Kyron Horman Missing: Kaine And Terri Horman Face Off In Family Court
Portland, Or– Following one of the largest organized search weekends on Sauvie Island since Kyron Horman, 8,was abducted from Skyline School on June 4, his step-mother and father squared off in family court. Kaine Horman, Kyron’s father, arrived with his attorney, Laura Rackner.
Kaine’s estranged wife Terri Horman, arrived with her criminal defense attorney; Stephen Houze and her family law attorney Peter Bunch.
Mr. Horman appeared in a crisp-white dress shirt and tie, and Ms. Moulton-Horman wore an eggplant hued suit with a long skirt.
Cameras were banned in the downtown Multnomah County courtroom; however, there were apparently several hidden “nests” as the tweets were flying real-time.
Peter Bunch, counsel to Terri Horman, is adamant his client is the subject of more than one criminal investigation:
“The state has the ability to obtain every single bit of information that is produced in this case and that is outside the bounds of what it could do were this proceeding not occurring,” Bunch said in court.
“It is fundamentally unfair for Kitty (Kiara) and for Miss Horman for me to be hamstrung in the divorce case for the information I have compared to what they have.” “The publicity that’s going on is not being driven by Ms. Horman, it’s being driven by Mr. Horman, when he tells national media there’s no doubt Ms. Horman is involved.” “If Mr. Horman is really interested in what‘s best for the child, then Mr. Horman wouldn’t object to any visitation by this child’s mother.” “We’ll concede, Mr. Horman can have the house, right now. Mrs. Horman is going to lose money…”
Terri Horman has not been declared a suspect in either Kyron Horman’s disappearance or the alleged murder for hire plot against Kaine Horman. She is however, seeking access to all of her 911 calls dating back to the DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS.
While this timeline coincides with accusations by Kaine Horman in his filings that Terri attempted to arrange to have him murdered, this is the first public revelation of that call. Bunch went on to say that Rackner and Kaine Horman, who are parties to case sensitive criminal investigation materials involving Terri, are at a supreme advantage to his client who should only be expected to plead her protections under the 5th amendment as a result.
After heated debate by those sides, we learned: Rudy Sanchez, the infamous landscaper/hitman for hire, has an alias, and has eluded service in the civil matter to date, although he appears to have cooperated. Bunch proclaims Sanchez is unlocatable as a result of MCSO unwillingness to share discovery of a witness in the civil case ( blink holds hands over eyes).
Michael Cook, a/k/a sexter king, waited all afternoon via subpoena by Rackner, but was only interviewed by the press. He states he cut ties with both Terri and Kaine days before he was outed for invasive scapular intrusions. No word on that healing process.
Terri Horman had her own personal black Friday this year.
She called 911 THE DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS. Regular contributors and readers of blinkoncrime.com doubt she had sale flyer questions.
Judge Keith Meisenheimer, was sensitive to Kaine and Kyron’s ‘round the clock nightmare, but feels some time may allow things to shake out. January 6, 2011 to be exact.
Following this afternoon’s legal melee, blinkoncrime.com Editor In Chief asked prominent Washington State Family Law Attorney, Lea Conner, to weigh in:
Although I preface my comments with the fact that I practice family law in Washington State and not in Oregon, I am an Oregon native that has followed this case closely.
I’m a bit perplexed by Peter Bunch’s reasoning that if the court were to abate the dissolution, he would respond by filing a motion to modify the restraining order so that Terri Horman could have visitation with the parties’ daughter. Essentially, Mr. Bunch is arguing that the abatement would prejudice his client’s ability to parent her child. My understanding of the Multnomah County local rules is that an abatement means that the entire case is halted. Neither party can bring a motion before the court, nor can the court hear argument or make any ruling on motions.
It was also interesting to hear Mr. Bunch argue that proceeding with the divorce would violate Ms. Horman’s right against self-incrimination in the disappearance of her stepson. This is the first time that Terri Horman has publicly acknowledged any self-incrimination issues. In her motion for abatement, Ms. Horman, through counsel, argued that the ongoing investigation into Kyron Horman’s disappearance had made it “virtually impossible…to proceed with divorce-related issues in an effective an[d] orderly fashion[.]” Were Mr. Bunch to bring a motion to allow visitation, Mr. Horman would no doubt argue that Ms. Horman’s actions demonstrate that Ms Horman or someone she knew was responsible for Kyron Horman’s disappearance, and that her behavior since Kyron’s disappearance shows that she is unstable and poses a threat to their daughter’s safety.
