Morgan Harrington Case: Plea to Possible Witness From VSP
Charlottesville, VA– Early this morning, a flurry of activity surrounded what unfortunately amounted to a misquote on behalf of an article appearing in the Cavalier Daily:
Though investigators have confirmed that Harrington was last seen hitchhiking at 9:30 that night, they do not have sufficient evidence to prove or disprove that she fell victim to foul play, Geller said. In addition, police were able to retrieve Harrington’s purse and necklace but have not yet located a red digital camera that they believe was in her possession at the time of her disappearance.
Blink on crime has been able to confirm directly with Connie Geller, Public Relations Manager for the Virginia State Police: Morgan Harrington’s necklace has not been recovered, nor has Ms. Geller ever made such a statement regarding same.
However, there is recent developments that seem to infer that Ms. Harrington’s credit or debit card may have been used following her disappearance from the John Paul Jones Arena the evening of October 17, 2009.
“We’d hate to have anyone who just picked her up and dropped her at a gas station [to be reluctant to talk to us] because that person holds a very vital key to finding more information,” Geller said. “Investigators are willing to work with that person because right now the focus is on finding Morgan and bringing her back to her family.”
Even persons who have not seen Harrington since her disappearance can still be of assistance to the investigation, Geller said. For example, if anyone has noticed someone else acting strangely since around the time of the disappearance, he or she is encouraged to report the information.
Both Ms. Geller and Dr. Harrington have declined to answer the question as to whether or not Morgan’s card was used citing “investigative purposes.”
The last verified comments regarding a possible Morgan sighting and a gas station center around an account of a woman claiming to have seen her outside at a Sheetz station in Orange, VA the following morning of October 18th. Ms. Geller stated the VSP could not “disprove” this sighting, although their is no surveillance footage on the store security camera.
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Yoshi, maybe there were unsuccessful attempts to withdraw cash via the ATM card, or maybe they were successful and someone withdrew cash or made purchases. Was her account overdrawn at the beginning of the night of October 17th, or later?
I assume that there is an ATM at the Sheetz?
Thank you Fish. That was nice.
When I think of the credit card being used..perhaps. I think back to the poster on Blink that said she was posting some rumors and some things she heard when she was in Charlottesville. In her post she said the cab driver told her that there was a video tape of Morgan at the 7/11 just over the bridge. She said it was just talk she was sharing with us.
I have thought about that quite a bit. If Morgan met up with the bb players in the lot and then started walking and was picked up on the bridge and things were good at that point. Could they have stopped at the 7/11 just over the bridge for cigarettes and drinks?
After that things might have gone South real quick.
I saw the original comment by Maggie Voth, but I can’t find it now.
Here is from facebook
Post #2Charles wroteon December 5, 2009 at 6:14pm
I have been looking for evidence of WHO reported the hitchhiking since this info came out so LATE in the case. I assume that Maggie is one of the people that reported seeing her hitchhilking near the bridge since she posted the following comment.
Maggie Voth (UVA) wrote
at 2:16pm on October 19th, 2009
I saw her at 930 too, she was on the bridge on alderman trying to hitchhike and was alone.
Does anyone know Maggie? Is she a friend of Morgan? It looks like she goes to UVA and this comment was posted so EARLY on October19 just ONE day after Morgan went missing. I find it odd that these accounts of her hitchhiking came out so LATE in this case. Is this a way to divert attention in this case because time is being bought that could lead to a confession? I find the hitchhiking story hard to believe. Not that Maggie and others did not see a blonde headed girl that was hitchhiking. I just think there may be a reason that LE waited to release this info. Could it be that they did not believe the hitchhiker was Morgan like myself and others think and could releasing this info about the hitchhiker LATE in the case be a way to divert attention waiting on a confession? Something to think about. Who is Maggie and why is she only posting about the hitchhiking event? Wouldn’t you think she would be following this case now and posting here on occassion since she believes she was one of the last witnesses to see Morgan? Charles
Re: #36: Comment by belika — January 25, 2010 @ 5:15 pm
About the possibility at finding Morgan in the Portsmouth area. As the guy that posted that on facebook, is obviously some Roanoke cop… regarding the groups he belongs to on facebook… like Roanoke FireEMS Department, •Virginia State Police •The Roanoke Cop LAW ENFORCEMENT MEMORIAL PAGE, American Soldiers. Although he listed him self as Roanoke civic center parking attendant… Besides, is there some kind of special TV station, destined only for the LE?
