Kyron Horman Missing: Terri Horman Retains HEAVY HITTER HOUZE
Portland, OR– Early this evening, Stephen Houze, prominent Portland criminal defense attorney leveled the playing field.
He is representing Terri Horman, step-mom of missing child Kyron Horman.
The announcement comes on the heels of the filing of divorce by her estranged husband Kaine, and inside sources that state her arrest is imminent.
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Kyron Horman — LE pressr at 2PM, PST (5PM EST), Release of RO Hearing at 2:30PM PST (5:30PM EST)
Titch brings up an important point. Most people who are missing a loved one are terrified to even leave their house for the very reason that they want to be home if the loved one calls or comes home. It is interesting that Kaine left and took the child with him. I guess this could mean many things, but it does seem to suggest that he doesn’t think Kyron will try to call or try to return.
RE: DAWN, Yes, True….The 2pm press conference is about the news media trying to get the restraining order opened for “the public’s best interest.” Of course, we all know it is for the media’s best interest – ratings. Very sad.
Blink,
I saw what @Dawn saw on Twitter
I think there is some confusion about who is holding the Pressconf.
Is it LE or is the hearing to unseal?
B
Angie, I agree with all that as well, but lets say for argument sake that EVERYTHING that has been released is exactly what the ‘stalker’ wanted released.(far fetched-I know) but it’s just one of many scenarios that could be in play here. Truthfully, I can think of many different scenarios that could have happened here, but I really am just confused lol.
had a reporter post this on Kyron Hormon open discussion on facebook by a reporter from KATU
Anita Kissée -Katu KATU will be airing it live… on air and online.
@Klik47 re your new theory: well, sounds good, but I’d think that LE might have uncovered this by now, and while Kaine might be a geeky control freak, it still seems a little far-fetched that he could fool LE so well. I don’t really see Kaine as a control freak per se, but I see this as his coping style. My coping style during absolute stress is to Plan. No matter how crazy the plan, no matter how my friends roll their eyes, I have to have a Plan. And then my alternate Plan is Plan B, even if I don’t know what Plan B is yet. It’s what I do. Maybe Kaine just goes into engineer control mode. But who knows. Also, as far TH being shy & timid, I don’t think that would be a typical three times married oiled body builder profile, but that’s just me. Even the red mustang with personalized license plates, that’s someone who likes flash. And yes, Kaine bought it for her as a gift, but it seemed she liked it. If I got that as a gift, I’d be like “Thank you, honey, I love you, but you must’ve gotten this for your hot bod redhead girlfriend and accidentally given it to me, because no way I’m driving around in a red car with personalized plates.”
Titch says:
July 2, 2010 at 1:30 pm
@ Jackie Bauer – Thank you. It’s sad to hear the info on Joey Anderson, very sad. Also, I agree with you about the stupid poking thing. Weird. Is there a connection that you’ve found? I did a name search on court records & there were tons – just don;t know if any pertain to him, OR & WA.
PS – I lllooovvveee 24 & can’t wait for the movies to start…assuming that’s how you contrived your name.
esp after I IDd the sociopath’s new name & location. I’m afraid I’m going to have to do the Jack thing if the gov’ts involved don’t act sooner than later. A friend of mine did offer to lend me his Glock, but since my hand/eye coordination is non-existent and I can’t see 3 feet in front of my face *with* my glasses on, me and a Glock are probably a bad idea 
Nice fantasy though!
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Titch: Yes, very sad about little Joey, and Blink said that the dad would be hauled in, but in true Jackie Bauer fashion, I’m hoping for a little something worse than “hauled”
RE the TH FB page, I’ve got to do some more digging on the David Brooks and Jeff somebody connections. Common names, and I just haven’t waded thru everything.
As for 24, yep, that’s the connection. I had never watched the show and then my brother and a co-worker insisted, and now of course… well, I feel a kindred spirit with my man Jack
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JEFF D says:
July 2, 2010 at 11:06 am
…and as a parent, I too would never give up on my kids, and maybe never accept they are gone from my life forever….and maybe not even if proven to me beyond a shadow of a doubt. It is just such a horrible event to even consider.
@ Jeff D: Jeff, actually that was my response to FLGirl’s question as to whether anyone believes Kyron is still alive, and the reason I tell you that is because I want to say thank you to you. It’s nice to know that there’s someone else out there who just refuses to believe. I can only imagine that I would be absolutely frantic/desperate/insane and the ONLY thing that would keep me going is believing.
