Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes

I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010.    Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past,  I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another.   This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases.    I am proud of that.  I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.

Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom,  Terri Horman.   Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey.    Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child.    There are dozens of sources,  collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.

Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did.  I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping.  Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode.    When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her,   I most certainly respected that.  I still do.

While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure,   I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth.  There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions.     Not what I signed on for.   A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience.   He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.

I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil.   I appreciate your patience and your understanding.   Feel free to discuss the show below.

 

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  1. Rose says:

    ot https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/08/from-expensing-a-yacht-to-chasing-the-onion-i-watched-newsweek-die-from-the-inside-216948
    mentions the monetization & click bait
    business model. A model likely behind O
    terminating 11 more reporters recently.

    Brilliant Post-
    In sum (for me) “…The irony is that this click-bait, aggregation approach is dumb and dated. It’s the approach of The Huffington Post circa 2004, a model HuffPost, as it is now called, has since discarded…”

    The second your model is based on click-throughs, you may as well throw yourself on the fake news pile.
    It would be super interesting if a subscription owner ever sought damages of some kind based on it- it seems like litigation is the only way to address problems or regulate anymore. Left to their own accord editors are more concerned with advertising cash than they are journalistic ethics and integrity.
    B

  2. A Texas Grandfather says:

    I agree Rose about the tort lawyers. Tort lawyers are one of the reasons that our public schools are in such a mess. However, Texas does have the frivolous lawsuit law on the books that many states do not have.

    Integrity and moral values are important in good government, schools and business. Without them, those that are harmed are forced to get justice via the courts.

  3. T. Ruth says:

    @A Texas Grandfather says:
    February 8, 2018 at 5:31 pm

    Thanks for sharing. A step in the right direction is better than two steps backwards! If nothing else, this brings up a subject that I’m sure will hit the newspapers and perhaps bring this disgusting trash-passing habit to the front stage across the country. I’m sure many people with school age kids aren’t even aware of what the heck has been going on in our schools: throwing rotten apples between schools, and all while they are receiving pay and benefits!

    *************
    @Rose,

    I knew Terrones eventually followed Keefer to George, but I thought he was absent from Skyline school year 9/2010- 9/2011.? You sure? I recall trying to figure out where he had gone, perhaps I just thought he was gone. Oh wait, I think there was one more who was also employed same job as Terrones….name’s escaping me…. Robert somebody. When I have time I’ll go back and look. (I believe he may also have been just P/T.)
    Mastin already had his job set up in Albuquerque in August 2010, IIRC.

    Anyway, this “passing the trash” makes me sick! Just like when one actually throws things away, there is really no “away”. Perhaps this is PPS’s take on teacher environmental recycling? Just kidding! We all know what it is, it’s a CYA for inept administration policies and people just plain not doing their jobs.

  4. Rose says:

    this year’s Pres. is Krafve.
    https://oregonwashingtonlawmen.org/contact-us/
    Their Conference case presentations seem to be heroically
    solved cases. An OSP Cold Case detective is a presenter this year.

    I am a fan of professional development as you know- most especially in the area of cold cases in jurisdictions with very little training of their investigators, etc.
    That said, an example of what irks me is this case presentation: https://oregonwashingtonlawmen.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/owla-fall-2014-training-announcement.pdf
    Jeffrey Cutlip. The description of the case presentation is more than misleading. Naturally I do not know ultimately how the case presentation was structured before the participants but to your point and use of word “heroic”- it seems its’ “billing” is misleading to say the least. Cutlip called from Brownsville and confessed to three homicides, the first was classified as an accidental drowning and never re opened until his confession. The coroner missed a brutal sexual assault and apparently forensic evidence that the victim had been restrained over a period of time prior to death as well as other evidence of assault that could not be explained by an “accidental drowning”.

    If it was presented as a serious learning tool- to highlight the errors in a case that took over 30 years to solve and claimed 2 additional victims (he lived in same building as vic 2) and was ultimately solved by the serial offender calling out of the blue- then I take my misgivings back. Having attended a few of these- I doubt highly that was the case. Cutlip is and was a textbook BAU serial killer profile in every way. DId anyone bother to tap the FBI?
    B

  5. Rose says:

    yes iirc it was a Robert somebody.

  6. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Thank you T.Ruth

    There are close to 1100 school districts within the state of Texas and that does not include the private schools. Having taught in the public schools in three districts along with private lessons, I have been a witness to five “pass the trash” situations.

    I am dubious of the ability of the TEA to properly address the important issues. Government does not work quickly and accurately enough to clear this issue. However, it has come to the attention of the Texas senate and house of representatives and now the Governor is doing something. And, as you point out that alone will inform parents of the problem along with publicity to the general public.

  7. T. Ruth says:

    Well, Rose, at least I’m consistent, you’re right Terrones was back in 2010/11 year, (I just remembered looking at it wrong in the first plae!).

