Kyron Horman Case: The Path From Suspect To Defendant Is Forged
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Portland, OR- The tangled web that is the life of Terri Horman continues to weave.
In an Exclusive development to blinkoncrime.com, a Portland local, declining to be identified, provides the bombshell revelation that Terri Horman was behind the 5:16PM call to 911 last June 26th.
The object of her “threat based” call to 911 requiring officers response?
The Landscaper, in his white truck, on her property, demanding his payment for $10,000.
The same Portland source confirmed that an undercover detective, playing the role of an associate of the landscaper turned alleged assassin, was present. It was also confirmed a bulk of the incident was overheard on the police scanner. The Truck registration and plate were called in on an open channel as well.
What they did not count on, during the surreptitious meeting, was that Terri Horman would shut down the brief meeting and call Police; thwarting what they were hopeful would end in an arrest.
Kaine Horman had been advised to remove the couples 18 month old daughter in advance, for their safety, earlier in the day.
Upon deputies arrival, as informed by Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office about the sting, detectives were forced to tell Terri Horman she was a suspect. Horman hired Stephen Houze, prominent Portland defense attorney by Monday June 28th.
The identity of the landscaper has been withheld as this is an ongoing investigation, but blinkoncrime.com has learned that it is contained in the sealed portion of the restraining order obtained by Kaine Horman.
blinkoncrime reader titch contributed research to this article
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33.MackiezMom says:
July 7, 2010 at 5:37 pm
I wish someone would have known about our situation, we lived that for over 18 years. Someone that would have taken action to stop him. I hope that Kyron did not have that kind of life. Those things you spoke of are awful and sad to hear about.
:*-(
Still praying for Kyron.
Blink you have been awfully quiet today!
Sorry Blink is on 3 cases and a radio interview this eve, trying to come up for air.
B
50 adair says:
July 7, 2010 at 9:24 am
If Kyron was leaving to go to either A) on a fishing trip with Desiree and Tony, or B) back home with Teri, Dad and Kiara for ice cream and Wii, why no mention till now? When was last day of school? Why was she fixed on that future Dr. appt. if he was going to be gone on a trip? How long was the fishing trip going to be? And the trip to California, just Dad and Kyron? No Teri and baby? Why would she make him disappear if he was leaving anyway? The time line for Dad being home, saying he was going to take him for ice cream, and play games isn’t working anymore-was he alibying his wife at first?
For goodness sake, did anyone know where Kyron was supposed to be and with who? Like, ever? No wonder it was so easy to make him disappear! There seems to be no chain of custody, poor little boy. Something is just rotten to the core here.
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I agree with Adair.
“For goodness sake, did anyone know where Kyron was supposed to be and with who? Like, ever?”
That’s how I feel right now-there are so many questionable trains of thought and timelines in this family.
1 Why hide the “trip” to take Kyron to meet his mom and stepdad, that TH was supposed to do after school June 4th? That changes a lot of thinking on possible theories. TH knew she was taking him, he would be gone for the weekend and if she really needed to be away from Kyron longer, she could have asked that he stay there, until she figured out her life somewhat. It seems that would make it simpler to move forward in her attempt on Kaine’s life-if that was truly what she had planned. It would have only been her, Kiara and Kaine home, after James left from his visit. She could have had Kiara stay with her parents and then done something to Kaine. Why get rid of Kyron when he was going to be spending more time over the summer with DY anyway?
2 Why talk about the ice cream and Wii treat weeks after Kyron went missing, but not mention taking him to Eugene that evening? That seems like a huge freakin piece of info to leave out-why?
3 Why just now did DY throw in the June 4th meet up in Eugene (and on the only day that DY talks to press on her own), because KH is “meeting with investigators and that took precedence”? Are DY and TY distancing themselves from Kaine now too, and if so, why?
4 Why all of a sudden was a trip to go fishing with TY and the new gift rod thrown into the mix for that weekend? If ANYONE knew that, what an easy way to lure Kyron out of school. If ANYONE had said to Kyron that they would take him to meet TY so he could go on his fishing trip early, I think he would have gone with them.
5 Why is the Cali trip referred to as an extended vaca-extended for how long-three weeks, two months, permanent move perhaps? I have read comments on other sites that said Kaine was planning to move to Cali and was quitting or transferring his job there-fact or fiction?