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oneilgirl75 says:
July 2, 2010 at 2:21 pm
@Jackie Bauer -
Really, 6 hours and then you report your child missing? hmmmm hinky
@oneilgirl75:
I have to admit that when I read the 6 hours, I thought of my own mother, and she’d have been out there after about 10 minutes of me late, and LE would’ve been called after 11 minutes, and if I were just late, I’d have had to fake my own kidnapping to get out of trouble.
Just had a reporter post this on Kyron hormon open discussion facebook about the press conference:
Anita Kissée -Katu KATU will be airing it live… on air and online.
I was under the impression they were going to be doing interviews every Thursday to be released on Friday (the day Kyron went missing) just a thought. Of course they may just do that during the regular news and not as a news presser
I looked at all the websites but there were not links. I may need to find a way to make a job of this. I should be dusting but I would rather help find Kyron.
( I want to help but feel helpless at the same time. Come on baby, Im praying for you!
Twinkletoes says:
July 2, 2010 at 3:58 pm
Titch brings up an important point. Most people who are missing a loved one are terrified to even leave their house for the very reason that they want to be home if the loved one calls or comes home. It is interesting that Kaine left and took the child with him. I guess this could mean many things, but it does seem to suggest that he doesn’t think Kyron will try to call or try to return.
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Normally I would agree with you guys *but* if Kaine thought Kiara was in danger, he might have left to protect her, knowing that the media and LE would be there to protect Kyron when he comes home.
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dawn says:
July 2, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Just read this:
There will be a hearing held on the restraining order Friday afternoon.
http://www.kptv.com/news/24124386/detail.html
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Thanks Dawn. While we are on the topic of other people’s comments, those listed below the above article about the email response from the family is interesting re family/KH.
Quoting The Hinky Meter from Valhall: In other news, 7 year old Kyron is still missing. If law enforcement is reading, please look in the KRUEGER POND AREA including THE NEARBY PIT and THE TUNNEL.
UPDATED Friday, July 2, 2010 — 9:45 a.m.
REEDSBURG, Wis. (AP) — The search for a missing 8-year-old Sauk County boy has ended in sadness for the searchers who spent two days looking for him.
The sheriff’s office says the body of Joseph Anderson was found Friday morning in the Baraboo River.
Sheriff’s officials say it’s too early to say whether authorities suspect foul play.
Joseph’s father had reported the boy missing Wednesday about 9 p.m. He was last seen about six hours earlier when he went outside alone to play in the Town of Reedsburg.
Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.
Titch says:
July 2, 2010 at 3:05 pm
At this point in time, I’m thinking 3 scenarios:
1) Terri did it out of spite for Kaine, lost her son & couldn’t take it anymore, maybe just flat out snapped.
2) Kaine had a tryst that went awry & they got back at him by taking Kyron.
3) Kyron & a friend used to get in trouble together, were very competetive with each other, & the friend’s mother or father disposed of Kyron.
#3 went through my head too, hence my post on the Fact or Fiction thread with the following two pieces of evidence:
1. Tanner Pumala’s statement to police – “self-professed best friend”.
2. Recent pictures in Terri’s facebook of another boy at the science fair and bowling with the family – new best friend?
This is as far-fetched as any theory out there, I guess, unless there was a reason Terri was promoting a new friendship for Kyron.
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oneilgirl75 says:
July 2, 2010 at 3:27 pm
snip~
Just made me think of that whole scenario. Do we know if BP was even questioned? Are you still thinking in that direction Blink? Sense BP rents that HB (I believe that is the truth) cant they get permission from the home owner to search the home? Are police even looking at this guy?
All I can say, without an allegation to anyone, that it will not surprise me in the least if this sweet litle boy is found there.
B
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Good post! I saw the same show and wondered………
That’s exactly where I’m afarid he is.:(
Breaking news in Portland Oregon; Multnomah County Sheriff’s office is conducting the interview: making statement that Terri has an attorney and that they are still investigating to find Kyron and that they believe he is still alive.
I am sure there will be a link at any moment.
BP is being mentioned over and over again here, yet I don’t recall LE mentioning him at all. Sometimes silence speaks volumes. Several days ago I asked here if LE had looked under the houseboat. Does anyone here know the answer? I wonder if someone had an interest in one child and took another one to prove what he was capable of doing; then things didn’t “go down” quite as planned. Whatever happened, I think that Terri truly regrets it. This is a very sad situation for all those who love Kyron, and IMO no one should harshly judge his parents and step-father for yesterday’s press conference. Hindsight is 20/20, and we’ll probably all know the reasons behind their behavior sooner or later. In the meantime, we should all be praying that this child is found very soon. And those who know the truth must speak it now so that there can be some degree of peace for those who are suffering the loss of this precious little boy.
