BlinkOnCrime.com Editorial: UVA Violated The Jeanne Clery Act AND Failed To Report Another Sex Crime
Charlottesville, VA– Late Tuesday evening, prompted by questions by the Editor In Chief of blinkoncrime.com about a recent rape which occurred at the DZ sorority on Chancellor Street, The University of Virginia sent out an alert to students.
However, as required of UVA by the Clery Act, the alert was 10 days late. Charlottesville Police recorded a police report of a forcible rape on September 17, 2010.
The Jeanne Clery Act, founded by her parents, Howard and Connie Clery, is a Federal Law applicable to all Higher Learning Institutions that participate in Federal funding assistance which requires mandatory reporting for specified crimes.
Constance and Howard Clery founders of Security ON Campus, Inc. after their 19 year old daughter Jeanne was brutally raped, tortured and murdered while sleeping in her dorm on April 5, 1986.
Fellow Lehigh University co-eds propped 3 different doors open, in violation of security rules, unknowingly allowing her killer access.
The bill which became a Federal law, was based on the fact that 38 different violent offenses occurred at Lehigh U that the student body was never made aware of prior to Clery’s murder. Had they been, it is almost certain not only would the automatic locking doors have been inaccessible, but parents and students combined would have demanded security upgrades to prevent such a heinous event.
Following the email that went to 23,000 students at 11:01 PM September 28, Allen Groves, Dean of Students, and Lt. Melissa Fielding of the University Police Department, held an impromptu press conference Wednesday, as a follow up to the email alert with some additional background information.
PART 2
Time line Breakdown
9–17 1:15am UVA student attacked from behind, raped and beaten on Delta Zeta House, Chancellor Street.
9-17 Noon- Email Equivalent to “Whisper Down the Rotunda” Begins:
Received a third party email, NOT from the victim, indicating a stranger attack had occurred to a sister, as previously reported at blinkoncrime.com, at DZ House on Chancellor St. We forwarded that on to our endless list of associate deans. They called the Sorority president for more information so that we might begin “acting upon it”.
9–18 Additional Sexual Assault Occurs At Fraternity on Madison Lane 3AM
*Unreported To Students To Date*
9–18 A Robbery Occurs During the Course of Above, Same Frat 3AM
*Unreported To Students To Date*
9–19 A Breaking And Entering Occurs, Undisclosed Sorority House, Chancellor St
*Unreported To Students To Date*
9-20 Associate Dean reaches out directly to the victim to ..”get the details of the attack and also to assist the student. No contact made with victim.
9–20 Associate Deans Office receives call from a female student’s Mother that her daughter was nearly sexually assaulted in a pantry at a Fraternity party at approximately midnight, September 18. Add additionally, Groves speaks to a man claiming to be assaulted due to his sexual preference, which would be considered a hate crime, also reportable under the Clery Act. According to Groves and Fielding no police report has been filed. (Editors Note: If this took place at the same “undisclosed frat” as the 3am forcible fondling and robbery incidents– Is this the same perp? So he never fled the scene? So, we have 2 incidents that have Charlottesville PD police reports, one of a sex crime in nature, and an additional attempted sex crime reported directly to administration on 9/20 within a three hour span, at either the same fraternity, or a neighboring one, and it takes 8 days to notify anyone, and they still have not interviewed anyone at the “undisclosed” frat regarding the incidents?
9-21 Internal Meeting about the 9/17 forcible rape but to UVA, they are “unclear” sex assault occurs, still no contact with, or direct information with the victim. ( Editors Note: Groves says Charlottesville PD has still not classified the incident as a sex assault. (Editors Note: This is ludicrous and utter bs. The report specifically states “forcible rape”. I can tell you as an absolute fact, that members of the sorority AS WELL AS the other sororities on Chancellor sent emails back and forth to alert each other which specifically included details of the assault).
9-21 Associate Dean contacts Cville PD. Was told .. Yes, investigating the incident, but would not be in a position to disclose whether there had been an assault or sexual assault also, at that point. We then conferred with the university police to see if there was anything they could tell us so that we could determine whether or not a sex assault occurred in that setting.
9-23 Sorority Meeting held, without the victim, to discuss outreach opportunities.
9-27 First time Associate dean heard directly from the victim in response to the outreach efforts, first time she was in a position to come forward (out of hospital). Victim had to cancel and has rescheduled.
9-28 “.. Certainly by last evening… after conferring with Lt. Fielding and others I felt we had enough information.. Even though to my knowledge Charlottesville Police have not classified this as a sexual assault..” but we believe we had enough, even though it was not our investigation, it was Charlottesville Police responsibility to alert..” (Editors Note: Not a syllable about the email I sent to Ms. Wood, who was unaware of the incident, and very responsive to me. The alert went out at 11:01 PM, 45 minutes after our article regarding same, was published. In this editors opinion, there were no plans whatsoever to alert students until I requested a comment, specifying it was to be included in the piece we were finishing regarding the fact that the rape had not yet been disclosed as an alert, as required by the Clery Act. This was done to balance what was certain to be seen as a scandalous announcement in the wake of Morgan Harrington and Yeardley Love murders, and days after the University’s “Day of Dialogue.” I felt they should certainly be offered an opportunity to address the issue from their perspective, the email was their response to that invitation).
Clearly A Clery Violation… Again
The Articles for reporting within the Clery Act are unambiguous. While I understand the need to alert students and parents with credible and useful information, this is not for UVA officials to decide unilaterally. In fact, it is not for them to ever need to “corroborate” or interview a victim regarding the details of any crime committed against them as identified in the Clery Act for UVA to observe the requirements of them under the Federal law.
In short, they have their own police. They have their “online form”. They have Charlottesville PD police report direct feed.
In 2004, The Board of Education found that UVA violated the Clery Act by requiring a rape victim to sign a confidentiality agreement, but gave them a pass by not imposing sanctions because there was some confusion as to the reporting rules and protocol. UVA was informed they will be assessed a $27,500 sanction fee for any future violations.
As I am certain many of you are over my bloviations about the subject, and in the interest of disclosure, I have personal ties to Lehigh University.
Also in the interest of disclosure, I am embarrassed to say that I was not aware that Ms. Clery’s murder occurred there until researching the Clery Act.
Some Posts from members of your local community for consumption, I will be updating poignant comments.
Blinkoncrime.com Poster Starbucks:
Regarding the “off grounds” issue, I’m sorry but I find University’s excuses in this area ludicrous and totally disingenuous.
The Clery Act, passed in 1990, unambiguously provides that its reporting requirements are not limited to crimes occurring on campus/”Grounds.” The University has had twenty years to figure out how to comply with this law, and yet its officials act as dumbfounded as ever. One would think that UVA is the only school in the nation with a significant portion of its student body living off campus/Grounds, but in close proximity to the University. Of course, this situation is commonplace.