Was this trip planned as a family, or just Kyron and Kaine for now, and did TH already know her chances for going to Cali were nil and maybe she did have Kyron removed as a big FU to Kaine and all involved?
I always sort of stood up for TH until fairly recently, then fell off the fence as more details came out. Now I’m to the point that I’m wondering about any and all people in Kyron’s life. I am trying to think outside the box and even outside the realm of boxes in the universe. I’m trying to think outside a box, on a docking station on a space shuttle near Mars. Damn-it’s lonely out here…
Kyron-I need to think you are safe and sound-you will be home soon-sending you billions of hugs and a universe of positive energy!!!
Charlotte, I read somewhere that Desiree had another son before marrying Kaine. At the time of their divorce that son was 7 which would make him 14 or 15 now. It didn’t say where that son was now living and that was the only time I’ve ever seen that he was even mentioned. I wondered if she left him with his dad when she went to Canada as well and now also picks him up on weekends…which she might be referring to when she said “her boys”.
I don’t know if Desiree has a previous child, but Terri has with her ex.
Oh little Kyron~where are you, honey?! Wherever you are, I know we all hope you feel our thoughts, prayers and our love.
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I wanna know more about Desiree’s older son. what’s up with leaving him out of the equation? James has been mentioned, from time to time. He’s being kept quite busy with scout trips, 4H and preparing for the county fair~thank goodness for a family environment which provides the nourishing love every kid James’ age needs and deserves. But~where is Desi’s 15 year old boy?
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Praying for Kyron’s safe return home….
@Hulagirl – DY mentioned the name of her oldest son in one of her most recent press releases. She also said he just turned 15. (Quinn McCullough)
What seemed interesting to me was when looking through Terri’s facebook pictures at this link
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2063551&id=1264414625#!/photo.php?pid=784454&id=1264414625
there are pictures of Kaine, Terri, James, Kyron and Kitty celebrating Quinn’s 15th birthday with Quinn and Quinn’s bio-dad. Seems as tho’ the Horman’s were/are possibly still close to Desiree’s 1st husband.
The Hormans and the Youngs did not address the media for approx the 1st 2 weeks Kyron was missing AND LE was very tight lipped during that time. Frankly, I would want to stay away from the public too if I were going through a gut wrenching, heartbreaking ordeal.
For this 2nd two weeks+ they have been more forthcomming in the media. Why have they waited until now to clarify this or that detail?
Because they only recently started to address the publicv at all AND there is a LOT of detail. They are not required to divulge ANYTHING to the public.
I think they are brave to face the awful scrutany we are performing.
B-
Can’t wait for the show! Merde!
Follow the dots…. you will know in your heart what has happened! IMO
GMTA Hulagirl, I pretty much said the same thing! Desiree does have another son, twice Kyron’s age I believe, and he also splits time between his parents’ homes. I imagine that since Kyron goes to Desiree and Tony’s every other weekend, it’s arranged that his older brother is there at the same time; otherwise they would not see each other much.
On a side note, I know everyone is saying it seems like this June 4th trip to Medford came out of the blue, but again, I’m pretty sure it was brought up way at the beginning of the case. But at that time, nothing was substantiated by LE at all.
Personally, I really still can’t understand keeping that stuff under wraps for so long. Surely all the parents would’ve mentioned Kyron going to Desiree’s to the police straight away. I really can’t see what that Medford trip has to do with anything in this case that needs to be kept quiet. Clearly Desiree knew about it; and whatever happened to Kyron, happened in school, not on the way to Medford. The trip was a regular occurence, so what’s to be closed-off about it?
I feel so terribly bad for Desiree and Tony~ I feel bad for Kaine but I think their ~( Terri’s & Kaine’s) life style is way out of balance & off the wall in comparison to Desiree & Tony ~ So sad that Kyron was made to suffer`(I think Terri knew mental (abusive ways that
didnt show on his little body~ ways to make the sweet lil boy feel like he didnt belong in her world) so sad…. and I do think the only ones in this terrible case that are believable & genuine are Desiree & Tony~ I couldnt believe how “phoney” Terri was in that first interview~and I would hate to think that Kaine & terri are playing the game of abuse to one another. I really do feel that Terri doesnt care about Kyron~ body language in all the photos of them & the little girl ~ I do feel deep down Kaine cares ~ Just isnt manning up to the situation~
Maybe TH REALLY didn’t want Kaine to go to Cali if it was just him and Kyron and he didn’t want Terry to go. Who knows?
