Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Attorneys Call Her A Suspect
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In court papers filed Wednesday, Bunch went further, noting that Terri Horman is a “de facto suspect” in the second-grader’s disappearance…”
Portland, OR- In a voluntary appearance in court yesterday for matters relating to the pending divorce motion by estranged husband Kaine; Terri Horman showed her face for the first time since the week after her stepson, Kyron, vanished from Skyline School.
Although Kaine Horman opted to be represented by his counsel Laura Rackner and not appear personally to protect himself emotionally, according to Rackner, Terri Horman braved the fray.
Arriving with attorneys Peter Bunch and Stephen Houze, the trio was immediately met and escorted by MCSO deputies in “the box” formation to the 5th floor courtroom where local media scurried in from behind. Within 45 minutes, Judge Meisenheimer ruled in Kaine Horman’s favor and granted his request that the issues of the mortgage-sized retainer, allegedly furnished by Terri to Houze and other distribution and custody issues will be heard in a hearing on October 7, denying her request to have the issues bifurcated.
During the proceeding, Bunch argued that his Client cannot properly litigate the divorce and custody actions currently because she is.”..unable to proceed in the ordinary course to protect her rights as to discovery, property division, support and, particularly, custody and parenting time issues.”
In fact, for the first time publicly, we learn a very important detail about the criminal investigation into Kyron Horman’s disappearance.
According to her counsel, who would certainly be “in the know”, Terri Horman has NOT been named a suspect by MCSO in Kyron’s case, but she is painfully aware she is one.
Loosely translated, a defacto suspect is an unofficially declared suspect, but for all intents and purposes is definitely the target of the investigative crosshairs.
The Microsaccade Moment
Microsaccades are tiny involuntary movements of the eye generally caused by visual fixation. The result on visual perception can cause the beholder to question if they are “really seeing what they are seeing.”
I had a few of those yesterday while analyzing footage of the day’s events in conjunction with known facts of this case.
They Are:
The MCSO guard detail dispatched at the courthouse assigned to Terri and counsel et al for a family court appearance. I have spoken with a few local family lawyers who do not wish to be identified, with a combined 26 years of practice. None have ever seen this practice in a similar matter in Multnomah County. Specifically, the deputies went inside the actual hearing and waited to escort the trio out the back.
During the hearing, there was not a syllable mentioned about the driving force behind the request for expedition of the case in the first place. The very substantive weight that was used to secure an emergency custody and restraining order, which remains uncontested to date: The Alleged Murder for Hire Plot. Why wouldn’t a family lawyer looking to abate the divorce case strike at the very merits on which the plaintiff’s arguments are based? The plaintiff in this case uses an almost one year old mfh plot allegation, which was not carried out, and no person has been declared a suspect or arrested, to control every filing to date and counsel does not refute the claims therein? What possible reason could that be?
A recent interview with Terri Horman’s son James, in which he states that his Mother cannot have a computer, cell phone, or leave her parents home in Roseburg.
Blink Analysis Editorial: Sealed Criminal Indictment OR Civil Commitment?
A Civil commitment, which would have had to been voluntary, such as a concern for Ms. Horman injuring herself, or some sort of dependency is a possibility, but a highly unlikely one considering she appeared in court yesterday.
Strictly my opinion of course, but based on my microsaccades, I think it is entirely possible that Terri Horman is under a pre-arrest indictment in the matter of the alleged murder for hire plot, or some derivative thereof.
It would certainly be unlikely that she could have been booked and granted bail without a leak, but a sealed indictment, which may or may not include a sealed arrest warrant, would follow Oregon’s propensity to use the grand jury as a form of “preliminary hearing.” In light of the fact that there is an ongoing criminal investigation into Kyron’s disappearance involving Federal, county and State investigative assets, it would be entirely appropriate.
The public would not know until such time as the indictment and any potentially attached writs are unsealed. Throw in the possibility there is always the chance that Clackamas County may be the charging county for such an offense and not Multnomah.
In which case, this is about to get very interesting. Recall MCSO chief Dan Staton saying Clackamas County Major Crimes Team is involved in the case? That would suggest at least part of a crime has been established in their jurisdiction. Rudy Sanchez resides in Clackamas County.
Clackamas County District Attorney John Foote and Criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze are well acquainted. You might say that Foote owes his very job to Houze in a way-
John Foote lost as the incumbent DA in 1996 to his own deputy district attorney Terese “Terry” Gustafson. Terry was in the middle of fighting an Oregon Bar complaint at the time which cleared her name just days before the inauguration.
The embattled DA did not take long to be the subject of more ethics violations including felony perjury charges for lying to a circuit judge about releasing the file of a juvenile that was ordered to be destroyed. Gustafson was disbarred.
Who filed the Bar complaint who also represented the accused boy who was subsequently acquitted?
Who was the prosecuting attorney for the Oregon Bar?
Stephen Houze.
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@ Satori says: September 6, 2010 at 10:55 pm
“If I get the nerve to send a private email to Blink, I think I understand that it is signified by ***Private***, Is this correct?”
I had the same feeling about emailing Blink. Now, I’ve got her singing the Monte Python Spam song every time she goes to approve posts to the board. LOL…
It’s pork shoulder and ham ya know-
Lol
B
A NEW article & video about Wall of Hope today etc.