If UVA is having such a difficult time dealing with the “off grounds” issue, I suggest that President Sullivan get in contact with the appropriate officials at her previous institutions. Sullivan spent most of her career at the University of Texas where 80% of its undergraduate student body lives off campus, as opposed to 57% at UVA. She then spent about four years at the University of Michigan where 37% of its undergraduates live off campus. There is no need to reinvent the wheel here; if UVA officials can’t figure out how to report crimes occurring near its campus, they should go study how other universities are dealing with this perplexing problem.
The implication that there is no communication between the Charlottesville Police and the UVA police/campus officials simply stretches the bounds of credulity.
UVA is required by the Clery Act to provide:
(C) A statement of current policies concerning campus law enforcement, including—
(ii) the working relationship of campus security personnel with State and local law enforcement agencies, including whether the institution has agreements with such agencies, such as written memoranda of understanding, for the investigation of alleged criminal offenses; and
(iii) policies which encourage accurate and prompt reporting of all crimes to the campus police and the appropriate law enforcement agencies.
I can’t seem to find UVA’s policies in this area. I challenge the University to prominently publish all of the required Clery Act policy statements on its website.
UVA is on notice:
“This determination finds that the University violated the Clery Act. However, as was noted in our July 2004 Final Determination in another case, there was apparent confusion in the higher education community regarding the intersection of the disclosure requirement under the Clery Act and the strictures of FERPA. For this reason, the Department will not impose any fines or other sanctions at this time. However, UVA is advised that any subsequent violations of the Clery Act will result in a referral for the imposition of a civil penalty up to $27,500 per infraction.”
http://federalstudentaid.ed.gov/datacenter/cleryact/uva/UVAProgramReviewReport11032008.pdf
So please UVA, stop the excuses and clean up your act now.
Madeline Tanner, Elizabeth Morton, contributing editors
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Someone up thread wrote that a security type or cop wannabe did not have to be working the night of the concert. I have no opinion on whether or not that type of person was involved, but if they were, I think it would have to be either not working or off-duty for the remainder of the night. I do not believe the person who grabbed Morgan and eventually killed her was able to do so and get back to the arena to resume duties by the end of the concert. I know Dr. and Mrs. Harrington read here, so I’m not going to elaborate, but I think we all know, the person(s) responsible would not have been able to come from their evil actions directly back into a public place. I wrote very early on that I thought the perpetrator probably either lived alone or was alone that night for the very same reason. I don’t think he or they were able to go directly home to an unsuspecting family or to uninvolved housemates.
Blink,
May I ask what the punishment/fine is for violating The Jeanne Clery Act?
Sanctions are subjective and up to the Dept of Education, but it could preclude them from any Govt financial assisstance.
Fine is $27,500 per infraction.
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29.Word Girl says:
October 5, 2010 at 3:07 pm
twoforks,
Here’s a good photo of the black, police cruiser used by HH Security of Charlottesville.
http://s579.photobucket.com/albums/ss235/hhbail/Meadows%2008/?action=view¤t=kidsday9-28-08008.jpg
WG, that is their black vehicle, yes.
I am referring to the black and WHITE that I referenced in my comment, an astute local sent me the info. They crossed an intersection at the same time. Identical to Cville PD but with HH Lettering.
B
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Just curious, has LE questioned H&H about the whereabouts of his employees and which vehicles they were driving the night Morgan disappeared?
Can’t comment, sorry.
B
Howard, Roderick M
DCJS ID: 99-187747
License Type: Property
Expiration Date: 06/30/2012
Firearms Endorsement: Handgun
Shotgun
Firearms endorsement expires: 11/15/2010
Power of Attorney: Information Not Available
http://www.dcjs.virginia.gov/directories/bailbondsman/index.cfm
He’s got a month ’til he expires on Firearms, that is.
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MsL:
I think that you are right on when you say that we should be looking at all the other crimes against women and men who are out and about UVa. Somebody might have heard just what LE needs to know.
What if one of them leads LE to finding who did this to Morgan?
Which by the way, is of the utmost importance! Yes, look at all the other crimes but solve this one! I would imagine that a good deal of information would bust open if LE caught who did this to her.
Maybe someone who knows something will “sing” if he is part of the crime. A deal? I don’t know.
But on a side not, I understand when you say you’re not disputing others, you just need to ask that question.
I feel the same way.
You just need to get it off your chest.
I don’t mean to be harsh about Dakota but I’m really confused on that one. I keep rereading that post.
Blink:
About the ‘look-a-like cruiser’ issue…seems that H & H, knows this.
After all, they paid for the detail work on their vehicles.
They work closely with CPD, UVaPD, and VSP.
They know what “cop vehicles” look like!
That’s the way they want it. Period.
Which brings me to your “Group Question”.
“Group Question: How does this fit if the primary crime scene is a vehicle, say for instance, a van? B”
Well, I’m just sayin’ but it would look like to me that the vehicle would belong in this area. I mean Blandemar. No one would think any differently. Would they be on patrol?
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Eloise:
I’ve thought about the battery thing also.
No need to be inconclusive!
HE removed it. HE knew what it would mean.
BTW,
Not saying any of the above is connected but it makes one think…
Sorry for the multiple posts, but I continue to read. Mr Kitze raises some questions I had never considered. We’ve discussed people who provide paid services to private citizens and businesses, but what about volunteer groups. Maybe it’s not appropriate to ask what volunteer group Mr. Kitze was connected with but I would like to know about volunteer groups’ in general What are their review processes for volunteers and how do they determine whether or not a person is suitable for their organizations. I know that many of these groups, as part of their mission, try to give former inmates a helping hand back into society. I think some of us judge the people working with volunteer organizations based on the good work of the group, and give not a second thought to whether or not the people working for the group have passed any type of security review. Some of these groups work closely with young people and seniors or send people to our homes to pick up donations or provide assistance. While I would never want to hamper the return of someone who deserves a helping hand back into a productive life, such an incident as Mr. Kitze does give pause for thought. What right does the public have to ask for an accounting from a volunteer organization about the people who could be interacting with our youngsters or coming into our own homes?
Thank you Kelly for posting the above info on Kitze.
While I wonder what the heck he was doing out on the streets, I was thrilled to hear that he was polygraphed and DNA’d to eliminate him as a suspect in the slaying of Morgan because it says to me that LE desperately wants this case solved and prosecuted as much as we do. The news just feels reassuring somehow…
It has been so long since we have heard anything from LE Surely they have so much info relating to Morgan’s exact movements and interactions the evening of the 17th that we are not aware of. I keep wondering what was found at Anchorage Farm. According to the Harringtons, there was lots of evidence gathered. Gosh I hope they are close…
Is this case part of a wider net, so to speak? Or is it in the crossing the t’s and dotting the i’s stage?
Sorry for the run-on sentence that characterized my previous post. I need a new editor.