Enjoyed blog talk radio!!
Blink, I’m sitting here listening to you on the Dana Pretzer show. Everything you’re saying – DEAD ON sugar! I would hope the cops could arrest her so they could at least have her held for observation & interrogation over the “hit” case. It could give them more time before charging her, in order to collect evidence, if in fact she’s to blame for his disappearance.
Wanted to bring this over from SM? What do you guys think? Is it plausible?
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html
My personal opinion is that Desiree filed for divorce bc she found out Kaine was cheating on her with Terri. I haven’t found anything at all to support this idea, but I still feel that’s the biggest reason for their split. I think that’s why Desiree was adamant when she said she wasn’t friends with Terri prior to her divorce from Kaine. It’s just a feeling, don’t take my word for it bc I can’t validate it.
Some interesting info:
(Re Terri & Richard Ecker)
“The couple relocated to Beaverton in 2001 and separated that year, and their divorce became final in 2002.”
(Re Desiree & Kaine Horman):
“But in August 2002, when Desiree was eight months pregnant, she filed for divorce, citing irreconcilable differences.
Kyron was born Sept. 9, 2002, and Kaine and Desiree were officially divorced in 2003. Kaine and Desiree shared custody, but Kyron mostly lived with Desiree until 2004, when she went to Canada after suffering kidney failure.”
Now, where did Kaine & Desiree live at that point? Wasn’t it Beaverton? Isn’t funny how the article states Terri & Desiree were friends yet Desiree shuts that down during a televised interview in which she specifically says no they were not friends.
So, when I look at this snip, I realize that everyone’s thinking that Terri moved to the Portland house to help take care of Kyron, but keep in mind they had only recently purchased that house. I think Kaine was still living in Beaverton (I think):
“Kyron moved in full time with his dad, now 36, an engineer at Intel. With a demanding job at the company’s Jones Farm campus in Hillsboro, where he works in the architecture group, Kaine needed child care. So, Desiree’s friend Terri moved in to help.”
It’s my personal belief that Terri is a husband stealer. There, I said it. I believe they started their affair in Beaverton. I think Terri held a grudge against Kaine. I believe the story of the threat from 6 months ago. I think the landscaper has a history but I also don’t think he took her seriously when she first suggested it. I think Terri was involved at one point with this dude but she was only using him then he figured it out & called it off. I think if the hit on Kaine would have been taken seriously, he wouldn’t be here right now & Kyron would be with Desiree & Terri would have everything that was left, including policies. I think if Kyron hadn’t gone missing, the landscaper wouldn;t have said anything.
I haven’t quite put my finger on Kaine yet. Something seems off with him. People tend to think he’s controlling & yada yada but I’ve seen so many people like him over the years & just about all of them had analytical minds, are engineers, detectives, accountants (careers that suit their minds) – very anal, precise, things have to be a certain way – doesn’t make them bad. Sort of like a perfectionist – hell, I’d rather have an accountant that’s a perfectionist than one that’s not & just does things the easy way. With my personality, I’d have to knock somebody out if they tried to control me, but seriously, it doesn’t mean they’re a horrible person. Still, it seems like he’s just not on the up & up & appears to be hiding something. Something more than just an affair. I swear I’m gonna find out…
zeus
July 7, 2010 @ 7:31 p.m.
Thanks for clarifying and adding to my point, you did it much better than I did! I agree with all of yours. I might also add that it seems to me that Desiree and Tony are pulling away from Kaine…maybe a little distance out of necessity for he and his daughter’s well being? I don’t know, Kaine is hard to read. Probably has more on his plate than we will ever know or imagine. I feel for them all, those 3. A heavy load to carry. Desiree’s statements are just heartbreaking. Sweet little boy. So many prayers going up for him.
