Kyron Horman Case: The Path From Suspect To Defendant Is Forged
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Portland, OR- The tangled web that is the life of Terri Horman continues to weave.
In an Exclusive development to blinkoncrime.com, a Portland local, declining to be identified, provides the bombshell revelation that Terri Horman was behind the 5:16PM call to 911 last June 26th.
The object of her “threat based” call to 911 requiring officers response?
The Landscaper, in his white truck, on her property, demanding his payment for $10,000.
The same Portland source confirmed that an undercover detective, playing the role of an associate of the landscaper turned alleged assassin, was present. It was also confirmed a bulk of the incident was overheard on the police scanner. The Truck registration and plate were called in on an open channel as well.
What they did not count on, during the surreptitious meeting, was that Terri Horman would shut down the brief meeting and call Police; thwarting what they were hopeful would end in an arrest.
Kaine Horman had been advised to remove the couples 18 month old daughter in advance, for their safety, earlier in the day.
Upon deputies arrival, as informed by Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office about the sting, detectives were forced to tell Terri Horman she was a suspect. Horman hired Stephen Houze, prominent Portland defense attorney by Monday June 28th.
The identity of the landscaper has been withheld as this is an ongoing investigation, but blinkoncrime.com has learned that it is contained in the sealed portion of the restraining order obtained by Kaine Horman.
blinkoncrime reader titch contributed research to this article
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Please come home Junior Frogman. Prayers for you, cutie
@myname- Soliciting people to kill one’s husband and/or participating in the abduction and possible murder of your step-child (who you’ve raised since infancy) seems to me anti-social behavior, if nothing else. I don’t want to get into mincing over labels. Whatever label one chooses to ascribe to these actions is less important than realizing that this type of behavior is often exhibited by people with personality disorders (borderline? narcissist?) and/or people who have experienced a psychotic break.
I think that Ms. Terri has, been on the edge before. That picture of her..the DUI mug shot…look at her eyes. I swear, she looks like she’s wired and drunk at the same time. I’ve seen it many times. The expression on her face. I think that she is self-destructive, and that she has a tendency to go over the edge. The significant weight gain since the birth of her daughter, the aging of her face, the behavior that is so far over the edge of normal, lead me to the conclusion that she likely had some severe underlying condition (I think she’s borderline and narcissistic, personally…JMHO), and that she had a psychotic break). I wouldn’t be surprised if the slip over the proverbial border was hastened by drug use. I understand how a woman who recently had a baby, put on some weight, felt badly about herself, found out her husband was cheating (which likely eroded her sense of self-worth, since she seems to use sex as a tool) might cause one to use … maybe …diet drugs? meth? psych meds? alcohol? a boyfriend? And that one or all of those things might have caused her to go over the edge. I don’t mean that she just snapped on the morning of June 4, but that she was losing it over time. The attempt to get someone to kill her husband, then what appears to be premeditated abduction (etc…) of Kyron.
Have you ever been around borderline or bi-polars when they’re using meth? It’s a guess…but that drug is prevalent in OR (ohhhhh yes it is), and if you’re really down, and you just CAN’T stand to be fat, sometiiiimes people partake of things they might not otherwise. If you add meth or diet pills, or some pysch meds to an underlying condition, such as BPD, you’ll aggressive, hostile, caustic behavior that people otherwise might not exhibit. Also, I just wonder… if she was taking an SSRI, and had an undiagnosed case of bi-polar disorder, it could send her into mania. I wonder if she has Kaiser. They openly state that their “first line of defense with depression is prozac or another anti-depressant from the SSRI family.” With my daughter, after the death of my son, they gave her (a teen) prozac. Though she is not bi-polar, there is a family history of some labile mood disorders. About 2 weeks after beginning the meds, I had to go down to the local store parking lot, where she was sobbing and talking rapidly, and freaked out. She was having a manic melt-down behind an SSRI. Some people are very sensitive to meds (prescription and otherwise).
Just to clarify, mine are opinions, based on the information available at this time.
#15 Titch…I had the same thoughts. Wondered if Kaine had cheated with Terri and that was the reason for his and Desiree’s divorce. The fact that Desiree didn’t speak to Terri for 18 months after the divorce does say something. On the other hand, maybe Desiree was still hurting or angry and wanted nothing to do with any new woman in her ex husband’s life at that time. Or maybe Kaine and Terri were having an affair and there was/is suspicion involved, but neither of them ever actually admitted the affair to their former spouses.
