Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes

I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010.    Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past,  I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another.   This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases.    I am proud of that.  I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.

Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom,  Terri Horman.   Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey.    Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child.    There are dozens of sources,  collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.

Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did.  I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping.  Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode.    When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her,   I most certainly respected that.  I still do.

While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure,   I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth.  There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions.     Not what I signed on for.   A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience.   He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.

I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil.   I appreciate your patience and your understanding.   Feel free to discuss the show below.

 

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  1. erose says:

    Would EM know all the teachers? If a teacher was involved he/she would have to have had an accomplice, right?

    She was described as “close” and “tight” with Porter to me by some parents, but I would also have to disclose that opinion may be biased considering they pulled their children- I can’t say I have ever seen any evidence that either teacher was “involved”- but I can also say I am confident that angle has never been excluded investigatively as a protocol matter.
    B

  2. erose says:

    Cindy, Are you saying this happened to a target specific to Kyron’s case?

    Cindy says:
    December 20, 2017 at 6:29 pm
    snip>
    I was told a few years back that without the target’s computer there was nothing the FBI could do. Keep in mind they never pursued a search warrant and let the request for investigation die.
    I still think Kyron’s abductor may have a link to this a pedophile with a kiddie porn habit.

  3. T. Ruth says:

    Rose says:
    December 20, 2017 at 12:03 pm

    Blink says:

    ” Kaine Horman’s work computer, located at the Horman residence, was never taken into evidence for forensic processing.”

    **************
    That is unbelievable. But if true, then I’m guessing neither were TY’s or DY’s computers searched either.

  4. T. Ruth says:

    Rose says:
    December 20, 2017 at 12:03 pm

    Blink says:

    ” Kaine Horman’s work computer, located at the Horman residence, was never taken into evidence for forensic processing.”

    **************
    That is unbelievable. But if true, then I’m guessing neither were TY’s or DY’s computers searched either. All of Kyron’s immediate relationships should have been searched, including teachers. Geeze.

    It is true. While Kyron was missing, Kaine was betting $$ on sports teams with the lead investigator at the time. He is/was on speed dial to MCSO then and now I have been told by multiple sources with definite inside knowledge.
    B

  5. T. Ruth says:

    Weird, I don’t know why that posted twice. Looks like it posted while I was still writing it.

  6. Rose says:

    “Kaine was betting $$ on sports teams with the lead investigator at the time”
    That lead investigator should be fired and lose his license to practice. But as
    the O points out, not in Oregon. Imo OSP is corrupt based on O article.
    One supposes Tony would view this as excuseable good ol boy behavior
    from mcso staff bcz Desiree still holds full faith in their laughable investigation.

    There is no doubt the “defense” of that behavior was to build rapport or gain trust, or whatever- to my knowledge that individual does not Possess the required Oregon Police certification credentials.
    B

  7. Rose says:

    I bet, due to Kaine’s association with Glenn A,
    he offered said investigator the tips & betting outlet,
    not vice versa. Imo like the steroids, the divorces & adulteries,
    the excising of mother from child completely (signif other
    is all good or all bad), this was another indicia of a
    personality disorder that may have placed K in harm’s way.
    Desiree sure sued the wrong household member.

  8. Rose says:

    Come to think of it, Desiree could’ve gotten investigation transferred to FBI lead easy peasy then. Just told mcso do it or I’ll sue the investigator & mcso for malfeasance & make this public (another mcso goodie for Sean Riddell). Kaine would’ve cooperated so Family Judge wouldn’t have found out prior to custody order. Needs also to be removed from mcda to State AG due to GJ antics and ADA’s tunnel vision direction the first year, ie of the sting, not that that office is much better.

