Morgan Harrington Murder Update: DNA Links WANTED SUSPECT
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Link up and put in Red Hill Road, look at building photos of Holden, Sansovich, Morris homes. Not to point fingers at them and I’m certainly not!
My point IS to only to show that many people worked in the North Garden area and on these homes. Some it looks to be for weeks and weeks. Of course, they would begin to learn the area.
There are even photos of such said workers.
Did any camp out in an empty house or trailer anywhere that could be now removed?
Maybe he is in a photo. A long shot, I know. One can hope and well, as I love to look at LOG videos maybe Mom3.0 would like to join forces and search photos in the GISweb area AND even back to nite of Metallica concert?
Mom???
Also, maybe Waldamar Drive and Blandemar Farm Drive also had workmen in. Obviously, they do and did.
BTW: These houses just do not build and maintain themselves.
Yes, addresses are down the road from Anchorage Farm but I was trying to give examples with using the above.
Blink, do we know if the area residents have the sketch? Some of these people are older and do not subscribe to the internet.
Blink, also please tell me that everyone has come clean on the so-called, paid-under-the-table workers on thier properties, especially the Bass Farm?
Yipes, my page glitched and I submitted the same thing three times. Sorry, guys.
When I heard that the description of the person was that of an African-American, I was surprised as I think that sketch makes him look more like a Latino. I’m sure that there is good reason to release the information of the former, but I also remember some of the folks that saw Morgan outside of JPJA mentioning that there was a Latino looking person lurking around the area of the EMS vehicles or around the time the 4 BIBs were seen. That would also make sense sense given the ethnic make-up (diverse, including a large Latin population) of Fairfax County.
I still wonder if there is any linkage that would still make LT. Rader’s comments regarding “location” relevant?
Remember, we talked about the possibility or probability of there
being more than one perp regarding Morgan. This may be just one of
two or three. This sketch may be the one thing that makes one of the
other perps “twitch” and get noticed. This man may have no link to
Anchorage Farm but through the other perp. So sad to think of another
serial killer in VA.
PamVA, B -
(Pam said:) “I am sticking with my gut feeling that this person was impersonating a police officer, EMS worker or firefighter. Morgan would not have gone with this person willingly.”
(B replied:) “I am on your page, have been since day one.~B”
With this latest development indicating an attack-dog-style rapist, I’m reinterpreting “willingly.” Specifically, I don’t think MH was fooled into getting into someone’s car.
I think she walked back into the empty RV lot (it was raining, after all) to make her way back to the stadium – perhaps cooling off and coming to her senses – and was jumped from behind/possibly even assaulted *in* that dark, shrouded lot.
I’m thinking back to MsLAL’s shots of the place in daylight and it spooked me then – it would seemingly offer enough privacy for an assault in the dark under rainy conditions. (Note the mysteriously scattered purse.)
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[K, folks - next stop Speculationville. Buckle Up and keep your arms and legs in the train at all times...]
He may have thought he killed her udring the assault, and loaded her into his vehicle to find an out-of-the-way spot to dump the body (as he must have assumed his unindentified DNA was in the database from his previous high-profile, unsolved attack – perhaps among others).
I’m even disturbing myself in following this logic, but this assailant may have wound his way into the first deep, quiet neighborhood he saw (Blandemar Farms) and turned off on the utility road leading to that now-well-known clump of trees alongside the creekbed. It’s possible that when he went to move MH from his vehicle, he realized she wasn’t quite dead – and decided to finish the job by running her over (thus the shattered bones).
There was a similarly horrific case in southern PA back in the ’90s (paroled lifer Arthur Bomar’s rape and murder of college student Aimee Willard), where the perp struck his victims car on an exit ramp late at night, hitting her with a crowbar when she got out to exchange info, abducting with her to a backlot-type area, raping her and then [shudder] running her over with his car when he was done to ensure she was dead.
