The Devil They Knew: Jessica Ridgeway Accused Murderer Austin Reed Sigg Profile Emerges
Graphic Warning: Segments of this report while accurate, are graphic and may be objectionable to some readers. It is definitely inappropriate for readers under the age of 18 without parental permission and recommended supervision.
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Westminster, CO- Standley Lake High School dropout Austin Sigg told his Mother he kidnapped 10 year old Witt Elementary student Jessica Ridgeway the morning of Friday October 5.
Mindy Ashbaugh Sigg , divorced from Robert J Sigg, the father of the couple’s two teenage boys, called Westminster Police Tuesday evening to alert them of her son’s admission.
Upon arrival, Austin Reed Sigg confessed the unthinkable. Sigg told investigators he strangled the little girl after he snatched her into his Jeep, hogtied her in the back, and they could find the remainder of the child in a cooler located in a crawl space at his 102nd St address. By 7:45PM Sigg was arrested for the kidnapping and murder of Jessica Ridgeway, and the attempted kidnapping and attempted murder of a female jogger on May 28, 2012 a few hundred yards from his home.
The self-professed death mobile was impounded and inventoried at an undisclosed evidence bay for processing .
Although Sigg did not graduate High School, he earned his GED and was attending the alternative school Warren Tech last March where he won second place in the forensics category- a CSI award. Sigg was currently enrolled at Arapohoe Community College with the intention of fulfilling the prerequisite courses necessary to join the mortuary science program- which requires a background check for acceptance.
The irony of an award matching the letters on the backs of jackets combing through the Sigg home was not lost on the seasoned crime scene technicians fastidiously processing this newest crime scene in the case.
It was also not lost on any of the law enforcement personnel present that field testing did not detect results synonymous with an environment used to dismember a human. They are confident that had to have occurred somewhere else.
They are missing a crime scene. Are they missing an accomplice?
Spawn or Pawn?
Austin Reed Sigg was born to Mindy and Rob Sigg on January 17, 1995 . This was the second marriage for Rob and two small children later, the couple would divorce before Austin’s fifth birthday.
Mindy Sigg, a tech for a Lasik provider in Westminster, had full custody of the boys while Rob continued his long and varied criminal history consisting of DUI’s, drugs, and finally landing in Federal prison for an identity theft and mortgage scheme in 2006. Robert is the president of Performance One Media- the company is named in current civil litigations, and he owns a go Kart racing team.
Extended family members speaking on the condition of anonymity to BOC, confirmed this morning that the family had serious concerns about Austin’s “direction” during his junior year at Standley Lake.
…” We heard that he was in counseling over issues related to the family breaking up, you know, Rob was in and out of prison sort of thing, but while Mindy kept telling everyone she was told this kind of phase of wearing black, being holed up in his room playing video games, and charging porn movies on her accounts was normal for a teenage boy, we had discussed someone taking the lead and mentioning we thought Austin did not seem “normal” for as long as I could remember. But then he had a girlfriend for a while, and he seemed to sort of snap out of it. The last thing I remember was that they had gone to some formal and the next thing we knew he was pulled out of school and in intensive therapy for a pornographic addiction, so I don’t know if that is what broke the kids up, or what. Mindy had it rough with the two boys on her own. She put herself through that school in Denver on her own dime while Rob got locked up and about the same time. I think the kids were probably very much on their own and by the time Austin started having really big issues, it may have been too late obviously.
We still don’t know how he comes out of prison and paid of over $140K in fines while Mindy was forced to file bankruptcy this summer we found out later. I tried to look up Rob’s stuff on the internet, but a bunch of the files from his criminal case are still sealed.”
A review of Ms. Sigg’s bankruptcy petition may indicate that Austin either had or was facing some juvenile charges. It was filed 2 days after the Memorial Day attack on a young female jogger Sigg is also charged with, and a few weeks prior to an elaborate luxury vacation the family took to the US Virgin Islands. As reported by kdvr, Investigators with WPD and the FBI may not have been aware of their suspect’s international travels and are now in contact with authorities abroad.
Emerging Profile
As the news of Austin Sigg’s arrest flashed through the town of 18,000 and then the Nation, those that knew him or claimed to know him well, hit the web. Below are the highlights that portray a picture of an adolescent exhibiting signs worthy of
Sarah Moravec, a Standley Lake High School senior, says she picked on 17-year-old Austin Sigg nearly every day for having a high-pitched voice.
“I picked on him a lot,” Moravec said. “Austin was just different. So, why not pick on the different people? But then again, I was bullied whenever I was younger.”
The Standley Lake senior said Sigg often wore dark clothing and hung out at the back of the cafeteria with others.
“We didn’t even think he was somebody our age,” Moravec said. “We thought it was some 45-year-old pervert or something like that.”
“Danni”- a girl who dated Sigg twice and spent time with him at Warehouse 180, a meeting place for Christian teens.
“He was sweet. I knew he had like a weapons collections, swords and knives, but it was just like his man cave.
Christy Mueller- walking on the trail around Standley Lake recently, encountered Sigg and a few friends. She felt immediately as if he was up to something.
…” I just felt as soon as I saw him he was up to something, if he (her dog) was not here I am afraid of what might have happened…”
Meaghan Barker was Sigg’s lab partner at Warren Tech-
…” We learned about DNA analysis, finger printing, hair follicles and decomposition…”
Someone claiming to love Austin Sigg and a fellow victim of bullying that Sigg helped, started a face book page in support of Sigg late yesterday and said that he may have confessed because he knew whoever else was involved could not be caught. He went on to ask forgiveness for his friend and called the act satanic.