  9. Rose says:

    “He is/was on speed dial to MCSO then and now” One gathered that from the lead investigator’s collusion with Rackner/Kaine for RO wording enabling Kaine’s removal of mother from baby k with Ex Parte Meisenheimer. Doesn’t explain the DA’s coverup for the investigator/Kaine. Case was in Heidi/Rees’ hands that weekend & its aftermath. Even if Terri did it and could be tried, mcso/da managed in year 1 to make it an untriable case due to creating defenses a first year litigator could drive a truck thru.

  10. Rose says:

    “Is sports betting legal in Oregon?
    Oregonians are technically allowed to bet on sports, but only through legally licensed businesses. Being that there are none, you cannot currently do so legally. In most states, the Internet is a place where you can legally wager on sports, but this is not the case in Oregon. They have banned sports gambling from being an option, and you are therefore relegated to not betting at all or doing so illegally. We do not condone breaking the law”
    http://www.sportsbettingoregon.com
    ——-
    K’s departure seemed professional—organized & planned.
    He knew where to park, enter,
    exit, the layout, where the young ones were, how to blend.
    One who engages in one type of betting may engage in others.
    mcso needed to investigate whether there
    was an unpaid gambling debt and a message was sent.

  11. Cindy says:

    Rose,
    This specific case did not involve Kyron. But, I am just putting it out there that sometimes, “there are bigger fish to fry” so pedophiles walk. That’s how they continue get away with their secret lives on the “dark net” and elsewhere for years and years. Totally disgusting and it needs targeted and stopped by those who have the forensic capabilities and desire to do so.

    rose says:
    December 21, 2017 at 8:56 am

    Cindy, Are you saying this happened to a target specific to Kyron’s case?

    Cindy says:
    December 20, 2017 at 6:29 pm
    snip>
    I was told a few years back that without the target’s computer there was nothing the FBI could do. Keep in mind they never pursued a search warrant and let the request for investigation die.
    I still think Kyron’s abductor may have a link to this a pedophile with a kiddie porn habit.

  12. Cindy says:

    Well, that is news that Kaine was betting on sports $$ with the lead investigator. Isn’t that a bit cozy?

    So, Kaine has a gambling problem??? Steroids??? Skirt chaser???

    Not persecuting the guy, but what else is he hiding?

    I probably worded that inartfully, the bet was with the LEA on a sports team, not with a bookie or by some other means.
    B

  13. Gwen says:

    T. Ruth says:
    December 21, 2017 at 12:08 pm

    Rose says:
    December 20, 2017 at 12:03 pm

    Blink says:

    ” Kaine Horman’s work computer, located at the Horman residence, was never taken into evidence for forensic processing.”

    **************
    That is unbelievable. But if true, then I’m guessing neither were TY’s or DY’s computers searched either. All of Kyron’s immediate relationships should have been searched, including teachers. Geeze.

    It is true. While Kyron was missing, Kaine was betting $$ on sports teams with the lead investigator at the time. He is/was on speed dial to MCSO then and now I have been told by multiple sources with definite inside knowledge.
    B

    **************************

    Let me pick my jaw up from the floor…

  14. Rose says:

    great client for Riddell: http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/382015-269472-multnomah-analysts-firing-clouds-future-of-disparities-tool
    First she gets herself fired by Staton for a racial disparity audit he didn’t like. Then she gets herself fired again by chief complainers Reese, judges, DA for the same & similar data being made public. She forgot she’s in CoverUp Mayberry USA.

  15. Rose says:

    that Varsity Bar owned by Anderson where Kaine’s pic had the ol arm thrown round his shoulders is in Scappoose on Hwy 30. Wasn’t that the golf course mcso search trg site road? & the 7-11 location? 30, that is.
    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/sports/football/09jets.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

  16. erose says:

    OMG! “Lead Investigator and Father of Missing Portland Child Betting on Sports” instead of “TH Must be Guilty of Killing Stepson Because She Went to Gym.” No links, you get my point.