I agree also that it was pretty plain to see the difference in TH’s facebook posts about Kiara versus her posts about Kyron. In her posts on Kyron’s pictures, it seemed as if she was commenting on any little kid (a neighbor or a nephew) not a beloved child. However in her posts on Kiara, you can definitely tell that she loves this child.
I wonder why she gained so much weight in such a short time? steroids (illegal or legal)? pregnancy? depression? drinking? hypoactive thyroid? It’s rather unusual for someone to gain that much weight in only a few months…. especially someone who seemingly really cared about being in shape. Very odd….
35.Jackie Bauer
says:
July 7, 2010 at 11:51 pm
@mynamehere: Well, it may be your field of study, but there are other experts who disagree with you re: her & sociopath and you might consider that sociopaths can act like they care about others, they just don’t really. But they’re good players, and not easily spotted at first. So I respectfully disagree with you on this point, and I think that your information is incomplete on this. JMO.
Jackie, BECAUSE yours, mine and everyone but LE’s info is incomplete, no one can label her a sociopath. This IS my point. I am no expert, It is simply my field of study. I am completely aware of the traits of a sociopath. I only care to consider hard facts here. Here’s 1: Kyron is missing.
37.mackiezmom says:
July 7, 2010 at 11:56 pm
I think anxiety is par for the course don’t you! I have always said the same thing, you have NO idea what goes on behind closed doors. I love it when people say “ I know for a FACT” Oh really! You do? I would love to know what went on in the house prior to June 4th and I’m hoping we will have some idea in the very near future. Something that will bring Kyron HOME!
CovertCCW
Even if all that being said is true she is withholding information. She is NOT helping by giving the details of where she was during the morning when Kyron went missing. Don’t you find that absolutly terrible? She may be innocent, fine! But why wouldn’t you tell the LE your every move during the entire day willingly? Be forthcoming! I don’t get that. Do you? If she is innocent then give LE what they need so they can move on to find Kryon. I have been really pissed at my husband but I have never offered anyone $10K to kill him! Ummm, that is not normal! If she was just in a fit of rage and didn’t mean it when LE asked her about that she could have just said, I was mad when I said it to LS dude and I didn’t mean it and moved on, instead she asked for a lawyer immediately. That does not exactly scream I’m innocent. ummm, I’m just saying. They are trying to find Kyron and she is thinking lawyer (guilty) already. Not good. Explain to me how this makes sense. She can’t account for her time and she was deceptive in her lie detector test regarding Kyron. Just because they have no case does not make her innocent it just means she is not helping bring this case to closure and telling everything she knows to BRING KYRON HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And that is all we want is to bring Kryon home. That is what this is all about! Get it? Its about Kyron!
NancyS #28
pregnant !!!
OMG. That post hit me. Now that would be something!
@NancyS says:
July 7, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Maybe possibly she is pregnant?!
The divorce filing states she is not pregnant.
@smithy says:
July 7, 2010 at 11:58 pm
@hopalong do you have the photo link?
and what about that satan’s spawn myspace? Made me sick to my stomach when I saw that.
Here’s the link to Kurtis’ pic on FB – log in first to view. You should be able to see the rest of the albums. A previous Blinker posted the links – don’t ask me which page it was on!!
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365627&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640042016
I copied most of them from the site just in case they disappeared -including the titles. I don’t think they were nearly as snarky as previously commented. They were also shared or copied by DY and TH mom. Looking at these photos felt like I was inside their lives and home. They seem like a normal family – from the pictures at least.
Agreed, the Myspace page is disturbing from someone with a baby daughter and a girlfriend. TMI on how that baby was conceived as well – yuck. Did a check and found no criminal record…shoots down my theory of drugs/theft/etc. unless it was juvie?
PS I could have been a Smithy too!
Haven’t read the last days of posts. Tried, but got confused. My problem, no one elses. Could everyone slow down? Bahhaaa Just Kidding. Tis what keeps events unfolding. All the posters have been thought provoking and wonderful. I will read now. I’m way too behind too comment. This is a compliment to “BlinkonCrime” and the Posters”. Praise Be To You All!
