Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
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fwiw http://m.golocalpdx.com/news/investigation-attorney-general-rosenblum-and-meekers-ownership-in-willamett
NJ did disclose a problem at a PPS school in 2001:
https://www.pdxmonthly.com/articles/2009/5/19/0309-closer
Rose, Glad to hear you’re thru the surgeries, and onto healing. Had to post this since I also offered in a post, as food for thought. I respect your experience says otherwise.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mad-in-america/201101/psychiatric-drugs-and-violence-review-fda-data-finds-link
Rose says:
February 21, 2018 at 6:35 pm
I agree, but I don’t think it will get thru the senate.
Rose says:
February 19, 2018 at 11:41 am
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@erose. haven’t read your pithy thots yet,
but I was discoraged to see today that
Apparently the House recently voted to gut
the Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA).
fwiw https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristin-mickelson-5b6b4445
Malty, what year was Shelby graduating HS in Hillsboro?
ot just asking bcz I feel sorry
for her if she did not get to
graduate with her class.
After reading Rose’s post #50 on the previous page and blink’s reply, I decided to read the link provided and to look at the term “assault rifle and its source as a recognized name. Thanks for the link Rose.
There are 15 numbered comments on the link,but only 11 really refer to the commentators concerns about the AR-15. The guy IMO is only partially correct.
The AR-15 is the result of work done by a gentleman with the last name of Stoner in an effort to produce a military rifle that could be used as a “main battle rifle”. He was a marine in the second world war who used the M1 Garrand the main battle rifle of that war.
The M1 is a simple design with a wood stock and steel parts that is easily field striped for cleaning and repair. At one time I could take mine down and put it back together with my eyes closed-no tools needed.
The M1 fired a .308 projectile at slightly over the speed of sound. The military ammo bullet was 145 grains. It was clip fed from a clip that held five to seven rounds. The .308 bullet is quite common both in hunting rifles and military rounds. The NATO 7.62mm is a close variant of the .308.
The name AR comes from the name of the manufacturer which was Armalite. The mistaken use of the term “assault rife” is an unknown political construct by someone.
True assault rifles are assigned to the heavy weapons squad of an infantry company. In WWII it was the Browning Automatic Rifle or BAR.It was a heavy weapon weighing close to 20 lbs with the bi-pod. It was belt fed using the same ammo as the M1. A big guy could pick it up and walk with it in firing mode until he ran out of belt.
Mr. Stoner was tasked with designing a replacement for the BAR that was light in weight and could fire the 7.62mm NATO round in auto or single fire mode. The first design was designated AR-10 for Armalite rifle model 10.
The Russians had designed the AK-47 for their weapon of this type. It was a simple design, but its accuracy and control ability were terrible and still are. The AR-10 on full auto was not any better.
The maximum cycle rate for the AR-10 mechanism was 800 cycles per minute when driven by a mechanical testing device. While the cycle rate in firing mode with live ammunition was around 200 provided it didn’t jam. Ammunition is a critical component of performance. High rates of fire are very limited by the heat created in the barrel which is steel that can warp at high temperatures.
Air Force General Curtiss LeMay witnessed testing of the AR-10 and was impressed enough to suggest that a similar rifle be developed to replace the M1 carbine carried as a defensive weapon by his air crews.
This effort produced the Armalite rifle model 15 based on the same design as the model 10 with changes in the chamber and bore of the barrel. The designated bullet size was to be based on the hunting bullet of the .223 hornet round developed in the late 1950s.
The gentleman in Rose’s link talks about the number of bullets it would take to knock down a deer with such a small round. That is his lack of experience showing. I have seen it done with a single shot from a 22 cal. long rifle round at 150 yards-multiple times. It is all about accuracy and shot placement.
The AR-15 design was designated the M16 by the military. It went through many issues during early development and deployment. Colt Arms purchased the patents from Armalite paying Armalite a 4.5% royalty for each rifle sold.
The AR-15 is the civilian counterpart to the military M16 with changes and restrictions. It is a very accurate rifle in single fire mode known as semi-auto requiring a single trigger pull for each round fired. The projectile available to the public is maxed out at 65 grains while the military one is 77 grains. The major difference between the 22 cal. rounds principally for small and medium animals is the velocity of the bullet-2700 to 3000 fps for hunters and up to 3300 fps for the military.
There is a lot more to this story, but the details above will give us a general picture.
Remember and “Assault Rifle” is a political construct while the Military category is Main Battle Rifle or Automatic Rifle.
Mr. Stoner is back at work developing a 7.62mm automatic rifle for the military to be known as the model 25 by its manufacturer-not Armalite.
