Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Terri Horman Leaves The House
Portland, OR– Late today, prior to a previously scheduled hearing at 3PM PST, an agreement was reached between the attorneys for Kaine Horman and Terri Horman.
KOIN reports:The dispute between Terri Horman and Kaine Horman has been settled and she will move out of the couple’s Northwest Sheltered Nook Road home Saturday by 3 p.m.
Also on Koin6, via email from Kaine Horman-
When asked via email by KOIN if he believes Terri had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance, he wrote: “I believe at some point she will be arrested.”
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Photo of Jaymie Kay Finster w/comments by her:
http://www.katu.com/news/96769584.html
Terri Horman’s friend condemns rumors
Video of Jaymie speaking about Terry, 2nd poly etc
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Close-friend-of-Horman-condemns-Internet-rumors-96764789.html
I googled Scotty Baker and am sharing since it was mentioned above:
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20104652,00.html
I’m baffled by this timeline. If Terri took Kyron, left the school and did something to him, wouldn’t her unaccounted for time be right after 8:45? I mean, where was he while she was running errands (that she can prove according to reports), tied up in the truck? Then she’s driving around for roughly an hour and a half. Is that enough time to do something with Kyron? She goes to work out from 11:39 to 12:40. I wonder what gym workers there have to say about her demeanor. Was she ruffled? Dede Spicher has unaccounted for time at about the same time that Terri is at the gym. These unaccounted for times don’t match up unless there was a hand-off of some sort and Terri went quickly to work out.
When my kids were little and fussy, I would drive them around sometimes to fall asleep, but an hour and half seems a bit long. I can’t imagine that big truck gets good gas mileage.
Thanks Julie! So the Secret Service might be involved with the material witness in the case; the landscaper and the failed sting on Terri.
Just read this post on Oregonlive.com….is this the Insintel that people believe may be TH? If so, this is kind of weird….
insintel July 22, 2010 at 9:11PM
Deedle – Keep your mouth shuuuuuuuuuut! Hold out just a little while longer.
At first thought this was just a poster being stupid (seems to be alot of BS on that website for comments, which is very sad IMO)…but after reading here, wondered if it might be TH.
Ooops, forgot the website tp my posting in regards to Insintel. My apologies.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on/4053/comments-9.html
I’m not sure if this has been posted; if it has, I missed it. But there is a story on one of the news sites that has some supposed details of Terri’s whereabouts; or what she claimed to be doing the day Kyron went missing. These are not Terri’s words, but attributed to a “source”, so take that for what you will.
I won’t quote the whole thing, but just point out the time frames she claims.
“According to multiple sources, Terri Moulton Horman claims she left Skyline School at 8:45 in the morning without Kyron the day he disappeared and that between 8:45 a.m. and 10:10 a.m. she ran errands at local grocery stores and can prove it.
As KATU news first reported, at least two stores, the Albertsons on Hillsdale Highway and the Sunset Fred Meyer, are cooperating with investigators. The Albertsons confirmed it turned over surveillance tape to investigators in the case.
Between 10:10 in the morning and 11:39, Terri claimed she drove her daughter Kiara around on rural roads in the family’s white truck because Kiara had an earache. She claimed she was trying to soothe the toddler with the motion of the vehicle.
Early on investigators made a request of the public for any video they might have of the white truck traveling on specific roads through Northwest Multnomah County and portions of Washington County.
At 11:39 a.m., Terri checked in at a 24-hour Fitness in Beaverton on Waterhouse Avenue and worked out for about an hour until 12:40 p.m.
By 1:21, Terri claimed she’d traveled home – a distance of nearly 11 miles – and was posting photos on Facebook she’d taken that morning of Kyron standing with his science project and of his friend, Kurtis, standing with his.”
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I suppose the errands are possibly provable if there are receipts or surveillance footage. However, that does not mean Kyron wasn’t concealed in the truck (unconscious or otherwise) or handed off to someone else at that point.
What strikes me is that she claims to have been driving around for an hour and a half in the bumpy backwoods roads, trying to soothe Kiara’s earache? That does not remotely make sense. Wouldn’t she have taken her to a doctor, or gone home? But instead, drives her around for 90 minutes, then drags her to the gym and drops her in the daycare center?
Again, the gym thing should be verifiable, one would think. Someone should remember if she was there and Kiara in their daycare; or at least video footage of arrival/departure. But again, why would you drag a cranky baby who is in pain, to go work out?
