BlinkOnCrime.com Editorial: UVA Violated The Jeanne Clery Act AND Failed To Report Another Sex Crime
Charlottesville, VA– Late Tuesday evening, prompted by questions by the Editor In Chief of blinkoncrime.com about a recent rape which occurred at the DZ sorority on Chancellor Street, The University of Virginia sent out an alert to students.
However, as required of UVA by the Clery Act, the alert was 10 days late. Charlottesville Police recorded a police report of a forcible rape on September 17, 2010.
The Jeanne Clery Act, founded by her parents, Howard and Connie Clery, is a Federal Law applicable to all Higher Learning Institutions that participate in Federal funding assistance which requires mandatory reporting for specified crimes.
Constance and Howard Clery founders of Security ON Campus, Inc. after their 19 year old daughter Jeanne was brutally raped, tortured and murdered while sleeping in her dorm on April 5, 1986.
Fellow Lehigh University co-eds propped 3 different doors open, in violation of security rules, unknowingly allowing her killer access.
The bill which became a Federal law, was based on the fact that 38 different violent offenses occurred at Lehigh U that the student body was never made aware of prior to Clery’s murder. Had they been, it is almost certain not only would the automatic locking doors have been inaccessible, but parents and students combined would have demanded security upgrades to prevent such a heinous event.
Following the email that went to 23,000 students at 11:01 PM September 28, Allen Groves, Dean of Students, and Lt. Melissa Fielding of the University Police Department, held an impromptu press conference Wednesday, as a follow up to the email alert with some additional background information.
PART 2
Time line Breakdown
9–17 1:15am UVA student attacked from behind, raped and beaten on Delta Zeta House, Chancellor Street.
9-17 Noon- Email Equivalent to “Whisper Down the Rotunda” Begins:
Received a third party email, NOT from the victim, indicating a stranger attack had occurred to a sister, as previously reported at blinkoncrime.com, at DZ House on Chancellor St. We forwarded that on to our endless list of associate deans. They called the Sorority president for more information so that we might begin “acting upon it”.
9–18 Additional Sexual Assault Occurs At Fraternity on Madison Lane 3AM
*Unreported To Students To Date*
9–18 A Robbery Occurs During the Course of Above, Same Frat 3AM
*Unreported To Students To Date*
9–19 A Breaking And Entering Occurs, Undisclosed Sorority House, Chancellor St
*Unreported To Students To Date*
9-20 Associate Dean reaches out directly to the victim to ..”get the details of the attack and also to assist the student. No contact made with victim.
9–20 Associate Deans Office receives call from a female student’s Mother that her daughter was nearly sexually assaulted in a pantry at a Fraternity party at approximately midnight, September 18. Add additionally, Groves speaks to a man claiming to be assaulted due to his sexual preference, which would be considered a hate crime, also reportable under the Clery Act. According to Groves and Fielding no police report has been filed. (Editors Note: If this took place at the same “undisclosed frat” as the 3am forcible fondling and robbery incidents– Is this the same perp? So he never fled the scene? So, we have 2 incidents that have Charlottesville PD police reports, one of a sex crime in nature, and an additional attempted sex crime reported directly to administration on 9/20 within a three hour span, at either the same fraternity, or a neighboring one, and it takes 8 days to notify anyone, and they still have not interviewed anyone at the “undisclosed” frat regarding the incidents?
9-21 Internal Meeting about the 9/17 forcible rape but to UVA, they are “unclear” sex assault occurs, still no contact with, or direct information with the victim. ( Editors Note: Groves says Charlottesville PD has still not classified the incident as a sex assault. (Editors Note: This is ludicrous and utter bs. The report specifically states “forcible rape”. I can tell you as an absolute fact, that members of the sorority AS WELL AS the other sororities on Chancellor sent emails back and forth to alert each other which specifically included details of the assault).
9-21 Associate Dean contacts Cville PD. Was told .. Yes, investigating the incident, but would not be in a position to disclose whether there had been an assault or sexual assault also, at that point. We then conferred with the university police to see if there was anything they could tell us so that we could determine whether or not a sex assault occurred in that setting.
9-23 Sorority Meeting held, without the victim, to discuss outreach opportunities.
9-27 First time Associate dean heard directly from the victim in response to the outreach efforts, first time she was in a position to come forward (out of hospital). Victim had to cancel and has rescheduled.
9-28 “.. Certainly by last evening… after conferring with Lt. Fielding and others I felt we had enough information.. Even though to my knowledge Charlottesville Police have not classified this as a sexual assault..” but we believe we had enough, even though it was not our investigation, it was Charlottesville Police responsibility to alert..” (Editors Note: Not a syllable about the email I sent to Ms. Wood, who was unaware of the incident, and very responsive to me. The alert went out at 11:01 PM, 45 minutes after our article regarding same, was published. In this editors opinion, there were no plans whatsoever to alert students until I requested a comment, specifying it was to be included in the piece we were finishing regarding the fact that the rape had not yet been disclosed as an alert, as required by the Clery Act. This was done to balance what was certain to be seen as a scandalous announcement in the wake of Morgan Harrington and Yeardley Love murders, and days after the University’s “Day of Dialogue.” I felt they should certainly be offered an opportunity to address the issue from their perspective, the email was their response to that invitation).
Clearly A Clery Violation… Again
The Articles for reporting within the Clery Act are unambiguous. While I understand the need to alert students and parents with credible and useful information, this is not for UVA officials to decide unilaterally. In fact, it is not for them to ever need to “corroborate” or interview a victim regarding the details of any crime committed against them as identified in the Clery Act for UVA to observe the requirements of them under the Federal law.
In short, they have their own police. They have their “online form”. They have Charlottesville PD police report direct feed.
In 2004, The Board of Education found that UVA violated the Clery Act by requiring a rape victim to sign a confidentiality agreement, but gave them a pass by not imposing sanctions because there was some confusion as to the reporting rules and protocol. UVA was informed they will be assessed a $27,500 sanction fee for any future violations.
As I am certain many of you are over my bloviations about the subject, and in the interest of disclosure, I have personal ties to Lehigh University.
Also in the interest of disclosure, I am embarrassed to say that I was not aware that Ms. Clery’s murder occurred there until researching the Clery Act.
Some Posts from members of your local community for consumption, I will be updating poignant comments.
Blinkoncrime.com Poster Starbucks:
Regarding the “off grounds” issue, I’m sorry but I find University’s excuses in this area ludicrous and totally disingenuous.
