BlinkOnCrime.com Editorial: UVA Violated The Jeanne Clery Act AND Failed To Report Another Sex Crime
Charlottesville, VA– Late Tuesday evening, prompted by questions by the Editor In Chief of blinkoncrime.com about a recent rape which occurred at the DZ sorority on Chancellor Street, The University of Virginia sent out an alert to students.
However, as required of UVA by the Clery Act, the alert was 10 days late. Charlottesville Police recorded a police report of a forcible rape on September 17, 2010.
The Jeanne Clery Act, founded by her parents, Howard and Connie Clery, is a Federal Law applicable to all Higher Learning Institutions that participate in Federal funding assistance which requires mandatory reporting for specified crimes.
Constance and Howard Clery founders of Security ON Campus, Inc. after their 19 year old daughter Jeanne was brutally raped, tortured and murdered while sleeping in her dorm on April 5, 1986.
Fellow Lehigh University co-eds propped 3 different doors open, in violation of security rules, unknowingly allowing her killer access.
The bill which became a Federal law, was based on the fact that 38 different violent offenses occurred at Lehigh U that the student body was never made aware of prior to Clery’s murder. Had they been, it is almost certain not only would the automatic locking doors have been inaccessible, but parents and students combined would have demanded security upgrades to prevent such a heinous event.
Following the email that went to 23,000 students at 11:01 PM September 28, Allen Groves, Dean of Students, and Lt. Melissa Fielding of the University Police Department, held an impromptu press conference Wednesday, as a follow up to the email alert with some additional background information.
PART 2
Time line Breakdown
9–17 1:15am UVA student attacked from behind, raped and beaten on Delta Zeta House, Chancellor Street.
9-17 Noon- Email Equivalent to “Whisper Down the Rotunda” Begins:
Received a third party email, NOT from the victim, indicating a stranger attack had occurred to a sister, as previously reported at blinkoncrime.com, at DZ House on Chancellor St. We forwarded that on to our endless list of associate deans. They called the Sorority president for more information so that we might begin “acting upon it”.
9–18 Additional Sexual Assault Occurs At Fraternity on Madison Lane 3AM
*Unreported To Students To Date*
9–18 A Robbery Occurs During the Course of Above, Same Frat 3AM
*Unreported To Students To Date*
9–19 A Breaking And Entering Occurs, Undisclosed Sorority House, Chancellor St
*Unreported To Students To Date*
9-20 Associate Dean reaches out directly to the victim to ..”get the details of the attack and also to assist the student. No contact made with victim.
9–20 Associate Deans Office receives call from a female student’s Mother that her daughter was nearly sexually assaulted in a pantry at a Fraternity party at approximately midnight, September 18. Add additionally, Groves speaks to a man claiming to be assaulted due to his sexual preference, which would be considered a hate crime, also reportable under the Clery Act. According to Groves and Fielding no police report has been filed. (Editors Note: If this took place at the same “undisclosed frat” as the 3am forcible fondling and robbery incidents– Is this the same perp? So he never fled the scene? So, we have 2 incidents that have Charlottesville PD police reports, one of a sex crime in nature, and an additional attempted sex crime reported directly to administration on 9/20 within a three hour span, at either the same fraternity, or a neighboring one, and it takes 8 days to notify anyone, and they still have not interviewed anyone at the “undisclosed” frat regarding the incidents?
9-21 Internal Meeting about the 9/17 forcible rape but to UVA, they are “unclear” sex assault occurs, still no contact with, or direct information with the victim. ( Editors Note: Groves says Charlottesville PD has still not classified the incident as a sex assault. (Editors Note: This is ludicrous and utter bs. The report specifically states “forcible rape”. I can tell you as an absolute fact, that members of the sorority AS WELL AS the other sororities on Chancellor sent emails back and forth to alert each other which specifically included details of the assault).
9-21 Associate Dean contacts Cville PD. Was told .. Yes, investigating the incident, but would not be in a position to disclose whether there had been an assault or sexual assault also, at that point. We then conferred with the university police to see if there was anything they could tell us so that we could determine whether or not a sex assault occurred in that setting.
9-23 Sorority Meeting held, without the victim, to discuss outreach opportunities.
9-27 First time Associate dean heard directly from the victim in response to the outreach efforts, first time she was in a position to come forward (out of hospital). Victim had to cancel and has rescheduled.
9-28 “.. Certainly by last evening… after conferring with Lt. Fielding and others I felt we had enough information.. Even though to my knowledge Charlottesville Police have not classified this as a sexual assault..” but we believe we had enough, even though it was not our investigation, it was Charlottesville Police responsibility to alert..” (Editors Note: Not a syllable about the email I sent to Ms. Wood, who was unaware of the incident, and very responsive to me. The alert went out at 11:01 PM, 45 minutes after our article regarding same, was published. In this editors opinion, there were no plans whatsoever to alert students until I requested a comment, specifying it was to be included in the piece we were finishing regarding the fact that the rape had not yet been disclosed as an alert, as required by the Clery Act. This was done to balance what was certain to be seen as a scandalous announcement in the wake of Morgan Harrington and Yeardley Love murders, and days after the University’s “Day of Dialogue.” I felt they should certainly be offered an opportunity to address the issue from their perspective, the email was their response to that invitation).
Clearly A Clery Violation… Again
The Articles for reporting within the Clery Act are unambiguous. While I understand the need to alert students and parents with credible and useful information, this is not for UVA officials to decide unilaterally. In fact, it is not for them to ever need to “corroborate” or interview a victim regarding the details of any crime committed against them as identified in the Clery Act for UVA to observe the requirements of them under the Federal law.
In short, they have their own police. They have their “online form”. They have Charlottesville PD police report direct feed.
In 2004, The Board of Education found that UVA violated the Clery Act by requiring a rape victim to sign a confidentiality agreement, but gave them a pass by not imposing sanctions because there was some confusion as to the reporting rules and protocol. UVA was informed they will be assessed a $27,500 sanction fee for any future violations.
As I am certain many of you are over my bloviations about the subject, and in the interest of disclosure, I have personal ties to Lehigh University.