Then she supposedly goes home. Home was only an 11-mile drive, yet she says she left the gym at 12:40 and was home at 1:21. I’m relatively sure that it doesn’t take 40 minutes to drive 11 miles, even in traffic.
And I find it very interesting that Terri is “driving around” the backroads from 10:10-11:39, and Terri’s friend DeDe just happens to go absent from her job at 11:15. Any chance Terri was trying to kill some time until Dede could come meet her and assist her with whatever was going on? That’s 25 minutes of overlap there; plenty of time for DeDe to take possession of Kyron or help get rid of a body, considering Terri heads off to the gym and DeDe is still unaccounted for, for almost another hour I believe.
If cell phone records indicate calls between the two women in that time frame… well that could certainly convince me as to why LE might be suspect of DeDe, enough to search her house.
Here’s the link to the actual article.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html#idc-cover
Oh my gosh~ I just got off the webpage Godlike Productions
“My Cousin Has Just Been Implicated In The Kyron Horman Case” referring to Dede Spicher.. So much info on there plus a bit” of BS
But the cousin seems genuine~ His name is Tom Jones , has a mobile auto glas install business out of Clackamas, Oregon… very interesting reading~ You cant help but feel bad for all involved in the Jones-Spicher family~~~~unbelievable.!!!!!
Sorry, one more post! I saw some speculation elsewhere as to whether perhaps Terri might’ve met up with DeDe, and that DeDe took Kiara and Terri’s membership card and went to the gym and checked in as Terri. Thus taking Kiara off her hands and creating an alibi for Terri (by impersonating her), and giving Terri plenty of time from say 11:30 until she turned up at home almost 2 hours later (uploading the pic to facebook at 1:21), to do whatever she might need to do.
It would make sense then, as to why DeDe was gone for an hour and 45 minutes from her job. Time to meet up with Terri, get Kiara and maybe exchange vehicles, then get to the gym. If it was DeDe leaving the gym at 12:40, pretending to be Terri, they could’ve met-up outside, swapped vehicles and Kiara, and given DeDe about 20 minutes to get back to work.
Sounds a bit farfetched I admit, but it’s something to think about I’d say. The idea of Terri having someone else pretend to be her, to create an alibi and take Kiara off her hands for a while. And the fact that DeDe owns an SUV, which is good for going off-road and has more ability to conceal a body, tools, etc., than an open-bed pickup truck.
minima – thanks for clarifying the time of the FB posting. There were so many rumors and so much discussion over them, I got tired of trying to find the truth.
About, the truck, I was just trying to point out that possibly Terri did not know whether or not she was to pick up the science project. Some schools make all this very clear with instructions to parents, and some do not, so it is possible she asked to trade vehicles in case she needed the truck. Also, with regard to the doctor’s appointment, if you think like House will, then these teachers or KATU’s “sources” better have their stuff together. That they thought maybe this or that is not gonna fly in court. (Sorry, I’m guilty of believing almost nothing I read in the papers or hear on the news, I run a fact check on almost everything I think is important.) There are great schools and those not so great. And there are great schools which may have a flake or two as a teacher. (Don’t attack me teachers, I’ve been there, done that.)
I mean, if this goes to the grand jury Monday and they find enough evidence to arrest her it may well be it’s because the public wants blood. Theory colors perception, we all know that and so does her attorney. At trial a “I thought he had an appointment” will get ripped to shreds.
I also find KATU particularly tacky. I thought their revealing that Terri had posted early on was totally tacky. I think they should have turned that info over to LE and STFU. Instead, they are scrambling for ratings so they sensationalize everything they can so they get page hits.
I think the Oregonian has done a decent job with the facts, but my god, the comments are totally out of control. I used to read them, but they degraded into IMing between sick trolls with nothing constructive to say. AND, anyone who questions TH’s guilt is immediately slated at Terri posting. And I think HopeinVA is a play on words. VainHope.
And, Blink, I googled you too. And read all the crap (and I mean heinous crap) said about this site and your work. And I say, F them. I’m a fact checker and an educated professional and this is just about the ONLY place available where there is sincere intelligent discussion devoted to finding the truth! Thanks for caring about children you have no obligation to and thanks for providing others who care a place to discuss, share and mull the information and facts.
Thank you S, I appreciate that.
B
4.momforce says:
July 23, 2010 at 7:44 pm
speaking to ‘mass hysteria’, in Portland, that’s just not true. get to know our community. we are a mellow community, highly educated, with a tremendous focus on our children. Kyron is one of ours & we gather to support him, no one’s losing their heads, unless you read the blogs/comments out there, but they are not our community either, and do not represent our community.