Some of the recent discussion about Morgan leaving JPJA under what(?) curcumstances (falling on steps, blood on chin), triggered my recollection about chatter of “Dee” being “escorted out” of JPJA. Don’t know if it is true, but if it is it certainly is odd, considering the subsequent events:
http://74.6.238.254/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=dee+escorted+out+of+metallica+concert&fr=b1ie7&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=dee+escorted+out+of+metallica+concert&d=4984971102064066&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=ca9070c3,14ead0ed&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=RCXjtJXFDdruZSXA7ZGN1Q–
What does anyone make of this? Could it have been Morgan who was escorted out by security? or was it Dee, or no one at all? If it was Morgan escorted “out” by security???????
Surely someone knows this by know, whether true or not—-
Now I found this:
http://74.6.238.254/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=dee+jpja+metallica+concert&fr=b1ie7&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=dee+jpja+metallica+concert&d=4810604018338889&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=475cec10,e0d03eaa&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=46mckFeYEGzeg2WNBGOqPQ–
It does not sound like Dee was the one escorted out of the concert.
Perhaps Morgan was escorted out of the concert, due to falling on the steps, and “security” used the intoxicated excuse to eject her, so that is why all of the commotion when she was ejected.
I am beginning to think it is not such a mystery as to why she ended up outside, and mad, and trying to get back in. Now that part is clear in my mind, also becoming clear why no security video surfaces about ‘her exit.’ CYA by JPJA.
If this is the case, question is, “who is the “security who escorted her out?”
MsL says:
October 6, 2010 at 9:36 am
Sorry for the multiple posts, but I continue to read. Mr Kitze raises some questions I had never considered. We’ve discussed people who provide paid services to private citizens and businesses, but what about volunteer groups. Maybe it’s not appropriate to ask what volunteer group Mr. Kitze was connected with but I would like to know about volunteer groups’ in general What are their review processes for volunteers and how do they determine whether or not a person is suitable for their organizations. I know that many of these groups, as part of their mission, try to give former inmates a helping hand back into society. I think some of us judge the people working with volunteer organizations based on the good work of the group, and give not a second thought to whether or not the people working for the group have passed any type of security review. Some of these groups work closely with young people and seniors or send people to our homes to pick up donations or provide assistance. While I would never want to hamper the return of someone who deserves a helping hand back into a productive life, such an incident as Mr. Kitze does give pause for thought. What right does the public have to ask for an accounting from a volunteer organization about the people who could be interacting with our youngsters or coming into our own homes?
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I would like to know also. It may have been as simple as working at a soup kitchen or working at a library. My guess is he met the UVA coeds because they were working there also, not because they were receiving services, but that is just an assumption. I suspect some volunteer organizations don’t do much security checking but many do — especially any that interact with kids. For instance, the boy scouts do attempt to screen anyone who gets involved as pack leaders. I accompanied my son to camp outs though and I doubt anyone screened me or any of the other dads. There was probably an assumption that the community would know if there was an issue. If an organization places a person in a position of trust and they violate it, that organization may be liable in a civil suit. For that reason, most probably try to do the best they can, but we do live in a free society and people will slip through from time to time. I am impressed and comforted that the police obviously looked into this guy hard with connection to morgan.
susan says:
October 6, 2010 at 10:45 am
Some of the recent discussion about Morgan leaving JPJA under what(?) curcumstances (falling on steps, blood on chin), triggered my recollection about chatter of “Dee” being “escorted out” of JPJA. Don’t know if it is true, but if it is it certainly is odd, considering the subsequent events:
http://74.6.238.254/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=dee+escorted+out+of+metallica+concert&fr=b1ie7&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=dee+escorted+out+of+metallica+concert&d=4984971102064066&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=ca9070c3,14ead0ed&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=RCXjtJXFDdruZSXA7ZGN1Q–
What does anyone make of this? Could it have been Morgan who was escorted out by security? or was it Dee, or no one at all? If it was Morgan escorted “out” by security???????
Surely someone knows this by know, whether true or not—-
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It definitely isn’t true with respect to dee as there is footage of her in the arena at the end of the show. Reading the link, it barely seems to rise to the level of a rumor to me. I imagine the police would know for certain if morgan had been kicked out. I think that would have been disclosed, but they have kept a lot of info confidential, especially anything that might be interpreted to slight the victim.
“Fish is exactly right. If you had someone in your car and you did not want her seen, you would most definitely head out Dick woods to Taylors Gap to Blandemar. Completely dark, empty roads.
I have been to a home for dinner several times in Blandemar and that is the way my husband always takes. Never down 29 south.”
Blink you asked:
Group Question: How does this fit if the primary crime scene is a vehicle, say for instance, a van?
B
– Warning abduction scenario-
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Well IMO if the BG had access to a van from the get go, and if we go under the speculation as before, that it was a van that was used, and it was the primary crime scene- I’d have to say what this tells us is -the BG DID NOT have to use any back roads to get to AF- in fact- it would have been quite easy for him to drive safely right up route 29- especially if more than 1 BG was involved-
They could have abducted her right from the PLot incapacitated her-pushed her in the van- leaving behind her bag- her phone- her id and simply drove away- or they could have took their time right there in the darkened lots- in the safety of the van- safe from the rain and the prying eyes- or stopped off anywhere along the way- with out anyone seeing Morgan in the back
Even if she made it to the bridge, the van would have been very easy to set up a quick /abduction getaway- 1st guy stops to say need a ride- 2nd guy jumps out of back and Wham!- Morgan’s in the van- this becomes even easier if you take in to account that Morgan was said to have been seen, on both sides of the bridge- They could have caught her on the sliding door side- door opens- grab Morgan- door closes….
So IMO a van would mean easy abduction- ready made scene of attack-”primary crime scene” -and easy access right up RT 290- no one would be the wiser. Unfortunately.
Based on the above chatter, it seems to me a real possiblilty that Morgan was ejected from JPJA by “security or quasi security or pretend security”. For months that line from UVA and the VSP, that “somehow Morgan went to the ladies room, and then mysteriously found herself outside the JPJA” with no logical explanation, except leaving it to the reader to intuit that she was so “out of it” that she could not tell inside from outside, outdoors from indoors ????????
That UVA/ JPJA/ VSP company line did not pass my smell test, and now more than ever it does not.
If this is true, and it seems more true that the mysterious “she didn;t know where she was or what door was in or out, and then she was outside and she did’t know she could not get back in” (sort of like Alice in Wonderland), then I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED IN UVA, JPJA, AND THE VSP FOR LETTING THE PUBLIC FESTER ON THIS MYSTERY of why she was outside and why she was angry, and why there are no security videotapes. (I am pretty sure I know the answer to the last one.)
Find the tapes UVA and JPJA, and find the security personnel, if you have not already. I am worn out with the amount of time this is taking, and in fact, the whole thing is beginning to smell like a cover-up of the highest magnitude, especially when I connect the dots of Casteen not signing the condolence letter, and the bizarre effort which has been made to place Morgan on the bridge at last sighting, and this being Casteen’s last glorious year which he certainly would not want tainted.