Be back after I read and learn more from here than anyother website. Hugs, KL
Why would Desiree have to make Kyron’s bed when he hasn’t been there for weeks before June 4–if this planned visit was really every other week–he wouldn’t have been there since mid May…? Just saying…
although I don’t necessarily suspect her of anything…
I was referring to her saying she can’t bring herself to make his bed; she likes it to look like he’s slept in it…In case anyone was
confused. thanks.
I noted that MackiezMom, and I believe a couple of other posters, mentioned that Kyron would stay in his bed all day at times, or wouldn’t get up until someone fetched him. Can you point out where this was reported from? That really bothers me too. Sure, a kid may be shy at school, but to be that withdrawn in his own home, is not normal for a little 7 year old boy. They are usually up and full of energy and running around. Maybe a teenger might be sullen and sleep all day, or stay in their room all the time. But that is just not normal at Kyron’s age. Who was he avoiding? Why was he (possibly) depressed? How often was he ill? Does he have any fishy history of unexplained illnesses or injuries? I think that Munchhausen Syndrome by Proxy has more to do with medical issues. It would involve the caretaker seeking attention (medical) by making up symptoms, or somehow causing a child’s illness. Unless there is that type of medical history, I wouldn’t say that abducting your child would classify at all as being related to MSP.
She appears to be a narcisist, and whether or not she has NPD, I’m not sure. To be a body builder, takes up a lot of time. It takes many hours each and every day, especially for a woman, since our bodies are made up of more fat, in order to nurture children, to get your body to look like that. It’s a free country, and it’s her right to invest her time in that, if she so wishes. I’m just saying that it takes up an huge amount of time every day working out, and gazing at oneself in the mirrior, in order for someone to look like that. Now, like I said some people like that kind of thing, and it’s a free country. My dad lifted weights when he was younger. He spent all of his off hours from work, many hours a day, working out. Now he had large muscles, but it wasn’t like every muscle in his body was well defined. Even for a man to get like that, they more often than not are not working full time because working on their bodies takes up all their time. Also, keep in mind, it takes women a lot more time to get that well defined because of the differences between our bodies from that of men’s like I mentioned above. Are all body builders mean or abuse/kidnap kids–I’m not saying that at all. I’m just saying it takes a huge amount of self love and self focus as well as conceit.
mynamehere says:
July 7, 2010 at 11:24 pm
I really appreciate your comment and I feel the same way about this situation.
There was another missing person here in my town in Oregon 6 yrs ago, — I wasn’t even on internet sites then but just through the news we all thought we knew who was responsible. Turned out to be a random abduction/murder and was only discovered years later when the guilty party confessed after he was convicted of another crime. I learned my lesson with that experience.
Blink. you have too many new posters that are getting nasty with one another. ;o(
Not seeing that Starsky, but I will keep my eyes open.
B
something occured to me…TH called the school to find out when she could pick up the Science Fair project. I’ll bet she needed a pretty big container (bag,box) to carry it all out of the school in. My question is: When and how did she pick it up (if at all…)?
Titch I agree with you, I believe Kaine was having an affair with Terri back then, hence the statement it took her 13 months to talk to her. Desiree is strong and she is also not one to air dirty laundry. I thought she handled the press conference very well. I can see her pain and I wonder if Terri also had a resentment for Desiree? Did Kyron prefer to be with his real mom etc. Good to see some of you down there in Monkeys. I am Newfie down there. Any way.. Great posts and theories on both sites. I pray the truth comes out soon. My heart wants to hold on to hope that Kyron is alive.
“Maybe possibly she is pregnant?!
The divorce filing states she is not pregnant.”
Kaine sought the divorce without TM’s knowledge, how can he state with certaintly that she is not pregnant?
I am going to refrain from trying to psychoanalyze the mind-set of the adults in this case, but I will say that there is allot of risky behavior going on within the home of where Kyron was being raised. If it is true that KH and TH were into a “swingers life-style”, then that right there speaks volumes to me. There is a certain amount of risky behavior that is required to step out of the realm of a marriage unit and expose oneself to others coming between a husband and wife. The door opens wide to let in all sorts of other people who are involved in risky behavior too and not just in the sex department. When there are children involved, the life-style of the parents can indeed affect the children – both psychologically and physically. Who knows what kind of evil will walk through the door and perpetuate a crime against innocents in the family unit because of the risky behavior of the parents? Boundary lines were crossed by both KH and TH. Just sayin’ – perhaps it trickled down to Kyron in this case in some way, shape or form.