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well said, momforce, i am a portlander too; there’s no vigilante groups marching the streets with torches and pitch-forks. what people say under the anonymity of comment boards is far different than what/how people talk openly. i think that here in portland, people are just very concerned about where kyron is. kyron is the focus. one can’t drive through town and not see a billboard with his face on it, or go into a store or restaurant and not see his smile looking up at you the second you reach to open the door. people here are frustrated that he hasn’t been found, but there is no “witch-hunt” going on. we are a pretty liberal and progressive place with a lot of diverse ideas and lifestyles. this is a place where people tend to think before they speak, and are socially conscious. i think that’s one of the reasons this case has gripped us all, it’s one of our kids, and whoever harmed his is one of our neighbors. just like everyone else all over the states, we just want him found. and if nothing has happened to mrs. horman thus far i really doubt the hypothetical mob is going to go after mrs. spicher. like you said we are “mellow,” and we are concerned and we just want kyron home. and whether kyrons parents or the media are right or wrong in their “tactics” i am just glad that they keep reporting on kyron and showing his face and keeping people interested. and if people like TH are innocent take your life in your own hands and say so! and that’s what i don’t understand, if you don’t know anything why wouldn’t you cooperate with LE? if i was being slanderized by the media unfairly people would have to hold me down and gag me not to defend myself because if i was innocent i don’t think i’d be worried about any consequences of my saying so.
Maggy says:
July 23, 2010 at 11:21 am
I am speculating that Terri hid Kyron and will aledge that Kaine was sexually absuing him. There is an underground network of women who hide children for this reason. Maybe they don’t trust the system or the police to do something about it and so they have taken matters into their own hands. It is the only possible explanation I can think of that could possibly make any sense. Desiree said Kyron didn’t want to go back to Kaine and Terri’s house. It could have been because of Terri, but it could have also been because of something Kaine was doing. Why else would anyone be willing to hide a child and or tell others not to cooperate with the investigation? I refuse to believe there could be a group of women (Terri’s friends) who are in cahoots with one another to hide a child for absolutely no good reason (i.e. to spite Kaine) and risk going to jail. This would mean Terri would have the ability to brain wash someone and you mean to tell me that with all the police activity that person would not have woken up by now?
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I was thinking along these lines myself. Years ago, I think it was in the 80’s, there was a custody dispute between a couple over their daughter that was highly publisized (sp?) because the mother sent her daughter to friends in another country and refused to tell the judge where the little girl was. The woman was convinced that her ex was sexually abusing their daughter during visitation. Her husband was a respected professional (doctor, I think) and she did not feel that the judge believed her because he was still allowing unsupervised visits. She spent a long time in jail for not turning her daughter over and she never did tell where her daughter was. I wish I could remember the names involved, but it was so long ago. I do remember that they were from the East Coast. Years later there was a follow up story that the mother had reunited with her daughter in whatever country she was hidden, however things were still very secretive about their whereabouts.
Anyhow, I thought that maybe TH convinced her friends that something terrible was happening to Kyron and for that reason they are remaining silent. However, after the MFH plot came out and the allegations of being untruthful you would think that unless these people are totally naïve they would tell what they know. I am not implying that I think KH, DY, or TY did anything inappropriate, I am implying that TH might have spun a tale so that she could take Kyron away. Her motive could be revenge for her son being sent away.
Who knows? I definitely felt very odd about TH because of her body language in one of the first press conferences. Today I watched a video of her and her mom leaving her lawyers office. TH was driving and her mom was in the passenger’s seat. A reporter was trying to get her to answer some questions while a passerby was recording it all on his phone. I thought it was odd that TH seemed so calm and cool. I would be a maniac if I was innocent and going through all of this. Just the fact that my baby girl was not with me would be enough to keep me from even being able to drive.
I am sorry that I don’t have a link for the video. I get home from work and start going from one news page to the next because I am sickly obsessed with this mystery. I was the same way with Caylee Anthony. I kept wishing, praying, and hoping she would be found alive and I am doing the same for Kyron. Hopefully things will turn out differently in this case.
The only comments proven to have come from Terri Horman were the RDSQL comments at KATU.