Also in the interest of disclosure, I am embarrassed to say that I was not aware that Ms. Clery’s murder occurred there until researching the Clery Act.
Some Posts from members of your local community for consumption, I will be updating poignant comments.
Blinkoncrime.com Poster Starbucks:
Regarding the “off grounds” issue, I’m sorry but I find University’s excuses in this area ludicrous and totally disingenuous.
The Clery Act, passed in 1990, unambiguously provides that its reporting requirements are not limited to crimes occurring on campus/”Grounds.” The University has had twenty years to figure out how to comply with this law, and yet its officials act as dumbfounded as ever. One would think that UVA is the only school in the nation with a significant portion of its student body living off campus/Grounds, but in close proximity to the University. Of course, this situation is commonplace.
If UVA is having such a difficult time dealing with the “off grounds” issue, I suggest that President Sullivan get in contact with the appropriate officials at her previous institutions. Sullivan spent most of her career at the University of Texas where 80% of its undergraduate student body lives off campus, as opposed to 57% at UVA. She then spent about four years at the University of Michigan where 37% of its undergraduates live off campus. There is no need to reinvent the wheel here; if UVA officials can’t figure out how to report crimes occurring near its campus, they should go study how other universities are dealing with this perplexing problem.
The implication that there is no communication between the Charlottesville Police and the UVA police/campus officials simply stretches the bounds of credulity.
UVA is required by the Clery Act to provide:
(C) A statement of current policies concerning campus law enforcement, including—
(ii) the working relationship of campus security personnel with State and local law enforcement agencies, including whether the institution has agreements with such agencies, such as written memoranda of understanding, for the investigation of alleged criminal offenses; and
(iii) policies which encourage accurate and prompt reporting of all crimes to the campus police and the appropriate law enforcement agencies.
I can’t seem to find UVA’s policies in this area. I challenge the University to prominently publish all of the required Clery Act policy statements on its website.
UVA is on notice:
“This determination finds that the University violated the Clery Act. However, as was noted in our July 2004 Final Determination in another case, there was apparent confusion in the higher education community regarding the intersection of the disclosure requirement under the Clery Act and the strictures of FERPA. For this reason, the Department will not impose any fines or other sanctions at this time. However, UVA is advised that any subsequent violations of the Clery Act will result in a referral for the imposition of a civil penalty up to $27,500 per infraction.”
http://federalstudentaid.ed.gov/datacenter/cleryact/uva/UVAProgramReviewReport11032008.pdf
So please UVA, stop the excuses and clean up your act now.
Madeline Tanner, Elizabeth Morton, contributing editors
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The more i think about this, the more it is clicking for me. Most likely, I am way, way off. But, could the fact there is no footage of Morgan actually be the biggest clue of all? Sometimes it’s not what you find, but what you don’t find.
This all seems a much more plausible explanation than all of these series of events playing out the way that they did out of pure bad luck.
Surely a security guard would know how to cover his tracks, not attract attention, basically act unnoticed, and have the means to eliminate any evidence (footage).
Once outside, when he finally found the right moment, could Morgan have even thought she was being arrested?
I’m sure she would have shared this in her conversation with the BB players.
I have to ground myself because I am having what I know to be a false sense of a light bulb going off.
Well who needs to watchTV when one can come to BOC it’s a wild and wooly ride folks!!
IMO dear Morgans demise set a whole other avalanche loose amongst us all. WOW!!
Shake shake shake it’s gonna take an earthquake……
Change is gonna come.
“Everybodys’ gotta serve somebody” in the words of Bob Dylan, who is rich enough and powerful enough and has endless song royalties rolling in about people who done wrong and people done wrong by. God I love that guy and even HE begrudgingly admits “everybodys gotta serve somebody” awful but it’s true in this dog eat dog world and he owns lots of cows lol!!
SO!! How to effect change? Well one way is to conduct an open dialogue between smart and passionate people who give a damn about their country and their fellow man/woman regardless of political party or church more like our beloved and wise Texas Grandfather says when he talks about watching out for each other, for our fellow man. I loved your post TG when you talked about UVA having the chance to become a “beacon of shining light” for change, accountability and safe passage for our precious daughters. You are so smart and such a big softhearted man I am so glad you are here with us. We need stand up men around us why should Dan Harrington have to bear the weight of all of this mess on his shoulders not to mention Gil.
And Dean Groves thank you for taking the time and stickin your neck out sweater vest and all to talk to us here at BOC. I hope you are still reading and realize ultimately we want to heal not hurt here and are so willing to step in and help you to figure out how to instigate much needed change at your historic and venerable university of higher learning. We do realize everyones hands are tied in some way.
But I see an opening right now with a new Chancellor at the helm,a woman no less, who is well versed in womens’ issues.
A chance for real CHANGE and leadership.
I am not an academic, I did not go to the finest school. I was educated like Van Morrison likes to say, in the “school of hard knocks” I have dedicated my life to music ,rock and roll music, and learned a bit along the way.
Some say Rock and Roll is dead …but I disagree. Besides the pleasure that authentic music brings to people, the thing that inspires me so much is that good rock, good blues, good folk, good ( Johnnie cash) country music, challenges the status quo , makes us feel , sit up and think, dream and live.
Morgan went to a Metallica concert, she was excited, her stellar dad bought the tickets, NONE of this should have happened to that shiny girl.
I have faith that together here somehow we are effecting some sort of positive change. Morgans’ love of music and life is tangible, and in effect, in some inexplicable way.
Thank you MSL for speaking from your heart , you too Mom3.0 you have become so skilled at all of this, my misty mountain friend. Acho so glad you are here and Eloise I have grown to depend on your oh so solid research and earthy presence. George you crack me up you are so on point and refreshing!!
All of you really too many specail names to mention ,you know who you are …keep coming back the parts are greater than the whole.
I promised myself I would not post tonight, that i would take Blinks advice and hold back a little lol!!
Well so much for that …..don’t know how to shoot like Blink but got an itchy finger on the trigger!!