@nana2 July 8, 12:18 a.m.
I leaned toward a school employee early on. It just made sense, and I did not want to believe TH had anything to do with Kyron’s disappearance. I even thought he was hidden in the building somewhere. I hope everyone/everything at the school was checked into and accounted for by now, as they told the public it was an isolated incident,and not a danger to the community, basically. But as the investigation went on and some of the facts have come out about the hitman plot and the lack of cooperation on TH’s part..well it is walking like a duck, and quacking like a duck. So it is probably a duck. I think it is right there for us to see, unfortunately. Especially since Tony Young asks us all to connect the
dots. I just wish the dots would lead Kyron home.
I am a step-mom and I also have a fb account in which I post minimum pictures of my step-children. I do this out of respect for their biological mom (who has her own fb account). Even though I love them, I don’t feel its my place to splash their faces all over the internet and comment as if they were mine – to me that would have been very disrespectful to DH. In fact, I feel I should ask permission to do so. Not sure she would have felt that way since their situation is very different, however, could explain the difference between her postings of the two kids.
My only point is not to place too much time on the difference in fb postings.
Actually, the petition for divorce states that Kaine is not pregnant. Obviously an error.
@ adair says:
July 8, 2010 at 9:17 am
Since TH was a SAHM if she wanted Kyron to go missing she could have picked any time or any place especially one where there were no witnesses.. I keep asking why would she pick the school where she could possibly run the risk of being seen doing something or being somewhere in the school were she shouldn’t have been that’s the part that makes no sense to me at least.. Too many witness possibilities not worth it just for an alibi when you’re leaving everything up to chance.. Also Kyron’s desk mate who made a statement about a ‘sub teacher in the room’ & the principal states there was no sub teacher on Fridays only Monday-Thursday.. While most want to shrug off this child’s account I think since this was such a special day with so much special activity going on his recall of events is probably better than most because he’s absorbing everything.. While this child may not be referring to the regular ‘sub teacher’ he might associate another adult in the room as a ‘sub teacher’ & a child might think that way.. I think & its just my opinion that this landscaper story is a separate issue.. And there are too many dots for me in this story to connect its almost like the balloon boy story except this child is gone way too long..
@ DiDi says:
July 8, 2010 at 5:00 am
That statement about Kyron staying in bed until someone fetched him was actually said in a news conference held by the bio mom & bio dad & actually the bio dad said it but bio mom nodded in agreement.. I shook my head when he said it because I found that quite unusual for a 7 yr old boy or girl; it made me think that the child might have been punished a lot.. If I can find the interview I will post the link it was one where they were describing Kyron..
Thanks, Squash…you took the words wight out of this stepmom (and bio-mom)’s mouth.
I’m not defending TH or anyone else involved in this case, but I can’t imagine undergoing such scrutiny on the Interwebs by strangers. My first year of college experience alone is enough to prevent any political aspirations I might ever have had, IYKWIM! Methinks some are making implausible jumps in logic.
Of course, I could be wrong.
right out
Miz Blink, when are we going to see something new in this case? Are you working on anything new?
The drastic physical change in Terri over the past six months might be a big clue to this case. She has gone from attractive to down right frumpy in such a short time. Something was going on there that was not good. I think appearances were important to her so this is more than curious. Alcohol? Drugs? Something real anyhow. Also if the mfh is true, it’s also the same time line for her disinergration.
@mynamehere: I see your point, and if you look at my comments from the beginning, you’ll see that I did give TH the benefit of the doubt, using qualifiers, etc. And I think you’ll also notice that I have not gotten overly-emotional-mob-mentality-esque anywhere. It’s not my nature. HOWEVER, it is in my nature to be hypercritical of any “adult” who, for whatever selfish reason, is not sharing information that could help a child come home to safety, or worse case, at least be found.
It seems that by DY & TY & KH & o/t/r LE accounts, TH is not helping, but is instead protecting herself. That behavior is contemptible, and I personally do not believe that a caring, thoughtful human, much less a caring, thoughtful human who took care of a child for 7 years, could withhold that information ANY other way than some severe personality disorder, and most of the experts say sociopath, and it fits what I know.