This seems like a masterful piece of dis-intelligence on the part of the UVA Administration as I am now looking at things. Especially on the heels of the Tech Disaster, which coupled with the Casteen Festivities would give ample motive to the investigators for not wanting this to look bad for JPJA and UVA.
Furthermore, what’s with the reports of someone who worked in security but was not working security that night who was sitting near Morgan who also knew her boyfriend (the abusive boyfriend)…oh, and who could also not account for his time. That was chatter too, in one of the early blog comments on another site.
The government should not lie to the people. And if there are tapes, and if Morgan WAS evicted, and if security did evict Morgan on tape, I am going to feel like we have a Watergate situation ALL OVER AGAIN.
It is high time the investigators in this case stopped misleading the public. Way too much time has gone by, this is not rocket science, this case should have been solved by now unless there was something sinister going on WRT a coverup. That is my opinion obviously, but as I reread the blogs I think something is very wrong in the state of this investigation.
I tried to google: Jeffrey Kitze to see if I could locate an address for him. The address on the Sex Offenders registry is the jail he is currently in.
I am really curious to know where he was living at the time he was shopping near where Morgan was last seen.
There are 2 stores in the near vicinity of JPJA, Foods of All Nations on Ivy Road which is just on the other side of the bridge from where Morgan was last seen or Kroger which is in Barracks Road Shopping Ctr. It would seem very creepy that he was shopping at FOAN on Ivy Rd….Was he revisiting a place that held memories for him???
http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/2010/oct/05/89-uva-rapist-violates-probation-ar-544786/
A Rochester, N.Y., man who served 20 years in prison for the 1989 beating and rape of a University of Virginia law school student has been convicted of violating his probation for leaving a voicemail for a woman whom he was not supposed to contact.
Judge Jay T. Swett sentenced Jeffrey Theodore Kitze to the time he has served since his arrest, which court records show was in June. The judge noted that Kitze will remain at the Albemarle-Charlottesville Regional Jail because he still faces a parole violation charge.
Kitze, 49, was convicted in 1994 of the rape and malicious wounding of a UVa law student. Authorities have said he had been in town with his parents to attend his sister’s graduation from the law school.
The day after graduation, police have said, Kitze entered the victim’s Ivy apartment and hit her in the head with a small tire iron before and after raping her. The computer programmer for Xerox Corp. told police that the attack happened because he had an irresistible impulse to hurt the victim, whom he had met the day before the attack.
Kitze was sentenced to 50 years in prison with 15 years of that sentence suspended. Defense attorney Scott Goodman said in court that Kitze was released on parole in January 2009 and was returned to Charlottesville, where he started his own computer repair business known for its low prices and volunteered with Virginia Organizing (formerly the Virginia Organizing Project).
Jeffrey T. Lenert, Kitze’s probation officer, testified Tuesday that two incidents involving contact with women involved in the nonprofit group caused the probation officer to forbid Kitze from going to Virginia Organizing and from directly contacting anyone associated with it.
Lenert said in court he was notified last year that a woman involved with the nonprofit filed a stalking complaint against Kitze because she said he sent a sexually suggestive e-mail after she had rebuffed his advances. The woman told authorities that she wasn’t in fear of Kitze, Lenert said, so charges weren’t pressed.
A second woman involved with Virginia Organizing told authorities that Kitze sent her an e-mail after she declined to go out with him, Lenert said, and she gave him a more forceful response indicating that she didn’t want to date. Lenert testified that Kitze went into her workplace several times, said hello to her and repeatedly asked her if she knew his name. The woman told Lenert that she didn’t want to make a big deal out of what happened.
On Nov. 23, Lenert said, he presented a letter from the head of Virginia Organizing to Kitze. The letter asked Kitze not to contact the nonprofit’s interns, volunteers or staff and to stay off the property. The probation officer testified that his resulting warning fell under a probation condition that said Kitze must follow all of Lenert’s instructions.
Lenert said Tuesday in court that he got a call in May from an intern for Virginia Organizing who had met Kitze through the agency. The woman, who Lenert said worked at a Charlottesville coffee shop that Kitze had been asking to go into, told authorities that she received an angry voicemail from Kitze that warned her to stop telling people about his sex offender status.
Goodman argued that a voicemail was indirect contact. The judge later ruled that had the woman picked up the phone, it would have counted as direct contact.
Lenert also testified that a UVa first-year student and a volunteer with a group involved with Virginia Organizing filed a complaint against Kitze after he had unwanted contact with her. Kitze ultimately wasn’t charged, authorities said.
err-
with whom was that complaint filed?
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Susan
Again pure speculation (based on experience) maybe some guys that were bothering DEE were escorting for bothering her out at about the same time Morgan went outside to get some fresh air. Outside there was no protection, was kickee one of the kicked out persons ?
guys can turn from friendly to brutal in seconds
Ooopss….the rest of the article shows he was Harris Teeter…I forgot about that one. It is through the woods on the other side of JPJA.
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Theodore Kitze, Jeffrey Kitze’s father, testified that he thought his son had been doing well until they learned of the probation violation charge.
“Unfortunately, it came as a big shock to us,” he said.
Prior to being sentenced, Jeffrey Kitze said he was at fault for what had happened and said he wanted to take responsibility for it. He told the court he left the voicemail because he said she told people about his history and that he was involved in Morgan Harrington’s disappearance. “I was concerned about my safety,” Jeffrey Kitze said.
Lenert said in court that Kitze, whose GPS unit showed him at the Harris Teeter supermarket closest to UVa the night of the Metallica concert from which Harrington disappeared, was questioned after the Virginia Tech student vanished but excluded as a suspect through DNA and a polygraph.
While sentencing the defendant, the judge ruled that Jeffrey Kitze must accept that he was convicted of a major offense and will “have a scarlet letter” attached to him for the rest of his life.
And one more thought about the matter of the possibility of Morgan having been evicted by “security” when she fell and hit her chin on the steps, as she was leaving for bathroom break before the concert.
That thought is: I have no problem whatsoever with VSP maintaining the integrety of the investigation by limiting the info available to the public, BUT, if information, and videotapes are being withheld to save face, prevent a lawsuit, make JPJA not look bad, make UVA not look negligent, or somehow preserve Casteen’s legacy and last blaze of glory in his illustrious (??) leadership of UVA during his seemingly unending tenure, then that is WRONG.
Blink you asked:
Group Question: How does this fit if the primary crime scene is a vehicle, say for instance, a van?