Ok, this may be detouring off topic, but the headline linked above “Lynchburg man living in a tent arrested as one of the nation’s most wanted child predators” baffles me. Not to diminish internet porn of minors–it is a serious and disgusting crime that feeds even more serious and disgusting crimes.
But is that all he is wanted for? With all the horrible things that are done directly to children, wifi actions rate him as one of the nation’s most wanted child predators?
Surely there’s more behind this than what was in that report?
At least he is off the streets. Sigh.
PS I nearly lost that post it just kinda disappeared and I was about to have a fr…g fit!!
I mean dinner needs to be cooked , the Halloween decorations put up , tomorrows school lunches made.
And I’m here communicating to a bunch of strangers on line who I have come to love and learn from.
Thank God I found this latest missive. Forgive my itchy edgy trigger finger…over and out
PEACE J4M xoxox
Msl
It has been over fifty years since I was in college. These young people today do not have the same value system as did my contemporaries. To think that they would just party till they pass out and then wake up like it was an everyday event is beyond my comprehension. You seem to think that it happens and I believe you.
Of course, we didn’t have all the forms of dope that adds to the alcohol problem. Pot was unknown and amphetamines were not even in prescription or over the counter medicines.
Pot is a product of the 1960′s and the harder stuff is a direct product of Hollywood and many of the travelling rock bands. Some of the big bands of the thirties and forties had a few problems with people on dope. Those people didn’t last long because unlike playing a non-wind instrument, the air controll required goes away and with it goes the ability to play professionally.
Kidnappers often do not kill a victum for a long time. Sometimes keeping them for years. It depends on whether or not they have a place where the victum or the perp cannot be found or recognized. So, I am for getting the notice out as soon as possible.
Concerned Mom says:
October 4, 2010 at 12:41 pm
12.fish says:
October 4, 2010 at 12:43 am
Now, does anyone have any thoughts on Taylor Gap?
As in the road?
****************************************************
“If they were trying to drive to Blandemar farm without going down 29 South, the best and fastest way (all on back, dark, empty roads) would be to head out 250 West, take Dick Woods Road,which takes you to Taylors Gap, which leads straight to Blandemar.”
*Thank you Concerned Mom!
From one concerned mom to another.
That was my point. One wouldn’t need to haul it down Monacan/Rt 29 to Red Hill. This is an individual that knows, knows, knows North Garden. What if you had someone in your car that shouldn’t be there. Would you risk a major road or a dark back road?
Someone didn’t learn of that farmland in the past two years. They knew it for a long time. That night was dark, rainy, and chilly. ConcernedM, you and I both know how dark it gets around here.
There are no city lights. Just aren’t.
HE knew the way to get back there intimately.
His family is here. imo
What about Mrs. Rosenteil? I would imagine if I were her, I would reevaluate all under my payroll! STAT! I would also imagine that I would reach out to her.
“Even older ladies who live in a shoe with more money than they know what to do…feel a family’s loss.” per fish
I know this for a fact.
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“It is going to be the girl that would not give him a second glance, I would not be surprised to learn he hears her (imagining) taunting him in his mind.”
I showed this to my kid. Why, I don’t know. I watched her walk into a convenience store the other day & even with all my “nagging”, she didn’t even look around her. Couldn’t tell me who was in that store. She was just focused on what she was doing.
Yikes, I was shocked!
Kids still do not listen and I’m saying that because it is my own! Of all kids she should be more aware. They just need to be reminded and reminded and reminded. Maybe that manditory course in personal safety would be a good thing for high schoolers as well as college-age.
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Then if I believe HE was in earshot of Morgan then he must have had a vantage point of where she went next…
Did Mr. Kickee say that he saw anyone acting out of the ordinary, or a JPJA security person, or an off duty or even someone on duty go to Morgan’s aid or did he say anything about someone watching her and she scuffs him off?
Is he the scuffle Grandma witnessed or did he see the scuffle?
How does he have an actual interaction with her but knows nothing else? Or sees nothing else?
Or did he?
I’m confused on this one.
&&&
This morning…
No matter what anyone’s view point is on Lt. Joseph Rader, I for one am going to believe that he feels this right down to “his very soul” of his being.
Maybe I am putting him in the same league as that State Police Officer who held my Dad or that detective who helped me up off a curb when I was wet, cold, scared, and knew that I had to go back to her parents and tell them we couldn’t find her.
Yep, maybe I’m wrong but I don’t think so.
This man is going to solve this.
Either him or one of you!
@ George
Do some research on UVa’s fraternity system in order to spare us the misinformation. By your admission, your impressions of “reputation” are some thirty years stale. Furthermore, the IFC and not the Dean of Students would impose “probation” the terms of which always includes punishment. The IFC judiciary committee requires an investigation, a hearing, due process and so on.
Or the student-run University Judiciary Committee could bring charges against individual students. They would have to receive a complaint first alleging misconduct by other named students.
Good morning, all!
Here’s a college that got it right…
“About 12:30 a.m. Sunday, the college issued a “Maroon Alert,” a text message that warned of an assault on campus.”
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/262786
Let’s pray for the safe return of this little 8 year old girl
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/05/california.child.taken/index.html?hpt=T2
I’m not going to quote directly because I just don’t have time to go back and re-read every comment, but when I made my comments someone pointed out that this discussion is about the University of Virginia. Are we so single minded that while seeing the faults here locally, we can’t consider, do these same faults exist closer to home? I did not ask posters to air your own community’s dirty laundry, but I did ask that you take a look at what might be going on in your own backyard, and just possibly, you’ll find you don’t like what’s happening there any more than what you see or think you see in Charlottesville, Albemarle County and at the University. Competition between colleges is huge, and I am not talking about their sports programs. That endowment money has to come in, students have to want to come to campus. This environment, as in any business environment, means trying to put the best foot forward. Doing so shouldn’t be at the risk of students’ well being, but if that’s what you see happening at UVA, do you really thing it’s not happening elsewhwere, perhaps at your own college? If you want to concentrate solely on UVA, that’s fine with me. Don’t be surprised though, if one day you will wish that while you were investigating every name that raises your hinky meter in Charlottesville and surrounding counties, while you are trying to pull up every bit of information about how the University deals with its students in cases of domestic or sexual assault, you will wish sometime in the future that you had put the same effort into your own piece of this great country. Maybe you are, and if so, I really applaud your efforts. As you question UVA policies, don’t be single minded, realize that UVA is not unique, whatever problems exist here very likely exist on your own college campuses. If those thoughts bother some of you, them I am sorry. I wish all of you the best, I wish your communities the best, and I wish your colleges the best, exactly what I want for my own area.