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Something odd here. Can someone please tell me this guy’s name? Is this the guy who posted about the Portsmouth sighting that someone else told him about? Or the guy who heard the info firsthand and then told his friend? Something hinky this way comes….
IMO the BB player/s have not much to do with Morgans disappearance. The reason Dr. Harrington said they always have been a concern for him is that they were involved in the story before her disappearance, but I guess at first were trying to deny everything, or to hide something because of the possibility to loose their reputations/scholarships.
After – I IMO they said everything they knew, having met Morgan at the parking lot, perhaps even taking her/going with her to party somewhere, at a secret place, and after… why not having left her all alone at the gas station… Where she could have met a BG total stranger.
I never really believed the story of Morgan HH at the bridge…
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I am so sorry — there’s a guy who posts here and I thought that was you, Bob-Dog — so now there’s a gentleman on board that I’m probably calling a girl
Hi, everyone. I can’t help but think that Dr. H is maybe saying the again-in-November incident is related to them thinking that the perp was in on the grounds search by the LRC. That was in November, no?
Gifter3 — thank you so much for your gracious post. It was very heartfelt and very kind. (I admit that I laughed at that word too, but then felt very badly that I had so poorly expressed myself.)
I think that the mention of the gas station is purposeful. I very much acknowledge that there appear to have been a lot of blonde girls wearing band T-shirts at the concert, but the report about Sheetz always had a ring of truth for me, mostly because the woman reporting it was not claiming to remember Morgan, she was claiming to remember a minor detail that resonated in her own life. I think that people tend to remember things that way. That doesn’t establish that it was Morgan of course, but it does give credence to the truthfulness of the witness reporting it.
I actually feel somewhat hopeful at the recent developments. I am hoping that the credit card was used; that it was used at the Sheetz; and that it was used by Morgan. I know that I am the one who clammors for supporting “facts” and it still doesn’t help us with the question of where is she now. But it would be more supportive of the notion that this was, at some level, “voluntary”. And hopefully that she is still alive. My view of this for the past three months has been much, much grimmer. I know I am taking some leaps here but for tonight, at least, I want to believe it.
As to the recent comments from Gil — it is very clear that she is unhappy with what she perceives to be a lack of urgency from authorities in Charlotteville. Perhaps because of Morgan’s age, it took some time before the police considered this to be a missing persons case/crime. If it were me, I would be pretty mad about that alone, even though I am aware that college kids being unaccounted for for a short time is not all that out of the ordinary.
I have a question — on another forum, I read comments from Dr. Harrington that the police wanted to shift jurisdiction of this matter to Blacksburg (where Virginia Tech is). The Harringtons balked at that suggestion and so it remained in Charlottesville. My question is, why would the police suggest sending it to Blacksburg — that doesn’t strike me as the “situs” of the situation.
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Dustin Dodge a friend of mine just stated to me that he saw this morning on TV that the police have “very credible information” to prove that Morgan Harrington(the missing VT student from the Metallica concert)is in or within the immediate area of Portsmouth(VA)
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Okay — I decided to go back to the beginning — Blink, your 2nd comment when this case first broke was: >>Note the boundaries where she was found, proximity to her home and concert, and scattered evidence.
If this is Morgan, This guy is LE, or has vast knowledge of same. She knew him. He was her target, I have more. <<<
Do you still hold this opinion ? Not challenging, just asking ….