Whoever did it, had to know the schedule of Kyron’s life. Knew the times, knew the changing dates and places, knew what order things were or should have been. Not a stranger, but someone who KNEW to do it in the morning, at a science fair, not after school or recess, or at the bus. Not a regular school day. Knew he wouldn’t be on the bus, on the way to school and/or home. Not that day. The opportunity couldn’t have just presented itself, could it? Unless someone was fed the information by the person who would know all above… and abducted him then.
#32 Futureman @ 5:18
~absolutely~
That being said, I hope the end is coming soon. I picture TH smugly at her computer, eating Cheetos. going from site to site, changing her names as needed. Disagreeing here and there and showing off her intelligence,chatting herself up, offering theories. Who would have a better theory? Hopefully she is enjoying things now, because she probably won’t be having too much fun here in the near future.
Thank you Blink for the excellent interview you had on The Dana Pretzer Show this evening. ~Snap
@Jackie Bauer: Thanks for the definitions. If LE’s case was that cut and dried TH would have been charged already. The only thing I keep hearing is she’s not named as a suspect, or being charged with anything. Am I wrong on this? If not hearsay, or a LS who TH’s attorney could easily discredit under cross examination (i.e. his arrest record/past), then why did they try to entrap her with a LE officer posing as a fellow LS? According to those definitions they shouldn’t have had to do any of that, yet they did, and were made to look like fools doing it. Almost everyone on here already has TH convicted and ready for the slammer. Myself, I wasn’t there and have no idea what went on, with Kyron or in the household. So, I sit back and take a little more objective view. I’d like to think it’s still innocent until proven guilty in this country.
@MackiezMom:
@Covert- Really? First party testimony from a co-conspirator, in a murder-for-hire case is hearsay, and inadmissible? Hmmmmm.
Simply put… If it was that solid… Where’s the charges… Still waiting…..
@CovertCCW: The less you know, the less you know it.
please disregard if you already have this….
http://www.ktvl.com/articles/police-1196055-kyron-desiree.html
snip~
Desiree Young is living a nightmare. Her child, 7-year-old Kyron Horman, is missing.
But she’s not going through the pain alone.
She carries a small piece of comfort with her everyday, and she wears it around her neck.
“This is a police shield we got when Kyron went missing, it talks about strength and courage and I wear it everyday,” she said.
A fellow Medford Police Department officer drove to Portland when the search started around June 4th to give the family the shield.
Desiree says she hasn’t taken it off since.
((hugs to Desiree))
CovertCCW says:
July 7, 2010 at 10:18 pm
I agree with Futureman. I can smell you from here too.
please disregard if you already have this….
http://www.ktvl.com/articles/police-1196055-kyron-desiree.html
Desiree Young is living a nightmare. Her child, 7-year-old Kyron Horman, is missing.
But she’s not going through the pain alone.
She carries a small piece of comfort with her everyday, and she wears it around her neck.
“This is a police shield we got when Kyron went missing, it talks about strength and courage and I wear it everyday,” she said.
A fellow Medford Police Department officer drove to Portland when the search started around June 4th to give the family the shield.
Desiree says she hasn’t taken it off since.
((hugs to Desiree))
CovertCCW says:
July 7, 2010 at 10:18 pm
I agree with Futureman. I can smell you from here too!
@CovertCCW: did you read the definition of hearsay that I put up and then explained in simpler fashion? It doesn’t appear that you did. I don’t know why the rant in my direction, and I sure as hell wouldn’t call you “objective” and I’m saying that to you directly so that it won’t be hearsay.
I noticed that on THs FB pictures Kyron is simply “Kyron” but Kiara is “Kiara Horman”. A little thing. But I did not find one “nice” comment about Kyron, and thought that the monkey remark was snide. Even with his big “Settlers” day picture, this is the best she could do for him (and it’s almost all about her):
“He did well. I got 6 or 7 videos and several pictures of Kyron and other kids. The principal saw me taking all those pics and asked if he could have some for the yearbook.
Thanks for asking!”
Of course, I’m probably biased now, but I think if I’d seen those even before Kyron’s disappearance and all that’s happened, I’d have noticed a big difference between the way TH posted re: Kyron and Kiara.
And the pictures from the zoo that were posted in April, TH looks much thinner and less pasty/puffy there. Quite the change to only two months later. Odd.