    Indeed.
    B

  17. Rose says:

    In lobbing the bombshell, Blink, you failed to mention whether Kaine and the lead investigator cane out agead?
    ———
    I do not believe an mcso deputy would share his bookie with a bereaved father client.
    My opinion is the client would be more apt to sharehis bookie with an authority figure.
    Motive to share tips & resources with a deputy in a State where sports betting
    is illegal could only be to compromise him imo.

    It is my bad Rose, I clarified upthread- the bet was on a sports team, but between the investigator and Kaine. I am not going to publish any specifics, it is bound to end up a matter of potential evidence one day.
    B

  18. Rose says:

    I vaguely remember from Phil Stanford’s book the Mob controlled gambling in Sheriff-Mayor Shrunk’s day. This is the first whiff the Mob might have reached out tenacles thru a parent to mcso and/or have some interest in this abduction. If anyone, DA Shrunk knew in 2010 local Mob history and how it worked—how and why the abduction’s process & execution might signal Mob methods. If he had that suspicion, imo he would steer the investigation well away from the perpetrator, not wanting that can of bad PR for Portland worms to reopen in his clean city.

  19. Rose says:

    If a lead investigator broke OR law to gain trust or rapport, he’d better have gotten his supervisor Chief Deputy and Sheriff to sign off in writing to protect himself (from firing, prosecution — oops I forgot Frink-Shrunk were head of the class for lying & trickery, so no prosecution). No motive, however, to gain rapport with Kaine; he achievd that with the RO lies & guar-ahn-teed DA denial of his depo.

  20. Rose says:

    thank you for that clarification. In that case, the lead investigator was likely the one who suggested it. What parent under the microscope would decline? ..Kaine was building rapport imo. Still, illegal in Oregon apparently. LEA should’ve gotten Supv’s approval in writing.

  21. Rose says:

    “Cindy says:
    December 22, 2017 at 1:07 pm
    eRose,This specific case did not involve Kyron. But, I am just putting it out there that sometimes, “there are bigger fish to fry” so pedophiles walk.”

    Portland saw that withSam Adams—his election &
    coverup protection. imo for political interests.
    Go Green!

  22. Rose says:

    nice Comey tweet (don’t want to “advertise” the link):
    Dec 15
    “[T]he citizen’s safety lies in the prosecutor . . . who serves the law and not factional purposes” Robert H. Jackson (former Attorney General, Supreme Court Justice, chief Nuremberg prosecutor)”
    Multnomah missed that memo imo.

  23. Rose says:

    @Cindy. one case outgrowth fishies they were frying as a priority collaborating with FBI, Treasury, and DEA were that steroid-importing (from China) local cartel also laundering money thru enterprises such as a car dealorship.

  24. Rose says:

    re-reading Cindy’s quote, whoever (I assume an attorney or LE) said that to her (a pedophile whose computer contained porn was ignored due to “bigger fish”) was saying it would not be prosecuted most likely due to the need for the kiddie porn peruser not to be discredited as a testifying witness in a larger criminal prosecution. It would be like if kiddie porn were found on Flynn’s computer but if it were prosecuted, it would discredit him as a witness in the trial of whatever criminal (enterprise) testimony his plea had secured. So child porn would be covered up. The easy way for an investigator to handle that with someone squirrely when a computer exam was not necessary in the main case (as it would be say with Flynn) is just not to take the computer into evidence and examine it in the first place. Since the DEA was involved early on (the sting), we know there was at that time some larger case involving an ongoing DEA investigation as one agency which intersected with this abduction. Whatever case that was, apparently it was wiser to mishandle the Horman abduction (not examine computers forensically) than to find a specific perpetrator and his nexus to the school or family members.