“Kyron has been missing for 96 days and his eighth birthday is on Thursday. Kaine said he and Kyron always did something special on his birthday.”
“He said the wall represents the hope for Kyron’s safe return and said he is confident his son will be home. He’s already signed Kyron up for soccer and has talked to his teachers about preparing for Kyron’s return to classes.”
“Desiree Young, Kyron’s biological mother, sent out a statement Tuesday expressing her hope that her son will be home soon. “We hope and pray that Kyron will be able to come home for his birthday,” she wrote.”
Article & video installing Wall of Hope:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/102298929.html?tab=video
http://www.katu.com/news/local/102298929.html?
evie says: “About the ‘licensing’ for RS Landscape Maint; what I see for certain is that he’s established a ‘DBA’ Doing Business As with the State, does work that doesn’t require a Board application and doesn’t have a city-issued business license that may or may not be required depending on where he actually lists the business (looks like Canby & Milwaukie would require in-person or by mail requests.. no online searches of their databases). He can basically fly under the radar.”
Rudy’s business apparently does not have an actual license which is what confused me. He registered the name so no one else in the state can use the same name. His business is listed as an active entity which means his fees are up to date basically. Any city “license” that he would apply for is simply a registration form so tax can be levied on the business income earned within that jurisdiction. IF he followed the rules and registered his business in the areas where he worked or only worked where he wasn’t required to register to pay business taxes and only did the work allowed a non-licensed landscape maintenance person, then he complied with the law and did not need an actual license relating to the kind of work he did. In Milwaukie, for example, if you do any business at all in the city limits you must pay an annual fee, but all are treated the same and it is related to your income rather than your profession as long as you comply with relevant state laws.
So if Rudy worked around Skyline School anytime from Jan. 8th, 2008, to the present, who hired him and what did he do and how often? I know that has been asked many times, because I am one of the many, but I have not seen an answer. Now that I can see how limited his business was, it makes me wonder even more what he was doing there and who chose his company if he was actually hired.
Blink’s article on Rudy said: “Of particular interest, is source confirmation that the landscaper Terri Horman hired last fall, who worked on the Horman property, had met Kyron at the residence as well as the Skyline School, where his firm had been contracted to do some work.”
Is this all the information we have about Rudy doing work at the school?
I’m sure Octaviano Angel-Gomez was mentioned before because he owns the house listed as the address #1 for Rudy’s company. That’s a very big house with 3096 sq feet, 4 bedrooms and 3 baths, purchased in November of 2006 for $329,000, on a 100 x 100 lot. Angel-Gomez got a permit in June of 2009 to replace the windows – don’t you just love all the facts you can get from Google? I love the internet, but it’s like havesting tomatoes from your garden and adding them to the salad bowl along with the leaves, flowers, dust, bugs, and all. Too much information in the house!
@twinkletoes and blink, your theory makes perfect sense to me. What I am wondering about now is how, if at all, does DD fit into all of this. Also, if it was the landscaper and his gang of bad guys who took Kyron, what about TH’s crazy day with a big chunk of time unaccounted for, and why did she act so strange when she was on the phone with DY? Is TH somehow involved with allowing Kyron to be kidnapped on that day, or is she actively running around trying to prevent it? Why wouldn’t she just dial 911 when she suspects something bad is going to happen? She could deny any involvement with the landscaper and the MFH plot, and get LE to help save Kyron.
This case continues to be full of heartache and frustration for so many. I just want to scream! TMH, aka POS, cannot outsmart the numerous law enforcement agencies that are investigating this case. I continue to hold onto the belief that this case is solvable and we will someday see TMH behind bars for the rest of her days. God bless you, Kyron.
Could someone help ‘ole confused one’ here? Concerning the 911 calls made in the Horman neighborhood before June 4, how do they tie in to this? Also, who might the person be that was under investigation prior to this investigation?
I’m trying to understand the larger social and interpersonal context here.
IF TH considered a MFH, she didn’t have to go far to hire a murderer. There was a landscaper working on the school grounds who could take care of it. (BTW, are all parents now going to have background checks also? Real background checks are expensive at the volume Portland schl system is talking about. Where are they getting the money for meaningful background checks? Or, is this a CYA, calm the natives move? Deal with any future abductions and lawsuits later; statistically, abduction from a schl is very rare. So, risk managers would give this the ok)
IF TH got “triggered” to consider MFH, what would trigger her? She hadn’t, apparently, done this sort of thing before and it would put her future at risk. Perhaps IF her husband was involved in a homosexual affair? Would that do it for anyone?
Aside from a breach of trust in the marriage, by crossing a line into the homosexual arena, a second fear would be AIDS. So, do you now practice “safe sex” within your marriage? Request that your partner get tested now for AIDS, and periodically from now own (since there could be repeated future gay affairs)? Is/was he practicing safe sex? Is that technology bulletproof?
Yeah, I can see that would eat on my mind and create a new set of daily, real life problems to deal with. IF this were true, think KH might be feeling a little MORAL responsibility here? IF he had a (gay ?)lover, I’m sure he thought he wouldn’t be found out; much less that it might eventually lead to the death of his son. I can see how he would now say he wished that he had been killed instead of Ky. And why he might want to issue memos at Intel. And throw non-team-player reporters out of pressers.
Now, who took Ky? What sex crime did they commit against him? Is that person still alive? missing? moved?
It all happens in a social/interpersonal context. But scapegoating, or isolating the contributing factors is easier.