O/T
The shooter at UCC in Roseburg also fit the “Lanza” description. AND his mother too, bought him guns in an attempt to appease him, even though she damn well knew he had mental issues. Pisses me off that no charges were ever brought against her. Also, pisses me off that no charges were brought against the people who were posting kudos on the dark web to the shooter’s threats to shoot up people! Grrrrr!!!!!
If the FBI couldn’t find Cruz when the dude was using his real name on websites that were not hidden behind TOR or elsewhere on the dark web, then how in the hell are they finding all this Russian bots, etc? I don’t buy it, not for a minute. Heads should be rolling, someone did not do their freakin’ job. If you haven’t read the transcript from the person who called in warning them about Cruz, it’s here:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/fbi-tip-line-caller-said-nikolas-cruz-is-going-to-explode-1519415442
Many of the youths at the school in Florida knew about Cruz and why he was kicked out of school. Cruz was pure evil and exhibited these traits prior to high school.
He was smart enough to figure out the most vulnerable group of students at the school would be the freshman class housed in a separate building. He also knew from his own experience that the school deputy from the sheriff’s office was basically a coward and would not make an effort to stop him.
The freshman building is a rectangle with three floors and stair towers at each end. The hallways are straight with one for each floor. Anyone in a hallway was an easy target for the shooter.
According to a retired FBI Special Agent speaking on Fox News, the training procedures for an active shooter situation were changed shortly after the Columbine shooting. The officers were to rush the building, locate the shooter and take them out.
The FBI tip line goes to a single location in West Virginia where an automated system takes the call. There is not a human interaction with the caller. This system is workable for some types of businesses, but not for LE on any level. It should be a manned system 24/7 and divided into regional groups with recording of every call.
The lack of proper response lies with the politics of Miami-Dade and Broward counties, the school district, the NAACP and the Obama justice department. This information was found by Sundance at the Conservative Treehouse blog during the Travon Martin fiasco. It is still there for anyone who wants to read it.
@erose says:
February 23, 2018 at 1:54 pm
Thanks for the link erose. I’m glad to see at least someone is doing the research on these drugs relative to violence. I further appreciated the link on that page to the study of SSRI’s and youth suicide rates.
Am I missing something here?:
“The 31 “suspect” drugs accounted for 1527 of the 1937 case reports of violence toward others in the FDA database for that 69-month period. The drugs in that list of 31 included varenicline (an aid to smoking cessation), 11 antidepressants, 6 hypnotic/sedatives, and 3 drugs for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Antidepressants were responsible for 572 case reports of violence toward others; the three ADHD drugs for 108; and the hypnotic/sedatives for 97.”
So should that list be reading 11 were anti-smoking drugs, 11 antidepessants, 6 hpynotic/sedatives and 3 adhd’s?
Also in the 1,527 case reports of violence that were associated (and the report uses the word “responsible for”) to these 31 drugs, what are the “other” drugs that make up the balance, being as those listed here only account for 777 of said cases, or just over one half of the total cases. What drugs were associated with the other 750 cases? All non-smoking drugs? Is something being purposely held back in this report? IDK, but it’s weird to me.
I’d love to see the entire report. IIRC the LV shooter was tested for drugs and they found none, however, he’d been prescribed some sort of sedative. Can’t remember which one.
O/T
I see there is a link to the study here:
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0015337
OT
Geeze, this is a 10 year old study. A lot has happened in violent acts since then. Hopefully someone is following up on this data.
o/T
RE: The Vegas Shooter = Valium
“If somebody has an underlying aggression problem and you sedate them with that drug, they can become aggressive,” said Dr. Mel Pohl, chief medical officer of the Las Vegas Recovery Center. “It can disinhibit an underlying emotional state. … It is much like what happens when you give alcohol to some people … they become aggressive instead of going to sleep.”
Pohl, who spoke to the Review-Journal from the Netherlands, said the effects of the drug also can be magnified by alcohol.
A 2015 study published in World Psychiatry of 960 Finnish adults and teens convicted of homicide showed that their odds of killing were 45 percent higher during time periods when they were on benzodiazepines.
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https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/las-vegas-strip-shooter-prescribed-anti-anxiety-drug-in-june/
Unbelievable!!
https://trib.al/aXLjDQI
O-fodder.
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Capt. Bill Fugate was placed on paid administrative leave Wednesday, when a Deschutes County Sheriff’s Office criminal investigation began.
That same day, the restraining order petition filed in Deschutes County by Georgina Monrean-Fugate claims her husband had been violent toward her in the past and that his behavior was now “escalating out of control.”
