Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Grand Jury Meets, Indictment Imminent
Portland, OR- In the case of missing 7-year-old Portland child Kyron Horman, developments today continue to unfold at lightening speed.
During a poorly-kept secret convening of a special grand jury that is in session today, sources inside the investigation believe it’s triers of fact will return an indictment against Terri Horman and possibly one other individual.
It is however, unclear as to whether or not the grand jury is hearing evidence in the alleged murder for hire plot MCSO informed Kaine Horman his wife had master-minded, OR evidence surrounding the disappearance of Kaine and Desiree Young’s son Kyron.
KOIN caught Terri Horman’s friend DeDe Spicher, who was subpoenaed to appear in the proceedings this morning, on video with her attorney, entering the courthouse. Spicher was the subject of a public plea asking her to cooperate with investigators by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young last week. A neighbor of Spicher’s has confirmed the FBI has been seen removing boxes and unknown bagged material from her residence.
According to several sources, DeDe Spicher, Terri’s roommate post Kaine’s restraining order, was working in a garden near the Horman home the day of Kyron’s disappearance when she received a call at approximately 11:15 am. She left abruptly, returning at approximately 1:00 pm. DeDe was unreachable on her cell phone during that time and the property owner became concerned. Spicher is a long time friend and workout companion of Horman’s.
Earlier today, Laura Rackner, Kaine Horman’s Family Law attorney filed a motion to find out where the funds are coming from to foot the bill for Terri Horman’s high profile criminal defense attorney, Stephen Houze.
In Horman’s motion, he is seeking the disclosure of the payments made to Houze, and whether or not it came from marital funds. If it has, Kaine Horman wants half the cash to pay his own legal bills. Kaine Horman alleges that Terri Horman disclosed to a third party that she paid a whopping $350,000 retainer to Houze, however, provided no proof of same in the papers filed today.
In what appears to be a media timing coup, tonight’s episode of Dateline NBC will feature Kaine Horman, Desiree and Tony Young, with interviews and coverage of Kyron’s disappearance.
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office Public Information Officer, Mary Lindstrand, has announced a press conference tomorrow at the MCSO Training Facility, beginning at 2:00 pm PST.
blinkoncrime editor Madeline Tanner contributed to this report
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@Rich M said: On a side note, I just read the court documents that Kaines lawyer sent to the court and just about danced across the room. Go get her Kaine! Good for him!
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Can you point me there Rich? Thx
@4.KB in OR says:
August 16, 2010 at 6:47 pm
@Phyl-Losing a child is the worst possible pain you can ever experience…. even when it is no one’s fault. Eight years later I still struggle with it every day.
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KB, I can’t imagine. I’m so very sorry for your loss.
I have a 6 and and an 8 year old boy so Kyron wrapped himself around my heart immediately. On top of that, he is just so very small. His little hands and tiny arms, he is just so small and sweet. He breaks my heart with his generous easy smile.
I have never followed anything like this either but I can’t stop thinking about him and am so grateful to blink for this site and her insight and dedication. And to all the other contributors, thank you. BTW, where are you twinkletoes? futureman?
Oops Blink, I think I accidentally noted private on this one and didnt mean to send it private. So here it is again. (Sorry and thanks.)
@Newsatfive: I think a 350K retainer is far more significant than a pair of pink panties. I think Kaines lawyer was under an obligation to make that request and it was a valid one that will indeed move it forward. I read the details of the filing and I feel its perfectly valid to say that there is no telling how long the case will be drawn out, and TMH excuse of “I am under intense scrutiny by media and LE” just puts everyones life at a standstill based on HER and HER needs.
IF she really wanted visitation, then she needs to move forward with proceedings, not cause further delay to them as she has done. And if I were Kaine, in light of his son being missing and Terris attempt to abduct Kiara from the gym, I would in no way trust her OR her parents. JMHO
Regardless of who trusts whom, the case needs to move forward and not simply be put on hold indefinitely as her lawyer has tried to suggest. There is currently a restraining order and until that is legally removed, everyones hands are tied as far as visitation (supervised by the state/county/whatever or not).
