Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Grand Jury Meets, Indictment Imminent
Portland, OR- In the case of missing 7-year-old Portland child Kyron Horman, developments today continue to unfold at lightening speed.
During a poorly-kept secret convening of a special grand jury that is in session today, sources inside the investigation believe it’s triers of fact will return an indictment against Terri Horman and possibly one other individual.
It is however, unclear as to whether or not the grand jury is hearing evidence in the alleged murder for hire plot MCSO informed Kaine Horman his wife had master-minded, OR evidence surrounding the disappearance of Kaine and Desiree Young’s son Kyron.
KOIN caught Terri Horman’s friend DeDe Spicher, who was subpoenaed to appear in the proceedings this morning, on video with her attorney, entering the courthouse. Spicher was the subject of a public plea asking her to cooperate with investigators by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young last week. A neighbor of Spicher’s has confirmed the FBI has been seen removing boxes and unknown bagged material from her residence.
According to several sources, DeDe Spicher, Terri’s roommate post Kaine’s restraining order, was working in a garden near the Horman home the day of Kyron’s disappearance when she received a call at approximately 11:15 am. She left abruptly, returning at approximately 1:00 pm. DeDe was unreachable on her cell phone during that time and the property owner became concerned. Spicher is a long time friend and workout companion of Horman’s.
Earlier today, Laura Rackner, Kaine Horman’s Family Law attorney filed a motion to find out where the funds are coming from to foot the bill for Terri Horman’s high profile criminal defense attorney, Stephen Houze.
In Horman’s motion, he is seeking the disclosure of the payments made to Houze, and whether or not it came from marital funds. If it has, Kaine Horman wants half the cash to pay his own legal bills. Kaine Horman alleges that Terri Horman disclosed to a third party that she paid a whopping $350,000 retainer to Houze, however, provided no proof of same in the papers filed today.
In what appears to be a media timing coup, tonight’s episode of Dateline NBC will feature Kaine Horman, Desiree and Tony Young, with interviews and coverage of Kyron’s disappearance.
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office Public Information Officer, Mary Lindstrand, has announced a press conference tomorrow at the MCSO Training Facility, beginning at 2:00 pm PST.
blinkoncrime editor Madeline Tanner contributed to this report
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@ LPB says: August 25, 2010 at 4:13 pm
Yes, that whole post makes complete sense (especially now that it’s ‘entitlement’ vs ‘enlightenment’! Altho, TH could use a little of that, too ).
You said “This is exactly my problem with TH, she is manipulative and doesn’t take full responsibility for her actions. Does that make sense?”
That is a pattern I can see in that TH profile as well.
I have some dangling questions about the fast food ‘franchise’ purchase, and if I ever run into Max B here in town, I’d sure ask her about it. I didn’t easily find a franchising food company under that name, although there is a family empire in Colorado that is a candidate. I’ve never heard of a Chubby’s restaurant in Oregon and under franchising websites, can’t find a Chubby at all.
Just curious.
(and about that TH online business?? Anyone? Anyone? Buehler?)
Here is another news link from KATU:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/101511664.html
Full Story by Maxine Bernstein…
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_moulton_horman_appears_i.html
Emmy says:
August 25, 2010 at 2:05 pm
“The thing about the morning shopping trips that gets me is the two FM trips. If one is planning an alibi why would she plan to go the two of the same store. I know this sounds like I am defending TH, but I am not.”
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I agree. This issue has bugged me for a while now. I cannot recount how very many times I have gone to our two local Rite-Aid stores looking for the dental wax my kids used after they got braces. Sometimes one store would have it, sometimes neither would. It was the wax brand that worked best for them, so I would go the three miles from one to the other to find it. Sometimes one store would have one pack left (the stuff was popular, I guess!), so I would go to the next store hoping to buy more packs to last a while. So TH going from FM to FM looking for a certain med. for Kiara doesn’t strike me as odd at all. Not saying she is innocent either-just that the two FM trips are potentially not suspicious.
Where she parked, if accurate, is another thing altogether. If I was carrying around a sick baby, you would not catch me parking in the back of ANY lot. I would rather drive around for a while until I could find a closer parking space. That issue keeps me wondering. But maybe she was one of those people who used every chore as exercise. Parking in the back of lots might have been part of her exercise routine because of the extra walking involved. I know people who do that so routinely they would never park close to a store for any reason.
Also, as you said–why go to two stores for your alibi-that just made the alibi stand out as suspect, not normal. Why bother making an alibi if you’re just going to blow it?
MOO! And in the kindest way possible as I am vegan!
If those were Kyron’s glasses in the mailbox, then what is Kyron wearing? I was under the impression that is vision is very poor without glasses. How is he mananging to get around without glasses? I’m sure it’s more difficult to care for a visually impaired boy … how are the kidnappers handling him?
“PORTLAND – Kaine Horman and his estranged wife, Terri Moulton Horman were granted an October 7 divorce hearing Wednesday.”
“At issue were financial questions and an abatement proposal by Terri’s lawyers to speed up the case. But a judge ruled the issues would all be addressed at one joint hearing on October 7. Kaine Horman wants Terri’s financial information disclosed on how she was able to pay for a reported $350,000 in attorney fees.”
“On September 21, a judge will issue a ruling on whether or not Terri was in contempt of court over accusations she unsealed a restraining order earlier in the summer.”