OK anybody have a link to what happened? I caught the tale end on something with a man in a tan suit, dont know if it even was about Kyron.
@Angela, I’m suspicious of the people who come out swinging on her behalf. Who would? Swinging mad? The other day I thought HopeinVA was Terri. She’s got more than one alter ego for sure.
Speaking of swinging, from what I hear if the wife does, the hubby does too. That’s all I’ll say. He knew what he liked in her. They don’t meet by mistake. No halo over hubby’s head, IMO.
Hmm that was a shock.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/sheriff_kyron_horman_search_at.html
The odd statement at the press conference about releasing all information given to media on Fridays may be because they think whoever took Kyron must have been available Friday since that is when he was taken. Maybe their reasoning is that they want to be sure he hears the press conferences and they are pretty sure that he would be home or available on Fridays but not necessarily every other day.
Since there was discussion about the father being able to come home from his company early on the Friday Kyron went missing, maybe we are looking at someone else that works at the same place as dad does.
Someone is going to need to explain to me how the family boots some members of the press, refuses to go on the record, controls what is recorded… etc..
And then my new Mancrush, Captain Staton calls a conference specifically stating the reason as “we need to keep the press talking, and covering Kyron’s case to keep leads flowing..”
We have ourselves what an old proff O mine would call…. ” A disjoint worthy of dissection”..
I did not leave that press conf feeling like Terri Horman is the focus of their investigation.
2800 leads, 60% processed, mostly good tips and no child and no arrest does not equal one suspect.
Heavy on my mind however, is where Kyron is, and why Kaine Horman is attempting to control events.
It always bothered me that his email to collegaues on Sunday said “Don’t talk to the media” and I am working on getting through to legal on that.
Why would he be concerned about that first thing? In MP cases, the no.1 focus is getting the media to cover the case.
These things do not happen in a vacum, as I suspect he is about to find out.
B
Blink,
And here I was hoping the PC would bring some breaking news! Sigh.
I am more confused than ever!
Why do you think TH has not spoken out (or through her lawyer)?
Quoted from Blink:
I did not leave that press conf feeling like Terri Horman is the focus of their investigation.
2800 leads, 60% processed, mostly good tips and no child and no arrest does not equal one suspect.
Heavy on my mind however, is where Kyron is, and why Kaine Horman is attempting to control events.
It always bothered me that his email to collegaues on Sunday said “Don’t talk to the media” and I am working on getting through to legal on that.
Why would he be concerned about that first thing? In MP cases, the no.1 focus is getting the media to cover the case.
These things do not happen in a vacum, as I suspect he is about to find out.
B
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My question (again, I am newbie) to your response here is:
Do you suspect that they “botched” the investigation from the get-go and they are now, just trying to put pressure on SM because they think she can tell them “something?”
And I agree with Kaine’s intel-memo, it’s really, really odd. What would they even say to the media and why is he so afraid of the media? I can see where the “lifestyle” choice question/theory gets tossed around here; a “lifestyle” choice that implicate Kaines image as well? What else is Kaine protecting? At first I thought it was TH, as though he didn’t want he co-workers to talk about problems they had been having, or strange behaviors she may have exhibited. But now, that doesn’t seem likely…
What else is he hiding/protecting?
Blink, am I correct that that is also how you are feeling?
There’s so many players in this and they all seem to be playing by some strange set of rules, that are, yeah, disjointed. Good word Blink.
I think this couples lifestyle choices, whatever they were, or would become, have caused what happened to Kyron and I think Kaine is desperately trying to avoid any acknowledgment of that.
At the end of the day. I don’t believe either party, of course, ever fathomed this fallout, resulting in Kyron’s disappearance. However, if anyone is withholding information to protect their own asses at the expense of this baby being out there I am going to open a can. It is time for everyone to come clean.
Bring Kyron Home.
B
TR poster Bless you for caring for Kyron and giving my thoughts more validity, appreciate you.
Angie great points, thank you for giving another perspective opposite mine on some issues, I like well balanced discussions. Got a few more points to ponder that hit me last night, and today after LE pressor. Rest and Relax, so you can help keep a full thoughtful discussion going. I haven’t posted yet cuz it will be time and mind consuming. Think you will like.
Minima, you me and all of us Darling. Nothing could get possibly more worse than to find out other family members are involved. We’ll cry and pray on each others shoulders if that happens.
Don’t really know where to make these new revelations (observations). I wanted to get the most exposure for one reason. To give those following, caring and worried for Kyron some more food for thought as I do believe when we start sending our “Temperature Out” LE feels it, and often we see them make moves in cases. Not to mention sometimes our ideas help LE, LOL Hugs to the posters speaking directly to me. Your thoughts meant much.