I’d like to know more of those “data points” as KH refers to facts. About all the players. Just for my own attempt to understand the human behavior possibilities here. And the MORAL issues involved.
MOO, IMO, etc.
IMO if the end result was to get KH to pay a ransom then TH could not be placed in a situation where Ky could say she sent me into the hands of the bad guys. Nor could RS be placed in that situation. If it is true that witnesses saw Ky by a white truck I think it’s safe to say he was told to go to that white truck by someone he trusted, TH. If TH has placed herself in that situation I think it’s safe to say she never expected Ky to return. I think it’s also safe to say the person in the truck would be known to Ky and was most likely RS. RS drove off with Ky and placed him in the hands of the “devil.”
I can think of two likely scenarios, the end result was death or stashing him somewhere he’d NEVER be found. If the end result was death, payment was made by TH. If that is the case, where does she get her hands on 10K without KH knowing? The failed MFH sting leads me to believe payment was made. If she stashed him somewhere perhaps no payment was required because the people holding him either wanted a child or saw financial gain i.e., sex trafficking. The fact that KH and DY use the word “stashed” leads me to believe they subscribe to the theory he is being held by people who wanted a child. In a case as high profile as this, would they risk holding him? How does one even find such a couple? I don’t think TH would risk being the one who placed Ky into the hands of the bad guys if he was going to a loving couple. She would always risk someone spotting him in this scenario. I lean toward the sex trafficking because the child is constantly monitored by the bad guys and threatened not to tell if they are caught.
As to what happened after TH left FM2, perhaps she had an ah ha moment, she changed her mind and picked DD up for protection then raced around to find Ky but later learned from the bad guys that there’s no going back when organized crime is involved. Because TH showed signs of changing her mind the bad guys threatened her BIG TIME and because DD was present, they threatened her to keep her trap shut too. If either of them talk they will kill Ky. RS is most likely in a witness protection program, it would explain no cameras in the courthouse. DD’s People interview makes sense to me now, she wanted the bad guys to know she’s not talking. TH hiring Houze was her way of saying she’s not talking. The movie “Human Trafficking” with Donald Sutherland really opened my eyes to the trafficking theory.
Whoa…..I would be takng a real close look at DAVE, the gk at Skyline, is he “THE COOL ELECTRIC ONE? MOO
Why is that?
B
23.txmom says:
September 7, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Just read Twinkletoes post and Blink’s reply ,but the thing I keep coming back to is the rumor about the doctor’s appointment. That certainly makes TH look like more of an accomplice than just the person that opened the door to a vampire.
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I agree. The other detail that makes TH look like more than an accomplice is the “hole” on her alibi that morning when she told LE she was driving around with Kitty. That has always made me very suspicious. When the only witness for your alibi is a 21 month old, that is a problem, in my mind.
If this disappearance is related to her MFH plot, IMHO, she is in it up to her eyeballs.
Also, IMHO, she may not have ever had a contract in the MFH case to cancel. She may simply have had difficulty finding someone willing to kill her husband. Finding someone willing to commit contract murder in a death penalty state may not be that easy. In the cases that I have seen, the perps have sometimes had to look for months (even years) to find someone to make the hit. The LS could have vacillated regarding his willingness to participate, and she may have approached someone else–or not. It is possible that her plot to kill Kaine “morphed” (in her own mind) into a plot to make Kyron disappear. I think this is Kaine’s theory.
Then, there is DSS and her unaccounted time that day. What was her involvement?
For some reason, I am just not getting the Russian Mob connection. Could someone help me out on that?
Here’s a fairly recent US map of NDIC’s street-gang drug distribution involvement. Oregon is well represented:
http://www.justice.gov/ndic/pubs38/38661/images/mapA3.jpg
SJSO-I don’t really believe TH had to come up with 350k to retain Houze. That figure popped on MC’s texts IIRC and knowing her lying habits she probably exaggerated the amount. Surely a retainer to keep him wouldn’t be that high up front. Come to think about it while she was whispering sweet nothings in LS’s ear she probably told him KH had a higher ranking positon at Intel and he thought she had access to lots more money than she really did. There is no telling what she told this man to try to get him to do something. Maybe she just mentioned one time that she would love to be with him but to keep Kitty KH would have to be dead and maybe the MFH was all his suggestion and she never had any intention on carrying that out. He may have been a wee bit more unstable than she bargained for and when she decided to cut things off he bacame one pizzed off little grass cutter! Maybe he decided he would take Ky to make it look like TH did this to get back at her and to force KH to pay up but something didn’t go as planned. Maybe he liked the way things were going…his exlover up to her neck in shame/blame/divorce and heading for jail. If true revenge was very sweet to him! She could’ve been threatened by the LS months before June 4 that something was going to happen and that could be the the physical/mental change we saw happen to TH in just a short time after the beginning of the year. Makes sense now to send off her oldest child that would be able to walk or ride his bike in the neighborhood or just be out of her sight more than Kitty and Ky making him more of a target for LS/BG. I guess she thought Kitty being with her and Ky in school that they were safe! So if TH didn’t take Kyron out of the school building then a real BG did come into the school and take a child out of there. I may have answered my own question about the 911 calls in the Horman neighborhood…she may have been suspicious about everyone and every car/or noise and been on edge knowing something was going to happen but not to whom or when! I’d be like a cat on a hot tin roof too!! All MOO, my usual am rambling and now going to work. Ya’ll have a wonderful day. Looking forward to your new stuff B! Can’t wait!