I am not sure how to answer that at the moment, please allow me to think on it.
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SIMPLE ASSAULT – JPJ 200901376/33
Reported simple assault
RP T: 0018 10-18-09 OCC: 2143 10-18-09 can it be found out what this simple assault was as it occurred at9:43pm on the 17 th not 18th error by reportee.
Regarding wheelchair guy, way in the beginning, wasn’t LE asking if anyone in the area had anyone asking if they could borrow a cell phone that night? We all assumed it could be Morgan because of the battery…what if wheelchair guy was there again. That was his MO that got him barred from campus on the 15th.
did DG participate in the november search? He was at UVA in October obviously.
Is it normal for average citizen (read Karen55 post #6)to be treated so rudely by LE? This lead always seemed plausible to me and now I am glad it’s being revisited…I think the LE guy who talked to Karen needs to be reprimanded, big time!
are there any pics of Morgan without makeup? She probably looks quite different without all the heavy eye stuff.
well,,,, since it’s you …: )
I am not sure how to answer that at the moment, please allow me to think on it.
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But read it, and remember the throw away phone that Kenny and his team located??
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This is the first I heard of this. I gather Kenny (who is active on the HFMDH Facebook page and may be a moderator at findmorgan.com) and his “team” were one of the search parties who have looked for Morgan, although I haven’t found any information indicating when this particular search took place or where the phone was found.
Granted, it may not have anything to do with Morgan as pre-paid phones are designed to be discarded and probably are left in various locations when they no longer can be used, but wasn’t there a mysterious phone number connected to the published time line…one that couldn’t be traced…one that may have been from a pre-paid phone (or pre-paid card)?
I’ll do some digging and see if I can find any additional information related to this find.
yoshi – re:
“Would a student journalist intentionally print a misquote to get LE to talk? I mean no disrespect to the student who reported on this or to any professional in this field, but it did cross my mind. Look at how much information that one misquote gleaned.”
yosh, I think that’s giving the writer a little too much credit. To me, it reads as an error (and a regrettable one, as everyone immediately all over it, and Geller was probably on the phone all morning becasue of it). Whether he was thinking “necklace” and it ended up on the page, or he was genuinely confused on the matter and indeed believed it was found, now that I do not know.
For the journo to purposely insert a factual error to draw out additional info just… would not happen. In media, your access is often only as strong as your accuracy – and I bet that’s the last time The Cavlier Daily gets a “scoop” or personal update from Geller.
Gifter3, thanks for bringing Dan H’s new comment over:
“… Rarely is this type of crime a one time event. That is why I belive the Central Virginia area cannot be complacent. This was one of my statements to Senators Webb, Warner, (etc.)”
Okay, so this certainly gives us a good grasp of what DH thinks happened: “this type of crime” + “Central Virginia area” = His belief that a sexual predator is on the loose pouncing on random lone women throughout several central Va. cities. I don’t know if he’s right, but I know what he’s thinking now.
skylah – re: Obstinance, asked -
“But who are the witnesses — are they the BB players? Anyone else other than the named Ms. Volt, who says she saw her HH’g at Alderman and Ivy … seriously, have any of those ‘reliable/credible’ witnesses who saw her HH’g been identified?”
First, being “obstinate” is actually a positive attribute, and I like that about you. In regard to your question: N-to-the-O – the BB players are NOT the “independent witnesses” who saw her on the bridge HH’ing (or, if they are, they’re certainly not the ones being referred to by LE, imo).
alexandra – I’m going to address this next part to you as well (regarding your comment about Maggie Voth being the only witness to place MH on the bridge HH’ing).
I may be stating the obvious, but! Here goes:
Just because the bulk of witnesses have not publically identified themselves and shared their stories with us does *not mean* they do not exist. They do, most assuredly, exist, and there are dozens of them whom have been vetted and used anonymously by LE in creating MH’s timeline and last known location/activity – they have simply chosen to keep their accounts to LE regarding what they saw or heard that night private.
