BlinkOnCrime.com Editorial: UVA Violated The Jeanne Clery Act AND Failed To Report Another Sex Crime
Charlottesville, VA– Late Tuesday evening, prompted by questions by the Editor In Chief of blinkoncrime.com about a recent rape which occurred at the DZ sorority on Chancellor Street, The University of Virginia sent out an alert to students.
However, as required of UVA by the Clery Act, the alert was 10 days late. Charlottesville Police recorded a police report of a forcible rape on September 17, 2010.
The Jeanne Clery Act, founded by her parents, Howard and Connie Clery, is a Federal Law applicable to all Higher Learning Institutions that participate in Federal funding assistance which requires mandatory reporting for specified crimes.
Constance and Howard Clery founders of Security ON Campus, Inc. after their 19 year old daughter Jeanne was brutally raped, tortured and murdered while sleeping in her dorm on April 5, 1986.
Fellow Lehigh University co-eds propped 3 different doors open, in violation of security rules, unknowingly allowing her killer access.
The bill which became a Federal law, was based on the fact that 38 different violent offenses occurred at Lehigh U that the student body was never made aware of prior to Clery’s murder. Had they been, it is almost certain not only would the automatic locking doors have been inaccessible, but parents and students combined would have demanded security upgrades to prevent such a heinous event.
Following the email that went to 23,000 students at 11:01 PM September 28, Allen Groves, Dean of Students, and Lt. Melissa Fielding of the University Police Department, held an impromptu press conference Wednesday, as a follow up to the email alert with some additional background information.
PART 2
Time line Breakdown
9–17 1:15am UVA student attacked from behind, raped and beaten on Delta Zeta House, Chancellor Street.
9-17 Noon- Email Equivalent to “Whisper Down the Rotunda” Begins:
Received a third party email, NOT from the victim, indicating a stranger attack had occurred to a sister, as previously reported at blinkoncrime.com, at DZ House on Chancellor St. We forwarded that on to our endless list of associate deans. They called the Sorority president for more information so that we might begin “acting upon it”.
9–18 Additional Sexual Assault Occurs At Fraternity on Madison Lane 3AM
*Unreported To Students To Date*
9–18 A Robbery Occurs During the Course of Above, Same Frat 3AM
*Unreported To Students To Date*
9–19 A Breaking And Entering Occurs, Undisclosed Sorority House, Chancellor St
*Unreported To Students To Date*
9-20 Associate Dean reaches out directly to the victim to ..”get the details of the attack and also to assist the student. No contact made with victim.
9–20 Associate Deans Office receives call from a female student’s Mother that her daughter was nearly sexually assaulted in a pantry at a Fraternity party at approximately midnight, September 18. Add additionally, Groves speaks to a man claiming to be assaulted due to his sexual preference, which would be considered a hate crime, also reportable under the Clery Act. According to Groves and Fielding no police report has been filed. (Editors Note: If this took place at the same “undisclosed frat” as the 3am forcible fondling and robbery incidents– Is this the same perp? So he never fled the scene? So, we have 2 incidents that have Charlottesville PD police reports, one of a sex crime in nature, and an additional attempted sex crime reported directly to administration on 9/20 within a three hour span, at either the same fraternity, or a neighboring one, and it takes 8 days to notify anyone, and they still have not interviewed anyone at the “undisclosed” frat regarding the incidents?
9-21 Internal Meeting about the 9/17 forcible rape but to UVA, they are “unclear” sex assault occurs, still no contact with, or direct information with the victim. ( Editors Note: Groves says Charlottesville PD has still not classified the incident as a sex assault. (Editors Note: This is ludicrous and utter bs. The report specifically states “forcible rape”. I can tell you as an absolute fact, that members of the sorority AS WELL AS the other sororities on Chancellor sent emails back and forth to alert each other which specifically included details of the assault).
9-21 Associate Dean contacts Cville PD. Was told .. Yes, investigating the incident, but would not be in a position to disclose whether there had been an assault or sexual assault also, at that point. We then conferred with the university police to see if there was anything they could tell us so that we could determine whether or not a sex assault occurred in that setting.
9-23 Sorority Meeting held, without the victim, to discuss outreach opportunities.
9-27 First time Associate dean heard directly from the victim in response to the outreach efforts, first time she was in a position to come forward (out of hospital). Victim had to cancel and has rescheduled.
9-28 “.. Certainly by last evening… after conferring with Lt. Fielding and others I felt we had enough information.. Even though to my knowledge Charlottesville Police have not classified this as a sexual assault..” but we believe we had enough, even though it was not our investigation, it was Charlottesville Police responsibility to alert..” (Editors Note: Not a syllable about the email I sent to Ms. Wood, who was unaware of the incident, and very responsive to me. The alert went out at 11:01 PM, 45 minutes after our article regarding same, was published. In this editors opinion, there were no plans whatsoever to alert students until I requested a comment, specifying it was to be included in the piece we were finishing regarding the fact that the rape had not yet been disclosed as an alert, as required by the Clery Act. This was done to balance what was certain to be seen as a scandalous announcement in the wake of Morgan Harrington and Yeardley Love murders, and days after the University’s “Day of Dialogue.” I felt they should certainly be offered an opportunity to address the issue from their perspective, the email was their response to that invitation).
Clearly A Clery Violation… Again
The Articles for reporting within the Clery Act are unambiguous. While I understand the need to alert students and parents with credible and useful information, this is not for UVA officials to decide unilaterally. In fact, it is not for them to ever need to “corroborate” or interview a victim regarding the details of any crime committed against them as identified in the Clery Act for UVA to observe the requirements of them under the Federal law.
In short, they have their own police. They have their “online form”. They have Charlottesville PD police report direct feed.
In 2004, The Board of Education found that UVA violated the Clery Act by requiring a rape victim to sign a confidentiality agreement, but gave them a pass by not imposing sanctions because there was some confusion as to the reporting rules and protocol. UVA was informed they will be assessed a $27,500 sanction fee for any future violations.