    Here’s what we’d come up with in 2015 as those who did not come back to Skyline in 2010/11 school year:

    In any case these are the people I came up with as not coming back to school for the next school year following Ky’s disappearance:

    Kooning, Jill 4/5

    Mastin, Paul Math/Lng. Arts 6/7/8
    Moylan, Kenny Head custodian
    Cox, Stephanie Counselor
    Yates, Nancy School Psychologist
    Saliva Robert, Para educa.

    Porterfield, Molly
    Masic, Selim

    Note, Frischmann, Katrina Math/Sci 6/7/8 IIRC, she married and did come back as Katrina Arras.

    Did Stephanie Cox became Stephanie Shaivo and take over the school psychologist position instead of counselor? If so, we can scratch her off as well.

    http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/comment-page-196/#comments

    Now, that being said, we still don’t know for sure if the FB conversation between BG & Ms.K was indeed rumor or if whomever they were referring to actually did not leave, but had perhaps threatened to, but stayed on. ( Maybe a “potential” whistle-blower who stayed on with beni’s? IDK.) But the actual teachers that did leave and not come back are as above. Unless we somehow don’t have 2009/10 list right. Only “teachers” listed are Kooning, Mastin & Salvia, right? Others are staff positions?
    ****************

    Good God, what will it take for LE to release some more information on this child’s disappearance? He turns 16 years old this year!! If he was abducted and held captive by someone for some sort of sexual pedophilia pleasure (or if LE believes he was trafficked by someone for the same purpose), that is probably about over now due to his age.

    There must be ‘something’ they can release that might help find this child and solve this mystery.

    ************
    @Blink Do you know where Ben Keefer was on June 3, 2010?

    T.Ruth- I would answer you this way- I do not have verification from Mr. Keefer as to his whereabouts on June 3, 2010 and as you know I am a verified facts person, lol.
    B

  8. Rose says:

    @TRuth. Haven’t read this, but google says someone on this pg noted Robert Salvia, paraeducator, did not return in F’10. Iirc both he &Terrones were not on the List. I specukated he was the one a spec ed para subbed for that day.
    http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=printpage;topic=9317.0
    Over several yrs most of the very large no (for the sch population) of paras left as did those married OTs, and I speculated it was because the no of IEPs with those services diminished over time.

  9. Rose says:

    ot
    See picture (on Chicago to NYC train, the one with the “steroid”-like arms) for next opportunity for mcso corrections & patrol deputies with the new DHS budget $ passage. retire from MCSO on PERS and go to Fed govt for 5 yrs and a second retirement.
    https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/world/2018/02/11/to-the-us-border-patrol-the-canadian-border-is-100-miles-wide.html?__twitter_impression=true

    Wanted to make sure you saw my note re your epic editorial/docuseries post.
    B

  10. Rose says:

    @ Blink. yes, late yesterday.
    However, I had confidence there is method in yr moderation
    & ripeness. I’ll accept the “crazy” compliment. Since my post was
    stream of consciousness, I bless moderation. I have been pondering
    longer the Nasser story set amidst So Michigan subcultures which imo
    make it unique. I have been familiar since the 70s, but lately said subculture has hit
    home & is painful. Eventually I’ll post that observation on aspects of
    Nasser’s unique environment imo.

    o/t: Lol, the opposite of “crazy” ma’am. But, if it were, you should know I will always have your “back” and the collective “backs” of our esteemed colleagues here.

    I always feel like for me to state my opinion on a current matter I need to have researched and written on it. I have been trained in the method of “facts matter”, likely to a fault. When I ponder the phrase Michigan subculture- what immediately comes to mind for me is OCCK. I worked extensively on that case, became friends with a few family members of one of the victims and it will haunt me always. It is a case where my specific training re profiling and motivations of criminal pedophiles and criminal pedophile abductions/homicides was likely “born” and should have produced some more meaningful work. That said, even though we have been partially successful on occasion in getting a few investigative records released- as long as Cooper and Walton are in power the case will remain unsolved and an elderly Father of a victim fighting for a chance to know what happened to his son before he dies will continue to be re victimized. My point- part of me feels like certain offenders of a certain age and demographic have knowledge or were involved or affected in some way, even tangentially.

    B

    You know,

  11. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Rose

    The retirement programs work many ways. Such as State police, then a position in another LE agency such as county sheriff or local police department and as you point out with the increase in the personnel of the Border Patrol it is part of the mix as well. This happens in every state.

    In the link, some are being surprised at the distance from a border that the officers are allowed to work. In Texas, a manned border station is 35 miles North of Del Rio about two miles South of the intersection of hwy 277 with 377. In Brooks county. the station is 80 miles North of the border at Falfurrias on hwy 281.

    The border with Canada and the states adjacent to the Atlantic coast have long been short of patrol officers. With the crackdown on illegals, these states will see a lot more of this activity.

  12. erose says:

    o/t Rose, Did I miss the outcome of the eye surgery? If you have already had it, I see it hasn’t slowed you down any.

