Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Terri Horman Leaves The House
Portland, OR– Late today, prior to a previously scheduled hearing at 3PM PST, an agreement was reached between the attorneys for Kaine Horman and Terri Horman.
KOIN reports:The dispute between Terri Horman and Kaine Horman has been settled and she will move out of the couple’s Northwest Sheltered Nook Road home Saturday by 3 p.m.
Also on Koin6, via email from Kaine Horman-
When asked via email by KOIN if he believes Terri had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance, he wrote: “I believe at some point she will be arrested.”
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for breaking developments.
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Forgive me if this has already been suggested in the comments somewhere. I read as much as I can, but a person just can’t read everything pertaining to this case.
Is it possible that the finer details in the murder-for-hire plot got lost in translation and the landscaper targeted Kyron instead of Kaine due to some sort of cultural/language misunderstanding?
http://thethinkingmother.blogspot.com/2008/07/dr-phil-show-on-child-abductions-from.html
Sunday, July 20, 2008
Dr. Phil Show on Child Abductions from School
While doing a paper filing project I watched/listened to the July 11, 2008 Dr. Phil show about child abductions. The show focused entirely on young children abducted from their schools…..
RE:
V says:
July 19, 2010 at 7:36 pm
BLINK this is sort of off topic. I did see where some folks referenced the situation on one of the articles. Hope OK?
A few days ago LE asked news outlets to voluntarily provide footage from June 4th. One station made a point of including a disclaimer that they as a rule do not surrender their work unless they are forced to comply with a subpoena (I paraphrase).
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Over the week-end we saw a clip w/KATU Anna Song ‘reporting’ on the above mentioned subject,
As I recall, she basically said that for the most part they put interviews etc. on 4GB flash drives (she was holding one) and erase them… she showed a clip of the 7th grader and some one’s parent talking about Kyron,,,
It appeared KATU was hoping ‘that report’ would calm what I expect is a fire storm on both their phone & web site.
Have looked back and forth on KATU site and cannot find it, maybe someone else would have better luck locating it?
Off-topic, but every time I open BOC the last couple of days, I hold my breath afraid that there will be a headline with the words “Kyron” and “remains” in it.
I can’t take it. Blink, could you promise to put something gentler up there if that day comes; it’s just too harsh for this little guy.
Don’t know what that thought is haunting me.
@35.V
Thank you for your in depth analysis and I ponder as you do, on these exact issues. I live just 15 miles from Kyron’s school, been actively involved in particular search efforts for Kyron and have been following this case first hand since June 5th.
Harry Oakes a private SAR k-9 team has been on the Kyron Horman case since 6/28. Mr. Oakes has continually been asking for the family and LE cooperation in his private search efforts to locate Kyron Horman by requesting a “scent article” in which his dogs can use to track. He has received no help from them thus far. Mr. Oakes was the person who found Ashley Pond and Miranda Gaddis in Oregon City in 2002 after 7 failed attempts by the Oregon State SAR teams to locate the missing persons on a subject of interest’s property.
Harry Oakes continually makes claim to the Oregon State Sheriffs Assoc as “good ole boy” politics, huge egos and lack of qualifications regarding search and rescue (http://www.myspace.com/127939120/blog).
I too have many questions regarding the extensive time, money and effort in searching the river and watery grassland’s in the Sauvie Island area for the past 6 weeks?
While Multnomah County Sheriff’s Dept and family continue to make statements that they believe Kyron is alive. Do they believe Kyron is lost and wandering around in the watery grass?
If so why will they not provide a scent article to Harry Oakes?
I did some internet research on child exploitation in Mexico. Due to the rampant corruption of Mexican officials, Mexico is a haven for this type of crime and is also very lucrative to the criminals running operations such as this.
Is there any indication this case could have something to do with human trafficking?
Possibly Terri provided Kyron as the payment for ending Kaine’s life?