(Ironically, the “overkill,” as it were, was part of what sealed his conviction – the ME noticed odd burn marks on Willard’s torso. Turned out they were imprints of ridges on the oil pan affixed to the bottom of Bomar’s car. LE was also able to match his tire tracks to those found on and near her body.)
I just want clarification I am following what we know correctly.
There is an established link btwn DNA from the 2005 sexual assault and from Morgan Harrington.
We don’t know if it is the shirt or the scene on AF?
We dont have confirmation officially to link it to Vanessa Pham, but that may come?
Sorry for being thick, alot going on here at the homefront all the while these cases go bonkers. ~sigh~.
Just brainstorming – Could it matter that George Mason University is in Fairfax and UVA is in Charlottesville? Here is what crossed my mind immediately – someone employed first in Fairfax five years ago and then moved to Charlottesville area for job in Charlottesville between 2005 and 2009? Someone who attended both schools – undergrad or recent grad of GMU in 2005 and grad student at UVA in 2009? Someone whose job included both Charlottesville AND Fairfax.
Blink, are they releasing the sketch publicly because they have ruled out all of the contract workers at the JPJ?
The road between Charlottesville and Fairfax goes through Orange?
Never mind, just kind of freaked me out.
I agree with the people who think this guy looks hispanic. And B, it’s been a looong time since I fell off my chair, so pray tell the lead that will have me off my chair. Pretty please.
I too think the sketch looks Latino~~ He kills someone,goes back over the Border (where there are many,many murders every day) comes back to the U.S. to have more fun.. Now he’s back across the Border.
http://www.dexknows.com/business_profiles/sandridge_disposal_service-b53718#photoshttp://sex-offender.vsp.virginia.gov:80/sor/offenderDetails.html?regId=18328
Need some input from my friends here, so I can quit obsessing over this. Sandridge, link above, is listed as wanted according to Albemarle county sex offender site–as of May, he was accounted for–has rape conviction. He also lists that he is self-employed–SANDRIDGE DISPOSAL–CROZET address.
Could this company have “serviced” AF? Could this guy know mystery man? They are similar in age. Could mystery man have needed help with “disposal” or vise-versa? I just find it odd that this Sandridge guy is now listed as WANTED.
Thoughts? and Thanks.
Okay, Shiny Girl, you gave them the clues and they are following your lead. Help us to get this right. God bless.
This perp was not quiet for 5 years. He has done other things in the meantime. Someone may be suspicious of him already. Make that call and put him away so no one else can be hurt by him.
Blink, thank you for staying on this. My head just keeps saying OMG! OMG!! OMG!!!
Well if this/these perp/perps are mobile – obviously going between Charlottesville and Fairfax at least – why not look at other Virginia connections? This one seems interesting:
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2009/jul/02/rape02_20090701-231802-ar-38532/
GnM- the picture from Kentucky- Wow!!! I must say the fellow resembles this guy big time! Good work.
I know how this might sound but I truly am not trying to racial profile. I do wonder though if I am alone; so, I will just ask. I don’t see Hispanic, I see more Middle Eastern. The hair (both top and facial) and the nose. Someone with very dark olive skin maybe?
His stats descriptor states he is black.
B
Blink you wrote:
Still believe there were 2 perps. I am not convinced this is Morgan’s perp, but I am convinced he knows who is. We have passed on a lead since the sketch was released that would have you off your chair.
B
Someone may have recognized him so soon- Wow!
Can you say anything more- as I am already off my chair?
In the first assult the victim said he was between 20 and 25. So give or take two years. That takes us to 18 and 27 and that would now be 23 to 32. With that said..could be young or old. I think the beard makes one look older.
I am hopeing that somebody outside JPJ October 17 might just remember a black man. I looked at a lot of pictures of the crowd and it did not look like many if any black men in attendence. So that being said it might just juggle somebodys memory. Fingers are crossed.
I have seen an account 25-35, 5 years ago, so in that estimation, he is 30-45
B
Well, I did not see this coming. Maybe he has a buddy in the AF area….. we were pretty sure there was an AF connection. Maybe he’s real friendly with someone who lives there….hmm…let me see…who might that be..??? I am absolutely gob-smacked. But it is good news – but, yes, maybe he will lead to others and get these schmucks locked up forever.