Although an avid gamer under the tag dohastvath, there are no current online stats exist past June 2010. Sigg’s voice can be heard here, he plays Yoshi in this YouTube series with two other boys where he repeatedly expresses he is not gay and references a disturbing knowledge of bondage and graphic sexual devices and situations. The series was uploaded in 2009.
It is clear that Austin Sigg has a slight speech impediment, and indeed, an efeminite vocal tone at 14.
Yesterday during the press conference Jefferson County Prosecutor Scott Storey announced that further charges were possible in connection with Ridgeway’s murder and the investigation is ongoing.
The autopsy of Jessica Ridgeway’s remains located on October 10th are complete pending forensic and toxicology testing, however, her cause of death , if known, has not been released publicly.
This morning, it was decided that Sigg will be charged as an adult. His next court appearance is scheduled for October 30th. Austin Sigg’s DNA was recovered from Jessica Ridgeway’s backpack.
Please check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this developing
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Sue
Your experience has shown you that we do not have a quality system for dealing with the criminal mind. I agree that often a person is sent to prison for a crime and while there learns to be a better criminal. These people will stress our justice system to the breaking point if allowed to be among general society.
I believe that perhaps our current social mores delay the development of mature minds. If we teach youth to be responsible to their parents values we have a better opportunity to keep them away from things that they are not yet ready to handle. When parents values are low then the children will follow suit unless there is someone that will take the role of the parent and teach them.
Whoa. “The Apprenticeship” on Criminal Minds tonight featured a sadistic mentor –sexual sadist.
Naturally, it’s pretty quick and flip in some of the investigators, but ugh…these freaks exist.
They do, they do, they do. I am going to have to check that out, criminal minds does a pretty decent job in depicting their characters. Thanks WG.
B
Mom3.0. Thank you for your considered response to my snipe which was undeserved by you.
The minute distinctions made by the expert you site infuriate me. At the base of my feelings is that perhaps I am not at all interested in what separates technical Sexual Sadistic crime from from Violent Sexual crime resulting in injury or death.
“I assure you none were talking in tongues nor is it meaningless speech”
Still, I am not at all assured that it isn’t meaningless. Reading your last post; the only distinction between Sexual Sadists and other kinds of Violent Sexual criminals that I can detect is; that the Sexual Sadist can respond sexually ONLY in cases where pain is inflicted. Whereas those other sex killer/maimers can respond sexually to other scenarios in addition to sex concurrent with the infliction of pain.
Is that really a meaningful distinction? Is it even true that Sexual
Sadists cannot respond to any other sexual scenarios?
I hope that no one is trying to make a distinction between extreme pain and agony; linguistically they are synonymous.
The infliction of pain in order to emotionally satisfy the abuser is sadism. The infliction of pain in order to sexually satisfy the abuser is sexual sadism. Is there any more to it than that?
So what of sexual abusers who intentionally inflict pain coincidental to sexual acts, such as gang bangers who are raising the level of torture while performing sexually in order to one up his mates in crime? They are engaging in sexual sadism regardless of the initial motivation. They are being sexually stimulated by that scenario.
We become what we do.
annals. Yes, we become what we do. thanks for that. As I reach for some sleep today, tonight, I’ll be comforted by that thought, as I can take that in a positive way to affirm work on behalf of the innocent, as well as the work I do in my chosen professions(s). Hopefully others here will, as well, because advocates of this caliber are rare in our society.
Your housing help is an example of teamwork. I was looking at socio-economic issues relating to the Ridgeway and Sharpton murders. When we trust each other enough to be supportive, we’re on our way to bringing criminals into account. Yay, team Blink!
Youre welcome –
annals you wrote:
The minute distinctions made by the expert you site infuriate me. At the base of my feelings is that perhaps I am not at all interested in what separates technical Sexual Sadistic crime from from Violent Sexual crime resulting in injury or death.
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I am sorry that you feel infuriated by the expertS annals
I understand as again this is a very complex profile and unless one delves deeper into the distinctions it is quite hard to see and understand the differences-
Even though I am doing extensive research it is still hard to grasp the complexities- so please dont feel bad- It is frustrating and I am sure the experts themselves find with so little studies done that they can become disillusioned as well – for me what complicates matters even further is the propensity for overlap in these profiles -
annals- just to be clear these are NOT minute differences these are stringent markers to differentiate between offenders with other disorders and those of an offender who is a sexual sadist.
These are important differences
You wrote
At the base of my feelings is that perhaps I am not at all interested in what separates technical Sexual Sadistic crime from from Violent Sexual crime resulting in injury or death.
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I understand your disinterest and to a point I agree any offender that kidnaps, hurts, sexually assaults, maims and kills is grotesque- but if you are disinterested annals..are you sure you are open to even working to understand?
Annals to me it is important to distinguish the difference between a sexually sadistic offender and that of a violent offender- for if we dont work to understand, how can we work to treat and prevent and apprehend this type of offender?
We need to understand what we are up against, as the experts do know that this type of offender is far the hardest to recognize and catch-
He as Blink has pointed out is the worst of the worst.