I do not believe Mr. Horman would raise Ms. Horman’s 2005 convictions for DUI and reckless endangerment, as not only later chose to have a child with Ms. Horman since that time, he also left both of his children in her care for extended periods while he was at work. Under those facts, it would be hard to conclude that Mr. Horman believed Ms. Horman posed a threat to their daughter. The judge’s comment that “[e]ventually, Terri will have to decide whether or not to plead the fifth, regardless of the timing of the proceedings,” seems to indicate that the judge may not be willing to hold the action in abatement past the January 6, 2011, hearing.
I’m also interested in Mr. Bunch’s comment that “Rudy Sanchez” is an alias. If that’s true, then what is Rudy Sanchez’ real name, and how exactly did he first come in contact with Terri Horman?
It was also strange to learn that Michael Cook was subpoenaed to testify at the hearing. I’m curious if there were others scheduled to testify as well. I cannot speak to how the Oregon court operates in practice. However, I note that each party provided written affidavits in support of their respective motions.
Is there some reason that Mr. Cook’s statement could only be presented in oral testimony?
I’m not sure I understand Mr. Bunch’s logic in saying “If this is not abated we will not get reciprocal discovery.”
The state is not a party to a dissolution action. In a dissolution action, the parties can seek discovery from each other, and depending on the court rules, from third parties as well.
I’m not sure why Mr. Bunch would have the impression that there would be reciprocal discovery with a third party in a dissolution action, especially when that third party is law enforcement.
There’s a disconnect between Mr. Bunch’s argument that Ms. Horman cannot defend herself because she would incriminate herself in the disappearance of her stepson, and his statement that “If Mr. Horman is really interested in what‘s best for the child, then Mr. Horman wouldn’t object to any visitation by this child’s mother.”
The apparent logic is that Ms. Horman admits that if she speaks, she will incriminate herself in some as-yet-to-be-named crime related to Kyron’s disappearance, yet Mr. Horman is now supposed to trust her to care for his other child, because that’s so obviously in their daughter’s best interest.
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Lea Connor, Esq., legal analyst, www.blinkoncrime.com
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@ melissab says:
October 21, 2010 at 4:30 pm
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I have been, cautiously, of the same opinion as you pretty much all along. Today I was reading about another case where the husband was the prime suspect in his wife’s death. It went against my grain in a major way when I read the (innocent) man’s description of the tactics he claimed LE used seeking a confession.
First, LE accused Todd Ewalt of killing his wife due to financial problems.
“Todd insisted he had a good job, and savings. No reason to kill his wife. Then he said police changed tactics, telling him that they knew Darlene had been intent on leaving him just before she died.” [Which was apparently not true and fabricated by LE--my edit.]
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32274027/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/#slice-2
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This is not unusual. LE has pretty much free reign in their interviews. IMHO, LE had Rudy claiming TH solicited him to murder KH. But I have no basis for my belief. Nor do I know at what point in LE’s interview of Rudy that the MFH matter came up. Nor who raised it initially.
BTW, Todd Ewalt did NOT murder his wife. A serial killer did; DNA found on the knife he used and some other evidence saved Todd from probably (per the local DA) at least having been tried on the charges. Even though DA didn’t think they had much of a case.
@@ melissab says:
October 21, 2010 at 4:30 pm
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Just let me add that if we can trust any of our “sources”, including KH himself, their marriage was pretty rocky. Maybe KH just used this as a rationale to call it quits. Or maybe it just added some impetus. I would be a LOT more upset at LE and the MFH adventure had this happened to a totally happily married couple.
My other thought is, maybe LE didn’t know that KH would file for divorce. Do we have any info. on that? I know they wanted him out of the house that day, with Kitty. So, maybe they told him the MFH story to get him to leave. Not knowing he would file for divorce. (maybe they didn’t tell him much else. Staton did deny that KH was told any of that by investigators.) It’s all very murky.
SouthernMom: So, I guess this could also be a sex offender who was known to Ky, known around the school, but NOT known to be a sex offender to anyone there.
I’ve sometimes wondered if Ky’s behavior might have changed because a pedophile was making him nervous. Not making a move on him (though that’s possible, too); just in other more subtle ways. School was coming to an end soon. Ky was pretty closely monitored away from school and didn’t venture out far in his own yard due to his vision problem (said DY). There were those possibly suspicious activities around his neighborhood in the spring that Blink reported; Ky could’ve been the target rather than TH.
MockingbirdSings says:
October 21, 2010 at 5:00 pm
Rudy gave up registration of the name “Rudy Sanchez Landscape Maintenance” in 2007. The state won’t let you use a name too close to another name (in their opinion). Rudy registered the “R. S. Landscape Maintenance” name in January of 2008 so it looks like he could have renewed his original business name if he had wanted to – just an observation.
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We know Rudy likes his aliases. Having the full name on his business was probably too constrictive. Initials offer more flexibility when picking your name of the day.
