Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes

I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010.    Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past,  I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another.   This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases.    I am proud of that.  I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.

Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom,  Terri Horman.   Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey.    Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child.    There are dozens of sources,  collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.

Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did.  I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping.  Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode.    When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her,   I most certainly respected that.  I still do.

While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure,   I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth.  There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions.     Not what I signed on for.   A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience.   He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.

I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil.   I appreciate your patience and your understanding.   Feel free to discuss the show below.


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  1. T. Ruth says:


    I don’t recall seeing this 2008 article in the past, but what’s too bad is there is no longer a link to the reporter’s former link “Teacher Misconduct by the Numbers”. =page not found now. same is true to the “growing backlog” link. Wonder if there’s a cache out there somewhere.

    Thought maybe this was it, but this information was compiled 2004-2009, so it couldn’t be what the O was linking to in 2008:


  2. T. Ruth says:

    Backlog of teacher misconduct cases swamps commission

    December 01, 2009 at 7:00 AM, updated December 01, 2009 at 3:51 PM


    Hmmm, wonder if certain teacher(s) were getting nervous in light of all this investigation into teacher discipline (or lack thereof) that was apparently going strong in 2008 and through 2009. ??????

  3. Rose says:

    @TRuth, Blink. Iirc the article said in OR the process to waive in takes 4-5 months. He went in knowing that and it’s not unusual. He’s OK if he affiliates with inState Counsel, such as a lawyer in his office or PPS’ outside firm. like Eldon’s mantle draped Morris Dees. He’s also ok in Board meetings if the other PPS attorney sat in with him. He was brought in to clean up, had a history of that. My guess is he left bcz the Board didn’t like what they were hearing from him, were recalcitrant, and bought him out, thus his silence — after all he can’t divulge atty – client (PPS) advice. Anyway, here’s the rub I bet. When he was hired, the Board stopped a dine contract with PPS’ usual outside which houses former counsel Jolleen Patterson, said they wanted a wider net. Likely he played some role in that, so knives were out from tgat politically powerful firm. And I read something about the ne plus uktra political firm Stoel Rives giving interim coverage. Whatever, It’s clear the pps board chair has her favorite corporate lawyers, ones nike has used, who she’s already thrown pps business to. Doubtless he differed with her going forward.

    All of that is true Rose, wrt to “permissions” given a lawyer pending admission to the State bar who is licensed in another state. That said, there is no such thing as reciprocity for counsel as their is in some positions of licensure and to my knowledge to “act” as lead counsel ( this had to have been the case to “appear” on behalf of a party as a representative” for the most part, this is to insure rules/regs/responsibilities and ethics burdens which differ from State to state. A few months ago there was a non-lawyer practicing in my jurisdiction as an attorney (estates and wills, not my area) who was prosecuted. She literally faked her creds and when she was called out, tried to produce fake docs. That said, according to that article, he was in an acting capacity in June, but did not seek admission until September (if true) that is a prime example of oversight or lack of knowledge of the law in Oregon- not a way to start out and if he was working “under” someone else, it becomes his/her duty to introduce that situation to the court in a transparent way and the court can allow it, oversee it, or limit the individuals participation.

    All of that said, to my knowledge, any lawyer with pending admission under similar circumstances still must present that their license is in good standing in the jurisdiction they are licensed before they can be considered in another, regardless. If it is not, they must divulge that on their application and then it is up to the disciplinary committee to admit the application to go forward or not. At the heart of the matter here, we are talking about lawyers policing lawyers, you may be 100% right that the issue is one of dissatisfaction with performance or buyers remorse as it were, but this individual is responsible for leaving himself open to it, imo.


  4. Rose says:

    dine above = final.
    No doubt in my mind Blink the Board let him go bcz they refused to effect change advice he prescribed, including which outside firm to hire. Chair has her lawyer favs & their associates. Bar = a mere excuse for public. This is done all the time:inhouse school attorneys move State to State. Attorneys in their office affiliate til they are waived in. Portlanders better worry why O reporters continue to serve as arms of politicians lije Brim.

  5. Rose says:

    If I were him I’d stay in Oregon and build a lucrative
    practice filing tort suits against PPS.

    lol, ikr. If you are a non-practicing attorney and that is known to your agency of record, are you held to privilege and work product? An interesting argument to ponder to Riddel?