The Oregonlive comments by Insintel, HopeinVa & others are probably by friends of Terri’s and/or her parents or family, however clearly not posted by Terri herself. IMO
hi to all. I’ve been following blink and all of your informative posts for weeks now. We all just want Kyron home. This thing is baffling.
anyway I saw insintel comments on OregonLive.com too. One of them mentioned something about staying up to watch the Casey Anthony hearing and caught my attention. How strange. the way i took the name insintel was more like inSINtel. they like to allude to Kaine’s lifestyle all the time,Terri and her supporters. I can see her thinking that was a clever name.
continue on blink and others. I think this is a wonderful site.
@ Times a wastin: July 23, 2010 at 5:17 pm
FINDING KYRON… and the event and woman are in the same town Dede Spichter lives in… Tualatin. Is Dede a friend of that woman (Beth?) and did Dede get that woman to setup the gathering?
NO, the Beth that organized the vigil has NO CONNECTION to TH or DS, aside from living in Portland.
Calm down, and do your homework.
Blink, cut what you will
I am a SM, born March 14 with reddish hair ( currently colored with what’s on sale). My stepchildren are alive, out of danger, except for their own ambitions. BTW, I also really luv a puzzle – crime story, thriller movie…
My theory is that TH was unhappy in marriage and planned Ky’s disappearance to hurt KH. Did she plan for him to die? don’t know.
What’s with the reports of red mustang and another car racing around SI that day & siting of TH driving white truck entering HW 30? Did she ditch the truck after offing Ky, go home, get the stang and call friend in for a drag race? I’m off on the timeline.
I think DD was called in to babysit Kiara – may or may not know the full extent of Terri’s day on 6/4, but knows something.
Also 2nd Tualatin home may be Kerry Rubio, works at intel, but friend of Terri? Possibly posts on oregonlive as insintel (in SINtel – maybe knows about alleged Kaine affair), asking DD to please keep mouth shut – hold on for a short while. What is the short term deadline insintel is referring to?
Is the current plan that Terri is to run off with Kiara? They are just waiting for the opportunity.
Times-a-wasting: With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? It seems like you’re taking it upon yourself to actively investigate this case, while using this comment section as a personal query tool.
FWIW, I really think some people are getting swept up in the whole NANCYDREW//HARDYBOY aspect here, armed with google and snippets from articles. It’s getting a bit ridiculous. Especially with random name call-outs from “investigative” Twitter feed posts. Give me a break, Times-a-wasting. You’re a-wasting my time.
The speculations are getting more insane by the day: Kidnap for protection to underground railroad….saywhat? This board has gone from intelligent assessment and dialogue to scattered crazy-talk and baseless speculation. K.I.S.S., folks
No offense, Blink.
Lol, O none taken Ava-
I will keep an out for the drivel, but it is also ok to scroll past.
I call it the scroll and roll..
B
A comment from KATU that chills me to the bone: “I understand that the warrants were issued based on “surveillance” of TH’s internet activity after Kyron disappeared. There were also some related emails from before his disappearance that outlined how she (TH) felt about Kyron apparently – pointing out how he annoyed and angered her.”
FLGirl said:
July 23, 2010 at 11:15 pm
“Granted I’m a novice to missing person’s cases; but looking at the list of LE agencies involved, am I the only one who is wondering why the Secret Service would be/have been lending a hand?”
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julie replied:
July 24, 2010 at 12:22 am
“Good question!!!! I looked it up out of curiosity…
Someone in the country illegally often uses the identity of someone else, ssi#, birthdate, etc……thus a false identity.”
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Oh, my. The inclusion of the Secret Service on that list caught my attention, too. And, at one time, the thought crossed my mind that an illegal alien (RS or an employee/friend of RS) could’ve planned to assume Kyron’s identity. I’ve heard of cases in which illegal aliens et.al. who want to hide their own identity assume the identity of someone – often a child – who is deceased. I didn’t make that connection, though, when I saw “Secret Service.” It’s really not a thought I want to entertain.:(
No.
The Secret Service has the best clearance-rated technology in the world for extrapolation of data from electronic devices, and for trajectory based ping studies. In layman’s terms, their technology can fine tune the plus/minus ratio for margin for error between cell towers, in some cases, within feet. This is done with a proprietary system that includes the use of GPS.
What I was surprised to see, was the DEA. They may have supplied the undercover agent?
Lastly, if someone is illegal and using a fake social, the offices of Social Security and potentially Homeland Security would be investigating that.
B
27.Kaylee says:
July 23, 2010 at 10:40 pm
Seems like Jaymie Finster is an extreme exerciser too. She participated in a duathalon in 2009.