Look around at my previous link to NCIC info. Here’s a national map, showing Oregon’s known DTOs (Drug Trafficking Organizations) as being of Asian and Mexican origin. There’s more info out there.
http://www.justice.gov/ndic/pubs38/38661/images/mapA2.jpg
I don’t think DeDe was “in on” any plan Terri msy have had to “off Kaine” or abduct Kyron. I think she was used by Terri on June 4th for some purpose, under some false pretense.
Terri seems not to hesitate to lie to friends about anything. Why and who sent James away is one example.
Remember this?
“Everything’s good,” she said, giving a thumbs up. “We heard that rumor. It’s just a rumor that needs to be squelched. Everything’s fine.”
She said that regarding her & Kaine’s estrangement on Mon June 28 AFTER the Saturday night sting and her late night 911 call about custodial interfereance!
More from The Oregonian article of June 28, 2010;
By 8 p.m. Monday, at least four friends had driven up the gravel driveway at Terri Horman’s blue, two-story house set in woodlands in rural northwest Multnomah County to console their embattled friend after learning of the divorce.
One friend, who asked not to be identified, said that Terri Horman still felt as though the county sheriff’s office was on her side.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_stepmom_terri_mo.html
Again I say; this is 2 days after the sting! Seems to me that Terri presents herself to friends as VIRTUOUS and victimized in order to gain sympathy and to get them to do what she wants. Note that on this night, she is presenting herself to friends as supported by LE.
Back to DeDe. I can’t imagine Terri admitting to DeDe (or anyone) she had any part in putting a child in harms way, no matter what justification or circumstance. If there were bad guys or bad things, Terri would have presented herself a random victim or as the victim of bad people taking advantage of her “goodness”.
This does not absolve DeDe of wrong doing in witholding information from LE. Not at all. And I do think DeDe may have had knowledge of Terri’s whereabouts, which would have been helpful to LE in moving the investigation forward sooner. I think much of what DeDe “knew” about what was going on June 4th were just lies from Terri.
@DEB–that statement, “the cool electric one” has stuck with me from the moment I heard it. I don’t know anything about Dave, the gk (groundskeeper?) at skyline, but it does seem that the last time Kyron was actually seen by a witness who spoke to the media (not sure what LE has) is when Kyron was on his way to see “the cool electric one.”
Happy birthday, sweet angel Kyron.
Link to RS appearance before grand jury:
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Landscaper-in-alleged-murder-for-hire-plot/DsZPsC9z3UujvXc6ZrUh-Q.cspx
So are we mum about RS present location? Does anyone know where he is or what has happened to him since the sting? I heard some speak of possible witness protection. Anyone have a clue?
I have recently gone back and reviewed the boyscout discussion. (someone just mentioned that). There are alot of sites online re troops w/ photos etc. I think it is conceivable Kyron knew James troop leader etc, with him having lived there until Jan. or so,right? I also have gone back and tried to find where we talked about an Episcopal church, because the question was about ‘what is room so & so’,which ended up being the Episcopal church. But anyway, they are very boyscout oriented, and I have found that Blink doesn’t put information out for discussion for no reason. So, just a thought to ponder.
I can’t wait to dig in deeper, this back to school stuff sure is a routine wrecker for us parents. lol! I am still trying to adjust!
Great posts and hardwork by all by the way!
@beejay, you said:
IF TH got “triggered” to consider MFH, what would trigger her? She hadn’t, apparently, done this sort of thing before and it would put her future at risk. Perhaps IF her husband was involved in a homosexual affair? Would that do it for anyone?
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I personally would feel better about my husband cheating with a man than with a woman, because frankly, I KNOW what he’s got that I don’t. LOL So, no, cheating wouldn’t do it for me. gay or otherwise.
beejay, I don’t know if you are a man or a woman (LOL!) but I am a woman. Divorced once–horrible experience. Remarried, and have been married ten years now, sometimes happily. I can tell you that I have talked to several women who were close to divorce who have admitted that they knew they had to get out of the marriage when they started wishing he’d have an “accident” on the way home. No one is prpud of these thoughts, but I think they are pretty common. It is a lot more common than we’d like to admit to wish a spouse would *poof* disappear from our lives without the mess of extracating them through divorce, custody battles, co-parenting, splitting assets. It is fantasy thinking and the majority of people dismiss it and behave appropriately. But some don’t. I don’t know why. I suppose that is an existential dilemma for each of them.
Of course, wishing they would have an accident and actually taking steps to murder them are pretty far apart. Or are they? My grandma used to salt and butter my diabetic grandpa’s eggs and being a hilariously naughty lady, she freely admitted she was “hoping the bastard had a heart attack.” Love is complicated, you guys. She never tried any traditional means of murder, I am sure of it. Just enabled him to eat the poisons he loved.
But, TH deciding to hire a hitman is a curious move, IMO. I personally think that if I were to ever decide to kill someone, I would do it completely alone and I would tell no one EVER. The more people involved, the more likely a leak. I, of course, have trust issues and have a hard time asking for help. LOL. But TH’s rampant promiscuity and hitman hiring thing has me thinking that TH may be the other end of my spectrum, highly co-dependant. She doesn’t trust herself to be alone, to act alone, to lead. She is a carriage without an engine. This doesn’t get us any closer to an answer, but just wanted to respond to your thoughts because you got me thinking, my friend.