B
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continuing abduction scenarios Warning-
If the vehicle was not a van, but was a car like the one first reported by Skyler- well- this scenario would play out much the same- if there was 2 BG it would be quite easy to incapacitate Morgan and make it look normal- 2nd BG, passenger- watches over Morgan-
Sky originally said the car appeared to be a 2 door that means if Morgan was offered a ride she most likely was in the back seat- guy gets out to lift seat to let her in- Hits her hard -pushes her inside- passenger- gets in back to watch over unconscious victim.- looks normal to any cars on the road–
If driver was alone he stops- offers her a ride- gets out to open door- or waits until she is “safe” inside- hits her – Morgan’s unconscious- slides down in seat- or is moved to back seat- seems normal from passing cars- Remember it was dark and raining- hard to see inside a car that has rain drops and condensation on windows…
Next scenario- car looks like a cop car-or Security – BG stops Morgan for erratic behavior- waits til no witnesses– if Security or cop look alike- probably has sense of authority- may scare Morgan into obedience- tells her he is going to take her in- for her own safety and comfort- possibly transporting her to police or drunk tank ect- asks to see her phone-informs her he is removing battery from phone because- it will be in lock up- until her parents or other are called- doesn’t want to waste it- possibly uses hand ties – to incapacitate her- for her own safety and for his-asks her to sit in back of car until he can look through her bag for id- or other- Hits her hard- Morgan- unconscious- hand tied in back- leaves bag -id- phone- takes battery- because he has it already on his person no one is the wiser- looks like a cop car transporting someone to jail-
If 2 BG “cops” or security- this scenario becomes faster and easier-
Next scenario- EMT vehicle/worker- or look alike-
Same scenario as above- checks her out for injuries- sits her in back- asks to see phone- removes battery-1- because it may interfere with his medical equipment-2 they will be going to hospital- where phones must be turned off 3 doesn’t want to use up her battery… Then Gives her something to incapacitate her- or – knocks her unconscious-drives off leaving purse/phone/id ect. No one the wiser- vehicle easily cleaned of any forensic evidence as- it is made for easy clean-up…. If 2 BG scenario faster and easier.
next scenario- camper or RV
Same scenario as van- or 2 door – but much easier- as person could have invited her inside to dry off- Morgan removes battery from phone- inorder to dry it out- or it falls out as her dad says it was apt to do- BG- incapacitates her- throws out her bag, id phone ect… Or Morgan has no choice and is forced into the back-incapacitated ect. Drives away- no one is the wiser… Faster and easier with 2 BG
Last scenario- she knew the person she took a ride from- or knew the people she was going to take a ride from- she thought she could trust this person- but alas, she could not- She willing gets in car or van or jeep or camper of friend or acquaintance- and then no one knows….
Unfortunately- 1 year later- we don’t know anything more- regarding Morgan’s leaving JPJ and the area- We are all still only speculating- which lbrings in the one and only scenario LE have stated openly-
Morgan was last seen HH on the bridge- she may have accepted the ride from a person- was this person the BG or was this person just dropping her off and the BG met up with her later?
All speculation, one accepted by LE- but all-IMO, show it would be relativity easy for 1 BG -very easy for 2 or more BG’s to abduct Morgan or for Morgan to accept ride then travel up HW29 and have a portable primary crime scene-
whoops, “integrity”. sorry for misspelling.
One more thought, and I promise I am finished for the day…..
The current goings on in Albemarle Co. PD, with all of the hush hush about what is going on, and I had to look for 15 minutes on the internet to even get a clue about what the issue was…..(that’s a long time for me)….
When I found out what the issue OSTENSIBLY was, I thought that the code of silence around the issue, with the retiring police chief even refusing to comment, with what the issue supposedly was, to be downright silly.
If there WAS something so SILLY going on, and using taxpayer monies, it certainly does not deserve the cloak of silence. In fact I am pretty sure the public has a right to know, IF the matter involves taxpayer dollars.
It just makes me wonder if any of the people under the cloak of silence were involved in handling security that night at JPJA, and possibly let the Morgan ejection from JPJA (IF that is what happened) occur on their watch.(?????) AND IS THAT IS WHY THE CLOAK OF SILENCE?????
I am not accusing any LE of doing any wrongdoing, but I just find the reason for all of the silence, and cryptic comments coming from LE-Retiring Chief in Albemarle to be a little too over the top for the reason that has been insinuated to be the issue.
In Richmond, anything done wrong by LE which requires a dismissal, or even less of a sanction, and is in the public domain by virtue of a crime being committed, or involving taxpayer monies, is front page news, and deemed in the public interest to know, by the newspaper here and also by the City Administration. I would not say it happens a lot, but we have our fair share of various LE getting into trouble of one sort or another, and it is all put out there front and center.
Take the case of the former police chief of VCU:
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2009/jan/30/chef30_20090129-221305-ar-90595/
Upfront and center news report, no subterfuge, no lies, no hiding, no code of silence.
The VCU case is just the first case, or several, which comes to mind regarding public officials and LE in the Richmond area, but hey, we get the facts, that is something I certainly appreciate. I am not used to government operating any other way.
That is why I am wondering about all of the silence in the Albemarle Co matter. I frankly think the public has a right to know if any of that silence is related to anything regarding Morgan, (and the ONLY reason I would even think the issues would be connected is because of the SILENCE which is not deserved in the matter which has been insinuated.) I am pretty sure that if the true fact of the matter is what has been insinuated, persons would not be granted that level of confidentiality by the Richmond Times Dispatch, it would be front and center news first day it happened.
And if any official was caught trying to cover it up, they would be in deep doodoo also, and the RTD would out that. (btw I do not work for the RTD, but I find them to be pretty on top of things like this.)
It seems that only grand jury proceedings are kept silent, or sealed judges orders, and matters sealed by some other law or whatever. But I did not have the impression that this silly matter fits into one of those categories.
Call me suspicious. Call me not buying the company line. But the silence in Albemarle County in that matter makes no sense in comparison with the public disclosure protocols just 60 miles down the road, in the City of Richmond.
As I said, it makes me think that something is possibly related to this high profile case, or another high profile matter, of grand jury caliber, and that is why it is deserving of silence.
I would think that the County of Albemarle would not want to lead people to make assumptions of the kind I have just made based on the comparisons for public disclosure by LE, in Richmond versus in Albemarle. By keeping silent a silly matter, if it did indeed occur during working hours, (thereby involving tax payer dollars) invites me to do just that.
But, then, I am used to a higher standard of public disclosure in keeping with the the Freedom of Information Act, especially if public funds are at issue.
@ Redfly: I thought of the issue you mentioned, “that saying Morgan was possibly ejected on the pretense of being tipsy would be slighting to Morgan”, but I dismissed it because 1. I am not saying that Morgan was tipsy, but that the PRETENSE of Morgan being tipsy may have been the ruse for the set-up of the abduction beginning inside JPJA, and 2. The other LE disclosures have been much more slighting to Morgan, and even more vaguely bothersome in terms that they have led one to believe that she was much more than slightly tipsy, when in fact she may not have been drinking at all. It has crossed my mind that Morgan could have been ejected with “tipsy” being the pretense for the abduction. Going up and down those steps makes me tipsy, its a fact. Anyone could fall.