Hmmm…I’m sitting here wondering about the weight gain. I think it’s very possible it could be due to stress or depression, that is if in fact Terri was feeling that way. Klaas posted a pic of Terri from probably 7-10 months ago (Kiara is definitely younger), she’s sitting with all 3 children. She is considerable slimmer. If, just maybe if, she discovered her husband was having an affair then it could explain the weight gain. Maybe that’s why she started working out again, complex about herself or something? Maybe Kaine & she agreed to work things out, etc…or maybe she never even told him she suspected him of cheating. Then maybe she decides to “get back at” him by starting her own affair, only it backfired. Maybe she really did say she wanted Kaine “taken out” but maybe she was being facetious & not really meaning it, only being sarcastic. Maybe Terri held a grudge bc she left her job to take care of his kid, had a baby girl by him, gave up her love of bodybuilding (if it’s truly one of her passions), then she 2nd guessed herself which made it build up even more. Maybe she took Kyron to get back at Kaine, possibly even killed him. Hopefully he’s alive, this is only hypothetical. I just don;t understand if he really is alive how somebody can’t feel guilty enough to return him to his family. Desiree & Tony appear to be wonderful people. I wish I could know more about Kaine. Terri is out there – sorry to all you Terri supporters but it’s how I feel. Still, I feel as though something’s off with Kaine.
Oh, and I want to know if the cops have his glasses and if they do, where did they find them? I don’t think they were mailed to him. If they had been mailed, the envelope they came in could have been disected right down to how much fiber was used to make the envelope, where it was made & where it was sold.
8:15-8:45 Kyron at school witnesses verify that time frame to be somewhere around the last time he is seen. Mother is seen earlier but still in same timeframe.
Sources say pings on Sauvie Island, sources say red mustang or white truck seen on Island, what car was she driving that day?
Obviously someone saw Terri, i.e. the babysitter, perhaps a vendor or two, but there are gaps in her story. She cannot account for her entire morning. Why one might ask? What would be the reason when it comes to the welfare and safety of your child? Would an affair be reason enough? Maybe in the beginning before her husband left but not now. She has lost rights to her children and her husband has left her. So why continue with the secrecy? Because there is a lot more than an affair going on here. To find the answer to that we have to look at her past. We have to look at what was going in her life the past year or so. So, she may not be perfect, or may do things some people find distasteful, but that is not what this is about. It is about her emotional being, what was going on inside her head. What did she feel about her relationship as a wife and a mother? Her face book is full of trivial posts, and virtual game playing, nothing that would indicate her true feelings. I believe Terri was good at hiding those feelings. I do not think Terri is a sociopath but borders some personality disorders. Terri is able to show empathy and emotions from what you can see. So what was going on? Was her life spinning out of control inside? Enough to want her husband dead, enough to do something as foolish as asking someone she barely knew to kill her husband? Is Terri capable of killing? Kyron is missing, and you have to ask yourself could this woman be responsible for this? I think if Terri was innocent she would espouse it. Her silence speaks loudly, and she knows she is being tried in the public eye, and her own family has abandoned her. The comments are cruel and Terri’s silence is her punishment to those that speak harshly against her, including her family. Terri can smother the public’s disdain with her own personal mute button. Perhaps we should all take a step back, and realize that we are not helping find this little boy with accusations and pre judgment. Maybe then we might evoke a little compassion from Terri. Maybe then we will find Kyron. This is just my opinion and observation on what I have seen so far.
Maybe possibly she is pregnant?!
49.Jackie Bauer
says:
July 7, 2010 at 7:10 pm
@mynamehere: Actually, I don’t get the MBP idea either, seems a stretch to me, but there has been some very good information on here re: both sociopaths and narcissists, and some good links for those not familiar (I cited a couple above). As I’m sure you know, both of those happen right next door (a figure of speech) and aren’t nearly so rare as MBP, unfortunately. In fact, the FBI criminal profilers were the ones I first read using the sociopath term re: TH (she’d kind of have to be if she did this, this=being MFH or hurt Kyron).
Jackie, This is my field of study. If Terri solicited murder for hire or kidnapped a child, neither of those actions necessarily make her a sociopath. What we have seen on her postings on FB do not line up w/ sociopathy. More facts are needed for an assessment and only LE has those facts. The media factor is lending to all of the so-called-experts who have no first-hand knowledge to speculate as to one individuals state of mind. Really reminds me of the Salem Witch Trials. Today, I feel very dirty for being involved in such speculation. I see the sensationalism in media today as problematic when it comes to “innocent until proven guilty”. It’s like a big dump on human rights. Freedom of speech was not intended to bring us back to the days of witch trials.