The Clery Act, passed in 1990, unambiguously provides that its reporting requirements are not limited to crimes occurring on campus/”Grounds.” The University has had twenty years to figure out how to comply with this law, and yet its officials act as dumbfounded as ever. One would think that UVA is the only school in the nation with a significant portion of its student body living off campus/Grounds, but in close proximity to the University. Of course, this situation is commonplace.
If UVA is having such a difficult time dealing with the “off grounds” issue, I suggest that President Sullivan get in contact with the appropriate officials at her previous institutions. Sullivan spent most of her career at the University of Texas where 80% of its undergraduate student body lives off campus, as opposed to 57% at UVA. She then spent about four years at the University of Michigan where 37% of its undergraduates live off campus. There is no need to reinvent the wheel here; if UVA officials can’t figure out how to report crimes occurring near its campus, they should go study how other universities are dealing with this perplexing problem.
The implication that there is no communication between the Charlottesville Police and the UVA police/campus officials simply stretches the bounds of credulity.
UVA is required by the Clery Act to provide:
(C) A statement of current policies concerning campus law enforcement, including—
(ii) the working relationship of campus security personnel with State and local law enforcement agencies, including whether the institution has agreements with such agencies, such as written memoranda of understanding, for the investigation of alleged criminal offenses; and
(iii) policies which encourage accurate and prompt reporting of all crimes to the campus police and the appropriate law enforcement agencies.
I can’t seem to find UVA’s policies in this area. I challenge the University to prominently publish all of the required Clery Act policy statements on its website.
UVA is on notice:
“This determination finds that the University violated the Clery Act. However, as was noted in our July 2004 Final Determination in another case, there was apparent confusion in the higher education community regarding the intersection of the disclosure requirement under the Clery Act and the strictures of FERPA. For this reason, the Department will not impose any fines or other sanctions at this time. However, UVA is advised that any subsequent violations of the Clery Act will result in a referral for the imposition of a civil penalty up to $27,500 per infraction.”
http://federalstudentaid.ed.gov/datacenter/cleryact/uva/UVAProgramReviewReport11032008.pdf
So please UVA, stop the excuses and clean up your act now.
Madeline Tanner, Elizabeth Morton, contributing editors
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Police: Women targeted in party overdoses….
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None of the underage people who overdosed meant to get high or unconscious, said Ferguson, and none had more than one or two drinks, KOMO reported. Rather, he said, they appear to be victims of a scheme to render them unconscious and unable to resist or defend themselves.
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/09/washington.students.overdose/index.html?hpt=Sbin
Lovely
I am so glad that because of what we concerned citizens post here, you took some proactive steps to protect yourself. There is one more thing that you can train yourself to do. Always scan the whole area ahead of you as you walk or drive. Pay particular attention to anyone that appears to be just standing around or really doesn’t fit into the area. Talking on the phone to someone is great, but don’t let that take your attention away from the task of being totally aware.
Share your experience with your friends so they too may make themselves safer as they go about their daily lives.
Dr. Pepper
Thanks for the link concerning the security blueprint. They even had the blue cover that matches a blueprint made by an ozlid machine.
I downloaded the PDf file for a real close study. However, after a quick run through, I am not very impressed with this work.
I am sure this will never make it to posting – I guess you just can’t admit I responded AFTER you challenged the fact I hadn’t responded. I answered YOUR DIRECT query wondering why I hadn’t responded. When you posted that, I responded. I wrote a post in response to your asking why I hadn’t responded to the comment disagreeing with your “remote” assessment that C-ville was not “center of it”. It is that post that awaited moderation, then vanished.
And you say you don’t edit or censor. About as believable as you believe Tiffany Young-Hartley is.
Ross-
Here’s your broom, what’s your hurry?
Glad to see your following my work, and your wrong. I am posting this..
I think folks should see how you waste people’s time and energy over nonsense that has nothing to do with Morgan Harrington, or any other cause not about you looking to troll for whatever is apparently lacking in your world.
Food for thought: Go do something productive. Nobody cares about your gripe dujour. Go post about the evil blink and ring all your minions or haunt other people’s houses instead- It is Halloween Season ya know…
Lastly, I have never said I don’t edit or censor, if you review comments, I freely tell people when I do that, and will absolutely elect to delete a post intended to offend anyone. If you would like to have a blog, where you can spew your goodliness to all, feel free. Until then, I am rescinding my invitation to let you in mine, so you can just stay on the porch and look in the window or find things to dump in your cauldron for one.
Now, if you will excuse me, I am enjoying the evening with my family.
B
Fish, I hope there will be a million people on that bridge- mothers and daughters -mother and sons -sisters and brothers
It would be wonderful if the bridge was overflowing with Fathers and daughters and sons- uncles nieces and nephews -friends who vow never to let a small argument get in the way of better judgment.
It breaks my heart to think there were so few people there that day to meet you,Fish.. so few to offer support to the Harrington’s, so few to stand with Morgan-
I hope that every local person that has ever posted here, will be there to stand with you.
Please know many of us can not be there, please know that no matter how far away we are, we will be there with you in spirit- please know that we all stand with you and with The Harrington’s and with Morgan.
Peace Fish
Thanks Lovely- I very glad that you are AWARE
BTW Fish- you know, I think that every person that has ever complained about the tribute on the bridge, should be there to show support for the new memorial.
I think every local who complained should take it upon themselves to show that they weren’t against, The Harrington’s or against, a tribute, or against finding justice for Morgan-
I think it would be a wonderful way for them all to show the Harrington’s that everyone only wants what is best for the campus and for the students and for Charlottsville- I think it would be wonderful if they would all show up to say in one great voice-
We honor your daughter’s life- we will not tolerate what happened to her -happening to anyone else.
The bridge would surely be full then… Perhaps they will be there. We can hope.
Cent. VA Native away
I know what you mean by having the young all dress mostly alike when going to an event. This reminded me of a time when I took my oldest daughter and five of her friends to a downtown movie when they were about fifteen. We parked about six blocks from the theatre and they walked ahead of me as I always made them. All six had shoes, jeans, shirts and hairstyle exactly alike. When I got them back home I said something about their mode of dress. Oh no, they were all individuals. Of course they were, but if I didn’t know them by the hair color and height, it would be difficult to identify them.
@ Eloise, Fish, Blink, Texas Grand, Cville Native Away: Yes, I agree.
@ Eloise, I believe you made a point about subterfuge, disinformation, in other words money and power.
I recall an article written by Waldo Jaquith, the person from the VQR magazine which was the “pet project” of former UVA president Casteen, where he tries to make the point in a blog or article of some sort, (FEB’09) that Morgan;s death was an “accident”, and so forth. I am not linking that here because his article was insulting and derogatory, and frankly his tone disgusted me, but I am seeing further evidence that the former UVA administration tried hard to spin the facts of this case.