As I am certain many of you are over my bloviations about the subject, and in the interest of disclosure, I have personal ties to Lehigh University.
Also in the interest of disclosure, I am embarrassed to say that I was not aware that Ms. Clery’s murder occurred there until researching the Clery Act.
Some Posts from members of your local community for consumption, I will be updating poignant comments.
Blinkoncrime.com Poster Starbucks:
Regarding the “off grounds” issue, I’m sorry but I find University’s excuses in this area ludicrous and totally disingenuous.
The Clery Act, passed in 1990, unambiguously provides that its reporting requirements are not limited to crimes occurring on campus/”Grounds.” The University has had twenty years to figure out how to comply with this law, and yet its officials act as dumbfounded as ever. One would think that UVA is the only school in the nation with a significant portion of its student body living off campus/Grounds, but in close proximity to the University. Of course, this situation is commonplace.
If UVA is having such a difficult time dealing with the “off grounds” issue, I suggest that President Sullivan get in contact with the appropriate officials at her previous institutions. Sullivan spent most of her career at the University of Texas where 80% of its undergraduate student body lives off campus, as opposed to 57% at UVA. She then spent about four years at the University of Michigan where 37% of its undergraduates live off campus. There is no need to reinvent the wheel here; if UVA officials can’t figure out how to report crimes occurring near its campus, they should go study how other universities are dealing with this perplexing problem.
The implication that there is no communication between the Charlottesville Police and the UVA police/campus officials simply stretches the bounds of credulity.
UVA is required by the Clery Act to provide:
(C) A statement of current policies concerning campus law enforcement, including—
(ii) the working relationship of campus security personnel with State and local law enforcement agencies, including whether the institution has agreements with such agencies, such as written memoranda of understanding, for the investigation of alleged criminal offenses; and
(iii) policies which encourage accurate and prompt reporting of all crimes to the campus police and the appropriate law enforcement agencies.
I can’t seem to find UVA’s policies in this area. I challenge the University to prominently publish all of the required Clery Act policy statements on its website.
UVA is on notice:
“This determination finds that the University violated the Clery Act. However, as was noted in our July 2004 Final Determination in another case, there was apparent confusion in the higher education community regarding the intersection of the disclosure requirement under the Clery Act and the strictures of FERPA. For this reason, the Department will not impose any fines or other sanctions at this time. However, UVA is advised that any subsequent violations of the Clery Act will result in a referral for the imposition of a civil penalty up to $27,500 per infraction.”
http://federalstudentaid.ed.gov/datacenter/cleryact/uva/UVAProgramReviewReport11032008.pdf
So please UVA, stop the excuses and clean up your act now.
Madeline Tanner, Elizabeth Morton, contributing editors
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Just found the link. He meant both the cameras on the road and inside the arena.
Judi says:
October 7, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Judi according to this early post on FB one person at JPJ was aware of at least one camera but only in the garage area, he does say that there was alot of security-
David Rondeau (VCCS) wrote
at 10:27pm on October 20th, 2009
i work at UVA(JPJ) security was pretty tight there, and they prob. have checked tapes already. I know that the garage def. has at least one camera on the second floor.
BTW- anyone that has watched the footage on youtube- knows that there was an abundance of security personnel in the arena- I wonder just how many were outside and at the doors?- We know from Skyler’s and others’ accounts, there werequite a few parking attendants – Are they all part of security or are they different?
Upon rereading- DR statement- he was aware of cameras- he was only aware of one definitely in the garage area, on the second floor- This was posted Oct 20th and he wrote that he thought the cameras would have already been checked- which to me, implies that DR at least thought the cameras could hold images for a # of days at least- as he did not seem to be nervous about LE getting to them in case they were erased- JMO
Well the minute I came home, I tried researching armbands with JPJA. Maybe it’s the terms I am using, but I haven’t come up with much. I do wonder though, alot of events in general change out their bands/stamps etc, based on supply and to prevent reuse etc. ( know from experience). As I said earlier my original source FM, had lots of discussion on this topic along with screen shots of various people. I dont know how to reference that now. It does make me wonder, was an arm band found at AF?
I did spot this info ad on a ticketmaster site, not that it adds alot of info for us, but it is a little more informative than the JPJA site. This references basketball, I dont know if the event changes the rules.
~snip~
- Alcoholic beverages ARE STRICTLY PROHIBITED within John Paul Jones Arena. Persons identified with alcohol will be asked to leave the premises. Guests appearing intoxicated will be subject to ejection and turned over to Police. NO refunds will be given in these cases.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xUoHOScGtxcJ:www.ticketmaster.com/John-Paul-Jones-Arena-tickets-Charlottesville/venue/8997+John+Paul+Jones+Arena+alcohol+policy&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
I wonder how many people are truly turned over to the police for appearing intoxicated?
The event does change the rule. There is no alcohol served at any student event there or at the football stadium, though you can have alcohol in the suites. When the arena is used for a third-parties event as opposed to the university, like for instance by metallica here, I have head that you can buy beer at some of these events. Unfortunately, I haven’t attended one that allowed drinking so can’t confirm this or give you much info on the wristbands. I really doubt they would give wristbands to indicate people who could drink though as that would be an easy system to game. I have never been in a large arena that didn’t simply card each time you buy beer (unless you were obviously overage). I can see them using wristbands to indicate who has a floor pass though.
I have seen a good number of people escorted out of football and basketball games for being intoxicated and obnoxious (it always takes both in my experience). I doubt they were handed over to the police as opposed to just being asked to leave unless they got belligerent.
Thanks redly. I can say that at events I attend for music, if you wish to drink beer etc, you get in line to be carded and that gives you a wrist band. Only those w/ a wrist band can purchase etoh at the beer tents etc. They use cops to ID. This is in VA, but not Charlottesville.
This is what burns my bippy. In your first link, last page, discussing Morgan’s case, they don’t even have the dang year right for the Fairfax rape. Seriously.