What would all do if she were actually innocent? Excuse their behavior by saying well, she’s a slut. I still don’t trust her. She made bad decisions; as though they themselevs never made a one? And still rightously point the finger as though none have their own vices?
Most commenting have a mob mentality and seemingly enjoy joining in on the personal attack and complete degredation of a complete stranger. I have seen the worst in human nature in this sad event. If so many are so quick to judge without hard facts, I wonder what category of personality disorder we would fit that into best. Let’s see; a sociopath has no care for others feelings. Many engage in such behavior to divert attention from themselves. Perhaps they feel more rightous by concerning themselves with others. I have few facts on this case. I believe everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I do not enjoy those with sadistic tendencies who peck like vultures on carrion.
Where is dear Kyron? What could we do to help find him?
donnab says:
July 7, 2010 at 11:01 pm
“Her face book is full of trivial posts, and virtual game playing, nothing that would indicate her true feelings.”
Clipped by me. Wow. That describes my FB. I have one as some people insisted. I hate many of the ideas of FB. The idea that my life should be open to anyone on the internet for one. I have people on my FB who are not close RL friends and they don’t need to know my true feelings. I don’t play virtual games, but, I guarantee you that 95% of my posts are trivial. I talk to my RL friends on the phone, or I PM some via FB. They know how I feel. And, yes, I know i can make some posts go only to some people, but, I don’t like to have to deal with that. So, I do it the way I do it. It works for me. If my hubby’s ex wife doesn’t get to know my true feelings, too bad. And luckily I have it locked down so the public at large will not see my FB.
I don’t think badly of TH for anything on her FB, which I saw in the days before she closed it. I have also seen screen shots someone made and posted on some blog. MTCW
Just saw something on the news tonight about UPS` apparently you can have anything shipped in a cardboard type suitcase to anywhere up to 85 lbs ~ & it is only under 20.00 for the cardboard box suitcase & only 77.00 to send it anywhere ~ She is such a computer freak maybe sh checked out all these avenues?
@covert- That is a good question. The guy likely has a questionable history, hence the need for corroboration. Doesn’t mean its not true. Doesn’t even mean she couldn’t be convicted on the evidence, thusfar. Logical reasoning causes me to conclude that the witness isn’t your Ward Cleaver type. Woulda been nice to get it on tape, but the set-up sounded uhm…as though it would be obvious to her. Too bad.
Interesting that Ky’s classmate Kurtis in TH’s FB photos of the science fair was the only child TH posted a photo of (taken in front of his red tree frog exhibit). Also found are photos of their family bowling outing – Ky, Kurtis, TH, KH, Kiara. Turns out Kurtis is the younger brother of Avery Villarreal and we’ve heard that name before. Couldn’t this be how TH found a “landscaper” to approach about the MFH plot?
Another thought about Tanner and his “pressor”. Maybe the Pumala’s are close enough neighbors/friends of TH that she could convince them to do this interview as damage control regarding the teacher and the absence/doctor appt. It certainly has muddied the water and exactly what I would expect of a person who is attempting to manipulate the press and public opinion.
@donnab: wish that you were correct about the compassion part. I’d sure be sweet online to TH if I thought it would bring Kyron home. But I do believe that she is withholding info and hurting Kyron, and there’s no empathy for that in my heart. If she were any kind of person at all, she’d be telling all to bring the little boy wonder HOME. And she isn’t doing that.
I don’t know what you know about sociopaths or ASPD but if you read up on it, you’ll find that sociopaths can show emotion “from what you can see”. Sociopaths show lots of emotions and they’re master manipulators, and getting pity is one of their greatest ploys. This ability to “show” emotion and play their victim–that’s what makes them so good–they just don’t actually feel the emotions. So I could be wrong, and she could really be a teddy bear at heart, just misunderstood and all, but since she isn’t helping to find Kyron, and she’s selfish enough to care about her own self and safety before that of a sweet little seven year old, then I find it really hard to believe that there’s much of a person in there. JMO.