YOu said it yourself: The same scenario works in the reverse: If dad sucks, the kid still needs to see dad, unless there is a threat to the child’s psychological well being or physical safety that cannot be overcome by restrictions and/or supervision on parenting time.
TMH put out a supposed hit on baby girls father. TMH tried to kidnap her from daycare at gym. I consider that a serious threat. The judge didnt give an ex parte for giggles. There was a darned good reason. I do not see him threatening to cut the hand off here. I am seeing him petitioning the court to move forward instead of let it linger in the wings indefinitely as the abatement request would attempt to do.
MOO
22.Eloise says:
August 16, 2010 at 9:39 pm
10.Malty says:
Uhoh.
Will check it out.
B
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I didnt think that sounded like you!
I know who it sounded like though
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agreed E!
@newsatfive: One more thought about your comment about Rackner just being one of those lawyers to just push paperwork through and get paid heavily for doing it.
Have you considered that the abatement (essentially saying in the court document that it be abated up to two years plus 30 days or something like that) there will be NO further discussion about other terms of the divorce “without mutual consent” (that means visitation and separation of assets etc.) If you have 2 years of having to pay a lawyer thats a heck of a lot more money from what I can tell vs a quick divorce.
Why protract the process?
I believe also that if TMH is going to request attorneys fees from KH and yet magically has 350K to pay Houze, he is well within his rights to know the source of that money. She cant say she is unemployable or unemployed if she has a pending book deal. This would affect the ability of TMH to pay child support (should KH get custody.) This would affect his ability to sell his house and move if he wanted. There is mention of lack of a living will (I forget the legal term used but it was in the filing from yesterday). What if some bozo tries to knock her off or she gets injured in a car accident and now KH is the one legally responsible for making medical decisions on her? EFF THAT. If I were him in that case…well, nevermind.
There are many different aspects relating to the separation from a legal standpoint that should not be ignored.
(Dont take it personal newsatfive. I was merely responding to your comment since it was up there but I have heard teh same sentiments in other places.)
MOO
I am thinking similarly to Eloise -Where did that money come from, I am hearing hints or more that Terri did have her own “business.” Yes, what do women do when they get older and have used their sexual attraction as leverage or money, directly or indirectly? Even the supermodels start their own businesses. And if your college degree plan didn’t work out…..A simple explanation for things (not the only one here tho) is always money, money was involved somehow, perhaps even some ransom was paid already, or ante is upped? If Kyron was to be “kept” was there a financial plan for that? I don’t have the specific answer, I just know somehow money is involved and maybe talking $$$$$. So probably Kaine asking is not just a financial divorce question, but part of the criminal aspect.
As far as evidence, I wonder if it was thought to take Baby K’s clothes or was everything possible in that house just happened to be washed that day? And truck too of course. We did hear there was clothes washing. Also it would have been worth it to take Kiara to a play therapist, she is a little young, but I know 2 yr.olds have had a go, to just see if anything comes out of it. See her behavior with little figures and sand or other toys. Also for her to relieve the stress.
Isn’t the statement now LGBQT for those of other gender persuasions (maybe I have the initials’ order mixed up) . There is now even a set that are sometimes called “the third gender,” for people who don’t want to commit to one or the other.
He melissab, thanks for the help “over there”!
I have noticed recently that the national news no longer covers the kyron horman case, the parents are no longer in front of the camera’s like they were. Their talking about moving the “wall of hope’ Personally, i still check everyday but not like i did. Its starting too slow down because we learn to deal with ‘ life must go on’ in order to survive. I just hope something cracks to bring this case back in the limelight, we should all be as angry as we were the day he was taken. The theories are ridiculous and movie-like, we want to hold onto hope but the truth is always not that glorious. i think SM took him and disposed of him, I don’t think she told anyone of her plans and if there was a 2nd person involved something would’ve cracked by now. she did it on her own and had no plans of telling a soul, there’s no record of emails, just weird cell phone pings as she was carrying out the act. thats it, end of story, we just need to figure a pathway to find out where he is and the key is getting her to crack. i was convinced when she came out for the first press conference, she looked at us like there is no hope, he is dead and I will never tell my story. everyone around her is denial about her or what she’s capable of. Its so sad this boy didn’t deserve any of this.