B
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Oh my, Blink!! I didn’t even notice that!! I’m so sorry
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It is up, J
B
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Problem must be something on my end then
I just tried it again and got…
This webpage is not available.
The webpage at http://www.virginia.edu/uvapolice/bluephones.pdf might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.
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And, yes, B, I know
It’s crazy. It all makes so much sense and LE MUST know (is this why they won’t talk about how she ended up outside OR what she said to the BB players???) and it makes me sick and I guess the only thing I can think of on why LE hasn’t made an arrest is that they might not know WHICH of the hundreds of security guards that were probably there that night is THE security guard(s) because he/they knew how to cover their tracks to a T.
And, Blink, I heart you
UVa Announces Plans for Morgan Harrington Anniversary Event
A dedication ceremony for a plaque and a film honoring Morgan Dana Harrington will take place on Oct. 17, the one-year anniversary of her disappearance
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/UVa_Announces_Plans_for_Morgan_Harrington_Anniversary_Event_104514994.html
Eloise, from what I understand, the procedure is much the same at the arena when there are events allowing alcohol. At a recent country concert, I saw the table where people were carded and then had a wrist band put in place. I didn’t pay any attention to the type of wrist band or the color. I think there’s also a limit on the # of beers that can be bought, with either the hand or bracelet being marked each time a beer is purchased.
Another sad story of a young life probably lost to violence:
http://community.comcast.net/t5/NewsWrap/Police-Missing-College-Student-s-Body-Found/ba-p/6228920#comments
I had never heard of the Smiley Faced Murders before reading this story. Horrible!
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4738621&page=1
Well, after all of this very good research, I have come to the only conclusion I can, and that is that Event Manager was “in charge” of running the administration of entrances, exits, tickets, security, etc, etc, and then….. for some reason, their actions put a young woman —-tipsy, or not tipsy, intoxicated, or not intoxicated, and definitely injured from a fall in their own venue, out into the cold raining night, without a ride, without an escort, without any defense against the perverts in the dark parking lots, bottom line, put her into mortal danger.
Event Manager did not follow the standard of reasonable care if Morgan was intoxicated or injured, and if they had followed that standard, she would still be alive now. Nor did Event Manager show reasonable concern for the consequences of their decision. All of EM’s staff should be well aware of VA law if they take the DCJS class which is required of them.
If Morgan was ill, not intoxicated, the matter is the same. EM did not use the standard of care necessary in this case to reunite Morgan with her friends, her parents, or someone who could help her. In short they failed at their job miserably.
The refusal by Event Manager to allow Morgan to re-enter JPJA, or at least re-enter into the safety of a waiting area, or an emergency care facility, was the tipping point where this situation went horribly wrong.
I am not going to try to guess whose protocol was being followed, UVA, JPJA, or Event Manager. But I do strongly believe that the person who encountered Morgan trying to re-enter, exhibited depraved indifference to her situation, and to her well being.
For that matter, I think that Event Manager, and its person(s) who interfaced with Morgan is the first line of accountability for the aftermath, and I think that in consideration of the fact that VSP has not closed this case, or for that matter even let us know that the 2005 rapist has been id’ed and questioned , or has even been found, in deference to Morgan, and to make a statement that this sort of depraved indifference to the safety of JPJA’s own patrons will not be tolerated going forward, there needs to be an accounting for the failures of Event Manager in a court of law, with damages paid to her family, which can certainly never recover the loss that her family has sustained, but which would send a message that there is no tolerance for depraved indifference to human life and safety, certainly not in the setting of a college campus, and especially with patrons under the age of 21.
If Event Manager wants to blame JPJA, and UVA for policies, then let the chips fall where they may. But this hideous case of depraved indifference to the safety of a young woman must be put in the spotlight, so it will never happen again,=== that concert managers and ticket takers and supposed policy makers are so cavalier and disregarding of human safety that they would create the setting for this disaster, and then have the audacity to refuse to comment on the situation.
Deplorable.
Just stopping by. Haven’t posted in a while. Read the posts, All I have to say is good work – there is still so much to uncover.
This is going to be a tough nut to crack so to speak for LE. Security guards work closely with LE as per the H&H site. I’m sure close enough to make him knowledgeable enough to stay just out of LE’s reach it seems.
If the crack finally happens, I have no doubt it will be in part due to all of Blink’s tremendously dedicated hard work.
I update my husband daily on what we talk about here. As he puts it, we have a wolf in sheep’s clothing in a herd of sheeps.
The next avenue I myself was hoping to take is to see what security guards live in the immediate area of AF.
I tried Facebook – no dice.
I tried seeing if I could look up people who have security guard licenses – no dice.
Any ideas?
Dee quote: we got into our friend’s car and went back to JMU and went to sleep because we were all exhausted. That’s it. I hope that can clear up anybody’s questions.
actually no it doesnt:
I distinctely remember a phone conversation mentioned in a comment in which an afterparty was planned but unfortunately one of the friends told D ‘we have one missing’
this means: not exhausted enough (MIB + D?? + friends) to at least not consider a party , if i count right it would mean was 2 not single guys and 2 girls (De+ bfriend + DN + absent gfriend)
would this be a simulacrum:
friends quote: we got into our friend’s car and went back to (JMU) and went to sleep because we were all exhausted. That’s it. I hope that can clear up anybody’s questions. Some kind of blind date going on???
no accusations just more questions, we are patient for answers
J4M
I’m gonna cut right to the chase….
What was done to Morgan just flat out pisses me off to the very core!!
There has got to be a way to catch this bastard. Somehow, somewhere, there has got to be a way. There is no such thing as a perfect crime!!
Dammit!! Where is that one damn piece of something, ANYTHING that will nail his ass??? It’s got to be out there somewhere!
Maybe, if we’re lucky, someday he will end up in jail for the rest of his sorry excuse for a life, and he’ll become somebody else’s to do what they want with like he felt he could and did do to Morgan. Hope he gets to suffer in such pain, a pain that would be the physical equivalent of the emotional pain which the Harringtons feel to their very core every minute of every day. Maybe HE will end up on the other end of the spectrum – wonder how he’ll like it?