  6. T. Ruth says:

    Wishing you all a happy Thanksgiving and much to be thankful for.

    And to you and yours, thank you T.Ruth.
    And for anyone in a situation where they may not be able to consider what they have to be thankful for, I ask that God’s grace be with them until they do.

  7. A Texas Grandfather says:

    T. Ruth

    What you have posted for Oregon is also true in all states across the country. There are people who get teachers licenses for the express purpose of being around children and youths so they can exploit them.

    The states are going to have to do a better background check on all persons applying for a teaching certificate. This keep it quiet or “pass the trash” mantra by districts must be stopped by state law. The law must include punishment for all those who enable this “pass the trash” activity. This would include principals and other school district administrators.

    One of the things that continues to astonish me (forgive me as I state the obvious) is that a 7 year old was abducted from an elementary school in this jurisdiction, the contributed negligence to his duty of care was admitted in a deposition, the case remains unsolved and the child is apparently lost in perpetuity yet the subject is non existent in the maelstrom. How is that possible? Wth does this little boy have to do to get the attention of those in a position of power who “oversee” those entrusted in his care? How is this incident not the poster child?

    They prosecuted a SPED assistant who openly complained about the prospect of the toileting policy and was forced to comply (via union status apparently) and was then accused by a child (mother) who did not possess the basic means of communication outside of yes or no and very likely will be paying hundreds of thousands in restitution for their mess following his acquittal. Not just any acquittal, a bench trial where on the record the Judge chastised the State and its detective. Wth goes on here in plain sight?


    This is only one of the problems facing our public school systems. The other major problem is a lack of rigor in teaching a subject and grading systems that prevent a classroom teacher from giving a failing grade to those who cannot pass a test or a class.

  8. Rose says:

    byline Bethany Barnes “As he told us: ‘The focus should be on the children’s education. The focus should not be on the law, except to the extent that it furthers their education.’”

    The quote attributed to Harris—put childrens’ education first—is antithetical to the institutional role of a school system ed attorney as exemplified by the members of:
    First & foremost their job is to save their Districts money. That means preventive advice & action to avert suits, management of active litigation, & especially by preventing children from entering special ed legal status or once there, tapping costly spec ed resources. Harris was the District’s attorney, not the childrens’. I bet that outside firm Miller Nash, who was in danger of losing their outside contract, after rubbing shoulders beside him in Court, got to Brim with negative stories: this guy will cost you money down the road. Harris, on the other hand, apparently applied out shortly after the new Supt took over.

    Slovic does another political hatchet job, this time on Harris..
    Who connected her to an “ethics” lawyer in TN for a headline quote? . I thought Underhill’s wife was THE ethics lawyer wrt opining on other lawyers’ ethics in Oregon.

    Slovic didn’t identify her own conflict of interest in her headline article: she was negotiating withHarris/PPS to settle her own litigation:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2017/11/portland_public_schools_new_to.amp now she gets a hometown girl. Large, the GC of Kindercare. Likely with friends at Stoel.

    suggestive of how Slovic alit on her Memphis “ethics expert”
    from his bio:
    “He has litigated several key media access cases, including a Tennessee Supreme Court case extending access under the Tennessee Public Records Act to records of private companies that are the “functional equivalent” of government (Memphis Publishing Co. v. Cherokee Children & Family Services, Inc., 87 S.W.3d 67 (Tenn. 2002)) and expressly confirming the constitutional right of public and press access to attend civil trials (King v. Jowers, 12 S.W. 3d 410 (Tenn. 1999)).”

  9. Rose says:

    ot how to handle a firing as a special ed administrator(she’s been
    going to conferences): file a quick unrelated Federal whistleblower
    complaint about a nobid contract. http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2017/11/texas_fires_special_education.html
    I submit as a new hire at the State level, she knew nothing about the contract in question,
    or its merits. Any old port in a storm.
    Which brings to mind, why did NO employee of Skyline School or PPS file a Federal DOE whistleblower complaint about the many of PPS’ own Federally-compliant policies and procedures routinely not followed District-wide, serving as enablers to child abduction from schoolpremises?