We all know what happened with VQR in the summer, the suicide, and the huge workplace bullying charges, which have not come to a head. The fact that Waldo Jaquith, for whatever reason (??) decides to come out with a blog/article that Morgan;s death was an “accident”, before the VSP ruled homicide and murder, is very concerning to me, and points me in the direction of Casteen spinning this tragedy for his own reasons: his last brilliant year at the helm. as he evidently saw things.
Jaquith shut down comments to his article just as newsplex reported that Morgan;s death was NOT an accident.
Too bad, he deserved a rebuttal.
Judi
This druged drink event in your link could have been much worse. At least the police responded quickly and made certain that all of the women were checked at a hospital. If the university responds as reported about mandated classes, they are to be commended.
Lovely, I am assuming that you go to UVA, but whether you do or not, being aware of where you have to walk back to when class is over, was insightful. UVA (and Charlottesville for that matter) are known for lack of parking spaces and many times when I have gone downtown, or the corner, or even Barracks Road shopping center, I have had to park a good distance from my destination.
I have 2 comments. First, always trust your insticts. If you feel that parking in a certain location will make you uneasy on the return walk, trust your insticts and take the time to look for an alternative.
Second…the alternative suggestion….at Va Tech, one of my friends was always late for class and knew that if she parked in the designated parking places, she would not only be later, but might as well go home because by the time she found a parking spot and got to class, the class would almost be over. So she would park in “non parking” areas close to the builing she needed to be in, and turn her flashers on, lock the car and go to class. Do you know, not once did her car get towed! Just a suggestion.
I’m a little confused, maybe someone can help me…
Blink dedicates herself, her time, and this site to finding justice for victims and their families and getting bad guys (and/or gals) off the streets.
A good deed, good cause by someone with a good heart and good intentions.
A site that many of us are appreciative of. I don’t know about you all, but this site helps me feel like I am doing something, no matter how small a part it is, for a cause I feel very strongly about – justice.
I guess I don’t understand the reason or need to blast someone as good a person as Blink or a site which brings together good souls with good hearts and a shared good common cause.
Blink is all about HEART!!
Good souls, good hearts are exactly the antitode for the evil that runs rapid in our communities every where. Evil doesn’t hesitate to do it’s thing. Well, neither should the good.
Maybe I answered my own question. I guess someone who doesn’t share the same cause, who doesn’t share the same heart, might have a problem with what Blink and this site represent. Then, this site wouldn’t be for them and they should find one more in line with their goals and opinions. Or maybe, they are so lacking in their own life, that they need to stir the pot, be the center of attention, to fill some kind of hole they have in their own being, like the person who is not happy unless they are causing some kind of drama.
But, alas, we have more important things to do here. Carrying on…
Thanks J, but I stopped trying to figure out the haters long ago.
I think I have posted the quote from Dark Knight before.. Sometimes people just want to watch the world burn.
This is the mindset of people that seek only to spawn hate, in any forum possible. I could never imagine seeing gratification from causing pain to another, I would think that quite toxic.
B
A Texas Grandfather says:
October 9, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Judi
This druged drink event in your link could have been much worse. At least the police responded quickly and made certain that all of the women were checked at a hospital. If the university responds as reported about mandated classes, they are to be commended.
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Agreed. Two comments (one not directly related to Morgan and one directly related to Morgan)…
1) There needs to be something done to bring attention and awareness to women today. This is becoming increasingly more common and women have to be educated on how not to let it happen to them (never leave your drink unattended, don’t let someone get a drink for you, etc). My son’s ex-girlfriend’s mother was slipped what she believes to be a date rape drug in her drink at a bar. She remembers nothing from that night. Thankfully, she had a good, trustworthy friend with her who protected her safety. She no longer drinks in bars.
2) I believe that the guy who parked next to Morgan and crew before the concert didn’t say anything about her seeming to be impaired, stated they went right into the concert (no partying in the parking lot). IF she was not impaired in the least at the start of the concert, I don’t see how she could have gotten that impaired in that short of a time without, shall we say, some assistance, especially being under 21. I am not saying that she didn’t have a couple of beers, LE says she was drinking but stopped short of saying she was drunk. But, LE also says she was not acting herself. ** This could have been as easy as when she fell, a security guard or something of the sort offering her a glass of water before escorting her out **
When I come back and read here, I often think back through what has been said and questions that have been raised. Do we know for sure that Morgan’s ticket was not with her? If so, why would someone else have held her ticket? She had her own purse and the description doesn’t sound like a very small purse, too small to keep her own her ticket. Often, the question has been raised, why wouldn’t a reasonable door attendant let a possibly inebriated or injured woman back in when there were reports that others had been allowed to re-enter either that night or in the past? There are several entrances other than the main entrance. One faces directly onto Massie Road. One is just off to the side of the Massie Road entrance, and during UVA sporting events, designated as the student entrance. I don’t know exactly where it’s located, but there is also an entrance leading from the parking garage. The front of the arena has multiple entrance doors. I have never observed unattended entrances at any arena event during shows or sporting events. I do not know why the night of the Metallica concert would have been different. If Morgan left through one of these entrances and was warned that she would not be allowed to re-enter, it’s very possible she tried her re-entrance through a different door, not wanting to face the same attendant who had given her warning. If she did try to re-enter, but not the door where she exited, the attendants would have had no proof without her ticket, that she had ever been inside, regardless of the reason she gave for being in the parking lot. Again, if true, why did she not hold her own ticket? Without a ticket IMO, it’s likely she would have been directed to the ticket window to purchase another ticket. I don’t remember whether it was kickee or another supposed witness, but someone did report hearing a disturbance from near the ticket window. Maybe it was Morgan, either being told for a final time she couldn’t re-enter, or finding that the window had just closed. Someone also wrote that they thought the ticket window usually closes before the end of concerts.
I don’t know that we will ever know, until there is an arrest and the case goes to trial, whether or not LE has identified the men in black (aka BIB or MIB.) I know this has been said multiple times and is nothing new, but if the young woman seen crossing the street with them was indeed Morgan, I would think they could or have provided information to LE as to how she got outside, what transpired when she tried to re-enter, and what if any plans she had. Same with the basketball players. Now what I am about to say is very obvious, and provides no insight to what happened. I think there are 2 possibilities.