In fact, you may have noticed that the only *possible witnesses* actually sharing their accounts publicly are usually the ones who feel rebuffed by LE and want to make sure people know what they saw. That tells ya something, imo.
mcew, it may have been an investigative tactic to help discern if Karen was being truthful. It is common practice for attorneys to intentionally alienate someone on cross exam to illicit an uninhibited response. This practice, among others, is also used by detectives.
I would be most curious to know what precipitated her meeting with detectives, aside from the obvious filing of a reported sighting.
Comment by mcew — January 25, 2010 @ 7:47 pm
Is it normal for average citizen (read Karen55 post #6)to be treated so rudely by LE?
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There are many police officers who are thorough, kind, patient and oh so very good at their job. There are others that lack people skills but would stop a bullet for you. And truthfully, there are some police officers who should really find another line of work. Just like every other profession in the world.
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The Virginia Tech Police Department is currently investigating two incidents that occurred on Monday, January 25, 2010.
The first incident occurred between 2:00 and 2:30 pm when a man approached two female students near the bowling alley in the Squires Student Center. The suspect began speaking with the students. During the discussion with the women, the man acted odd and disoriented. The women became uncomfortable and decided to leave the area. The suspect followed the women for a short distance out of the Squires Student Center, and he then walked in the direction of Kent Street.
The second incident occurred at approximately 2:45 pm, when a man approached and entered an occupied vehicle in the parking lot outside the university bookstore. After the man got into the back driver’s-side seat of the vehicle, he questioned the occupants of the vehicle about where they were going and requested a ride to where they were headed. The persons in the car declined and the man exited the vehicle. He then walked toward the Hokie Grille, in the area of the Squires Student Center and the Newman Library.
In both cases, the suspect is described as a white male, 5 foot, 9 inches to 5 foot 11 inches tall, wearing a brown jacket, blue jeans and carrying a black backpack. The suspect has short dark brown hair and may have scratches or scars on his face. He may have referenced the name *Daniel* during the interactions described above.
Virginia Tech Police are requesting assistance from any persons who may have witnessed the incidents or have further information.
If you have information, please contact the Virginia Tech Police Department at 231-6411.
remember when that radio station offered 25,00 to the anthony’s to come answer questions,how bout we start a pool to offer to jt to answer some questions,like what did morgan say ,verbatim.that would make em get a lawyer,fast.
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Reply to U2 gator: I’m glad you noticed that because I apparantly was mispronouncing it. The word I saw on the black shirt was PANTERA, when I saw the letters , I thought it was going to spell PANTECH for the cell phone my daughter wanted. I remember doing a double take to see the rest of the letters and when it spelled PANTERA and not pantech , I walked on to my car and not thinking anymore about it until I was on my computer and was reading about a girl missing and the more I read, the on a black mini shirt, black knee high boots , but remember she was in all black except for the lettering on her shirt. The letters were a block style and were tan/beige in color. There were no pictures on the shirt. I recall her just standing by the trashcan just outside the door at Sheetz’s-perhaps waiting for someone? But I didn’t see her talking to anyone when I looked back to read her shirt. She did fit the height and weight of Morgan. She had longer that shoulder length blonde hair. She was a medium height, not short and not tall. Average I would say. She did not show any facial expression to indicate she needed help. I am a nurse and I would definately noticed that. I go to Sheetz’s all the time. All the clerks know me as I go in there all the time to get the daily paper, coffee or pepsi. So I really can’t understand why they don’t see me in the video. I really hope they go back over it. Everytime I go in there now, I look for her. I just keep praying she is OK and she is found soon and is reunited with her family.
1) 238 7020 Seminole Trail Ruckersville VA 22968
2) 285 322 North Madison Road Orange VA 22960
3) 303 2902 South Seminole Trail Madison VA 22727
Is it number 2 on the list for the sighting? Orange, is not that far from what I call the back way to Harrisonburg. Maybe someone in this area has seen something else out of the norm????