Lately I have been trying to revisit Jim Kelley’s sighting of the white p/u may fit into this.
Snip from article
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun.html
1:29 p.m. — Neighbors stop by Brooks Hill Historic church, across the street from the school, to mull over the investigation. “This kind of thing is unheard of,” says Jim Kelley, 50.
Kelley, who lives about a mile and a half down hill, at the end of a winding, secluded country lane off Cornelius Pass, said police, federal agents, K-9 teams and helicopters scoured the area Saturday.
“We had two odd sightings of a vehicle on our road Friday,” Kelley said. Around 3 p.m., he and a neighbor reported seeing a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the long road, idle and then turn around. Then again at 2 a.m. Saturday morning, a similar white pickup truck appeared, idled and when a neighbor loosed her dogs, eased away.
“A, it was strange to have a car there, any car there, that we didn’t know, and B, it was strange to have a vehicle come down our dead-end road twice in the same day, hours after a little boy goes missing,” said Kelley. “That’s beyond rare.”
Kelley said authorities have twice searched the deep ravine, creek and railroad tracks located near the end of his street by air and on foot.
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Curious as to whether they were ever able to ID the female they saw in the truck. If it is related to this case and If LE is aware of most of the possible individuals involved, it would seem feasible that this person could have been ID’d by Mr. Kelley and his neighbor.
I haven’t seen much mentioned about this sighting lately. Wondering if anyone has any ideas/opinions on whether/how this fits in.
Blink – I’m working on it…wish I could say “Oh, that would be so bizarre!” but in this case bizarre is SOP. Although we’ve been up and down, we have not been in and out or around, LOL.
So many fanastic posts and great thinking going on today. What if we were to make a list of our possible suspects and cross off the ones we feel are not POIs? Would this even be possible? It seems the constant ones we return to are TH and RS. IMO either it was those two or there is a third person we aren’t looking closely enough at/or is unknown to us. I guess I’m still looking for a campground. I wonder if LE is doing any better than we are, sigh.
MOO – If by chance LE is leaning away from TH and switching gears, I think they will NOT make this public knowledge until they have the real suspects in custody or under arrest.
Allowing the perceived focus to continue on TH likely gives LE advantages in their investigations. Whomever it is they are focusing on and building a case on, is surely out there hoping they got away with the crime…hoping TH is still the focus…and we are HOPING that comfort level may cause them to slip up???? MOO
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I wonder if the only reason the “sting” didn’t result in an arrest for the MFH was Terri’s reaction. I’ve often thought that even if she did what she did if they truly believed RS…they would have tried to get her in for questioning regarding the MFH at the least. I have a feeling RS’s demeanor or actions during the sting and while interacting with TH may have raised suspicions or revealed some things to the undercover DEA agent. Would love to know if more info about the sting is out there. Anyone know details?
Prayers for Kyron and his family.
I wonder about the sting and the details LE may have learned that day. It seems to me, TH would have been brought in for questioning immediately if they felt they had anything at all on her regarding the MFH. I find it hard to believe her actions alone stopped them in their tracks. I wonder if RS’s demeanor and actions during the sting (while face to face with TH) raised suspicions or revealed new information to the undercover DEA present for the sting. Hmmm. Anyone know details on exactly what happened and how it went down??
Prayers for Kyron and his family.
oops…didn’t see that my first post made it through. I thought the cybergremlins ate it…sorry for duplicate.
If I am wrong about Terri, then God forgive me for thinking or speaking about her. But this is what I feel and it does not come under rumor or fact.
My mind keeps going back to Susan Smith. She murdered those two sweet little boys because she was “in love” with someone. Some people, and I believe it happens more in women than men…like the feeling of being “In love”. It is euphoric. It is a good feeling but eventually you hope to be left in a loving relationship when the euphoria is gone. Some women want to be “in love” all of the time. With most men I think they mostly just like different. I keep wondering if Terri was getting rid of the kids one at a time…for love. Susan Smith’s love interest didn’t want kids. (I am sure he had no idea what she planned and eventually did with those little boys). If Terri’s plan was to be free for love…Kiara could have been in danger also somewhere down the line.
I am a grandmother trying to keep it simple. I am trying to look at it from 30,000 feet. Kind of hard for a grandma who needs glasses to read.
I worked in a jail for many years. I have looked into the eyes of people who did horrible things to kids including murder and my stomach just churned. These kids were just babies. I KNOW there are people out there like that and would love to believe that Terri loved Kyron like her own and would not hurt him. But I am not seeing it. I see sexual predators as cowards. Sick, sick cowards who pick on children who are unable to protect themselves. Most of what I saw were sneaky cowards and didn’t put themselves out there to be found out but thank God LE found them anyway. I am very aware there are many predators out there. But from where I am sitting…it looks like Terri. By now you realize…this is just my opinion.