“He has been very volatile but careful to keep domestic abuse hidden to keep his career,” the petition reads. “Now that this is jeopardized there’s nothing holding him back.”
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BruceyWatusi
6 hours ago
As a sidenote, this officer’s estranged wife happens to be a Science Teacher at Madras High School, the same school that had not one, but two teachers arrested for felonies related to inappropriate relationships with underage students.
Former Teacher / Coach Michael Ray Osborne was charged with two felonies in 2013, while Track Coach Melissa Bowerman (daughter in-law of Nike co-founder Bill Bowerman) was charged with three felonies in 2014.
Now you have another teacher involved in controversy, claiming that her estranged husband, a veteran high ranking OSP Officer assaulted and threatened her. Coffee shop banter in this town must be pretty lively these days. « less
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2018/03/wife_of_osp_captain_under_inve.html#incart_most-read_
God Bless- those threats of violence have got to be taken seriously.
B
I was barely on the site for minutes. Jeez.
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SPRINGFIELD — An Oregon high school principal had sexually abused a student for years, but officials failed to uncover the assaults despite suspicions raised by parents and faculty members, according to police and school documents.
Springfield police launched an investigation in late January after an Academy of Arts and Academics teacher alerted school officials to an overheard rumor of a sexual encounter between Principal Mike Fisher and a student, The Register-Guard reported .
The Springfield School District placed Fisher on leave on Jan. 31. He killed himself the next day.
http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2018/03/records_oregon_school_principa.html#incart_most-read_
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Kecia Weaver
A former Centennial High School worker who resigned amid a police investigation into claims she had inappropriate online contact with a student has been indicted on criminal charges.
http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2018/03/former_school_office_worker_ac.html#incart_most-read_
No City employees saw him misbehave in pool since 2005?
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/index.ssf/2018/03/former_teaching_aide_who_abuse.html#incart_river_mobile_index
O/T
A former Oregon City School District teaching aide was sentenced to more than 18 years in state prison Friday after he admitted to sexually abusing three students with mental disabilities while working as their swim instructor.
James McGlothlin pleaded guilty in Clackamas County Circuit Court to first-degree sexual abuse stemming from incidents that occurred between September 2013 and March 2014 at the Oregon City Swimming Pool. He was also charged in federal court on child pornography-related charges and investigated, but not charged, in Multnomah County for other alleged misconduct involving children.
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http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/index.ssf/2018/03/former_teaching_aide_who_abuse.html
Sicko!!
I am very well trained to- and I will be the first to say I will NEVER understand how that sort of sick deviant can go undetected with access to victims for so long.
B
O/T
The Senate Majority Office confirmed Friday that a bill that would have effectively ousted Portland Public Schools parent Kim Sordyl from the State Board of Education is dead for this year.
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/388476-279048-bill-ousting-parent-from-state-board-of-education-sputters?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PortlandTribune+%28Portland+Tribune%29&utm_content=FeedBurner
really hard up politically when
you have to oust critics who were
originally appointed for that very POV.
An now you know T. Ruth why I posted a while back that SSRI class drugs are very dangerous.
They did find Valium in the Vegas shooter’s system.
Valium has been around for close to 60 years. One of the little known facts of that drug is that it’s affects and adsorption into the body can be cancelled by two aspirin.
Most of the problem at Parkland school were created by the “promise” program which prevented the arrests of students that were law breakers. It was and is a federal program set up by the Obama administration so that minors would not be charged for their crimes. These programs exist in a lot of places where there are large numbers of minorities in the school system. All should be cancelled.
The school administrations should Not be making decisions about criminal accountability.
ATG- adding a link in support: https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/02/28/obama_administration_school_discipline_policy_and_the_parkland_shooting.html
As I mentioned previously as part of my MS, I interned with my local juvenile probation dept so this topic is near and dear to my heart. I see both sides of the issue because I have seen otherwise good “kids” become the opposite of that due to drug addiction that really started at home (access to parent Rx) and/or kids in dire need of behavioral health Dx and monitoring. In my view, detention will do nothing to solve their issues, but it does get them off the street so they cannot victimize. That said, with a criminal record in tow- it does remove the incentive to turn their lives around so such mistakes do not preclude a better future. In Cruz’s case, it is just simply true that LE did not flag him, they did not have him in the system although LE was apparently called to his home re his behavior or acts (in one case he buried an assault weapon) over 30x. One cannot deny the failure of that program with respect to him- and his 17 dead victims, and hundreds of others with varying degrees of physical and mental trauma. This dire tragedy was avoidable had he been charged at some point because he would not have passed a criminal background check. That is one of many truths contributing to the incident. The other, is that he was reported more than once- with specificity, wrt the danger of his threats about securing a weapon to carry out a mass killing at the school.
