Kyron Horman Missing: Kaine And Terri Horman Face Off In Family Court
Portland, Or– Following one of the largest organized search weekends on Sauvie Island since Kyron Horman, 8,was abducted from Skyline School on June 4, his step-mother and father squared off in family court. Kaine Horman, Kyron’s father, arrived with his attorney, Laura Rackner.
Kaine’s estranged wife Terri Horman, arrived with her criminal defense attorney; Stephen Houze and her family law attorney Peter Bunch.
Mr. Horman appeared in a crisp-white dress shirt and tie, and Ms. Moulton-Horman wore an eggplant hued suit with a long skirt.
Cameras were banned in the downtown Multnomah County courtroom; however, there were apparently several hidden “nests” as the tweets were flying real-time.
Peter Bunch, counsel to Terri Horman, is adamant his client is the subject of more than one criminal investigation:
“The state has the ability to obtain every single bit of information that is produced in this case and that is outside the bounds of what it could do were this proceeding not occurring,” Bunch said in court.
“It is fundamentally unfair for Kitty (Kiara) and for Miss Horman for me to be hamstrung in the divorce case for the information I have compared to what they have.” “The publicity that’s going on is not being driven by Ms. Horman, it’s being driven by Mr. Horman, when he tells national media there’s no doubt Ms. Horman is involved.” “If Mr. Horman is really interested in what‘s best for the child, then Mr. Horman wouldn’t object to any visitation by this child’s mother.” “We’ll concede, Mr. Horman can have the house, right now. Mrs. Horman is going to lose money…”
Terri Horman has not been declared a suspect in either Kyron Horman’s disappearance or the alleged murder for hire plot against Kaine Horman. She is however, seeking access to all of her 911 calls dating back to the DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS.
While this timeline coincides with accusations by Kaine Horman in his filings that Terri attempted to arrange to have him murdered, this is the first public revelation of that call. Bunch went on to say that Rackner and Kaine Horman, who are parties to case sensitive criminal investigation materials involving Terri, are at a supreme advantage to his client who should only be expected to plead her protections under the 5th amendment as a result.
After heated debate by those sides, we learned: Rudy Sanchez, the infamous landscaper/hitman for hire, has an alias, and has eluded service in the civil matter to date, although he appears to have cooperated. Bunch proclaims Sanchez is unlocatable as a result of MCSO unwillingness to share discovery of a witness in the civil case ( blink holds hands over eyes).
Michael Cook, a/k/a sexter king, waited all afternoon via subpoena by Rackner, but was only interviewed by the press. He states he cut ties with both Terri and Kaine days before he was outed for invasive scapular intrusions. No word on that healing process.
Terri Horman had her own personal black Friday this year.
She called 911 THE DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS. Regular contributors and readers of blinkoncrime.com doubt she had sale flyer questions.
Judge Keith Meisenheimer, was sensitive to Kaine and Kyron’s ‘round the clock nightmare, but feels some time may allow things to shake out. January 6, 2011 to be exact.
Following this afternoon’s legal melee, blinkoncrime.com Editor In Chief asked prominent Washington State Family Law Attorney, Lea Conner, to weigh in:
Although I preface my comments with the fact that I practice family law in Washington State and not in Oregon, I am an Oregon native that has followed this case closely.
I’m a bit perplexed by Peter Bunch’s reasoning that if the court were to abate the dissolution, he would respond by filing a motion to modify the restraining order so that Terri Horman could have visitation with the parties’ daughter. Essentially, Mr. Bunch is arguing that the abatement would prejudice his client’s ability to parent her child. My understanding of the Multnomah County local rules is that an abatement means that the entire case is halted. Neither party can bring a motion before the court, nor can the court hear argument or make any ruling on motions.
It was also interesting to hear Mr. Bunch argue that proceeding with the divorce would violate Ms. Horman’s right against self-incrimination in the disappearance of her stepson. This is the first time that Terri Horman has publicly acknowledged any self-incrimination issues. In her motion for abatement, Ms. Horman, through counsel, argued that the ongoing investigation into Kyron Horman’s disappearance had made it “virtually impossible…to proceed with divorce-related issues in an effective an[d] orderly fashion[.]” Were Mr. Bunch to bring a motion to allow visitation, Mr. Horman would no doubt argue that Ms. Horman’s actions demonstrate that Ms Horman or someone she knew was responsible for Kyron Horman’s disappearance, and that her behavior since Kyron’s disappearance shows that she is unstable and poses a threat to their daughter’s safety.
I do not believe Mr. Horman would raise Ms. Horman’s 2005 convictions for DUI and reckless endangerment, as not only later chose to have a child with Ms. Horman since that time, he also left both of his children in her care for extended periods while he was at work. Under those facts, it would be hard to conclude that Mr. Horman believed Ms. Horman posed a threat to their daughter. The judge’s comment that “[e]ventually, Terri will have to decide whether or not to plead the fifth, regardless of the timing of the proceedings,” seems to indicate that the judge may not be willing to hold the action in abatement past the January 6, 2011, hearing.