Someone started a Terri Horman Support page on FaceBook:
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?ref=search
Mystarz,
You may be surprised to learn that, on the subject of our exchange, I am not a layperson. I’m also familiar with Matt Ridley’s inability to draw proper philosophical/ethical conclusions from what the latest science purports to show. A good, clear read to be sure. But his reflections on ethics are of a ‘Reader’s Digest’ variety. Accessible, superficial, and generally wrong.
Otherwise, you’re right that we should stick to the Kyron case. So I’ll cast no more pearls…
Sondra says:
July 19, 2010 at 7:46 pm
In the article & video from Willamette Week that is referenced in, “Stepmom Moves Into Parents’ House, but First Son Already Moved Out”, it also says this about JM & the situation:
“He and Kaine on occasion butted heads, because James is hard-headed,” Tarver says.
Trouble hit home again when Kyron disappeared. The day after Kyron vanished, Tarver says, James went to the Hormans’ house for a previously planned weeklong visit.
Tarver says on June 8, four days after Kyron disappeared, James called him from the Hormans’ house and mentioned Terri Moulton Horman had taken a polygraph test. It’s been reported that she has since taken a second polygraph. What hasn’t been publicly confirmed until now is that authorities were already focusing on her so soon after Kyron vanished.
Tarver says when James mentioned the polygraph to him over the phone, he heard Terri Moulton Horman begin yelling in the background to be quiet and not reveal anything more. Given the intense media scrutiny, the family agreed James should return to Roseburg, Tarver says.
“It was a zoo, so we got him out of there,” Tarver says. “It’s just been devastating for the whole family. Obviously, the longer it drags on, the less chance there is for a happy ending.”
@Southern Mom & Midwest Mom: re: the texting. Even if MC *had* gotten hold of THs phone and faked several hundred text messages, I’m pretty sure that LE would be able to tell the difference between MC and TH in the graphic sexual photos.
Andy,
You say, “No scientist or physician has yet suggested that the discovery of the sociobiological origins to APD reduces a sociopath’s culpability.” Really, you’ve consulted all of them?
In any case, it does sound as if our views are not incompatible. But for the record, there *are many* scientists, philosophers, and legal theorists who advocate a rejection, or radical revision, of traditional moral categories–as well as views of culpability and punishment–on the basis of human behavior’s (alleged) cognitive determinants. This may not be your view. It certainly isn’t mine. Just sayin’.
@ Zeus
You know, you have to wonder. Didn’t Kaine question her why they were going to the bus stop when she said she needed the vehicle to pick the project up and I would assume Kyron? Maybe the media has gotten a portion of the story wrong.
Kaine: I typically drive the truck and Terri drives the car. She wanted to use the truck to bring Kyron’s science fair project home, easier done with the truck than the car, although she did not stay for the duration of the science fair – per her statements that the media has reported.
Or, wherever they got Terri’s explaination from. I do not believe she is that stupid either. I am afraid that will end up not getting thoroughly explained until after, if ever. Sounds like misinformation or story change.
Even if Terri were innocent, and some Terri stalker attacked them in the parking lot, her story of why she needed to take the truck to Kaine still is off. Is Kaine’s story off for some reason? It would have made more sense if she needed it to TAKE him to school and help him and visit the SF, than pick him up after theory.
I am also very interested in knowing if the red car and truck story that was out very early on SI bares any truth. I believe it was on WS’s, that a local had heard or read. Not sure.
MyStarz says:
July 19, 2010 at 5:02 pm
The Sauvie Island and Skyline ES areas have been continually searched for the past 6 weeks with no evidential trace of Kyron.
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MyStarz, is that a fact or an assumption? I haven’t read that, so if that’s been stated by LE, I’d like to read it. Link, if you have one, please. Thx!!
from another blog..some were questioning if it was from TH??
Kaines plan seems to be working out just fine. All systems go Kaine, set her up, got her out, full custody of the baby, she gets nothing, none of these things would normally ever happen! Soon as the coast is clear you can bring the little boy (pawn) back.