There isB plenty of failure to go around, and I daresay “will” in terms of legal actions.
Look- my view is that program, or others like it, is not a free pass. The way it is framed and supposed to work is similar to adult ARD. Meaning, if another offense is committed, for all intents and purposes, all bets are off and any diverted offenses are “in play”.
B
Thanks for the link B. It does cover the salient points and history of the Promise program.
I agree about all juvenile programs should not be a free pass. However, these so called juveniles all know the difference between right behavior and wrong behavior and they have adult bodies. This puts all students and teachers at risk for harm when they are not controlled.
Many minors come to the schools with a pre-learned aversion to discipline of any type. This is created in the home environment and the neighborhood of their family. Drugs play a large part as do gangs.
Alternate schools could be one solution provided that the student must earn their way back to acceptable behavior. Why are these poor behaviors allowed to disrupt the safety and learning environment in a public school system where those wanting an education are prevented from doing so?
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (KKTV) – A man who was freed on a technicality from a more than 300-year prison sentence was put back behind bars Friday night in El Paso County.
Michael McFadden made national headlines earlier this week when he was released from the Arkansas Valley Correctional Facility in Ordway on Tuesday. He had been convicted of sexually assaulting half a dozen children. His latest conviction was tossed out because of issues in the jury selection process that resulted in a delayed trial. According to the Colorado Department of Corrections, the minimum sentence he would have faced was 316 years.
McFadden, 46, appealed his 2015 conviction, claiming pre-trial delays violated state laws for a speedy trial. In June 2017, the Colorado Court of Appeals ruled in his favor and threw out his conviction.
The Colorado Supreme Court decided on Feb. 12 not to hear the appeal, meaning the lower courts ruling which did not allow the case to be re-tried, would stand.
Authorities learned on Thursday McFadden still had to register as a sex offender for a prior sexual assault on a child sentence in 1990. An arrest warrant was issued. He was arrested at the El Paso County Department of Human Services at about 4:30 in the afternoon on Friday. According to the jail’s inmate search, he is being held there now on a $1,000 bond.
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http://www.kktv.com/content/news/Colorado-man-sentenced-to–475480273.html
Good Lord, this creep has been at this since 1990! Why does he have any rights left in the first place? What about his victims that “if they told” he threatened to kill? Particularly with regards to those who victimize our children, we need a two strikes and your OUT!!!
OT the subj of the role played by drugs of several genres in mass gun homicide perpetrators in the etiology of the crimes has been too tenuous and too complex for me to respond to, although I have been troubled by the suggestions offered. I am prompted to offer some thoughts by seeing a fired aide of Trump’s campaign on “Ari” and others refusing his GJ subpoena. While the press is driven by titillation, I see someone on, he says, an antidepressant with classic symptoms of mania–meaning he was never depressed, or his GP sucks, his dose was too high, he has not been carefully monitored, or whatever. Sx include irritability, combativeness, feelings of invincibility, volubility, poor judgement, seeking out the spotlight of national TV repeatedly, and so on. So sad, as our Commander would say.
I have not followed, and am not reviewing the facts of, the mass shootings cited here, because I am not a professional like Blink and lack her understanding. So all I have is anecdotal memory, having given my attention to the aftermath rather than the foreplay.
First, to malign medication, when appropriate, is to reaffirm Kaine’s story that Terri was dangerous to Kiara and Kyron because she required medication for a post partum depression, and he had to “watch her.” Who knows if it was post partum? Plenty of reason in daily living in that home to be depressed, children and adult alike. So, it plays into the bios’ narrative that Terri did it because heck she was mentally unstable.
Second, drugs are a facile “explanation.” One would expect a mass shooter with a congenital neurocognitive, mood, addictive or other personality disorder to be on something, wouldn’t one? Chicken and egg.
As I read the FL press, Nikolas suffered a bath in utero of drugs by an addictive mother that guaranteed severe neurocognitive damage. his outcome was determined before birth, imo, and he cannot be condemned for that. The State of FL, like other States, can be condemned for not having a guaranteed service package for those zygotes they sentence to birth, and then sell for adoption to unwary older child-desirers. This boy and his brother should have been in the service umbrella of a County “Child Find” from infancy with complete service delivery. And, frankly, that neurocognitive supports umbrella was needed for life. He should have had an all encompassing IEP from PreK, and if it required residential ED placement, well, that was what having adopted out this child, the State was needed to do. The adoptive family was unequal to the task the State gave them. Just having an invented nuclear family does not solve neurocognitive damage, as countless adoptive social workers and their workplaces pretend it does.