OBSERVATIONS:
A. What we have learned concerning the sealed Restraining Order Factually
1. two calls came in. Five and elevenish. One trip made by LE to house. One call was a threat issue, other and lastly most importantly to ponder is: fireworks~~ “Interference with Custody”.
Aaah “Inteference of Custody”. Now, since this is first legal known court actions in the relationship of Kaine and Terri, and no court has claimed any type “Jurisdiction” of said matters, specifically “Custody matters”.
Terri nor Kaine would be considered at the time of the 911 calls as being one of the parties “Interfering in custody”. Both are the legal staying in the same house, no court having took custodial jurdisdictional matters under Authority.
So who was protesting, interfering in “Custody” matters and who was the Complainant. To me, its as obvious after it dawn on me, LOL this is what has went down the fateful Saturday night.
We know for a fact, Terris Mother and I believe also her Father are staying at the home of the Hormans. Up and until Kaine “Took” Baby K late Saturday night out of the arms of either the Grands or Terri herself, they all, including Kaine were dwelling in said home.
Ponder: If we’re correct about Kaine and his freakish control issues becoming public, their had to be friction and strife in the home. No way around it. For we’re also learning this isn’t and possibly never began with the day Kyron went missing. It’s beginning to show marital problems before that fateful day.
Now,was Terri home at the elevenish 911 call when it was labeled “Interference of custody” by LE leaving one or both of her parents begging, arguing, pleading with Kaine to not take Kiara tooooo and leave? We can all surmise by now Terri is emotionally fragile even if she’s innocent.
Fact: In order to have an “Interference of Custody” occurring either a court has had to take jurisdiction of these matters giving one or the other biological parent temporary or permanent custody, or another party such as Grand Parents were interferring. Terri nor Kaine could have been legally labeled as inteferring in custody of Baby K for neither one had established custody at this point. This point will come back too also.
My theory: All in home. Strife and friction, most all is understandable on all parties. What if, Kaine was already trying to push Terris buttons, fight/fights broke out, accusations and threats went flying? We know a threat was somehow involved as we learned that much from fact concerning the two 911 calls.
If Terri was at home during the elevenish 911 call, why the need for “interference in custody” issue? Terri had just as much right to demand Kaine to not remove Baby K from the home and vice versa.
Could Terri had left the home, maybe went to the gym, went to lay down to relax after the fivish 911 call, leaving baby K with Grands and Kaine, then Kaine makes his move? A move I believe was planned.
In order to have a 24 hour emergency ex parte hearing, you have to be on your toes, quick and somewhat prepared in advance. At lest having been given legal advice. We all know in the very beginning Kaine wrote about contacting Intel’s legal Dept. Hinky meter went off there for me but I quickly said, “Nah”, he’s just using his employers resources to help in the “Hunt” or should I say “No Hunt” for Kyron?
Another observation that has now came to pass. Many were saying yesterday that they hoped this wasn’t going to backfire in Kaines face concerning the Q & A controlled media session.
I couldn’t help but to think as I just finished watching the man from LE giving the live pressor at 5:00 pm eastern that it sure looked like a slap in the face to what happened yesterday. Think about what happened yesterday and the uproar. Then LE has a next day pressor inviting all the press, and this guy sincerely answering questions with concern tones in his voice and eyes towards the reporters. He clearly treated these media reporters with respect. He clearly made it clear the role they and the community played in helping LE in this entire case since it’s beginning. He encouraged like behaviors for the future. To my knowledge, todays pressor wasnt planned earlier, and LE hasn’t spoken in a very long time considering updates to the public til today. Why today? I think it’s apparent.
I also felt that he was softer on Terri than I had expected him to be. He made it clear that Terri HAD cooperated and answered questions. In reference to Terri, there was a contrast between the Families pressor yesterday and LE’s today in my mind.
A reporter asked the Gentleman about Terri hiring Houzer, he explained the procedures of communication between them, Terri and her attorney. I got absolutely no bad vibes, or contention from him when addressing this issue. Almost like a relief she had counsel. In some ways, it does make it better for LE for suspects to be represented as they build a prosecutable case, so I did sense this.
Lastly, but not all my observations. When the attorney questioin was brought up this evening at the pressor another light bulb came on. Who was the first one to retain counsel? Surely not Terri. Kaine has been represented for a while now. We do know he’s got an attorney, thus having the same client priviledge as Terri Harmon does with her attorney. Both having attornies on retainer. Thus LE has to go through Kaines attorney to communicate with him likewise with Terri. I haven’t seen anyone bring this point up anywhere I’ve read yet. Cushion?