  13. T. Ruth says:

    Re: Rose’s link above

    I’m not a tweeter or whatever they’re called, (don’t have one of those accounts) but if I were and I was a student who was ever enrolled in PPS who was blown-off for complaining about improper conduct or a teacher who had been reprimanded or ignored for attempting to blow a whistle, or a parent with kids in any PPS school who are now appalled at what’s been going on, I’d be demanding the names of those involved in this cover-up as far up the ladder as it goes. PPS needs a “Me2″ movement. If there are indeed more good teachers than bad, more good administrators than not, then they need to get together because there is always power in numbers, and by not naming names here in this report, it makes everyone look bad, while those responsible for the CYA go unscathed. #PPSTruthOUT! Or something like that, or maybe #PPSkids1st!

    I never tire of saying this: How can Kyron’s bio’s be happy with Kyron’s investigation, especially in the light of the new reports showing PPS’s tendency to cover their own ass’s? Do they still think that the information MCSO asked for, but was purged by PPS was a coincidence? In light of these new stories, common sense says otherwise. Damn! Why didn’t someone sue them back then! Grrrr.

    WORD.
    B

  14. Rose says:

    What is true to me is it would have been in character and consistent with her behavioral history for the PPS attorney, now with Miller Nash, to promptly threaten every employee witness in the building with firing but worse than firing, with additional retributive personal lawsuits by and from PPS, if they were forthcoming with mcso interviewers about all they witnessed, and further very likely directed each employee witness to be UNtruthful, and to as quickly as possible single out and blame one known convenient culprit, the stepmother. And all those directives, by email to each employee, imo were then expunged from the PPS system.
    As for the bios, don’t look at what they have ever said about wanting Kyron home, look at their behavior, what they’ve DONE. They have done 2 things:
    1) gone after the same target PPS conveniently lined up behind (isolated incident)
    2) gone after money that was easy pickings from the public (not the work of a PLS suit) which imo parents with feelings of full contributory innocence would have done).

    Nobody will ever convince me that whatever “edata” was being referred to was actually lost or erased or “expunged” unless it was done willfully by some party. In which case, one better have an investigative file as to Who, how and why as part of those Kyron case binders. It is not a matter of national security that I am aware of- but I refer to the recent “50K lost texts” by FBI Samsung users- Seriously. Embarrassing. 24 hours later they are available.
    To my knowledge, that was also not referring to any emails that may have originated from or included the Hormans- those were generated by the parties in discovery afaik.
    B

  15. Rose says:

    @TRuth. imo the reason staff emails and voice messages of June 4-6, or the first week or so, were expunged was not mere IT or “system” carelessness despite an investigator’s eventual interest, but to expunge intra-PPS communications, particularly with and from that lawyer & her staff instructing how each employee at Skyline should handle the interview requests, first from investigators, second with attendee parents, third with the public.

  16. Rose says:

    36 yrs with PPS, who hid his problem
    http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2018/02/another_former_portland_teache.html

    I have said it before and I will say it again- in my view, persons in positions of public trust, subject to “public” and/or protected FED/STATE pensions should be required to face enhanced scrutiny measures.
    B

  17. erose says:

    I don’t understand why the school retains jurisdiction over felonious acts.

    Right.
    Involving minors potentially, subject to a standard and duty of care no less.
    B

  18. erose says:

    Wish someone could dig into Whitehurst’s connection to the leadership, if true. Maybe those Skyline teachers will start to retire and talk.

    snip>

    Nobigots
    3 days ago

    @tombdragon I has the displeasure to work with Whitehurst. Many of us complained to the school administrators about him. Do you know now why we didn’t go public? I know you dislike teachers, and me in particular because I comment on your comments. We knew if we went to the district we would lose our jobs and Mitch would walk away unscathed. Whitehurst had some connection to district leadership. What that was we didn’t know. But we knew it was real. I escorted my students, at their request, when they had to meet with him one on one, in his small cramped office.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2018/02/portland_public_schools_admits.html#incart_river_mobile_home

  19. Rose says:

    PPS HR Attorney Sloane, of Whitehurst-Soto “fame,” has her credibility at stake along with Jollee, in 2011.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/12/jury_deliberations_set_to_begi.html
    Who’d a thought in 2010 PPS was a thoroughly corrupt system with so many lying administrators?
    It seems to me a high school guidance counselor knew or should have known how corrupt Legal & HR were in PPS. What stands out in my 8 yo memory was an appreciation of Supt Carole.

  20. T. Ruth says:

    erose says:
    February 16, 2018 at 1:08 am
    “We knew if we went to the district we would lose our jobs and Mitch would walk away unscathed. Whitehurst had some connection to district leadership. What that was we didn’t know. But we knew it was real. I escorted my students, at their request, when they had to meet with him one on one, in his small cramped office. ”

    ************

    RE: the comment from an apparent former PPS teacher posted on Olive above:

    Hmmmm, let’s see….decisions….decisions:

    Turn in Whitehurst = *possible* demotion or job loss, but kids’ protected.

    Don’t turn in Whitehurst = keep job and PERS in a school system where kids are not protected.