The sexual sadist offender is far more dangerous and far more depraved and scary- it is he who tortures and holds captives and revives his victims just to see them suffer longer
He is always on the look out for more victims and is forever expanding new ways to prolong the suffering -he relives each moment until the next victim is captured. He often finds partners in life whom he dominates which can be molded to help in these endeavors -
He documents his acts often in diary form and often on tape He forces his victims to watch – he gets better with time- he defiles his victims and humiliates them in every way- he controls them in every way- he wants to see them suffer -he gets off on the agony the pain produces
He thinks of new and more horrible ways to infict pain to achieve agony he wants the agony to never end. He is forever fantasizing- and he often makes a victim play out each fantasy
snip ** by me-
Sadistic Fantasy- those of the sexual sadist center on domination, control, humiliation, pain, injury, and violence, or a combination of these themes,** as a means to elicit suffering. **
The fantasies discerned from the personal records of offenders are **complex, elaborate, and involve detailed scenarios that include specific methods of capture and control, location, scripts to be followed by the victim, sequence of sexual acts, and desired victim responses.**
He sees himself as their God He plans his crimes He wears many faces and hides in plain sight he is very hard to catch.
snip:
“He is sadistic because he feels impotent, unalive, and powerless. He tries to compensate for this lack by having power over others, by transforming the worm he feels himself to be into a god”
You wrote
Still, I am not at all assured that it isn’t meaningless. Reading your last post; the only distinction between Sexual Sadists and other kinds of Violent Sexual criminals that I can detect is; that the Sexual Sadist can respond sexually ONLY in cases where pain is inflicted. Whereas those other sex killer/maimers can respond sexually to other scenarios in addition to sex concurrent with the infliction of pain.
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NOO annals this is NOT what I wrote nor is it the opinion of the experts I sited- there are many distinctions between sexual sadist offenders and other violent offenders and what makes it more complex is there are often many overlaps between them also- Please take the time to read the research links- unless youre disinterest overwhelms your need to understand.
You wrote:
Is that really a meaningful distinction? Is it even true that Sexual
Sadists cannot respond to any other sexual scenarios?
The experts nor I never said that a sexual sadist can not respond in other sexual scenarios- many sexual sadists are lawabiding citizens annals, and many never act on their darkest fantasies.\
The experts are referring to “the great white shark” of OFFENDERS, the sexual sadistic killer.
It IS an IMPORTANT distinction between an offender who is a sexual sadist and one that is not:
it is the AGONY, the SUFFERING that elicits the gratification NOT the pain which is used to produce it- although with overlap yes some sexual sadists would derive some pleasure from the act of torturing too- the tipping point becomes did the offender derive sexual gratification from the agony and the suffering.
You wrote:
I hope that no one is trying to make a distinction between extreme pain and agony; linguistically they are synonymous.
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annals I understand you take offense to the findings of the experts, it is good to question- and more studies need to be done-
yet those that are complete have been documented,& however mindboggling to the average citizen- to the sexually sadistic offender there is a huge difference between that of inflicting pain- and that of the agony elicited.
Pain is agony linguistically you are correct- but we are not talking linguistics here we are talking markers- stringent markers of an offender that is a sexual sadist
You wrote:
The infliction of pain in order to emotionally satisfy the abuser is sadism. The infliction of pain in order to sexually satisfy the abuser is sexual sadism. Is there any more to it than that?
Yes but there is more to it than that – as I wrote as the experts have found-
there are varying degrees of a sexual sadist- they each fantasize and any violence used, is in direct correlation to these fantasies- but for the sexual sadistic offender it is an important distinction
You wrote:
So what of sexual abusers who intentionally inflict pain coincidental to sexual acts, such as gang bangers who are raising the level of torture while performing sexually in order to one up his mates in crime? They are engaging in sexual sadism regardless of the initial motivation. They are being sexually stimulated by that scenario.
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NO annals again A sexual sadist is not about the pain it is about the agony-
a gang banger who hurts and kills can be a sexual sadist but he is not one if he wasnt gratified directly by the agony
So what? it matters annals to preventing to treating and to catching a sexually sadistic killer- these offenders will not stop- they get better at hiding-and they get more sadistic with time so it matters- to LE to the families and to the victims-
You wrote:
We become what we do.
Yes we do- but how is that the answer to prevention? to treatment ? to apprehension of a sexual sadist annals?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us annals- and thankyou for allowing me to share the research as well as my thoughts-
Thanks for the discussion I believe It is through discussing that we promote a better understanding & further advocacy
sorry for the length
Peace AjMO
hmm.. the charges for the attack at the lake ,seem ,that he did commit some type of sexual act. what happened in that case ,is telling. he picked her up and carried her ,and did succeed at some type of something ,and then she got away, is the way it read to me. if his mom knew he was responsible for that attack ,hence the trip to virgin islands,instead of making the le call, then, jessica would alive and the community would not be horrified and scarred. the profiles for the two cases imo are different. since he scoffed,and was so intrigued at his classmates ted bundy presentation ,i just wonder ,on a lark , if the lake victim, resembled ,his ex – girlfriend, since that was tedb’s supposed getdown.what was up ,with his snickering at ted bundy?did he know the case ,or was he just hearing about it?
Blink,
There was an attempted abduction of a young woman outside of a bar in Aurora, Co. not too long ago. I saw a newsreporter report on it and she said the police think there was a possible connection between the Aurora attempted abduction and the other attempted abduction of a young woman jogging in the park. The strange similarity was that in both cases the abductor had used some kind of cloth with a chemical that smelled funny. If those cases are connected then this monster Austin was not working alone. In the Aurora case, there was a second suspect. I have to find the link to the news report, but I am unable to do so right now. I apologize if this was mentioned before.
Do we know when Mindy Sigg’s boyfriend moved out? Did he go to the Virgin Islands on vacation with her and the kids?