As for the Las Vegas man, with an addictive personality dating back decades, if it was not an addiction to Valium, it would have been something else: women (and he had his enabler), alcohol, opiods. They did not cause his homicidal spree. Blink is the expert, but the nature of a spree itself points to the addictive personality. Not a one by one guy.
The CMU guy? Imo it will be found he had a schizophrenic break and suffered negative symptoms preceding the psychoses: quiet, not attending classes, withdrawal from classes, marijuana (can exacerbate schiz.) Yes, drugs exacerbate, and likely his parents changed high schools to get him away from a “bad crowd”, but there was something more there.
Lanza? I myself took my son off his ADHD Ritalin type stuff at about l6 because I felt with adol hormones it tipped the edge towards agitation or mild aggression, and it was not as necessary academically. Now that I realize he was always FAS, probably the meds did nothing for him in the first place. The point is, prescribing professionals need to constantly reeval their subjects, say every three months.
Which comes to the problem. The problem is not the drugs, but who prescribes them, for how long, at what dosages, and to how monitor responses to treatment. My opinion is mood altering drugs (antidepressants, antianxiety as valium) need to be in the hands of psychiatrists only, preferably those with inpatient experience. GPs should not prescribe. Then there is the matter of starting at the bottom and titrating up as observed, and what dosage one gets to, and how to get off, and how to monitor for adverse reactions (like getting manic). One would hope “bad” psychiatrists would be outed on “Yelp.” Unfortunately, post partum depression and its medication treatment is generally in the hands of OB-GYNs who are not trained for that. I shutter to think of the med students and even residents who rotated thru my training ward ever prescribing anything for patients whilst being an internist, ob-gyn, or pediatrician, say, to deal with ADHD, anxiety, depression, and so on. And, those ADHD drugs should not be in the hands of pediatricians but psychiatrists certified in the treatment of children. But, unfortunately, that is not the way the US medical training and practice system is structured.
In any case, we cannot blame the consumer (Lanzas, mother Cruz, the LV shooter) who “trust the doctor.” It is the norm. Nor the drugs for their homicidal acts.
And, Kaine is not superior to Terri because she was depressed post-birth. Her taking of a medication was not weakness but wise. The problem lies in who the prescriber was and how he, not Kaine, monitored her progress.
FTR, I do not consider myself (in any way) an expert in the causation/associated medication/physician monitoring dilemma. As you know I am a former Pharma Agency gal- and I have personally presented to the FDA content for approval both launch and re indication. At one time one of my larger clients was the company who created the software platform used today for physician reporting and sampling analytics. I saw many pipelines crumble in Phase I and II. I felt it important to offer this disclosure even though I never had any sort of access to the proprietary clinical data, etc. My knowledge base and training as it relates to this topic is definitely geared toward analysis of the profile of an offender- so it could certainly be argued that I am virtually the Monday morning quarterback. Ms. “Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda” (you can take the girl out of Jersey but you can’t… )if you will.
That said, the only way I know to learn from mistakes is to be aware of them in the first place. In a way, it is improper for me or anyone else to lump the juvenile offender behavioral and mental health catalyst points together with any Adult (this is not for the purposes of punishment or due process). As you point out, and I am in firm agreement, there are biochemical and most especially hormonal changes (surges, piques, whatever, you pick the adjective in teen males) that can drastically effect and potentially cause contraindications in meds.
Afaik- Kaine’s public commentary about Terri having PPD, and her being scripted for same was a figment of his imagination.
B
@TRuth. I personally wouldn’t take medical advice on antianxiety drugs from this guy, look at his pic: https://lasvegasrecovery.com/dr-mel-pohl-new-position/
His self-proclaimed specialty is management of opiods in treating chronic pain.
His capitalizing on mass murders to profer sound bites for the press is due to the fact he is chief salesman for a private network of companies.
ot Apparently extremists like Alex Jones have been spewing this crap & no doubt more than one deputy who follows him and his ilk is politicizing this:
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/5/nikolas-cruz-avoided-police-scrutiny-help-obama-po/
The truth is Cruz was severely neurocognitively disabled from birth and an fMRI would’ve shown it I bet. Truth is Broward failed to give him a realistic Individiualied Ed Plan from his inception into an Ed setting, as attorney Peter Wright and FL spec ed attorneys have pointed out, and this is the norm for school districts. Broward had a weapons policy and applied it, and no Broward deputy resource officer was precluded by policy from making an arrest any time he observed a crime or had probable cause. Imo Union just masking the terrible response Broward deputy in charge on site made, violating her training and Dept policy.
anyway, Portland PS has enough troubles of its own Board’s making—right now booting a stable special ed pullout program from its premises and dispersing the attendees, whose IEPs called for specialized site and staff, to homeschool inclusion (which apparently prrviously failed to educate them previously or their IEPs could not put them there), to make way for the highly gifted—who imo could be taught at home schools unless Portland high schools are total crap. Kinda reminds one of how the PPS Board of Ed and Supt covered up a child abduction with teacher permission during the school day by a predator.