I’m also interested in Mr. Bunch’s comment that “Rudy Sanchez” is an alias. If that’s true, then what is Rudy Sanchez’ real name, and how exactly did he first come in contact with Terri Horman?
It was also strange to learn that Michael Cook was subpoenaed to testify at the hearing. I’m curious if there were others scheduled to testify as well. I cannot speak to how the Oregon court operates in practice. However, I note that each party provided written affidavits in support of their respective motions.
Is there some reason that Mr. Cook’s statement could only be presented in oral testimony?
I’m not sure I understand Mr. Bunch’s logic in saying “If this is not abated we will not get reciprocal discovery.”
The state is not a party to a dissolution action. In a dissolution action, the parties can seek discovery from each other, and depending on the court rules, from third parties as well.
I’m not sure why Mr. Bunch would have the impression that there would be reciprocal discovery with a third party in a dissolution action, especially when that third party is law enforcement.
There’s a disconnect between Mr. Bunch’s argument that Ms. Horman cannot defend herself because she would incriminate herself in the disappearance of her stepson, and his statement that “If Mr. Horman is really interested in what‘s best for the child, then Mr. Horman wouldn’t object to any visitation by this child’s mother.”
The apparent logic is that Ms. Horman admits that if she speaks, she will incriminate herself in some as-yet-to-be-named crime related to Kyron’s disappearance, yet Mr. Horman is now supposed to trust her to care for his other child, because that’s so obviously in their daughter’s best interest.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for updates.
Madeline Tanner, contributor and copy editor, www.blinkoncrime.com
Lea Connor, Esq., legal analyst, www.blinkoncrime.com
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@Mother hen said
Our beds are not made, floors not swept, dishes not done (okay fine, and my laundry and yard too…) -but we are not losing jobs and reputations over this.
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Laughing….I tried to clean my house yesterday…got enough done but was going to ask Blink to start posting some CLEANING YOUR HOUSE IN BETWEEN READING CRIME BLOGS (I’m fairly new at this). I think I saw some potatoes growing in the dust on my bookcase…I’m afraid to look to close though…
Maybe the beautiful,intelligent,talented,and funny(yes I’m brown nosing) Blink will tell us how she keeps her house clean…maid? maybe the blinketts chip in?
Blink -
Thank you for educating me on issues about website threats.
I had no idea…!
What you say makes so much sense…
I was sympathetic on the other site, but now I see that publishing the threat is very problematical.
At WS, on the thread about threats, Levi Page posted what I would take as a note of support. 1pm today
I also saw, reading back, that some folks had interpreted the man’s inclusion of a certain newspaper clipping about a suicide related to cyberbullying as an indicator that this man might need to be evaluated. And one of them SAID that they emailed MCSO with that concern, referring MCSO to that discussion. Will MCSO respond to that, acting out of concern for him? I don’t know how that would work given the circumstances.
So, have any forum owners who felt threatened filed charges? Or whatever needs to be done for a criminal investigation to occur?
MCSO was informed the first time on October 5th. It may revert to the jurisdiction of the author, however.
I would invite anyone and everyone to review OR criminal code.
Here is a quote from a LEO I spoke with this afternoon.
“The Law works both ways.. Believe it or not, whoever posts a threat letter like that, and openly asks people to respond disparagingly, may be open to charges of their own by the author. You can’t be threatened or harassed and then do the same thing back to someone, what the Hell would they need us for in the first place if that’s the case..”
B
I am thankful that Blink runs this site so we do have
these people like the cousin and x boyfriend here
we can all go read them elsewhere
and I do but I am glad to be back here
Thanks Blink
Do not have these people here
I mean
Hey Twink! Welcome back!! I have said that very same thing for awhile now. That’s the main reason I couldn’t buy into all of TH’s friends helpin’ her out, somebody would have either talked by now or their stories would not be matching up. To many cooks in the kitchen kind of thang…er thing.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
@beejay – I agree about the RO handwriting. Maybe Rackner waited to get permission from someone in LE to add that statement. Wasn’t it a DEA agent who went along on the sting? Maybe the sheriff didn’t give his permission but another agency did? Kaine wrote “the police”.
I keep going back to the “grain of truth” that I have decided is spread all through this case if you can find it. Maybe that’s what Tony meant by connecting the dots – if we could find and connect all the grains of truth, we’d have a picture of someone.
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newsatfive says:
October 18, 2010 at 2:12 am
Terri checks in with the friend or gets a call saying Rudy took Kyron to go do something, say, fishing or berry picking for the day — or learns that Kyron has suddenly wandered off, and all hell breaks loose.
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Your suggestion that Terri was planning to leave Kaine is probably true, although I can’t see it happening on June 4th. (Maybe the “appointment” was really with a divorce attorney or an obgyn.) Terri would have planned it better, you’d think – she’s done it twice before. She said Kaine was controlling, but I don’t think she ever said he was dangerous or threatening. Something to think more about.