  25. Rose says:

    Reasoning on, that dire need for Kaine as a testifying witness (presumeably against Terri—which is in line with the mcso RO quotes and the immediate focus on Terri only) which dictated his laptop computer in the home not be examined so nothing untoward was found, suggests the purpose of the abduction was to frame and try Terri from the gitgo—-from the event of the abduction itself. That would explain the abduction target, the timing (confusing school opening chaos at the opening bell) and locale (only Terri would be dropping him off) and organized preplanning. The perpetrator wanted to discredit her as a witness as to what? and how could he be sure mcso would go to any lengths to protect Kaine & his credibility as a testifying witness against her in a criminal prosecution.

  26. erose says:

    Rose, I would assume it was the steroids.

    I have always “had” to assume that given the agencies participation, but the content of that sting had absolutely no mention whatsoever of anything related to steroids. It has been my experience that those assets (bilingual and undercover field trained) can be used simply because there are no other resources within MCSO. We know the DEA agent testified at the first grand jury as did RSE, and we know that Federal charges came out of Kyron’s investigation linked directly to Kaine, who was never charged with anything although he admitted his use, and purchases since 2005 in his deposition.

    o/t: Happy Holidays to all my beloved BOC’ers and God Bless.
    B

  27. Rose says:

    Welcome Yule.

    2005 huh? Suppliers had a nice run until Terri reported them.
    Most thought Kyron her son. I kinda like that Clackamus police shop
    the investigations were touching for steroids with arrests.

  28. Rose says:

    erose, I googled DEA 2010. interesting article about DEA, see paragr 9
    https://www.propublica.org/article/dea-operation-played-hidden-role-in-the-disappearance-of-five-innocent-mexicans
    I don’t think dea’s odious behavior was confined to MX. Agents rotate.
    When I was in TX on the border in Nov, my MX (TX resident) host told me
    major war broke out in 2008 amongst competitive cartels, and once off-limits women &
    children were no longer in that war. Apparently, cartel violence is bad in Chihauhua even now, & automatic
    weapons are the norm. I went & looked at 2008-10 Clackamus police
    steroid articles too. More than one force was implicated.

    I guess the only thing I can really say with certainty is that the DEA was involved in the sting with RSE in the Kyron Horman investigation and a member of the DEA testified before the first grand jury. I have mentioned I have reviewed a copy of the transcript of the radio chatter, which went live and real time on an unsecured alternate channel. That’s all I am really prepared to discuss wrt their involvement at this time, except to say that it would literally be the first time I have ever encountered a DEA involved sting that did not include its own agents as radio monitors (handlers) so my guess is that the “DEA” agent was already working as some sort of regional quasi task force asset. It was definitely not the agent that went to the Horman residence in April 2009, or had subsequent contact with Kaine re the steroids issue.
    B

  29. Rose says:

    ot all the US articles on meth, heroin, opiods in 2008-15 that turn up on google told me the dea was ineffective broadly. Apparently the director (2007-15) was not well supervised and of course after sequestration, underfunded:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Leonhart

  30. Rose says:

    “ although he admitted his use, and purchases since 2005 in his deposition.”
    http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/#comments

    imo that right there merited a call to CPS.
    too bad Terri never took that route.

    All I can say is that is another reason why I cannot exclude that Kaine acted (in some capacity) as a CI following the April 2009 visit from a DEA agent. I cannot exclude (and to my knowledge neither can MCSO) that Kyron’s disappearance was not connected to either Kaine or Terri as a result, especially given the timing and the fallout of the other Federal investigation I reported years ago. What I can say with certainty is that Fed charges against associates of Kaine’s were filed as a direct result of Kyron’s investigation, with information gleaned from either or both parties AND he has never faced any. It is not my personal belief it is directly connected to Kyron’s abduction, but as I said, I have never been able to rule it out and no LE investigative protocol I am aware of has either.

    You remember that “typo” on the dissolution/custody stipulation order that required an amended order? First and last time I have ever seen any of its kind.
    B

  31. T. Ruth says:

    I hope you all enjoyed a great Christmas and wish you all a happy and healthy new year. May 2018 be the year there is a break in this child’s case.