My concern is if Morgan was ejected by quasi or pretend, or even real security for a trumped up reason, (falling on the steps, which could happen to ANYONE,)——that could have been the beginning of the abduction of Morgan.
Or if legitimate security working that night ejected Morgan when she was sick or in distress, and hurt, or EVEN TIPSY, that would surely lead to a lawsuit. And, more importantly a disaster in PR, and a huge black -eye in accountability for JPJA and UVA, given the facts of what happened in the aftermath.
The chatter I found about “Dee” being escorted out, if “Dee” obviously was not escorted out, and it were Morgan who was escorted out, would obviously not play very well when the videos were released, tipsy or not. Given the fateful events.
However, the chatter I found, if Morgan were ejected and not Dee, since Dee was there all along, makes more sense to me about the commotion at the door, the irritation with the ticket person, and the irritation with the people in the line altogether. It also makes sense about no security tapes being “found”, considering the public outrage they would engender, given the outcome.
We need to see those tapes, that will tell the story of JPJA’s competence in handling of this issue, and much more, such as what security led to Morgan being outside. i do not buy “she just walked out and could not get back in because of policy.”
Finally we need to know the real facts around Morgan;s leaving JPJA, not some vague mishmash about “she was wobbly, blahblahblah” and she went out for a smoke, or to the bathroom, and voila she was outside, and she just found herself outside somehow and it was a big mystery, and no one knows how she got there, when there were smoking places inside, and some people were routinely let back in (according to other posters), and then there was this policy that they we going to enforce that she could not get back in———
IT MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER, TO A THINKING PERSON.
IF Morgan was ejected, 1. JPJA/UVA is liable for the ensuing events, and 2. JPJA/UVA is incompetent, especially to assess danger to a young woman alone in their dark parking lot, and 3. JPJA AND UVA NEED TO COME CLEAN AND SHOW THE TAPES, find the “security” that “escorted her”, was it real or pretend security?, and find if they had any alibi whatsoever for what happened to Morgan.
I smell a coverup.
RE:Amy says:October 6, 2010 at 1:24 pm and susan says: October 6, 2010 at 10:45 am
It seems like you could be suggesting a mistake in identity then; BGs harassed Dee/ but Morgan ended up outside. I hope Dee was questioned by LE, too. Especially because of public mistakes in identity, maybe there were some that night.
Susan — I think LE has been extremely protective of morgan in this entire process, maybe to the detriment of the case if one believes they should be more open. They withheld confirming that she had been drinking as long as they could until the drug and alchohol rumors were getting out of hand, and even then minimized it to simply say she had been drinking, was not acting rationally for her and that there was no evidence of drug use. I am sure they know what she was doing on the car ride down.
No one would be ejected for being tipsy. IMO she was probably considerably drunk and pissed off at one of her friends and did something stupid in walking out. I also don’t believe anyone is routinely let back in or much of anything that one poster, who claims to have been visited himself by LE in connection with the case, says.
I have to tell you I have spoken with other witnesses who were asked to take the camera they were nabbed with and return it to the car or get rid of it, and were let back in. I am not suggesting this happened to Morgan, I think the evidence proves it did not, but I am just saying the policy is not as hardfast as they would have you believe.
B
I would like to see the VSP get the security tapes from the most recent rock event and compare it to the Metallica tapes to see what differences there are regards which areas and entrances are recorded by which cameras and then to ask some hard questions about any differences and omissions.
Without being paranoid, we have the VSP (State of Virginia) investigating the possible involvement or gross incompetence of personnel associated with JPJ Arena which in turn is owned by UVa (State of Virginia). In a sense the State of Virginia is investigating itself.
Hi, I am back – after a suboptimal weekend which culminated in an idiotic domestic accident at shortly before midnight on Sunday which in turn led to a glued cut and having deactivated tetanus toxins injected into my left deltoid at around 4am in a chaotic emergency room full with babies suffering from excessive vomiting. I have been reading in the meantime, but didn’t write because I still can’t really lift my arm. Apart from that, the vaccine also gave me fever.
Anyway, it happened while I was watching a DVD of “The Accused”, great film – thought of you. When I got to hospital, the triage nurse classified my mental status as “alert/oriented” (good to know, sometimes I am not that sure about that), but I knew the reason why he asked all those questions how exactly I managed to hit my head on the door frame while putting up laundry were to assess just that. He gave me that look a few times when he walked across the room, making sure I don’t have any neurological issues.
Anyway.
@ Word girl: not offended, just puzzled.
@ Mom3.0 and lizzi: Fully support what you have said.
@ Texas Grandfather: I am younger than you, but also don’t understand binge drinking. We wouldn’t have done it. I believe it is not just about opportunity. I could – now – go to the shops and buy a bottle of something strong and get completely plastered. But I don’t. It was the same when we were students. Alcohol was accessible, it was just that we didn’t really drink, just small quantities, very occasionally. A minority, usually from a privileged background, drank, but they dropped out of university very rapidly. Drugs were virtually unknown to us. There were a few who smoked pot, but it didn’t seem to do them any harm. Problems arose amongst the next generation, because of taking ecstasy, which seemed to burn holes in their brains. Very scary.
I have long suspected that Morgan was asked to leave the arena, but not formally ejected.
I think this quote is somewhat informative:
“Albemarle County Police Lt. Todd Hopwood says that police were summoned by RMC Security, the Richmond-based firm that provides security at large UVA events, after Hogberg, who was also charged with being drunk in public, was ejected from the Stadium.
‘If someone voluntarily leaves,’ says Hopwood, ‘they don’t call the police, so evidently they were having a problem with Mr. Hogberg.’”
http://www.readthehook.com/blog/inde…ering-stadium/
So Morgan could have been given such an option by security (or someone familiar with the policy posing as security) and she chose to voluntarily leave.
This quote by Geller is also interesting:
“‘We have no information to believe,’ says Geller, ‘that she was forced to leave or asked to leave, or anything of that nature.’
Security at the 16,000-seat facility is outsourced to RMC Events, a Richmond-based firm with a Charlottesville office. Company President Dan Schmitt declined comment, referring questions to Arena management, who also declined comment.”
http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:…etails-emerge/
So,
RMC Events declines to comment
Arena management refuses to comment
And Geller qualifies her answer . . . “We have no information to believe”
Wouldn’t she KNOW?
Or did RMC tell investigators that she voluntarily left and nothing else, technically the truth?
blink asked, “with whom was that complaint filed?”
Albemarle County Circuit Court
Kitze, J
CR93008072-01
CR93008073-01
Code Section: 19.2-306
Date of offense: 5/12/10
Charges filed 6/03/10
Arrest date: 6/11/10
Trial continued until 10/5/10
Result: probation revoked
Thank you Diana h.