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine–Terri-Horman-expected-in-court-today-101470199.html
Kaine did not attend…
“In a legal memo filed today, Bunch argues that Terri Horman can’t proceed at this time to protect her rights to property, custody and parenting time because she is a “de facto suspect” in the disappearance of Kyron and at the center of a police investigation.”
Today’s hearing dealt with whether to hold two separate hearings on Terri Horman’s request to delay the divorce proceeding and Kaine Horman’s motion to learn where Terri obtained money to pay for Houze, a high-profile criminal defense lawyer.
“Bunch asked the judge to hold two separate hearings because of the complexity of each matter. Houze estimated arguments in a hearing to delay the divorce proceeding would last half a day.”
“But Rackner, said it would be inefficient to hold separate hearings, and would prejudice her client. She argued that Kaine Horman would have to miss work twice, and he does not have “unlimited savings.”
“Bunch countered that Kaine Horman has a good job at Intel, with a substantial savings account and dismissed the suggestion that Kaine Horman would be encumbered by having to pay attorney fees and wait two to four weeks between hearings.”
“Judge Meisenheimer decided he’d hold one hearing to consider both matters, on Oct. 7.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_moulton_horman_appears_i.html
There may be another reason (other than alibi’s) that Terri went to both FM stores. I think Kyron left the school with Terri thinking he was going to the Doctor, and someone was waiting for them in the truck. That person probably used whatever was planned to make Kyron unconscious immediately. I think he told Terri to go to the FM store to meet with the get-a-way car. I think they just went to the wrong FM store. Then realizing their mistake, Terri went to the second FM store. While she was in the second store establishing her alibi, her accomplice(s) made off with Kyron.
This is just a thought to explain why she would go to 2 FM stores.
I pray that Kyron was rendered unconscious, and he is in Mexico and someday soon he will be found.
shelbar says:
August 25, 2010 at 11:48 am
“Teri was in control and knew the perfect time to get him to the truck.”
In the truck to where? Also, the school did not call because calling parents of absent children is not their policy. They “think” they know where the children are at all times.
Ode says:
August 25, 2010 at 1:03 pm
“I think you are spot on with this (hypothetically) possibility. They say there is always some truth in what someone says and that could be exactly the amount of the ransom.”
Ok, so who paid the ransom and how was it paid without LE’s intervention since they were staying at the Hormons?
I’m still having trouble coming up with a good reason Terri went to the gym at 11:30. She already had her alibi’s, if that was the purpose of the FM trips, she could have simply gone home and got online. If she saw Kyron’s abductors, whether she was involved or not, after the second FM trip and something had gone terribly wrong, something to cause her to drive around for 1.5 hours, then why not just go home, why go to the gym?
Yesterday I read in the news about a teen who sexually molested and strangled a teen girl with a mental disability. He said after he killed her, he carried her to the bushes and dumped her, then went to a friends to play video games so he would not have to think about it. (I paraphrasing, of course.)
Did Terri go to the gym because she wanted to go to a public place because she was terrified that Kiara was in danger or was she just trying not to think about it?
This rather a strange statement:
“Kaine Horman did not attend the half-hour hearing. His lawyer, Laura Rackner, said she believes the missing boy’s father didn’t go in order to protect himself emotionally.”
http://www.kptv.com/news/24762275/detail.html
@ Salbelle – Good point about the phone number which anyone could use to register their purchases for the Rewards Card.
So having NO Rewards Card number on the receipt would mean the person did not choose to enter it if they had one. Having Terri’s Rewards Card number on the receipt would mean someone used her card or phone number (maybe Terri did or maybe not).
What I was thinking about was that having a Rewards Card number on her receipt that was NOT hers, would show the receipt was also NOT hers. People tend to respond automatically with those cards – even a friend might have forgotten and held up a key chain Rewards Card as they left if they were asked by the cashier. I doubt if a lot of people have even noticed the number is printed on the receipt. Since you get money in return from your purchases, I think they subtract the amount from your rewards if you return something.
I guess LE thinks of everything, but if the person examining the receipt isn’t the family shopper, maybe not. If there is a number, FM can tell them whose it is.
I don’t think anyone got rich from the settlement of the lawsuit against the restaurant franchise.
The original investment was prolly a loan signed by TH’s or the then hubby’s parents.
Don’t forget how much the attorney’s get out of a settlement. Take that off, repay the cosigned loan, pay all debts incurred while not earning any wages, and poof, not much money left. Just enough to pay rent while you look for a job.
There were three issues discussed:
1. Where did 350K come from
2. All legal divorce issues KH has brought against TMH be postponed for up to 2yrs
3. Contempt of court claim KH filed against TMH
Only thing decided is the judge will hear arguments on money & postponement Oct 7th
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the contempt issue will be heard Sept 21
So, we wait…
The GJ continues….hmmm Oct is gonna be a busy month
I don’t know if I have found anything of interest. But last night I was reading the JW thread on SM’s and noted the articles found regarding awards on Napim business news. Kent Wishart is photographed, which was the purpose of their discussion. But I noted another pic of an awardee of a couple named Ernesto & Cristina Sanchez from Brazil. They own an Ink co, and were at the convention w/ Wishart & Graphic Sciences. I realize Sanchez is a common name, but I didnt want to NOT mention it just in case.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8387.500
Ernesto and Cristina Sanchez of Sanchez, S.A. de C.V. Tintas.