God Bless Kyron, his brothers and sister and all of us that love him.
43.melissab says:
October 21, 2010 at 4:30 pm
I have always thought that MCSO had tunnel vision and overlooked the possible real perp…
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If they did, I do not believe it was necessarily tunnel vision on their part. In investigations, LE always works from the inside out when looking at suspects (i.e. first eliminate those closest to the victim, last to see the victim, etc.). If TMH was acting hinky, had mixed polygraphy results and had a period of time she could not account for in her alibi, I can understand why LE focused on her and those around her. I would hope they were also checking out the local registered sex offenders’ alibis or anyone outside the family who may have shown an interest in Kyron, as well. I think it IS a possibility that a stranger took Kyron.
I do agree with Blink. I think it is often like trying to turn the Titanic around when LE is focusing in on someone they consider their “prime suspect.”
I also believe there is evidence that suggested to them that this was a kidnapping, in which case, time was of the essence to them, and decisions were made that would not normally have been.
As I said early, I respect the call itself, just not the poor execution of it.
Ultimately, they were trying to find Kyron, and we have to factor the intent.
B
“Guess what the landscapers are back , they are
trimming trees up the street
I live right in the area where the Sanchez are
but these guys have different names
on my way to work I saw lots of them
I am going look closer
LOL”
What? …You’ll be looking for the rest of your life if you plan on randomly “looking closer” at Hispanic landscapers who happen to be working in your neighborhood.
enumclawrose says:
October 21, 2010 at 4:24 am
“I think there could be another person involved, but for those that think that way, I have a few questions. Did TH and RS and a third person all cooperate in this abduction? Did RS and a third person conspire for pay backs against TH? Was TH unaware and RS was teaching her a lesson and someone took advantage of him and took off with Ky?”
Three. RS was the one unaware. He was threatened and didn’t know the real plot. TH set him up to be the fall guy. Then there’s the third person.
I had another missing post…I hope the first one doesn’t show up when I repost this:
IIRC – my understanding was KH & TH had gone through a rocky period and rough patch during TH’s PPD after Kiara was born. However, I thought KH stated in an interview he was caught off guard by the alleged affair with LS and her potential involvement in Kyron’s disappearance because he truly believed they were on smooth road again (marriage wise).
Seems to me up to the day of the sting…KH appeared to support TH and her innocence in spite of having to re-take the LD tests, questions by LE, etc.
IIRC KH said he didn’t question any of her behavior up to that point slanted towards her being responsible or involved. Didn’t KH say something to the effect of (in my own summarized/recollected words) He never thought of her actions as “hinky” until after he was informed by LE of the sting and whatever ‘probable cause’ info he claims they gave him. Reflecting back with the new knowledge, ONLY then did he question some of her behavior.
I hope my memory is serving me well…I haven’t rechecked the interviews to refresh my memory lately…so take all of the above recollections as somewhat ‘distant’ memories.
Regarding the divorce filing…I’m sure KH was desperate to find any way to force TH to talk and tell all she knew. Could TH’s atty have given him hope they could “kill 2 birds” with the divorce/custody filings (2nd bird being the investigation)? Was there the discussion ~ Get her in court to defend divorce/custody, get her on the stand, get her to talk….????
FWIW – I don’t blame KH for the actions he took…I would have done the same. MOO MOO
Prayers for Kyron and his family.
@44.ISpy says:
October 21, 2010 at 1:37 am
Checking in and wondering how KH and DY get up in the morning, much less make it through a single day…I cannot imagine. The thing I keep wondering is what was so special about June 4th that Kyron “had” to disappear that day in particular. In other words, was his disappearance relative to the Science Fair in terms of opportunity or relative to something else upcoming in the Horman or Young households? Was this an abduction waiting for the right opportunity or more spur-of-the-moment? I would think if it were more of a planned event, TH would have a better laid alibi than driving a “sick” Kiara around aimlessly on the day her stepson disappears. The two FMs seem more indicative of afterthought planning/panicked planning to me, particularly when there’s a slew of stores in between that sell children’s cold/allergy/flu/pain reliever meds. The alibi seems lame, weak, and easily disputable. The FM receipt (if there is one) proves little in terms of what occured after the FM store.