(1)She had prior plans to meet up someone at the concert: (a)the young man(my thought has always been that he was quite a bit younger than kickee) seen by Granny in a confrontation with the young woman in the parking lot. (b)someone she knew who picked her up on the bridge or in the RV lot and either later intentionally or accidentally caused her death or knows who is responsible. (c)someone was suppose to meet her but did not show. She was then not allowed to re-enter the arena, and fell into the hands of a predator who either stalked her through the parking lot or saw her for the first time on the bridge or in the RV parking lot and took advantage of the situation. (d)someone she met inside the arena and made on the spot plans to meet him/them or even her outside. Something went horribly wrong, no matter a, b, c or d.
(2)She had no prior plans to meet someone and left the arena for her own personal reasons. She was either stalked across the parking lots to the bridge or parking lot, or was seen for the first time on the bridge or in the parking lot by the predator. She was either forced by intimidation, dragged into, or got into a vehicle voluntarily. I don’t really care whether or not this was a spur of the moment grab by someone who had never done anything like this before, or was the act of a repeat offender, by taking the life of an innocent young woman, he or they became predators that night.
This weekend I was reading a mystery involving stalking of an entertainer. This was one of those mysteries where the stalker’s plan, while devious, unraveled and LE was able to solve in only a few days and the entertainer was saved in the nick of time by the good guys. Good weekend read, but not always how life happens. Anyway, while I’ve always noticed that stage hands and security staff for entertainers do frequently wear dark or black clothing, I had never given a great deal of thought to why. Obviously, it’s to blend into the background, particularly for stage hands who are on stage during the shows changing mics, instruments, etc. for the performers. If the young woman with the BIB or MIB was indeed Morgan, given the time, it would seem very possible that the men were either stage hands or security for the first bands to perform. Not a new idea I know, has been discussed by many. If they were connected to the bands, to my mind. it’s highly probable that LE has been able to identify them and knows how they interacted with Morgan. If they were some of the 1000′s of fans, it possible their identities will never be known. Unless they were arena security who changed clothes before venturing out, I believe they were not employed by the arena. I’m not saying this in an attempt to protect the arena should their involvement come to light. Having been to multiple concerts and sporting events, arena security, whether Charlottesville, Albemarle or University PD, or RMC Event staff always seem to be in uniform. I didn’t get the impression that the accountant was describing a uniform. Rather, my mind pictures young men in jeans and t-shirts, maybe with a light jacket. Now as to what the RMC staff wear inside the arena, I was not there the night of the Metallica concert, but for all other events, they have worn khaki colored pants, white shirts and either navy blue vests or sweater vests. Probably a throw back to the perception of UVA as a preppy community. I would really be interested in hearing comments about security that night, not from people who worked, not from people who have an axe to grind either pro or con about the arena, but from actual attendees who only want to add to the conversation.
Let me also add that you don’t need to be impaired to fall. I had a friend of mine who was at a concert, was not drinking at all, and fell going to the bathroom and hit her head off the concrete steps. She actually ended up at the ER that night (although her husband kind of made her go to the ER because she was just a couple months pregnant with their first child at the time and they had struggled to conceive).
Additionally, I myself have border line low blood pressure. One time I was visiting a friend. I was just stopping in after work to drop off some baby items I was giving her and I just fainted right there in front of her. Although I was fine a few minutes later, she would not let me drive home (like 5 minutes away) and called my husband to come get me. It was embarrassing, I felt fine to drive, but I guess that’s what GOOD FRIENDS do
Not that I like it, but one of Mr. Blink’s “isms” is “you know, you are really clumsy for an athlete”, lol.
A month ago I smashed my left pinky toe walking down the hallway (not impaired). I have broken the 3 right toes on my right foot 3x, one time, by running into a car tire on my jog when failing to stop at an alley and look, where I would have seen the elderly gentleman pull up.
I gave myself a 3rd degree concussion running down my driveway, tripping on the lip and landed on my chin..
I fractured my right wrist while running and tripping on a pine cone.. I could go on.
Not pretty, but there you have it.
B
Meant to also address the security cameras. I really am at a loss as to why Morgan would not have been picked up during her attempts to re-enter. Lt. Rader stated during one of his news conferences that she did try to re-enter at several entrances. I stated my belief that LE couldn’t possibly be so clueless that they would not recognize altered or missing security footage from that night. I truly hope I am right in my faith in their ability to notice discrepancies. Also, I doubt very seriously that the ordinary door attendant has access to security camera footage. The pool of individuals with that capability and access should be a very small pool and very easy to investigate. What should be and actual fact could be far from the same. If the cameras were working and are state of the art, then it would certainly seem she should have been seen when trying to re-enter, when there was not a huge press of people. Maybe the cameras are only located inside and do not film people before they walk through the doors. That raises the question of why she wasn’t seen approaching the doors to exit unless she did, as someone suggested, find an unlocked service or staff door. Maybe none of these answers would solve the question of what happened to Morgan outside the arena, but LE has said that nothing that transpired inside has any bearing on what happened outside, it would seem they must have some information to support that statement.
In my last post I said FEB ’09 for the Waldo Jaquith article on Morgan Harrington, I meant FEB ’10. Sorry.
My thoughts are not as organized as most of you yours here. I am not a sleuth or a sluth! I have a terrible time thinking deductively and seeing the big picture. I get too hung up in the details and I will be the first to admit I often miss the forest for the trees.
I keep going back to cows! Cows are so important to the Gentleman Farmer, Mr. Bass, and also to his wife, whose paintings are beautiful. I know the weather had been horrible right around the time Morgan was found. We have talked about Mr. B. “not knowing what he knows,” so to speak. Could someone have called the Bass home to report a fence down or a cow loose, etc. Could someone have very deliberately tipped Mr. Bass off so that he would find Morgan’s remains. Maybe someone who wanted to do the right thing, but was fearful of repercussions? The fact that Morgan was found is a miracle, or was it, B?
I am thinking that Bass was directly led to the crime scene by something or someone and therein lies the evidence that LE needs to find this murderer. Why is there NO public mention of what was found there? It has been nearly a year. People aren’t talking, why can’t the evidence begin to speak for itself?
Respectfully, whatever LE is doing isn’t working? Isn’t it time to try another approach. Another appeal to North Garden residents and assurance that those who speak out will be kept safe.
@ Judi October 10, 2010 at 10:39 am
I hit my head on the door frame in my own kitchen while putting up laundry a week ago – no alcohol involved. 12 years ago (had to look up date recently because of a vaccination issue) I managed to get a cut that needed stitches while I was scrubbing my bathroom floor – also low blood pressure, stood up too quickly, was dizzy and fell against a sharp edge (ok I admit it was the toilet paper holder, replaced it after that), not drunk either.
It does happen. These are stupid accidents, but they do occur. And from my recent experience I can tell that you are in fact a bit confused after hitting your head.