International Private company
Rua Senador Mozart Lago 51 Acari, Rio De Janeiro, 21530-210, Brazil
()55 2124712121, 55 2124712121 fax, http://www.cromos.com.br
Primary SIC: Paints Varnishes Lacquers Enamels, Primary NAICS: Paint and Coating Manufacturing
Description: Paints Varnishes Lacquers Enamels
http://www.inkworldmagazine.com/articles/2002/06/napim-convention-review.php
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:mhWS8uq0kUIJ:www.inkworldmagazine.com/articles/2004/05/napim-convention-review.php+Ernesto+%26+Cristina+Sanchez+Ink+co&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
@sister. Glad you picked up what I was putting down.
I’m back home, Futureman it scares me that I knew it was you…srsly! I think I am more confused that ever after reading all these posts but the one thing I know is that Kyron is still gone…missing…vanished into thin air.
I’ve stated this before, but I’m not sure anybody got what I was sayin’ so I’ll try it again…the more people involved, ie: LS, RS, AS, DDS, LMNOP (joke there) the more likely there would have been someone that slipped…one “thing” that LE could grab hold of that didn’t jive with what someone else said. As far as I can tell that hasn’t happened yet. TH has lawyered up…DDS has talked, but hasn’t really said anything that we KNOW about that implicates TH in the actual abduction.
I dunno if the ransom was something to throw LE off, I don’t know if this was a child sex thing, a revenge thing on TH or just an “ordinary” pedophile that took an opportunity when he/she saw one.
God please help this child.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers, and sister.
These are interesting statements/observations:
“Stephen Houze, one of Terri Horman’s attorneys, requested that the divorce case be postponed until the criminal investigation into Kyron’s disappearance is complete.”
“Horman had no comment for reporters as she entered and left the courthouse but she was still wearing what appeared to be a wedding ring.”
“Terri Horman turned and listened to Rackner and her own lawyers make their arguments, and looked around the hearing room briefly. She said nothing in court.”
“The question remains as to why Terri Horman came to the hearing. She certainly had the right to do so but said nothing in court, nothing to the media, and her presence, legally, wasn’t necessary.”
http://www.katu.com/news/local/101511664.html
http://www.kptv.com/news/24762275/detail.html
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_moulton_horman_appears_i.html
Kozyotb said:
August 24, 2010 at 2:23 pm
So…what if the said kidnappers didn’t know Kyron is Terri’s SS? He then of course would be the easiest target. I agree she owes the wrong people $$ (not sure for what?). Once the kidnappers figured out through the media/Terri Kyron is her SS then their plan backfired. She isn’t going to pay for or now incriminate herself for Kaine & Desiree’s son.
I’m sure I missed this but do we know what her online business dealings were?
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kozyotb, I didn’t even think of Terri and online gambling!!!!!! The guys
who run those rooms are ruthless. I warn friends not to get involved
in that. Could be very dangerous if you get in over your head.
“Kaine Horman did not attend the half-hour hearing. His lawyer, Laura Rackner, said she believes the missing boy’s father didn’t go in order to protect himself emotionally.” – really, protect himself emotionally – WTH?!
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What about fighting for Kyron even if indirectly?
This child had been failed by most relatives
i’m absolutely not taking sides, for KH or TH, but was he (Kaine) also “protecting himself emotionally” at the first presser? – what is the question that had been on my mind since many weeks ago.
It seems that detective Young had no problem showing empathy and emotions, ppl please do not tell me that it is due to KH analytical type of thinking… i feel sorry for his loss (missing Kyron, couped up marriage, etc) but some things do stand on their own.
Kaine, if you read here, please take your time, ask for help, dress up! and go to court, for Christ sake – please do it for your both children!!
“The SS is involved because of their technology in analyzing deleted electronic device information as well as ping trajectory that interfaces with GPS. I have seen them tag a device ( because one cannot prove the device is with the person necessarily) within 64 feet in some areas.
Imo, there was no ransom paid to anyone.
B”
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Okay, extrapolating on this nugget of information about SS involvement and cell phone/GPS data retrieval…
If, it can be assumed that LE now has all cell phones tied to TMH accounted for, then is it safe to assume that they, in fact, *do* know where she (or at least her *cell* phones) were—within feet—all day on June 4th?
If they *do* know (approximately) where Terri was, all day… and *still* have found no trace of Ky—is it then safe to assume that either:
A. Kyron left the school-grounds with someone other than Terri and was never in her *direct* custody from 9AM on…
-OR-
B. That if he *did* leave Skyline with Terri, that he was then handed off to a third party at some point during the morning or early afternoon…
Rather than any scenario of Terri harming Ky in the heat of the moment, panicking, and then having DS directly help her to ‘dispose of him’ somewhere along the route she traveled that day?
Just curious if we can use this information to at least *rule out* certain possibilities?
What do you guys think?
I have always had the cashier at Fred Myers ask me if I had a rewards card. I would have forgotten it if they hadn’t.
tarmancer says:
August 25, 2010 at 2:39 am
“I think Kaine could just go to the optometrist that prescribed Kyron those eyeglasses and pick up a duplicate pair and that is why they didnt have to just show a picture. Styles in shoes, shirts and pants run out quickly in stores and new styles in. They said Kyrons shoes were well worn I think so maybe they could not pick up those exact shoes again. It looked like they created a shirt CSI with an iron-on that wasn’t exactly like Kyrons.”