Again, not quoting, but someone on the other UVA thread said that concentration should return to Morgan. I don’t completely agree. It’s possible that some of the violence directed at UVA students could provide what until now has been the missing link. Mr. Arnold, obviously, had no involvement in Morgan’s death, he was in jail last October. There have been other incidents that, if solved, could provide clues, maybe even the big break. Morgan, on October 17th, was in the position of several of the women who were recently attacked. Walking alone, on or near UVA grounds. I doubt that the attacker(s) care whether or not the person they prey upon is a student, what they see is a target. The young woman attacked near or on sorority property could have very easily been another story similar to the Fairfax attack, or worse another Morgan.
Great Point.
For starters, everyone is aware that Morgan Harrington presumably a victim of rape (per Gil) was not the only one from October 17, 2009 in the area.
B
correction-The young woman attacked near or on sorority property WAS a story similar to the Fairfax attack…….
I have a sort of profile like question for you Blink. Totally hypothetical of coarse.
When examining the type of perp that committed a brutal rape and murder of a woman. If, their prior bad acts are of a lesser offense such as traffic related, bad checks, possibly even assault. If they have now progressed to this level of brutality, does that guarantee from all prior statistics, they would only perform this same level of attack in the future? I mean do they ever have an unplanned escalation and not go back? Maybe some untoward event occurred leading to this in their mind. Or, is that the reason it escalates?
I mean, I know how they dont get off over time and need to proceed to fufill whatever sicko thing needs fufilling. But, unhypothetically, are we to assume Morgan’s perp will continue on this level of crime?
I think your question is to broad to be hypothetical, but is of course important.
I would have to have as much background as possible to that profile to answer it intelligently before giving my opinion.
To address whether or not the profile type of Morgan’s killer will continue at the level of heinousness, the answer is yes, absolutely.
B
Judi, unless H&H Security was working for one of the bands, I do not believe there’s been any evidence that they had any security responsibility that night. I don’t know the official name, but RMC Security out of Richmond provides security for the arena, and I believe also football games. I don’t know for a fact that they don’t out source, but my guess is that LE has investigated everyone providing security that night up, down, inside and out. VSP is the primary investigative arm and the FBI has been been involved in some capacity. I doubt that security footage could be erased or destroyed without some evidence of tampering remaining. Could it have happened and we’ve not been told because of investigative reasons, maybe so, but I just don’t believe it happened with all of the agencies working on the case being completely clueless. I mentioned “hinky” meter above. Just my own opinion, but I would guess that serious, longtime investigators have very strong “hinky” meters working overtime. If not, I wouldn’t consider them serious investigators.
They are an approved vendor for security services at UVA.
They have nightly engagements all over Cville.
RMC can and does use other security (non-specific) for scalable events.
JPJ utilized off duty LE, regular UVA PD patrols RMC and The bands own security the evening of October 17, 2009.
Moreover, The President of RMC is a board member of the Private Security Section of the VA DOJ.
B
rvrb says:
October 5, 2010 at 7:45 am
@ George
“Do some research on UVa’s fraternity system in order to spare us the misinformation. By your admission, your impressions of “reputation” are some thirty years stale. Furthermore, the IFC and not the Dean of Students would impose “probation” the terms of which always includes punishment. The IFC judiciary committee requires an investigation, a hearing, due process and so on.
Or the student-run University Judiciary Committee could bring charges against individual students. They would have to receive a complaint first alleging misconduct by other named students.”
I guess I am 30 years stale, at least. I didn’t realize the concept of a good reputation changed with the years, or changed at all. But do it your way. Or don’t do it at all, which seems to be the usual route taken. Consider yourself spared.
To Hummingbird:
I love this quote from you….”Besides the pleasure that authentic music brings to people, the thing that inspires me so much is that good rock, good blues, good folk, good ( Johnnie cash) country music, challenges the status quo , makes us feel , sit up and think, dream and live.”
Can I post it on my fridge? It’s a winner.
J4M
O/T For all those having Internet Service Problems…I’m wondering if you have Verizon? Many folks here in NO VA who are with Verizon are loosing service every time it rains…which has been a lot lately.
Blink, so does that mean that LE would not have investigated as a first step, security personnel? Maybe I’m naive, but I would think the first and easiest people to eliminate or identify as possible suspects in such an investigation would be the people who were on the payroll of all entities involved in the event. I am fully aware that H&H Securities is on the approved list for UVA events, I believe as a minority business. I read it here. When I ask questions, I’m not always trying to dispute what someone else has written. Often times, it’s really a question to which I do not know the answer.
Point taken. As a general rule, yes. I struggle with how to answer some of the more direct questions without appearing as if I am pointing a finger or giving away information, so I apologize for that, but it is necessary.
So as a general statement, LE Investigates the information they glean. Based on the net of those investigative efforts, they branch outward appropriately.
I think there was the investigation BEFORE Morgan was found, and then January 26th through now.
B
@ Judi
Great news on the 8 year old little girl! She was found because people got involved! Read the link everyone…we all need some good news!
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/05/california.child.taken/index.html?hpt=T2
6.fish says:
October 5, 2010 at 7:34 am
Concerned Mom says:
October 4, 2010 at 12:41 pm
12.fish says:
October 4, 2010 at 12:43 am
Now, does anyone have any thoughts on Taylor Gap?
As in the road?
****************************************************
“If they were trying to drive to Blandemar farm without going down 29 South, the best and fastest way (all on back, dark, empty roads) would be to head out 250 West, take Dick Woods Road,which takes you to Taylors Gap, which leads straight to Blandemar.”