    God willing, T.Ruth. And to you and yours dear friend.
    B

  32. Rose says:

    Imo some agents in Portland Field Office & Seattle Regional DEA Offices in 2010
    more likely than not themselves relied on steroids to muscle up.
    The agency was a mess, at least 2008-2015. Look at the pervasive
    use of agents in Brasil of cartels’ bribery via prostitutes, $, & drugs.

  33. T. Ruth says:

    You all got me thinking about Kaine’s deposition done by Houze. Within that depo, IIRC, Houze asks Kaine for his immediate supervisors name. For the life of me I couldn’t figure out why?

    So I woke up thinking this morning about DDS’s revelation of the cancelled checks that she and TMH delivered to Mr. Houze which were allegedly payments KH made to his roid supplier. Mr. Houze would certainly know the name that was on the checks. What if, that name (or at least one of the names) was the same name as KH’s immediate supervisor? And that is why Mr. Houze asked KH to verify his supervisor. What if, there is a cover-up that lies within something going on at INTEL? What if this cover-up is backed by the big money that lies within INTEL? Would this explain KH’s letter to INTEL legal as soon as his son went missing? Back somewhere in DAD’s missing threads, I posted an article that was an article about steroid use in the techno field and the increased employee performance therefrom. I’ve since looked for it again, and can’t find it anymore.

    This is the only reason I can think of for Houze asking him to name his immediate supervisor. Any other ideas? What is the old saying about Attorney’s never asking a question that they don’t already know the answer to?

  34. Rose says:

    Let’s look at whether or why “the Sting” made sense to the dea, fbi, or mcso.
    If Terri solicited RSE to kill Kaine, he did not accept. & He did not allege a solicitation to abduct Kyron. Therefore they did not dispatch him to her door to be paid for a contract accomplished. The Sting (RSE ask for $) could only have been to solicit “hush” money for her alleged prior speech to him wishing Kaine dead. Normally, a corruptable wife under scrutiny would not want that info to be reported to LE and might pay something. The problem with the sting was he was a scumbag who’d jumped her, and she rightly feared him on her property. It also served to distract Terri from Kaine’s abduction of her daughter. So imo the Sting was an attempt to get evidence of a prior solicitation to harm. That’s a pretty weak thread to hang a prosecution on.
    ——
    With all this talk of dea agents and their fluent Spanish & RSE, I’ve been wondering again why for RSE’ depo Kaine’s lawyer used someone he likely didn’t know in everyday life or professional circles? Not a DEA or PPB fluent hispanic speaker, but a female who ran in upper social class synagogue and local literari circles who spoke CASTILIAN accented Spanish?

    There was a distinct allegation made by Kaine (as told to him by LE) that was included in the FAPA file, and iirc, repeated the second year. Bottom line- a non-certified by Oregon Criminal Justice System MCSO “detective” who had recently been kicked off the CAT team was given carte blanche for 18 months in this case. His “tactics” under the color of law, only to be followed up by arguably worse “resources” are the reason that nearly 8 years and 2 grand juries later this case has not progressed whatsoever. Even given that agreed upon fact (don’t expect MCSO to do that publicly, but I can assure you they have off the record, to multiple sources) Terri Horman remains their de facto suspect.
    Kyron Horman remains missing.
    B

  35. Rose says:

    ot
    you’ll appreciate this Blink:
    “According to the report, a mutually beneficial relationship between the “Dr. Phil” show and McGraw’s own business interests — namely a digital treatment program available for purchase by treatment facilities — may have contributed to the alleged abuse. “
    Report: ‘Dr. Phil’ Show Gave Drugs, Alcohol To Guests With Addictions https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dr-phil-show-guests-addiction_us_5a455ee0e4b06d1621b7c6e1

    Shocker.
    B

  36. Rose says:

    bet in those confined 48 hrs, their hotel
    larder had the usual booze for even
    nonaddicts, loosening their tongues.
    Now I’m gonna have to go back and watch
    the case Phil’s with new eyes.