When LE displayed the clothes at the presser, I immediately thought of when Ashley Pond and Miranda Gaddis were missing. As soon as the FBI entered into the investigation of their disappearance, they displayed two mannequins dressed with the clothes the girls were last seen wearing. They asked the public to be on the lookout for these clothes while they were driving, walking or biking. I was horrified at the thought of what that meant – their clothes lying along the roadway.
So, when I saw the clothes I thought it must be FBI SOP. However, I thought it was odd when they showed the glasses days later and then a picture of Kyron sans glasses even after that. So maybe they didn’t include the glasses with the clothes because he wasn’t actually wearing them anymore or they forgot and did them separately. Just seemed odd until Blink stated she thought the glasses were actually Kyron’s.
In answering reporters’ questions LE stated that the shirt and shoes were likenesses of Kyron’s shoes and that the pants and socks were Kyron’s and were the same as the ones he was wearing. That reminded me of my kids who have sensory issues and had to wear the same kind of socks and pants every day. It fit with other the things I learned about Kyron: that he fears being unable to see, he doesn’t like loud sounds, he’s sensitive and bright. What’s sad to me is that even though Kyron’s quirks might have been annoying to Terri, the same sensitivity can be quite a gift. My daughter just graduated in the top one percent of WA state seniors and my son is similarly gifted. It breaks my heart that it appears Kyron won’t be able to use his gifts and reach his potential.
Some have mentioned that Kiara would have been a more likely target for retaliation against Terri because she is Kiara’s bio child. Remember, though, that many people didn’t know that Terri wasn’t Kyron’s bio mom. A swim coach was quoted early on saying that he didn’t know she was SM and one of Kyron’s childcare providers posted on BOC that she didn’t know Terri was the SM either.
Just one more thing, I promise: When my inlaws were robbed and my FIL killed, they people who did it just picked a “rich house”. The couple had planned to hold them in their house overnight, take them to the bank the next day and make them withdraw their money. They didn’t check into bank accounts or employers. They just assumed that someone with a nice house would have enough money in their checking account that they (the robbers) would be set for life. A truly poor person may not know their money would be invested in stocks, in a 401K or even in the house itself. The Horman’s house isn’t all that nice, but I’m saying that if someone did Kyron for ransom, that they may not be the best judge of who is rich and who is not. A meth addict would be happy with whatever money he or she could scrounge. That’s why we have such a problem with bank robberies in the Portland area.
So….no update yet? “By Wed”?
O you have one? Awesome. Please post.
B
@riverpearl says:
August 25, 2010 at 8:24 pm
This rather a strange statement:
“Kaine Horman did not attend the half-hour hearing. His lawyer, Laura Rackner, said she believes the missing boy’s father didn’t go in order to protect himself emotionally.”
http://www.kptv.com/news/24762275/detail.html
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I don’t think it is strange at all. Could you emotionally restrain yourself if you came face to face with the person that planned to murder you, sexted your friend, and played a role in your son’s disappearance?
Terri actions have demonstrated to me that she out to get Kaine. She wants revenge. Any emotional outburst by him would allow her a (warped) sense of satisfaction. IMO – Wearing the wedding ring — was to get under his skin; thankfully he was not there to see it.
Since praying that Kyron is found! Lord please lead the way to this precious child.
“Kaine Horman did not attend the half-hour hearing. His lawyer, Laura Rackner, said she believes the missing boy’s father didn’t go in order to protect himself emotionally.” – really, protect himself emotionally – WTH?!
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If I had to be in the same room with the person I felt was responsible for taking my son and trying to kill me, I would probably lose it physically and emotionally. I totally understand Kaine not being there; makes complete sense to me.
Took the words from my keyboard- I would be the reason she needed the escort.
B
@Phyl
I wasn’t thinking she was online gambling.IMO I think she crossed the wrong people in a business deal of some sort and Kyron was payment. I’d like to know what kind of businees she did have online.
@Blink
Did I miss how Dede knew Sanchez(s)?
“The question remains as to why Terri Horman came to the hearing. She certainly had the right to do so but said nothing in court, nothing to the media, and her presence, legally, wasn’t necessary.”
http://www.katu.com/news/local/101511664.html
Just a chance to get out the house? Dressed up too, almost like a defendant.
Phyl and kozyotb – I thought about online gambling, but I didn’t know if Terri’s “online business” was verified as true or not. I’m surprised I haven’t seen gambling discussed (or I missed it). Online gambling is very addictive and is popular especially with women who don’t want to be seen gambling, have kids and can’t go to an adult gambling place, etc.
Video poker is an amazingly fast addition for some people due to the rhythm and part of the brain used. I have heard meth addicts say that when they wanted meth, the only thing that would reach the same high so fast is video poker. It’s cheap to start, easy to hide, and doesn’t show in a drug test, but I’m also told that in 30 minutes you can lose a LOT of money. (Regular poker and other games take much longer to bring about an addiction and generally, to lose the same amount of money.)