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I was reading posts backwards and was shocked to read this after watching the video of Jaymie Finster that Sondra posted on 7/24 at 12:39am. So as not to be cruel, I will just say that I am starting to wonder if all this “gym time” is actually a front for something else or my notion of what woman look like who are extreme exercisers and have trained for duathalons, marathons and body building competitions has been VERY wrong all my 40 years. JMO of course.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html
“PORTLAND, Ore. – According to multiple sources, Terri Moulton Horman says she left Skyline School at 8:45 in the morning without Kyron the day he disappeared and that between 8:45 a.m. and 10:10 a.m. she ran errands at local grocery stores and can prove it.”…
“Between 10:10 in the morning and 11:39, Terri said she drove her daughter Kiara around on rural roads in the family’s white truck because Kiara had an earache. She said she was trying to soothe the toddler with the motion of the vehicle.”…
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At 11:39 a.m., Terri checked in at a 24-hour Fitness in Beaverton on Waterhouse Avenue and worked out for about an hour until 12:40 p.m.
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While I might buy into TH driving Kiara around to soothe an earache (though I think that is a VERY long time), I have a lot of trouble with her then going to the gym for an hour. Her baby was so uncomfortable that she drove her around for an hour and a half but then Kiara was happy enough to be left in the gym’s daycare for an hour??? JMO
1. Who goes grocery shopping and then drives around with the purchase in the car all day?
2. I want to know what she purchased.
3. What is the baby’s nap time?
When my children were toddlers, my entire day was centered around their nap time, and I was commando about it. Phone got unplugged, Classical parents CD played softly. Unless we were visiting relatives where we would of course have accomodations for them to nap there, you could bet we were not leaving the house until after the kids were up from nap.
B
Lisa said:
July 24, 2010 at 12:01 am
“…It is Scotty Baker all over again…”
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Similarities between the two cases:
http://www.examiner.com/x-52390-Louisville-Crime-Examiner~y2010m6d19-The-1992-murder-of-Scotty-Baker-and-its-similarities-to-the
@snapoutofit:
Don’t you think all the RS associates are already under arrest? There are already 2 locked up, one of whom can be traced back to the business address of record with Oregon Sec. of State for RS Landscape Maintenance, a reverse lookup of residents of that address, plus a people-search database for their relatives.
And now it’s just a matter of building the evidentiary case? Which involves determining the status of Kyron, if that hasn’t already been done.
That’s all I know. When Blink wakes up she might answer you directly.
Thanks for the explanation of the Secret Service’s role in the investigation, Blink. I can breathe a little easier for now. This case is such a roller coaster ride! Sometimes I feel very hopeful that Kyron is alive, then new info come out that makes me unsure. I really hope LE has a big break in the case soon and Kyron will be rescued.
@Lillor: Whew! You said it first. I didn’t want to seem superficial, esp since TH just had a baby 20 months ago, but she was thinner after Kitty was born. And we all discussed that. When I read that Dede was also an extreme exerciser w/ no kids, I figured she’d be rock hard, but nothing doing. I saw her arms in the truck and her running in the video–she’s built like TH. She’s an ample woman, and nothing wrong with that (I”m working on ample myself LOL) *but* I don’t claim to be an extreme exerciser focused on fitness. I did stop to wonder what they were really spending their time doing together and if the gym is just an excuse for meeting. I *do* know men & women in the *extreme* exerciser category and 1. I try not to spend too much time with them LOL and 2. they look like they do what they say they do. So just another oddity added to a long list of oddities re: this case.
I’m curious if anyone knows if dede knew desiree or tony also? Did the four parents have mutual friends?
Lilor says: “I was reading posts backwards…”
show off.
for those wondering about the references by LE about October to revisit the possible funding…October is the beginning of the 4th quarter…perhaps they are going to revaluate their budget at the end of the 3rd quarter and make a decision…could be that simple and not a cryptic message of any kind
Thanks for the clarification on the SS role. Sorry, I apologize for getting bum info. Blink.
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“Lastly, if someone is illegal and using a fake social, the offices of Social Security and potentially Homeland Security would be investigating that.”
B
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They need to investigate a little harder…………..the things i see in my job…………….they just need to investigate more or something.