Yes, I am getting to the point of being pretty damn angry that he continues to live his life, happy as can be, stepping into that sheep’s skin of his every morning, posing as a person of order and peace and protection, while the wolf inside him waits to be woken again, which is no doubt will.
Haven’t commented in a while but I’m still here, waiting for justice for Morgan. I followed the links from the previous page to some old websleuths threads. There was talk on there (from Nov. 09) of a high school principal or administrator who was seated behind Morgan and friends at the concert. The story was relayed by a friend of the principal “because of his position he didn’t want to get involved”, or something to that effect. Anyhow, this guy said Morgan got sick at her seat, so sick that he and her friends had to help her out of the seating area. It sounded like he may have even taken her outside, but I couldn’t be sure from the info available on the thread. I had never heard of this before, and I’m just wondering if this has ever been vetted, or if it’s true. If it IS true, we at least know that she was pretty sick (vomiting?), and that would be a reason to leave the arena.
I still believe she was stalked once outside by someone, perhaps in a vehicle, who followed her movements and waited until she was alone.
I also am not sure I believe the “sketch” involvement….was his DNA planted by someone? It’s been almost a year, and won’t it be considered a cold case at that point?
I just can’t believe they haven’t arrested anyone yet, so strange.
Justice for Morgan….Peace to the Harringtons
Amy,
My recollection of that story was Sarah or one in that group, telephoned Dee after the concert to discuss afterparty plans. The response from Morgan’s camp was, well we have someone missing. I do remember this, b/c I thought, how odd that these two groups would end up so intertwined. So, then I guess the concensus was for all to go home and sleep? That remains the big WTF>.
Judi, my fear is the good old boy network preventing thorough investigation into the security angle. I hope someone has the gonads beside Blink.
Judi…I am totally with you (and of course B)
I started posting this last night but ended up getting so tired that I fell asleep with my laptop on but lost internet connection and my entire post deleted.
It basically said that I googled “security charlottesville, va” and Vector Security popped up underneath H&H. I looked at the website and it seems like a credible company. Google Maps lists two different locations in CVille
1.
1700 Seminole Trl # 3
Charlottesville, VA 22901-5508 (434) 979-8651
vectorsecurity.com
2.
Ste 4, 2200 Old Ivy Rd, Charlottesville, VA (888) 979-8651 ()
It mentions that all security guards are thoroughly screened with background checks etc and that it has several other locations in Virginia…to name a few…
Harrisonburg, Staunton, Richmond and several others in the state.
If I remember correctly.. we do not know for certain the company who ran security that night and that we really dont know what outside security firms UVA works with…right?
So I decided to look at other possibilities (apologies if this has already been examined & ruled out
Seeing as though the BG could very possibly be in the security industry, his DNA is not in the system (he would pass a background check)
It may be possible that guards working for this company travel from town to town to work events.
We’ve examined the notion that this could be an out of towner who comes to the area every so often and has become familiar with Cville area including AF.
I have been watching too many episodes of the mentalist, the good wife and ncis (original and Los Angeles)…wish we had that type of technology!! But the BG is often related indirectly to the area.
So Judi…..let’s get cookin on the security research.
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As I searched last night for any information on private security firms that UVA is authorized to hire….I came across this VERY INTERESTING LINK that you all probably have already seen. But it was new to me and may be to other blinkers. It was drafted in 2006 after a meeting to discuss the definition of campus security officers. NOTE: THAT IT SAY ANY OUTSIDE SECURITY FIRM IS NOT REQUIRED TO RECEIVE AS MUCH TRAINING AS PRIMARY CAMPUS GUARDS.
A list of those in attendance is at the end of the article.
“BLUEPRINT FOR CHANGE: CRIMINAL JUSTICE POLICY PROCEDURES IN VIRGINIA
-ENHANCING VIRGINIA’S CAMPUS SECURITY & SAFETY”
HERE’S THE LINK:
http://www.dcjs.virginia.gov/blueprints/campussecurity.pdf
Im gonna keep on diggin
j4m
susan
Somewhere a poster mentioned a flight attendant who worked tickets and door security at JPJA. As we all know, flight attendents are trained in safety techniques and passenger control. This particular attendant stated that in her opinion “the event management at JPJA did not have good proceedures for the safety of people attending their events”. So your reference to insurance and liablity may have some very important bearing on why there are not tapes of Morgan.
Is it possible that Morgan got lost and in her confusion she exited the arena via a rear service door and then walked around front to try to get back in? This could explain why the ticket taker at the door refused her entrance.
Are there any cameras that cover the East service area facing hwy 29?
Data storage for video is a matter of correctly identifying the amount of data being collected from cameras and providing high speed magnetic disk capacity of the correct ammount and all data should be on two disks in the event one failed. Following an event at an arena such as JPJA, a good design and operating procedure would be to store inside events on a set of disks and outside events on another. These images could then be transferred for permanent storage to DVD. Any security system that does not have storage is worthless.
Another site I came across while google image searching for “map route 29″
http://peacecommunities.org/lovepeaceandjoy/?tag=the-route-29-serial-killer
there is a WEALTH of information collected over the years of all of the UNSOLVED MURDERS IN THE PAST 29 OR SO YRS IN VIRGINIA
It looks as though the collect data from our site (dont u love how I say “our site” –blinkoncrime) as I recognize Blink’s signature bolded font
It’s very late and I have to go to bed. But please take some time and check out this site. Theres a letter written to the news stations asking whether or not recent missing persons cases were assigned reporters to follow/investigate or if they had any info…the lady says she never received a reply and there was never new info released by the news stations. She also notes a particular case where she was unable to locate ANY info on. Nothing in the newspaper…nada. SO terrible. Man, I wish that I had a billion dollars and I could fund a all-inclusive 24 hour news station devoted to all missing persons. I would so do it and not give a rats hiney if it had low #’s…(it wouldnt) Ah only in our dreams.