  37. Rose says:

    good thinking TRuth. I can’t think of any reason other than to demonstrate poor character. ie, his supv could
    have been female with all Kaine’s hx in that arena. It wouldn’t be to verify his work attendance or work habits or time in job. Better written records for that. Has to go to character as impacts custody.

  38. Rose says:

    that is, whatever the Supv would attest to had to be relevant
    to the litigated issue (custody), and imo her or his name was raised
    to let Kaine know the Supv’s depo would be taken too.

  39. Rose says:

    Blink, can you think of any reason why a mother with a kidnapped child would wait on AND endorse a local LEA for almost 8 years? I can’t. To me the only possiblity is she has something stronger to hide from family & friends than her love for her son, which she fears would be revealed. After all, she loves her husband, other son, & family and must live with them daily, and she did not live with Kyron for years before he was taken.

    Unfortunately I can. Colossal and paralyzing fear. At the heart of it, stripping all of the blame and misguided rage- its a smokescreen for coping. I do not believe there is anything “about” Desiree she wants to hide that supercedes the love of her missing son, she manifests her fear as hope.
    B

  40. Rose says:

    more than moxie, mad. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155947164957486&id=89727892485&__tn__=%2As%2As-R
    If this is how judges, commissioners, & corrections worked in Gricar’s day, if he was honest, it’s a wonder he didn’t disappear sooner. Apparently the incarcerated with hx of violence and guns did work release then. And recently, now.

    Certainly does nothing to narrow down the pool, does it?
    B

  41. T. Ruth says:

    FWIW

    It appears Bret Engel left Gearing-Rackner et.al., and is now with this firm: https://www.kelrun.com/news/

    I was just wondering when and why, it appears he’s been with them since at least 2016. (Washing his hands, IDK?)

  42. Rose says:

    Thank you for the responses. Desiree’s surrogate Facebook Admin, whose daily advertising garnered $50 for her gofundme last month, did not get the memo about advancing the investigation from fearful, coping as best she can, Mother. Admin continues to call out to “Terri and DeDe” to Tell her where Kyron is. Imo mother’s and father’s blame and misguided rage after almost 8 yrs is a reason that the case remains where it is. . After all, Kaine had O’Donnell on speed dial for those 18 mos. Not blaming the victims Kyron has not been found, but saying continuing as victims without a change in agency lead has been an affirmative choice.

    This case is a mess. No other way to say it. That said, Kyron Horman has a right to be put above any, and I do mean ANY interests in this investigation. In my mind that means that if we are looking at 8 years without so much as a new lead, and make no mistake, I don’t care what anyone is being told, there has not been a qualified “new lead” in this case in several years. You remember when I told you that I believed the Wetterling case would come back to haunt Kyron’s case as Daniel Rassier was improperly targeted for several years- and very publicly? He is suing Stearns County currently (and in some instances named in individual capacity). Substantively similar to how Terri Horman was treated, and how MCSO has flatly ignored the FBI recommendations or input in Kyron’s case.
    B

  43. Rose says:

    @TRuth. iirc the 2 of them & Gearing split from Jody Stahanchyk,
    the ne plus ultra divorce hot shot in Portland, not long before
    Kaine hired Rackner. Imo when divorce lawyers split, it’s not an
    esoteric field of law, so it’s likely all about rainmaking & $ over time
    & someone’s view of equitable distribution.

  44. Rose says:

    fwiw https://www.google.com/amp/minnesota.cbslocal.com/2017/03/28/rassier-lawsuit-stearns-county/amp/
    imo he’s asking for almost nothing given attorney fees.
    a jury will have no problem with that amount.