  10. Rose says:

    ot @ATG It looks like the Texas Ed Comm hired as Dir of SPED for the State a lady from a position where she was hired by her husband in a town with only 1200 students & 3 schools in all, in an exceptionally low performing State, and in 2013 582 persons signed a petition online asking the School Board to fire that husband. And he’s still there. The Texas Ed Commissioners deserve to pay everything she can take them for imo. (except the children lose)

    Agreed. She is likely just going through the EEOC process for right to sue status. I am equally put off by the response from the TEA- “had they known about allegations”- seriously, that’s your public statement re a pending law suit that has yet to be defended? If they/she are found liable or information is gleaned that allows her to be disqualified from her position that’s one thing, but to cart blanche respond without investigation or due process does not look well upon their administration. That commentary insinuates that she withheld material information and if that is untrue (as she says through counsel) they can be adding defamation to a title VII action. Wth?

  11. Rpse says:

    @ Blink, every State differs; I believe this commenter to the Oregonian has the OR rule right. Good thing Harris is granting no interviews and making himself a public figure. Imo he has a great defamation suit against Brim-Edwards for her public comment and barring him from Board mtgs (clearly permitted below to give advice to your employer while the reciprocity appl is pending; clearly permitted to appear in Court with inhouse or outside counsel present)). Also against Slovic and her ethics prophet from Memphis, whilst she failed to disclose he functioned as her adversary in a pending suit settlement. Not against PPS because their spokesman, however disliked by K Sordyl, stated the truth about his professional practice obligations.
    ot BTW if Guerro from San Fran the new Supt had kept this inhouse lead rather than dismiss him as soon as he entered on duty in October because he wanted his own team, it would be a different day in my opinion for children and education in PPS. It is unclear to me if Guerro held his last job due to any instructional expertise or merely due to his “equity” hat. I predict he’ll be gone in five years with the schools still failing children.

    1 day ago

    Since the O re-popped this story, I’ll re-pop my comment:

    The Supreme Court may adopt rules …that allow attorneys who have not been admitted to practice law in this state to practice law in Oregon on a temporary basis.

    And the rules say:

    A lawyer admitted in another jurisdiction…may provide legal services on a temporary basis in this jurisdiction that: (1) are undertaken in association with a lawyer who is admitted to practice in this jurisdiction and who actively participates in the matter; or (5) are provided to the lawyer’s employer or its organizational affiliates and are not services for which the forum requires pro hac vice admission.
    Oregon Rules of Professional Conduct 5.5(c)

    Right, thank you Rose, so Or is a reciprocity state- which makes that article (once again) devoid of fact checking. As I also pointed out, in my jurisdiction if an appearance is entered (always if atty is appearing on behalf of their org)in open court, they must appear pro hac vice – as per the rules of the court. That pro hac vice application would require the requestor to include the pending reciprocity app status.

  12. Rpse says:

    ot Blink, “Reciprocity” is the technical term for the application for OR Bar Admission when one has passed the Bar exam and is in good standing in another State. Pennsylvania is a Reciprocity State for Oregon.
    And this is simple information any reporter in Portland like Slovic or Barnes should have known or checked. Brim=Edwards certainly knew along with her cronies who have represented Nike and now do outside project work for her.

    Yup, thank you Rose. So I guess we can assume who leaked the details of the matter- as seems to be the case for any reporting in this area. Is this the side effect of payment by click bait? Looks that way to me.

  13. Rpse says:

    It is sad to look back and see none of the Portland-based reporters could be trusted for any fact and were generally working hand in glove with the government-employed purveyors of misinformation and coverup.

  14. A Texas Grandfather says:

    There are zero states that are exempt from my comments about poor policies and associated bad behaviors regarding school systems. They all do it. The only question is when will the “people” of a community get over their awe of the educational complex who deliberately push parents aside to prevent them from cleaning up the multiple messes the educators have created? This includes union rules and participation in the bad behaviors.

    IMO unions should not be allowed in a government operation of any type. All they do is create more costs to any school system, local, county and federal government operations.

    Yes Rose, the Texas Education Agency (TEA) is no different than any other state education agency. It too makes rules that have no basis in common sense and allow foolish people to exist in their organization.