Ok…please check out the site
Gnight
Isn’t it odd that the VSP said that they have no video of Morgan but did not comment on wheither or not they have images of others in her party? No statement that all the cameras were working properly with no gaps or erasures. Not very reassuring to someone who might be considering allowing a young son or daughter to attend an event there.
The default assumption for parents was that it of course it’s safe; it’s a UVa-sponsored event at a UVa state-of-the-art facility. Not the assumption anymore.
THIS IS WHY NOBODY CAN STOP UNTIL THIS SOB IS CAUGHT!!
Warning – you will cry your eyes out, I did…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2010/01/21/VI2010012102466.html?sid=ST2010012603242
If ANYBODY who visits here knows something, anything and has kept quiet, maybe this will flip the scale for you.
Not a dry eye in the house. That’s all I got after watching that.
B
“Judi says:
October 7, 2010 at 10:54 pm
I update my husband daily on what we talk about here. As he puts it, we have a wolf in sheep’s clothing in a herd of sheeps.”
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Judi…even worse than a wolf in sheep’s clothing is a wolf in shepherd’s clothing. Sheep are made to, and supposed to, follow the shepherd. Morgan made have been doing what she was told by the “authorities” and was led to her slaughter in the process.
Good Morning,
I am going back in time to review things I intended to follow up on.
Blink said Oct 4, 1041
They are an approved vendor for security services at UVA.
They have nightly engagements all over Cville.
RMC can and does use other security (non-specific) for scalable events.
JPJ utilized off duty LE, regular UVA PD patrols RMC and The bands own security the evening of October 17, 2009.
Moreover, The President of RMC is a board member of the Private Security Section of the VA DOJ.
B
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Daniel Schmitt
Private Security Business Representative
RMC Events
4821 Bethlehem Road
Richmond, VA, 23230
Phone: 804-353-7621
Fax: 804.353.7686
Email: dan@rmcevents.com
Appointed 07/01/2009 – 06/30/2013
Va DOJ website
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Mr. Schmitt is not going to comment on the issue as it is his firm that handled security that night, but I know he has been more than co-operative with LE. He has an excellent business reputation and while he would not speak to me on the rules and regs issues I requested of him, he did put me in touch with Ms. McGee, who is the appropriate regulatory contact.
I found him to be very responsive and polite.
B
So, in Virginia, an armed security guard can make an arrest….
First off, yes, contrary to “public” belief, security guards really do arrest people. Not all security officers can make an arrest, but in Virginia, the “registered armed” ones can. This is not to say that the officer must be armed at the time of arrest, but the officer must be “registered” as an “armed security officer” to affect an arrest by law.
Another shocker to most folks in Virginia is that some security officers carry real ticket books. The same laws that allow the security officer to make an arrest also allow the security officer to release the arrestee on a summons (ticket) to appear in court.
http://www.clientprotectiveservices.com/how-to-become-a-security-guard-in-virginia-faq.html
That is great news. We need some positive contributers on the list. Was Ms. McGee as responsive as he?
I think the discussion we have here has to make people with the power to do so, take at least some action, right?
Judi- thanks for the video link. Very saddening.
She was, yes.
B
@ Texas Grandfather
There should be logs about all fire doors and entrances to restricted areas. I used to work in a building where we had two different systems, all data on fire doors was recorded, this is when they were opened and when they were shut, and there would be an alarm going off at the control room whenever someone opened a fire door. For all other entrances, there would only be a record on when the door was opened and by whom, but not whether it was shut again.
She must have left the building at some point – did someone leave a door to a restricted area open? My money is on the goods delivery entrance.
Eloise says…Judi, my fear is the good old boy network preventing thorough investigation into the security angle. I hope someone has the gonads beside Blink.
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Yeah, I know, I hear ya
Apparently, a number of male lacrosse players from Duke are involved in some sort of sex crime, this time as victims. A female student recorded sexual encounters, compiled a powerpoint presentation using this material and passed it on to her friends. How many players does a lacrosse team have? There seem to be thirteen of them involved.
I honestly don’t understand what is going on with these people.
I hope this is a hoax.
16.Eloise says:
October 8, 2010 at 1:17 am
My recollection of that story was Sarah or one in that group, telephoned Dee after the concert to discuss afterparty plans. The response from Morgan’s camp was, well we have someone missing. I do remember this, b/c I thought, how odd that these two groups would end up so intertwined. So, then I guess the concensus was for all to go home and sleep? That remains the big WTF>.
I am with you, there, so another big this doesnt make sense!!?? agreed??
assumptions:
So Morgan’s disappearance caused enough concern to cancel afterparty plans yet it did not cause enough concern to cause alarm and about going home and sleep after aconcert?
-why did Dee not comment that she wasnt tired but in fact had to cancel afterparty because of a missing mutual friend?
-Did her friends in fact ask security guards, emt, manager if a young woman wandering of in a ‘party outfit’ that was unfit for near artic temperatures caused any concern
in short: party without Morgan is a problem, but driving back in her car to college without alarming police no problem
http://local.yahoo.com/info-24490716-greyhound-fairfax-fairfax;_ylt=Ajr1pUXU6NzpyZ3PE6C7L2mKNcIF;_ylv=3?viewtype=map
This map shows a former Greyhound Bus location in Fairfax at 4103 Rust Road, and it is about 1000 feet from the intersection of Jermantown Rd, and Fairfax Boulevard, the Giand Food from which the 2005 victim was walking when she was attacked. There is no longer a Greyhound location at this address, and the Greyhound person at Corporate cannot tell me how long it has been gone, but it is still on the internet.
The thread I was reading this am, the one mentioned above which contains the info on the school principal sitting behind Morgan, also has a comment later in the thread, about Morgan;s scent being picked up behind Buffalo Wild Wings, and the poster notes this is close to the Greyhound location in Charlottesville which had a 10pm bus to Roanoke, arriving at 12:55 am.