“Afaik- Kaine’s public commentary about Terri having PPD, and her being scripted for same was a figment of his imagination.
B”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/#comments
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He certainly was an imaginative lad.
Too bad he couldn’t imagine
ruling out an opportunistic sexual predator for Kyron’s sake.
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I’ve been thinking lately the Parkland HS students’ govt reform warpath puts
Kyron’s parents in the sade to imo their shame. They had plenty to fix
in PPS & MCSO & never even acknowledged it, despite having a golden fact-finding suit.
PPD = an easy way to demonize a mother.
Rod n Rees wouldn’t want her to kill
kiara on their watches
Digest this baby.
https://law.justia.com/cases/oregon/supreme-court/1987/303-or-1.html
Miller Nash on PPS defense, of course.
I gotta look up that circuit judge, a bought man imo
ot outcome for that plaintiff
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamara_Fazzolari
7;9/10 AP interview w/Kaine & write up is clearest:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/09/father-missing-oregon-boy-suspects-stepmom.amp.html
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http://katu.com/news/local/was-terri-horman-suffering-from-post-partum-depression
Kaine is a missionary for this storyline:
7/10, katu promulgates, without a byline.
refers to a Good Morning America show w/Kaine & a psych discussing PPD.
The bios appear to have been on GMA July 9. In fact GMA featured them repeatedly. http://abcnews.go.com/2020/kyron-hormans-father-chance-wife-innocent/story?id=11124144
You’re right, the story came from him. And Desiree (re Terri “venting” to her). Terri’s bad luck she was Wife 1. In the news, Porter’s 3 exes had no trouble recognizing consistant spousal behaviors with different marital mates. On reflection, one wonders how similar to Kaine Tony is?
seems to me it was critical for PPS that a GAL for kyron not be appointed,
or said GAL would be negligent if she failed to file a tort action against PPS within the first 2 years.
You know I have not seen any GAL (in capacity) file any civil torts or remedy because a GAL is an advocate, it does not replace or absorb the duty of a natural, adopted or step parent under OR law. That said, it is an incredibly interesting argument I have had more than one in cases of missing children.
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So Reese’s wife is a retired PPS guidance
counselor of 35 years. In my fantasies
therefore, she’s the retired guidance who often posted here but
hasn’t been seen in nary a while. Likely, anyway,
they share some opinions.
….Making it remarkable Sheriff didn’t scrap the prior
investigators & investigation & start again while issuing a
statement clearing stepmother.
I appreciated the Reese’s O opinion piece,
no guns for teachers.
Kantor retired 4/17.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/07/kate_browns_state_lawyer_skipp.amp
He’d just run for a 6 year term in ‘14.
Kantor swiftly became Special Counsel to AG.
https://www.doj.state.or.us/media/doj-bios/office-of-the-attorney-general/
back in 2010, we know Henry wanted to be a Federal judge & made Wyden’s short list, but didn’t get the gov’s nod. Now we see in 2011-12 he wanted something else: a special position in AG’s office (or equivalent) when he was eligible for retirement….to reposition himself for next Fed bench vacancy likely. So of course he’d be politically affable in the Horman case. It looks like Kate Brown wanted him to retire to free a vacancy in Mumtnomah for someone she wanted to appoint before her first term ran out, thus dangled a plum job. It was a fluke 2 others then left. Let’s keep our eye on Henry as he is going places. affirms my opinion of AG’s (in)competence & connectedness politically.
He did indeed!
Interesting development, thank you for keeping up on that Rose.
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Maybe there should be a FB page where people can post about teachers who leave a school because of sexual misconducts, but don’t get fired or arrested. That way parents and students can keep track and see if the student is at risk with these teachers that keep finding there way back into the schools.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/7th-grader-had-a-funny-feeling-about-her-math-teacher-—-what-she-found-got-him-fired/ar-BBK4TEz?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
It is very interesting only 4-1/2 weeks after the abduction that Kaine was giving local interviews and going on national tv (side by side with an opining psychiatrist PPD expert no less) averring his wife had recently (tho their kid was 18 mos old) been afflicted with & medicated for PPD, and dr had told him to “watch” her. That fits the one plausible storyline where the public can envision a mother murdering her child(ren)—Kaine posited to the Court she’d done one & would be ready to do 2, if at different times & places. (That doesn’t fit with PPD though). Kaine came up with his storyline about her mental instability & justification for same mighty fast. And absolutely to the detriment of locating who took him. To me he’s always behaved suspiciously.