*Thank you Concerned Mom!
From one concerned mom to another.
That was my point. One wouldn’t need to haul it down Monacan/Rt 29 to Red Hill. This is an individual that knows, knows, knows North Garden. What if you had someone in your car that shouldn’t be there. Would you risk a major road or a dark back road?
Someone didn’t learn of that farmland in the past two years. They knew it for a long time. That night was dark, rainy, and chilly. ConcernedM, you and I both know how dark it gets around here.
There are no city lights. Just aren’t.
HE knew the way to get back there intimately.
His family is here. imo
What about Mrs. Rosenteil? I would imagine if I were her, I would reevaluate all under my payroll! STAT! I would also imagine that I would reach out to her.
“Even older ladies who live in a shoe with more money than they know what to do…feel a family’s loss.” per fish
I know this for a fact.
&&&
“It is going to be the girl that would not give him a second glance, I would not be surprised to learn he hears her (imagining) taunting him in his mind.”
I showed this to my kid. Why, I don’t know. I watched her walk into a convenience store the other day & even with all my “nagging”, she didn’t even look around her. Couldn’t tell me who was in that store. She was just focused on what she was doing.
Yikes, I was shocked!
Kids still do not listen and I’m saying that because it is my own! Of all kids she should be more aware. They just need to be reminded and reminded and reminded. Maybe that manditory course in personal safety would be a good thing for high schoolers as well as college-age.
&&&
Then if I believe HE was in earshot of Morgan then he must have had a vantage point of where she went next…
Did Mr. Kickee say that he saw anyone acting out of the ordinary, or a JPJA security person, or an off duty or even someone on duty go to Morgan’s aid or did he say anything about someone watching her and she scuffs him off?
Is he the scuffle Grandma witnessed or did he see the scuffle?
How does he have an actual interaction with her but knows nothing else? Or sees nothing else?
Or did he?
I’m confused on this one.
&&&
This morning…
No matter what anyone’s view point is on Lt. Joseph Rader, I for one am going to believe that he feels this right down to “his very soul” of his being.
Maybe I am putting him in the same league as that State Police Officer who held my Dad or that detective who helped me up off a curb when I was wet, cold, scared, and knew that I had to go back to her parents and tell them we couldn’t find her.
Yep, maybe I’m wrong but I don’t think so.
This man is going to solve this.
Either him or one of you!
***************************************************************
Fish is exactly right. If you had someone in your car and you did not want her seen, you would most definitely head out Dick woods to Taylors Gap to Blandemar. Completely dark, empty roads.
I have been to a home for dinner several times in Blandemar and that is the way my husband always takes. Never down 29 south.
Group Question: How does this fit if the primary crime scene is a vehicle, say for instance, a van?
B
IMO, H&H did not have to be working security at all on October 17. They knew there would be a lot of action given the bands and amount of concert goers. My feeling is that they are SUCH cop wantabees that they insert themselves in all kinds of situations where they can be buddy buddy with real police officers. Maybe it makes them feel more important. Maybe they knew there would be many vulnerable victims. They have the security outfits and cars. They blend in. Who is going to walk up to them and start questioning why they are even there? They wouldn’t.
Is anyone aware that H & H has a cruiser that is identical to Cville PD with the exception that it has H & H security on the side? At night, you would never know the difference.
B
Katie
There are several possible reasons for lose of internet. Rain will sometimes put enough water into a cable to provide a cross-talk path between pairs. This will cause so many retries that the time to live counter in a message segment will time out. Result is you cannot get a reliable signal and thus no internet.
The other is the possibility that Verizon is using a microwave tower to make one or more hops between cable segments and heavy rain will block the signal. Your recent experience with very heavy rain from the storm is an example.
Your telephone plant is very old with some new parts to convert to fibre optics so the last mile to your residence or business could be the reason.
There is a whole lot more than the above. Yes, I worked on this stuff for about 20 years.
Hummingbird
Thanks for the compliment. I do certainly want UVA to become what I said. If the administration will finally admit they have a problem and make a real commitment to turn it into something good, I would be a big cheerleader. In order for that to happen, a whole cultural change must take place in the university and the community of Charlottesville. This will not be something that can happen overnight. There will be some successes and some failures. The important thing is to keep trying and to turn failures into success.
There is nothing like music to sooth the soul in times of stress. Good music in all styles, either by listening or performing is wonderful.
From B: “Is anyone aware that H & H has a cruiser that is identical to Cville PD with the exception that it has H & H security on the side?”
Yes, but only because of your expo and link to the picture; one picture on H&H website even looks as if it has lights. http://s579.photobucket.com/albums/ss235/hhbail/Staff%20Photos/?action=view¤t=RODHHSECURITYINSTATEPOLICECARKIDSDA.jpg
It’s pretty frightening.
Cville PD cruisers are black and white. To date, I have not seen a pic of that particular vehicle in any of HH info.
Here is a Cville PD Cruiser:
http://media.photobucket.com/image/Charlottesville,%20VA%20police%20cruisers/nerdlydood/cop%20car%20fotos/char101.jpg
Oh, so you were saying they have one with almost identical coloration as a C-Ville PD cruiser?
I suppose one could be purchased through surplus auction sales. For example, here is one for sale in OH (still states police):
http://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemID=51&acctID=646
http://collegeprowler.com/university-of-virginia/health–and–safety/
I have NO IDEA how credible the above link is–it is obviously not completely accurate because no crime stats are listed. Of particular interest to me were 1) no crime stats (UVA gets a C plus for health and safety)
2) the comments made by students regarding crime seemed naive and uninformed 3) What the heck is the 70 some odd extra security folks listed in addition to the campus police–who are these extra security?????
Just been perusing and carousing around the internet and the recesses of my brain. I want resolution and change. NOW, please.
MsL–Hopefully by now you will have read the posts of the good-hearted Blinkers who do, indeed, keep an eye on their own communities (and those where their children and families are living). Right now there is a major issue in the Charlottesville area. We are making progress in the pursuit of justice there at this time. It makes sense to see that mission through, while keeping an eye on the turmoil in our own areas.