I wonder if LE is looking into crime in an area and time that AS is known to have visited, such as the vacation to the Virgin Islands. Also, I’m also interested in knowing more about his mom’s boyfriend and what he was like, relationship with AS, etc.
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/344132/28/Attempted-Colorado-abduction-could-be-related-to-other-cases
Here is the link to news report about a possible link that I had referred to in my previous post.
I haven’t seen any news reports that the police are looking for an accomplice. I also haven’t seen reports that the two abductors in the video Phyl posted have been found. I wonder if any of Sigg’s friends or relatives recognize the small white car.
Joan T. says:
November 11, 2012 at 2:04 pm
I also haven’t seen reports that the two abductors in the video Phyl posted have been found.——this was my concern also. there hasnt seemed to be an agressive search for those two,very dangerous people. —also, i hope things are getting better, in your beach community,best wishes at getting things back to normal.
Word Girl, I saw “The Apprenticeship” episode on Criminal Minds and it made the hair on my arms stand up. Austin Sigg was the first thing (and I do mean thing) that came to my mind when I saw it. It was so on the money how many of us believe that Sigg did not do this on his own.
Blink, you’ve really got to see this episode.
Word Girl says:
November 7, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Whoa. “The Apprenticeship” on Criminal Minds tonight featured a sadistic mentor –sexual sadist.
Naturally, it’s pretty quick and flip in some of the investigators, but ugh…these freaks exist.
Joan T,
I am thinking an accomplice would have made the abduction of that poor child easier for this monster. And if Blink is thinking Jessica’ death may have involved some type of occult ritual, I would think it would involve more than one twisted butthead.. but I am no expert, it is just an intuitive feeling coming from the news that I have been exposed to.
I wonder if the police are searching for the abductors in the video Phyl posted (Nov. 10: 12:31 PM), but are just keeping it quiet. Also, they must be investigating the “friends” of Austin’s that the girl walking her dog in the park saw. They’re probably talking to AS every day, trying to find out all they can. Just my guess. I wonder if he’s being cooperative.
Joan, LE will have no access to AS outside the presence of an attorney, and now that he has been charged I doubt very much they will allow any sort of meetings until it has been adjudicated as to adult or juvenile court. Gonna be honest, I have a bad feeling this could remand to juvenile court.
Especially as he has been in treatment as early as 15. I do not agree with that, and I will be thoroughly upset if that happens, but the Supreme Court ruling on juvenile v adult offenders makes the status pretty clear.
To all- I watched the Criminal Minds “The Apprentice” episode as suggested. ( I use my amazon account and have a season pass or one can look up the episode guide and set your DVR ).
1. This is a very good “suggestive” of what a sexual sadist “in training” will look like, but just because we all know I am so uber picky about accuracy, I will say it is an oversimplified plot line.
2. The sexual preference of the mentor is a possibility, but his profile is not really explored or has enough depth for me to comment on. It is possible, and I think the loose basis was Jett Duncan without ever going into his past, etc.
3. A victim that can be tied to the offender is highly rare for this offender, but because it was related to the younger creep that is again possible, and I suspect we will learn that Jessica had at least a passing familiarity with AS.
B
Blink, I don’t know if you allow links to petitions on your blog. If not, I understand. I came across this petition on the White House website:
http://wh.gov/8Uqh
It’s a petition to regulate internet pornography. I don’t think it’s strong enough, but it’s something. It only asks that no one be allowed to enter any porn website without a credit card number issued to an adult. (Well, didn’t AS use his mother’s credit card?) It also calls for NO advertising on any internet porn site. I guess that’s good.
But I’ve heard that some countries don’t allow the distribution of porn at all via the web and some countries have restrictions on the types of porn distributed. I read that on Wikipedia.
I’d like to see us aggressively ban the distribution of all but the mildest forms of porn. And IMO it should be banned for everyone, not just minors.
The Wiki article also addresses the difficulties of regulating it, due to the international nature of the internet.
The Wiki article is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_Internet_pornography
The problem is that years ago, when porn was only in print media, law enforcement would go after the distributors. LE could track them down. Now on the internet…, I’ll quote the Wikipedia article:
“Banning porn sites within a nation’s jurisdiction does not necessarily prevent access to that site, as it may simply relocate to a hosting server within another country that does not prohibit the content it offers.”
Saudi Arabia and China use countrywide filters that keeps ALL porn out of their countries. I don’t suppose the U.S. would EVER go for something like that, but I can hope.
Let me tell you why they will not- they catch and crack many deviant sites and users by their access of them.
B
since asigg confessed is it likely he will plead guilty?
I would be willing to bet if he could guarantee his adjudication in juvenile court he would.
B
http://m.denverpost.com/denverpost/pm_14466/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=YhxsdvKB
Aurora police seek green SUV in attempted abduction at school bus stop10/22/2012 3:43 PM An 8-year-old girl on her way to school in Aurora Monday morning was told by a stranger to get in his sport-utility vehicle, police said.The child was at a bus stop near East Louisiana Avenue and South Idalia Street at about 8:30 a.m, when a man pulled over in the green, two-door “Jeep-like” vehicle, the child told police.She ran to friends who were approaching the bus stop, and the SUV left. The girl reported the incident when she reached her school, Aurora police said Monday afternoon.The SUV also had a passenger.A person who lives in the area told police she did not see the incident Monday morning, but had noticed a green Chevy Blazer in the area apparently watching the kids at the bus stop.The Aurora Police Crimes Against Children Unit is investigating this incident. Anyone who sees a vehicle matching the description near East Louisiana Avenue and South Idalia Street can call police at 303-627-3100 or Crimes Against Children Sgt. Joe Young at 303-739-6093.”This is yet another reminder to the public to be vigilant,” Aurora police said in a statement. “Please report any suspicious behavior to police. Suspicious behavior could include an unknown adult watching children in a park or at a bus stop; a vehicle following a child or children; an unknown vehicle circling an area where children are. Please take the time to talk to your child about staying safe.”