Btw, I don’t plan to murder anyone. Not that I’d tell you.
twinkletoes says:
September 8, 2010 at 10:17 am
“… it does seem that the last time Kyron was actually seen by a witness who spoke to the media (not sure what LE has) is when Kyron was on his way to see “the cool electric one.”
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Right…!?
OK, Twinkletoes: Not about Ky, but about your Russian sex offender/upstanding businessman. And Russian Mafia in Oregon. I got curious about names of Russian origin.
Just looking at all the local University professor told me that, just to take an example, ‘Roten’ is commonly a shortened surname for Russian names such as Rotenberg. Of Jewish faith, usually. Also, a Jewish name, traced back to Russian origin. (I keep reading that Russian Mafia is predominantly Jewish)
I found one confirmation of that here:
“Here are the surnames of people connected with Russia….” [search by letter you're interested in] at this link:
http://www.vgd.ru/ENGLISH/r.htm
Why would Desiree be puzzled about kids being outside of the school? Dave/groundskeeper said he often saw them looking at the plants and worried about them getting in the way of his lawnmower.
Dave is an old hippie/great musician, now a groundskeeper
“Did you note the disjoint between DY and KH on the issue? DY felt the source “very credible” vs. KH stating it had not been vetted to LE satisfaction and until then he did not believe it as fact
B”
I thought this was Kaine attempting, in vain, to stuff the cat back in the bag.
I’ve said this before, but it bears repeating. LE must have some evidence to believe Terri was in the following area. In the press conference the DA said 10:15 to 10:45, but here they have extended the time to 11:30. They don’t just have point A (FM2) and Point B (Westwind Farm), but a ROUTE. Pings? Sightings? Video from the Skyline Tavern in the close vicinity? If LE has evidence that she was in this area during this whole time, this fills up the unaccounted for time.
“THE THIRD FOCUS IS SEEKING ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE TRUCK AT TWO FRED MEYER STORES (LOCATIONS AND TIMES PHOTOGRAPHED AND LISTED ON THE NEXT PAGE) AS WELL AS ON OR NEAR SKYLINE BOULEVARD BETWEEN APPROXIMATELY SPRINGVILLE ROAD & NEWBERRY ROAD INCLUDING ON OR AROUND GERMANTOWN ROAD AND / OR OLD GERMANTOWN ROAD AT APPROXIMATELY 10:15 AM TO 11:30 AM”
And what about this next part from the press conference and subsequent flyer?
THE FOURTH FOCUS SEEKS THE IDENTITY OF A WITNESS WHO PARKED THEIR VEHICLE ON JUNE 4. BEFORE 8:45 AM ON JUNE 4TH IN THE SKYLINE SCHOOL PARKING LOT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE LOT (SEE PHOTO ON FOLLOWING PAGE)—IF YOU PARKED YOUR VEHICLE IN THAT DESCRIBED AREA PLEASE CONTACT LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH YOUR NAME, PHONE NUMBER, THE YEAR, MAKE & MODEL, COLOR, AND LICENSE PLATE NUMBER OF THE VEHICLE PARKED IN THE SCHOOL LOT.
It doesn’t say “any witnesses” but “a witness”. It is different language from the rest of the flyer. Are they looking for someone who called in a tip but didn’t identify themselves? And why would they want all that information about the vehicle? It makes me wonder if they have photos of the parking lot that day or witnesses who described the vehicles in the south parking lot. Also, I wonder if the “witness” LE seeks is really a participant who parked their vehicle in the parking lot and then entered the white truck.
Oops! I forgot to add the link to the pdf flyer! Sorry!
http://www.flashalertnewswire.net/images/news/2010-08/1276/37434/081110_PressConferenceFlier.pdf
Hi Blink,
I have a post from yesterday afternoon that is still under moderation, I believe.
You may well know, but was just wondering about it.
Thanks and Happy Birthday Kyron!!!
regarding the sting – I believe I read in one report that the idea was to demand money from Terri for not telling police about her attempt to hire someone to kill Kaine, not to demand money for a job not done. With all the talk about Terri having something to do with Kyron’s disappearance, it wouldn’t have looked good. They really didn’t need to get money to change hands if they could have gotten her to admit on tape that she did discuss the MFH thing.
@twinkletoes:
Ignore my statement about Dave Stensen being a former musician. Because I can’t find a link to support that. I do know the connection was made. There was a DS musician, member in the early days of The Grass Roots band. I won’t take the time to verify it as Dave, the Portland schools’ Turf Technician.
His musical background is irrelevant unless someone wants to take a knowledge of electrical instruments and hook it up to the “cool electric one”. That meant Sci. Fair display, I thought. And earlier talk here and there lead to the Sauvie Is houseboat relative of a Skyline student; that guy was studying to be an electrician, IIRC.
I think Dave was busy cutting grass.
That is him beejay.
B
Good God, I’m addicted to BOC. Last night I said I was going to step back for awhile, I just can’t. Is there a rehab program from BOC addicts?! Anyway, I keep thinking of a movie that Nicloe Kidman and Matt Dillon were in years ago called “To Die For”. It was based on a true story about a woman that was a sociopath, and how she used sex to manipulate men. She got a high school kid to kill her husband. If you haven’t seen this movie, it is a great example of a sociopath and Kidman gave an excellent, Oscar nom. performance. So if you want to get an idea of how TH, being the sociapathic narcissist that she is, thinks, watch this movie. I see so many parallels between the two women.