HLN getting ready for an update on Morgan
Blink- me again, sorry I know you are real busy today- my previous post is still in moderation -just making sure that you got it- and upon rereading it I notice that it lacks the statement- unless you think it is ok to post- unless you chose not to post it- which in that case never mind
Did we ever get resolution on the AA male noted to be entering dorm rooms at ? JMU?
I think this was printed in The Breeze, I’ll have to look. Anyone else remember?
WWBT 12 NEWS IN RICHMOND HAS JUST AIRED THIS NEWS. ACCORDING TO THEM, THE HARRINGTONS HAVE KNOWN FOR ABOUT A WEEK THAT THERE WAS A MATCH WITH THE DNA. THIS IS GREAT NEWS. A GOOD BIRTHDAY PRESENT FOR ME TODAY.
melissab and orangeparkgirl, I don’t mean to sound like a redneck, but there aren’t too many pakistan/egyptian types around here. (Blink PLEASE don’t post this if it’s offensive.) My feeling is that the person who abducted and murdered Morgan was not from money, so money won’t buy shine-ola in this case. If her murderer is connected to the 2005 Fairfax case, and even the recent murder of Pham…if it’s the guy in the sketch, he’ll be identified by our good folks here in Albemarle County sooner or later. Money won’t buy his freedom. The boy’s in trouble now.
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/news-releases/2010/060210attemptrobbery.htm
Take a look at the pictures of this team of 3. Although not connected to Morgan’s case, a similar traveling group of degenerates of various ages, race and gender could have abducted her. This group has it all: weapons, drugs, the female who might get jealous and plant a shirt. They could cover every hypothesis we’ve come up with so far. They just blew away my vision of a lone wolf.
Cville -> Fairfax connections…..
that could include someone with military ties as NGIC/Army Command is now located here…..
also there was construction going on at UVA right there next to JPJ during the time of the concert with work crews traveling the 29 corridor from Northern VA to Cville daily – maybe someone stayed late to listen outside, never intending to go inside.
we should not forget not the infamous Cville rapist was living among us working at Harris Teeter so he may just be another “one of us”.
With 4 boys – I agree with so much of what the Harringtons said. We’ve got to raise our boys to cherish and uphold relationships – and not view girls as adversaries through violent video games, porn, etc.
Hey Blink. Over at FindMorgan, they are discussing a concert that was held in 2005 on the night of the rape and abduction. I know this weird, but just last night on HBO on demand, I watched NEDA, with my 18 yr old daughter. Never would I have heard that name before. It is really a very powerful documentary. Everyone is feeling funny about this guys nationality, but could he be arabic. Watch the doc. All about shutting down the voice of the woman(everyone). A woman out walking alone…how dare she…you know what I’m saying. I don’t believe in coincidences this big. Googoosh seems a spectacular woman herself. This is so weird.
Blink – saw the descriptor before I posted. Understand the person is described as BLACK. What did they mean to you? I understand the person could be Black/African American. I was remarking on the image itself (as others have who remarked they see Latino or Hispanic). I see the possibility of someone who could be Middle Eastern/Northern African. I feel I need to add some clarification I guess (after you noted on my comment “the descriptor said black”).
1.The crime in 2005 took place in Sept just after the summer.
2.Many Middle Eastern and Northern African, i.e. Egypt etc, can have very very dark skin.
3.The time and location of the crime. The crime happened in a dark area after 10 PM further adding to the possibility the criminal may not be African-American.
I wonder after reading some folks remarks if most of the public would take away from that descriptor WE ARE LOOKING FOR AN AFRICAN AMERICAN ONLY.
Gotta ask – Do police have DNA that rules out Middle Eastern/Northern African heritage for these crimes? Do police have a broader interpretation of what BLACK means and they checked accordingly back in 2005? Or did police write down BLACK because that is the word the victim used? How did they expect the public to respond?