  15. Rose says:

    @ATG. I beg to politely differ. Her 20 yr Supt tenure changed a State from backwoods, subpar, to national leadership. https://www.kennedykrieger.org/professional-training/training-disciplines/special-education-fellowship/leadership/nancy-grasmick-phd
    One of the first things in the 90s her agency did was put out a very detailed manual proscribed for local districts on best policies and practices for special education students which was very pointed and practical, for the employee educators in local Districts to follow. ie, It listed accommodations in great detail with proscribed iep wording. A parent in an iep mtg only had to haul out the State manual for iep teams and point to the verbage to be copied into an iep where appropriate. She had Districts mandated to offer high school State tests in Kurzweil format by the early 2000s. Statewide k-12 curriculum got standardized.

    She was a creation of, and empowered by her Governors, and imo the buck always stops with the Governor in State Ed agencies.

    I bet in the coverup of the perpetrator in Kyron’s case by multiple LE & judicial agencies and PPS, the Governor of Oregon could have intervened, called for transparency (not his strong point), and demanded all known facts from pps/mcso/da be disseminated to the public and the investigation be audited by an outside LE agency like the FBI. Instead in the year 2010 OR had well intended but myopic narcissists in leadership from the Gov to the DA to the Sheriff to the Police Chief to the Supt to the Mayor.

  16. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Rose,are you saying that the work of the educator in Maryland who standardized a lot of process and procedures for the state invalidates my generalization about state education agencies. If all the things reported in the link are true, why do so many of the schools in the Baltimore area have failing records?

    The guy that just retired from conducting our Community Band was a music teacher in the Maryland school systems for many years. The stories he tells of poor buildings and unprepared students makes me question the truthfulness of the article in your link.

    A book of quality standards is a fine thing if it is applied. Otherwise it is just words without action. This is similar to the ISO 9000 standards which is nothing more than a prescribed historical trail of actions that must be taken to achieve a certain level of quality. ISO standards also provide for an audit to determine if all the steps for quality are being followed.

    We will just have to disagree on this one.

  17. Rose says:

    The nice thing about this site is agreeable disagreements are encouraged; they lead to progress. Would that such disagreements occurred professionally and overtly within mcso. I believe I was saying one cannot generalize about all States and their Supts of Ed & Admin, nor rely on a single anecdotal source who’s maybe visiting from afar. A few anecdotal sources inspired a lynch mob against Terri Horman for example.

  18. Rose says:

    Wondered how Kaine was celebrating Kristmas 4 Kyron this year. More fundraising at the Loblolly tree farm event? he is even more direct. Below the Facebook ad & mailing address, one finds the “Kyron Awareness Fund”. Click on it to learn more about his Dad’s Kyron-specific Awareness activities. Oops, goes directly to Paypal. Heart of the matter imo. http://www.bringkyronhome.org Yesterday I read about a Dad who found his abducted day in MX. He hired a great PI.

  19. T. Ruth says:

    @Rpse says:
    November 24, 2017 at 10:01 am

    I guess then, what matters in this scenario is what advice Harris gave and to whom, and further, whether or not it was acted upon. ??

  20. T. Ruth says:

    But, I guess what really blows me away about the whole thing with Harris, is why wasn’t the school board informed that he had no license to practice here in the first place?

    Assuming they were not. I remain unclear as to what proof there is he did not follow the rules set forth by the Or bar and its reciprocity status- but I admit that is one heck of a weird reason to resign (if true). I can’t help feeling like Rose may be into something as far as performance being the real issue?

  21. erose says:

    o/t A story title befitting Kyron. The struggle and commitment of the families of the missing in a country that doesn’t even have a missing persons registry really puts into perspective what a family can do even with limited resources.

    Not Dead. Not Alive. Just Gone.

    I feel like I will have goosebumps for days erose. Kyron Horman was 7 years old seven years ago- where is the resolve like these poor people with NO resources?

  22. erose says:

    Blink, Thank you for the input and information. As I read the NISMART bulletin, I couldn’t help but want more information on the 1% and agree as you ended your comment with why the facts aren’t driving Kyron’s investigation.

    Your comment to Rose as finding the significance in the profile of a compulsive worker who offends at a time when he is unemployed is fascinating and should narrow the field of suspects for MCSO.

    I struggle with this; SZ must have been a stranger to EM or she would be able to ID him, but why would a teacher let a student leave the building with a stranger? Am I correct that she had the impression (somehow, but how?) that she let Kyron go with a “safe” person.