Yeah, I dont think KH’s motive for asking about funds soley has to do with marital funds. Just funds- like where did you have ANY $, since you have been unemployed for X years. It really is the question of he day from everybody I would think.
Latest people mag interview with dede:
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20413527,00.html
Defending Terri but not one comment about the horror of missing Kyron.
What I don’t think someone like Terri could anticipate is how this crime, if she is indeed guilty, is going to weigh on her over time. It’s probably safe to say she has never done away with a person prior to this event. That’s the part of it that may work against her, eating her alive if she turns out to have any conscience at all. She may have gotten rid of the kid as planned, but I cannot believe she doesn’t see his face when she closes her eyes at night. When the media attention fades, that is what she will be left with.
@cbickel: I’m confused. I thought Tanner said the “sub” was a FEMALE. IF so, that’s okay. But I thought you were trying to tie it into a male Kyron-snatcher?
With what I’m sure was the school’s attempt to damage control, plus the confusion for all the kids with the 2 days of science fair set-up and then THE DISAPPEARANCE OF A CLASSMATE I just don’t know how to gauge that whole thing.
I’ve always been unclear about Tanner’s g’ma’s putting him on TV right away and her motives there. (Good to see you enjoying a good MOO here and there. I let one out around the house, when alone, on occasion. Beats a mantra for me!)
Gotta hear more actual evidence about that day at the school. I know how much the school would need to do damage-control, so I want to hear what comes out under oath, especially from adults.
@Christy and whomever is interested:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kaine_hormans_lawyer_files_tex.html
The sexting is shown below with the 350K pricetag for House and the link out at the top of the article *should take you to the actual court filings.
I’m not concerned about the supposed $350K. For 2 reasons:
1. Attorneys rarely get paid up front. That money can come later on, from income due to media sales TH makes. (Even more lucrative if she is, in fact, innocent.) Attys. always wait. Blink said Houze was out getting a feel for TH’s prospective market right away. Before he would’ve had too much time into it.
2. Why do we all want to discount everything TH says, saying “She lies; consider the source.” Yet when it comes to this we want to believe her?? It fits our theory here, that’s why. MAYBE she lied to Cook about the $.
@ beejay
I’ve always been unclear about Tanner’s g’ma’s putting him on TV right away and her motives there. (Good to see you enjoying a good MOO here and there. I let one out around the house, when alone, on occasion. Beats a mantra for me!)
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You are killing me. My back is acting up ang I let out such a laugh….ouch!
I’m curious if Terri has told her Mom and Dad the “truth”
I guess B’s scolding really had an impact on ‘snapoutofit’—she deleted her profile from Intense Debate. Well, *sort of*. The profile and comments she made are still there minus the screen name and gravatar/photo.
I wonder if she set up a new profile under screen name of ‘malty’????
LOL
Here’s the link to her (now deleted) profile, if anyone is interested:
http://intensedebate.com/people/deleted4270911
@newsatfive & @Rich M
I really enjoyed reading both sides of your discussion. Brought out two fair perspectives.
I have tried and am still trying to keep an open mind about Terri. But the primary reason I’ve had a difficult time believing Terri all along is Tony Young. He is LE with the experience and the tools. For him to come out, even though he has a very personal stake in this, to say he believes Terri is involved, has always swayed my mind. His reputation is at stake.
I realize LE is not perfect (especially when I am getting a ticket for speeding) but criminals seem pretty stupid. There is an arrogance, an attitude, or just not being experienced in being a criminal, that may bring a mistake. Not all get caught, but how long can you look over your shoulder with the technology nowadays…
Okay it’s getting really bad when you start dreaming about this stuff. Or at least thinking about it in the middle of the night. Last night I woke up and the first thing that popped into my head was how the alleged plan might have gone wrong (sorry if some of this has been covered and I missed it, I could read this stuff all day long and still miss some of it; I’ve probably read about 1500 of the 2000+ comments).