This man could have had scratches on him for both crimes couldn’t he? The descriptor mentions scratches for the 2005 crime. Had to wonder, what would prevent the guy from being caught? Maybe the descriptor prevented someone from calling because they reckoned must not be the guy, don’t want to cause trouble, this guy had scratches BUT he wasn’t African American?
One more thing I should include. I have 30 plus years of following missing person cases and looking at data. I have a perspective that some don’t understand I know. I thought this might help to clarify how my brain works. I do know Northern Va,used to live there! Best friend still does. There are many races!
I was puzzled when I pulled the race data for Fairfax:
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/demogrph/graphs/race.pdf
Take a look at this:
http://lwv-fairfax.org/files/lwvfa_muslim.pdf
“How many Muslims live in the United States?
In Fairfax?
The U.S. Census does not track religious preferences. It does
try to count by race. Muslims from the Middle East,
Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India are counted as white. The
sub-Saharan black Muslims are counted as African Americans.”
I can see an area for confusion. Anyone else? I had to wonder if this could have impeded police from solving the 2005 crime? I don’t want it to happen again with Morgan’s if that is the case.
Some have posted they felt it implausable for Morgan to jump into a car with a black man. What about a45 yr old Middle East/Northern African? Should add, Morgan was abducted and killed in mid October. So the person’s skin, if not African American could actually be lighter
Personally, I would like to see the composite without the beard. Could help. It has been five years. I desperately want whoever is responsible for these horrible crimes off the street right away!
Googoosh concert schedule. Sorry if this is too much info and coincidence. The HBO doc just started a couple of weeks ago…could be a catalyst. But don’t know where Morgan fits.
24 September 2005 – Fairfax, Virginia (near Washington, DC), Patriot Center
Any of those BB players with ties to Fairfax? Just putting it out there, maybe an old buddy was in town or a relative….
Is the accomplice theory still holding up?
Saramom says:
July 1, 2010 at 5:55 pm
http://www.dexknows.com/business_profiles/sandridge_disposal_service-b53718#photoshttp://sex-offender.vsp.virginia.gov:80/sor/offenderDetails.html?regId=18328
Need some input from my friends here, so I can quit obsessing over this. Sandridge, link above, is listed as wanted according to Albemarle county sex offender site–as of May, he was accounted for–has rape conviction. He also lists that he is self-employed–SANDRIDGE DISPOSAL–CROZET address.
Could this company have “serviced” AF? Could this guy know mystery man? They are similar in age. Could mystery man have needed help with “disposal” or vise-versa? I just find it odd that this Sandridge guy is now listed as WANTED.
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I only see the Sandridge listing or ad for that co?
Input needed:
On the sketch along the hairline, it is lighter, shadowed or whatver.
Could this be greying, or the tight shave style cut that some guys have? Just wanted to know if that looked unusual to anybody else or a significant marker to look for.
I read Vanessa’s car was found at a busy intersection around mental health facilities/hospital. Could this person possibly be someone employed by the hospital(s) or something to do with medical field?
Something feels off to me. I’m not sure what it is. Anyone else feel this way?
In case anyone is interested:
“The debate raged in court Thursday afternoon about public access to traditionally public documents in the Yeardley Love murder investigation, and what may have been gathered up as evidence as police zeroed in on suspect George Huguely.
A number of media outlets, including Charlottesville’s Daily Progress, want access to the results of six search warrants in the case.
Judge John McGrath of Rockingham County, but sitting in Charlottesville Circuit Court, ruled Thursday night that details from five-of-six search warrants issued in the wake of the Love murder should be made public, and lifted the sealing orders.
McGrath said information regarding the sixth search warrant shall remain sealed. McGrath says the documents, with certain details redacted including witness names and social security numbers, should be made available to the public no later than the close of business on Thursday July 8, 2010.”
http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=12744228
Blink just wanted to bring over some info from the Harrington’s after their briefing today.