Hope I havent lost posters thoughts, wanted to quickly get it down. Would love to read others opinions on what I believe Ive observed on just the two points brought up in this post. Hugs KL
B. write: “And then my new Mancrush, Captain Staton…”
I could not read any further. Heartbroken…
I know. I wanted to run up there and hold his hand. He is a man of honor and integrity and he knows exactly how this is going to end, and the toll it will take on his community. I just heart him.
B
On this day, Blink, I’m starting to REALLY wonder!!!
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/sheriff_kyron_horman_search_at.html
NOW, I read this.
Here is what I now think: Someone from out of the area came and picked up Kyron at Sauvie Island. No doubt who delivered (I think…). They can’t find this boy because he’s been long gone from the search area, including the island. I have no concrete ideas about his fate.
Next, what the heck is this stuff with everyone being slow as turtles in everything they do? Even this sharp-shooting lawyer.
Finally, how is it that everyone in that family stayed in a vacuum until Terri had her meltdown last Saturday – WHO did Terri have a strong hold on? Was it her husband because he knew about her ‘other’ interests and was contemplating exactly what to do? WTH is a memo telling people at work not to talk? Perhaps that of their knowledge of his whereabouts on Friday, June 4th? Someone going to innocently trip him up?
Why all this wrangling from the very beginning? Why all the cover-up already established: the truth about the 1st vehicle towing? Where James really was? Ecker said James was at the house because of a pre-planned one week visit, became aware of Kyron and went and got James. James was on the phone before he left and the other person asked about the 1st polygraph, and he has claimed he could hear Terri in the background yelling at James to shut up.
It’s like they’ve lost this boy and have too many other issues to act like normal terrified parents. The only one who can come close to filling the bill in that order is Desiree and she even allowed herself to be squelched. WTH is going on??? This is nuts. Poor Desiree looked like she was making a hostage tape.
So Blink with that being said the RO may make sense but then do you think the divorce does? It seems to me if my child was missing and you wanted to get answers you could have stayed and tried to get her to talk. Could have made an excuse to send the little baby to his Mom’s if he was worried about her. Seems like he may have acted maybe a little hasty. Just a thought. What are yours?
re: I thought the above post was the live feed of the presser. It wasnt. oops. cant find it and it wasnt on the channel I was watching. argggg
Maybe Terri DID have Kyron removed from a bad situation? I certainly don’t know. What if Terri really IS protecting Kyron (much better than hurting Kyron).
Maybe she sent the 16 year old away for the same reason. She could make the decision to send her older son away, but would not be able to make this decision for Kyron (without Kaine’s approval).
Perhaps Kaine has something to hide? Not that I’m suggesting he’s done anything WITH Kyron (e.g. his disappearance), but what if he’s done someting TO Kyron in the past (e.g. mean to him, etc.)
I’m not accusing Kaine of anything in particular, I’m just saying WE (unlike Terri and Desiree) don’t know what Kaine is really like (e.g. controlling, cold hearted, bad breaker upper?) We don’t REALLY know anymore about him than we do Terri. We’ve heard rumors and theories, but nothing from LE confirming or denying any of this.
We really just need to get Kyron back to DESIREE. He belongs in Medford, OR If Terri had anything to do with protecting Kyron, Desiree will thank her and we will all stand behind Terri for protecting a child. If Terri has information regarding a bad homelife for Kyron, it would explain why she might have been trying the HELP Kyron. If this is the case, I’m sure her attorney will help her to get that information out there.
Or, maybe the worst will happen and we won’t get Kyron back. I hope not. I think of Kyron everyday, morning and night. He needs to be home, one way or another. If ANYBODY has the ability to make this happen, please do so now.
We may be alone, but I agree with you MissMonkey. I don’t see Kaine as a control freak at all. Quite the opposite, I see Terri in control. She obviously knows what happened to this child; whether she did it herself or knows who did. Her silence; her lying about her whereabouts that day; her online antics have not been helping this family at all.
IF it seems that Kaine is being controlling, I think that’s an illusion. Perhaps he’s TRYING to assert some control in a situation where everything in his life is out of control. I mean, think about it; he’s lost his son and he’s probably not coming back; he’s found out his wife is lying to him, at the very least about being involved in some unsavory plot, at most, she murdered his child. He’s had to leave his own home, his life has been turned upside down for the last month; and he initially stood by Terri, and now perhaps is hating himself for believing in her and being taken for a fool.