Here’s what I was struggling with last night: if this whole scenario was occurring and something went wrong at some point as I’m gathering from all the reading here, it seems like the point where it went wrong may have been at the second FM, if TH doesn’t have a receipt for that one (does she?) I just thought, okay well something went wrong and she didn’t have time to go in and buy anything. So it might make sense at that point that she would call DD and go pick her up to “solve” whatever went wrong. I think DD left her phone behind probably deliberately so it would ping as if she was at work. They may have already had “throwaway” phones at this point since everything else was planned. They may have even planned how and where their phones were going to ping, but then something unexpected happened.
Anyway, my problem is, if Terri went and picked up DD to solve the dilemma at around 10:15 or so after going to the second FM, then why go to the gym after that at 11:39? Just to have an alibi? Have they definitely established that it was Terri at the gym and not DD? If they were together, then no matter which redhead showed up at the gym, where was the other one during that time? DD didn’t go back to work until 1:30 and Terri was in the gym at 11:39 for an hour or so and then supposedly went home. Maybe DD waited in the truck all that time and then Terri dropped her back at her worksite? What would be the point of that? Or at the point of the gym at 11:39 they WEREN’T together? Is the missing 1 1/2 hours when the phones pinged on SI?
And if Terri’s clothes were a mess from doing something, it would make WAY more sense for her to go home and clean up, unnoticed, rather than go to the gym where someone might notice her disheveled/muddy/whatever look. I mean, if she needed another alibi witness at that point, why not just stop at a drive-thru of some kind for 5 minutes and be seen? Why take an hour to go to the gym? Unless SHE went to the gym to make SURE she had an airtight alibi and DD went….where? To help someone else solve the problem while TH was really at the gym? If that’s the case, what vehicle would DD be in since not her own, and Terri was at the gym? It wouldn’t be Kaine’s truck, too much risk there of people thinking she was Terri. There MUST have been some money involved somewhere to persuade anyone to cover for Terri. No matter what scenario I come up with, it does seem like they messed up somewhere and all planning went out the window and they were just running on adrenaline. All MOO. I’m so confused, someone put some light on any of this that I might have missed so I don’t wake up thinking about it again tonight?
@interested bystander
Yes, Tony. The sense I’ve made of that for myself–and of the changes in the bio-parents’ emphasis across time is this: at the time Tony actually chimed in with that, they were trying to pressure TH to “tell all she knows.” They believed she would talk, do damage control, etc. Perhaps confess a limited role and point the finger at the main player. Whatever. She didn’t. We didn’t hear from Tony again.
Next focus of LE was on DeDe. Then Ky’s bio-parents softened their focus on TH a bit and put the big squeeze on DeDe. Threatened civil action even if she didn’t “tell all SHE knows.”
I think this was a tactic more than anything. And, I also think everyone would forgive Tony IF he overstated things a bit because Ky is his kid, too, and he seems to be quite fond of Ky. It was the right time for him to speak again and he said the right thing. TH probably IS involved and he was pretty sure of it, so his reputation will be fine. He might have suspected she had only a supporting role (as B. said: of “letting the vampires in”), but I’d forgive him for pushing her.
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@Eloise: I just know that when your back is better you’re gonna try it in the privacy of your home. Maybe you can sell it on youtube.
@Beejay…Tanner did say it was a woman, but what if he got confused? It’s all assumption from my stand point about the “sub”…maybe I need to take my ambien, maybe I need to stop thinking about this, or better yet….maybe Kyron needs to be found. Yeah…I think that would do it, finding Kyron.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
@beejay – Great thoughts. The key for me is that in his mind he seems to suspect – regardless of who is pushing him in front of the camera
MOOing Blinkers on YouTube??????? I’d subscribe!!