I do think Kyron would have raised a lot of questions and maybe a big fit about being gone from school unexpectedly, especially on a SF and talent show day. He knew he was going to Medford later. It would make no sense to him to have to stay with someone on a school day or to so something else even if it was fun. And we know he wasn’t a kid to wander off – so I don’t see any way it could have happened unless he was forced, very carefully lied to, or Terri ordered him to go.
The doctor’s appt might have done it but he probably would have complained about the timing. Why he’d go to the doctor with anyone other than Terri wouldn’t have made sense though. Kids are smart about routines and they don’t accept changes as easily as we do. The kids in our family would be nervous about going to the doctor (shots?) anyway and would not accept going there with a “friend” of the family or anyone except a parent/grandparent. (Of course, the doctor wouldn’t accept that either, but we are talking about a possible lie, anyway.)
So Kyron might have been told what you suggest, or someone keeping him might have been told that, but I can’t imagine it being accepted by either of them without any sort of assistance or insistence from Terri.
I had a handyman from the neighborhood do some work for me. He talked about how cute my 3 year old grandson was (they never played or were alone together) and then one day he said he thought they could have a lot of fun if he could take him to the school playground after school – just the 2 of them. He was never allowed near my property again. He may have been a nice guy who didn’t have kids of his own, but where my family is concerned, I am not a “nice guy”. I couldn’t find any criminal background on him, but that didn’t change my feeling or my decision.
Believe it or not, whoever posts a threat letter like that, and openly asks people to respond disparagingly, may be open to charges of their own by the author
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WS did not openly ask people to respond disparagingly. Quite the contrary.
Halt. You cannot post half a quote out of context.
I did not say that, I was quoting a LEO. My opinion is on the record. This is not about who is right and who is wrong, this is about safety. More importantly, in the instant matter, this is about Kyron Horman.
B
beejay says: October 18, 2010 at 10:21 am
“@Lea Conner: the RO and the dissolution matter had already been consolidated by the judge. Is that what you meant?”
beejay says: October 18, 2010 at 10:30 am
“According to CBS affiliate KOIN, a judge consolidated the restraining order and divorce into one case on Tuesday.”
link: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20010635-504083.html
The Horman restraining order is case no. 1006-66086. The Horman dissolution matter is case no. 1006-66084.
Peter Bunch’s motion to modify restraints that is signed on October 13, 2010, bears the case number for the restraining order matter (Case no. 1006-66086).
Restraining order:
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Horman_restrain.pdf
Petition for visitation (filed in restraining order matter):
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Terri+Horman+Petition.pdf
http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/4/4/7/44761db4-e9a6-466d-9951-d1946344e2a9/Terri_Paperwork.pdf
(Note that KOIN’s document contains the court’s file stamp, while the KGW document is not from the court file.)
Divorce papers:
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Horman+divorce+papers.pdf
Either Mr. Bunch is mistaken as to the status of the restraining order as a separate matter, or KOIN was wrong about the consolidation order.
peg says:
October 18, 2010 at 10:04 am
Peg, dear friend: I want whatever kind of coffee you’re drinking. Incredibly you found a way to tie together TH with TYH !
Falstaff says:
October 16, 2010 at 10:50 pm
@loreli48
Something way out of the ordinary happened here. Does anyone remember ever seeing a bill board in Russian or Spanish here in Portland before? I have not, something very different happened here, probably very scary too by the way the the sheriff office has responded.
———————————————————————-@Falstaff … you’re kind of creeping me out a little regarding a sudden Russian or Spanish sign around town which no one seemed to notice before (or after?) Ky disappeared. Not sure exactly what you’re talking about here but you’ve got my full attention. Can you please elaborate on what you mean regarding the signs, the sheriff’s office response and what exactly that might have to do with Kyron’s case?
Wasn’t it Kurtis (Ky’s classmate) who said Ky told him he had a Drs. Appointment that day the 4th?
Since Blink indicated “Ky did not leave with Terri” it leaves us with…who?
I have a sense that Terri may have had a friend in her truck watching Kiara. The friend (grabber well known to Ky) met Terri at the school went over to Terri’s truck (before she took Ky inside) and sat inside the truck with Kiara while Terri took Ky inside the building. Terri walks out of the school after telling Ky so and so friend is going to take you to the Dr. because I have to go get medicine for Kiara. Upon seeing Terri come out of the school the friend (grabber) gets out of Terri’s truck and over to his/her vehicle. Terri leaves. Shortly thereafter instruced by his Step-mom Ky walks out and goes to his/her (grabber)car. Ky and friend (grabber) leave. Make sense?
mosaic,I get my exersize jumping to conclusions and chasing shiny things. My tinfoil hat may have fallen off while I was writing..
But one of the things the Sheriff said,something about learning things they would rather not have,has stuck in my mind. If you learn of a strong Zeta presence in your town,I think it’d be scary. Lots of kidnapping going on in Mexico,and new imagrants might not know how Americans react..