I am wondering that since Sketch;s outfit has been said to resemble a bus driver outfit, if he could have been a Greyhound driver?
anotherB
I think the story is legit. The author is saying she intended only a couple of her close friends to see it.
I skimmed (link below)it and found it disturbing. There are several articles on the culture of women on the campus of UNC Chapel Hill which are even more disturbing to me because it indicates this type behavior is more than isolated to a few women. Some attribute the behavior of the women at UNC to the lack of men relative to women making for desperate, man hungry, women. The UNC article has sparked a lot of discussion.
http://jezebel.com/5652114/college-girls-power-point-fuck-list-goes-viral-gallery
It isn’t a sex crime IMO. She was a Duke student who had sex with several Duke athletes — one at a time over 4 years. She thought it would be funny to rate them in a “doctoral” like presentation. She foolishly emailed it to 3 friends and then it was everywhere. She didn’t videotape the encounters to my knowledge with or without their knowledge. It certainly was silly of her to let it go public, but it isn’t a crime and I am not sure the fact that she had sex with several athletes over her time there should even be disturbing. It seems sexist to me to condemn her — why shouldn’t a single woman hook up with guys she found attractive. She was single, wasn’t assaulting anyone, wasn’t having sex with a minor, wasn’t committing adultery etc. Yes — it was obnoxious to “rate” them and idiotic to trust your friends to keep it secret. Is 13 too many? Does that make any woman with that many hookups in college desperate and man hungry? Did none of us have more than a handful hook ups in college — does that mean we are disgusting also? I imagine many of the guys involved, being college athletes, had many more hook ups over the 4-5 years. Are they desperate and woman hungry (and is there anything wrong with a college male being woman hungry)?
Blink, At one point you had posted a link to a 4×4 ATV…do you still consider that as the transportation method of Morgan to her final resting spot. And are you aware of any methods used to eliminate HH securities staff from being POI(s). Thanks!!
I do not. I think they drove right up and then he carried her past the tree line..
B
@ redly October 8, 2010 at 1:16 pm
No idea about the legal aspect – is it legal to send data on somebody’s penis length to a third party, along with a detailed description of sexual encounters, and with transcripts of text messages?
It was not the fact that it was a woman that I find disturbing. I would have reacted the same had it been a man. I am female by the way.
Just have a look at the document. Evidently, various other people did find it disturbing, as this made the international news in no time, and prompted to make the dean of students to get in touch with her.
I thought this was a bit amusing. My daughter is home for fall break. I was telling her about the UVA stuff, etc. She mentioned that VSP advised her University’s police and their local PD to cool it on the DIP arrests of the students, that they are so good at and concentrate on the gang violence that is occurring. LOL.
One thing that I’ve always wondered about is why Dee would be dressed SO similarly to the way Morgan was dressed, particularly since there was a “caravan” of concertgoers coming from JMU/ Harrisonburg. It’s probably just an instance of there being a narrow spectrum of concert attire versus what one could conceivably where for any other occasion or just daily life. Although, I know when I was growing up, if there were a group of us (males) that were heading out together with matching attire, even something as innocuous as a matching black T-shirt/ jean combo, we would get the “you guys must have read the memo” sarcastic comment from someone else in our group.
Is that not a big deal for young women or could that be a source of contention between two or more of them enough to set the tone for the rest of the evening? Perhaps a trivial variable in the grand scheme of things, but if that were the case, it could certainly create a scenario where a mutual friend would be forced to pick sides, thus alienating one of the parties involved.
I did not realiuze that SG could arrest people and give people tickets- as for the Background checks Blink has proven that there are loopholes.. Thanks for all of this info guys.
I think it is appalling what that woman did to those men- is there no privacy anymore? What happened to not kissing and telling?
Judi thanks for posting that video- to go back and watch it now , a year later- knowing everything we know now, knowing what The Harrignton’s have faced, what Morgan endured… and still no arrests.
Is the investigation moving forward? Is it at a stand still?
Are we at a stand still? Where do we go from here?
Thanks to everyone that is still here and still trying – thank you for your research for your posts- for your thoughts – you to Blink&company
You all continue to show me that people care.
My prayers to The Harrington’s
susan says:
October 8, 2010 at 11:54 am
http://local.yahoo.com/info-24490716-greyhound-fairfax-fairfax;_ylt=Ajr1pUXU6NzpyZ3PE6C7L2mKNcIF;_ylv=3?viewtype=map
This map shows a former Greyhound Bus location in Fairfax at 4103 Rust Road, and it is about 1000 feet from the intersection of Jermantown Rd, and Fairfax Boulevard, the Giand Food from which the 2005 victim was walking when she was attacked. There is no longer a Greyhound location at this address, and the Greyhound person at Corporate cannot tell me how long it has been gone, but it is still on the internet.
The thread I was reading this am, the one mentioned above which contains the info on the school principal sitting behind Morgan, also has a comment later in the thread, about Morgan;s scent being picked up behind Buffalo Wild Wings, and the poster notes this is close to the Greyhound location in Charlottesville which had a 10pm bus to Roanoke, arriving at 12:55 am.
I am wondering that since Sketch;s outfit has been said to resemble a bus driver outfit, if he could have been a Greyhound driver?
_________________________ _____________________________ __________________________
There is a bus service that used to originate in Lynchburg at its former depot that provides charter service to NYC. The origin destination was founded in Charlottesville and that is still the main hub evidently. Where does it pick up/ drop off in C’ville? Answer: The Amtrak Station where Morgan’s scent is rumored to have been picked up (wings restaurant located at the train/bus depot)- the reason that I say rumored is b/c I believe Blink contested whether or not that had been confirmed. I don’t recall the result of that query, but there is at least the perception that her scent was picked up there.