I meant on behalf of whomever he stalked, it said he had not been charged for whatever it was, I don’t recall at the moment.
B
Your welcome Blink.
Couple of things that come to mind…
Because Kitze’s probation (after serving some time for crime of rape) was being considered for revocation, perhaps the women who complained about the stalking are shielded by the rape shield laws that cover the original victim of the crime?
–and –
The preponderance of evidence of the stalking – even though not formally charged – might have allowed the court to revoke his probation. I think the burden of proof is far less for revocation of probation.
This is just my sense of it.
d.
Susan & all,
Great posts. I had asked long ago about Morgan being possibly ejected. As time has gone on, I some how came to assume there was some secret reason she ended up outside. But if LE is still without a reason 1 year later, I think it is high time to look into that option. I think it is feasible. I think it is possible. I am thinking it is likely.
Regarding Dee, if you recall she is seen at the end of Metallica with one of those silver/grey balls on video. Unless, she left and came back in? No, not policy. We can’t have a hard and fast rule that is not being upheld. We all know there are folks who donot follow policy when the chiefs are absent. The old, depends on who’s on duty policy. So, I dont believe anything can be discounted, and it would be a damn shame if that was not thoroughly looked at. Time is not our friend with this, how long do they retain video, or would this be held for a potential trial?
Susan
I agree with the problem with the tapes. I said long ago that either the video system was not state of the art and was mostly smoke and mirrors or someone in charge of the system removed the tapes and are a part of a coverup.
I believe it was George that suggested the arena produce tapes from similar concerts near the time of the Metallica concert. Depending on how long the rentention period is for tapes, this may not be possible.
Another B, OT
I meant to send good wishes on your injury and tetanus. They do make an arm sore. Your description of the ER made me laugh. Our recent open house at a jr high parent orientation was described by me as being like an ER waiting room, but yes minus the vomiting.
I dunno, I think I may have vomitted at that, lol.
Watch glee.
B
I believe Dr. Harrington posted some time ago, that the video system in the arena does not store images. If this is correct, they must, in my view, by now be in serious trouble with their insurer, for a variety of obvious reasons.
More intriguing, I find, is the fact that according to Dr. Harrington, they do not know how she left the building. I could live with the fact that there is no image storage on the system. Big projects tend to have these flaws. But clearly, there must have been someone standing by the front door checking the tickets. Why didn’t they notice her walking against the stream?
These are the scenarios I came up with:
- Morgan leaves through the front entrance, door person does not alert her to the no re-entry policy, which would have been his duty and lies to the police saying he didn’t see her.
- Morgan leaves through an unalarmed fire exit. The person who forgot to activate the alarm is afraid of losing his job and lies to the police.
- Morgan accidentally gets into a staff only area, again because of human error, and the person who left the door open lies to the police about it. Without any knowledge of the anatomy of the arena, I would like to state that in similar venues I know, you can easily end up in the delivery bay. It only takes one door left open, and you find yourself outside.
Eloise &all, The ball drop was at the end of the concert- I have watched the videos and every single song (except Gorgira) that was placed on youtube- I can find Dee or members of her party. Keep in mind that Gorgira was on first then LOG- then Metallica- so it is feasible that Dee was near the bridge earlier- but IMO not during Metallica-
She did say on FB that the boys in black walking with a girl was (probably)her – but she added that she couldn’t be 100% positive-
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Dee Spolarics (JMU) wrote41 minutes ago
I’m going to write something to try to clear up all misconceptions about me, feel free to use it to clear up things in other places:
I got to the concert early with me and my 4 guy friends, all in black T-shirts, one of them being my boyfriend. We were in General Admission. I stayed there the whole time expect for going to the bathroom a few times. I wore my hair down but put it up at one point because it was hot. I did not fall, I did not get hurt, I was not drinking, there was no conflict, I was just watching a concert. We did not really move around all that much. At the end, I was trying to get picks that they were throwing out like everybody else. My boyfriend and I got one of those big balloons and walked out together with it. We went outside and with the huge crowd of people going outside then we got into our friend’s car and went back to JMU and went to sleep because we were all exhausted. That’s it. I hope that can clear up anybody’s questions.
Now let’s keep in mind what this is really about, MORGAN. Best wishes to all, happy holidays.
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Jenn Martus wrote24 minutes ago
Dee..I am sorry to ask yet another question..but I am thinking back to one of the ’sightings’ near the bridge..where they saw a blonde with 4 guys in black..and assumed it was Morgan. Reading your post and seeing you were with 4 guys in black..was this you they saw possibly?!? And thank you for the Holiday wishes…the same to you and yours.
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Dee Spolarics (JMU) wrote9 minutes ago
You know, I’m guessing it was but I cannot say with 100% certainty
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I think LE knows who the guys in black were-and if they were with Morgan …
Blink if you can answer- was this account Morgan or not?
It was Morgan with the BIB in Lanigan, as per the female witness, and the fact that Dee was inside the arena by then.
B
One last thought. Weren’t we given the impression that guy ‘DW”, had made a comment something to the effect, that he wished there was more he could have done to help Morgan? Placing that in the new light of her being asked or forcibly removed, doesnt that add a whole new light to that commment?
MOM3,
I am in agreement with you, did you not get that from what I wrote? I hope I didnt screw up my post, lol. But, yes, Dee had the balloon/ball thing per video.
Morgan looked forward to this concert for 6 months. I am really becoming convinced she would not have left the arena on her own, especially with the reports of her getting upset because they wouldn’t let her back in.
Does LE know who the BIB are?
hello Eloise- I was commenting on your question of unless she ca\me back out and reentered…
anotherB- Hello 0 glasd your back- I seemed to have missed your mention of getting a shot- I hope you and yours are all okay.
Thank you Blink for answering my query.
Eloise yes I always thought DW’s comment of I wish there was something more I could have done – very heart wrenching- in the early days – with kickees statement- he made mention of a scuffle at the door yelling- and a female security guard IIRC-
I always thought that a woman security guard would have been harder on Morgan then a male sg- sexist maybe- but once being a young woman myself- I found it easier to give men a sob story or a damsel in distress story- to which they would try to help me- IMO a female sg would be more of a stickler for the rules-
Perhaps sadly, this is what Morgan thought too and ran into a not so helpful sg or someone posing as such….
Sorry those links @7:32 did not work. Try these:
http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2009/11/30/taser-stops-man-and-bottle-from-entering-stadium/
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2009/11/04/still-missing-ed-smart-joins-harrington-parents-new-details-emerge/
Also from the second link:
“Geller says police have reviewed hours of surveillance footage from the Arena and from area businesses yet have found no images of Morgan. But according to the owner of the closest convenience store to John Paul Jones Arena, the 7-11 on Ivy Road, it was several days before investigators reviewed her store’s tapes.