My understanding is that to play it at home, you need software which LE would have found on her computer or on a disk. I’m not sure that fits her personality type (seems like a lonely game for an attention seeker), but there’s a lot we don’t know. She was supposedly spending enough money to concern Kaine, but she doesn’t seem to have the “stuff” that makes us say “wow they have a lot of nice stuff”. (He’s not just cheap – he did get her a car.) Haven’t seen her in designer clothes either. Maybe she was in debt for the bodybuilding time, but she could also have tried gambling and thought she could handle it and get some money. Maybe she didn’t want James to see that – he’s the one most likely to have noticed.
We need to remember before we rule out something that there are different stages of addictions, disorders, abusiveness, etc. Anyone can be in the early stages that aren’t so recognizable and still cause considerable damage. Unfortunately, the State of Oregon offers and advertises video poker. They claim to provide help to identify and treat those who become addicted, but it’s way too little. There’s at least one state that cancelled that part of their gambling program after seeing the increase in addicts.
There had to be a reason why Kyron was supposed to stay in bed or in his room until he had permission to get up. Gambling, sexting, somebody in the house for sex, or she just didn’t want to look at him? I hope he had access to a bathroom.
Kaylee – I’m really sorry about what happened to your inlaws.
You should be very proud of your kids, but it also means you are one terrific mom!
“Where she parked, if accurate, is another thing altogether. If I was carrying around a sick baby, you would not catch me parking in the back of ANY lot.”
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Thing is, there ARE people that make a habit of parking as far from the doors as possible – especially those who are into exercise or have been told to make every step count. Seems reasonable that she might be one of them. (And then there are total weirdos like me, who when the kids were small, always parked as close as possible to a shopping cart corral. These days, though, it’s wherever I can immediately park in a spot that I can pull-though so I don’t have to back up to leave – and I just park. I hate driving around looking for a spot and won’t do it. Means I walk more, but at least I’m not wasting gas.)
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IMO, the two stops at FM makes her shopping trips all the more normal. If we *had* two of anything other then redboxes here, I could totally see myself doing that. Or if I was on the hunt for something particular. The day I went looking for clothespins, it took me five stores – everywhere was out, and I wanted some THAT day.
Same thing with the wandering for an hour and a half.
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If she is guilty, there are two options: planned or unplanned.
Unplanned would be a fit of temper or accidental. Accidental would be pretty difficult unless she hit him with the truck as she was leaving – and there were so many people around, I would hope someone would have noticed. Fit of temper – HOW? I could see it if she were alone with him at home, but to think that happened at some point AFTER she’d seen his projects, waved by, and was leaving… not realistic.
That leaves planned.
The problem with planned is that all these hypothesis and circumstantial evidence require most of her actions that day to be NOT planned out. Two Fred Meyers stores, wandering for an hour and half, being alone at home for a couple hours after that… all hard to prove alibis.
If it was as PLANNED as everyone wants it to be, she’d be able to account for every darn minute of the day.
Especially if she’s as detail-oriented and meticulous as some are painting her.
It just doesn’t fit.
Nor does the totally calm, cool, collected, emotionless *itch persona that people want to see.
So a person totally supports the oldest son? Then how can does one rationalize contradicting what he states as fact – that his mom was distraught and falling apart after Kyron’s disappearance?
Once again – believe the child or not – but don’t say so on one hand and make him out to be a liar on the other.
Seriously, if people are going to make up their minds, please at least make sense? Sorting out the ping-pong balls as blatant contradictions bounce back and forth is giving me a headache.
#44 PaMom says:
August 25, 2010 at 8:17 pm
There may be another reason (other than alibi’s) that Terri went to both FM stores. I think Kyron left the school with Terri thinking he was going to the Doctor, and someone was waiting for them in the truck. That person probably used whatever was planned to make Kyron unconscious immediately. I think he told Terri to go to the FM store to meet with the get-a-way car. I think they just went to the wrong FM store. Then realizing their mistake, Terri went to the second FM store. While she was in the second store establishing her alibi, her accomplice(s) made off with Kyron.
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Wow, thanks for an explanation that makes much sense of the 2 trips to Fred Meyer. A very good reason to park so far from the door would be to make the transfer. It makes more sense than saving the door paint on the truck.
Blink,
Does the missing family (mother Elsy Mejia-Sanchez,and children Jamie Mejia and Ubaldo Sanchez-Mejia) have any connection to either RS or AS? They went missing on May 19th.
Shelly- source link please- what do you mean they are “missing”?
B
Thanks MockingbirdSings! My kids think I’m spending too much time obsessing about Kyron.
News Conf on Friday w/ DY & KH
Talk about Wall of Hope, Kyron’s B-day
Newcast @11:00pm KGW
Emmy says:
August 25, 2010 at 2:05 pm
Regarding the timeline and the 9:12 receipt. I think there is a Starbuck’s in this FM so it is possible that she could get a cup of coffee w/receipt when she arrived, and then continue shopping.
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This is what I believe as well. Starbucks would be a quick stop; and Terri was a regular customer who was facebook friends with a Starbucks employee; that person would know Terri and be a good witness to back-up her alibi.
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shelbar says:
August 25, 2010 at 11:48 am
OK folks, I will tell you why …because she left with kyron. If there were hundreds of people there, how many stopped and oooed and awwwed over the baby. Was she showing off the baby? Baby in the stroller, puts a damper on speedy get aways, baby in arms, eveyone wants to goo goo gaa gaa at the baby.