Here is their website:
susan says:
October 8, 2010 at 11:54 am
http://local.yahoo.com/info-24490716-greyhound-fairfax-fairfax;_ylt=Ajr1pUXU6NzpyZ3PE6C7L2mKNcIF;_ylv=3?viewtype=map
This map shows a former Greyhound Bus location in Fairfax at 4103 Rust Road, and it is about 1000 feet from the intersection of Jermantown Rd, and Fairfax Boulevard, the Giand Food from which the 2005 victim was walking when she was attacked. There is no longer a Greyhound location at this address, and the Greyhound person at Corporate cannot tell me how long it has been gone, but it is still on the internet.
The thread I was reading this am, the one mentioned above which contains the info on the school principal sitting behind Morgan, also has a comment later in the thread, about Morgan;s scent being picked up behind Buffalo Wild Wings, and the poster notes this is close to the Greyhound location in Charlottesville which had a 10pm bus to Roanoke, arriving at 12:55 am.
I am wondering that since Sketch;s outfit has been said to resemble a bus driver outfit, if he could have been a Greyhound driver?
https://www.nycshuttle.com/ticketing/Default.asp
I’m not sure what time there would have been a departure the following morning, 10/18 or if there was not another departure until the evening. Either way, if someone involved in Morgan’s murder was in that area, that could be their getaway point- or Amtrak as well as Greyhound as that is the second stop in C’ville after departing from the main bus station a few blocks down Main St.
As of 10/2010, Greyhound has Northbound departures at 08:55 AM and Westbound (towards Roanoke) at 07:55 AM. Could have been possible for Morgan, with her knowledge of C’ville, to consider taking a bus back to Roanoke or even crashing NYC to see Alex, given the stated that she was in, both from a toxic and emotional standpoint?
Anyway, I would like to see Starlight Express’ passenger manifest before and after 10/17/2009 as well as Amtrak and Greyhound if there was indeed a scent in that area.
There is a stop on Starlight Express in West Falls Church, VA (I’m not sure if it stops there after originating in C’ville or not- maybe that’s immaterial). This is a Washington Metro Stop in Fairfax County which is about 10 miles or twenty minutes from the site of the 2005 assault on Jermantown Road, Vienna, VA.
Just for kicks, the former (I say former b/c it’s no longer listed as a pick-up point on the website) origin point for Starlight Express in Lynchburg is merely blocks away from the Park Avenue/ Kemper Street corridor where Ms. Cassandra Morton was last seen. There is also a Greyhound Station at the exact intersection of Park and Kemper.
Judi, I don’t mean to insult you, but I think that you and I think alike, or we are at least on the same page.
My apologies to Susan (I pulled your comments) and Judi for the above. Time to go to sleep.
Funny how my response (written Oct 6, 2010) to your query about why I didn’t respond stays “awaiting moderation” for about 24 hours, then vanishes completely. I’m not going to repost, I am sure you have it cached somewhere. Don’t bother with the “I never censor or edit rhetoric”.
47.ross says:
October 4, 2010 at 8:51 pm
How does one have web access in a tent? Food for thought.
Sigh.
B
Per the linked article: “Investigators believe Cook picked this spot because it’s close to at least three fast food restaurants that offer free wireless internet.”
Thanks Ross, was wondering why you did not respond to the comment disagreeing with your “remote” assessment that C-ville was not “center of it”?
B
Lol, that’s because it was posted and responded to by myself and a few others.
Here’s a moist towlette for the egg.
*Oh Snap*
B
Sorry, I have just caught completely up on all your posts.
Amazing brain power in Morgan’s Think Tank.
Really and truly. You are some of the most loving and brightest people I know. Errr, kinda know.
Oh, did I say dedicated too?!!
TexasG, so do you believe those cameras were up and running or no? Remember so long ago hairdressers at the mall said they were not!
Take it for what it’s worth.
Blink:
“It was Morgan with the BIB in Lanigan, as per the female witness, and the fact that Dee was inside the arena by then. B”
Didn’t you say some time ago that LE knew who they were?
Are they the same guys that were lost and asking for directions from
Boyd’s Tavern???
This has me confused. The same or NOT???
Eloise:
“I hope someone has the gonads beside Blink.:”
Well…just sayin’ I’ve got more than I really should have.
&&&
Judi says:
October 7, 2010 at 10:54 pm
“I tried seeing if I could look up people who have security guard licenses – no dice. Any ideas?”
Judi:
I could be WAY WRONG but I really believe family members of one just happens to live in North Garden.
I’m confused on who’s uncle is who & for what this is worth…
I’m pissed off to my core also!!!
Eloise says:
October 8, 2010 at 7:31 pm
“I thought this was a bit amusing. My daughter is home for fall break. I was telling her about the UVA stuff, etc. She mentioned that VSP advised her University’s police and their local PD to cool it on the DIP arrests of the students, that they are so good at and concentrate on the gang violence that is occurring. LOL.”
E:
We have had more than our fair share of assaults, burglaries.
Go look on Spotcrime for the weekend of Oct 1,2,3.
I have also seen local LE stepping up to keep us all safe from harm.
A good deal of these incidents are on and off campus, btw.
Eloise, I have seen co-eds still walking alone at night, down dark roads texting or on the phone paying no attention around them. No, not dozens but a few and that, in my book, is a few too many!
And, so my daughter sits staring out the car window, in silence wearing Morgan’s purple rubber bracelet.
Somehow, someone has got to be doing something. Right?
O/T but note-worthy.
Why, you ask?
Because I have a daughter that needs to be empowered by strong women role models.
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/104599899.html
Blink, need to ask a question, may I?
anytime.
B
Ok, here one of them…
When TexasG was educating me on Slope Ratios and my hubby and I arguing over them while on our back hill, which by the way, is steep but we both did it. In my SUV and his car. Yes, I made it up one more embankment but he was able to drive up…
Then, HE pulled past green barn and to back fence line?
HE had to have other stuff drop out.
So LE has confidential, private, whatever you LE guys call it…that would link him to one of the crime scenes?
p.s. that was two. sorry
May I continue?