“I believe it was Wednesday, October 21,” says 7-11 franchise owner Sabiha Raja.
Asked why it took so long, Geller said at the press conference, “It depends when that information might have come in.”
An employee of nearby BB&T bank declined comment on investigators reviewing surveillance at the bank, and the manager of the Cavalier Inn Best Western on Emmet Street did not return the Hook’s call by posting time.”
Starbucks thanks for the link your post was very informative…I’m glad to see you back along with others- rvrb twoforks-central va native away- ect.
Good to have you guys posting right along with Redly and TGF and Katie Concernedmom judi- JEES Eloise ect.
Hummingbird- I love Van Morrison your post was very beautiful LONG LIVE ROCK and ROLL!
Sassy thanks for that rape stat- I did not know that..
AnotherB,
Sorry to read about your injury….I too was rendered unable to attend to my official duties by a brown recluse bite.
just checking in on team morgan….take care all,r
I could have missed many comments, but I do not recall that Dr. Harrington said the ARENA security cameras do not store images. I do remember that he said traffic cameras located at intersections near the arena do not store images. This was during a discussion about whether those cameras would possibly have images of cars leaving the area during the time Morgan is thought to have been taken either from the parking lots or bridge. Those cameras are for traffic control. I’m not sure exactly what that means, but perhaps the cameras are used to automatically adjust traffic light timing based on traffic volume. As to the arena cameras, I have no idea whether or not images are stored. Certainly, Dr. Harrington in the last 11+ months has had to learn much more than he would ever have wanted to know about arena security. If he did make the statement that the cameras do not store images, then I would believe that he speaks from experience. I just do not remember having read that comment. I think I do remember that either he or LE said that Dr. and Mrs. Harrington reviewed hours of footage and had seen no images of Morgan. I do remember that early on, when footage of Dee was discovered, the Harringtons did believe initially that those images could have been Morgan, but they finally came to the conclusion, later confirmed by Dee, that the footage was not of their daughter. I don’t remember ever hearing where the hours of footage originated. Possibly a combination of various sources, maybe including fan shot video, security camera footage from the arena and area businesses.
I do not believe he has ever stated that about arena cameras as well.
I have a question for one of our savvy readers-
What different color wrist bands were given out that evening for which different areas (confirmed)?
For Example- orange granted floor access, this we know. Were there others for different access areas? Separate one for buying beer/ ETOH?
B
Sorry, again reading from the newest to the last posting back. We make comments about “tapes” missing from the security cameras. First, if any tapes are missing, then I believe LE is fully aware of that fact whether released to the public or not. If there are 25 cameras in the arena, whether stored on one tape, disc or whatever or 25 individual tapes, and there are images from only 24, then I just don’t believe LE wouldn’t suspect something fishy. Do arenas and other such public venues, with newer security systems, actually store images on “tapes” today, or are those images stored in some type of computer data base. Again, and I’ve posted this before, I do not believe investigators are so clueless that they haven’t noticed even a brief break in coverage. Now I’m saying all of this with absolutely no knowledge of the storing of such images. Could be easier than I think to fool what should be very competent investigators.
An interesting and disturbing report this morning. A GPS system used to track 1000′s of SO’s all across the country was down for a period to time yesterday. The report stated that the wearers probably were not even aware that the system had gone down, but could have resulted in the location of 16,000 offenders being unknown during the outage.
Dear Lord. I want to know what alerts were made to LE and what actions were taken.
Is there an emergency plan in place, warnings, etc. Is someone reviewing the backup today?
B
Blink, to follow is the Fox News link for the story.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/10/06/official-gps-tracks-sex-offenders-failed-hours/?test=latestnews
CBS, to this point seems to only have a link to the affect in Wisconsin and the actions taken there.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20018843-504083.html?tag=stack
MSNBC’s report also came from the Associated Press and seems to be identical to the Fox story..
at one point the FBI was or became involved in this investigation. does anyone know if they are still involved? someone had also posted the typical criteria that calls for FBI involvement. can anyone provide that again without too much effort?
oops, hit submit before i was finished. just a few more questions…
re-reading some initial reports and accounts, i find some of the more basic, mundane information really stands out after all the research that has been done here.
susan had posted a link to the hook article. one of the last few witnesses to see report morgan with BIB was a bookeeper/musician and mother of two. that combo is fairly unique. does this recall anyone’s spouse we have have discussed? someone comes to mind for me, but i’m not exactly sure all the criteria are met.
same person mentions “we” in her account to reporters. and this account was reported in context with kickees account. has me wondering if these accounts are somehow related.
I cannot look for links right now, but I thought I recalled orange for etoh and green for underage. RE discussion on FM of footage of different Morgan’s. Will look tonight. You all will find sooner anyway.
VERY interesting read…..specifically the last page.
http://www.virginia.edu/uvapolice/cleryact.pdf
There has been a petition started to release JPJ security tapes from that evening because people want to know WHY their state of the art security cameras did not pick her up on camera….
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/96415834.html
IMO, SOMEONE KNEW WHERE THE SURROUNDING SECURITY CAMERAS WERE……We’ve looked at all the surveillance video — gas stations, convenience stores, ATMs — any camera in that immediate area has been looked at,” Geller said. “Nothing in the videos is relevant to the case.”
http://refugeesunleashed.net/about21461.html
This article says that UVA installed cameras in 1994 in many parking lots, etc.
http://www.virginia.edu/finance/polproc/pol/xie1.html
I AM UPSET BY SOME OF THE LOCAL COMMENTS HERE.
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/102893839.html?storySection=comments
This is what burns my bippy. In your first link, last page, discussing Morgan’s case, they don’t even have the dang year right for the Fairfax rape. Seriously.
B
Wonder why this pages was taken down…
http://www.virginia.edu/uvapolice/bluephones.pdf
It is up, J
B
BLINK: I have really convinced myself that someone in security is involved and am spending hours doing online research based on this belief. In your opinion, are we heading down the right path with this?
Judi, your a devoted and voracious reader/contributor here.
You already know my answer, probably from within the first few weeks of Morgan’s disappearance and my last article on “security failures”.
B
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/104443393.html
Woman Vs. Woman In Cage Fight At Downtown Mall Arena
Mixed Martial Arts cage fighting will soon be added to its list of attractions on Charlottesville’s Downtown Mall. The Main Street Arena will host the fights on October 29.
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There has been talk of MMA here. I thought readers would be interested to know that the women of MMA are hosting a fight in Cville.
MsL says:
October 7, 2010 at 8:58 am
“If he did make the statement that the cameras do not store images, then I would believe that he speaks from experience.”
I believe Dr. Harrington said that he was told the traffic cameras do not store images. There are traffic cameras at the intersection of Copely and Massie Road (near the front of JPJA) and cameras at the intersection of Copely Road and Ivy Road (Route 250), just past the bridge where Morgan was last seen.