Don’t know how to do quotes here.
beejay says:
October 18, 2010 at 1:44 pm
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I believe the real question should be is there relevance to the fact that the man sent the letter dated Oct 1 2010 asking for a specific amount of money on the same day that Desiree made an open plea to the public for the reward money to be increased?
Does anyone know how much has been raised for the reward? I couldn’t find it yesterday and not sure where to look. Last I heard money was filtering in but have not heard how much. Desiree seemed to think the reward would make a difference, yet I find it odd that if it has been increased and it is believed that it would change the outcome, that there has not been a public announcement 17 days later
He wrote some prior to Oct. 1, fyi.
B
More thinking out loud after reading a bit…like @Mockingbird I keep remembering that TY said he is convinced that TH is responsible, and when you connect the dots it is so clear. I can’t find a link to the interview anymore, sorry. Anyway, he is a LEO and detective, and he is closer to this situation than just about anyone else. I’ve tried really hard to think of alternate theories without TH being directly involved in Ky’s disappearnce. It’s pretty hard to connect the dots we have without them leading to her. IMO if she was blindsided someone did a darn good job of setting her up. I really think this whole case is going to end up involving some very dangerous thugs involved in some very bad things that TH unwittingly got herself entangled with. I just don’t have the words to express my anger and grief. The whole thing is just horrifying.
BTW, the fact that billboards were put up in Spanish and Russian tells me that there is a large population of both cultures in the area and nothing more at this point.
FWIW I may have to stop posting here, because it is starting to feel a bit dangerous and I don’t need that. The only reason I even came on board was because I thought I could help find Kyron Horman, and it made me feel like at least I was doing SOMETHING in the effort to do so. I thought we would figure it out and Blink would call LE and say “Hey, I know what happened!” and Kyron would come home safe and we would all be so happy. How naive of me, if only it could have been that simple.
@11.justice23 says:
October 18, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Falstaff says:
October 16, 2010 at 10:50 pm
@loreli48
Something way out of the ordinary happened here. Does anyone remember ever seeing a bill board in Russian or Spanish here in Portland before? I have not, something very different happened here, probably very scary too by the way the the sheriff office has responded.
———————————————————————-@Falstaff … you’re kind of creeping me out a little regarding a sudden Russian or Spanish sign around town which no one seemed to notice before (or after?) Ky disappeared. Not sure exactly what you’re talking about here but you’ve got my full attention. Can you please elaborate on what you mean regarding the signs, the sheriff’s office response and what exactly that might have to do with Kyron’s case?
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Are you referring to the donated billboards with Ky’s Missing info? If so there were quite a few posted around town in different languages. I saw one on I-84 a couple of months ago. What’s up??
“But one of the things the Sheriff said,something about learning things they would rather not have,has stuck in my mind. If you learn of a strong Zeta presence in your town,I think it’d be scary. Lots of kidnapping going on in Mexico,and new imagrants might not know how Americans react..”
Peg, Your tinfoil hat is working just fine! As for mine, I think I just backed over it with the wheels of my swivel chair.
I hear what you’re saying about the kidnapping. I have many relatives who live in Argentina — one was one of Los Desaparecidos (victims kidnapped and presumably murdered by the military junta). Sometimes I wonder if we realize how valuable our democratic republic truly is…it’s not a perfect system but the safety we enjoy in our freedom of speech is to be treasured and guarded.
I had a gentleman hairdress once ask me for a picture of my eldest son. He had been cutting both myself and younger son’s hair also. It made me really uncomfortable. We never went back. If he had asked for both son’s pictures it wouldn’t have seemed so strange. My sons were about 6 and 8 years old at the time. I made it a point always knowing where they were and never left them alone with even relatives. I would lurk outside the men’s room and if they weren’t out in 2 minutes I would open the door and call them.
MidWest Mom,
I just read your latest post that included Blink’s comments and my head is just spinning!!!
@ Mother Hen says:
October 18, 2010 at 10:34 am
Hi Madilu,
I enjoyed reading your post. I want to point out that I don’t think Blink was indicating arrogance from Mr. W
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Yes, I got that -just making a point…
lyla says:
October 18, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Something way out of the ordinary happened here. Does anyone remember ever seeing a bill board in Russian or Spanish here in Portland before? I have not, something very different happened here, probably very scary too by the way the the sheriff office has responded.
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Are you referring to the donated billboards with Ky’s Missing info? If so there were quite a few posted around town in different languages. I saw one on I-84 a couple of months ago. What’s up??
lyla …
Yes, I guess I am. At first, I wasn’t really sure what I was referring to because I was only responding to something falstaff had said about something significant had happened in Skyline recently to make the sheriff’s respond the way their office had, then also mentioned something about noticing signs in both Spanish and Russian around town when they hadn’t noticed them before which made me wonder what was being referred to. After I googled it, I realized the signs they had put up around town regarding Ky’s disappearance was what falstaff must’ve been referring to because the article mentioned they were in English, Spanish and Russian. All that says to me really is that Portland probably has a large Spanish and Russian population … unless there’s something the locals know about this case specifically that I don’t. Wasn’t sure what to make of it initially was all, which is why I asked falstaff to explain. All’s good now though {:)
@mosaic says:
October 18, 2010 at 3:14 pm
peg says:
October 18, 2010 at 10:04 am
Peg, dear friend: I want whatever kind of coffee you’re drinking. Incredibly you found a way to tie together TH with TYH !