The man’s life is a disaster (as is Desiree and Tony’s); meanwhile Terri goes about life as normal; more worried about what people are saying about her online, than her missing stepson. I mean, who is to say that Terri was told NOT to talk these last couple weeks? Maybe they asked her to participate with them and she said no? Thus the pleas from Desiree for her to cooperate with police.
Make no mistake, imho, Terri is in charge here; she has been from day 1. And though Kaine’s methods may not be ideal, I truly believe he is trying to get a handle on the situation and focus on finding that poor little boy.
YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary)
Titch, this is solely my belief as to why Kaine opted to move out. Right now, he’s in an undisclosed location (with security I believe Blink said). Obviously both Terri and the media are familiar with the Horman home.
If Kaine had opted to stay at the house, there was always the potential for Terri to slip past security and get inside; and if she was intent on harming Kaine or Kiara…
And at this point, I’m sure not being monitored 24/7 by the media helps a tiny little bit. I believe that’s why Desiree and Tony opted for a hotel, after having stayed at the Horman home intially; to get a little privacy from the press.
I think this couples lifestyle choices, whatever they were, or would become, have caused what happened to Kyron and I think Kaine is desperately trying to avoid any acknowledgment of that.
At the end of the day. I don’t believe either party, of course, ever fathomed this fallout, resulting in Kyron’s disappearance. However, if anyone is withholding information to protect their own asses at the expense of this baby being out there I am going to open a can. It is time for everyone to come clean.
Bring Kyron Home.
B
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Blink,
I’m thinking a double can!
I <3 Kyron!
Blink,
I do hope you open a can
I would love to pick up the phone and call Mr. Horman, and tell him the only team(what was he thinking?) I am playing on is TEAM KYRON! Sadly this is not a game..
@ elpy says:
July 2, 2010 at 5:42 pm
Interesting thought about what you’re saying that the news conferences to be held on a Friday so that the person that has Kyron would be home & able to hear the conference.. Didn’t they initially say that they had a sub teacher at Kyron’s school but that they only worked Monday-Thursday which is why they weren’t there the day Kyron went missing ?
I think about that picture that was out last week taken of Kaine & Terri in a public bar with his hand over her breast which IMO shows he has no respect for a woman to do that in public.. Not that I’m a prude but it kinda of bothered me he’s a little past the teenage fooling around stage..
@ KOOL LOOK (at 6:20 pm)
WOW. Blink, is Observer or J2K posting under a new name?
Seriously, tho, very well said/developed. I’m getting what you’re saying…
? Not following, sorry. Long Day.
B
I don’t find anything odd about Kaine contacting Intel’s Legal dept in the early days when the case broke. It was clear at the beginnng this was a high profile missing child case, he works for a high profile corporation, and as an exec for a very high profile firm I can tell you that when something goes public with an employee, the firm’s Legal Dept should and often must be notified. Corporate Legal, however, cannot and will not get involved in giving advice. Their job is ultimately to protect the corporation’s interests. They would not be giving Kaine legal advice in either his domestic matters (divorce, restraining order) or in any criminal investigation. I think tagging Kaine as a control freak when we have only seen very vague glimpses of this family’s behavior with our own eyes is highly speculative.
Two things I remain unsettled about in the elusive facts in this case: What was revealed to the judge that compelled him to grant the restraining order (I don’t believe it was based on what happened in the home around the 911 calls, but rather info that is tied to the investigation of Kyron’s disappearance). And then there’s that “cool electric project” that Kyron reportedly wanted to go back and see. Whose science fair exhibit did that project belong to, and who was manning that particular exhibit that morning?
I think LE and the family knows that Teri is guilty, but without a body, LE can’t move forward. Seems like the start of a division between the family {exclude Teri} and LE. The family wants something done NOW, but LE wants to wait until they have a body.
To me, it’s clear the family is sickened by Teri and they want to remove themselves from her without the approval of LE. I’m sure LE would have liked for Teri not to have retained a lawyer and everybody go about their business. I think the family tried to cooperated with LE but reached a breaking point and cut ties with Teri.
Now LE is left picking up the pieces and trying to make it seem all is well with Teri. In reality they know it’s her and probably could arrest her now but they are waiting for the body to be found.
I’m hoping when Teri’s lawyer sees the evidence he will talk with Teri to make a plea of some sort….before the body is found and maybe even give up the location. BUT..is the lawyer even privy to the evidence if she isn’t charge with anything yet??
Bottom line. Teri will be arrested eventually.
Oh and Kaine…an innocent father, but maybe a guilty husband and wild man and he wants to keep his private life just that…private. Nothing like walking down the hall at work and everyone whispering as you walk by…see that guy..guess what he does in private..snicker snicker.