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To me I think it was planned in advance by TH for the day of the SF. Normally, Ky took the bus to and from the school. She drove him to school on the 4th supposedly to look at the display and to pick up his project (which she never did pick up. LE has it as evidence). Scenario 1. If we presume TH was fully involved and staging an alibi she would want to be seen at the school with Ky and seen leaving the school building without Ky. There is the issue of the Dr. appointment for that day. Kurtis, Ky’s friend said Ky told him he had a Dr.s appointment. That would account for Ky walking out of school on his own..to go with TH for the appointment. That would account for the confusion around the Dr. appointment and the school marking him absent..because they were under the impression by what TH told the teacher he wouldn’t be in class that day. Also TH keeping time/dated receipt(s) from stores where she had been after leaving the school. Also, LE is not buying her story of driving Kiara around for an hour and a half.
Scenario 2. If it were a random kidnapping it would have been tough to get Ky out of the school to make the grab. And he would/should have been reported missing way before 3:45PM. Scenario 2 is not the case..imo.
@Emmy said “Lately I have been trying to revisit Jim Kelley’s sighting of the white p/u may fit into this. … I haven’t seen much mentioned about this sighting lately. Wondering if anyone has any ideas/opinions on whether/how this fits in.”
One of JK’s neighbors was shown an array of 8 photo’s and picked the TMH photograph. To me, the odd thing is that this doesn’t line up with the time line that we have assumed. It being that she was home at 3pm on the 4th, and LE was at their home on 2am the following night.
I have not posted in awhile. I have been mulling all of this over…and I continue to come back to motive. “Craziness” aside, I just can’t come up with motive for Terri to participate in Kyron’s disappearance. It doesn’t make sense. I see more motive in what we know about Rudy (and his relationship with Terri) and I also am VERY open to the possibility of a random, unknown and unexpected perp who just got very lucky in the timing of his/her (sorry, I think it’s a “he”) actions, with respect to Terri becoming such an obvious suspect and diverting attention to another suspect. And I think she was (I don’t think she any longer is) an easy suspect because she was so deceptive. But I also believe that is because she had many other things to hide.
I tend to go one of two ways — she was not directly involved in but found out about the kidnapping (because that’s what I think it was) earlier than everyone else and was trying to cover up OTHER things in her life she didn’t want Kaine and LE to know about (hence, her LDT failure and continued need for absolution from testifying)…or, she was trying to cover up her actions that day and had NO pre-knowledge about the kidnapping — explains the same need to keep quiet…
Or, number 2…
Her exposure and implication is entirely random and coincidental to a non-related abduction and she is just a deer in the headlights.
My first premise, in MOO, points to retaliatory measures by RS. My second premise? My god, with what we’ve learned about sexual predators in the Portland area the slate of possible perps is wide open.
FWIW, IMOO, MOO…(CYA)
As I sit here, I began to think of the dangerous people that family has allow into their lives. There is a lot of mention of Terris plot to tear the family unit apart. There seems to be a lot of disfuntion in all areas of the family. And Kaine is included. We have heard all about Terris “friends” but what about Kaines friends. Dogs lay with dogs, guys. Kaine wouldnt be so keen on the whole De De thing unless he had a few slimballs in his corner as well. We have seen the photos of different areas of Kaines life. Is it not possible that, behind it all it was Kaine that brought the danger into the family? He allowed the evil to creep in and remove Kyron? What is it about the letter Kaine first wrote to his co-workers at Intel? There was something about that letter that was off. Was he trying to get info to someone he worked with? Maybe there had been talk of desolving the marriage but Kaine felt bad for Kyron losing a second Mom.
Everybody is hung up on the doctor’s appt. Was it for June 4th or the following week? Was it an appt for Kitty on the 4th and Kyron the next week….etc. What’s obvious is that LE knows the answer and isn’t giving it out. That tells me that since TH is/was their main suspect that the doctor’s appointment checked out to whatever date TH said it was supposed to be. No way would LE let that info out. On the other hand if the they found out the doc’s appt was for June 4th I’m pretty sure they would have leaked that info right away.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
panda says:
October 21, 2010 at 4:46 pm
I gave some thought to P#3 being the mayor. June 4th was during the Rose Festival and I think it would be difficult for the Mayor to be gone on a Friday during the festival without someone knowing.
What was happening re: festival June 4? It was Fleet Week. There were several Coast Guard ships and two Navy ships that participated. Sauvie Island can be reached by boat in the area that was recently searched. Anyone educated at the Naval Academy would be trained in boats.
It would certainly be surprising and upsetting for a Naval officer to be the one who harmed Kyron. It would also explain why DOD was a part of the investigation.
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panda,
You have certainly rocked my world with that one. In all seriousness though, although I never even entertained the idea of Portland’s Fleet Week somehow playing into this case, at the same time I have wondered how the DOD mentioned early on as being involved in some manner in the case made any sense whatsoever, but in your theory, it actually answers that nicely, so who knows? That would in fact be one heck of a shocker if that were in deed the “thing we know that we wished we didn’t know”.