    That is my presumption erose. That said, I don’t know the mans identity and I have every reason to believe neither does MCSO. So there’s that. I know it was not Terri Horman.

    erose says:
    November 19, 2017 at 6:35 am

  23. erose says:

    Exactly. I wanted to leave my comment at that, but frankly the resolve was never there, given the truth was ignored and subverted from the start.

    erose says:
    November 26, 2017 at 6:16 pm


    Kyron Horman was 7 years old seven years ago- where is the resolve like these poor people with NO resources?

    I can forgive honest error everyday of the week- I do expect persons tasked with the responsibility of finding this child that they act in his interests first and learn from those errors, not try to spin them or protect their disclosure. There is no shame in turning this case over to the FBI. If (GOD forbid) I ever have a cancerous tumor I am not going to visit my dentist to remove it. It’s just about putting ego aside and realizing that in over 7 years if your track isn’t working, this child needs come first.

    I will never fault a parent for doing all they can to avoid what I believe will be the news no parent ever wants to hear. What I fault them for is failing to identify that if true, a very dangerous predator is free to hurt another.
    I cannot reconcile that. I cannot reconcile that if you believe your child is being held by someone willing to abduct them in public that to date has not been identified nor connected to Terri, that you could be content to let this investigation linger with zero progress. Be clear, there has not been in advancement in this case in 7 years.

    I have worked to successful conclusion several cases directly with parents missing their children. In one case, I guess, it could be argued that the individual was maybe not your best example of the law abiding type, or say, lacked the characteristics to force LE to up their game to locate them, and the fervor with which those parents doggedly pursued their kids case to conclusion stays with me always. It is only matched in intensity by the pain of their loss at the moment of “truth” in these cases, victim recovery. My long-winded point- never, at any time, has any parent I have every encountered or cases I have studied along the way produced a single parent intent to believe simply “missing” was something they could live with, passively. I do not understand.

  24. Rose says:

    @erose. A lady her age with her competence difficulties (as inferred from school test scores of grades just above hers in 2011 & before) might have recognized him as having been seen by hee before in Skyline but have been unable to id him securely enough to know a name or point him out on a witness stand with assurance, imo.

  25. Rose says:

    quite a moving story erose https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/not-dead-not-alive-just-gone/ar-BBFkNmg?li=AA4Zpp&ocid=spartanntp
    Onedoubts criminal cartels stop at the border, or would be deterred by any wall. That $ should be used to beef up federal and local LE agencies (not for hardware like tanks and shields & AK whatevers & their maintenance) but to hire the highly intelligent with adeeuate remuneration and to train them to track and disable extensive cartel networks

  26. Rpse says:

    One is reminded why Brim, herself a Pol’s wife, ran for School Board (Chair a given). That’s teach those Board members to insist on an Educator as Interim. Alas for the days Anthony expected to be the next Chair. One can see why she chose an “equity” specialist as Supt. She’ll handle everything else.
    With Slovic’s hatchet job on Harris, reaching all the way to Memphis for a quote headline, one is reminded of:
    Before his time, PPS sued Slovic and Sordyl (parent), but Harris was in charge of “settling” that suit. So, it stands to reason, Slovic not only didn’t disclose her conflict of interest in her article, but she didn’t disclose her codefendant’s–the “parent who filed an unsubstantiated complaint” with the OR Bar in this article was Sordyl. http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/379435-266408-expert-says-pps-general-counsels-lack-of-license-is-a-problem

  27. Rpse says:

    T. Ruth says:
    November 26, 2017 at 3:53 pm
    But, I guess what really blows me away about the whole thing with Harris, is why wasn’t the school board informed that he had no license to practice here in the first place?
    http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/ _____________________________
    TRuth, he had a license and was in good standing, in Pennsylvania, with whom Oregon has Reciprocity. All he had to do was file the right papers, which he did about Sept l. It probably took him that long in the new job to get his proofs from the PA Bar.