    **************
    What’s to think about? #PPSKids1st! Nothing to ponder in my book. If one is aware of kids being mistreated (in any way!) by another PPS staff member AND there is proof, particularly when the poster implies “many of them complained”, as in there were multiple people (adults/teachers) who knew what was going on, I would NOT stop if my complaints were ignored at level one. I would go on up that damn ladder until I found someone who would do something about the situation. Right on out to the school board and continuing up that ladder to other elected officials, attorney general, state reps, whomever! If it was illegal activity as well, LE! And they would have received documented details about the complaints against Whitehurst and the behavior of my superiors in light of them! The poster even knew “their students” needed an escort for cryin’ out loud! In the long run, whomever that poster was, would have been considered a hero. It’s a shame they chose a paycheck over their kids’ needs. Of course it’s a shame they felt the need to have to choose in the first place and needs to be investigated, but that feeling comes from information processed *within* themselves.

    Frankly, I would not want to work for an organization that was so coercive and immoral and I would not have been afraid to lose my job because I stood on higher moral grounds. After seeing my complaints acknowledged, I then would have gone elsewhere to find work, with a very clear conscience if nothing else. IDK, maybe I just see things too black and white.

  21. erose says:

    The message I am getting from multiple directions is we do not have a see something say something problem, we have a say something DO something problem.

  22. A Texas Grandfather says:

    T.Ruth

    In today’s public environment of protecting bad behavior of adults and youths, it takes more than one brave individual to force the clean-up no matter the name of the organization.

    It takes a group of people who organize for the express purpose of exposing a situation along with someone who understands how to get the media involved. Media exposure by a large group of complainants gets the public’s attention and prevents retaliation against individuals by those who would retaliate in order to cover up a situation.

  23. evie says:

    Super! National recognition! Now if we could just convince Nigel Jaquiss to take on MCDA/MCSO/PPS.. he could get to them all via Kyron’s case.
    Surely there’s another Pulitzer waiting.. and certainly a grateful Portland public.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-14/meet-the-oregon-journalist-who-keeps-taking-down-governors

  24. erose says:

    Another example of schools trying to do the job of police and the judicial system. Sorry for the soap box, but the schools can’t be everything and they sure don’t have the right to usurp criminal prosecution, whether it be “discipline” for sexually abusive teachers or a kid dealing drugs at school, or telling cops to stand down at university rallies. They are over reaching in their authority, then claim they cannot be responsible for everything.

    snip>

    Beginning in 2013, Broward stopped referring students to police for about a dozen infractions ranging from alcohol and drug use to bullying, harassment and assault. Instead, students who get in trouble for those infractions are offered an alternative program that emphasizes counseling, conflict resolution skills and referral to community social service agencies.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/teachers-say-florida-suspect’s-problems-started-in-middle-school-and-the-system-tried-to-help-him/ar-BBJj7XE?li=BBnbcA1

    Here’s the problem with that- its like the damn Title IX conflict of interest issues investigating their own we have discussed on here in multiple cases. In the High School system- we are predominantly dealing with minors. Everything that “goes with that” in a legal sense is protected information- if you can believe it, once a kid is in the juvenile system the kids PO’s and court appointed counselors do NOT share any info and are bound by confidentiality. I was once in the office area to pick up Blink Jr for a dental appt and a woman walked in with a jacket that read “Juvenile Probation Officer” and called their “client” out of class for a meeting. Um, wth is the point then?

    In my jurisdiction I interned with Juv Probation a few years ago- No kid under 18 who is facing detention or jail can be placed into custody without a prob officer present. My point on that- if that is the case, how the eff can a school think it can handle such issues on their own when they have a complete lack of authority to do so in the first place? On many occasions there are mental health issues at play and I understand there is a drastic shortage of behavioral health resources for this age group nationwide. The answer is not to divert instances that may be precursors to mass murder, ftlog. Above all, there is a standard and duty of care assigned to these institutions and protection from harm from someone with access to the school and students is at the top of the priority chain.

    School resource officers are in place and paid for by tax dollars similarly.
    WRT to Cruz, it APPEARS as though they took him as a “threat” seriously and expelled him- but failed from there in protecting from retaliation and access- a threat assessment that nets a threat must be subject to preventative measure- this is not a new or novel concept. Add to that the FBI failed to process a definite confirmation of that risk. The agency I so frequently tout on here, I have trained with, I have worked with in cases and I want to scream in agony for how PREVENTABLE 17 deaths and hundreds of injuries were. Newsflash- as someone trained in their risk and threat assessment profiling discipline- I can tell you unequivocally they broke every rule in their own program.

    You would think after learning that Lanza actually hacked into the FBI intranet at the age of like 13, prompting a visit and that information finally being made public a few months back would have caused an internal tidal wave of protocol review and similar tip handling. I am so weary and sickened by our REACTION leading the charge as it is, to now see that we did not even have that benefit to prevent Broward County. God have Mercy is all I can say.
    I thank you for pointing out such a serious problem erose.

  25. erose says:

    Just to add I see multiple agency failures @ FL, not just the school.