If a group of smart and compassionate people with guts of steel would turn their attention to crime in my community–wow, that would be heaven-sent! And I would be infinitely grateful.
Take a look a the stats for blinkoncrime:
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This is not some clique of readers who want to denigrate a fine university and a beautiful part of this country. Not at all.
We want justice for the crime victims, coupled with increasing awareness of said crimes, and to empower the community to live more safely in this dangerous world.
MsL stated:
“…and have a you will wish sometime in the future that you had put the same effort into your own piece of this great country.”
Dear UVA student,
Thanks so much for writing and responding to Mom 3.0′s good questions.
I appreciate the time you took to do that. It is especially gratifying to read the way you all went about discussing the situation with others.
I hadn’t really thought about the privacy issues that would arise and the “don’t tell anybody, but it was (name here) from (location)…” which would then get blabbed everywhere. Brava to you and your community for that sensitivity.
You also used that opportunity to inform others who weren’t necessarily close to your sorority/family group. That’s imperative and I hope you keep it up and speak up to any you see making potentially bad choices.
I’ve got to say that your one sentence chilled me to the bone.
Rarely, in all my time at blinkoncrime have I felt so desperately panicked and sad when you spoke(Oct. 4, 2:51pm)about the random act of violence:
“No, I felt like it was a random act of violence, someone picking off a straggler.”
Oh, my dear god.
You know, I read that twice with a similar reaction. I truly believe she meant that it was someone that chose not to be with the group or another person, but to your point, I think it speaks volumes about false senses of security and omnipotence.
B
twoforks,
Here’s a good photo of the black, police cruiser used by HH Security of Charlottesville.
http://s579.photobucket.com/albums/ss235/hhbail/Meadows%2008/?action=view¤t=kidsday9-28-08008.jpg
WG, that is their black vehicle, yes.
I am referring to the black and WHITE that I referenced in my comment, an astute local sent me the info. They crossed an intersection at the same time. Identical to Cville PD but with HH Lettering.
B
Judi says:
October 4, 2010 at 9:37 pm
The more i think about this, the more it is clicking for me. Most likely, I am way, way off. But, could the fact there is no footage of Morgan actually be the biggest clue of all? Sometimes it’s not what you find, but what you don’t find.
This all seems a much more plausible explanation than all of these series of events playing out the way that they did out of pure bad luck.
Surely a security guard would know how to cover his tracks, not attract attention, basically act unnoticed, and have the means to eliminate any evidence (footage).
Once outside, when he finally found the right moment, could Morgan have even thought she was being arrested?
I’m sure she would have shared this in her conversation with the BB players.
I have to ground myself because I am having what I know to be a false sense of a light bulb going off.
I meant to add comments to the above statement by Judi before submitting:
Judi, I think you’re absolutely right about that. That has never sat well with me and I really do think that it plays into what happened to Morgan and not just a coincidence- it is a clue indeed, and a big one. I’m hoping that the individual responsible for the closed circuit network has been fully questioned…and questioned again.
When the Sketch information came out and the possible connection with local security services, that certainly resonated with me, the whole lack of footage aspect.
You better put some weights around your ankles, Judi, or you may just float away
The Van question: I think a van or 4×4 would not be necessary if the guests were expected (example a sleepover party). From the official path AF its not that far to move someone.
*disclaimer I cannot literally remember all names and contents of 10.000 s of posts but always remember their noticable off-ness also I try to use *** this to not bring people in trouble*
-R&C (h?) security confiscates camera s altho its kinda pointless with all the cameraphones(explaining missing camera?)
-ex employee security (H&H?) stated it was customary to let customers back in in case of emergency (safety, health, common sense i presume) as did ‘Dakota’ who stated it wasnt even an issue to walk back in.
-Women commented they were treated roughly and were laughed at when locked outside jpj, one witness * ms no name * was eventually taken by a COP car to her meeting point
-RN* if i remember correctelt on fm stated tgat ib abermarle farm mulriplw CONVINCTED killers were working the farms !!
assumption:
-Morgan s meeting point was close to her car? and also close to the RV lot? Did she go there to set up a meeting point near a marked security RV ?
assumption: why let speed freak killers loose on the streets again you think they will re adjust after having used innocent humans as objects to destroy? The next who takes responsibility if it happens again? SOmeone with a nice sweater or a a lot of lawbooks?
developments:
Arrests are being made in assault cases which seems LE is on top of things, a very good sign.
I agree its not a VA thing or a USA thing but a world in danger of becoming uncontrolable, without some kind of ultimate protection. THe least we can do is agree that these people never walk among us anymore.
Its up to those criminals to convince us otherwise and I a not sure how but saying sorry is not enough, perhaps turning themselves and their weapons and collegue hyenas in is a first step to show they share a heart with humanity.
gosh i hate how harsh i sound but when it comes to stopping violence there are no soft methods
sorry for the spelling errors my energy levels are low and i cant invest much time anymore i am happy there is an avalanche going now and hoping the right gentlemen will solve all this mess, its up to them to change and protect, you all are wonderful people thank you for letting me have some ramblings off
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/Convicted_Rapist_Found_Guilty_of_Stalking_UVa_Students_104371864.html
I know this guy was cleared of a DNA link and passed a polygraph and I know I run the risk of sounding ridiculous with that being the case, but is this guy being taken off the streets on a technicality b/c they couldn’t find enough evidence to bring him in for something else?
Word Girl says:
October 5, 2010 at 3:07 pm
twoforks,
Here’s a good photo of the black, police cruiser used by HH Security of Charlottesville.
http://s579.photobucket.com/albums/ss235/hhbail/Meadows%2008/?action=view¤t=kidsday9-28-08008.jpg
WG, that is their black vehicle, yes.
I am referring to the black and WHITE that I referenced in my comment, an astute local sent me the info. They crossed an intersection at the same time. Identical to Cville PD but with HH Lettering.
B
Well duh…..I am not a very good sleuth more like some sort of foreign oddball rock and roll cheerleading type but….Blink capitalized the word”WHITE” above and keeps mentioning a van I think a white van….. and lately that the primary crime scene may have been in a van. SO may I ask if anyone knows if H&H Security owns such a vehicle with”HH” painted on the body?