Misty Croslin admits to hearing Haleighs abduction….
http://wdbo.com/localnews/2010/08/croslin-says-she-heard-haleigh.html
@ interested bystander, I read the link re: the People magazine article of DeDe Spicher defending Terri and it just made me SOOOO angry! Are you kidding me? She’s known Terri all these years and doesn’t see any problem there? Since 2002? So 8 years she’s known Terri, through at least 1 of her divorces, the affair with Kaine (a married man with a poor pregnant wife who didn’t deserve that), the DUI with her own son in the car, and the callous behavior she has exhibited before, during and after Kyron’s disappearance, sexting while the poor kid is missing, and now rumors of naughty videos, and DeDe doesn’t see a problem, and can’t imagine that Terri would EVER be the kind of person involved in anything like this. Give me a break. Exactly what kind of behavior does DeDe call all of these items if not cruel, self-centered, cold, and uncaring? Either DD is just plain stupid or she’s in it as deep as Terri and lying. And if she was at work the entire time that day, why didn’t anyone else there see her for > 3 hours? NO ONE? And she just happened to miss the lunch that was planned. Not hungry that day? Even when others looked for her they couldn’t find her….and no cell phone answer either, how convenient. (Wait a minute…I thought I read somewhere that she received a phone call that morning at about 10 a.m. and then left abruptly. How could she receive a call if she didn’t have her cell phone?)
I wonder if and how much DeDe got paid for that article? The “mystery woman.” Ooooh, wow. I bet she’s really enjoying her 15 minutes of fame. All of this JMO
If we are looking for simplistic ways to handle a disappearance, here are two which might just work. Of these two, (B) seems least likely as it involves much more risk.
TH & mystery person work out plan to kidnap KH (DD not involved yet?)
TH takes KH to school, shoots picture, walks around & tells teacher about appt. (which she later claims was meant for following week)
Two thoughts from this point forward:
a) TH tells KH time to leave – she tells him she will get truck and meet him on pathway in front of school. KH needs to exit out the side door to meet her.
Or;
b) Mystery person (M) could have driven to school, parked vehicle, then let self in truck while they are in school.
Then
a) TH drives KH & Kitty to first Fred Meyer. TH has KH wait in truck while she grabs something for her “alibi receipt”. Next stop is where she meets Mystery person for exchange.
Or;
b) M is with TH and kids. While TH is in Fred Meyer, M subdues KH – drugs or whatever? KH is placed inside of some kind of container to keep him from being seen during exchange.
Then
a) TH drives to 2nd Fred Meyer, parks out by rock wall and waits for Mystery person. TH needs to get KH subdued and gives him a lot more of the drugs she had tried on him last couple weeks inside a drink she purchased at Starbucks. He falls asleep on way to 2nd Fred Meyer.
Or;
b) M and TH then drive to 2nd Fred Meyer for meeting with the 2nd M. Exchange is made – KH for money.
If TH received money for KH, she couldn’t likely take it home – she would need to hide it. She calls DD to help. TH picks up DD, they drive around looking for perfect hiding spot. Perhaps TH told DD she sent Kyron away for his own good due to abusive Dad (which she made up) and tells her she will give her part of money to keep secret.
I tried to come up with some scenario where KH would be subdued while still at school – like perhaps put in a locked box or something and then taken out the side door. This seemed like it would be too much of a risk to take, so I chose to leave it out.
Fair warning, this may be a long one, roll and scroll if you wish. I’m addressing a lot of things but not in any particular order, I just don’t have time to write this in chapters! I submit the following with a huge MOO:
The Horman truck could not have been parked up by the soccer field without the ground’s keeper seeing it. There is a padlocked chain on the access road to the field that the GK has a key to. If someone had pulled the truck up next to the school the GK would have seen it for sure. He saw some kids come out of the school at one point to look at the raised flower beds by that side door. And he was most definitely there during the 8-9 am time frame. I do believe that LE interviewed him early on and I believe they went back due the media story just to verify his time frame. Also, he drives a white truck but it is not a crew cab, has lights on it and has a trailer attached. The chances of this being confused with the Horman truck are nil, IMO. This doesn’t mean the Horman truck wasn’t on the access road in front of the school, but that’s as far as it could have gone without being seen by the GK and/or in his way. Of course TH knew all of this because she was a volunteer there and thus was familiar with everyone and/or their routines.