@twinkletoes:
I’ve retrieved my bio from my earlier posting here:
“…I spent my career in community mental health, including both outpatient, inpatient, school consultation, child evaluations; for awhile I ran a psychiatric treatment program at a residential facility for disturbed children, adolescents (and their families). I worked earlier at a juvenile/family court. Have close family members in LE at local and federal levels; was involved in a family business that provides forensics investigations and expert witness testimony. In short, I’m in my sixth decade on this earth and have spent my working life in the juncture of crazy and criminal….”
A lot of my professional schl training was in behavioral research, concentrating on experimental design and methodology. That has provided a scientifically-informed framework to my clinical work–which is exactly where medicine is generally headed these days: towards clinical practice that is evidence-based rather than merely clinical-experience based. Well, wasn’t that was just more than you wanted to know. (the ballroom dancing was a sideline)
I have close family who have working relationships with those agencies that don’t exist (Men in Black). My agreement with them, however, has always been: I won’t ask and then you won’t have to answer, ‘I could tell you but then I’d have to kill you.’
Despite my personal experience–or maybe because of it–I sometimes feel that I have no idea why anybody does anything. Even though I was always considered a fine psychiatric diagnostician with wonderful intuition. And the reason why I’ve avoided the discussions here about DSM-IV diagnoses and criminal profiling is that I’ve always needed at least 3 minutes in the presence of the person before I start the medical coding wheels rolling!! LOL
When – not if – this case goes to trial, an intriguing aspect will be the social media evidence, i.e. comments to online news stories, tweets, and Facebook communications (RDSQRL, HopeinVA, insintel, et al.). LE/DA’s budget for cyber forensics must be high in this case given the immense material being generated.
lillor says:
July 24, 2010 at 9:05 am
Good comments and questions. What I would like to know is if Kiara is on the store surveillance tape. If she isn’t, did Terri leave her in the truck alone (hope not!)- or with Kyron? Or did she drop Kiara off at a friends? Did she bring her to the gym? I’m thinking she dropped her at a friends after she left the school, but who knows? Her timeline could have really tripped her up if one of the friends is saying otherwise and the police would have confirmed it last week. Unless the friend was DeDe and she was uncooperative by backing Terri’s story when the police knew otherwise.
@ lillor…
This is something I keep reading mostly on the other message boards. Not too often here, and always put far in far nicer terms. No one seems to understand why TH isn’t some sort of uber-fit babe considering that she is a body builder. And naturally her weight must be the cause for her emotional instability that led to KH’s affairs and Kyron’s disappearance/demise. I don’t know about Ms. Finster’s fitness level. However, after seeing some of the photos of TH I do understand why she looks big at times and small at others. Body building (particularly for a woman) is an extreme sport. You cannot train on that level and maintain that degree of muscle and that low of body fat except when training for a competition. And when not training you cannot just cut back those calories so you don’t gain fat weight. You have to feed that muscle A LOT or you lose it.
As I myself happen to be naturally high androgen and can get a set of cut up guns in about a quarter of the time my husband does, it’s not easy to get into a pair of sexy jeans when your quads are jacked. I have to be very careful to not use too much weight and keep my cardio very high so that I don’t get to bulky. I gain weight easily too, so a normal % of fat on top of big muscle makes me look chunky. I can understand why she looks like that. And I can also say that when my androgens were really out of control, I likewise was really out of control and aggressive. Before I got things under control (was food intolerances) my PMS mood swings made Armegeddon look tame.
Oh, and @ Blink… nap time was SACRED here too! Anyone wearing shoes risked my hiss-whispered wrath!
Re: my earlier comment, if “Sammy” is a reliable source, sure hope that by “grooming Tanner” they meant his feathery hair. Otherwise I want to throw up. Who ARE these people? If BP is involved, he is practically young enough to be the child of Terri and DeDe. I just don’t get it and am not sure I really want to hear the deals when the case breaks.
When I think of the crazy rdsqrl “liking” and “poking” away on her Facebook, relishing the attention, it just breaks my heart.
Re overweight women who are extreme exercisers: This defies logic. DeDe, Terri, and Jaymie all appear to be heavy set. I’d sooner believe they were in a cooking club. Funny, ironic funny.
To clarify, I don’t care how fat or thin anyone is, but ppl who are extreme exercisers are seldom in the shape these 3 are. Mutually exclusive.
When I saw the post referring to “insintel” from Oregonlive.com, saying, “keep your mouth shuuuut…”, I immediately got the shivers. The name “insintel” has to be a friend of TH or TH herself. Not a very clever cover if you are trying to be discreet. Doesn’t one of TH’s friends work for Intel as well? Maybe it’s a big stretch, but could there be a link somehow at Intel?