  26. Rose says:

    @erose. haven’t read your pithy thots yet,
    but I was discoraged to see today that
    Apparently the House recently voted to gut
    the Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA).
    Bye byethe bulwark of minimal K-12 education for
    all children. Not the optimal education or
    an equal education, but a minimal
    threshhold that parents with $
    to hire Ed professionals can use to
    advocate for services for
    their child to get a tiny bit of instructional give.
    Without the ADA, Broward PS owed this kid nothing.
    —-
    Boy in FLA needed locked inpatient for a year followed by gradual supervised community
    residential placement only the most wealthy could buy.

  27. Rose says:

    ot
    was Freeh the Director when Lanza was 13?
    Imo after 9/11 the pretty much sole FBI focus was Terrorism,
    maybe financial & organized crime. Certainly not gun threats
    from mentally ill or cyber teens.
    ie in Portland field office was busy
    entrapping teen Muslims.
    Just curious.
    imo sequestration of $ hampered many
    Fed agencies from IRS (had ATF at one time)
    to FBI.
    ——-
    imo putting otherwise functional agencies
    like INDbunder a newly created (then)
    Homeland Security was a bad bureaucratic move.

    I am not prepared to say HLS was a bad move, but it is true they got all the money and priority. As it is now, the balance of power and the ability to leverage same is a major problem wrt to terrorism. In short- find the funding, cut the beast at the head. We (as an investigative agency) cannot (and have not so far) get there.

    Re Lanza: it is just another example of how post 9/11 was “knee jerk” and then ?
    You do remember they were tracking Amazon prime purchases of the Quoran (My Mum and the FBI agents watching her on the riding mower with my Poppa’s US Marine’s pith helmet because my Dad had just had shoulder surgery)
    B

  28. Rose says:

    “INS under”

  29. A Texas Grandfather says:

    The school systems should have zero responsibility for handling students who cannot behave. The federal Title IX is one of the reasons that schools are tasked with that behavior when in fact Title IX is based on unconstitutional processes.

    The report to the FBI was lost due to improper system design,. That lack was the cause of the destruction on 9/11 and the resultant creation of the Homeland Security Agency. Here we are 17 years later and little has changed.

    The other thing is that these sick individuals and groups who have created these events know from experience that schools, hospitals and some other public places are designated “Gun Free Zones”. If it was known that there were proper protections with certified LE officers and trained teachers with concealed carry licenses these, events would cease to happen.

    In my generation, students who could not behave were sent to a facility for juvenile corrections and kept there until age 18.

    Given outcomes of late it may surprise you, but I am not an advocate for institutionalizing minors- but not for reasons you may think. It is because the qualified system personnel to EVALUATE their mental and behavioral health needs are scarce and none. I do agree if a kid is showing homicidal ideations or has access to firearms – there should be a restriction on firearms at the residence or anywhere the individual could reasonably gain access.

    Discussing Lanza again- a kid with very little ability (if any) to form a distinction between online violent gaming and real life, showing savant level hacker technique, who is given cart blanche access to a cache of deadly firearms defies logic in every sense of the word. His Mother paid for such ignorance with her life before the Newtown victims and once again… PREVENTABLE. That haunts me. So to your point, if the markers are there, I AM in favor of an act now (protection) evaluate later scenario. It just stuns me that anyone is even surprised when the offender is spending (quite literally) ALL of their waking hours threatening to do something they ultimately accomplish- with eaze. Unbearable really.

    What changes and advancements have we made Nationally at the PS level that we learned were necessary as a result of Newton, Columbine, or “other”? My takeaway rn is that we learned and implemented exactly nothing and that should be entirely unacceptable.
    B

  30. Rose says:

    The best writeup I’ve seen re Broward PS:
    “Teachers began to press school administrators to have Cruz transferred to Cross Creek School, a K-12 public school for students with emotional and behavior disabilities that offers intensive psychiatric counseling. But one of Cruz’s former teachers said the referral process into Cross Creek was agonizingly slow, complicated by a lack of classroom space and cumbersome state procedures for officially designating a student as a potential threat to himself or others.
“It’s very hard to get a kid in there, very hard,” the teacher said. “I don’t know why, but I suspect it comes down to money. . . . So for three-fourths of the year, he went untreated at school.”
In February 2014, Cruz was transferred to Cross Creek. In January 2016, after about two years at Cross Creek, he transferred to Douglas High. It’s not clear why he left Cross Creek, a small school tailored for his needs, for a sprawling comprehensive high school of more than 3,000 students.”
    The Washington Post: Teachers say Florida suspect’s problems started in middle school, and the system tried to help him https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/teachers-say-florida-shooters-problems-started-in-middle-school-and-the-system-tried-to-help-him/2018/02/18/cdff7aa6-1413-11e8-9065-e55346f6de81_story.html

    Looks to me like a local school placement 4 rich or connected parents who can hire attorneys and fight for spaces. No discharge planning. No rational IEP. Not enough spaces and money. He needed a long term residential ED placement anyway, which any school district in America would fight tooth & nail and win rather than pay for.

    I vote Broward offer Jollee a job.