If he’s charged as a juvenile, he can still be given life without parole though, right? Because the crime was so heinous!
I can’t imagine how awful even that would be for Jessica’s family, to have to go and relive this every time he’s up for parole. Maybe he’ll be killed in prison, like Dahmer was. Maybe even prisoners will be disgusted, horrified, and afraid of him.
I was staying with my father during and after the hurricane and the Nor’easter. I would go to my sister’s to use her computer and on some days I took just a few minutes to read the comments here on this blog. I was speechless at the talk of him torturing poor Jessica Ridgeway. There are no words still. I’m just grieving for her. And her parents.
I think if the parents have to go to his parole hearings, it will make the torture for them continue. And the place that he left Jessica, overlooking a road, so public, and someone called it a “witchy” place (my town has a place like that, too, and awful things have happened there), and then that he left the cross, and that the cross was misshapen, I felt it at the time that he did all of that on purpose, and it was his way of torturing Jessica’s family and all of us. I don’t know if this kid is into the occult, but I think he’s looking to shock and horrify everyone. He’s not just a psychopath, who really wouldn’t care what we felt about him or what he’s done. He’s like a serial killer with a sense of drama. Obviously, I haven’t studied criminology or profiles. I just try to understand these things from the framework I know.
This case is beginning to remind me of the Moors murders in northern England, near Yorkshire. The killer was a sadist, and this was back in the early 1960s, so when you think about it, he didn’t have violent games to play on the internet, and I’m not sure what access he had to porn. But he was fascinated with the Marquis de Sade and with the Nazis. I first read about these murders when I was trying to find out if serial killing is something new. Well, I guess it’s not. The killer’s name is Ian Brady, and his girlfriend was his accomplice. She helped him lure children to the Moors, and it’s so sad how trusting the children were. He’s still alive, and to this day he won’t tell the police or the parents where some of the children are buried. I think this is his way of continuing to be sadistic to the parents.
Incidentally, I tried to find out if there is anything medically wrong with Ian Brady, as some explanation. The only thing I can find is that he’s been diagnosed as a psychopath. There was mention that his medical records haven’t been released, so maybe there’s more. I’m wondering if, for the sake of research and to prevent crimes like this, the State of Colorado or the F.B.I. has the right to ask for medical tests and psychological tests for Austin Sigg, and would Austin Sigg have the right to ask that the results be kept private? I mean after the trial is over, just to know.
While I understand that there is no such thing a slam dunk case, the preponderance of evidence (remains found at AS home) along with his confession are encouraging of some level of justice being done if tried and convicted as a juvenile. Is it certain that AS would one day walk the world a free man in this case? And freed in a relatively short time frame because of his “youth”?
What would be the likely outcome if tried and convicted as an adult?
Any way you slice it, it seems to me he should have to forfeit his freedom for the rest of his days, given the ineligibility for the DP due to his age at time of crime.
Also-if he is truly a sexual sadist as he appears to be, would he not be at enormous risk of reoffending if released even after many years? Can’t cure evil:(
If he is tried as a juvenile outside of some permanent
If his case is remanded to juvenile court, would he have a juried trial?
No, juvenile judge only. Sealed and closed to the public.
B
mosaic says:
November 14, 2012 at 12:56 pm
If his case is remanded to juvenile court, would he have a juried trial?
No, juvenile judge only. Sealed and closed to the public.
B
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I hope he’s tried as an adult. We’re allowed to know what adult sex offenders were charged with, and we’re allowed to know where they live for the sake of public safety. If a juvenile commits a crime like THIS, or even one that doesn’t result in murder, I’d sure like to know who he is and where he’s living.
Could he really get out of prison at some point? It’s scary.
I found several articles dealing with the juvenile vs. adult assignation procedures, possible outcomes. As Colorado has recently (March 2012) changed it’s laws regarding charging juveniles as adults. Before it was up to the discretion of the prosecution, now the prosecution can request the offender be tried as adult , the judge must also agree and as an added safeguard the defense is given several days too request a Reverse Transfer back to juvenile status.
Law professor, also ex-defense, thinks AS likely will be tried as an adult with life if convicted (parole after 40 years~so only 57 if he got out!) and only 7 (!) years if convicted as a juvenile.
There is no justice good enough on this earth…
http://m.ourcoloradonews.com/mobile/arvada/news/defense-team-wants-sigg-tried-as-a-juvenile/article_50927a34-f75a-5252-987d-c9d284f77862.html
Thanks Annals and Mom3.0 I’ve picked up so much from your discussion, though admittedly it gave me nightmares a couple of nights.