Tons of people coming in, which makes me think she left earlier than 8:45, before the big crowd. Teri knows the bell rings at 8:45, she doesnt have to be there to hear it ring. Besides, the kids had to be in their classrooms at 9:00 to get ready to go out in groups of 4-5 … tour 9-10. then class starts at 10…roll call is taken, kyron absent…oh hes with his mother, dont call her, hes safe.
How would a mysterous kidnapper know when the coast was clear to take Kyron at that exact moment and place. What if he was hanging with his buddies, or the teacher wanted him to stay at his poster …to many variable for the kidnapper …he wasnt in control, whereas, Teri was in control and knew the perfect time to get him to the truck.
Oh but officer, I didn’t take him, his backpack and coat were in the class room and and and, didnt someone say “it” happened between 9-10. But lookey here I have a receipt for 9:12 at a store far far away, 7 miles from the school.
Countdown to 10am ….kill some time, drive around, go to another store get more alibis. Finally 10:10, stupid school didnt call about him being missing. Now 90 minutes to dispose of him, then get to the gym to make it look like another normal day.
Easy peasy. They wont look at what I did after 9, heck the crime took place 9-10. why does LE want my cell phone pings and phone records and computer? I’m the innocent mom who left her precious stepson in the good care of the school with sloppy systems in place.
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I completely agree. She did need to establish some alibis, but she likely didn’t think she had to have every minute accounted for. Especially if she believed the police would zero in on only the 9-10am time; which is exactly what she put forth in her own email.
In all honesty, if it was not for her weird behavior and the other questionable actions that have come to light, probably most people wouldn’t really think anything of the fact that every minute of her day wasn’t accounted for. Most of us don’t have incontrovertible proof of where we are every minute of every day; so that in itself is not suspicious.
But add it to the way she apparently treated Kyron; the fact that she and DeDe have the exact same amount of unaccounted-for time; the disposable phones; the MFH plot against her husband; the LS affair; the MC sexting affair; her complete and total lack of emotion whatsoever; the high-powered attorney, and so on.
Sure that does not a conviction make; but it surely makes a lot of people wonder, and so many little things add to big suspicions.
I keep going back to the very beginning.
Terri’s published email sent the day after Kyron went missing said she saw Kyron heading to his classroom at 9:00 and that she had a receipt for Fred Meyer at 9:12. Now we know there’s no way TH could leave Kyron at 9:00 and check out at Freddies at 9:12 – so it seems her initial stated time of 9:00 was to make it seem like she walked Kyron toward his classroom at the very time the students were to assemble in classrooms to get into groups to tour the science fair.
Since we know Terri left the school much earlier than 9:00 the nagging, unanswered question is why did she leave Kyron unattended when she knew his class was not yet in session? TH herself stated in her emails that Kyron was having “mini seizures” and had made a doctor appointment for him just the day before for that very reason.
If Terri had to leave early because Kiara was sick, why did she not ask Kyron’s teacher, another staff member or parent(s) if Kyron could stay with them until classes started?
Terri is a teacher for goodness sakes. A teacher would NEVER leave a 7-year old (especially one supposedly having mini seizures) unattended in a school setting, particularly when (by her own admission) it was unorganized that morning and there were hundreds of people there.
This situation alone makes me believe wholeheartedly that TH was an active participant in Kyron’s disappearance, and that is was planned in advance.
@ riverpearl says: August 25, 2010 at 8:52 pm
“Horman had no comment for reporters as she entered and left the courthouse but she was still wearing what appeared to be a wedding ring.”
I’m shocked an appalled! I mean, didn’t we all expect her to just throw up her hands and capitulate? (Yeah, right!)
As far as her dress and choice of accessories go, she looks like she wanted to be soft and pretty, like a first date. IMHO, pretty makeup + wedding ring = emotional manipulation
“Terri Horman turned and listened to Rackner and her own lawyers make their arguments, and looked around the hearing room briefly. She said nothing in court.”
Again, what is it about this that is odd? Should she have shown up in a diaper a la Larry Flynt? Or should she have shaved her head and carved something on her forehead like a Manson follower?
Terri showed up, dressed conservatively, and acted politely. Judges like this. It shows respect and deference to the decorum of the tribunal.
Methinks the reporter just doesn’t get out much.
“The question remains as to why Terri Horman came to the hearing. She certainly had the right to do so but said nothing in court, nothing to the media, and her presence, legally, wasn’t necessary.”
Easy answer: She showed up because her presence tells the court that she cares and that she is not some criminal on the lam. Her presence and presentation shows that she is an upstanding citizen and not trying to jerk around the court by asking for an abatement.
IMHO, she was trying to look young and innocent. Perhaps this was for the judge to see that she is a potential victim here?
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@ VTLady79 says: August 25, 2010 at 9:59 pm
“(quoting Blink) The SS is involved because of their technology in analyzing deleted electronic device information as well as ping trajectory that interfaces with GPS. I have seen them tag a device ( because one cannot prove the device is with the person necessarily) within 64 feet in some areas.”
Please spell out Secret Service. The SS is a very different group.