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/97618824.html
July 1, 2010
snip/
“When I first heard they had a DNA link to a previous crime, It’s hard to say you’re happy about such an obscene thing,” Gil Harrington said. “We were, in fact, happy because the likelihood of getting an arrest and a conviction increased astronomically.”
/snip
Gil is clearly saying this perps DNA was found on something of Morgan’s ..as well as the crime in 2005.
With DNA samples they can tell the racial heritage..and if they say African American then that is what he is. DNA can tell you if someone is bi-racial..and they are not saying any other race. So we don’t need to worry about that aspect any longer.
Now we need to know who this individual is, where he is, who has been helping him keep his secrets all these years…someone knows..they need to speak.
His line of work obviously has given him access to RTE 29, and some out of the way places.
He attacked the 2005 vic..but stopped because he was interrupted by people coming on the scene..so he ran. I believe he would have killed her too..if someone else hadn’t happened upon him raping her.
See the link below for that info:
http://hamptonroads.com/node/560641
SNIP/
The woman told police she was walking in the 3700 block of Jermantown Road after she left the store about 10 p.m. when a man grabbed her, dragged her to a wooded area and assaulted her, police said at the time.
The man fled when a passerby came upon the attack, according to the newspaper account.
/SNIP
Rt 29 is Lee Hwy in Fairfax City. It goes all the way to C-Ville and beyond. The sketch resembles the descriotion of a guy who was sexually assaulting young women, just of the a wooded trail that runs from rt 29 (Lee Hwy) to the Vienna Metro. In addition, Fairfax County police believe Pham may have been traveling on rt 29 (Lee Hwy) or route 50 (Arlington Blvd) between Nutley and Gallows…Sunday afternoon just before she was found stabbed and in her car which rolled off the service road and onto rt 50…facing the wrong way. Nutley is the street that the Vienna Metro is just off of.
Someone may have already posted this thought, and I know there is strong speculation of thinking Morgan’s murderer may have been or impersonating an EMT or LEO which many would believe came into contact with Morgan only after the fact of being outside of the arena, but I say we look back through the YouTube videos for a black male at the concert who may have stalked her while inside and followed her out before Metallica took stage…The suspect reeks of an opportunistic murderering POS.
Based on the below, the Harringtons knew about this forensic link well before today:
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http://www.nbc29.com/global/story.asp?s=12741310
But that is not the only question the Harrington’s have at this point; they are also still questioning why it took state police so long to release the information. The Harringtons say they were in-the-know weeks ago. Such was the case with Morgan’s Pantera t-shirt; found last November on 15th Street in Charlottesville, but not told to the public until April.
“We’ve been really trying to increase our pressure on the police so that the information would be released,” said Morgan’s mother Gil Harrington.
Maybe he is a mall cop.
TO: marci/kosmo:
I am here.
For the long haul.
Until Morgan’s BG is apprehended.
TO: J2K: Welcome back–you have been mightily missed, young lady! I read some posts about a house fire; I hope that you and yours are ok!
What I would like to know, did his 2005 rape victim hear his speaking voice?
Meaning, did he have a typical Southern drawl common to the area (and other parts of the South)?
Or, did he perhaps have a different accent?
Could he be a person of color from a different region of the US, or from a different country?
Seems to me that would be something to help differentiate.
Just an idea.
the guy who was attacking young women near Fairfax Circle and the Vienna Metro, some reports described him as being possibly black, Hispanic or middle eastern. These areas are within miles of George Mason Univ and the GMU Patriot Center…which also has gigs.
Sexual assault attackers often escalate to rapists and then to murderers…no witness…especially if they know they left behind DNA.
Blink??? How can I get a private message to you.
Post here, only you and I will see it.