Although, they would have to be familiar with the area as it gets very dark and if you do not know your way, you can get very lost. My family and I made sure that we were done with sightseeing way before evening. I was outta my mind that I had to drive back over the mountain way. A Jersey girl, at heart. Had to put on a brave front for the family. White-knuckled it, the whole way home!
Comment by alexandra — January 25, 2010 @ 6:46 pm
alexandra: this is concerning Ms. Voth. If she saw Morgan HH on bridge then she is the last one to see Morgan. Other than the BG, that is.
Once again, should not be putting this out there but I believe that if Voth was on Alderman, herself, maybe she was heading back to Cauthen House. Or does this building look down on the bridge.
*Localcvillegirl, care to help give us a visual?
This house location was posted on Facebook and open to public. Gave room numbers and all! Unbelieveable! Someone please stop the hemmorraging of information available on Facebook, of these young kids!!
Maybe that is all Voth saw. A blonde-headed girl hitch hiking. Surely, she would have given more information like if she knew Morgan or was at least fimiliar with her. Though, I doubt it unless Voth knows Morgan’s brother. It too strikes me odd because she posted so early the next day and here none of the rest of us knew about the HH. All said, I still cannot believe that Morgan would hitch hike. No way! Don’t know why I cannot believe it but I don’t!!
And, for the love of God, please Ms. Voth and anyone else for that matter take down your personal information. Such as WHERE YOU LIVE!! You really think that you should be posting your room numbers?? But what do I know I am just a middle-age mom of two and by no means, a bad guy but please, I implore you, stop posting like only good guys can see it!!!!!! If I can find all sorts of info than can you imagine what somebody can find if they really wanted too? You are making it very easy for them!
BTW, if someone knows Maggie could they please ask her if she saw anyone else on that bridge or road before she saw Morgan or how about after? Maybe something might jog her memory.
Thanks and just askin’. Please, by no means, should we be jumpin’ on this bandwagon. This girl just might have mistaken Morgan for someone else.
Fish- please refresh my memory, where is location in Ruckersville from?
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J2K posted this;
“I may be stating the obvious, but! Here goes:
Just because the bulk of witnesses have not publically identified themselves and shared their stories with us does *not mean* they do not exist. They do, most assuredly, exist, and there are dozens of them whom have been vetted and used anonymously by LE in creating MH’s timeline and last known location/activity – they have simply chosen to keep their accounts to LE regarding what they saw or heard that night private.
In fact, you may have noticed that the only *possible witnesses* actually sharing their accounts publicly are usually the ones who feel rebuffed by LE and want to make sure people know what they saw. That tells ya something, imo.”
Very good post. I have thought about this quite a bit. Those with real information for LE have been processed and I am sure they are mostly not blogging.
I do think a lot of the friends are blogging and would like to “tell their story” but hesitate to. I have wondered about that quite a bit. Are they afraid? Is there some evil lurking that we have no idea? Does the POI have people that can “hurt them”?
BTW, Skyler, not for nothing but I am braving it again tonight on LOG videos. I am either convinced or really stupid to think that I am going to find any of these kids at this concert!
Send me a Coke and Excedrin!!!!
To be perfectly honest I smell desparation in the air. Time marches on and nothing. No arrests, no information. Same old back and forth.
I think after reading Gils post today on FindMorgan.com that she might just think LE “has a lot of splaining to do”.
@71 Swiss Miss, I am getting a different description of the suspect. Wait, and this particular report is from a similar-sounding incident that took place last Monday on the Va Tech campus. WTH?
http://www.wdbj7.com/global/story.asp?s=11844698
Weird. Why wouldn’t the week-ago, very similar incident be mentioned in the report Kenny posts?