Here’s the thing. I do not believe for a hot minute Kaine believes Terri harmed Kyron. That is not just my opinion, I have verified that he has stated that on the record. I have never interviewed him to know how he arrives at that opinion, and of course that makes his overall behavior seem odd- but it is fact.
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re GAL representing a minor in a tort suit against PPS
the pioneering OR school grounds rape case whose link I posted above:
“Tammy FAZZOLARI, a Minor, by and through Ethel Fazzolari, Her Guardian Ad Litem, Respondent On Review. v. PORTLAND SCHOOL DISTRICT NO. 1J, Petitioner On Review.”
aawwwhhh I see that was her mother.
same last name. geeze.
With Desiree supported by Terri & Kyron of an age to state his preference asking for physical custody, the prospect of paying both her & Terri child support, a division of assets to Terri, loss of his house, steroids proof, no one had greater motive in the family & friends group to “relocate” kyron & frame Terri than Kaine, so I don’t get why he was not a greater suspect than Terri.
Ritchie suit still proceeding.
Filings due 3/27.
Mr. Horman waivered back and forth in regard to his knowledge of any PPD for TMH.
Mr. Horman speaks with fork tongue far to often in this case for me to believe anything he says. Another example:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_father_recalls_w.html (July 8, 2010)
Horman said he thought his marriage to Terri Moulton Horman fractured within six months after she gave birth in November 2008, the result of postpartum depression.
Terri Horman was put on medication for the depression, and her doctor told Kaine to keep an eye on her to make sure she was OK,*** he said***. But she wasn’t OK.
“She’s had a lot of emotional outbursts,” he said. “I think it’s still with her. I don’t know if it’s postpartum or something else.”
http://www.katu.com/news/98654424.html (July 16, 2010)
KATU: Was Terri bi-polar, either diagnosed or not? Was she on medication at any point for mental health issues?
Kaine: Not that I am aware of but that would be between Terri and her Doctor.
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Oooops, I guess he forgot what he said in the first interview. I just can’t believe that LE has not caught all his lies. There are many more. Sometimes I think it may be him who is truly under LE’s scrutiny. What does his BAU profile say? Anyway, don’t get me started, I could go on like this all day. Don’t get me wrong, Terri may be just as bad as he is, but I’ve yet to see anything from her that out-and-out contradicts the little verbiage we’ve seen from her. I guess my big quandary is WHY isn’t everyone asking Kaine about his inconsistencies? I’ve always found it interesting that Kaine threw out WW right after they published the article about Desiree’s RO against him. He was even going to throw out the O, but they were kept on. What did they publish just prior to that? Why would any man whose son is missing throw out any news media source? I’m sure the FBI must have something to say about that right?
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http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/11/27/kyron-horman-missing-civil-suit-against-terri-horman-delayed-and-sealed/comment-page-40/
IMO, we don’t know the truth about any PPD or medications prescribed for said dx, unless it comes from TMH herself or her med records. Perhaps Blink has confirmed one way or the other with TMH. IDK
I think the interview of KH & DY that is referred to on the BOC linked page above offers insight to DY more than anyone else. She seems to have personal knowledge of PPD, and I think that’s because she more than likely suffered from it after the birth of Kyron. I also think that is the reason she really took off to Canada (with or without a male friend) and that both her ex-husbands were awarded custody of her children. This is all just my own observation, and it really doesn’t matter in this case, other than it would explain her giving up custody of her boys as well as the guilt she now feels because of it.
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Now, that being said, I still can’t get over TMH giving up custody of her own daughter either.
Sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night and my mind ventures back to this case. (Not nearly as often as it used to.) One thing that will always stand out in my mind was the comment made on a Friday about Kyron not going to be home on the following Sunday, on Father’s Day. That statement, in writing no less, was put out by three of the parents, Kaine, Desiree & Tony. NOT TMH! It’s not like this was the second year missing, or third or this coming 8th Father’s Day without him. This was only like 3 weeks after he was missing!! Why did the three of them apparently *KNOW* that Kyron wouldn’t be with them on Sunday? That statement keeps me focusing on the three of them….not TMH. And further, why didn’t one media outlet pick up on that statement?