So yes, we have different opinions, and yes, her specific character pathology is a call I can’t make with 100% certainty because I don’t know her, but yes, it’s still an opinion based on facts I know and expert analysis I’ve heard, so it’s not purely emotional evaluation. It is fact-based, just doesn’t line up with the experience you’ve had or what you believe
So I stand by this:
IF TH has information that can bring Kyron home, and IF she is not sharing it, and IF she was responsible for his disappearance, and IF she’s saving her own self instead of his, she deserves the very worst, and if that is mob-mentality and being overly judgmental, I apologize in advance, and assure you I’m generally not like that, but Kyron has struck a real chord. And if the accounts of her behavior, (particularly the latest accounts of MFH, withholding info) are true, sociopath would explain it certainly.
On another note: does anyone have a link to Tony Young’s “dot” statement? I have searched for it, and cannot find it anywhere.
Please let Kyron be found today.
There is such an incredibly low bar for parental supervision these days, it would have been very easy for Terri to kill Kyron and make it look like an accidental drowning or fall or any of a multitude of horrible accidents. That is why the whole pretend to take him to school murder plot seems off to me. I think Kyron was not Terri’s intended victim but he was a collateral victim of her idiotic plans against Kaine and/or her involvement in something illegal and destructive. Sadly, to an addict (if she was one), kids become an afterthought.
And on the other hand, it occured to me again this morning that from the defense perspective, the prosecution doesn’t appear to have much to link Terri to Kyron’s disappearance. In fact, I believe just recently LE said they do not even have any evidence that Kyron has been killed. All they know is that he is gone. We really have to remind ourselves every so often of how little we really do know in this case. However corrupt any of the persons of interest or suspects may be, it is all about what the prosecution can prove. So far, no arrest. So there must not be a whole lot of evidence in their arsenal to date.
Hi Blink
I enjoyed the radio last night
what some one said about DNA testing
taking weeks
and other tests made sense why this seems so
slow
I am glad I listened
Q. Kaine’s answering questions by email. Does he not want profilers to “read” his face?
Q. Is it possible they are both involved on some level (Kaine and Terri)? At times, It appears as if LE is pitting them against each other.
If LE is waiting for either to “crack” it isn’t going to happen is they really are narcissists
I don’t know if I can post links as I use my phone
for all this but last night I found the text
of her FB
there were so many friends praying for the
family and getting posters out on Kyron
I was amazed
@Didi: I was the one who brought up the “staying in bed comment”. Pretty sure it was from the June 18th interview Kaine and Desiree did with Mike Donahue of KOIN. The video of that interview is up on their website, though I read that it has been edited so I don’t know if that comment is still there. The comment was made by Kaine as an example of how Kyron couldn’t have wandered off by himself. He was so timid that he would get out of bed until you came for him.
It stood out to me because it fit with other things I noticed about Kyron, especially that loud noises bothered him and the baggy clothes. As a child I was hypersensitive, with poor eye-hand coordination and other manifestations of a sensory processing disorder. During a birthday party at Ferrell’s in Portland, I, age 6, retreated to the car because the sirens scared me so much. And dang it, I passed it on to my son! My son was very much like Kyron – didn’t like certain noises, would only wear certain clothes, avoids new people, has had some trouble in school. The reason I noticed Terri’s photo comment about Kiara’s “perfect finger placement” while coloring was that it was an issue for my son. My son’s second grade teacher grew frustrated with him because he could add, subtract, multiply and divide several numbers in his head but would refuse to write. She suggested a full evaluation of him. I actually broke down in tears when I told my son’s teacher that our insurance wouldn’t pay for treatment. That’s the first thing I thought of when I read that there was a doctor appointment scheduled and the teacher needed to fill out paperwork.
A big however, however. Desiree said in her Medford presser on Tuesday that she misses Kyron coming out of his room in the morning to see her. Sounds like he behaved differently at mom’s house.
I can relate to Terri’s rapid weight gain as well. I put on about 30 pounds in two years because my doctor decided to treat my thyroid problem with Prozac. It went like yes, the ultrasound shows you have a goiter, but your TSH levels are normal, so you must just be depressed. The combo of hypothyroidism and Prozac is a sure weight gain cocktail. Not saying this is what happened to Terri, but I can relate.