    Brim-Edwards knew this; no “teaching” by Interim Supt necessary. She is PR for an international corp, Nike. When Nike hires a new General Counsel, or inhouse attorney, most likely it’s from another State. That person moves to town and fully counsels the Board and Executive Leadership on legal matters, handles the caseload, works with outside attorneys, and so on for the 4-5 months it takes to get the OR license. The only time he need associate with an OR licensed attorney is if he appears before a Judge in the course of litigation. And most GC’s don’t need to do that, an underling does. But, if he did, he’d walk in with a lawyer in his own shop. Or the contracted outside counsel. This is done in Corporations and government entities all the time. No one had to “inform” the Board when a Pennsylvanian in good standing with the Penn Bar was hired. Allegedly (Sordyl commented somewhere) when the new Supt entered on duty in October, he told Harris he wanted to hire his own man. Likely Harris had something to do with Brim postponing the vote on the $4 Million yearly contract with Miller Nash. I bet Harris wanted to broaden the Board’s horizon on that.

  28. Rpse says:

    “never, at any time, has any parent I have every encountered or cases I have studied along the way produced a single parent intent to believe simply “missing” was something they could live with, passively. I do not understand. B”
    Kaine is neither uneducated nor stupid. So, from the day he chose to incorporated a 501-c-3 with “tax deductability” to encourage donations rather than a gofundme account as a parent above did to hire a PI, he knew Kyron was dead. That is because he knew with that entity (in order to retain 501-c-3 status) no money could be expended specifically to find Kyron–no PI, no billboards, no radio spots, etc. It could only be spent generally on all missing kids, or a generalized number of them of whom Kyron might be one, and on things that the “identikit” to offer parents of the non-missing something. If he wanted financial resources to Find Kyron, a nontax deductive account was the only option. So in advertising this as a “Kyron awareness fund” he is in fact misleading the donor public. yes they get a tax deduction, but he cannot spend it on anything that advances finding Kyron specifically. Why then appear monthly at all these shows? He has to to do those identikits and so on to keep his tax deductability status. He has to have some regular activities that benefit the missing, or might go missing, generally. And, it is a way to recasting his public character from steroid purchaser, womanizer, adulterer, etc to nobleman. Important should his custody ever be reviewed.
    This is once again a Facebook page for Kyron’s car show last August that has links to two picturetakers. I can’t view them as I don’t have Facebook, and one has to sign in to the photographer’s Facebooks to view the pics. I remember when there were lots of Kristen taken at the event. The Facebook did comment they raised $9000 at the car show in 2015, and $12,000 in 2016. Wonder what in 2017? That’ll buy a lot of identikits (that people could de free at the police station or other community events) and rubber bands for the wrist.

  29. Rpse says:

    “never, at any time, has any parent I have every encountered or cases I have studied along the way produced a single parent intent to believe simply “missing” was something they could live with, passively. I do not understand.
    B ”

    There is no sign with Desiree that she believes Kyron dead, as there is with Kaine chosing a donor vehicle he cannot spend on finding his son. However,
    the passivity after abduction is the same personality trait before abduction. I am not speaking to the early years when she parked Kryon with Terri and Kaine, but to the period after her remarriage. She did not file with the Court to modify custody. She could have requested at a minimum joint custody with no significant change in residence, but with more significant periods of visitation. Kyron would likely have told the Judge or a Court assigned custody evaluator he would like that. She made no legal move. She apparently spent her energy being resentful at Kaine rather than taking effective custody action, same as after the abduction–spending her energy stalking Terri while being estranged from Kaine. That’s hardly passive. It was to Kyron himself that before and after she has been passive in taking effective action to achieve her goals of being with, now finding, him.
    (Sorry for all the typos and grammatical errors in typing above.)

  30. erose says:

    o/t Rose, I see your point, spend the money on LE agencies. I also have folks that tell me good fences make good neighbors, and they want to spend the money on the wall. I empathize with the people in Mexico, like the ones in the article. At times I think we should bite the bullet and take them on as a U S territory so they would be subject to our federal laws. Cha-ching. My ideas are rarely on the menu. Truth be told, that central American border would be a lot easier for our descendants to defend.

  31. Rose says:

    I see typos last night extended to my name. Sorry Blink.

    lol, its all good Rose.

  32. Rose says:

    Long ago Kaine established the Bring Kyron Home Foundation as a memorial to his son to benefit other children. That is the purpose of his 501c3. He cannot use it to offer a reward for information for Kyron, to erect billboards, to hire a PI. Therefore, the very title of the Foundation misleads the donor public. In my opinion his passivity is due to his belief Kyron is deceased and that belief dates back to the incorporation of this Foundation. Otherwise, it would have been a gofundme or other vehicle that could benefit Bringing Kyron Home directly through his efforts assisted by others.