Kyron DID NOT walk away from that school. The search dogs would have found his scent. I know TH tried to make is seem that he was possibly having “mini seizures” and acting spacy. This was just part of her set-up, I believe she thought we would all think what we initially did: That he wandered off and got lost, fell in a pond or creek, etc. Since I was at the school and surrounding areas one week after he disappeared I can tell you the grass/hay/wheat in the fields around the school was 4-5 feet tall. My 8 year old son is the same size as Kyron and he literally disappeared in one of them, leaving a very visible trail of stomped down hay in his wake. As for the other surrounding areas, the wood are so incredibly dense my idea of searching for him myself was quickly extinguished. Needle in a haystack without the proper training and equipment, especially dogs, that is available to the LE agencies and their search experts. And of course I immediately made note of the pond across the street from the school and was relieved to see the divers searching it. I will also add that the Columbia River is HUGE, fed by the Willamette, Snake, Hood, and many other big, powerful rivers and tributaries all draining into the Columbia and out to the graveyard of the Pacific at Astoria. So many people drown in these rivers every year it is hard to keep count. The Columbia and Willamette Rivers are the borders of Sauvie Island, so very close to Skyline and the Horman home. I’m not trying to be callous, just stating what I know after 30+ years in Idaho and the Pacific Northwest.
Now I have to admit that it is very difficult for me to reconcile the TH on facebook that helped raised Kyron from infancy with the one that I see today. It just hurts my soul and I cannot understand how she could harm Kyron in any way. Unfortunately we have all learned from other cases that it happens. She either snapped, was whacked out from day one or was/is on drugs. Her emails, sexting and other actions after Kyron disappeared are the proof in the pudding for me. MOO again.
To me the biggest hurdle in this whole sad mess in the time during which Kyron was missing before authorities and others were aware of the fact. I live over here, and in 6-8 hours I can be in Canada, Idaho, Montana, California or Nevada. In an hour and a half from Skyline I can be at the Pacific Ocean and getting on a slow boat to China.
In regards to the 350K for Houze…well, by the time TH hired him this case was a huge story. Rumor has it he was out of town for a few days thereafter, making media deals for TH and that is where at least part of the funds are coming from. How many episodes of Dateline, 48 hours, etc., are on TV? Not to mention books and movies about these types of cases. Money, honey, and a lot of it! I find this quite probable. TH’s folks don’t have that kind of money even if they mortgaged everything they own. We shall see, she is due in court next week for the inital divorce hearing and Rackner’s filings about the money trail may come up at that time. This is not to say that the media or the public will be privy to whatever the courts, LE or the GJ knows or will find out during that process. IMO this is as it should be, since this in an active case in every way and Kyron reimains unaccounted for.
We all want to know what LE knows because we care so very much and really want to help in some way. Well, I think we are helping with so many of us putting a lot of time and thought into this and sharing our ideas and emotions. I am so very grateful for this site, all of you that are contributing and Blink’s hard work to keep it a civil and thought provoking forum minus all the hateful BS on other sites.
Enough for now, more ideas to add later and as always MOO and I look forward to your feed back.
Add to that, Kaine says he didnt know DD. Why is that?
@ Donna E: Agreed. Either she’s not being totally truthful, or she’s not paying attention.
And by the looks of her, I don’t think DD is skipping any meals.
Interesting interview with DeeDee
so she claims to have never have left the farm
not one word about Kyron
or how concerned she is to find him
what a woman
IMO 350k is a typo, probably she was meaning thirty-five hundred down, or 35k. 350k is a little extreme when you have not been charged with anything.
I don’t, but she answered a question before that, which is redacted, and it really bothers me.
It also really bothers me Cook was not called before the Grand Jury considering he is a witness in a contempt hearing.
B
Shoot! Cancel choir practice, it’s been done. Maybe they can give us some clues:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_EsxukdNXM
(NOT a spooky video)
Word Girl said – The leaked text messages and emails are part of Discovery. They are not general knowledge. They are not credible in Family Court. It’s a travesty that Laura considered that fair gain for her argument. I am in the Horman’s fan section, but do not want to see Lady Justice’s skirt up in any way or form.
I am not clear on how that works. In the docs filed by Laura it clearly says the text was supplied by Law Enforcement and the whole document will be available for the court to view. In one interview both Kaine and Desiree said LE does not tell them what to say, etc. Someone interviewed the retired Capt. Jenssen about that and he said they may say that, but you can bet LE has a hand in everything they do. (I don’t have a link for that – don’t usually care what he or other retired guys say, no disrespect intended.) Don’t know who’s right or how it would help, but I suppose we’ll see on the 25th unless they postpone it.