We all said we need to start “thinking outside the box” and wow … I think top honors definitely will go to you. I’m just literally speechless. Honestly, so much of what we’ve come up with recently reads an awful lot like the Monday Night Movie of the Week my parent’s used to watch when I was growing up, but since the Horman case gets weirder and weirder as time goes on, I’m of the mindset that you may very well have a point with the Navy/military thing as much as any of the rest of us with our “out of the box” theories. My mind is reeling.
My husband was in the Navy and was stationed out in CA back in the 80′s and part of the 90′s. He knows San Diego well and the two Navy ships you mentioned according to the website shows the USS Bunker Hill and USS Sampson are stationed there this year. Also, not far from Mexico at all which creates new questions for me.
One thing bothering me though about the potential for important people to maybe be involved is if this is some kind of “ring” or something, then how can LE tell Skyline parent’s “this is an ‘isolated’ incident?” And, why Kyron of all the kids at Skyline? Does TH, MC, RS, DDS, JW or any of the other potential players we don’t know a lot about yet tied in some way to the military? Navy or Coast Guard maybe?
@ beejay says:
October 21, 2010 at 10:26 am
“That plan was depressing to me, except for bringing in some “new eyes” and some case review. I read mostly bean-counting and meetings and going through proper channels. And not so much finding evidence.”
One thing I caught in the ?KOIN version of the County approval of the plan was that each of the commissioners had been briefed, in detail (nearly all of it according to the O) *individually* and *over the past 6 weeks*. Of course I can’t find it on Koin now. grr.
How up to the minute could the investigation details be, if they were able to give a ‘full’ briefing over the past 6 weeks?
This doesn’t support a ‘they’re starting from square one’ theory. It does support a ‘crossing all the T’s’ theory, where they have the bulk of their case ready. (or in progress, as a sealed indictment?)
kgw.com has this to say: http://www.kgw.com/home/Sheriff-to-request-209656-for-Kyron-case-104874354.html
“Each of the county commissioners was granted full access to all of the details of the investigation, in order to help them make their decision about the added funding.”
Further down it says:
“The sheriff told commissioners that he’s hopeful investigators can wrap up the case by late January. He said he has four thick binders full of leads that are flourishing and developing in the case.”
January.
btw beejay, I’m afraid I wasn’t following along with the military connection; now I feel like a slacker!
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@ Idahogal says:
October 21, 2010 at 10:32 am
LOL, your post put me in mind of an ep of Strange Sex on Discovery Health recently. A young fella is aroused by inflating balloons and popping them.. he’s fetishized every aspect of the act. And cherishes it, bless.
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@ Emmy says:
October 21, 2010 at 6:52 pm
“Lately I have been trying to revisit Jim Kelley’s sighting of the white p/u”
How this sighting fits in has been a puzzle to me. I actually drove down his road once to see for myself.
Why is it sticking out to you? The only unattached female with access to a white truck that I can think of is DDS (presuming that TH is accounted for at both times, by KH being home and LE staying at the house.
@ neighbor says:
October 21, 2010 at 9:11 pm
“One of JK’s neighbors was shown an array of 8 photo’s and picked the TMH photograph. To me, the odd thing is that this doesn’t line up with the time line that we have assumed. It being that she was home at 3pm on the 4th, and LE was at their home on 2am the following night.”
!!! Just saw this before I posted.. well, that is a piece of news, thank you. That blows the whole timeline to wacky! (and I had to delete a bunch of my reply, lol)
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@I Care says:
October 21, 2010 at 7:13 pm
You are wondering about TH removing her children to make way for a new love interest (you cite Susan Smith, but I can’t help but think of Diane Downs..). My only problem with this theory is that the solution was so simple: send Kyron to Desiree’s to live FT, much as she sent J to live with her parents/his father.
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A comment about the mayor’s tweeting habits: A little searching will find that this is the hipster new communication and SA is famous for tweeting about city business from that account.
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This is really feeling useless in terms of ‘solving’.. we simply don’t have the required information and can not get it. The list of questions we think might crack it–Where was Kitty? for ex– won’t be known until a trial.
It’s feeling like an episode of CSI literally, where you’re trying to put the pieces together and in the last 5 minutes, they introduce a new character who is the killer (Person 3?).
Frustrating.
Cbickel,
I agree. If the Dr. appointment information did not add up to how Terri said it should / would, then I think we would know by now. I would hope so anyway.
As always, there are so many great posts to comment on and very little time to do it. Getting ready to do more work on a huge application. It is painfully detailed with many parts. You know the kind!
Blinks recent comments about what it takes for LE to switch gears and a SO cannot be excluded, makes me angry if it turns out to be what is going on right now.