  33. T. Ruth says:

    @erose says:
    November 26, 2017 at 6:16 pm

    You link today says “page gone”. I found the article here:


    I assume this is it ?

  34. T. Ruth says:

    School board chair Julia Brim-Edwards only learned about Harris’ lack of credential recently. She asked this month that Harris not sit with the board or advise them during meetings until he became an Oregon Bar member.

    “The lack of licensing was a surprise and now that I am aware of it, it wouldn’t be appropriate to continue to have the board advised at a public meeting by an individual who is not currently licensed to practice in Oregon,” Brim-Edwards wrote to the district’s director of human resources. “This request is not based on any particular issue with the individual in the (general counsel) role, rather it is a matter of professional best practice.”


    Brim said she didn’t know about his lack of an OR license until this month. Isn’t the board the one who approves the budget for said attorneys?

  35. Rose says:

    @ TRuth. In my opinion Brim is being disingenous, posing for the public. Furthermore imo she knows full well under the OR Rules his job is in fact to render legal counsel to his organization/employer whilst his Reciprocity appl is pending, aka The Board) whether in public or private. Imo she’s following in her husband’s footsteps and running on this term’s record for her next office (likely concommitant with a Nike retirement) whether in the State or Federal legislature. She is full of it.

  36. erose says:

    Thank you TRuth, that’s the one.

  37. T. Ruth says:

    O/T sorta’



    Dressed perpetually in blue coveralls and bearing a stern facial expression, Mildred wears her anguish like a protective armor plate. She is fearsome and gives no quarter to anyone offering sympathy — not the police chief who has late-stage cancer, nor the priest who comes offering compassion. To her way of thinking, all who have not participated in solving her daughter’s murder are culpable for the crime. McDormand embodies a tenacious but flawed character who does not fear unlikability, and in doing so, creates one of the most memorable personages in her incomparable career (one that includes Fargo’s Marge Gunderson and the titular Olive Kitteridge).


    I can’t wait to see this movie. I wish the parents of Kyron Horman, any one of the 4, and/or any aunt, uncle, grandparent would pool together the funds to erect billboards like these, (and most effectively prior to any re-election of any of those involved in the unsolved case of a missing little boy, abducted from a public school no less). Perhaps that would be considered a Kyron Horman awareness outlet, and KH & DY could pool their monies received from their contributors? Some examples:




    Just simple words like in the movie. I think any of these would be far more effective than DY’s billboard which simply claimed she’d never stop looking….remember those? Absolutely useless, no phone # to call no description of where and when abducted, nada:


    Maybe billboards like in the movie could encourage some new action in Kyron’s case. Just a wishful thinking.

  38. Rose says:

    @TRuth. Thank you for movie info. Wrt “….billboard which simply claimed she’d never stop looking….remember those? ” Early indicia of narcissistic whatever. Self-focused & absorbed.

  39. Rose says:

    Kyron was the spitting image of Desiree. Did you perhaps ask Terri, Blink, when Kyron was unfolding with “defects” (vision, school behavior, ?), whether Kaine had ever wondered if Kyron was his genetically? (Meaning if not, what would he do? His personality sure wouldn’t want to support him.)

    I did not. I have never encountered any concerns about that whatsoever,from any party.

  40. erose says:

    TRuth, I saw that, too. You’re so right. I remember Kyron had those multi-lingual billboards early on. Then there was this:


    Erected by Kyron’s mother Desiree Young, and donated by Athey Creek Christian Fellowship in Wilsonville and the billboard company, the signs have a two-fold purpose.

    They aim to keep the case fresh in the minds of locals, but also to play on the conscience of stepmother Terri Moulton Horman – a suspect in the ongoing disappearance case.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1391725/One-year-mother-missing-Kyron-Horman-given-erecting-billboards-promise-I-you.html#ixzz4zv65c4Ce

    And you can see where it went off the rails when it says “to play on the conscience of Terri Moulton Horman.”

    I love and support your #’s. Remember those posters that were attributed to TH posting around Roseburg, that said Kyron was last seen at Skyline with a man, or something like that, I think that needs a #, too. # ANYONE WITH INFORMATION ABOUT THE MAN WHO KYRON HORMAN WAS LAST SEEN WITH CONTACT THE FBI. I swear, anyone that doesn’t read here or in between the lines has no idea that happened.