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And… they both, “Like” Family Feud! (game on FB)
Can someone tell me who TYH is? I just can’t figure it out at the moment.
Idahogal says:
October 18, 2010 at 4:42 pm
FWIW I may have to stop posting here, because it is starting to feel a bit dangerous and I don’t need that. The only reason I even came on board was because I thought I could help find Kyron Horman, and it made me feel like at least I was doing SOMETHING in the effort to do so. I thought we would figure it out and Blink would call LE and say “Hey, I know what happened!” and Kyron would come home safe and we would all be so happy. How naive of me, if only it could have been that simple.
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I think maybe that I know what you mean about feeling a bit dangerous – but please don’t leave us unless you really feel you need to. I have enough in my past to understand the feeling of fear that bubbles up – for myself and my family. I have given up visual things like movies and evening news, and try to provide some emotional distance by reading and writing about distressing things instead of watching them. I try to express other feelings through music mostly. I pull back more if I start having nightmares. My fears are based on a series of real events, but those events are not happening to me now and I have to remind myself of that.
I totally identify with your expectation about solving this case. It was a bit of a “high” at first, and then a let down for me to realize we don’t even have a way to collect all the puzzle pieces, let alone put them together – and then a reminder that it’s not about me.
If we are not the ones to find the answers in this case, we have still shown remarkable determination and creativity in our investigation in spite of the uphill climb, and we will offer a tearful cheer when it is solved. We have surprised ourselves and raised awareness by the things we have discovered and shared – things that also need our attention and that of lawmakers, in some cases. We are making the cry for justice louder by adding our voices in an intelligent, sane, and orderly way – with Blink’s help.
Your posts have helped me and I thank you. If you need to stop, that’s OK, but don’t forget that from my point of view, you have made a genuine contribution to this group.
Dangerous how? I missed that.
B
Evreone is only 6 removes from anyone else..
Darn tinfoil hat anyhow.
But-if I remember right- Kyrons dad is in LE. He busts some drug runners/dealers. Makes the gang mad. Landscaper has ties within the gang,and an in with SM. Kidnapping is a way of life for them,but we don’t react the way they expect-cops/media/web sites..in Mexico they try to scrape up the ransom and keep the cops out of it.. Kyron is in Mexico.. Not with a big-wig,cause the kidnapper goofed bigtime,so he is in fear for his life.. Kiron is in much danger,but alive..
All of this is my own thoughts brought on by too much coffee and loss of the tinfoil hat. IMO.. Do love this site,everyone is only interested in bringing justice …
http://www.katu.com/news/national/105174929.html
Where the heck was the “village” when this guy (I can’t say father) left the wedding drunk with his 3 year old son and couldn’t remember 25 hours later where he’d left him or the car? There are a lot more guilty people than just one man, IMO.
I am on facebook and I “liked” a support group for Kyron back in the early days of his being abducted. It’s a group that doesn’t really do theory’s and doesn’t put up with a bunch of bad talk about anybody really and I have enjoyed looking at the pics that Kyron’s family sends to them.
The last couple of days though I’ve noticed that they are into promoting things to sell…. “Now available..Kyron’s Heroes Shield of Strength”,(direct quote from facebook status for this group) I’m guessin’ this money goes to the same place that all the fund raiser money goes, but it’s botherin’ me how they are actually “hawking” their wares. Maybe it’s just me being a little over sensitive?
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
That guy is not good fish owning materal,much less a child.
lizzygoat says:
October 18, 2010 at 1:36 pm
@Mother hen said
Our beds are not made, floors not swept, dishes not done (okay fine, and my laundry and yard too…) -but we are not losing jobs and reputations over this.
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May I suggest Messies Anonymous?
http://www.messies.com/
About the Billboards
Have never, ever, seen billboards in other languages in the city of Portland. Somewhere, long ago I read that they were “directed to a certain population,” landscapers? We do not have that many Russians or Mexicans to warrant billboards in foreign languages, only a very small population would be able to read them? Why no billboards in an Asian language, we have a large population of Asian people? Portland’s Chinatown is not far from Sauvies Island, seem far-fetched? So do the billboards in Spanish and Russian.
25.peg says:
October 18, 2010 at 8:40 pm
Evreone is only 6 removes from anyone else..
Darn tinfoil hat anyhow.
But-if I remember right- Kyrons dad is in LE. He busts some drug runners/dealers. Makes the gang mad. Landscaper has ties within the gang,and an in with SM. Kidnapping is a way of life for them,but we don’t react the way they expect-cops/media/web sites..in Mexico they try to scrape up the ransom and keep the cops out of it.. Kyron is in Mexico.. Not with a big-wig,cause the kidnapper goofed bigtime,so he is in fear for his life.. Kiron is in much danger,but alive..