But you may be right, and just in case you are:
<<<>>> to you TH! Now please start talking!
@mynamehere: Well, it may be your field of study, but there are other experts who disagree with you re: her & sociopath and you might consider that sociopaths can act like they care about others, they just don’t really. But they’re good players, and not easily spotted at first. So I respectfully disagree with you on this point, and I think that your information is incomplete on this. JMO.
Ginger I know what you are saying, my FB is the same way. I guess what I was trying to say is that none of us know how Terri really feels about things. She has not openly expressed them publicly on her social outlet etc. but was very active on them. Now she is silent. She has a lawyer,her mother and father, and maybe a few friends. The social outlet was important to Terri. I think she is somehow guilty in this. But I will leave all of that to LE at this point. I think the truth will come out, and if Terri ignores her lawyer and has a change of heart she may tell the truth.
@oneilgirl- I’m glad that you made it out. Recovery is a long haul. I’m still in contact w all of the people I mentioned. Though some have had bouts w depression and drug alcohol addiction (I have anxiety issues), I am grateful to know that none are child/spouse abusers, and that we all survived, and are loving people. Tough stuff.
No one knows what really goes on behind closed doors, except the people who are there. Based on the liited info we’ve been given, I don’t see the sort of indicators that I often see w abusive lifestyles. That is, of course, prior to June 4.
this should say:
HUGS to you TH! Now please start talking!
@hopalong do you have the photo link?
and what about that satan’s spawn myspace? Made me sick to my stomach when I saw that
Jackie I have read a few books, and had some personal experience with a few along the way in life. I am sure we all have. Other than that I don’t know much more about sociopathy. I guess I am hopeful because she appears to show care and concern for others whereas most sociopaths are more into themselves . Just wishful thinking that maybe Terri will have a change of heart. I have to hold out hope that she loves that Kyron. I know mothers are guilty of committing horrible crimes, it is just hard to fathom. I feel bad when I see an insect suffering and try to let them outside if they are trapped in my home. I don’t get it and hopefully never will.
@mynamehere: I should add, I’m not just one of those people who uses the word in a sentence, bandies it about because others have. I have first-hand experience dealing with a sociopath and I’ve seen the games played, lies told, emotions faked, responsibilities avoided, faux claims made, lives destroyed, and rage that ensues when the veil is lifted and the sociopath is cornered, so I know firsthand, and what is amazing to me is that no one gets it till it’s too late….
Gosh, Jackie Bauer, and I find myself agreeing with just about all of your posts. The comments Re: Kyron vs Kiara – yep, I think it’s quite noticable. I wonder if she was distancing herself without realizing it? Or could it have been intentional? I mean, why take the time to type if you’re not typing from the heart, or typing exactly what you mean. You can tell there’s “feeling” in her words when she puts a caption on Kiara’s pictures. Kyron’s captions, well…they just seem empty, like not void but “just there”. Weird. Maybe I’m missing something?
Going to bed. Early morning. Goodnight everyone. Let’s find Kyron.
@staccie/futureman: Is that name calling your resorting to? If so it’s laughable. nuff said.
@Jackie Bauer: My aren’t you over sensitive… I didn’t simplify anything. Maybe you should actually read and comprehend what I wrote to you. I thanked you for the definitions. I stated the facts as I see them. Nothing more. Furthermore, it must be the way LE see’s it at this point. FACT: She has NOT been charged with anything. FACT: She is not now, nor has ever been labeled as a suspect. FACT: No hard evidence, no confession, no body, NO CASE. Go ahead… dispute those facts… One by one if you like. That goes for anyone else as well. Since your so objective, and I, as you put it, sure as hell aren’t. Your example of hearsay by directly saying it to me reach levels of absolute moronic proportions. You seem to know so much I’m sure you have this case solved, right? Yeah… didn’t think so…..
@Mackizemom: Thank you for your rational reply. It’s greatly appreciated! Especially after getting several replies from these super sleuth armchair detectives and attorneys who think they’re far superior to everyone else. Again Thanks!
Am I late in noticing the interesting initial game in the family Kyron, Kiara, Kaine all KH’s.. I had a friend that did that with his 5 children they all had the same initials as he did all RG’s must be something to that..