Nice try, but my response is not posted.
Lol, that’s because it was posted and responded to by myself and a few others.
Here’s a moist towlette for the egg.
*Oh Snap*
B
As one who has lived and worked in the Charlottesville area, and while currently in Florida still have a house there, I agree 100% with MsL. Blink, you say it all in this quote: “but I understand it is different when one lives in the center of it.” Charlottesville IS NOT the center of “it”; it is however the center of where many are focusing their attention.
As MsL posted – “Comment away if you want about UVA, about Charlottesville and the surrounding area, but while doing so, please put just as much effort into looking closer at your own hometown, at your own state, at your own colleges and universities.”
I am afraid I don’t understand that Cville is not in the center of it comment
B
Ross, see above. This is not your personal thread. If you have something to contribute that can progress dialogue, please post.
Otherwise having to stop our sprint to wipe the dog do off a shoe every time your in a mood is tiresome.
B
“Lol, that’s because it was posted and responded to by myself and a few others.
Here’s a moist towlette for the egg.
*Oh Snap*
B”
Really! Are you hanging out with my kid??? lol
Sorry, the “moist towelette” got me.
Here’s another question…
I have been reading about that “Occam’s razor” thing and although I may not “get it” all the time, I know that we here, in your home have just about exhausted all senarios.
***Have we complicated this way more than it should be???
I guess that is why there is competent LE, as in Lt. Rader and team and not the likes of “emotional me!”
Thanks. That’s it the questions (for now!)
I don’t think so Fish, I think this case is so convoluted you could not help it.
At the end, I do think when there is an arrest, it will go back directly to the first witness accounts in this case.
B
OK, almost done. But everyone please read!
susan says:
October 7, 2010 at 10:46 pm
“If Event Manager wants to blame JPJA, and UVA for policies, then let the chips fall where they may. But this hideous case of depraved indifference to the safety of a young woman must be put in the spotlight, so it will never happen again,=== that concert managers and ticket takers and supposed policy makers are so cavalier and disregarding of human safety that they would create the setting for this disaster, and then have the audacity to refuse to comment on the situation. Deplorable.”
susan, deplorable yes but they are always held accountable.
Please take my word on that. JPJA is not infailable nor is the money that drives it. Money makes mistakes and lives are lost.
If something was not done properly and human safety was thrown into the river, LE and the justice system will figure it out.
It may take time but they always figure it out.
Doesn’t bring them back but helps to prevent the next catastrophy.
Once again…Pay it forward or in my case, paying it back.
Justice for that sweet & gifted girl.
Just as in my sister and bestfriend; sweet and gifted.
Faults? You ask? YES!
You have no idea. But justice was gleened in both cases.
One just more than the other.
Which brings me to this.
In Memory of Gini says:
October 7, 2010 at 8:32 pm
“UVa Announces Plans for Morgan Harrington Anniversary Event
A dedication ceremony for a plaque and a film honoring Morgan Dana Harrington will take place on Oct. 17, the one-year anniversary of her disappearance.”
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/UVa_Announces_Plans_for_Morgan_Harrington_Anniversary_Event
OK, now here it is!!
I sure hope that if you can make it to that bridge that you all show up!
Standing there wanting to disappear from even the few that showed up for Monica Caison, even I’ll be there again. Sometimes, I think I’m even a nag to all here but that girl matters and we all should care.
Maybe there will come a day that we will all just go away but until her parents stop than neither will I.
Please! An hour out of your day, to set an example, to pay it forward, to support a family, to help a community, to even aid that school.
Young women, need you to be there!
I carpooled a couple of girls at that search.
One, Metallica uber-fan; carpool! The search is not over.
I want to support UVa and the Harrington Family.
I really do.
There were so few standing on that bridge that day.
It brought tears to my eyes.
Please show up. I will. I promise.
On October 4, 2010 at 8:51 pm I posted “Per the linked article: “Investigators believe Cook picked this spot because it’s close to at least three fast food restaurants that offer free wireless internet.”
You responded: “Thanks Ross, was wondering why you did not respond to the comment disagreeing with your “remote” assessment that C-ville was not “center of it” B”
I then posted a response to your query on Oct 6, 2010, that showed “awaiting moderation” then vanished. You say it’s posted – please show me where any posts I made between Oct 4, 2010, and Oct 9, 2010 are. There are none. Period. You censored, or deleted my post.
I just responded, and we are done here.
This is my house, it gives me the right and responsibility to publish accordingly.
I suggest you create your own platform to find people to argue with as a form of entertainment as this seems to be your mission wherever you go. Kinda busy here. Sorry.
B
Hi guys, havent posted here for a while, but still read every day.
Just wanted to say that last week I thought of you all because I had to go to a class and there was no parking in the lot, so I had to park way back near the woods. Even though it was light out, I knew it would get dark while I was in class, so I parked DIRECTLY UNDER a streetlamp in the lot. Def would not have done that before.
I also phone my bpyfriend from inside the building and talked to him as I left class that night so he would be on the phone with me while I crossed the lot to my car, until I was buckled up and had driven away.
I never would have done any of those things if it wasnt for this blog and Morgan Harrington.
xoxo
My dear, aptly named Lovely-
You made my year. Please tell the young lady you spot parked inappropriately for her safety Morgan’s story, and so on.
xoxo
B
FISH: I can’t open the newsplex link. Do you know what time the plaque will be dedicated and where/when film shown? I plan to attend and I will seek you out. I will wear a name tag “messimamm” so you can identify me. Can’t believe we are seeing a YEAR anniversary. Just can’t fathom why it has taken this long.
Fish
I don’t know if they were up and running or not. If I could go to JPJA and look over their camera and security system, then I could determine if it is really state of the art. I have my suspicions.
You can have the finest equipment in the world, but if it is not operational it cannot help. You and others would be very suprised at just how many cameras are placed for show to scare people into behaving. For instance, most bank ATM cameras are of the very lowest quality with very grainy video.