    T. Ruth says:
    November 29, 2017 at 2:32 pm

  41. erose says:

    BOLO, just in case the bio-dad is wrong and this little girl was kidnapped.


    I have no idea why, but comments I moderated Fri morning apparently did not moderate (timed out on my end I assume) so I apologize for that.

  42. oldladysmith says:

    Rose 11-30 What a great angle!! I always hope that detectives will leave no stone unturned when it comes to the family all 4

  43. Rose says:

    goes to professionalism & character of mcso/da:
    “ Both the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and the Multnomah County District Attorney stepped aside to prevent a potential conflict of interest.”
    While mcso was correct to kick the investigation to wcso, there was no reason other than political for mcso/da to kick charging the deputy over first to wc-da and then to OR DOJ, leaving prosecution open to Q for months.But Underhill does, at election time, go on a read side by side with Reese to school children for media pics.
    Deputy’s acts were off duty; victim is clear cut; no reason Underhill did not promply bring charges against the deputy other than it is Reese’s election season. some group with money or political power pulls Underhill’s strings to deflect or cover up sins of elected Dems.

  44. Rose says:

    to both. great hash tags. And David Fahrenthold WAPO has demonstrated Twitter can be an effective investigative tool when there are specific questions reaching an observing community.

  45. Rose says:

    have you an opinion on missing NC 3 year old?
    That LE seems wholly focused on “search.”

    Yes, the FBI believes she is deceased as do I.
    This is an example of how well a local jurisdiction can do to have the FBI lead the case when the time is of the essence and so dire-

    There will be a great deal of information that comes out of this case when an arrest is made, or she is recovered, whichever comes first that was immediately accessed. I am referring to usage of actual cell tower data, possible LPR, possible surreptitious surveillance techniques and forensic tests.

    I wish to be clear that we do not cast dispersion based on people’s reactions or non-evidence, but there are some inferences you can draw from the actions of the investigation, unfortunately for this sweet little girl.

    CYS removed all three children last year pending an investigation of an incident and placed with their father- its my understanding he has not seen his kids since then, following their return. Why oh why do we not assign GAL’s for children when the court gets involved with custodial issues? I watched the interview of the CPS worker assigned to the Powell boys for the first time the other day- I freely admit this work REQUIRES DE-sensitization, that went out the window. She is a broken human being for life.


  46. Rose says:

    Imo the reason new Supt fired GC in October is noe apparent. O Reporter
    just wrote him up for hiring a Supt fired by his last district after a few mos on the job.

    O got the point of the story wrong (man’s scandel past)

    The point was it was a 3 month NO BID project for a massive task
    (so it will be extended): rewriting Insteuction, Curriculum (& one
    presumes Training to same) K-12 for PPS. No one is that
    much of a one man expert, but even if he were,
    NO BID is tthe troubled with so many experts nationally.
    (He also used the words “balanced literacy” a discredited
    curriculum in reading-challenged schools). A 3-month
    contract term probably speaks it thru PPS no bid rules.
    Harris probably told new Supt you have to write an rfp &
    put it out for bids. Thus new Supt needed a GC who “shared
    his vision.” (and corruption with handouts to personalfriends).
    Gotta say this failing Mult school board needs a State
    takeover like Grassmick did to the Baltimore City SD,
    but clearly Kitz-Brown did not appoint & empower a
    competent State Supt. (the type of State
    Supt who could’ve called for an OSP
    investigation into the school day abduction.)

  47. Rose says:

    speaks should be “squeaks” above

  48. Rose says:

    OT Getting real disappinted in O’s Barnes. She not only failed to focus on the NoBid contract rather than its awardee’s scandels past, she didn’t ask the Q: Is this your planned hire in 3 mos for the new Deputy Supt position you’ve told the Board you want to create? If not, how do you plan to advertise the job and fill it, or will you also pick an old friend from SFPS? Since he’s contracting out a Curriculum/Instruction Map, that answers whether he knows anything more than “equity.” Only he doesn’t know that bcz he’s already stiffed both the highly gifted and special ed pops, tho he apologized. Apparently his equity was raced-based. I’ve been wondering what C Smith is doing in retirement tho haven’t found it, bcz I’ve been wondering why the ruling political class so covered for her and PPS’ lack of accountability in 2010.

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