If Sigg did have a mentor/accomplice, and from reading news reports of similar attempted abductions of both children and young women in the area and during the same time period, I have a feeling that that person meets the requirements to be tried as an adult and with all the extra perks that come with it. They have to locate this person or persons whether they can connect them to Sigg or not. Id be FREAKING out if I lived there and had a child, a young adult or A CAT! I read a report about a neighbor of Sigg’s who fond his beloved cat in the neighborhood CUT IN HALF! gotta find that link again.
once its decided adult or juvie,shouldnt the next step be a round of psycho. testing? i did read silence of the lambs , i just havent read any true ,non-fiction,”in the mind of a serial” books.i did follow the ted bundy case as a kid,he got around to all of states,even colorado. i did read the vanity fair profile article,that came out in the 80′s ,i think, maybe it was even dominic dunne. i just refreshed,and ,i had always assumed ,maybe i didnt explore deep enough,or i didnt know that he was currently with the said girlfriend that rejected him ,she called him to find where he was ,and he replied evasively and that was the night of his first ,this according to wikipedia,so maybe there were problems in the relationship.and it is interesting because , has she ever been interviewed, i would really really think her perspective would be necessary in an analysis,maybe she has been vocal.i cant find it. i also dont think ted bundy fits an anti social profile ,he seems very social ,and so does sigg. the picture of jessica is dated 2006 , is the cheerleader pic current? cuz i see abit of a resemblance between jessica and the girl in the ski ,pic. the girl in the ski pic ,seems small,so,if some pysche connect,the jump from adult jogger to child ,is slighter,especially if the jogger was petite.and ,the “i just want someone to bond with” is a double entendre maybe someone showed up and taught him some bondage.and yeah , i was wondering why he would hog tie , if she was already deceased. so she wasnt already deceased.
http://killingkillers.blogspot.com/2012/11/people-versus-sigg-quick-guide-to-17.html
The charges against Sigg. Apolly, if already posted here, I stepped away, it just makes me ill.
Phyl says:
November 15, 2012 at 10:20 am
If Sigg did have a mentor/accomplice, and from reading news reports of similar attempted abductions of both children and young women in the area and during the same time period, I have a feeling that that person meets the requirements to be tried as an adult and with all the extra perks that come with it. They have to locate this person or persons whether they can connect them to Sigg or not. Id be FREAKING out if I lived there and had a child, a young adult or A CAT! I read a report about a neighbor of Sigg’s who fond his beloved cat in the neighborhood CUT IN HALF! gotta find that link again.
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OMG Phyl, yes, it’s terrifying. I hadn’t heard of the cat. I live 2,000 miles away but the day Sigg was arrested I slept better than I had in a week. And yes, I remember all those reports, too. I remember being shocked that there were so many all within miles of each other. Am I wrong, was there a report of a man and an Asian woman walking off with someone’s toddler? And the boy who was grabbed right along the same running path where the jogger was attacked? I wonder if the boy is able to identify Sigg, or was it someone else? There haven’t been charges brought against Sigg for that. And the two men who tried to abduct the woman outside the nightclub, using a rag soaked in a chemical? That took place before Sigg was arrested. And if that’s a copycat crime, then it’s as disturbing as the rest of all this that two men would hear of that poor jogger being attacked and think it was a good idea to try the same thing. And then there was the girl who was walking her dog along the jogging path, and she saw Sigg with a few friends, she knew Sigg, and she got the creeps and she credits her dog with saving her from them. She felt they were up to no good that day. I’m wondering who those guys were. And on another blog, right after Sigg was caught, someone wrote that Sigg’s mother said he did not act alone. I don’t recall the exact comment, but I think it was on JusticeQuest. I don’t know where the person who wrote the comment got that information, because I haven’t seen it anywhere else. Maybe it was just a rumor.
I hope the police are looking though. I wonder if they are. Maybe they’re having a hard time trying to calm the community down, and they don’t want to bring up the idea of an accomplice until they know for sure, but they’re still looking? I’m trying to figure out why they haven’t mentioned looking for an accomplice. Trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, because they handled the first arrest so extremely well, and so quickly! Taking the DNA samples and talking to people, house to house. It was just perfect, and all the info they went to the media with. I think the police deserve big holiday bonuses, really, I don’t mean to criticize at all. I’m just getting a little nervous that there might be an accomplice out there.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/15/kara-nichols-missing_n_2138836.html?icid=maing-grid7|heroes|dl1|sec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D235236
19 yr. old girl went missing on October 9 on her way to work in Denver.
http://m.denverpost.com/denverpost/pm_14466/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=CopOG8pO
Joan, Here is the news report that mentions poor Chewie, the cat.
Sorry this reply is brief, Im hunting and pecking on a tablet….
Joan T. thx for the info on the 19yo missing in the Denver area. We can only expect the worst in this case.
I’m almost afraid to comment on this case. Poor girl. I hope her family can have some closure soon.
I will call attention to the woman who the family hired to get the word out about her missing status.
Michelle Bart. Sound familiar, anyone?
No Effing Way. Lawdy.
B
That’s Kelly Dixon, sorry.
OMG Word Girl, I looked up Michelle Bart. I’m endlessly impressed with how spot on you all are about every detail in these cases. For anyone who doesn’t know, Michelle Bart is an event planner and media consultant. Making a career jump into crime fighting? I read a short bio on WordPress, and it ends with this:
“In her spare time, she enjoys wine tasting, playing with her nieces, and relaxing at a day spa.”
She may be a very well meaning lady, but it seems to be a bit like “Miss Congeniality” in reverse.
O/T: Extend your research- she is a Caylee Anthony case flunkee.
B
Phyl,
Thanks for the link on the cat. I’ll bet LE took a DNA sample from him, even though he was a minor, because they had many reasons to suspect him.
I hope the ex-marine neighbor who owned the cat doesn’t have children. I feel so sorry for the kids in the whole Westminster area, being so terrified, and knowing that their parents were just as terrified. This whole thing could really scar them.
Sorry to leave so many comments, I just have to know though, Blink and all, do you think Austin Sigg could have something to do with the missing 19 year old girl?