Sadly one does not have to be five years old to be abducted from ones home or walking home from school, or 20 years old and sleeping peacefully in ones dorm bed at college , or blonde and beautiful,in a mini skirt and black boots at a rock concert to be abducted and murdered.
Here is what recently happened to a 78 year old woman, upright pillar of her community such kind eyes …could be any of our dear moms, she was found murdered 10 miles from her home sound familiar, they used dental records to identify her , her family and her community are devastated.
http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/vt-police-body-is-missing-78-year-old-grandmas/19662237?icid=main%7Cmain%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%7C175583&a_dgi=aolshare_email
Convicted Rapist Found Guilty of Stalking UVa Students
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/Convicted_Rapist_Found_Guilty_of_Stalking_UVa_Students_104371864.html
October 5, 2010
Jeffrey Kitze is heading back to jail after being found guilty Tuesday of stalking several female University of Virginia students, which is a violation of his probation.
Kitze, 49, was released from prison in January of 2009 after serving 20 years behind bars for beating his sister’s UVa. Law School roommate with a tire iron before raping her in 1989.
Just a few months after being released from jail, prosecutors say Kitze joined a local volunteer organization and immediately began making sexual advances on young co-eds. He reportedly sent letters and left voicemails with several women, and even showed up at one woman’s place of business.
The convicted rapist was seen grocery shopping a few hundred yards from the John Paul Jones Arena the night Morgan Harrington disappeared. He was targeted as a potential suspect but was later cleared after completing DNA and polygraph tests.
However, Kitze was not cleared for violating his probation, and he was arrested in May of 2010 on the stalking allegations.
He has already served five months in jail for the offense and will remain behind bars until his next trial date, at which point a parole board will determine if Jeffrey Kitze is too dangerous to remain in the community.
I just wanted to share this with you
I am praying for strength to hold back on my snark at the ridiculous breach of safety this man hsa been afforded.
Are you Kidding me?
B
Thank you Blink for sharing your opinion about our perp. I thought you would say that, it was just a glinmpse of maybe not I was hoping for but did’t expect.
Makes perfect sense to me they would more likely travel a back, unlit road when carrying special cargo. And I would say in response to our group question-
Group Question: How does this fit if the primary crime scene is a vehicle, say for instance, a van?
B-
This capitalizes on the more than a driver scenereo. A blitz into the van attack, imo, tossing her things in the lot. I am inconclusive on the battery deal. They likely pulled over once out of the immediate arena area to perform their deed. Where is the question. Then traveled to AF.
I read recently that Cville PD has ? 23 civilian officers. May have been on their site, but I found that pretty incredible, maybe that accounts for some of the people you read of Saramom.
Great post WG @2:47, Blink sure hosts alot of traffic.
@Eloise/B, who wrote
Group Question: How does this fit if the primary crime scene is a vehicle, say for instance, a van?
B-
This capitalizes on the more than a driver scenereo. A blitz into the van attack, imo, tossing her things in the lot.
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I still say that Morgan might willingly have stepped into a van in the RV to pass time and possibly party while the concert was ongoing. Remember what the one witness says she saw–a blonde who fit Morgan’s description gathered around a van with BIB.
I was just starting to read todays posts and when I got to this portion Texas Grandad’s post at 1:05 am Oct 5th….it hit me like a ton of bricks. Maybe it wont ya”ll but anyhow…
He said:
Kidnappers often do not kill a victum for a long time. Sometimes keeping them for years. It depends on whether or not they have a place where the victum or the perp cannot be found or recognized. So, I am for getting the notice out as soon as possible.
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Though it wasnt a thought you intended to provoke…I realized how very different manner Morgan’s attack occurred as the one in 2005 (Sketch) and the most recent ones.
These attacks involved the perp pushing them in the woods or a sucluded area and raping them. I get the feeling theyre (as of now) only after getting a quick attack and then bailing out. To my knowledge (please correct me if wrong) these victims were attacked in areas that they couldve been pushed into a car and taken away without being seen..but didnt and chose to attack in the immediate area (which to me suggests impulsivity for sexual, predatory desires)
In my book you’ve got the following:
-opportunist attackers (attack on site & flee)
-attackers who break into homes to rape victims (and often murder)
-the snatchers (i.e. Morgan)
My point is that I have never been more convinced of the possibility that Sketch wasnt really involved (to some manner)
*Blink I understand this has been your opinion for sometime
Is there any possible way that the police in fact didnt actually find a match to Sketch’s DNA but chose to go with that story in order to fool the real perp?
I know that we’ve been down this road time and time again…but Sketch’s involvement just doesnt add up to me.
SOMEONE KNEW THAT SKETCH’S DNA WAS NOT IN THE SYSTEM
WHO COULDVE KNOWN?
-SKETCH…either he knew wasnt in system or was an idiot & didnt care
-AN AQUAINTANCE (for some reason seems less likely to me)
-SOMEONE WITH ACCESS TO HIS DNA SAMPLE & KNEW HE WAS UNIDENTIFIED
thus planting the DNA on the tshirt
***I dont want to question the validity of your sources at all…however, Blink- if I remember correctly- they initially told you there was a connection to the Vannessa Pham case (which was incorrect) …..is there a remote possibility that LE didnt release Sketch earlier because of reasons that werent disclosed to your sources? I’ve had sources…so thats way beyond my expertise. But just visiting all scenarios.
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SHRED EVERY OUNCE OF MY POST TO PIECES IF NEEDED. I AM FOR CONSTRUCTIVE PROGRESS, PERIOD. AND IN MY BOOK…I DONT HAVE ANY FEELINGS TO HURT OR EGO TO BRUISE IF I SAY ANYTHING INCORRECT.
Oh and B…I’m pretty sure I sent a text to a friend that says “I heart you” You are officially wearing off on me.