    I read something the other day that included that not a single person visited his adopted Mom at her funeral, and that his self-appointed caregiver felt that was a trigger of sorts. While it will always hurt my heart to see a child in a similar situation to Cruz, it is an example of the fallout of the devastation to families with untreated mental health needs that result in terrifying others. In the case of Lanza and Sigg such Dx and the nuclear fam response to it have destroyed families. I am going to be very interested in reading whatever “will” or estate plan designated for the Cruz brothers because it will shock me to learn that was not some sort of provision that dealt with access to funds or Social security benefits for emergency health care or things of that nature. I suspect there is/was and that is why Deschamps exercised a mandatory psych eval for the younger brother. Not seeking necessary treatment or any other requirements of a trust or estate executrix in efforts to not deplete the funds is a quick way to get yourself replaced with a neutral advisor.

    B

  31. erose says:

    Exactly. What is wrong with the FBI? Are they overwhelmed, or are they underwhelmed?

    snip>

    You would think after learning that Lanza actually hacked into the FBI intranet at the age of like 13, prompting a visit and that information finally being made public a few months back would have caused an internal tidal wave of protocol review and similar tip handling.

    http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/#comments

    No earthly idea erose. I have had some outstanding experiences with FBI SA’s and one or two I would categorize as less than stellar (LTS). One (LTS) had to do with prioritizing a tip provided by an individual under surveillance I received through a colleague in a professional membership org that had to be processed “anonymously” (so as not to disclose the active surveillance nature) re the possible association to an unsolved homicide of a uniformed officer.

    I have never met with or worked with a SA that I felt was unskilled or untrained to the task, fwiw.
    B

  32. erose says:

    I mean, I say uh-oh when the FBI can’t even get an IP address off of a YouTube post.

    It’s BS. Had a risk assessment been done- the escalation would have had that kid in custody at the very least on a 12 hour psych hold to remove his access. This is an inexcusable and preventable error and I cannot imagine what that information does to exacerbate the grief of these families. God be with them.
    B

  33. erose says:

    Evie, I had to check in on NJ. Seems he’s still fighting the good fight. Should we all email or tweet him and ask him to dig into Kyron’s story? I’m up for it.

    http://www.wweek.com/news/2018/02/14/the-black-parent-initiative-fires-co-founder-and-ceo-charles-mcgee/

  34. first-time says:

    OT: Payton Young, who had been missing from Columbus, OH for about a month was found yesterday, near where she had left her belongings. A very sad day for those who loved her and who had held out so much hope that she was alive. RIP Payton. Mental help for kids and teens – as a society, we are failing.

    http://nbc4i.com/2018/02/20/body-found-in-hayden-run-identified-as-missing-teen-payton-young/

    Oh ft I am so very sorry for your loss. I am so sorry this little light did not get help to get her through this. I know it may be of no consolation rn, but I promise you as sure as I sit here Payton is with God.

    We are most definitely failing our at risk youth, 100%.
    B

  35. erose says:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/younger-dynamic-pushing-ar-15-sales-higher-after-parkland-massacre/vi-BBJnhHa?ocid=spartanntp

    Gun Control, Mental Health, School Security, Institutional failures, can we add psychotropic drugs to the list?

  36. A Texas Grandfather says:

    There was another area that was left out of my post that has a huge effect on youths and adults. That is prescription drugs that have very dangerous side effects. These include the STATIN and SSRI types.

    We don’t have information about possible drugs for the Florida shooter.

    The Israelis have perfected a process of protection of the schools from terrorist attacks. We should look at what they have implemented. They have not had a school shooting in the last forty plus years.

    “I am in favor of an act now (protection)evaluate later scenario.” Is exactly what I described in my sending these students to a correctional facility where they could be evaluated by trained people.

    In Florida the NAACP got involved with stopping arrests of minorities for bad behavior in the schools. Very little has been in print about this agreement between LE and the schools.

  37. Rose says:

    TU first-time. Such a beautiful girl.

  38. Rose says:

    @evie & erose. post 2nd eye surgery last nite I woke up at midnite & checked out NJ a bit.
    Good reason he won’t. I will pass on my urls when things settle, soon. I was led to look him up
    bcz those 3 big stories all involved the top Exec (2 govs, Mayor) & sexual picadillos,
    much more than financial crimes and failings. (The latter ought to be his interest.)
    But not ALL Chief Execs, bcz he gave drug-prone Cogen, a MJ lover, a pass. So
    I wondered about his father, & family and background of origin.

    Godspeed on your healing dearest Rose.
    xo
    B

  39. Rose says:

    However, there are good reasons NJ
    has likely been very knowledgeable &
    followed the press from day 1.

  40. Rose says:

    I will separate my posts in case Blink needs to ditch one or another, so all are not gone.
    wrt
    A Texas Grandfather says:
    February 19, 2018 at 1:49 pm
    A Texas Grandfather says:
    February 20, 2018 at 1:14 pm
    http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/#comments

    Thank you for sharing your opinions, ATG. Respectfully, mine– based on my facts, education, and life experiences–leads me to disagree strongly with them in these two posts, but I think it is not productive, edifying, or appropriate to go into substance in this venue. Best wishes, though.