@ Titch says:
July 7, 2010 at 10:08 pm
“My personal opinion is that Desiree filed for divorce bc she found out Kaine was cheating on her with Terri.”
Which is why for the first 1 1/2 (?) Desiree didn’t have contact with Terri.. I did that when my ex & I divorced over the cheating issue & he married the girl I wouldn’t speak to her for the longest of time & had no desire to.. And as far as “was KH cheating on Terri” there’s an old saying “its only hard to cheat the first time after that it gets easier”.. Could be he has a roving eye & wants to make sure he has something to go to should he decide to do another divorce.. JMO
@ adair says:
July 7, 2010 at 10:15 pm
“Whoever did it, had to know the schedule of Kyron’s life.”
How about an employee of the school ?
Ok my comment disappeared again and didn’t get posted! Geez that’s the third time. Ok, I was just saying that Terri or an accomplice could have easily both been on Sauvie Island with Kyron, but then Terri could have hidden/left her cell phone under a rock or whatever so it would continue to ping there, gone somewhere else with Kyron and then come back later for the phone before going home. So Kyron could be basically ANYWHERE in a maximum radius of within the time frame that Terri can’t account for.
Or suppose this is a kidnap/crazy person who has Kyron and saying to Terri, “if it even LOOKS like you’re cooperating with the cops, I’ll get rid of Kyron.” Eh. Could happen… You can’t dismiss anything or explain this case away with logic in any way because none of it so far has been logical. I still can’t even explain away to myself why Kyron was taken in the first place, because none of the theories really makes any sense.
Novice, this is the only one I have for you, and it posted.
B
NancyS says:
July 7, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Maybe possibly she is pregnant?!
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IIRC, the divorce papers that were already made public stated that Terri was not pregnant at the time of filing. I’m sure that has something to do with custody and child support issues.
Mynamehere, your post #29 resonated with me and I quite agree with your thoughts. There is a fine line between critical thinking and innuendo/speculation based on what we are seeing from isolated glimpses and images. Anything can be read into anything. I shudder to think that any one of us would be in such a situation as this family and have every action and muscle twitch analyzed by the public at large. Thank God we have trained law enforcement that are quite adept at processing information that we lack. Having said that, what has been factually sustained leads me to believe this woman (Terri) is responsible for Kyron’s disappearance. Diagnosing someone as a sociopath is much different than labeling someone as such based on limited information and requires a skilled professional.
@Titch says:
July 8, 2010 at 12:08 am
Gosh, Jackie Bauer, and I find myself agreeing with just about all of your posts
Well, now that’s a real compliment esp considering how you kicked some hiney on this latest story
THANK YOU! I’m sure you are just like I am–SO READY for Kyron to come home! I just feel for Desiree, Tony & Kaine so much, and I cannot imagine the heartbreak… so I can no longer say “if TH…” MOO but if she cared at all, had any heart or soul or conscience or true feeling or even common decency, she’d be telling everything. But no, she doesn’t. Anyway, thank you.
@Donnab: well, you make good points, and I have been known to save a spider. Just like I wrote to Titch above, I cannot believe TH has any heart at all at this point. The sociopath I knew too well could fake all the care in the world. Works in a noble profession. Fools so many people. And until his lies start to surface and they see what he’s stolen from them and lied to them about, they really like him. Then, once found out, he moves on. Anyway, hard for me not to see TH as pretending and discarding, and I’m afraid she has discarded our red tree frog expert and there is no way I can understand or forgive. I wish I were more like you, but right now, I really want to do a Jack B on TH and make her talk
@CovertCCW: you’re right, of course. A Louis Armstrong quote comes to mind right now…
I predict there will be a falling out between Kaine and Tony/Desiree when Desiree will try to getcustody of Kyron
@nana2: i was curious about the “k” naming thing, too, and I read online that it is a novelty thing and shows that the children are considered novelties sometimes. I guess there have been a few other cases, one with Ds as I recall, where the children all had the same name. Anyway, it was interesting, but don’t know if I’d stake my life on the theory. If I had the link I’d share. And who knows if the “novelty” info was even worth sharing, but at least you know someone else is out here going “hmmmmmmmm, all Ks… odd….. why?”
It’s nice not to be alone while we wait for Kyron to come home.