If the RO is unsealed today, do you think the landscaper’s name will be blacked out to protect his ID?
Only if ordered to do so, and then yes.
B
14.Starsky says:
July 8, 2010 at 7:40 am
Blink. you have too many new posters that are getting nasty with one another. ;o(
Not seeing that Starsky, but I will keep my eyes open.
B
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Observation: I’ve notice that I myself am more grumpy on this case than on others. And I agree with Starsky that the tone of posters on this case (impatience, anger, calling out others, alliance forming, bickering over who thought of an idea first, etc) is definitely higher pitched than on the other cases. In part, BOC is growing in readership and so new people don’t know the rules of the blog or don’t plan to stick around so they don’t care, and in part, this case is particularly frustrating in lack of information so it brings out the best and the worst in us.
I’ve been here since Caylee Anthony disappeared and I’ve seen some turn over in posters, probably because these cases bring a daily torment to those of us who follow them. I have stuck around because Blink runs the site well and the contributors are respectful as a result of the way she runs the site. And I think most of the posters of old are still here, but are remaining quiet while others speculate. (I wish I had their restraint some times!)
On that note, I’d like to apologize to those I’ve called out and to those I’ve offended when I’ve gotten frustrated with this case. We all want the same thing–to bring this sweet baby home and to give him justice. The rest matters very little.
Malty, I like how you post in short verse. I always feel like I am reading a haiku. :O)!!!!
@Jackie Bauer: here is hyperlink regarding “connect the dots”
http://www.katu.com/news/97904344.html
She doesn’t look pregnant to me. She looks like she has coke bloat. Not uncommon at all for new moms to turn to meth or coke to help lose baby weight and up their energy levels…although newbies often don’t realize that puffing up is a distinct possibility.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=coke%20bloat
Plenty of example pics of it via Google, too.
Just a thought while I’m on that scrutiny wagon I was just talking about.
There is no evidence of drug use I am aware of. I really dont want to start down this road- let’s agree her appearance has changed drastically over the last 6 months, for unknown reasons.
B
@Jackie Bauer
Here is the link to Tony and Desiree where he says the connecting the dots statement.
http://www.kval.com/news/local/97904344.html?tab=video
I’m a big supporter of KISS: keep it stupid simple, however I might deviate alittle from that.
I always thought SM planned this for months. So maybe, just maybe part of the plan was to “fake” a hit for hire and leave just enough clues to point to the LS so LE can find him on their own and then she can blame him.
@Jackie Bauer
This KGW raw video has the “connect the dots” statement made by Tony. This video is a Q&A session w/Tony & Desiree. It was filmed right after the official statement video w/Desiree’s plea to Terri to “Do the right thing…do it for Kiara”. It’s heart wrenching.
http://www.kgw.com/video/featured-videos/Raw-Desiree-Young-talks-about-Kyron-97951209.html
35.Twinkletoes says:
July 8, 2010 at 11:21 am
Malty, I like how you post in short verse. I always feel like I am reading a haiku. :O)!!!!
________________________
I so agree!! I love malty’s prose style.
nana 2 july 8 @ 10:20 a.m.
All good points..and I considered Tanner’s statement for a long time, too. Since the school and it’s employees don’t seem to be a target in this investigation, I think LE just followed evidence down a different path. But this is what I (and others) wondered at the time: Maybe the “sub” that Tanner saw was TH? Did she sub at Skyline Elementary? Did Tanner know her as a neighbor, or Kyron’s Step-mom instead, and would not have considered her a teacher? That would put an end to that thought. Hiding in plain sight? Too obvious? If she was seen, that was good for her. She could be accounted for. See, that is what is bothering me, too, I can’t come to terms with her doing it that day, a busy day, when he was going to leave after school, and would be gone on trips with his Dad and then with Desiree and Tony. It was likely someone who knew his schedule, or was told by someone, but exactly who? And why? Was it something someone put into motion, but could not stop? I honestly can’t grasp it.