Muse says:
July 2, 2010 at 7:07 pm
I don’t find anything odd about Kaine contacting Intel’s Legal dept in the early days when the case broke. It was clear at the beginnng this was a high profile missing child case, he works for a high profile corporation, and as an exec for a very high profile firm I can tell you that when something goes public with an employee, the firm’s Legal Dept should and often must be notified. Corporate Legal, however, cannot and will not get involved in giving advice. Their job is ultimately to protect the corporation’s interests. They would not be giving Kaine legal advice in either his domestic matters (divorce, restraining order) or in any criminal investigation. I think tagging Kaine as a control freak when we have only seen very vague glimpses of this family’s behavior with our own eyes is highly speculative.
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This is true. And it’s possible that when Kyron first went missing, they might have believed that it had something to do with Kaine’s job? Maybe he’s privy to some kind of important Intel information? Or maybe they believed that Kyron was being held for ransom? I have to assume that Kaine makes a fairly large salary.
Or it’s possible that Intel instructed him not to let his work get pulled into the situation. Seems kinda “mean” I suppose, but maybe they did not wan the press camping outside their offices causing a commotion; which is possibly something that could/would happen if some employees were willing to talk.
I agree with you that it seems like the RO and divorce was due to something that LE informed Kaine of, rather than some kinda disagreement the nite of the 911 calls. My guess is that Kaine had already made up his mind (possibly from what he learned from LE on Friday) that he was leaving the house and taking the baby. What’s confounding to me is why Terri has not acted to respond to the RO and attempt to get visitation or just get her baby back. She must feel she Kaine has some legal grounds to do so.
With regards to the “electric” project, I suppose LE’s silence on this is because the electrical project – whether or not it exists – may have been the catalyst to getting Kyron in a position to be alone and be taken. I can see a few options.
1. There was no electrical project and it was some confusion on Tanner’s part. Or he deliberately lied about the project, for some unknown reason. Did he accidentally do something to Kyron? Was he told by family members to lie about it? Was it for nefarious reasons, or was someone just looking to get 15 minutes of fame/money thru Tanner? Maybe thought they could gain some $$$ from the media for being the only ones to speak in this case?
2. There was no electrical project and SM or someone else told Kyron there was one in order to lure him away.
3. There was an electrical project. Someone heard Kyron tell Tanner that he was going to look at the project, and so they followed Kyron, waited till they thought he wouldn’t be missed, and took him.
4. There was an electrical project and someone known to Kyron specifically told him to go look at the project and they would meet him there; then they had possibly planned to go somewhere else, with Kyron’s agreement.
Did you guys catch what was said on Nancy Grace’s show (I believe on 6-30), that Terri had been called to LE for yet again another interview, and WHILE SHE WAS THERE, Kaine was moving himself and the baby out of their home. That Terri came home to find him/them gone. Also said was that it was LE’s suggestion to Kaine that he move the baby out.
@ elpy says:
July 2, 2010 at 5:42 pm &
nana2 says:
July 2, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Interesting thought about what you’re saying that the news conferences to be held on a Friday so that the person that has Kyron would be home & able to hear the conference.. Didn’t they initially say that they had a sub teacher at Kyron’s school but that they only worked Monday-Thursday which is why they weren’t there the day Kyron went missing ?
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Yes, I agree this could be their plan on this. Very interesting. I mean I guess it could be what they have stated ‘the day Kyron went missing is Friday’. But they appear OCD about some aspects, why not have an underlying thought process here as well.
I continue to be uncertainn who orchestrated the presser from yesterday. Was there a blessing from LE? Seems Blink’s new man friend was out speaking to clarify their viewpoint which did not seem to state, Terri is our gal.
Re: “? Not following, sorry. Long Day. B”
Reading KOOL LOOK’s post I just had flashbacks of Observer and J2K’s concise posting styles… just a kudos to this poster and her/his thoughts on the matter… sorry!!
Here’s what I wanna know…I wanna know by “WHO’S” houseboat was the sock found, you know, the one that didn;t belong to Kyron. I’m wondering if it could have been the perp’s sock instead, maybe had some kind of cadaver scent on it (from Kyron?) but was actually the perp’s. I seriously hope le & their forensic team look in & near all “PLUMBING” fixtures, under the houseboat, and I’m still waiting to find out if a house boat uses some kind of septic system or if it’s hooked up to public sewage. I also wonder if maybe Kyron was disposed of by being thrown off of a boat. Sorry, I know it’s harsh, sucked to even type it out.