    Agreed, but what I want to highlight are the facts that info was withheld from the grand jury (alleged) and apparently from some of the probable cause warrants. In my view, given the “absolute immunity and sovereignty” wide berths at play here, the injury has to stem from negligence or recklessness under the color of law. We all know that there is a widely accepted amount of “police tactics” used in investigations that have survived many similar suits- the Judge transcribed the prob cause warrant “hearing” because in my view, he knew there was not enough, but he is only bound by the four corners doctrine. There can be no argument that search launched Rassier’s POI status. There can be no doubt that Sterns et al withheld info from the FBI early in the case, and by some means, the FBI was called into the case and solved it successfully. Remind you of Kyron’s case? It should.
    B

  45. Rose says:

    I looked up his new firm. For Portland, it is old,
    established, diversified. A definite move up.
    One wonders what he did in the years between
    UVt & entering law sch in OR. UVt has a premier
    law sch track for Environmental law, so it is odd a
    man of nature pursuits & an ORian did not nail that
    JD at UVt. Imo Willamette is inferior to UVt (and most other law schs).
    http://law-schools.startclass.com/l/126/Willamette-University
    fwiw http://law-schools.startclass.com/compare/125-126/Lewis-and-Clark-College-vs-Willamette-University

  46. Rose says:

    Lol, no worries, I got ya ma’am.
    I added to another comment and responded, I appreciate the self correct which made it easy.
    B

  47. Rose says:

    Thank you. Getting cataract surgery next week; maybe in 4 mos I’ll improve accuracy.
    That is very interesting re Rassier’s grounds. I bet in Kyron a tort attorney getting his hands on both GJ transcripts would find affirmative untruths stated by likely defendant(s) as well. So what happens to an ADA who knowingly puts a perjurous LE in front of a GJ. Maybe that’s why some staff members left the office over time. Not referring to Rees; he’s still there.

    Wayyyyy above my paygrade Rose (for a deeper dive) but according to OR law- the first gj as a no true bill would not have an available transcript or gj notes (the foreperson would be the only “note taker” if you will. The second gj, assuming it was dismissed last Fall, clearly did not result in a true bill (if a vote was sought- we know it was specially convened, does that preclude its reporting?).

    To my knowledge, the only way to get a gj transcript as discovery would be via court order by some means. That can only arise through initiation of litigation or I guess, investigatory means (courts own motion) or ? There is no previous requirement to record any gj testimony outside of “officer involved” issues I am aware of- and all are sacrosanct.

    What I can say is that over the years I have interviewed many OR attorneys, some previous ADA’s. Not one of them has EVER seen the scenario of gj before us in Kyron’s case. Not one.

    o/t: I will be thinking of you, I hope the surgery goes well but you never have to worry about post accuracy- I will be glad to help you any time.
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  48. T. Ruth says:

    @Rose says:
    December 28, 2017 at 1:43 pm

    So imo the Sting was an attempt to get evidence of a prior solicitation to harm. That’s a pretty weak thread to hang a prosecution on.
    (snipped)
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    Agreed, and add that to the so-called investigation into the decades old “alleged” Roseburg solicitation as well, same crap 7/8 years later.

    Just further tells me, they have nothing more. I find it interesting that MCSO doesn’t even list Kyron’s case as cold. If this boy’s disappearance isn’t considered cold, WTH is? At least if it were transferred into the cold case unit, it would be viewed by fresh eyes.

    Obvious then and obvious now, when Jason Gates said they could not state for fact that Kyron’s case was “not” a stranger abduction. If, as DY claims, TMH was seen taking Kyron from that school, does anyone doubt that Gates et.al., would have been able to state immediately it was not a stranger abduction. Of course he would have, and how calming that would have been to the locals. But he could not “he just couldn’t”, because DY’s account is not accurate and why she keeps claiming it, is beyond me.

    https://nij.gov/journals/260/pages/what-is-cold-case.aspx

    What Is a Cold Case?

    “The definition of a cold case varies from agency to agency. The National Institute of Justice currently defines a cold case as any case whose probative investigative leads have been exhausted. In essence, this means a case that is only a few months old may be defined as being “cold.”