OT: Thanks for your good wishes! Arm is improving now, but it did hurt. And to the person with the spider bite (sorry, can’t find your post at the moment) – hope you get better soon! Had to google it – what an awful creature.
I wrote and deleted a post on this “thesis” from Duke, and decided to write about it anyway in the wake of the latest rohypnol incident. The following is not for the faint hearted.
A reply from redly, our faithful advocatus diaboli, prompted me to reread the document and search for evidence of anything illegal. This is what I found;
- Underage drinking throughout the document.
- The “thesis” features a guy who has the habit of showing off his private parts in public. If you ask me, this is pretty much outside the norm. It might qualify as lewd exposure.
- In one of the earlier encounters, she walks out of a bar drunk, the last thing she remembers is walking towards what she believed to be a taxi. The next morning, she wakes up next to someone without any recollection of what had happened, but with “strategically placed” bruises. She believes this is funny. I don’t. And I am not sure whether it is legal to have sex with someone who is too drunk to consent.
Particularly revealing is an episode where a guy asks her to stay around for a few moments while he is watching TV because he wanted to do it again. She is flattered, mainly also because she wasn’t looking her best after a long night of partying, and being visible in the bright morning light. My translation: he doesn’t care about her, and only wants her to stay because it is convenient, she believes he might like her.
To me, the way this was handled in some media outlets is extremely dangerous, because it sends out the message that this type of behaviour is not only acceptable, but what one would expect in the times of gender equality and emancipation. It is not. Just because a certain stratum of the male population keeps this type of list it doesn’t mean that women have to copy them. I would find this appalling in either case. Moreover, this life style is not fun, it is bloody dangerous, and it degrades all those involved.
Don’t really want to go into the other details he mentions, also because his post had something ad hominem about it.
Sorry to be posting this, another ten year old girl taken from her own bed in NC.
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@ MsL October 10, 2010 at 10:48 am
I don’t believe that anyone would have messed around with the tapes – it would be one of the first steps LE would take, and it would show up in an investigation, and point the finger right at the person responsible. There must be a fundamental flaw in the system. Maybe it was in fact the case that some of the cameras at the arena don’t record, as Dr. Harrington said.
Regarding the security guards, in total ignorance of the situation at JPJ, it is often the case that they are deployed in a rota system. Typically, you would have a head of security sitting in his office. His job would be to coordinate in a case of emergency, such as a fire, and liaise with the authorities. Then you have people patrolling the premises, this is usually done in a random pattern, people in the control room staring at the computer displays and checking the surveillance, and then you would have people at the door, for instance checking bags. Checking tickets is usually done by temporary staff. These are not actual security. Very often there is however a visible and usually rather large and tough guard standing right behind them. This is just to deter any potential trouble makers. He for instance would be moved to a different task after an hour or so.
I have the feeling what went wrong in this particular instance is that some temps at the door blindly followed their instructions, and did not use their common sense. This would have been the right moment to call the manager – they would be off the hook, and they would make sure that she is alright.
The real security people tend to have an eye for these situations, and they would recognize whether someone is in trouble or is trouble.
If my last post did in fact get lost in space, here is basically what I was asking.
With your recent comments about RMC Events: were you inferring that RMC Events WERE working the concert security?
Or a more general question: do we (public) know who (which company) supplied SG’s that evening?
Or —does LE know & has chosen to not disclose the info?
I am going to post different posts to separate diff questions.
In regards to RMC Events:
There website is pretty “bare boned”
When I looked the business up on manta.com
It says that there is 2 to 4 employees & 2 diff locations in Charlottesville.
It is categorized as an “employment agency”
From what I can tell: it seems as though RMC is basically like a temp agency who recruits contract like workers on an event to event basis.
I also read a couple of places (maybe even from you one of the times) that RMC also works with private security firms to staff events but doesn’t list any.
I am in no way trying to cast this company in a negative light and I so happy that they have been so helpful to LE & u etc during all of this. I’d go back and repost whatever you said- but I’m on iPhone and I’d lose everything I just wrote.
Basically-I want to know if we know exactly who supplied security that evening.
Whether RMC “definately” or “possibly” provided security for the jpj concert that evening as they’re an approved
company for UVA to hire.
And to have a better understanding of how they recruit or hire or whatever security personal. IE: sometimes contracts it out by private firm, always does or if there is any moonlighting going on.
This is a place where I’m stuck & can’t continue on research without some basic understanding.
My apologies if you’ve already answered these questions.
susan says:
October 9, 2010 at 9:30 pm
@ Eloise, Fish, Blink, Texas Grand, Cville Native Away: Yes, I agree.
@ Eloise, I believe you made a point about subterfuge, disinformation, in other words money and power.
I recall an article written by Waldo Jaquith, the person from the VQR magazine which was the “pet project” of former UVA president Casteen, where he tries to make the point in a blog or article of some sort, (FEB’09) that Morgan;s death was an “accident”, and so forth. I am not linking that here because his article was insulting and derogatory, and frankly his tone disgusted me, but I am seeing further evidence that the former UVA administration tried hard to spin the facts of this case.
We all know what happened with VQR in the summer, the suicide, and the huge workplace bullying charges, which have not come to a head. The fact that Waldo Jaquith, for whatever reason (??) decides to come out with a blog/article that Morgan;s death was an “accident”, before the VSP ruled homicide and murder, is very concerning to me, and points me in the direction of Casteen spinning this tragedy for his own reasons: his last brilliant year at the helm. as he evidently saw things.
Jaquith shut down comments to his article just as newsplex reported that Morgan;s death was NOT an accident.
Too bad, he deserved a rebuttal.
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Waldo, like morgan, went to virginia tech and runs his own blog — cvillenews.com. He also writes articles for the Virginia literary magazine VQR, but is not on the masthead. He posted on his blog that he still thought it could have been an accident even after the body was discovered on AF. I remember seeing comments. It was similar to someone writing here or on FM that they thought it may have been an accident.
Note to Lt. Joe Rader
As we approach the one year mark of Morgan’s tragic case, we haven’t heard from you since February 3rd, over eight months ago. How about a press conference? What are the facts of the case, the timeline, the missing pieces? Some information would be better than continued silence. We need to know that the investigation is still active. If you follow BOC you must know that hundreds of people want to help in any way possible.
Thank you.
In regards to the “lack there of” security tapes.
IMHO
- Ive always believed that whatever footage was available: LE has seen.
If Morgan was on it
Or
Was not on it
*LE has chosen to not disclose the answer.
I have to believe this is bc it would jeporadize the investigation.