I have always doubted the veracity of the MFH plot as being motivated by greed as I just could not see where Kaine had enough money to set Terri up upon his death to make it worth it. They look very middle class to me, which normally denotes they are in hock up to their eyebrows. Even if Kaine had a sizable life insurance policy, I’m certain he is the type of man who made sure his children would receive a significant portion (at least 1/2 per the laws) of any estate in the case of his death. However, Bunch did say that Kaine is the one with the income and had substantial savings(?). Savings from his 401K? Savings because he is thrifty and has put away a little here and there for years? Savings from an inheritance? We don’t know. Of course, “substantial” could just be lawyer talk. Terri has not spent her life as a poor person so was not ignorant enough to think Kaine rich.
On the other hand, I can see RS believing the Hormons were rich. I can also see RS having little smoochie smoochies all around Portland with his “clients.” I’m sure he is good looking and charming, from the reviews of his work, he seems to be an amiable fellow. I would not be surprised to find out he had lots of clients whose yards were not in dire need of a landscaper.
I think it’s pretty obvious that TH is a total flirt. I thought I had heard that the older kids at Skyline noticed the lash fluttering between TH and RS. This could be blog gossip, but I know I’ve read that. I can see TH and RS having a tryst and maybe even pillow-talking about killing off Kaine (TH probably told RS how horrid Kaine was to her and her son, and how awful her life was, etc.) but to involve an organized crime syndicate in a murder for $10,000? Don’t see it. That part is just too hokey for me.
Now, we don’t know for sure the dollar amount was $10,000. We just got that whiff of info out of various reports and accounts. In a town of 6,000 close to where I live, low level meth dealers are busted with 20 to 30 thousand dollars in their pockets, cars or homes. I think there is so much more EASY money in hustling meth, coke and heroin, why would organized crime involve themselves in a hit for such an inconsequential dollar amount? And, why would organized crime snatch a child for ransom or for a pay back unless the dollar amount was closer to $100,000 or more. Kidnapping for ransom normally involves payoffs of a million or more and I don’t see Kaine being able to come up with that.
I think if organized crime was involved, Terri, Kyron and Kiara would have been gunned down outside their gate or perhaps to drive a point home, in the school parking lot. That would be much easier than lurking around an elementary school parking lot traversed by 300+ people, snatching a 7 year old and doing all this whatever it was. If they knew her vehicle well enough to lurk close to it during the SF, why not just follow her when she left and shoot her? Organized crime would be much more interested in killing someone to make a point than they would getting their money in this case, especially if it was such a measly amount.
I have entertained the idea that perhaps TH was investing in drug dealing. Something like giving RS $500 to turn it into $1,000, then reinvesting, etc. Kaine said she went through his money like water and he may have eventually turned the faucet off and TH may have had to reneg on a “front” or something. I can see RS being greedy and slow enough to have already spent money he needed to pay back his supplier’s “fronts.” It’s likely they could have been in real trouble with someone, but the organized crime syndicate? Doubtful in my mind. RS may have told TH he absolutely had to have X amount or he would tell on her.
And, if organized crime was demanding a child to sell, unfortunately there are thousands barely noticed by their parents in stores, cars, parks, bus stops and front yards who are much more easily accessible than Kyron at a Science Fair attended by hundreds of middle class parents and teachers.
We have accounts that RS CAME FORWARD after he heard about Kyron’s disappearance because, by golly, he just remembered that lady tried to hire him to kill her husband. Had slipped his mind up to this point. NOT I’m sure LE had every phone number Terri dialed for the past year within hours after their initial interview with her. First, Rudy’s is not a culture where one goes to the police to report anything. Second, if RS was involved, even at the lowest possible level of organized crime, he would not go to the police for anything.
I had subscribed to the idea that Terri Hormon and poor little Kyron were victims of Terri’s previous bad decisions, but that belief has been completely blown away by the way she has acted since Ky’s disappearance. I think whatever happened to Kyron, Terri was a willing participant and part of the plan.
As soon as I heard about Kyron’s disappearance I believed another parent could have taken him. There are pervs everywhere and they usually don’t wear a sign. I could see a father, brother, uncle, or any female, etc smooth talking Ky out of the school, using him and disposing of him. And, that would still make sense to me if Kaine and Desiree had not openly said Terri did not pass any of the polys.
I can agree with everyone that during the execution of the plan, something went terribly wrong. But I have to be a dissenter that organized crime played a part in this. I strongly believe that the “who” of any previous investigation was involved in the drug trade. A substantial percentage of all LE budgets are devoted to these investigations. I do not think organized crime played any part in this, but I do smell the Fargo factor.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Wall-of-Hope-unveiled-near-Skyline-School/ESMv81Xl60OJc8erdSz–A.cspx
I want to mention that some news articles left out that dropping a student’s name after 10 days of absence in a row is the standard way of counting students. It appears the principal said that, but some reporters and articles mention that, some don’t.
“Despite Kaine preparing for Kyron’s return, the missing boy’s name will be dropped off the roll call in 10 days, Keefer said.”