All of this is my own thoughts brought on by too much coffee and loss of the tinfoil hat. IMO.. Do love this site,everyone is only interested in bringing justice …
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I’m sorry to if I seem too “sleuthy,” but Peg has me curious.
I’ve heard the “Darn tinfoil hat anyhow” line before as well as the syntax of the post (and the use of the comma….very familiar).
Do the letters G and L and P seem familiar to anyone? Just asking.
MOOs all around.
@25.peg says:
October 18, 2010 at 8:40 pm
Evreone is only 6 removes from anyone else..
Darn tinfoil hat anyhow.
But-if I remember right- Kyrons dad is in LE. He busts some drug runners/dealers. Makes the gang mad. Landscaper has ties within the gang,and an in with SM. Kidnapping is a way of life for them,but we don’t react the way they expect-cops/media/web sites..in Mexico they try to scrape up the ransom and keep the cops out of it.. Kyron is in Mexico.. Not with a big-wig,cause the kidnapper goofed bigtime,so he is in fear for his life.. Kiron is in much danger,but alive..
All of this is my own thoughts brought on by too much coffee and loss of the tinfoil hat. IMO.. Do love this site,everyone is only interested in bringing justice
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Hi Peg,
Kyrons’s Step Dad Tony Young is a detective with the Medford Police Department and he is Desiree’s (Ky’s real mom) husband. Kaine Horman is Ky’s real father. Terri Horman is Ky’s Step-Mother. Things can be confusing..just trying to clarify.
@ S.H. says:
October 18, 2010 at 9:24 pm
lizzygoat says:
October 18, 2010 at 1:36 pm
@Mother hen said
Our beds are not made, floors not swept, dishes not done (okay fine, and my laundry and yard too…) -but we are not losing jobs and reputations over this.
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Except now my floors are swept and dishes done -and even a few more bucks in the bank:-)
Hello! Telephone game here! No fair! That was actually a Madilu quote
As usual, I’m trying to think “outside the box”. And this is my opinion only.
I do not think TH “unwittingly” participated in Ky’s disappearance period! Kyron disappeared for a reason albeit unbeknownst to us. TH knows why he disappeared and she’s pointing the finger at RS. And who led Ky to RS…TH. Who was blindsided?…..Kyron Horman…God bless his innocent soul. This is about justice for Kyron. I am patient. I have faith in our LE and their ability to solve this case..in due time.
Also, my thanks to Blink/staff for providing this forum for all of us to post our opinions.
@riverpearl says:October 17, 2010 at 12:54 am
“With what we “know” of “criminal history’ of AS-S, is it possible TMH could have “gone for the bad boy” thinking “he would be more likely to do a MFH’ ?
JMHO … questioning.
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RE: evie says: October 16, 2010 at 11:34 pm
Idahogal, I’m still musing over your other thoughts. Hard for me to see an affair w/TH & AS-S (mug shot).
riverpearl says:October 17, 2010 at 1:10 am
PS. Just “what type” does TMH “go for” ?
Look @ her 2 ex-husbands & present one- the most “common trait” these men “share” beside TMH, their “marrying has HER income bracket increasing”. IMO TMH “picks” the “man” for “the needed job”, so to speak.TMH’s “men” each progressed HER move North, her education etc. So, following that premise, she would “want” a “bad boy” for the “MFH job”. Also, as another poster pointed out, the pregnancies & resulting child result in TMH “claiming inheritance right & other money”. IMO pregnancy & child(ren) seem to be used also, to advance $$$ TMH agenda.
JMHO …questioning.”
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It’s so hard to do quotes here, but this is me talking now. I say, it’s hard for me to see an affair w/AS-s. You, fairly, say ‘Why? What IS her type?’. It’s difficult to explain, it’s a lot of gut feeling. Maybe it’s just my bias.. RS=potentially attractive to me, AS=not so much. I have to agree with you about her ‘marrying up’, but I doubt she saw any lover liason as a long-term prospect. It’s hard to get my head around any of it, to tell the truth. KH seems so non-sexual in the family photos (manner of dress/grooming/external stuff) and truthfully, so does TH. They all look as wholesome as apple pie, and over an extended period of time. I dunno what I’m trying to say here. I guess this: If sex was involved in this (as B says), it was a tool, not out of some urgent need. I know several of you will say ‘well duh’ but that’s why I don’t buy any of the ‘affair as motive’ theories. If TH was sexual with any of these actors, it wasn’t for her own sexual gratification, or of the heart, it was purely utilitarian to her. I see money and status as her motivators, and if she had wanted to keep moving up the food chain, the last person she’d want to be caught out with is, forgive me, an illegal Mexican yard worker and there were plenty of likely suspects in their circle of friends. I think too that her financial aspirations are modest in scale.
@ neighbor says:
October 18, 2010 at 1:11 am
“I also have an odd feeling that Ky left with somebody on foot (out the back of the school towards the RR tracks).”