Im wondering if Morgan bought something at the Sheetz – thats how they know her cc was used again the next morning and why they are being so ambiguous about a sighting the next morning and also whether her cc was used after she disappeared.
Im a little behind on this board, but I really do believe we should do a FB friends audit from the the first few days, when a friend dropped off. It would be interesting to know who that was, either way.
Im just really confused about the absence of a body.
I am getting the impression that the Harrington family may have only slightly better information, if that, than what’s publicly available from the VSP.
(This infuriates me as a father of daughters around UVa, who can’t even imagine what Morgan’s folks are going through.)
My cheese is still on: police doesn’t have any sort of lead whatsoever.
Fletch, thanks for your understanding, and accepting my apollies.
“That said, I would be willing to bet cash the attempted or use was in Charlottesville.
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And maybe even again in November?
# Comment by acho — January 25, 2010 @ 9:35 pm
@71 Swiss Miss, I am getting a different description of the suspect. Wait, and this particular report is from a similar-sounding incident that took place last Monday on the Va Tech campus. WTH?
http://www.wdbj7.com/global/story.asp?s=11844698
Weird. Why wouldn’t the week-ago, very similar incident be mentioned in the report Kenny posts?
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Wow acho, thanks for the link to this story. Definitely sounds like similar MOs. It is odd VT police didn’t include this incident in today’s release…
Blink – FYI the post on here by ‘M’ which made some unfortunate comments about the Harringtons hase been reported to LE by Dr Harrington.
It was not made here. It was brought here for discussion for exactly that reason. In fact, our regular poster “M” noted it was not her. Just a reminder LE monitors this site, and if you check the post this morning, I was in touch with them twice today.
Just clarifying, I do not ever want the Harrington’s to think I would let someone just post that garb.
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March 20, 2009:
The Charlottesville Police Department responded to a robbery incident that occurred between 1:00 p.m. and 1:30 p.m. on Friday March 20, 2009. The victim, a University of Virginia student, reported being robbed by two suspects after he invited them into his apartment on Madison Lane.
Charlottesville Police arrested one of the suspects a few hours after the incident. The second suspect is described as a white male between twenty five and thirty years of age. He is approximately five foot nine inches tall and weighs approximately one hundred and ninety pounds.
Anyone having information related to this incident should call the Charlottesville Police at 434-970-3280 or Crime Stoppers at 434-977-4000.
……………………. here’s another one that matches description of current incident happened march 20,one of the was arrested.
when maggie voth says “i saw her hitch hiking too,or also ,on october 19 th who is she referencing to be “in addition” too?does anyone know?
Was it just rumor I read that dogs had tracked Morgan’s scent around the back of Wild Wing cafe? Could she have bought an Amtrak ticket Sunday morning for travel to Orange, which would explain her waiting alone beside the trashcan? phew – I’m afraid I must be mixing up bits and pieces of rumor unsupported by fact and compounding it with speculation. Or is it that the dogs alerted only on the bridge, but is that confirmed? I think earlier Blink said unconfirmed, please correct me if I’m wrong. If she was in Orange at Sheetz, was she waiting for a ride to JMU to pick up her car? Karen55′s account certainly seems honest, but once again, a blonde wearing a Pantera shirt with black skirt and boots could have been another lookalike.
If the Orange Va. sighting is correct, that means Morgan did not perish through the night on drug or alcohol poisoining. She was alive the next morning. O how I hope she is alive!
so ,if the limo driver is correct(seeing morgan walk by w/the bb players at u hall,didnt he say they were towards uhall,but didnt see them enter bldg) morgan met up with the bb players as she passed uhall as they were leaving practice to their cars in the rv lot,so she :1.is going to rv lot herself so walks along?(why is she going to rv lot?)2.walks into the lot with them to finish conversation?as she has not decided what to do yet?3.follows them into lot to ask for ride? is there any tailgating going on in rv lot?what was she doing when they left?leaned up against a car texting?talking to someone?exiting the lot herself?