  41. Rose says:

    @evie, erose re the possibility of NJ doing “groundbreaking” investigation wrt to the abduction act itself of Kyron and the following MCSO investigation over the last 8 years.

    Your comments led me to look him up–not his prior stories, those are well known and you reference them–but his background in terms of family of origin and career path. Why? Those 3 big stories all involved the State or Portand’s top Public Civil Servant Exec (2 govs, Mayor) & sexual picadillos,
    much more than financial crimes and failings. (The latter ought to be his interest.) But not ALL Chief Execs, bcz he gave drug-prone Cogen, a MJ lover, a pass. So I wondered about his father.

    My look was short and cursory and “under the influence” of surgical drugs.
    Father was a tip top organic chemist, inventor, and executive (marketing) at GE, and apparently died before the boys were in or thru college. Other facts re NJ’s trajectory are in his NYT wedding announcement. Married while he was a “trader”. And to a Greenwich girl who went to Ms. Porter’s and taught at Nightengale. Little about mother, except the listing of three boys’ names in addition to his, perhaps brothers. And, she seemed to have stayed on the east coast while all the boys are at the opposite end of America. (I hope she’s in a nice retirement home in Dallas or Lake Oswego.)
    Just because men of these names are on some site associated with mother does not mean they are brothers. However, imo one reason NJ steers clear of PPS exposes, and there have been SO many opportunities and SO much that press have neglected or covered up, would be due to
    potential brother 1, 22+ yrs with PPS (4th grade)

    https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fandrew-jaquiss-62b78396&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6329998a53fb4eed7abc08d579899d91%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636548554308732287&sdata=iw7qSn6dd3J4E1gtKp10DWj0aQ%2FXbgCS8ftGfik04Mc%3D&reserved=0

    wish dates of college grad were included.
    inferences: Vandy, in my area seen as party school like NJ’s Dartmouth. He from a BSE mech engr to 4th grade teacher. Why Portland, &Lewis & Clark, with a Massachusetts origin and Vandy college for a degree one can get at any cheap college anywhere?

    potential brother2: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.swimwithmike.org%2Frecipients_list%2Fian-jacquiss%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6329998a53fb4eed7abc08d579899d91%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636548554308732287&sdata=J5%2BvxtC3EbUMItgqhJpQLHnI%2B0qDgZBoQtEGySQuEzo%3D&reserved=0
    A remarkable man and an OSHU employee (there’s been SO much there too to investigate but hasn’t been).
    https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kpsu.org%2Flearning-to-grow%2Fan-abled-night-with-ohsu-community-outreach-specialist-ian-jaquiss%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6329998a53fb4eed7abc08d579899d91%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636548554308732287&sdata=4%2BR02ps%2Fb%2FFToLykyLSP81jCCxZ1cJ9vW6UaHcR9xEg%3D&reserved=0
    One wonders when he got to Oregon, that is, which brother came first. The way I see the dates, he preceded NJ into journalism at LA Times (niche reporting on disabled, Seoul Olympics (probably NJ was in Singapore at that time) before law school in the South, was it in Alabama?

    possible brother 3 (shares same 3 names with Mother’s relative) also went to Vandy and got his start after graduation in Arkansas. Ended up in Dallas, a prominent pediatric cardiothoracic surgeon.

    So 2 brothers are in Portland, and OSHU med ctr and PPS are pretty politically dependent jobs from my reading of 8 years. Doubt NJ would write on anything involving their institutions. One expects Ian led him into journalism and either Ian or Andrew preceded him to Portland.

    They donated to a Portland Catholic HS, so one expects all their children were not public all the way thru. I doubt they were Catholic.

    Due to a longterm 4th grade teacher brother, I expect NJ was well-steeped in PPS’ version of events and the publically info known to reporters of the abduction from day l.

    Nice work Rose.
    Wasn’t there some sort of dust up with Pitkin from WW as well though?
    B

  42. Rose says:

    Unfortunately, I hit submit (not used to computer posting) before I commented.
    Imagine in a HS of 3000 students, likely majority white, a student is working in the sound booth as is his school assignment, runs to let in students pounding on auditorium door, SWAT follows them in and they say the guy in the Sound Booth has the same color skin and hair and shirt as the shooter.

    So 6 “SWAT” men rush in and point 6 automatic weapons at him and DO NOT QUESTION HIM. They threaten him with immediate death and hands up march him cuffed to be guarded by a police also presenting a death threat if the moves or talks for several hours. AND NO ONE QUESTIONS HIM AND WHY HE WAS IN THAT LOCATION ETC. We need to reform police and sheriff depts. across America, confine SWAT to highly trained staff with rigid protocols and procedures. If this boy had been shot, a FL GJ would clear the office under some heat of battle, risk to the public excuse. What happened to holding a “suspect” (due merely to color of skin and shirt with NO suspicious circumstances–ie, seen with a gun, seen in the halls, seen doing any nefarious act by ANY witness) with one gun, a pistol, dressed in ordinary police clothes, while he is questioned as to who he is and what his knowledge is BEFORE cuffing and frog marching under the threat of death?