*LE is vague when it comes to this info for some important reason.
I ASK ANY LE reading here to PLEASE relay any info to us that will help us help you find this guy.
I believe that LE knows exactly how & why Morgan exited the arena. They know if the video shows this, does not or if video was missing.
*they have interviewed witnesses & gotten her friends to talk.
I feel like we spend a great part of our time here trying to figure out part of the story that the police already know.
I guess I’m just frustrated because there are so many scenarios & we never have any encouragement that we are remotely going in the right direction. (not that we are due any…but any sprinkles go a longgggg way!)
Do the police hate us and want us to shut up or do they appreciate our research (I’m referring to blinkers….not blink) and use it?
I would never think any of our efforts are all for nothing but we’ve put our hearts and souls into this case for almost a year & I will continue to as long as it takes…I just don’t want to beat a dead horse or spend time in the wrong areas.
I have no idea how much info Blink is exposed to. I guess all I am really wanting is for LE to somehow let us know if we are barking up the the wrong or right tree.
Does any of this make sense? Mom3.0…I need a pep talk.
A Texas Grandfather – GREAT tips, especially about the phone not distracting me…I hadnt thought of that before. Thank you!
ok, last post for a while….
In regards to the notoriously silent police investigations in the state of Virginia. I wholeheartedly believe that if they couold, many officers think it would be in the best interest of the case to share a little bit more info with the public. However, all of their hands are tied.
This reminds me of how I used to sell products to physicians. My job required that I visit particular clinics on a regular basis and speak to doctors about using my products for their patients. All doctors are different and you must know determine the best way to interact with them.
You can tell alot about te personality of a doctor when entering his clinic based on the demeanor of his staff.
If the nurses, staff etc were happy, talkative and welcoming…..that meant that their boss (the doctor) held a similar personality and thus allowed this positive work enviornment to exist.
If the staff seemed blah, short, stressed, unwelcoming etc…..that reflected upon the doctors (their boss) personality and the type of working enviornment they established.
Using this logic in regards to the police and investigators in VA….if the officers and PR teams are often or always very quiet and secretive during any investigations….it is a mentality or philosophy implemented by the utmost decision maker…their boss.
Whoever is IN CHARGE is the person who thinks it is a mistake, waste of time or unecessary to provide the public with ANY information. This person or small group of people are running the show. Period. Their belief of not disclosing any info to the public is a likely reason for the lack of information in SO MANY unsolved murders in Va.
Its truly mind boggling.
I would be willing to bet that these people are also in cahoots of sort with the major players at the state universities.
UVA wants to cover its behind and not establish a negative image. Too late…sorry.
Crime occurs everywhere unfortunately….everywhere. We cant escape it. But people still have to choose a place to live. I have lived in several extremely dangerous cities (just realized that ) and I’ve always known that my safety depended upon my own self awareness and ability to trust law enforcement if I needed them. I felt safe at the university I attended because I felt they were proactive and unsecretive with info regarding safety etc.
*I chose to go to one of the most dangerous high schools in America because of the excellent education I would receive and I knew that every precaution was being taken for security. Add in my “pepper spray” and eyes wide open….I was safe.
UVA and Virginia big wigs……pandora’s box has been open. We have the key to your closet and skeletons are about to pop out for the world to see. Take my advice and clean up your act now….only then will you have a chance to salvage your reputation.
end of rant.
one more, sorry!
ATTENTION ALL MEMBERS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT/ FIREFIGHTERS, MILITARY AND PUBLIC SAFETY….
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING YOUR LIFE ON THE LINE EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR MY SAFETY.
WORDS CANNOT DESCRIBEY RESPECT, GRATITUDE, APPRECIATION, LOVE THAT I HAVE FOR YOU.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO. WE DO NOT TELL YOU ENOUGH. THANK YOU.
@ redfly: yes he did. Did you see all of the comments, and his comments back? The comments part of that article was so ugly to those (especially on this website) supporting the cause of Miss Morgan, that I was just stunned. That is all I can say, I do not know the man other than through that one article.
I do not believe for one second that the events in the arena before Morgan ended up outside the area are irrelevant as LE claims. I think they say that because that is among the information they cannot talk about. I just do not believe there is any way Morgan walked out of that concert, which she had been waiting to see for 6 months to see, for any reason. Some thing happened that caused her to be stuck outside and that is why she so desperately tried to get back on. Or, at least, that’s my opinion.
But, would you ever doubt a security guard, someone who is supposed to be a person to go to when in need? Or, would you totally trust them?
Thanks for the link Hummingbird. My suspicious nature tells me there may be more to that story. I hope she is found safe.
I swear somewhere deep in my memory, I can see Lt Radar speaking at a presser and I believe I recall him responding to a question and stating, we have found no useful images on video. That has always stayed w/ me, b/c it told me there was video, just not ‘useful’video. This was not the Location statement presser.
Great idea TexasG about the flashers for “emergency” parking.
Fish, if you can think of Eloise while at the ceremony and make a wish for me to the Harrington’s I’d appreciate it. If you remember, I know it will be emotional.
Lordy, we need a break, a new clue, something.
I took my wife to JPJ Arena this weekend for a craft show. Beautiful building but forever tarnished in my mind. It is built into a hill with the main entrance at the top of the hill. The main entrance faces northwest toward Copely Road. Fans who enter here are entering the third level of the building. If they have tickets for level two they have to walk down stairs. Same for level one which is the stage/exhibition floor/basketball court (whatever they have it configured for that day). There is a prominent first-aid station near the front entrance. As someone mentioned there are a lot of ladies rest rooms available on all levels. The scoreboard is shaped like a giant cube and suspended over the center of the floor normally. This weekend it was retracted to its highest position and I could not see much of it. Seems I remember seeing a photo of the Metallica concert where the scoreboard was lowered and banks of security cameras were visible in the lower part of the scoreboard. Does anyone recall what section Morgan and her friends had tickets for? I would like to go there during an upcoming basketball game when the scoreboard is in position and just see what the situation looks like. I am tired of being lied to and wading through carefully parsed statements by the VSP.
We don’t know if Morgan had any specific health problems. However, it is possible that she did. We do know from photos that she was very slender.
An inner ear problem can cause balance to be upset and people fall just walking or climbing a stair or descending one. My mother had this problem from the time she was a child. She could never balance herself on a bicycle. This is a condition that appears from time to time and is not contineous.
Low blood sugar can also cause one to be weak and unstable. If a person is hypoglycemic (pre diabetic), the consumption of a high sugar content drink, soda or alcohol in enough volume will spike the blood sugar and then cause it to drop to a dangerous level.