Karen 55 reported seeing Morgan or lookalike at the Sheetz on No. Madison (Rte 15) in Orange. I remember this convo very clearly.
Hi Lovely. Just a quick thing to add… Doing a Facebook friend audit may not be completely reliable. The FB privacy settings allow users to completely hide themselves from the public or anyone who is not already their “friend.” For instance, I have friends who have tight privacy settings. No one would know that I am friends with them unless they were also friends with them. Essentially, no one can ask them to be friends (i.e. friend request them) because they can’t even find them. I hope I made sense…
Fish – Even if they were going the “back” way to Harrisonburg, there is no reason they should have ended up in Orange. To go this back way from the JPJ, you would head north on 29 and turn LEFT (west) onto 33 at Ruckersville. To get to Orange, you would go up 29 north, then turn RIGHT (east) onto 33 at Ruckersville and then go north on 15 to get to Orange. That would add about 40 miles round trip to their trip. There is a Sheetz right along 29 in Ruckersville, before the 33 intersection, so they wouldn’t need to go 40 miles out of their way to get to a Sheetz.
Going the back way doesn’t make sense to me either (but then, what does make sense in this case?), because it is shorter to get to JMU from UVA by taking 64 to 81, and then JMU is right off of 81. The only reasons I can thing of for them to be in Orange is if they knew someone in that area or if they were trying to get to 95 to go north.
J2K, thanks for having my “obstinate” back —
And I believe I may be seeing what you’re saying about the “unnamed” witnesses –
Perhaps I’ll go stand upon a tree stump in my front yard and “be the crane”…
As a side note — if anyone has any questions about the Metallica concert, my child is here — celebrating his *19th* birthday —
I cannot believe my mamma let me have that child when I was only 12 !! : )
People have wondered about what Dr. Harrington meant by mentioning another incident that happened around the same time.
I do recall a post made by Dr. Harrington or Gil that there was an incident that happened withing 2 weeks of Morgan’s disappearance that happened within a 2 hour distance ( ? ) from where Morgan disappeared from.
SO 2 females within 2 weeks of each other ? ??
I have also wondered personally about any GANGS in the area , gangs have initiation rites , and gangs are also related to drugs , both selling & consumption of drugs.
Usually if you have crimes , they are related to drugs or gangs these days.
>>>Comment by fish — January 25, 2010 @ 9:16 pm
BTW, Skyler, not for nothing but I am braving it again tonight on LOG videos. I am either convinced or really stupid to think that I am going to find any of these kids at this concert!
Send me a Coke and Excedrin!!!! <<<
And ear plugs !!!! You are braver than I — I just do not know if I can watch that guy swing his sweaty dirty greasy hair on the crowd then take a sip of water and spit one more time — ick !!!
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Blink, I feel awful.
In regards to “M”post, I want to make sure you know that I did not bring that post over from a different site. I found it on BOC. I do not know where it came from originally.
I am not sure what happened. I am a little shaken at the thought of what has transpired. I felt okay with bringing the post over because you have always assured us you never post anything that could potentially be evidence without LE being aware first. If I had known the seriousness of the post I would have alerted you to it privately.
I hope I did not hinder LE’s investigation into Morgan’s disappearance. That thought sickens me to my core.
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It was brought over without a source, don’t know from where, but I am confident both Dr. Harrington and Le are well aware of our support of them, and you are correct. There are some posts that were similar that were posted to me privately that were passed on to LE prior to that one appearing. Dr. Harrington knows he is welcome to verify that with VSP.
Sometimes it is good to let people trying to be heard, be heard, so their words can be seen, if that makes sense.
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Re: BB players — Observer posted that she could state unequivocally that the BB players are not involved …
We say we trust Observer. I certainly do. So I have marked them off my list.