“Okay, extrapolating on this nugget of information about SS involvement and cell phone/GPS data retrieval…
If, it can be assumed that LE now has all cell phones tied to TMH accounted for, then is it safe to assume that they, in fact, *do* know where she (or at least her *cell* phones) were—within feet—all day on June 4th?”
No, it means that the Secret Service knows where her cell phone was all day.
It would be a false conclusion that Terri was attached to her cell phone. For all we know, she left it in the other car, or put it in someone else’s bag. Not likely, but it is possible.
@ starshadow says:
“So a person totally supports the oldest son? Then how can does one rationalize contradicting what he states as fact – that his mom was distraught and falling apart after Kyron’s disappearance?”
Actually, James never said what his mother was hysterical about.(see his quote below) According to the other three parents, her concerns were more about being suspected and failing the lie detector tests.
Quoting James:
August 26, 2010 at 1:10 am “I’ve never seen Kaine cry until Kyron went missing,” James said, adding that his mother was hysterical.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/kyron-horman.html
With regards to Rudy Sanchez: I don’t think he really had to be blackmailed into anything. I mean judging from Terri’s behavior with MC, she obviously feels she has some sort of sexual power to persuade men to do what she wants. I mean look, she initiated a sex-based interaction with Cook while her stepson was missing and she had become possibly the prime suspect (albeit unofficially); who knows what she was attempting to do with him; be it that she was just looking to sway someone to her side/support, or whether she was hoping to seduce him into doing something for her (like taking Kiara), she obviously has a high falutin’ opinion of her ability to use sex to manipulate.
I think, depending on the length and depth of her ‘relationship’ with Rudy, she had convinced herself that she could talk him into murdering Kaine. And perhaps that was a wake-up call to Rudy. He was fine with carrying on an affair, and apparently getting paid for ‘landscape duties’, but perhaps he put a stop to things when murder was brought into the situation. I think Terri misjudged the extent to which she could manipulate Rudy with sex.
Isn’t Rudy married himself? Maybe he figured that he would just end the affair and keep quiet about the MFH so that his wife wouldn’t find out he was screwing around with Terri. I mean that has to be a logical thought process for someone in that potential situation. You figure: ok this person is whacko, so the best thing I can do is get the hell away from her. And while what she’s proposed (the MFH) is vile, well, maybe she is just speaking out of the heat of the moment and won’t really go through with it.
Nevertheless, even talking about something like murder is probably enough to make most people think “ok, the affair is fun, but this person is seriously unbalanced and I can’t have anything more to do with her”.
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August 25, 2010 at 4:53 pm
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August 24, 2010 at 7:15 pm
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Very good points. Plus the driving 7 miles. ?No stoplights?
Even if not, it might take awhile. Strapping Kiara in to leave school, driving the 7 miles, then to do all of the things you said. The parking, unstrapping Kiara, getting her inside, getting a cart. I’m not familiar with FM, but even at a Krogers, which I am familiar with, this would take some time.
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Well, the thing is, we have this timeline. And in the timeline we have 8:45 being the last time Kyron was seen, and that was by Terri. The fact of the matter is, if no one else saw Kyron @ 8:45 — and it seems that is the case because we have no witnesses to Kyron walking to the classroom and Terri leaving — then it is just Terri’s word that he was still in the school at 8:45. From what I can recall, the only verified, publicized sighting of Kyron with Terri is from about 8:15, by the head of the PTA.
We have others saying they saw Kyron; and perhaps some of them saw him after 8:15; but what if they didn’t? Or what if they saw him at 8:30?
IMO, 8:45-9:12 would give Terri plenty of time to go 7 miles and pick up a coffee. That’s 27 minutes. And, if you consider the fact that the 8:45 time is only put forth by Terri, then she could’ve left with him at 8:40, 8:30, and so on.
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Phyl says:
August 25, 2010 at 5:56 pm
I know TH’s ex-inlaws had told a reporter that Terry once questioned them over their decision to purchase a boat. Evidently Terry wasn’t too thrilled that they were considering spending her son’s inheritance. First of all, what cojones on TH’s part.
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Sadly, this does not surprise me whatsoever. I can speak from personal experience. My mother recently retired and sold her home; my sister-in-law immediately started calculating how much inheritance was “owed” her and my brother. How she thought/thinks she is remotely entitled to any of my mother’s money, is a mystery to me. If anything, the share goes to my brother. However, my mom had to take early retirement due to health issues, and she needs the house money to help sustain her in a (albeit scaled-down) apartment.
But yes, my SIL was only looking at it like the house sale money was inheritance DUE her (via my brother) while my mother is still alive; as opposed to you know, what most people would figure would be left to them after their relative had died.
This same woman (my SIL) has actively tried to get me cut out of the will. So yeah, money will make twisted people even more twisted apparently.
S says:
August 25, 2010 at 8:19 pm
shelbar says:
August 25, 2010 at 11:48 am
“Teri was in control and knew the perfect time to get him to the truck.”
In the truck to where? Also, the school did not call because calling parents of absent children is not their policy. They “think” they know where the children are at all times.
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I’m sorry but I have to respectfully disagree, S.
In this case, considering Kyron was seen at the school by multiple people; and he was not signed out, as is the protocol; I believe someone would’ve contacted the parents as to his disappearance.