This doctor is ordering pepper spray…Im sorry it came to mind and I had to say it. heart u
Correction:
1. It is my understanding that Blink questions that Sketch was directly involved in the placement on AF. ACTUALLY, BLINK, PLEASE RE-STATE YOUR CURRENT OPINION ON SKETCH’S ROLE IN MORGANS DEATH.
2. I meant to say that I HAVE NEVER HAD SOURCES …my experience in journalism has never grown to that level
I apologize for the mistakes above
Ok, I will never post again without reading the most recent posts. After one glance…I see that some of my questions may have already been addressed today.
Just in case, I’ll go ahead and apologize. Sorry Blink!!!
Im going back to my hole. No more posting tonight.
Unless somehow video footage of a van in the Lanigan field lot can be found, we may not know. If Morgan was taken from that area it could be another type of RV.
Is it possible that the affaliate organization of H&H that provides other services has a white van in their fleet?
If that were the case, then the H&H black and white could have been used as the original conveyance and Morgan then transferred to another vehicle. They could have transported her by the back roads to the farm. However, until proven wrong by evidence, I will believe she was taken to the house that burned and kept in the basement for a day or more. Then moved to AF for disposal.
They definitely have and had white vans in their fleet.
B
Kelley
Thanks for sharing about the parolee. This is just another example of how our criminal justice systems via parole constantly endanger our communities.
Look at the case in Conn. where the perps were career criminals and they were placed in a half-way house to prey on the community again.
We all need to let our state legislators know that the public is very tired of criminals being parolled to the community. Laws will have to be changed to stop this nonsense.
The University of Texas main campus at Austin just tonight published their crime report via TV. Sexual assaults were up 40%. This is the main campus where 50,000 are on the grounds during the day.
It is possible to buy a police cruiser brand new from a dealer. If a LE agency orders too many vehicles and can’t pay for them, the dealer will call all other agencies and even large private corporations to find a buyer for the vehicles. This is probably how H&H obtained their black and white. In some states the paint must be different from that used by LE agencies,but not in all.
I had a 1958 company car that had been obtained as described above. It was originally a black and white, but the dealer had to paint it differently so they painted the black to grey and left the white top. Everything else was just as LE would use.
Concerned Mom
I have mentioned before that something about girls, hormones perhaps, makes a parent wonder where in La La land their brains are located starting around age 14 or 15.
If we could only teach them how to be alert and scan the area ahead of themselves when they walk or ride, they could see a dangerous situation before walking into it. The only way I know is to walk with them and constantly talk about what you are seeing or like Blinks grandfather, use every opportunity to point out danger from various sources.
Keep pounding away at makeing her aware. She may resist it at first, but if she sees that you do it, you may get her to participate in a dialogue as you walk or ride.
There has been some focus on a white van, but I’m not sure why.
Here is a photo of a red van, but any van could conceal criminal activity going on inside.
http://www.hhcarcare.com/7301.html
This is only meant as an example of a large-size work van.
imho.
Did you know that the Federal Government only checks to see if 5% of rapists are convicted in the US? They use that number as a standard for rape convictions. That came out in the Senate Hearings on rape a few weeks ago. They look at the average for the country and apply it as a standard for all courts to meet. In order to not exceed these standards, thereby raising the bar for prosecution, evidence and mishandling has to occur. This is a common practice in the Virginia Courts. Look at the record for James City County. Police corruption and corruption within the Commonwealth’s Attorney’s office when it comes to crimes against women in prevalent and standard practice. And, on the off chance that there is a conviction, Judge Powell exonerates the rapist. In the Hampton Roads courts, it is normal for judges to sentence rapists to 1 week in jail “because he is married”.
I believe this was an attack ,pre-planned with their players in place early on , each with certain roles to play , all beginning to unfold as Morgan entered JpJ. I have thought that perhaps Morgan had a text with a “fellow music lover” & was planning to go to the ladies room , but also was planning to meet her friend closer to the stage during Lamb of God.
Down close to the stage on the stairs , was Morgan accidentally pushed down in a frenzied group of fans or was it intentional ? Like into the Mosh pit ? Get her close to it & then push her down to disorient her , to shake her up a bit ? I can imagine poor Morgan being pushed down & them laughing & enjoying her fall, mocking her & it makes me sick.
After the fall in the restroom she was seen crying , then the next account is of her being outside of JpJ . If disoriented form the fall & the cruelty of it , her fun night was now what she had envisioned so being very upset , perhaps she felt the need for fresh air to gather her thoughts , re-gain her composure.
What I see happening after that is her being outside no help & then finally 1 or 2 she knows from music venues … her supposed rescue offering to cheer her up & go to a party just a few miles away.
While looking for the link or the the missing puzzle piece , look for several links that join to make one piece.
For ex. when looking at JpJ security , do not focus on who they had been hired by or if they were outsourced … look at who was currently employed there as well as past employees & the relationships these fellas had with each other outside the arena. Look at what tied them together. Movie genres , music genres & venues , alcohol & or drug use.
SO Location Location Location to me now = Beginning Location 1 @ JpJ
Location 2 = ?
Location 3 = Anchorage Farms down by dry creek bed.
I think Charlottesville is moving to the black and white cruiser, but for now there are more of the white with the blue narrow blue stripping. I don’t know, but I’m guessing that as older cruisers are replaced, they are going to the black and white.
I am guessing that every municipality does what Charlottesville does, once or twice a year they have an auction of surplus items, ranging from heavy equipment to buses, to police cars, to small office equipment. I think light bars, sirens, etc are removed from police cars, but I don’t know whether or not any other changes are made so that they will not resemble official cars. As far as I know, the only limitations are that employees of the city of Charlottesville are not allowed to bid on these surplus items.
This morning I am sitting here thinking that I really hope LE knows who did this to Morgan. It has been nearly a year. If the profile articles I posted a couple days ago are an accurate profile of our perp(s) and if it was an anger rape, which the article says that the violent act of rage will only satisfy his underlying anger for so long, then his next attack on his next victim is inevitable, and the longer that goes by, the higher the chance that it will be quite soon.
The brutal way in which Morgan was killed is a window into this man’s or men’s soul(s) and it is an ugly, ugly, dark, cold view.