Someday I will have to get on my soapbox about how the middle school here tried to cover up a student bomb attempt. I only found out because one of my husbands friends was LE on the bomb squad. We went to school board meetings, yadda, yadda and the bottomline is that the school lied to the parents and LE was forbidden to speak publically about it.
Our whole family and friends yanked kids out of school, started home schools, went to private schools, etc. Not trying to incite fear, but if LE told parents not to fear sending their kids to school and now they have to back pedal, well there goes what is left of public trust.
I have to say that if the school would have addressed the issue in an honest manner, we could have lived with that. Nothing is perfect and we can’t stop everything due to the threat of danger, but when government agencies keep the public in the dark about issues, in essences make a choice for us when I think we should have the right to decide for ourselves what risks we are willing to expose ourselves and our children to, well, I lose all faith.
Blink,
This isn’t the Jaime Estrada we know of is it? I cannot find any info on the web to validate or negate this.
Public Works Director Jaime Estrada said the city has the $500 it needs to do the repairs and had the work scheduled for this week. However, he encouraged the boys to continue with the fundraising idea to start a reserve fund for future repairs or possibly even new equipment.
http://www.woodburnindependent.com/news/2010/August/14/Local.News/hubbard.to.fix.skate.park/news.aspx
http://www.woodburn-or.gov/publicworks/forms/5thStreet_WoodburnCACMeeting02summaryout.pdf
@diff
only a few are Hispanic LOL
Everyone,
For all of you who follow crime cases on this level, and on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the most crazy / difficult / confusing, how would you rate this case to other cases that could be classified as crazy / difficult / confusing?
Also considering what is really known vs. what is not known, how does this case rate among other crazy / difficult / confusing cases on a 1 to 10 scale with 10 being the least amount of substantial / viable evidence disclosed to the public?
Very curious and thanks.
Thanks!
Panda 10-21 4:46pm
I think your transfer theory is highly likely. BTW, June 4, Rose Festival, Officer Funeral and the mayor MIA, again, but musters the strength and time to tweet.
Shannon 10-21 10:37am
4 camps for sure, but I think camp #4 is empty right now.
Shannon 10-21 10:45am
You made my point, if this were simply a case about the stepmother, then there wouldn’t be all this attention.
S 10-21 10:49am
You ask why so much scrutiny of DDS?
IMO it is because she was seen on 06-04 in the truck with TH after 10 am, and DDS and TH have “friends” in common. I just can’t figure out who introduced who to who first.
Your observation of a potential active pedophile at school is the worst case scenario for all but maybe 1-3 people.
Jeff D 10-20 8:30pm
KH?
Lyla 10-21 12:47pm
I would love familythx to read the article about the mayor and give her analysis.
Puzzled 10-21 1:30pm
Multi-agencies, mystery POI prior to 06-04, can you elaborate?
Annals 10-21 2:32pm
I can see how KH coming home early could change the staged ransom plans. Do you think RS conspired with TH to extort money from KH?
Karey 10-21 3:43pm
Drug cartels, yes, who are also involved in human trafficking, maybe.
Melissab 10-21 4:37pm
I remember hearing that there was a planned weekend for Ky at his Momma’s. James was on the BS trip with his Dad/StepDad? There are three children with divorced parents in this family, Quinn, James and Ky. Doesn’t it make sense for TH to drop Ky and pickup James and for DY to drop Quinn and pickup Ky if the distance is 2 plus hours? So, if James couldn’t come up, then did anyone REALLY plan to drop off Ky?
Mockingbirdsings 10-21 5pm
We are looking for campsites in the fog.
I went over to SMonkey and looked at the picture thread again
all of the Horman’s look happy
and the kids are really cuties
it makes this case hard to understand
Panda 10-21 8:27pm
I have thought about exactly what you wrote, that TH set up RS to take the fall. And then there is this third person. Do you think this person is from the TH or RS side of the fence?
@familythx says:
October 21, 2010 at 1:32 pm
I really hate saying this, but… a lot of parents drug their kids for their own convenience…You’d be floored at the adults who tell us that their parents drugged them as kids- cough syrups, benedryl…”
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Growing up in the 70′s when Valium was given as, “Mother’s Little Helper” -I think this was pretty common. My parents were teetotalers (sp?), but believe me, when it came to piling 6 kids in the station wagon and heading on a trip, I do believe that such (Dramamine?) tactics were used -and even at the advice of our pediatrician! (for real!) And back then even smoking was suggested to, “calm your nerves” -which is laughable but true -only if you are smoking another one to feed your addiction withdrawal! But alas, we all know better now!
I believe that she was drugging at least baby regularly -which could explain why she looks kinda droopy-eyed in a lot of pics and also why KH reported that Kitty was doing great -”like a whole new kid.”