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neighbor, I’m shocked to read that from you. I really thought that ‘on foot’ was not an option…
@ Idahogal says:
October 18, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Don’t you dare! We need you here, missy. Plus, I thought you’re in Idaho. Who’s got bus fare there anyway.
Hi all you wonderful Blinkers…I’ve been reading here for awhile now and have really gotten hooked. I check for news regularly on a few different cases, google people so thoroughly that I’m sure they feel a tickle, and think through theories and scenerios until my head bobs. And it’s
all because of you. You are Angels.
Blink I can only say I am thrilled. This sort of drive for truth and justice is not a job or a hobby-it is truly a gift. Bestowed upon you, me, Kyron, Morgan, Zahra, David, and all of the other innocent children who die in small dark closets, or who feel their brother and sister die right next to them in dark closets. I’m hoping the graphic statement isn’t too vulgar, but it illustrates the feelings that drove me to thank you all.
This morning on my way to work I was listening to a song by Po’ Girl called Sweet Angels of Grace and my heart was filled with the spirits of those who have drawn our service- the innocents. These four lines stretched my heart wide open with pain for those spirits-
But if I could find
heaven instead of this place
I would leave this town
sweet angels of grace
There’s that. Children and adults reaching for heaven because, well, it was a better place.
But then there’s you. Blink with her sparse words and fierce loyalty who will never leave you guessing. Mothers and fathers and who know what you all do besides jumping in your car and driving to a crime scene so as to give a better description for your fellow Blinkers. Sleuthing, researching, doin the math–thank you all…I’m proud to be a lurker here.
Thank you for your kind words. I will check out your recommendation of song. I have a very kind and loving friend whose music fills my ears at times of trouble, like a hummingbird.
BOC editors are far from angels. We just report on them.
B
RE;#24 Mockingbird sings
Idahog implies that she may not come here again because SHE IS AFRAID…wHAT IS SHE AFRAID OF?? I can’t imagine being afraid of
Blink’s Blog. She’s a smart, savvy lady and if anyone on the net has
a safe, well-protected blog.it is Blink.
Hi SH and Izzygoat,
The quote is actually from Madilu
Idaho Gal,
Like Blink, I am not sure I understand what you mean by “dangerous.” I understand MockingbirdSings interpretation. I understand certain events can lead to revisiting unpleasant things in a person’s past, which could feel “dangerous.” I am not sure if that is what you meant.
I’m not trying to be invasive, I just want to understand what you wrote. I hope that makes sense.
Thanks S.H. for the messy link. Normally my motto is A CLEAN HOUSE IS A SIGN OF A WASTED LIFE but even I have my limits…but I do a lot of artwork and I always have piles of art supplies.
Madilu, Sorry I missed your original post…the bookcase is still dusty but I did clean the refrigerator coils!
I kept thinking in the beginning that I would only be reading this blog for a few weeks until Kyron was found…now I read Peter’s blog too! Thank God I have a job where I make my own hours!
@LPB. LOL I am lost in what the hat says., can’t seem to relate
Prayers for you, Kyron. You are loved by so many.
@idahogal
I get uneasy on line and blogs
and I have been here and there a few yrs
this is a good site Blink does a great job
but one must always be aware this is the Internet
and be careful
this is about Kyron and his parents
your posts have been great
we all just want Kyron home
Idahogal~
Is your “dangerous” remark because of “who wishes to remain nameless threats” ?
If so, remember Blink has had @ least 1 communication from him & posted it w/her reply.
Please, take in to account BLINK reads every submission, she is the mod. If she feels a poster comments are “out-of-line” she does not post.
Saying all of that, “the person who wishes to remain nameless letters” to other sites appears possible “to be dangerous”. I, as others here, are giving “all of that’ a ” wide birth”. Just as the “DDS/cousin” “postings” are in “un-vetted WTH pile”, it shows there are some who “cannot seem to stay out of Kyron’s case”.
Now just think of what little we “actually know” and the constant WTH moments had & it brings into perspective the sheriff’s remarks “there are things we wish we did not know”.
I do not know if any of this will help but try to remember “flying @ 30,000 feet”~ some things WILL just fade away.
There won’t be many more continuous dry, sunny days left to be had for awhile, so push away from the computer & go out & enjoy the fall weather,
Be kind to yourself. Be well.
If I had to guess, I would bet Idahogal is referring to the unsavory type of people who might not like something she says and then begin to annoy or harass her. Believe me, it’s not nearly as “paranoid” as some might think. The world is full of whackadoodles!
I am taken aback that “this teacher” is back in her class-”Elgin teacher, accused of DUII after hitting deputy’s car, welcomed back “..
“he landed behind bars Oct. 7 after rear-ending a parked Multnomah County sheriff’s cruiser with her SUV on Interstate 84 east of Troutdale. Police say she had been drinking.”
“Multnomah County Sgt. Diana Olsen was standing outside the patrol car working a construction zone traffic detail and dived inside to keep from being hit. She suffered minor injuries. Olsen is known for coordinating the search for Kyron Horman, who disappeared June 4 from Skyline School in northwest Multnomah County.”