Joan T.,
I’m like you, although I feel bad for the poor cat (I’m an animal lover and a cat owner myself), It’s painful for me to think of the grief and trauma a child would go through losing a beloved pet that way. What is wrong with these nuts? Certainly sounds like the work of a serial killer in the making. And what a coincidence – guess who lived across the street from this cat and his family?
As for Kara, the 19 year old girl who is missing, from reading that article you posted I don’t sense that it is related, but what do I know. There are a lot of sickos out there and an attractive young woman who happens to model lingerie is like chum for the sharks.
I get the feeling that Sigg and company like to troll schoolgrounds and if they don’t find an opportunity to abduct their desired target, will try and grab whoever they can nearby no matter the age or the sex. But that’s just based on some assumptions I have made reading very few articles about these attempted abductions in the area.
OH,In an attempt to figure out what the heck those three slashes in that weird shaped cross left at the crime scene could reference, I looked up Sigg on google just for jollies, and found that there is a very popular Sigg mug and it’s logo seems to be 3 bars of keys I think. Probably no connection, but who knows with this kook. (not me, the other kook, ARS)
Hey, Joan T. Not to worry about leaving a bunch of comments. It shows you’re engaged. Shorter posts are a lot easier to read, too!
Just my opinion but the 19yo on her way to work in Denver has a completely different victimology. That’s one of the first places we start. Why that victim in that manner, in that place.
We know that Jessica was at risk as she walked to school and home each day. We know that Kara chose a lifestyle of lingerie modeling and that she claimed to be “open-minded” which put her at great risk. A commonality is an abductor with a strong need for power. More on the abductor profiles later.
Jessica was likely proud to be able to go to school by herself and walk with her buddy and friends home. So far she hadn’t had problems being outside while her mom slept, following the night shift at work. The big picture didn’t exist for that family or school or friends or neighbors who knew of the situation.
Kara had likely met her share of jerks, but she didn’t know (or believe) that men actually did want to kill her. Or if she knew and believed, she discounted that risk to gain attention and money. Being raised in a skin-deep culture of sexuality (which, in my opinion, is frighteningly pervasive in the US) she tried to go for the pin-up look, even though she was not a very attractive girl. Adding hair-dyes, piercings, gangsta garments, goth makeup, was a way for her to distinguish herself as a hard, tough woman.
I wish Kara could have gotten the message that she was okay just the way she was, even if she wasn’t cut out to be a model. If she had found a passionate pursuit, something she loved, obtained schooling, and developed a support network, well, well then we would have a different situation.
So sad. My thoughts and prayers are with the families of both of these girls.
OT again. Deputies to update the Kara Nichols case on Tuesday, acc. Fox 31 in Denver.
http://kdvr.com/2012/11/19/deputies-to-update-case-of-missing-model-kara-nichols/
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Casey Anthony: WKMG uncovers ‘evidence that points right at Casey’
Caylee and Casey Anthony, Jose Baez, WKMG — posted by halboedeker on November, 19 2012 5:00 PM
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All I have to say is that they better be able to prove it was not known, I will leave it at that.
B
Jose Baez and Casey Anthony in July 2011. Photo credit: Joe Burbank/Orlando Sentinel
WKMG-Channel 6 will offer what it is billing as a major story in the Casey Anthony saga.
The report, from Tony Pipitone, won’t air until 11 p.m. Tuesday. But WKMG will start promoting the report at 11 p.m. Monday.
“This is one of the biggest Tony Pipitone investigations we’ve had,” WKMG news director Steve Hyvonen said. “Tony uncovers evidence that could have changed the jury’s mind — evidence that points right at Casey. But it was never presented in court because the prosecution didn’t know about it. Tony is still working on putting the story together, and it will air Tuesday night at 11.”
Anthony was acquitted in July 2011 of murder in the 2008 death of her daughter, Caylee. Anthony is being sued for defamation by Zenaida Gonzalez.
A promotional spot for the report shows a shaken Jose Baez, who represented Anthony, saying, “I don’t understand how no one ever knew about this evidence.”
Could she be arrested if they find binding evidence? could this be a dream come true? or just a waste of my typing energy?
Nancy S- Casey Anthony was tried and was found not guilty of the murder of her daughter- It does not matter if she herself came out and provided the proof of her guilt- Double Jeopardy rules apply.
Sadly I do not think there could ever be a civil suit either, such as The Goldmans suit against OJ where he was found guilty in civil court.
There is no one to speak for little Caylee.
Her father is either dead or unknown I am not sure if Cindy and George as her grandparents could stand in for the family…. but even if they could they would not- as they have proven over and over -where their loyalty lies and it is NOT with Caylee and NOT with finding the truth.
Is there some other crime for which Casey could be tried if this evidence is the “knock out” blow Baez claims it to be? IDK-
http://www.clickorlando.com/Local-6-uncovers-evidence-in-Casey-Anthony-case/-/1637238/17484426/-/11oor15/-/index.html?showAds=0
But seeing how this evidence is coming from him – I dont trust it-
He has to have his own reasons for coming forward now and talking to Pip—
Is this man still not worried about attorney client privilege etc?
Blink wrote:
“All I have to say is that they better be able to prove it was not known, I will leave it at that.”
B
Proof Blink? by the prosecution or by Baez?
Indeed what is he implying? Was he aware of it & not the prosecution or what?
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“Tony uncovers never before released evidence from Jose Baez”
JB says “I dont understand how no one ever knew about this evidence”
We are Investigating “Why it never came out in the trial”
So which is it? no one ever knew about this evidence or it just didnt come out at trial?