But someone(s) posted upthread — I think 2 different posts — interesting comments — in addition to me finally getting what J2K has been attempting to spell out all along – LE has witnesses who aren’t sharing w/ the public –
But someone posted that since she was seen on both sides of Copeley Road — perhaps she was heading BACK toward the arena –
Another post was why the timeline of between 9:20 and 9:30 ???
I believe it was Observer who actually got out of her car and walked across the bridge — it wasn’t a long walk —
*maybe* — cause that’s all we’ve got — she was headed toward Ivy Rd, then changed her mind because it’s cold, she’s pissed, whatever and turned around deciding to make her way back to the arena to wait it out and that is where she met her doom ??
** that is not my original thought — I read it here, but can’t remember whom to give the credit to —
So if BB players tell LE, listen it was 9:15 when we parted company ’cause I had to get home by a certain time — if it’s a 5-min. walk from where BB players parted company w/ Morgan — then she walks down to Ivy, changes her mind, heads back to arena — Maggie doesn’t say which side of the road she was on, just that she saw her HH’g on the bridge —
that would explain that 10-minute interval which is unaccounted for —
That’s only a guess —
someone upthread also said they thought the Harringtons don’t really know too much more than we do, and I think that’s true —
I would hope, if nothing else, that the BB players who did interact w/ Morgan, at some point will sit down w/ the Harringtons and tell them their conversation w/ Morgan — even if it’s a difficult one to tell a parent —
I’d want to know what my child’s last words were, how she was physically, did she seem injured, disoriented …
Even though we’re concerned about the sexual assaults on 10-17 and in Nov., apparently LE is not — it’s more than likely they have the evidence and perhaps the victim named their attacker — we just don’t know.
I will admit at first I was not real impressed w/ LE’s response to Morgan missing — but there’s a lot they’re not telling us, as it should be — and I do believe they are working as best they can to find Morgan —
We also have to realize, VSP do not have the resources, both manpower and money, to devote agents only to finding Morgan —
If your child was injured or missing in this area, would you accept: well, we only have six agents, and two are working on Morgan Harrington — sorry, take a number ?
Just some thoughts — going to bed — I have to work tomorrow : )
Peace and love to you all —
“g’nite, John-Boy”
Still here every day, don’t post often but am with all of you in our sleuthing.
Morgan was meeting her Dad the day after the concert to discuss her overdrawn account. If this was one of my daughters, they would have put their “for emergency only” credit cards in their pocket in order to purchase food, drink or T-shirts. Wasn’t there a witness that saw Morgan at the T-shirt stand earlier in the evening? A cell phone and Dad’s credit card is all that is needed at a concert (oh, and a camera).
A debit card needs a pin #, not a cc. If she was overdrawn, it would be the cc she was using.
Anyone remember the post where DW was working security for a basketball game in November? Hasn’t he recently left the area? He claims to have spoken to MH that night and said such on FB, but has he told this to LE or anyone else for that matter? Is it not unusual behavior to mention to Sarah wannabe Irish that “he wished he had done more”, but then virtually disappears from any further FB convo’s? He knows the BB players, spoke to Morgan and has stayed below the radar. He does not use his real name either, why is that?
Am I the only one that thinks he deserves a second look?
Dan’s comment said that the perp was in Charlottesville Oct 17th and in November. Gil’s recent post said the perp was in Charlottesville Oct 17 and was STILL there in November, indicating he never left.
1)How do they know this?
2)They would not say this specifically if they did not have information regarding it.
3)If they know this then there MUST be a specific POI right?
4)What changed in November that this person was no longer there in December? Arrest? Disappeared? Died? Kicked out of school?
The Harrington’s have always maintained an abduction occurred w/ possibly rape and or murder. Now the tone has been definitely leaning more towards her being abducted but still alive. In two recent posts Gil speaks directly to Morgan about coming home as if she has the choice or could find a way to escape.
I feel like the Harrington’s know something and are really dying to scream it to the rafters but cannot so they are subtly letting people know what is going on.
I think this thing is getting close to the end. Something is happening, things are changing.
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