Man with a plan! See it on NBC this fall season
Blink,
Any significance that there’s a Muchas Gracias close to Albertson’s?
Hi~ say somewhere in the back of my mind ~ wasnt there a possible sighting of a young boy in a pickup truck~? I believe the sighting was by a trucker? (on a side road somewhere, I believe in Oregon) This has been in the back of my mind while reading all the posts about Kyron~ and I have read so many ~ night & day~! This sighting was early on~ Does anyone remember this?????
lizzy,
I feel the same way. I find myself holding my breath for a moment to see if I see the word “remains”. Kyron has stolen my heart. I say a prayer for him at night and for all of the missing children/people in the world. Blink, as lizzy suggested, if Kyron is found deceased, please take it easy on us as far as the headline:)
lizzy says:
July 19, 2010 at 8:56 pm
Off-topic, but every time I open BOC the last couple of days, I hold my breath afraid that there will be a headline with the words “Kyron” and “remains” in it.
I can’t take it. Blink, could you promise to put something gentler up there if that day comes; it’s just too harsh for this little guy.
Don’t know what that thought is haunting me.
RE: Karen’s question about Mucas Gracias and:
Blink,
Any significance that there’s a Muchas Gracias close to Albertson’s?
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NO CONNECTION between Rudy Sanchez of R. S. LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE and Mucas Gracias
Rudy Sanchez only owns RS Landscape Maintenance: FACT: if he owned the other business State of OR Business registery would have listed it down below on his license information with RS Landscape Maintenance.
So can we all put this subject to bed now?
http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=1292862&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE
Sorry, you were in spamalotland. Has to do with the server updates I am told.
They could tell me it is humidity related though, and I would believe it
B
@jan
Here’s a hyperlink of the restaurant(s) you mentioned
http://www.muchasgraciasmex.com/search.html
Not him.
B
As far as whether “anti social personality disorder” reduces a person’s culpability for a crime, mental disease or defect may be used as an excuse for mental state in committing a crime.
However, the court generally does not recognize as evidence of diminished capacity: 1. voluntary intoxication from drugs or alcohol, or 2. personality disorder.
Oregon may have a different approach, however.
I am with Kaine- I think there is another person involved. Maybe there was another lover, or a love triangle, or sexual escapades and somehow the gardener was pulled in by money/sex as well…many alt.lifestyles attract pedophiles or other weirdo’s because they know the person already has secrets or is vulnerable to it. Maybe the real boyfriend is someone that has to be very secretive…maybe this person is married and has too much too loose—maybe the LS acted out of jealousy or a 3rd person did? I just wonder if TH was really out of her league and got involved with some underground sex scene…
There are floor plan of school:
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/KYRON/Maps%20KYRON/
AND
check out the photos posted on scared monkey by “Blonde” 07/15/2010
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8203.60
@Eloise
I agree with so many of the questions about why this and that regarding the car and truck switch, but I try to remember we are looking back in time. On an ordinary day, it’s unlikely Kaine would come home and think to look in the truck or Kyron’s room to see if the SF project were home, or to question if she brought it home. If he asked later, she would have made an excuse.) If she had stayed around the school for awhile and then brought it home during the day, Kyron could still have been expected to ride the bus home with his friends.
I can see why, under whatever the circumstances, she didn’t want to go back and get it – just not that Kaine would have noticed. Most husbands (probably people in general) just don’t seem to check up on the details of anything they aren’t responsible for unless there is reason, and at the time, it seems there wasn’t any.
@ Jackie Bauer
The search for Kyron concentrating on the Sauvie Island area has been well known fact. LE, private citizens, local neighbors and SAR have up until today not stopped searching this area. On or about June 28 the MCSD opened up the area for “other than LE” to search. Please read my post regarding Harry Oakes as he was just searching this area yesterday.