Terri’s “hidden money” could be in the form of a signed contract for an exclusive book or whatever, or could be from some recent activity she didn’t want known. If she were hiding it or saving it for a specific purpose, she wouldn’t want to start fixing up the house or buying new clothes and have Kaine ask where it all came from. Maybe she was saving to do the bodybuilding thing again – or get a divorce. If she doesn’t have the money yet, she can’t spend it anyway. If she comes to family court with a signed book deal, it’s still her money, it seems to me – or Houze’s.
Do you think if she shows up in court, Houze will be tagging along to check on what she says or doesn’t?
LOL Malty is my little doggy’s name and I will not share
so someone can find another
I spend hours trying to figure out just where Kyron might be
bottom line is find Kyron
@interested bystander: Just a little something to toss into your brain. Tony suspected TH of (something) at the time of that presser. But, so did most everybody else, because she was officially the last person to see Ky. The schl system was in CYA mode and LE told everybody at Skyline to be quiet.
However, subsequent to that, the news about the landscaper came out. Then I will BET you that TY started working that new data into his thought process. And, it was in later pressers with just the bio-parents that we started to hear them say they thought she couldn’t have done “it” alone (said Desiree). A modification of the implication that last one to see him did “it”. It was a process for all of them, as for us, as more evidence came out.
Haven’t heard from Tony since then; wonder what he thinks now.
@Blink, you said:
It also really bothers me Cook was not called before the Grand Jury considering he is a witness in a contempt hearing.
B
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Wouldn’t that be a separate matter (related to the divorce) from what we think the GJ is investigating now (Ky’s disappearance?? And the whole legal manuvering about the divorce was to keep the two matters from becoming entwined??
Except the texts to support this motion were gleaned from LE, so it is evidence in the case.
B
It also really bothers me Cook was not called before the Grand Jury considering he is a witness in a contempt hearing.
B
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Could it be he is a suspect?
Well, the latest interview of DeDe by People made me go back and read every article I could find on every site which talked about her being absent for a few hours.
I could not find one that said she left the property. They all used wording, “left the area where they were gardening….left the house…..disappeared from the area where they were working.”
I have to kind of wonder if we’ve all been duped by media sensationalism with our hunger for any new information that might bring Kyron home. I think I have been. Darn it! I’ve have always tried really hard not to be a jumper to conclusions. Leaving a particular area on a 40 acre farm does not automatically make someone a murderer or accessory to murder.
I have not read the People Mag piece, just the second had reports of it. I would be curious to know when the actual interview took place.
@4.KBinOR,
KB, I am so sorry.
“It also really bothers me Cook was not called before the Grand Jury considering he is a witness in a contempt hearing.
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@Blink – Is the grand jury done calling witnesses? I seem to remember reading something about there being a break to address a different case, and if so, do we know that he’s not scheduled to be called in the future?
@Idahogal – thanks for the on-the-scene reporting. Lots of the little details you mentioned (like the height of the grass and a visible trail being left when you walked through it) just don’t come through from other sources. It’s helpful to be able to eliminate certain scenarios as I rack my brain trying to understand what could’ve happened to this innocent little guy.
For those who are not local, like me, who feel frustrated and helpless at not being able to DO anything, the family’s site (http://www.bringkyronhome.org) allows donations to the Kyron Horman Fund via PayPal. Much easier than trucking it on down to the nearest Bank of America.
@RichW.
16W.
I knew someone would get my joke
I just got in and can’t wait to read that People article on DeDe.
@Eloise, re: The Silver Chalice. Some Wiccan priestess referred to it on her webpage, it’s on a Christian school’s required reading list, and Bill Clinton lists it as one of favorite books.
I’m afraid to read it.
Oops. I meant @Rich M.
Bleach-blonde moment.
Do THOSE count?
@Malty,
I see you have a doppelganger.
I just figured it was PMS.