If he had never shown up at school that day, I agree that they wouldn’t have called. But, the fact that he was there, and then gone, would raise red flags, unless there was reason to believe that he had left with Terri. Thus, as it happened, his absence was noticed, but waved off because they believed him to be at a Dr. appt.
Had he been seen at the school, then disappeared from school property and no one checked into it, lawsuit waiting to happen.
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As to the speculation about Terri being able to pay her attorney’s fees; my assumption has been and continues to be some sort of media money. Be it interviews that were promised, or some sort of book deal or something that he believes he can wrangle; otherwise I have to imagine that he might’ve taken this case just for the notoriety and publicity factor. The only legit way I can see Terri coming up with money otherwise, would be for her parents to have perhaps taken out a 2nd mortgage — which I’m not sure would cover 350,000.
Or perhaps she has a benefactor/sugar daddy, like Casey Anthony.
@riverpearl
You dont need to give me the benefit of the doubt, that I did or didnt read what B said about James situation & what he is going through, (unless you are the room monitor between B & I) LOL~
B & I handled things just fine, thank you
@ B
That was precious about Blink Jr. Thank you for sharing~ & yes, I agree, it is sad that it is the children who suffer the most in the sometimes bad decisions we make as adults.
Will this divorce judge be able to determine that TH should be allowed to visit, or have custody of Baby Kitty if Houze asks for
that?
http://helpthesechildren.ning.com/profiles/blogs/jamie-mejia-5-and-ubaldo
I have no information that this is related in any way, and I can confirm this is not the family agents were looking for.
B
The article about TH reminded me of one of my relatives, my grandmother on my dad’s side, who is now dead, thank goodness. My grandmother could be charming, generous and sweet to friends and acquaintances and manipulative and evil to those closest to her. She was a neat freak. Her house and her clothes always had the faint smell of mothballs because she was obsessed with sanitation. When she would stay with my sister and me on a few occasions when my parents were away, she would go through our house and rearrange everything. It drove my mom crazy. My dad would just ignore it. I remember one time right after Christmas when she was watching me, she took it upon herself to take down all of the decorations from the holidays and she dragged the tree to the curb.
She also drove a wedge between people in our extended family and would pick favorites. Whenever she could control someone with money or hurtful words, she did, to her last dying breath. It took a lot of time and therapy to work through the mean things she did to our extended family. I don’t understand how someone who was petite in size could reign so large in everyone’s psyche. I wish I knew what to call her personality disorder. Maybe narcissist is part of it. She wasn’t adopted and came from a nice family, but I know that growing up, she always seemed to be drawn to wealthy people and she also seemed to enjoy charming men.
Please forgive me for going off on this tangent. I just see so many parallels between TH and my grandmother. I can certainly understand how someone like that could cause so much damage and pain in people’s lives.
Now, where is Kyron?!
It’s pretty obvious to me that TH has lost some weight as well. I think a part of her narcissistic personality wanted to make an appearance at the court house, in front of the cameras and reporters, looking her best in order to *replace* those infamous presser photos. I can’t stand TH, but you have to admit that she looked nice. Guilty, but nice. And I agree, if I were KH well…TH would have needed protection from *me* at that hearing.
One thing that’s been bothering me for a while is those concrete blocks that they took out of DS’s home. Does anyone remember those? I’m still thinking that TH and DD chloroformed little K, drove him out to Sauvie Island, tied a couple of blocks onto him and threw him in.
I’m sorry but I can’t see her being too hands on but this is enough distance that I could see it. I could be and often am wrong but I just don’t think that many people were involved in this. If they were, someone would have broken by now.
Blink: thank heaven for that (the Mejia-sanchez missing persons being unrelated to Ky). Because this is starting to resemble a conspiracy theory in which every fact or rumor that can possibly be construed to bear on Ky is pulled in, speculated about, “analyzed” ad nauseum, etc.
(Not by Blink. And not just by Blinksters.)
It’s starting to look like a psychological projective test which tells more about the testee than about the situation presented to him for interpretation (like the old Rorschach tests, but not with photos, although there is some video).
MOO. Soymilk or almond milk to the vegans here!
Blink…I don’t know if this story had any updates…but the children where believed to be abducted by their mother:
(Sorry for not posting a link in my earlier post)
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1148744&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US
http://portlandobserver.com/?p=4159
@beejay…I am sorry for speculating or adding to rumor…not my intentions at all. I’ll be the first to admit, that I’ve probably done so by posting questions here. There’s so many characters in this sad situation. We’ve learned an “awful” lot about everyone involved except for RS and AS, (besides their names and the landscaping business) nothing mentioned about their families; if they’re married, if they have children..what their timelines were for June 4th.
Why haven’t we learned more about these two….NOT just here on Blink’s website, but through any media outlets?
@ Blink,
Have agents sucessfully located the family they were looking for?
I cannot say for certain, but imo, yes.
B
I saw resolve. The face of our favorite pinata was resolute. She seemed either resolved to prove her innocence or to see this thing through as planned. She may also have compartmentalized the two issues. Kyron, in her mind, may have almost nothing to do with the divorce hearing, making her able to appear so determined at hearing. Regardless…she impressed me with her pace, her focus and her appearance….jmho and moo
Agreed and let me say this- Stephen Houze knows exactly what he is doing. Having an outstanding reputation amongst the criminals you represented and the Law Enforcement and Prosecutorial communities is no small feat.
B