Wishing for an empty desk to be left in the classroom for him is so sad and something I (we all) wish parents never had to experience.
kitjcat117 says:
September 8, 2010 at 9:20 am
IMO if the end result was to get KH to pay a ransom then TH could not be placed in a situation where Ky could say she sent me into the hands of the bad guys. Nor could RS be placed in that situation…..
This sounds very realistic to me kitjcat117.
It will remain private
Happy Birthday Kyron
You know those pictures of faces showing various emotions: happy, sad, angry, worried, surprised, etc? Well, Terri’s face at the first presser showed worry and nervousness. Kaine’s showed resoluteness with some sadness and anger, Desiree’s showed overwhelming sadness almost to the point of collapse. Terry tried to show sadness and that’s when we all felt that she was being insincere. Her eyes fluttered too much and darted from side to side…NOT what people do when they’re sad but very much part of being scared and worried. Terri watched Desiree intently as she attempted to comfort her, almost as though trying to figure out how she herself should be acting. She felt the near-collapse of Desiree and then thought,”I guess I’d better look like I’m going to collapse too so I’ll go lean on Kaine.” Unlike Desiree, Kaine or Tony, Terri couldn’t keep her body or her eyes still, almost like a trapped animal or a criminal who knows he’s been caught and will be losing his freedom soon. She seemed to be thinking, “Oh shit, what have I gotten myself into and how the hell do I get out? How did I know they were gonna care so much? It’s only Kyron. I didn’t think anyone would care since they both left it up to me to raise him.”
Your safe, I have not and will not,
B
@ Twinkletoes – I think the interest in Dave Stensen intensified when an artists rendition of a man who attacked a young boy in a park not far from Skyline school was released and it bore an uncanny resemblance to Dave Stensen, the lawn guy. There was some discussion of this on http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8404.340 comparing his picture to the artist rendition side by side. Scroll down to post #345.
Could someone please refresh my memory in regards to beejay’s interesting comments Sept 8 @ 11 a.m.?
Why did Kaine throw certain reporters out of the presser? What did they report that offended/angered him?
@ Idahogal— I understand why you need a break! Come back when you can.
Re: Idahogal says on September 7, 2010 @ 6:20 pm
Thank you for reposting Avery Villarreal’s FB & MySpace. How interesting that the FB account, which had very little activity, has something new and salty posted on September 3 at 8:45pm.. Simply F%(*^& the police (with the real F word). Wonder what that’s all about?
Just here to post a link to the article/video of the schools’ groundskeeper, Dave. The link below is the Aug 13 version which contains a timeline correction. And the 2nd link doen is the longer, original article of Aug 12.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100663409.html
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100582364.html
@ twinkltoes
Just googled “cool electric one” could pertain to a cool electric car,(does someone at Skyline drive a cool electric car?) ~motor~ or cool electric guitar~ Just thinking again ~so Dave the GK used to be a musician? just a couple of random thoughts
Tanner said the cool electric one… I’m still in hospital on “smart” phone and have no idea how to give u a link this way. Thoughts and prayers are with kyron, his brothers and sister.
Blink – Just curious as to the reason my post from yesterday afternoon is still in moderation. I am guessing it is because the part about PTA process is not verifiable, but not sure. I just want to make sure that if I did break some sort of rule, that I don’t make that mistake in the future. The basic idea of what I meant to say is that possibly when work is done that is coordinated by PTA, just like any other type of bid job, it would not be uncommon for it to go to someone that is familiar to someone at the school. That is why I was wondering if RS or any employees have ties to the school.
Your up, I had a bunch I could not publish, requests to change user ID’s and the like, sorry.
B
@evie: I think the AV FB status has to do with what I posted above from CV’s FB page. Apparently AV ‘went to jail’ in August and was still awaiting a court date. Whether it has come and gone or whether the went to jail was ‘arrested’, I have no idea.
And can we focus on just one more question if someone could give me their theories, because we don’t really know for sure….but it does seem that we keep inching a teeny bit closer each day to figuring out the puzzle.
WHY are Desiree and Kaine NOT pleading for Kyron’s return from whomever they think has him “stashed”? I think this is important and there’s got to be a good reason. In most situations like this you see the parents on t.v. begging over and over….but not this one. And I wonder if it has something to do with the whole possible scenario that organized crimesters took him and everyone has to keep quiet or Kyron will be harmed…and Desiree and Kaine know it’s no use pleading with them….? OR, they already know Kyron is deceased because of what RS told LE or whatever… WEIRD.
Playing devil’s advocate for a moment. If they believe someone is helping Terri stash him, then they would believe the allegiance would be with her, as well as saving their own ass. I am sure they are being coached as to their position.
That said, they have no reason to believe that is the case except for the lack of evidence to exclude it.
The problem I am having is that this case looks nothing like it is being portrayed by these poor beraved people and I could scream. I sincerely hope there are all sorts of sealed warrants flying around this case.
B
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?action=view¤t=81210JasonWishert.jpg&sort=ascending#!oZZ56QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2Fs296.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fmm166%2Fcrankycrankerson%2FKyron%2520Horman%2520%2520-OR-%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3DGroundskeeperT1fromklaasend.jpg%26sort%3Dascending
There are several pictures here of Stensen’s truck. This one shows the door which is marked with City of Portland logo – not PPS. It has also been mentioned numerous places that he is a turf technician with the City of Portland. Either the school district owns the soccer field and contracts with the Portland to take care of it, or it is owned by Portland Parks and Recreation, it seems. In any case, he does not appear to be a school district employee.