Poor eyesight, not corrected by glasses, can make one clumsy too. Sometimes women will in the interest of “looking good” leave their glasses in a purse when they should have them on. (Ducking and weaving here) LOL
lol, no need for the bob and weave here, ATG, you have daughters and grands so you would know about fashion first.
I can confirm Morgan did not have any health problems, and contrary to what I have read, she definitely was not on any prescription medications.
B
I can’t believe almost a year has passed since lovely Morgan Harrington vanished on October 17, 2009 only to be found a few months later at a farm just outside of town dead.
How many people and posts have occured since we first started wondering “what happened to Morgan?”.
With the passage of almost a year most of the blogs have moved onto other stories. Even the Find Morgan forum recently shut down. Is this becomming a cold case?
What could have been done differently? I truly believe LE made many mistakes in the first 48 and they have never recovered. Or admitted they made mistakes.
I don’t think LE can continue to hide behind “keeping quiet to preserve the integrity of the case”.
So many really smart people have been involved in the search for answers and the truth. Why can’t LE give us something to go on. Why can’t the public help.
I recently had a discussion with somebody close to the case. They were suprised at the things I knew and that had been discussed between us the forum members.
I truly believe an open forum with a discussion between those that have followed this case so closely with no repremands on anybody would move this case forward.
It sure couldn’t hurt.
Saramom
I think Mr. Bass was checking his fences because of the recent storm that took down some trees. He very definately was growing hay and he could have some cows.
He allowed hunters on the property. This tells me that he would have few animals and that they could be penned up for safety.
i don’t believe it, but in reality, an accident has not been ruled out.
Do you mean regarding Morgan Harrington?
Yes, it most certainly has, VSP has classified her Manner of Death as “homicide”.
B
I don’t have anything to say except I am waiting for an arrest of the sobs that did this to Morgan. As soon as possible. I check in everyday. I’m so impatient. How can this be?
Here is an article from The Hinky Meter on the missing 10yo.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
Does anyone recall what section Morgan and her friends had tickets for? I would like to go there during an upcoming basketball game when the scoreboard is in position and just see what the situation looks like. I am tired of being lied to and wading through carefully parsed statements by the VSP.
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Geo, I think it was 312
Accident has definitely been ruled out. We shouldn’t forget that she has also been forensically tied to the dna on an exceptionally violent rapist. The odds of that person not being directly involved in her murder are infinitesimal. I know some people suspect more than one perp. I don’t. But, be that as it may, “sketch”‘s involvement alone shows it was no accident.
Trumping the evil: Slain student Morgan Harrington’s parents have worked to turn their heartbreak to others’ benefit
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/263463
Thanks MsLAL for linking this article.
So forensic evidence found at Anchorage Farm is linked to Sketch–not the Pantera T?
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Is it possible that Sketch is dead?
Post 33/Elizabeth said:”I truly believe an open forum with a discussion between those that have followed this case so closely with no repremands on anybody would move this case forward.”
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Elizabeth, This is the smartest thing anyone has ever said. I believe that an opoen forum dialogue with everyone from BOC, fm, Morgan’s Warriors, and all the other private sites would be beneficial. No loyalties except to Morgan allowed….connect some dots. Leave your prejudices, finger pointing, grudges and competition at the door. A roundtable would even be better.
@ Eloise: I remember that comment, also. “No images that would aid the investigation”, or something like that. My sense of that comment is, realistically, the video of Morgan trying to be re-admitted while being denied re-entry by event manager, or some security guard, would be so inflammatory, and raise so much anger at the ones responsible, that the VSP would not allow that image to be released.
Now, in bigger cities, I do not think there is such control over public information and news, because the public in larger cities such as NYC demand transparency in government, and especially in matters of public safety, it appears to me. Unless the VSP did not release that video at the request of Morgan;s family, then I think the public is being short changed as to the facts, and as I said those facts would most likely be inflammatory enough that changes would have been made for the better.
If Morgan’s family did not request that the videos NOT be released, (and that would be their right to do so), but if it was simply the VSP’s call that UVA, JPJA, would take too much heat from the actual visual of Morgan being denied re-entry, then I believe that is very wrong. The State protecting the State.
I think the deniers of re-entry deserve a lot of heat.
As regards the VSP’s recent seeming concern that people on some sites were contacting people they thought were involved (and I am reading between the lines here, Blink, I intuited that is what had been said by VSP to some sponsors of websites involving this case, but please correct me if I am wrong.)=======I really think that the VSP just wanted most of the Morgan conversations downplayed or shut down by the one year anniversary, again, too much heat for the VSP to take from the public frustration over the way this case has been handled, and information has been “parsed out” ever so carefully, as to even be confusing.
Early on when I started posting and thinking about this case, I was very concerned that it would end up like the Colonial Parkway Murders, unsolved since the late 1980′s, and families still frustrated with VSP and FBI actions, and also the Alicia Showalter Reynolds murder on RT 29, as well as numerous other cold cases too many to mention. In fact I mentioned in my posting that concern, that while the VSP is very professional, they are not among the most active homicide investigators in this state.
So now I am trying to figure out if the lack of progress in this case is due to that issue, or to the fact as one poster astutely mentioned, that we essentially have the State investigating the State, in VSP/UVA. Is there a conflict of interest in that arrangement where the State does not want to put a State University in a bad light or a seemingly negligent light? Have we gotten the real facts, such as: bridge or parking lot? Escorted out by security? Which security outfit had any contact with Morgan? Why all of the particular choices of words by police spokeswoman–it seems painful to hear her try to describe the dna finding for instance, we don;t know if it is on Morgan, on T shirt, or whatever. Painful.
I think that the VSP, IF it is seemingly dialing down this investigation at the one year mark (that is MY observation), that is unacceptable, since they obviously know 2005 rapist is still at large and he is involved in two heinous crimes. It is not like they can legitimately say, in Morgan’s case, “well we just don;t know”, because they DO KNOW that the public is VERY MUCH in danger with this miscreant on the loose.
Also the Anchorage Farm involvement would seem to considerably narrow the number of possible suspects. Another astute poster said they thought the location was chosen due to access from Blandemar Farm Estates and then to put Morgan NOT on that property. To me that indicates someone with work or family ties on Blandemar Estates area.
If the VSP has not at least made a list of all caretakers, security companies, yard maintenance personnel, garbage collectors, electric linemen who may have been restoring electric lines in the area after the heavy rains, and even hunters using the land, and so on, I am going to be very disappointed.
It seems to be coming back to me that North Garden has a refuse collector SO, and a yard maintenance SO, and Culpeper has a paving SO.