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    I don’t know if this funding is still available, but there’s no excuse IMHO to have an all-volunteer cold case unit. I like what Fresno PD was able to do in this article, have two paid “dedicated” cold case investigators on board, as well as a victim’s advocate.

    And this mother, whose daughter has been missing since Janice McCall has it right:
    Resolution for Families

    In 1992, Stacy McCall disappeared in Missouri along with two other women, Susie Streeter and Sherill Levitt. Stacy’s mother, Janice McCall, is co-founder of One Missing Link, a not-for-profit service organization dedicated to reuniting the missing and their families. Having a missing loved one is “devastating,” she said.

    Speaking at an NIJ cold case regional training in San Diego (see related story, “Cold Cases: Strategies Explored at NIJ Regional Trainings”), McCall urged police agencies to recognize the importance of having dedicated cold case units. Borrowing officers from other units does not give cases the attention they need and, in some cases, creates shortages in other investigations, she said.

    There is never “closure” for families, McCall explained, there is simply “resolution.” Knowing that there is a mechanism to help fund cold case analysis can help provide some relief to families. When asked about her greatest fear, McCall responded, “There are actually two — that we will find Stacy or her remains and that we won’t find Stacy or her remains.” Stacy, Susie and Sherill have yet to be heard from or found.

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    All from the above link ^^^

    Stacy McCall’s case:

    http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article154750499.html

    PPB has over 200 cold cases:

    https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/35696

    Oye.
    Someone breaks into the home of an 11 year old and shoots him dead, takes nothing, harms no other, and the child was removed from care of a parent and this is a 16 year old cold case? Double homicide by strangulation with someone using their ATM cards for days and its a cold case? Not much else to say, really.

    Well, except this, “fresh eyes” on a cold case CANNOT come from the same agency, cold unit or not- its an undeniable conflict. It needs to occur by an entirely neutral party with the sole goal of case review for steps for progression.
    There is simply no excuse for Reese to introduce Bazilian as former FBI on “Kyron’s case” and then NOT request a case review from the FBI. That said, I think it odd that he intro’d Bazilian that way on an unresolved case in the first place.
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  49. Rose says:

    All I see is a list of names on the ppbblink. I assume your examples Blink come from acouple? which? You mean Reese when PPB Chief introduced Art to the B, retired FBI, to cover his ass as an “investigator” in oneof those cases when Art didn’t even have an agency behind him? Niw one knows why Reese made a high up position civilian and recruited Art tl handle hus business books and testify at budget time to Kafoury’s Klowns before he’d even qualify as a deputy (he has now). More partnership. Probably used that line on Desiree: You remember Art from those pressors at Skyline don’t you? He’s with us now.
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    Idk which case is the dead 11 yo boy and who’s the 16 yo abductee case, but you know right there it’s a girl and the abductor had crossed her path and wanted her (or she collaborated). Multiple uses of atms—those things with cameras? And still missing? PPB’s “detective” unit needs to be under Court supervision after some Federal class (DOJ) action case on behalf of these missing. PPB had a settlement re ppb & mentally ill. These 220+ need similar Federal protection. Good luck with that (holding municipal pds accountable using the Fed funds hook) under Sessions whose concerns managing State and local PDs lie elsewhere.

    My apologies Rose and thank you for calling me out- I was rushing before a very early meeting. The double homicide and abduction case was Mr. and Mrs. Wheatley (both found strangled in basement of their home) and the 11 year old was Joshua Jeffries (thank you for the link TRuth). I mispoke about the Wheatley’s being abducted, there atm cards were used in several locations over several days as were their credit cards and car- apparently by offenders posing as prospective buyers of their home. That said, with that level of activity and MO, it is surprising to me it remains unsolved.

    Links:
    https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/article/360131
    http://www.kptv.com/story/16900743/cold-case-killers-robbed-strangled-retired-couple

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