There are several links in regards to the comments I have posted in which you may also research. Google – Kyron Horman Sauvie Island, Harry Oakes myspace, missing Kyron Horman on Facebook or even the Multnomah County Sheriffs website/public newsroom.
RE: Karen and Shelly: Muchas Gracias vs Rudy Sanchez, RS Landscape Maintenance….not the same owners…see business license (below) of Rudy Sanchez of RS Landscape Maintence; if he was owner of Muchas Gracias it would also be listed in the body of this bus. license as being owner of another bus. Plus, now we know his physical address and not just PO Box in Canby.
http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=1292862&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE
Futureman,
What’s your story? Psychologist? Psychiatrist? You are a wealth of information and insight. Sometimes I feel like your wise-cracking teenager hops onto the computer to post a comment when you step away, except that I don’t know any teenagers who know of Anthony Michael Hall. Since you’re here incognito, I doubt you’ll respond. Either way, I look forward to your posts.
RE: #19. http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=1292862&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE
He doesn’t own the restaurant; if he did the restaurant would be listed down in the body of the bus. license as owner of another business.
# 19 http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=1292862&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE
Rudy Sanchez does not own the restaurant. It would say so in the body of his bus. license with the landscaping co.
Is there any relation between Rudy Sanchez & Benita Sanchez listed on Kaines friends list on FB?
MyStarz says:
July 19, 2010 at 10:37 pm
Yes, I’ve read all of that. My point was that we don’t know for sure that LE has found no evidence, at least not to my knowledge, and if there were a statement to that effect, then I’d want to read the piece. I think that evidence could exist without us knowing, hence the forensic people working on this. JMO.
@ Eloise & Zeus: I’m as confused as you are about what happened the morning of 6/4. According to a contributor on The Hinky Meter, TH told Mrs. Porter (Kyron’s teacher) at the SF that Kyron had a Dr’s appt & would be leaving before class began. If TH planned to take Kyron, then, why would she leave Kyron’s jacket & book bag in the classroom, then pretend to expect him home on the bus? But, she told Kaine & Desiree of her plan to attend the SF until 10:00. Oh, yeh…supposedly, Mrs. P is hearing impaired. Mrs. P must’ve thought it odd, though, that Kyron’s jacket & book bag were still in the room. If we’re confused, think about how confused Mrs. P would’ve been.
It would be absolutely inane for TH, if she took Kyron from school that morning, to use two conflicting alibis. She may have thought she could dupe Mrs. P, claiming later that the teacher didn’t hear her correctly b/c they were in a crowded auditorium. But, another individual (IIRC, the president of the PTA) saw TH leaving the school at 8:45 & TH herself acknowledged she left at that time, right?
I’m now beginning to suspect that maybe Kyron DID leave with TH & that she (TH) had more of a direct role in Kyron’s disappearance. There are too many contradictions in TH’s statements. Why tell KH & DY that she planned to stay at the SF until 10:00 and afterwards drive Kyron’s SF project home in the truck, but admit to leaving at 8:45, which seems to support Mrs. P’s version?
The only way around a direct role by TH is the possibility that TH planned to stay until 10:00, but was lured away from the school (by RS, perhaps, if he was there). But…if TH told Mrs. P that she was taking Kyron to a Dr’s appt, then TH had knowledge of Kyron’s disappearance (whether or not she was the one who took him from school).
Does anyone know Mrs. P’s reply to TH’s email inquiring when the SF projects could be picked up? The email, to begin with, would seem unnecessary if TH’s original plan (or the version she gave KH) was to bring the SF project home after the SF was over (at 10:00). Was that in fact Kaine’s understanding? If so, TH again would’ve been communicating contradictory information.
Monkeybunny writes: “What’s your story? Psychologist? Psychiatrist?”
I’m a suet processing specialist. After all, it’s not just for breakfast anymore.
http://www.grasslandbeef.com/catalog/beef%20suet.jpg
OMFG, I admit it.