So much for that though, I would not want VSP to think that I or anyone else was calling them in my sleep. I do not think the VSP understands that the reason people want this solved is for Morgan, and also for ourselves, because a clear and present danger exists. These are not the sort of people we would be interviewing personally, or even wanting to have contact with.
Bottom line: this investigation is not something to be shuffled under the rug, a raping murderer (two crimes which we know of) is still on the loose.
I would suggest tracking by familial dna, even though it is under discussion, I have not heard that that is illegal. Surely Sketch must have a relative in the dna database, which would be a starting point.
And if the Police DO know who sketch is, which I most certainly hope by now they do, why not put his actual picture out, not just that drawing? He is involved in the 2005 rape, that and his dna in this case is certainly enough of a reason.
susan, I’m just wondering what you’ll do if it is found that UVa and VSP are not in cahoots…have not made some illegal agreement to conceal the facts regarding Morgan’s disappearance and murder. Every single post of yours has been about how UVa is to blame and that VSP has been pressured into hiding the truth. I’d be interested to see any links to real news sources, not other blog sites, that keep you so focused on this sort of fantasy. Blink, don’t we all have to provide links when making such profound statements? I’m just asking if there are legitimate sources. Conspiracy theories can be dangerous monsters, and I think we need to be careful not to place blame before this case is solved.
I hope for some resolution soon…I am so sorry for all that the Harringtons have had to go through.
Thanks for calling me out, yes, a link to accompany an accusation is appropriate, and if opinion should also indicate what it is based on..
I personally do not think UVA and VSP are in “cahoots”. IN fact, I would not be surprised to see some “issues” within UVA PD come to light by VSP following an arrest.
B
Saramom, yours is the third reference to news sources indicating Sketch dna came from Anchorage (not from tee shirt). Cat and I each posted in the HH security thread (9/24 at 1:44 pm and 9/22 at 3:57 pm) asking if these reports were true. Blink has not responded. As I said before, Sketch’s dna coming from Morgan’s remains, combined with the nature of the Fairfax attack, leads me to think Sketch is sole perp. Why Anchorage and what’s with the T shirt remain unexplainable, with the T shirt being the more mysterious. I continue to believe Anchorage could have been a random choice based on the dark and desolate nature of that crossroads on Rt 29.
With respect to a bus driver connection and any relation to the Fairfax/ Oakton 2005 attack, Cassandra Morton’ murder, and Morgan’s murder, there is one more item of interest: I mentioned that in Lynchburg, the Starlight Express, which used to originate at a cafe of a similar name at 5th St./MLK Blvd., is near the Greyhound Station at Kemper ST. and Park Ave. There is also a Greater Lynchburg Transit (GLTC) Facility, which is the main bus facility for the greater Lynchburg area within 200 meters. This is very close to the area where Ms. Morton was evidently last seen.
If there is any sort of tie-in to these three crimes, bus services, private and public, in all three jurisdictions should be heavily scrutinized. Again, with respect to Morgan’s case, we’re still faced with the question: what is the common denominator with Anchorage Farm?
If someone were to lose a job in one jurisdiction, you have to wonder about any fallacies in the background check system of another organization for which an offender may apply.
Possible Bus Services in the Three Respective Areas:
1. Charlottesville
a. Charlottesville Area Transit (CAT)
b. Starlight Express (service provided at the Amtrak station)
c. Ambassador Limousine (I place this in here b/c they came up in a search for bus charters in the C’ville area and mention bus service on their website: http://www.ambassadorlimos.com/fleet.htm)
d. Greyhound (Amtrak station stop as well)
e. There are presumably other bus/ charter services provided by private transportation providers that are not advertised.
2. Lynchburg (all three have “hubs” or primary facilities near the Park Ave./ Kemper St. areas)
a. Greater Lynchburg Transit Company (GLTC)- GLTC contracted with Liberty University a few years ago to provide service to and from the LU campus, near the discovery of Morton’s body
b. Starlight Express (it’s not clear whether or not bus service is still available to/from Lynchburg)
c. Greyhound
3. Fairfax/ Oakton/ Jermantown Road
a. Starlight Express- they have a pick-up/ drop-off point listed on their website at the West Falls Church Metro Station, about 10 miles from the 2005 Attack believed to be perpetrated by “Sketch”.
b. Fairfax Connector- this bus service picks/up drops off providing to other parts of the county not serviced by Washington Metro bus or train service http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/connector/pdf/427.pdf
I know that LE has indicated no connection between these THREE cases; however, if we are looking at a possible bus service employee, then I think Cassandra Morton’s case could be tied-in to the other two based on the strong presence of bus operations in the area where she disappeared.
38.Eloise says:
October 11, 2010 at 9:57 am
“Geo, I think it was 312″
[Morgan's seating section]
Thanks, Eloise. That section would be on the entry level and not far from the main entrance, i.e. Morgan’s group would not have to use the stairways after entering the building to get to their seating section.
MSL- I agree- I always thought Morgan never intended on leaving the area- To me, she seemed to be making her way around the building, at first I thought it might be to get to her car- but later, I thought, she was checking around the building for doors- to which she could try-
Afterall- she was advised by SS of ways she may get back in… could one of these tips been to try different doors, or try to reenter with another group of concertgoers who were late and try to blend in as someone else- in case she was blacklisted for the night by security-
Maybe security actually refused to sell her another ticket- so she was walking around trying to buy a scalpers ticket– or maybe SS advised her to try to find so & so because he/she will let you back in and SS knows him or AM DC knows him ect ect?
I really hope her friends have been entirely forthcoming in everything they know or suspect and I hope their phone records were also checked- because who knows- someone could have called them to check on their status through the night….
IRT Morgan’s ticket- its not hard to misplace a ticket stub and she was seen dropping her purse several times- perhaps one of these times she was actually dumping it out inorder to find her stub… Or perhaps in the altercation /shouting at the door with the female security guard as reported by kickee- she lost her ticket stub in a scuffle…
So many possible scenarios- I just don’t know its all speculation
@ Saramom October 11, 2010 at 11:11 am
“Is it possible that Sketch is dead?”
I was wondering about that. It would certainly explain a lot.
Moreover, I have posted this before somewhere, there is still the possibility that the DNA match was caused by contaminated lab equipment. I am aware of three high profile cases where this had happened. Only in one case the source of the contamination was found. This could explain why the Sketch link is no longer pursued.
The most dangerous scenario is that the murderer has been identified, and that he is aware of that. If he knew that they are done with their investigation and currently in the process of writing everything up for the prosecutor, than he would have nothing to lose.