TH’s alibi about her timeline makes no sense to me. There’s no way I would just drive my young child around bumpy roads to soothe an earache. I would either take them to the clinic or I would take them home, and not to the gym.
1. If someone has an earache the LAST thing you want to do is take them for a ride on a bumpy rural road. If Kiara had an ear infection it can cause nausea and problems with balance.
2. Interesting that she is adamant that she can prove the errands at the grocery store but cannot prove the drive on a rural road.
3. Also interesting that she took the photos at a certain time and sent emails at a certain time. In a way she is laying out the entire case for the police by doing this. Almost like clocking in at work and clocking out.
4. If she can only prove the errands and the fact that she was in fact home at 1:21 and at the gym, then she had between 10:10 and 1:20. This would have given her almost 3 hours. COMPARE THIS with Dede Spicher’s MIA. According to KGW, “… Spicher reportedly left where she was working at 11:15 a.m. on June 4 and returned around 1 p.m.. Dede was gone for one hour and 15 minutes. This looks like the best scenario and window of opportunity for both if Dede was involved
5. Between 10:10 in the morning and 11:39 Terri alledges she drove Kiara around in the truck. We know for certain she had one & 1/2 hours of time that she cannot account for. Again, compare this with Dede’s MIA. According to KGW, “… Spicher reportedly left where she was working at 11:15 a.m. on June 4 and returned around 1 p.m.. She was gone for one hour and 15 minutes.
6. At 11:39 a.m-12:40 Terri at 24-hour Fitness . If she can only prove the errands and the gym, then she had almost exactly one hour that she cannot account for. If she can prove the errands and the gym then she had a window of opportunity was between 10:10 and 11:40, one an done half hours. Dede Spicher was gone 11:15-1
7. Between 12-40-1:21, Terri traveled from fitness center to home……11 miles. It took her 30 minutes to travel 11 miles.
Looks like there was plenty of time and opportunities
DEA supplying the undercover agent for the sting?
Just talked to “my sources” (not related to this specific case in any way), who said: as a general course, every LE agency that stands to benefit from publicity related to the eventual outcome wants to be able to say they were there during the investigation. So, my sources said, don’t read too much into it. Happens for that reason alone ALL the time. Also confirmed what Blink must know, that DEA has far and away the best undercover agents of any of the agencies Staton named.
As to my own thinking specifically related to the suspects here, as I asked before, where do the folks around the Horman neighborhood buy their recreational substances–steroids, cocaine, pot, etc.?
One other thing: if you want to consider the statistical probabilities of a sex crime related to this case, aren’t we talking about adult male and male child? And at various times in previous months there was suspicious activity around the Horman home. Stalking? Someone working around the school grounds could have been looking for an opportunity around the school for months, perhaps targeting the same child.
Looked closely at insINTEL. Can’t get a read on it, but obviously very pro-TH. But I remain convinced HopeinVa was DeDe. Last post July 14, her computer gets confiscated the next day, and no more posts since, intimate info on Horman family that no one could know unless it was TH or intimate friend. She was the original source of glasses put in mailbox info. I also think if TH were posting any mention of where her ex worked she would not use.
If in fact this note with the glasses did exist, my guess is it was typed on a computer. Is it possible that is the reason they took D.S. computer?
RE #6: It just re-confirms how Terri is full of lies.
Well I have wasted my time reading dedejustdede and deedle
for a day with stuff to do around here LOL
all a bunch of nothing
that woman posts every small detail of her boring
life
I don’t see how she can ever become a farmer on the net posting
nothing all the time
and all this working out running
I think she is just a attention hog
and this case gives her more attention
she must be in heaven with her face on tv
I have always thought all this gym stuff was odd
putting kids in day care to excerise for hours
I always had a bike and treadmill at home when the kids were
young
different folks and all that stuff
any way Dee Dee your sites are boring if you are reading
me LOL
Blink, Will you be adding DeDe Spicher’s name underneath the Kyron Horman catagory on the left of this website soon?
so far, there are these people:
# Kyron Horman
* Desiree Young
* Kaine Horman
* Kristian Horman
* Michael Cook
* Pumala
* Rudy Sanchez
* Stephen Houze
* Terri Horman
PS Dee Locking a dog in a room until his nose bled did not set
right with this dog lover
I call BS on the “Kiara was sick so I drove her around” story. Then why do you take her to a gym daycare? You would have to be a complete non-caring idiot to drag you sick baby to a gym so you could work-out. Nope, Kiara was just fine that day. Terri thought she had the perfect alibi, ha ha ha ha! Jokes on you Terri!