I have not laughed that hard since never. I just woke the house of Blink.
Who knew suet was an actual word? Our family has had an actual pig roast every fall since my babes were born.
That is all I have. No bacon in it. Sorry.
ROTFL
B
ps. Where the Hell were you in Sociology? This is perfect.
Okay look. I have always dearly loved my parents. But when I go visit them (out-of-state), even under the best of circumstances I’m WAY ready to leave after (I’ve pinpointed it) FOUR DAYS. Maximum. Can’t take it anymore after that. As a matter of fact, usually within the first hour or so after I arrive, I’m thinking to myself, “Oh yeah. Now I remember why I don’t like to come here.” Parents can be annoying. (I’m sure I’M annoying as a parent myself). I’m just sayin.’
Anyway, I’m sure you know where I’m going with this. Tomorrow will be DAY 4 for TH at her parents’ house. Pretty soon, jail might seem like a good option…
is it true that you can “become” a sociopath later in life ..does anyone know?
If the answer is No then how did Terri stay out of the radar for so long? I don’t get it & I would imagine if Kyron is still alive she would have told someone where he is by now. If she was just trying to get back at her husband, it was VERY effective.
@futureman
You should stick to you comedy act on this site. As you are a more appropriate comedian than intellect. Your play with words have no factual substance.
@Andy
I still have many questions regarding the Sauvie Island searches. A few moments ago Harry Oakes posted on his Facebook wall that he is continuing his search for Kyron and that he believes he is alive until proven otherwise.
Blink: Why isn’t the news reporting about Rudy Sanchez (and associates)? It seems like no one is making this connection. As a matter of fact, some folks on the the KATU comment section didn’t even realize who the “2nd party” was in the disappearance of Kyron let alone the third party.
I also found the photos of Skyline Elementary school posted on the scared monkeys site and referenced here to be quite interested. I see where the person had drawn an arrow where Kyron classroom was. Interesting to see where all of the parking lots and doors where.
Blink: So sorry about all my duplicate posts and poor spell…Guess I am tired.
W h e r e i s KYRON?!
Totally off-topic but I just scanned all the posts re: Haleigh Cummings to see if there’s an update and I can’t find anything recent. JVM mentioned tonight that Ron Cummings is working a plea deal? Anything to do with Haleigh? Also, Blink, I read that you believe that Ron knows what happened to Haleigh? Do you still believe this? I am stunned. I keep thinking of the coverage of when Haleigh first went missing and Ron was such a mess. I don’t get it. Thanks. I think I need to start a 12-step group for this site…..addicted…..
MyStarz says:
Harry Oakes a private SAR k-9 team …If so why will they not provide a scent article to Harry Oakes?
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I don’t know much about Harry Oakes but I find it odd that he’s so insistent at wanting to be part of this case — to the point of blogging about it on his Myspace page.
From what I’ve seen, he also documents his “search” expenses on his myspace blog.
Hello? Myspace blog, what are we in the 90s?
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendId=127939120
MyStarz writes: “Your play with words have no factual substance.”
Me like english real good!
ok, your above going for the kill shot. Seriously. Make it count because you “got that in ya”
B
Futureman, in one day, you have impressed me with your insight, made me laugh and completely grossed me out. I am vegan. I am scared. Are you writing from prison? No internet in prison….
Blink writes: “ok, your above going for the kill shot. Seriously. Make it count because you ‘got that in ya’”
The genome made me do it.
Knight to Bishop Check.
You know what I mean, and I said please.
B
You’re right, blink. I’m sorry. Sincere apologies to you too, Mystarz. You may not have picked up on this, but I’m a little irascible. Got carried away, etc.
I understand suet fumes can be inherently toxic. It can be removed via shamwow.
Tis all good, carry on.
B
@Jackie Bauer
I agree that has been my question for quite some time.