Do we know yet who’s houseboat the sock was found near? Was it where BP lives?
Wanted to follow up on the news conference held in Portland, OR today at 2pm(PST) stating that “Terri Horman, the stepmother of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman, has been fully cooperating with law enforcement, according to Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton during a news conference Friday.”
Also noted “He said until evidence proves to the contrary, his office is still operating under the assumption that Kyron is still alive.”
But remember, the active search for Kyron was called off somewhere between June 15-17. So, I don’t get this. Perhaps they have information that Kyron is being held somewhere? A reporter did ask that question. He said he could not comment.
One reporter asked if Terri was a suspect. He said”everyone is considered a suspect at this point.” I kid you not.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97705124.html
Oh, one more thing. It has been released on the media that one of Terri’s polygraph tests showed she was being deceptive
http://www.comcast.net/video/report-kyron-s-stepmom-lied/1536062994/Comcast/1535804954/
OMG, PEOPLE…. THAT IS NOT A RELEASE.
It is a report I could only stand to listen to for 1 minute because every fact was WRONG. My head is going to explode.
B
D.A., LE wouldn’t have interfered with the marriage or custody of Kiara. If LE were concerned about Kiara’s safety, they’d have been at the house, removing her themselves, and Child Protective Services (or whatever it’s known as in Portland) would’ve taken custody of her, determined who was fit to take care of her, and transferred custody to that party.
Kaine is vindictive, an opportunist, and controlling. He’s damaged & has major issues. He attempted this in his split with Desiree, but she fought back….Terri’s more co-dependent & trusted that Kiara was safe with her and her parents. Kaine has used LE to cover for him, and I believe that LE basically has called him out on it in this presser today.
JMHO.
ps for all those looking for Terri to post in local Oregon blogs, remember that it’s Kaine who’s the computer “architect”, who better to post as Terri given he knows her best. and, considering the sudden breakup of her family life & “stealing” of Kiara, why in the hell would anyone expect her to be online, posting on blogs? particularly after she’s gotten legal representation? just how paranoid are people blogging on those blogs in Oregon. geez.
@Muse & FLGirl: I have to say that I agree with Muse re: the legal department. I work in serious corporate America. My emails are monitored, I can’t say BOO to external parties or counsel without clearance, each year there is annual reporting of stocks, etc. There are many rules to be followed. I don’t know Kaine, I don’t know if he’s a control freak, but at 36 y.o., and his place at Intel, it’s not hard to imagine him trying to direct people to the proper channels at the beginning. It’s just corporate babble. I know some Microsofters who don’t plan a vacation without having it approved (exaggeration) and then they talk about Microsoft the whole time they’re on vacation. So I don’t know, but just from a corporate perspective, I can say that the legal stmts aren’t out of the ordinary in my mind. How to handle anything legally would always be one of my first thoughts. Now I must watch the video. I want to see my new mancrush in action
Does anyone have a link to the full press conference?
So B~
Where do you go from here? Do you start over again? Are you in your war room re-hashing? Or do you wait? It seems in some cases they will start to release some information in the case to help *stir* things up. Do you think we can expect that?
I am wondering if the presser today was at all clean up from the presser from yesterday?
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This case is a month old. That is nothing in some of the cases I work on, unfortunately. My position, my analysis of this case has not changed one iota. I think Joeamerica said it best. Draw a circle on the Fact or Fiction piece. Answers are all there. Kyron is not.
B
Did not see that D.A., but I take anything said on Nancy Grace with a huge grain of salt. She’s still perpetuating the “Terri and Desiree were best buds” party line. What’s disconcerting is, of her half-dozen nightly guests, no one has disputed that.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad NG has finally picked-up on Kyron’s disappearance, somewhat. Although she’s back to Joran stuff again today.
@Jackie
I finally found it. I have been looking all day.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoid=17052@koin.web.entriq.net&navCatId=156
B, can you explain to me why you believe Kaine is a control freak? I’m not saying he’s not, I just am not really sure I’m following. I will admit I have not watched the Desiree presser from yesterday, just read the transcript. Do you think he wrote Desiree’s “script” yesterday?
As another person who works for a large corporation and who formerly worked as an executive assistant, I can say that any executive at my company would be very likely to call legal very quickly if something like this happened. Odds are, he called his boss, who told him to call human resources, and then HR said make sure you contact the legal department to get their input. They probably told him part of what to include in his email, and it wouldn’t surprise me if part of it was to ask his coworkers to not speak to reporters. I’m sure the legal eagles for Intel are well aware that missing kids are usually stolen/harmed by a family member, and that this could turn sour quickly. Just my 2 cents.