The landscaper issue is a tough one to explain away, if it is a separate issue, and I hope it is. I said a few pages back that if her marriage was ending, or there was an affair on Kaine’s part (pure speculation), and she felt she could not compete, and thought she was losing everything, she might try to hurt him in the worse way possible; if not hiring someone to hurt/kill him, then by hiring someone to take his child. Not her children, his. It is just my opinion, though, and I so want to be wrong. I really do….
I keep hoping Kyron is let go like the little girl in Missouri yesterday. Prayers for Kyron, and a break in the case soon.
I don’t post too often on her – mostly read comments but thought I’d just chime in here for a sec.
#50 – The name thing as you mentioned, with the Ds that comes to my mind right away – the Duggar family with 19 kids – each and every one of them, both girls and boys, has their names starting with a “J.” That has really got to be confusing. Jeremiah, Jedediah,Joshua, etc.
I do know some families where it’s quite common to name all the girls with one letter or all the boys with another letter.
Regarding diagnosing and analyzing:
Though my job is to analyze and diagnose (and I do it well), I find it incredibly difficult and humbling. Even after meeting with someone … for hours, days, weeks … it is a hard thing to slap a diagnosis on someone. A diagnosis of “sociopathy” (even though there exists no such diagnosis in the diagnostic manuals) requires knowledge of not just current behaviors and emotional functioning, but also of developmental/childhood behavior. Even less “negative” diagnoses (ADHD, anxiety disorders, etc) are often difficult to make. There is a great deal of overlap in diagnoses (i.e., the same symptoms can indicate any of a number of diagnoses).
How do I make sense of it? I try as quickly as possible to remember that a diagnosis is a WORD. The reason we try to come up with a diagnosis (other than for insurance claims) is to hopefully guide treatment or intervention. If we figure out what’s going on with a person, we know better how to proceed.
Though I would not be ready to diagnose sociopathy in TH, Jackie’s point is this: Do not be fooled by any facade of loving/nurturing educator. There are too many signs of aggressive, dangerous, and self-focused actions. I think that’s a reasonable point.
Though I would not be ready to label Kaine as a “control freak”, the point is this: He’s a man whose presentation is what he wants it to be. In a family with lots of emotion, he appears to be the more controlled one. This can be an asset; it can be a liability. We know that fragile, insecure, narcissistically injured people are oftentimes attracted to controlling partners. Until the controlling partner makes them feel crazy.
Though I would not be ready to label Desiree as “suicidal” or the “poor thing” innocent party, the point is this: She is the person who elicits the most public empathy and the one, therefore, who is most useful in the media.
I am not in law enforcement and I know nothing about solving crimes (even after years of watching Law & Order, Without a Trace, etc). I suspect, however, that psychological analysis of the parties plays a pretty minor role in the solving of most crimes. Facts will solve this crime.
Psychological analysis will simply make us feel more safe afterward.
Unfortunately, if we’re not on the detective team, we are simply without most facts.
There are so many facts, I wish we knew. I hope LE has those facts at hand.
#36 twinkletoes
LOL
I am over 70 and never was a great student
of spelling etc
so I keep it short
trying to do this on a phone besides is a bit
hard
I do enjoy all the people here
and hope every day kryon is OK
this is the most I have posted since Ashley
Pond Which happened on my side of town
My husband is an ex body-builder. (He did not use steroids). He saw the pics of SM as a body-builder and if course noticed the shape of her when she worked out. Then he saw a pic of her – present day and his explanation of her appearance was that she’s NOT working out anymore and that is what happens to the body if you’re not working out 24/7 anymore. Everything sags. He is in his sixties now, and even he admits this is what happened to him. lol Simple as that.
maybe Kyron wasn’t “allowed” to get out of bed at Dads house until summoned..control issue??
@ annetteaa1 says:
July 8, 2010 at 11:10 am
And there have been some body language people out there doing their type of analysis of the family also.. To me TH always looks like she’s scared to death of someone, like a child cowering in the corner..
The KGW.com video with the Young’s just heart wrenching!! This is a glimpse of a real loving Mother and Stepfather grieving, caring and begging for help to find their son. Mudslinging, as DY called it, she won’t do and isn’t bashing (yet) TH and I respect them so much for being such upstanding people at a time like this. I must admit I would not be able to bite my tongue or hold back my anger or frustration. Sometimes I think you can just tell who is genuine and who isn’t. The Anthony family doesn’t possess an ounce of integrity compared to the Young family.