There is a huge difference – as we all know alot of evidence did not come out at trial and most of it was because it was deemed too prejudicial- in the simplest of terms it showed KCs true self -if the jury had heard or seen all of it -then it would make it nearly impossible for them to see Casey Anthony as the loving innocent mother she and her defense portrayed her to be-
Would any of it have been enough for that jury to find Casey guilty of murder- probably not for they wanted a video tape of her and her alone taking Caylees life and putting her in that trunk and throwing her in that marsh-
If I remember correctly alot of evidence never made it to trial some of it was sealed-
What became of that evidence- is Baez ok to “release” it now?
Does he have a new book coming out- I know he has a new case so why now?
If I were Jose Baez I would be concerned if any of this “new” evidence goes to prove that he stood up during opening statments and told a known lie- and pointed the finger of guilt toward Caylees grandfather- for that would be unlawful…would it not?
If Jose Baez knew there was evidence that went to DISPROVE the accidental pool drowning/molestation/ body snatching story then he should be held accountable in the worst way-
Come to think of it why is this man still allowed to practice law- he made a mockery of it at every turn- what ever became of those bar
complaints?
What ever this evidence is- it wasnt enough to make Jose Baez and his team do the right thing for justice and for Caylee and for Florida and if it proves guilt than he didnt do right by his client either for he and his team should have pushed for a plea that would ensure his client received mental health care.
and as for the rest of us we already were able to conclude guilt beyond a reasonable doubt- the jury not so much- and that is who held the decision-
So who is this evidence release for…. who benefits?
It would seem not Caylee nor the Jury nor the people of Florida–
So who ?
AJMO
Peace
This whole new evidence story brings to mind a moment in the trial which was covered by Bull stopper @ wordpress
snipped:
Does Mr. Baez even understand how discovery works? This week he argued by being given the entirety of evidence held by the state in the form of a copy of the data from the hard drive of the Anthony home computer, the state had pursued a strategy of overwhelming the defense with an abundance of evidence. In other words, Mr. Baez, the same attorney who has complained repeatedly the state withheld evidence, is now claiming the state gave him too much evidence.
Ms. Burdick pointed out in open court the hard drive contains data which can be used to disprove much of the opening statement delivered by Mr. Baez.
She left it to the court and the onlookers to surmise Mr. Baez never bothered to analyze the hard drive to discover if there was anything to disprove his opening statement.
However, we should also infer he never searched the hard drive for exculpatory evidence. Why not? Because he did not need to search for what he knew was not there to be found.
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__ just something to think about as Baez spews his muck for TP and the cameras
Is his conscience bothering him or is he now trying to get out from the stigma of being KC lawyer-is he trying to share the blame of the verdict with the prosecution and/or LE
Not enough clients coming forward that want KC’s lawyer?
Is his name brand synonymous with guilty and lying?
Hey its me JB its not my fault see- if only this evidence was brought to light- she wasnt found not guilty on subterfuge or lies it wasnt because of my lying opening statements really- it was their fault- they didnt present the evidence –
I wanted the truth too see-
I honestly thought she was telling me the truth… so I let her sit in Jail for 3 years and never went to LE with the fact that her baby daughter was dead and gone-
I let her sit in jail even though she was innocent and a victim and her father was the culprit —hey i needed media time…
so I let her go home to the same house with the DEATH pool and the molesting father- all the while the police searched for Caylee but hey it needed to happen that way… otherwise I never would have shined in court with that opening statement- and my endearing hellos and all the rest
well anyway you understand- so hire me- ill go to bat for you too- maybe youll only have to sit “innocent” in jail for a couple of months-yeah thats the ticket-
AJMO
Peace
RIP Caylee
On Kara Nichols – the article on Fox 31 Denver refers to her being on modelmayhem.com. Isn’t that the site that Robyn Gardner and other missing girls have been linked to?
http://www.examiner.com/article/model-mayhem-and-a-missing-woman
@jack
Young women will look for ways to get themselves noticed by the entertainment industry.
This web site is probably an attraction for all kinds of perverts who claim to be a photographer in an effort to find young gulible women to take advantage of them. Another version of Graigs list.
It is good that LE is taking a hard look at the site and doing some investigation. Freedom requires that all are diligent in determining the safety of a web site prior to including personal information.
Yay! He’s being tried as an adult.
As he should, thanks Joan.
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Hello All,
I am new to this case, so please forgive me if this was discussed before. Was AS involved in pornography? It sounds like it from the posts I have read/skimmed. Thanks.
Welcome from other cases here, LaurieO.
Yes, as I wrote, Austin was treated for a porno addiction to the extent he had to be removed from school as a minor.
B
Thought you all might like to know:
Jessica Ridgeway Memorial Park: Park Where Colorado Girl Was Headed The Morning She Disappeared To Be Renamed In Her Honor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/30/park-where-jessica-ridgew_n_2218945.html
From Westword, on true crime report today. Especially interesting is the comment by “mmjfreedomusa”at the bottom.
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/11/austin_sigg_jessica_ridgeway_murder_mug_shot_adult_jail.php
There appear to be two factors to make AS an adult criminal. He is only a few months shy of being 18 and he previously assaulted and tried to kidnap a 22 year old woman in the park.
This goes to my desire to see that teens at age fifteen be treated as adults. Many teens are large enough and strong enough to hurt a woman at age 13. A crazy one would not hesitate to attack an adult. At thirteen I was 6 ft. and could easily lift fifty pounds more than my body weight.