@karma4kyron hahaha I didn’t think of that last one! Good point!
On another note: I noticed back there that LE was asking for anyone to come forward who saw something that “didn’t look quite right” at one of the FM stores. I have been wondering what wouldn’t look quite right. Surely not just people standing around a truck. But maybe someone taking a container of some kind from one truck to another?
Interesting DD says she was at the place of work all day and didn’t leave. Then what the hell was she doing all that time when people were looking for her and calling her? Just one more coincidence that she didn’t have her phone? If even ONE person saw her elsewhere, she’s in deep. Otherwise, maybe TH’s “helper” is someone else and DD is just stupid. Moo.
@beejay – LOL – caught your toss. When I joined my hubby’s family, as an “in law” (would also work for a stepdad), I can sit back and view the family dynamics more objectively than the family members, even though I know the history. I would imagine he’s may have been processing long before we knew anything at all. The media is a road show for us trying to process this hideous crime. My 2 cents.
50.MockingbirdSings says:
August 16, 2010 at 6:10 pm
Mock: The backpack…To me I feel like this was left intentionally. Because TH wanted everyone to believe that, ultimately, Kyron was abducted from the school. But not to raise an alarm, TH mentioned the doctors appointment. As for the teacher, it was a hectic morning, if she believed that there was a doctors appointment, she wouldn’t think too much about those items being left behind.
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I am confused to as to what people think “went wrong,” to me, sadly, it seemed the plan worked. I just can’t imagine a person or a group of people that would agree to a plan to “hold” kyron for a few hours and then kill him or ship him off to ‘Mexico.’ I mean that’s a vast difference. So, all I see is that the plan worked – Kyron is missing, TH got her FM receipt, the school didn’t notify her or KH, and TH was home facebooking by 1:21pm and at this point there’s not enough evidence to convict. Personally, what I think went wrong is that TH thought she was above suspicion. I think she thinks pretty highly of herself and thought there was no way anyone would suspect a devoted mother/step-mother/SAHM/teacher/school-volunteer/receipt holding/gym going TH for any of this, she had her alibis, she had a non-descript truck, she had it all planned out.
Personally, I can’t even speculate what she did, with whom, where, or any of it. The only thing I am completely convinced of is she put this plan in motion and she had some help. I do enjoy reading other peoples theories though, even if I don’t agree 100%, it seems we learn something when people put the info in different order or look from a different POV.
I must admit though, the theory that sticks with me the most is that the MFH plot was still in play and that this was part of it.
Hmm sounds like someone failed a poly.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20413527,00.html
Spicher says she’s told police the same thing. “They wanted me to tell them that Terri did it or that Terri knew something,” she says. “I told them everything that I knew, over and over again. But I didn’t tell them what they wanted to hear.”
Last sentence, “But I didn’t tell then what they wanted to hear.”
First TMH’s dad gave interview(s).
Now DD.
Could people mag be the bearer of 350K?
Is DE tapping that same well?
And, “is the less they say, the more ($) they get?”
So according to DD, her day went something like this:
- Arrive at job site, with phone
- Get phone call
- Disappear for a few hours without telling anyone, without (or without answering) phone, missing call from co-worker who was looking for her
- Be seen at the job site later
I wonder what she told the landowner and her co-worker about why she was unreachable? I understand the job site is 38 acres and there’s lots of places someone could be in that amount of space, but supposedly she was there to prettify the property for an upcoming garden tour. Speculation, but I would guess that would mean she was working in areas that would be visible to the tour, not somewhere where she couldn’t be found by the people who were looking for her.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20413527,00.html
To further support my point.
Terri walks out on poly when asked about LS.
DD is asked to tell LE that Terri did it or that Terri knew something,” she says. “I told them everything that I knew, over and over again.
But I didn’t tell them what they wanted to hear, meaning she could not pass a poly when asked whether TH did it, meaning whether TH killed Ky or knew something, meaning arranged his disappearance.
How would DD know what “they wanted to hear.” Sounds more like she answered questions and LE said, ok would you be willing to submit to a poly and DD said no way just like TH did when the LS was mentioned.
MC makes sense mr helpful
just wanted to help out
could it be?