“Scoubes, who was not hurt, was en route to Portland to lead a writing workshop for teachers, said Elgin School District Superintendent Larry Christman. She is now charged with driving under the influence of intoxicants, two counts of reckless endangering, second-degree criminal mischief, and third- and fourth-degree assault, said Multnomah County sheriff’s spokeswoman Mary L. Lindstrand.”
“”It’s none of our business,” said Christman, 74, of the decision not to impose sanctions. “It had nothing to do with kids.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2010/10/elgin_school_teacher_accused_of_duii_after_hitting_multnomah_county_deputys_car_welcomed_back_by_som.html
LMHO Do you think they would feel different if she had driven that way in Elgin & hurt one of their own ? IMO This woman is in a position of authority w/ HS students & IS showing teens it is ok to drink & drive & really no consequence. I have no patience w/ drunk drivers.
JMHO
I think LPB is referring to Peg’s post and thinking it may have come from Cousin Tom? Am I right or wrong? Just trying to help out. GLP-God like productions.
Below is a segment of an interview of Profiler Pat Brown w/ Smashing Interviews Magazine 09/22/2010
Quote/Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): The seven-year-old Portland, Oregon boy Kyron Horman has been missing since June 4, 2010. His parents recently had to endure his 8th birthday without him. If his stepmother, Terri, was involved in the disappearance, the police have mentioned that perhaps she had an accomplice.
Pat Brown: They believe there are people who know more than they might have been telling, that someone may have aided and abetted Terri in some fashion perhaps after the crime, during the crime, maybe with full knowledge, limited knowledge, or no knowledge. They’re thinking that when her friend went to stay with her she may have gotten information from Terri or discussed things with her that will be useful to the investigation.
Anybody who hangs around Terri Horman has to be a little bit questionable. Her behaviors are so concerning. Even if I didn’t think she was guilty of anything, I don’t know that I would want to be her buddy. She has a lack of interest in Kyron, she’s constantly focusing on herself rather than him, and she has bizarre behaviors like sexting, which brings negative attention to herself.
The only behaviors Terri should have ever exhibited would have been a desire for the investigators to do their jobs, to find Kyron, and to do everything she could not to make things more difficult or more confusing. But, she does the opposite and in doing this she is bringing attention to herself whether she’s guilty or not.
This may just mean she’s showing signs of psychopathy or narcissism and may have nothing to do with the crime. On the other hand, this is the kind of person that would commit that crime. It’s not impossible for her to have committed a crime like this if that was true of her. That’s why the focus is on her.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Do you think it’s inevitable that Terri will be arrested?
Pat Brown: No, they have to come up with something that’s going to work in a court of law.
Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): Like finding a body.
Pat Brown: Yes, they need a body. I don’t think they’re going to find a live body no matter what. It just makes no sense that the child was taken and put somewhere. There’s no logic behind that. Could I be wrong? Gosh, I hope so. I’d be happy if Kyron is found alive. But, realistically, they’re looking for his body.
They have Terri Horman acting in a very peculiar manner, failing a polygraph (which is not admissible in court), covering up a crime because she likes to lie or perhaps was having an affair and didn’t want her husband to find out about that. But, there’s no proof she abducted Kyron, took him someplace, hurt him or killed him. You haven’t got a case to go to court no matter how much you believe she’s involved.
/Un-Qquote
http://smashinginterviews.com/interviews/newsmakers/pat-brown-interview-van-der-sloot-most-likely-date-rapist-with-rage-problem
IMO There has been a real shift overall and in the blogs in this case. Is started for me on the last search with Beejays heartfelt post on the searchers, dogs and horses and the soup and well, the soul of it all. I also felt the shift when one of our Portland neigbors wrote about while passing the school. There have been the sad stories of posters that bring out the compassion or empathy in us all. There just seems to be a kind of collective change, and it seems to have come through on the blogs both for the good, which I have read and the apparent bad, which I have not. Now there is fear on the blogs? I was hoping it would it would be the calm before the storm.
After two more gut wrenching weekends of searching, Kyron has not been found. I guess that is good news to those with hope of him being found alive and bad news for those who are searching for evidence. The torment that this must put his family through each and every time is unimaginable. I so want the empty searches to be a good thing, but when LE is in recovery mode, I guess it is not.
Moving on just brings more questions. Why don’t the journalists investigate this case? Wasn’t today the last scheduled day of the GJ witnessess? Is this the end of the supeonas? If so, will they vote? Why can’t TH ever testify to anything without incriminating herself? (That says volumes.) Where did she get that money and how can it not be a gift, loan, or martial asset? Are we to believe that RS has more aliases then what we already know about? Why did Elsy leave and was it willingly and is she even related to this case? WHY can someone refuse to speak when a little boy is missing, and more to the point HOW?
Another observation, IMO, it seems that when we get close to an answer about anyone in this case, we stop short. Going back through the threads, there is great momentum and then we change the subject.