    I don’t disagree it is imperfect. That said, it an emergency situation as you are describing with an active shooter, unfortunately nearly EVERY student must be treated as a possible suspect until it is learned otherwise. I can tell you that (not that it matters, the trauma of the situation rules the day here) in school drills emphasize this possibility strongly. As an example, they are taught the lock down position and evacuation position you are describing. Thank God this student was not shot- one might say erring on the side of extreme caution worked in this scenario. The risk this type of situation puts on everyone, is frankly, unbearable. I keep hearing we cannot make our schools prisons- and I do agree with this, but the reality is we MUST protect from outside “invasion” by some means.
    B

  43. Rose says:

    OT. Opinion: back to TRuth’s comment on her not being a twitter regular. I became one after the election when I had to research someone. What I learned on this Blink site is that followers might be relevant. So, I set up an account, on which I’ll never have a follower or I hope bloviate at anyone except one Office holder because it feels good.

    I signed up as part of researching someone I personally knew to have gone from one job and setting to another over 30 years by embellishment and outright untruthfulness. No one from leading universities to Foundations to thought leadership groups ever checked any of his bio claims. Neither apparently did or has Brietbart nor Alex Jones. But he was saying he’d get a very high and very prominent political appointment just after the election. I sent my research to a person in the Office of a Cabinet Secretary who I got on the phone due to other site (here) skills. Basically I used urls and books with his own quotes about his bio and work hx and juxtaposed them with discrediting urls with quotes from primary sources (ie Fed agency phone directories) including his own prior conflicting statements.

    Wrt Twitter’s utility, it was interesting to see 2/3rds or so of his followers were Turks (no other European countries) when his 30 years work and personal background had no discernable reason for any Turkish interest or contacts. His Twitter profile pic was him with a sign at a prominent Turkish golf course. Why travel THERE? His many policy positions btw mimicked Flynn and Manafort on a number of issues. So, Twitter was useful. I didn’t mention this Turk predominance on Twitter (he later delated some)to anyone or put it in my research for the Cab Sec’s asst. & No point in sharing with a Mueller, because he would be the least reliable& veracious witness to flip possible. One prominent European reporter did publish a number of his fraudulent claims–ones I had not found and was unaware of. So far he remains out of the Administration, but heh, anything goes these days.

    From that signing up for Twitter as part of research, I began following two reporters, ones I no longer really read, but one got a Pulitzer on some election reporting. However, going from lead to lead I’ve signed up over a year or so to follow numerous twitter accts, mainly of people like Richard Painter, and nat sec experts and lawyers, and reporters. So, what I’ve discovered is, if you are a reading news junkie, you chose who you want to read, and there’s this feed you have on a “home” page, and you can skim for articles. Most of these folks just have a url that takes you to their piece of writing. So, it is like a smorgasbord of information sources you have self-defined that you trust and that interest you. I have found wry and dry wits, and highly intelligent professionals, and learned so much. So, if you don’t get bogged down by taking followers, and bloviating, it is a useful tool.

    Word and thank you for sharing.
    How’s the healing coming along? Careful with those post surgical drugs, lol.
    B

  44. Rose says:

    @Blink. OT re the gun thing, since you know guns & this reporter I don’t really read anymore knows guns, see his points 1 to 11 which seem quite lucid—-find those specific tweets in a series beginning at about 8 pm on 2/21. I wonder yr opinion on his 11 points.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/kurteichenwald

    O/T: I think the reporter understands that the unfortunate issue distills to fear of any bans infringing (or worse) on the second amendment. I do not agree (generally) that banning bump stocks gets us anywhere within that zip code- but I do understand the fear per se. I do not own assault weapons and I would not allow them in my home for a variety of reasons but I would vehemently fight for my right to bear arms. That said, I am not your typical NRA supporter because I would advocate for stronger background checks (to include juvenile – good luck with that) and mandatory registry of certain assault weaponry and ammo. It is important to note that there were systemic failures in play that “but not for” their very failure- the mass killings we feel prompt review of certain gun regulations would have been prevented or were at least preventable. I keep harping on Lanza because short of constructing a neon sign complete with a large red blinking arrow (think Beetlejuice) pointing at his bedroom window- E V E R Y sign that kid had extreme violence to include mass murder AND THE ABILITY AND ACCESS to carry it out were clear and they were present for years. If we do nothing to address and stop the causation here, such an individual will just get more creative in their “means” to an end. Whatever the solution is- in my view, it MUST be tied to the behavioral health aspect.
    B

  45. Rose says:

    ot on NJ. One wonders if Meeker was/is County Exec Cogen’s friend.
    Seems to have been well known Cogen was a lover of mj/coke
    & a lover in his workforce. Yet NJ passed.
    Meeker has or had the political pull to get an OSHU job created.
    Kitz certainly was a thorny problem for the State AG,
    Meeker’s wife. Thank goodness the press took those 2 on
    rather than the State Police and AG Office havkng to solve it.

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