This led to a question(s) I had way back when (never answered) about Rudy working “at the school”. If property adjoining the school is vacant or “park-ish” (like a soccer playing area), people who saw Rudy working “at the school” may not have known where the actual school property boundaries are, and may have thought he was working for the school when he wasn’t.
There seems to be some confusion on the part of lots of people about who Stensen’s employer is.
beejay says:
September 8, 2010 at 11:25 am
@twinkletoes:
Ignore my statement about Dave Stensen being a former musician. Because I can’t find a link to support that. I do know the connection was made. There was a DS musician, member in the early days of The Grass Roots band. I won’t take the time to verify it as Dave, the Portland schools’ Turf Technician.
His musical background is irrelevant unless someone wants to take a knowledge of electrical instruments and hook it up to the “cool electric one”. That meant Sci. Fair display, I thought. And earlier talk here and there lead to the Sauvie Is houseboat relative of a Skyline student; that guy was studying to be an electrician, IIRC.
I think Dave was busy cutting grass.
That is him beejay.
B
Your correct, he works for the city.
B
29.zinnia says:
September 7, 2010 at 12:21 pm
” I cannot imagine that this is the work of dummies. I think that whoever did this is very intelligent and also very evil.
I suppose there are different kinds of intelligence, like intellect and emotional intelligence. And I hate to think about the existence of evil in our world, yet the different cases discussed here at Blink on Crime sure do seem to make a case for it.”
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@Zinnia: I have to agree with both you and TJ because there are definitely different kinds of “smarts.” I do believe that TMH thinks she is super intelligent and is proving it by outsmarting LE. I am reminded of a teenage girl with profound mental retardation in a school where I once worked. The girl would get of her seat and hit other students in the classroom who were unable to defend themselves. The teachers, behavior management staff, the principal and even maintenance staff tried various measures to keep this in her seat, but everything failed. Someone commented that the girl was too smart for her own good. I thought of the “smarts” this girl possessed which enabled her to outwit those with IQ’s much higher than her as “cleverness.” A person doesn’t have to be naturally intelligent to be clever. It’s along the line of “street smarts.” There are criminal types such as drug addicts who dropped out of school, and couldn’t keep pace with the other students when they were in school, yet are able to outwit LE who have high degrees, and many with secondary education, plus have graduated from a police academy — at least, for some time. Often, the eventual undoing of those who are simply clever, or have street smarts, comes when they become over confident in their perceived intellectual superiority and begin to feel invincible. That’s why they are staying quiet at this point — not much of a chance to slip up if you don’t talk. But, with the GJ and possibly a court case soon, people will have to talk and it will be to the undoing of the perpetrator(s).
I hope Kyron will be home soon!
@ChiaPet517:
Both the Oregonian and Willamette Week reporters were thrown out of a press conference by Kaine. This article quotes another reporter saying it was because the family did not want all the gossip and rumors. (there had been a lot of somewhat colorful family info. reported by those 2 media outlets). Here’s your link:
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/
Dear Blink,
I have been reading here and searching the web and I can’t quite wrap my mind around a theory that does encompas everything that has been submitted for our inspection to date.
But I am 100% on board with Terri being the one that invited the vampire into the house.
For those not quite up on their vampire lore..a vampire can knock at your door, but they have very refined manners..they can not come into your home without your inviting them to cross the threshold.
Seems Terri had no problem doing that with this particular vampire.
Why..because she wanted Kaine murdered, she backed off..and the vampires paid another visit and said ..we need something for our time and trouble. She figured they would eventually go away. They did not..thus kidnapping Kyron came into play.
I think Terri did set up the part at the school..the doctors appt, a caotic day when people were milling through the school. I believe she also sent him to the truck..after that her part was complete.
Tommorow is Kyron’s 8th birthday….I am hoping someone does the right thing so Kaine and Desiree can have some form of peace.
If, as many suspect, this involves, sex, drug cartels, organized crime ..then it will take longer..since one assumes all these types are constantly on LE’s radar. LE has to tread carrefully to not disrupt whatever other investigations into these groups were/are underway. Very tricky business.
O Gypsy you know it friend.
Name ONE missing persons case with this many agencies involved (Fed) for a presumed abducted 7 year old that is still missing?
B
It’s a pretty good theory that Kyron was really kidnapped in the aftermath of the MFH plot, in fact, it’s a great theory. But it doesn’t explain what in the heck Terri was setting up with the fake Dr. appointment, alibi creation, bat phones, etc.?? Kidnappers don’t usually schedule their dirty deeds in advance ~ so what was she doing? Wouldn’t she have wanted the kidnapping to be discovered & ransom to be paid to get who-ever off her back? So why the silence ~ I still say she’s the planner, not the hapless victim!
But, oh what a tangled web we weave.
I keep remembering the movie “Fargo,” where a kidnapping was staged just to collect a ransom, that was ultimately to be divided by the hubby (who plotted the crime) and the two “kidnappers.”
Nobody was supposed to be hurt, and in the end, I think the body count was 4, including the poor “kidnap victim.”
If the original intent here was not to harm Kyron, just to make him disappear for awhile and eventually return him, I certainly hope he hasn’t fallen the way that the victim did in “Fargo.”