B
Fish, I read that LE has gone back through the footage but I am willing to look through it all again- photos included- I know you are willing to also- You are right Fish- we never know if maybe we will stumble upon him-
“State Police spokeswoman Corinne Geller said that investigators re-looked at all of the surveillance video from John Paul Jones Arena and surrounding convenience stores after making the Fairfax case connection. However, investigators did not find anything that could help them.”
http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/article/link_made_between_morgan_harrington_case_and_2005_fairfax_abduction/108967/
J2K: “I think she walked back into the empty RV lot (it was raining, after all) to make her way back to the stadium – perhaps cooling off and coming to her senses – and was jumped from behind/possibly even assaulted *in* that dark, shrouded lot.”
“I’m thinking back to MsLAL’s shots of the place in daylight and it spooked me then – it would seemingly offer enough privacy for an assault in the dark under rainy conditions. (Note the mysteriously scattered purse.)”
Philly J: Glad all is well in the downunder!
I’ll give you a shout out next week.
About Morgan walking back into the lot to get back to JPJA. She would not unless she was already back in the back of the lot and she was walking out of the lot. If that makes sense.
It’s a wide open frontage, it is across the street from JPJA. If that makes sense. Well, actually she could have walked behind the field area but man, that would have been way dark and desolate. Plus, the sighting times do not add up.
Yes, it is scary at night…I’ve been there.
And yes, even during the day it was scary, early on. Search weekend and up to recently.
I have noticed that the trees have been trimmed in the past months and it just looks cleaner and tidier.
But, I could say that assault happens in lot, for sure. No way a car can drive behind the field though. Had to come out the front on Copeley.
I just may be with Observer’s review of Morgan on the bridge, car pulls up and pulls her in and HE; Sketch Guy, turns around in that RV lot. Dumping purse. Thus, people seeing Morgan on the bridge, scent hitting but no one saw her get into car.
It WAS your so-called rabid dog, assault-type abduction.
Then, needs a place to put her so he calls his friend/family, the North Garden/AF worker.
Maybe Dad worked there at one time. THE helper.
OR…
Morgan is on bridge, people see her, someone (and I don’t mean the sketch guy) offers her a ride or some help(medical, port-a-potties back there, his phone in car) and back to the RV lot they go and then assault and go. He calls his friend for help…The Sketch Guy.
Either way one of them knew Anchorage Farm.
I know that all this sounds crazy but I keep going back to Anchorage Farm. This was not a happenstance that he drove and dumped her there. In the dark of night? So far back and into the woods? Carrying her or making her walk?
Remember it was dark here in VA that night plus rainy and a chill in the air.
Was HE accounted for by concert’s end? Hmmmm.
And taser, well it hurts like a son of a B. Just hold a dog collar and walk through it’s electric fence, multiply by 100! Maybe 2005 victim had the double marks one leaves. Sadly, don’t ask.
BTW: Absolutely tragic about Amiee Willard. I remember this all too well. My dog is more human than that so-called man. Such violence.
Ebeth: There were all types. Young, old, white, asian, married, singles, couples and black men. A few are at the stage looking into the crowd. They were security. Not saying them as that would be ridiculous. They were there the whole concert. I know, I watched. I’m just wondering if this sketch could be someone that helped a friend in need out. Again, maybe the friend worked at AF one time not the guy in the sketch.
Lt. Rader’s:
“Point 6: Traveling to the Anchorage Farm area would have created a significant risk for any person not familiar with the area and not comfortable with that setting. The farm has difficult obstacles, like streams, fences, defects and terrain that changes — things that an unfamiliar person might have avoided.”
Yep, I’m going with HE/THEY, one of them knew that farm!
Did they know the Bass Family schedule as well?
Sorry everyone. I’ve just confused myself. Hang tough a moment. So I can get my thoughts reorganized. This is a hot mess but I’m posting so I can refer back.
J2K says:
July 1, 2010 at 5:23 pm
…running her over with his car when he was done to ensure she was dead.
*****
Interesting and plausible. Haven’t checked in for a while, but this scenario and shattered bones makes sense. Had talked self out of the random perp for a while, but obviously now we have to reconsider. Weird stuff.
Here J2K; A in-color photo of JPJA. Click on first one.
http://www.nbc29.com/Global/link.asp?L=414506