From my earlier post I wrote “I still wonder if Sauvie Island was only a place in which to exchange Kyron or dispose of evidence. LE may be looking for some type of evidence, but I do not believe from the public data we have thus far, that Kyron is there.”
LE has not said if they have found any evidence of Kyron. Harry Oakes found a sock shortly after he started his search on SI, which was turned over to LE. Later a comment was made on his site that it was determined not to be Kyrons. However, public confirmation of this was never released as far as I am aware of.
Thank you for pondering this with me and I’d like to hear your perspective. Since MCSD has neither confirmed nor denied evidence of Kyron in or near Sauvie Island, yet they do state they believe he is alive. I am curious as to why the search at this location is still so active?
@Ava
lol Yes the myspace blog is dated. He also has a facebook and website where he blogs. If you get a chance research this man for his story is quite amazing. A world traveling SAR team who has found missing persons when others could not.
In Mineral Wells Texas a 4 year old boy was kidnapped by a family friend and held for ransome. The child was found dead. The kidnapper escaped but was later found and shot…
Sorry to bring up the issue of weird photos of the school, but as I was reading some of the more recent posts above, there was a link to some pictures and I am pretty sure that one of them is the exact location of the pic with boys carrying the log was taken. I brought them up side by side and although I would have sworn that the mysterious person with the cap and sunglasses was just a house or building in the background, I do not see anything in this new pic to suggest there is any such house/building there. Here’s a link to the new pic to compare.
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/?action=view¤t=EASTfromFRONTdoorPL-1.jpg
ok, now I do have a serious point to make. Everyone keeps wanting to know why Terri took the truck to the school that day….and of course we all know that whatever she said her reasons were, she lied to the FBI about them and to the LE, right? Right. We also know, per Blink, that she is focusing on Rudy Sanchez and his associates. So, perhaps the reason why she took the truck was to be able to have “the associates” ride with her in the truck and to help her subdue Kyron while they went to Sauvie Island or whatever location they took him to? To me, that would make more sense of why she would have taken the truck.
@futureman
You comments only prove your ignorance regarding matters you obviously do not understand nor honestly know anything about. I found the amazon.com reader’s review in which you regurgitated someone else’s comments regarding the Matt Riley book as your own. Not hard to find – perhaps you should have changed more than just the word “purports”. However as I stated you are a commendable comedian. A fraud, but an amusing character non the less, whom many on this site seem to enjoy laughing at/with. Thank you for sticking to what you appear to do best =)
If I were in Terri’s shoes, I doubt I would be cooperating with law enforcement as of 6/26, either. Allow yourself to imagine, for a moment, that she is not directly involved in Kyron’s disappearance but is “guilty” of making a lifestyle choice (having an affair with a guy who turns out to be very shady) that ultimately led to Kyron’s disappearance:
She calls 911, in fear, asking for help against threats made by this shady guy who is OUTSIDE HER FRONT DOOR–only to find out that detectives are actually working WITH him in a surreptitious sting against HER. Then she further learns that her husband has left the home with their daughter based on information provided by these same officials. I can imagine the shock and (yes) the betrayal she must have felt. From her point of view, LE, as of 6/26, are coming from a “bad faith” perspective concerning whatever she says or does. Who wouldn’t “lawyer up” once you’ve gotten to that place? The Ramsey family got to that place, too, when it came to LE.
Wishing fervently, as always, that little Kyron is found alive, and wishing also that little Kiara is soon reunited, at least in some degree, with her mother.
While I do agree that Terri was in need of representation by then, I think this woman has made her own bed so to speak.
Strictly from a PR perspective, and all you idealists can sigh collectively as you wish, this woman’s consciousness of guilt is not helping her. People will not care ultimately who harmed this child directly.
This is going to lead back to Terri Horman, and people are going to want her head on a stick, not some duped landscaper. That is reality.
I say this because someone needs to inform her that how this goes down is in her control for now.
When Kyron is found, not so much. I just want to put this little sweetie man in my pocket.
B