Bugs, bugs, bugs me.
ot Portland hotelier & 1/2 of “Oregon Power Couple” appointed Amb to EU, concommitant w/firing Sec of State by twitter: https://euobserver.com/tickers/141293 Good luck, Sondland. At least she’s no longer managing OR PERS.
Since you don’t read there Blink, this is to update you about a purported letter from Desiree that Soldier posted a few days ago. Apparently on a recent trip to Portland “Skyline Administration” (the Principal, school secretary, god knows if PPS Legal knew) Desiree toured the school to confirm her “timeline” and assurance Teri did it (of course). She met with “our team” which as I recall has been her narcissistic euphemism for MCSO deputies assigned. God knows if it included Sgt Lee Gossom, or if the Sheriff knew she was there to meet with assigned investigators (if she did). In the past she has named individual investigators such as Levi, so “our team” is a little fishy. It could be at Peet’s with Soldier. However, she avers that team is still passionate about Terri, and this will be a good year. Arresting & trying Terri seems to be all she cares about, as always. If I were a journalist, I’d ask for a comment on her writing from PPS Legal, the Skyline principal, and Sgt Gossom.
I don’t know what any of that means or how it can be investigatively productive when MCSO is 100% sure Kyron did not leave with Terri, which is also stated openly on a few depositions I am aware of. Why not request a meeting with the FBI if we are covering all our bases. Wouldn’t this be the 8th year of the “this is the year Terri gets arrested” nonsense?
Here’s a thought- How about this is the year Kyron is found, wherever that leads, and we do so by engaging agencies with the training and resources to evaluate and progress a cold case involving a 7 year old?
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if “our team” is mcso deputies, and they self-identify as Desiree’s team to bring Terri to justice, this case will never be solved. Sgt Gossom was Lead that summer of 2010 until Staton said it’ll never be solved at that rate and transferred the case to a Task Force. If Gossom was gonna solve it, he’d have done so in the summer of 2010. Desiree’s keeping the case with these hapless ones bcz they have apparently assured her Terri did it and we will arrest her.
Again, Desiree has “bad advisors” in the
pursuit of her own goal (arrest Terri). A
strategic advisor would have pointed out to her
the Sheriff has been running for reelection with
community photo ops & events since late fall
& the election is imminent. Tho running
unopposed, he would not have refused
a meeting with her and given a photo op with
her to press if she requested. She could have
pressed him on specific steps investigators would
take in the near term — maybe even have taken a
credible reporter with her for a joint interview with
Reese about the investigation. With the upcoming
Sheriff election, imo she missed an opportunity.
@TRuth. re “She’s had a lot of emotional outbursts,” he said. “I think it’s still with her. I don’t know if it’s postpartum or something else.”” I’d have a lot of emo outbursts with that guy too. Apparently Desiree did. And a Kristin dau in her tweets feared they wouldn’t stay together affording her stable housing til she graduated from Hillsboro given some of mother’s outbursts with the guy.!
I vaguely recall she had a complete hysterectomy when Kiara was like 6 weeks. A baby, elem schooler and a tween, all the responsibilities of the home, hours away from one’s aging parents. It can be rough (and is) on even the most stable and healthy partnerships. This was not that. (Yes, the coveted captain obvs award goes to…)
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Well, then, I bet whatever deputies are making her promises
on “our team” asked her not to publish their names.
No sense being publically outed lying to a parent.
I am not sure anyone is lying, but I can say without a shred of evidence, and I do mean, not one scintilla that inculpates Terri Horman. If I were a reporter (and I MYSELF did my diligence)interviewing her, I would ask Desiree if she ever read the civil depositions in the Horman dissolution case where it is clear and unambiguous that Kyron was seen at the school after Terri left.
The way that works (again, involves diligence) I already know the answer to that as well as who HAS…
It will never make sense to me why anyone so sure of their theory (suspect) is so unwilling to request it be scrutinized by the agency the US tasks with, and provides the most resources to, cases involving child abduction. You know, Lindbergh Law.
I had a conversation last year with an Attorney that specializes in utilizing Hague Convention resources to locate missing children for the firms clients. Given the circumstances, (there is an allegation in first divorce of fear of kidnapping and a request for a TRO) she was floored that as the Father has stated vehemently he believes his son is alive and being held against his will as well as being a person of considerable financial resources, he has not “gone that route.”
An implosion of MCSO (I think the second or third?) and a public nightmare of non disclosure in the school system which did nothing to sound the alarm to find this kid when he went missing and openly admitted negligence during a deposition and “ANytime I have seen the potential for so much negligence to spread around the parties potentially, I have also seen the focus shift to non-conspiracy CYA. If everyone thinks Mom did it, that becomes effortless.
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