It stated in the marathon video that featured DeDe Spicher that she lost 100# last year and was still trying to get in shape (re:flabby arms??)
July 23 7:55 Woid Goil: Thanks for expressing your concern about my capitals, and your curiosity about my comments, and glad for confimation of my confidence in collegiality of contributors. Anyone who can spell fish soup fancy is above my dictionary. Thanks for offering to apply red pencil to my unclear English grammar, and crutches for my lame ideas… but to help you avoid wasting time unraveling my mysteries… thanks, but No Soup For You.
Sorry, only a few hours sleep and have isolated the target who will soon receive my theories which won’t let me rest; Kyron awakes me. I do believe he is out there.
Yes to the Nose Twitcher, you can start pouring sweat now, without the treadmill. It would bode better for you if you gave the Sheriff (not your lawyer) your notarized statement that you do not plan to and will not commit, suicide,… and publicize it to protect yourself from whomever bought Kyron from you. Be careful, we sincerely don’t want any accidents or anything to “disappear” YOU while little beautiful innocent Kyron is being hidden. What a privilige it is to have the greatest treasure and wonder of the world in your very own care… an innocent unique precious little girl or boy who return more love than anyone can fathom, regardless of your looks, money, careers, age or health… and would love and care for you when they are grown and you are old and flabby, Mz Muscles. You missed it all.
btw, Word Girl, where children are concerned, I don’t trust anyone. Many dots in my theories are obtained through sifting many opinions on many articles. Blink is a magnet that draws intelligent ideas on finding Kyron and events leading to and after his disappearance. I use the same sources available to you and all. No “insider” one-upsmanship smarta*s ego going on here… and I reject clubbiness. Resented it in grammar school and have held a true course. Not my style.
Now, thanks to people responding to my request for name of Nose Twitcher’s first husband, which is Ron Tarver, I found source giving this information which shows Ron’s location as Roseburg, same town as Terri’s parents and where she is staying now:
Ron G Tarver Jr, age 65+ Locations: Saddlebutte Ln, Roseburg, OR
Relatives: Gloria J Tarver, Jill Tarver, Jessica Tarver
Ronald Tarver, age 40-44, Location: Winston, OR
Perhaps Ronald Tarver 40-44 is son of Ron G Tarver Jr age 65+ but no relative shown for this Winston Ronald and no Ron in Winston is included under Relatives for RGT age 65.
I will scan again but didn’t find any Blink’ers replying to my request for Ron’s occupation or job or business affiliation while married to Terri, and after divorce. Hope someone finds it.
Has anyone talked to Ron regarding clues he could give about Terri or Kyron? It looks like he has kids, and since in same town as Terri’s parents, perhaps little Kyron was introduced to his half-brother’s dad and therefore the dad’s kids who would be related to Kyron. Perhaps they played together when Kyron visited his grandparents (Terri’s parents) especially if Terri’s son by Ron accompanied Kyron on those visits… I haven’t seen anything about that relationship. It would be valid information as much as information from Terri’s friends… Any knowledge or ideas???
It’s a pleasure participating with so many on this site, whose hearts are full of love and concern and intense prayers for Kyron’s safe return. Many prayers won’t stop.
HEREBY DEDICATING TO KYRON, THIS QUOTE from Russian poet Olga Berggolts, which was posted by a contributor on another site:
Nikto Ne Zabyt – Nichto Ne Zabyto (loosely No One Is Forgotten, Nothing Is Forgotten)
Might I add… the quote is a specific warning AND comfort, expressing a position held by MANY Russians regarding their history/experiences, now US citizens, and they apply it to disappeared and abused children.
Time a wasting-
1. I do not permit name calling here. Nose twitcher or whatever, is infantile, and it degrades conversation.
2. My site is not a query tool for you, and if I am not mistaken there are many links on here regarding the Tarver/Rockwood’s already.
3. I moderate to keep the dialog progressing, so don’t take it personally.
Thanks
B
I keep replaying one thing over and over in my mind. In the video of the first family press conference where Kaine Terri Desiree and Tony were present, did anyone else notice how Kaine had two fingers rigt up against Terri’s carotid artery and his fingers kept tapping her carotid as if he wanted to strangle her (subconsciencly). Anyone else notice this and what do you make of it?
hey folks it’s “illegal immigrant” not illegal alien LOL