Blink/Blinksters: Oy, what a sad case with so many unanwered questions. Okay, let’s say at the outset of the investigation someone gets a ransom note/some type of communication indicating that Kyron was kidnapped. If so, why does LE intensely focus their search efforts in the area around the school as if Kyron wandered off? I realize that most chidren’s bodies are recovered only a few miles from the abduction point, but I still have some trouble reconciling the two. Blink, do you think it is possible that LE was made aware of the ransom note/communication on the day that they told the media “this is now a criminal investigation?”
WHO and WHY would s/he want LE to think it was a kidnapping? I don’t think it’s likely that a random predator or even a local pedophile who may have been grooming Kyron would have wanted this abduction to appear to be a kidnapping for ransom. Sexual predators generally do not want ransom money, they want the child all to themselves…forever. And, they want law enforcement AS FAR AWAY FROM THEM AS POSSIBLE.
So, was the kidnapping for ransom staged, OR did someone who knew TMH or KH actually think he/she could make some fast money off of this sweet child?
In the beginning, I was CONVINCED it was a smooth/crafty predator, someone who blended in at Skyline and was able to plan and
execute snatching Kyron for sexual purposes. Then, the alleged MFH was revealed, and my hinky radar went off. My thinking has evolved over time, and I still have so many questions. At times, I think TMH was involved from the get-go; at other times I don’t think she was involved at all. As of late, I am leaning more toward the latter, or perhaps only a peripheral involvement.
I keep coming back to the possiblity there was a disgusting–possibly opportunistic–pedophile in the woodpile or just around the corner. If this pedophile was close to the family and Kyron, this would not have been a particularly difficult crime to execute. He would not have required much assistance from TMH aside from her providing the date/time of the SF, knowledge of her habits with Kyron, and familiarity with Kyron’s personality style.
All that being said, I haven’t let TMH completely off the hook. I am still of the opinion that she wanted to employ RS to magically disappear her hubby. This fits like a glove with what we have read in the media about her personality traits and personal history. This alleged “plotting” would have been near the end of her first year postpartum, and maybe her medication was not attenuating all of her irritation, especially her irritation when she found out KH may have had a lover. I doubt the MFH will ever be proven. I think when RS found out Ky was missing, he decided that his ex-paramour could have “disappeared” Kyron, so he ‘fessed up the MFH. And then he ran and hid….:)
Then, there is TY. I keep coming back to him and the sorrowful look he wore that day. In that first presser he spoke directly to Kyron from the heart, and I was impressed. I wonder if he still thinks TMH is responsible?
beejay says:
October 21, 2010 at 6:13 pm
There were those possibly suspicious activities around his neighborhood in the spring that Blink reported; Ky could’ve been the target rather than TH.
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Beejay,
Do you have the link for Blink’s comments regarding this? I don’t remember any of this, but I suspect I should go back and try to find it somehow. Do you happen to have it? What “suspicious neighborhood activities?”
I think it is in reference to a 911 call that was about a suspicious vehicle, it was an image of the call, iirc.
B
@beejay says:
October 21, 2010 at 6:13 pm
SouthernMom: So, I guess this could also be a sex offender who was known to Ky, known around the school, but NOT known to be a sex offender to anyone there.
I’ve sometimes wondered if Ky’s behavior might have changed because a pedophile was making him nervous. Not making a move on him (though that’s possible, too); just in other more subtle ways. School was coming to an end soon. Ky was pretty closely monitored away from school and didn’t venture out far in his own yard due to his vision problem (said DY).
Highlighting this part of Beejay’s comments:
*********There were those possibly suspicious activities around his neighborhood in the spring that Blink reported; Ky could’ve been the target rather than TH.***********
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Awesome tidbit you’ve shared here Beejay -
Do you have a link to this particular bit of “blinkism”?? I’m still fairly new here and missed that. Please don’t spend a lot of time searching, but if you have it handy, I’d love to go back and read it. I may take time tomorrow to go back and read the earliest articles on here along with the comments.
BTW – love all of your contributions here, Beejay, so thanks!
Prayers for Kyron and his family.
I too, have been trying to hover at 30,000 ft. So many posts and so many directions to take. This case sometimes reminds me of what i heard Judge Judy say one day. “If it doesnt make sense, then its probably not true.” I agree with her. I still feel she planned it, and she expedited it. Her actions before his disappearance, and after that just smack of guilt. I do believe she had help, however, and I believe that the truck Mr. Kelley saw twice that day has a lot to do with it. Not trying to be morbid, really. It breaks my heart to think of it, but could that have been an attempt to hide ????. Thanks again Blink for providing this site to vent our thoughts, feelings, and frustrations. I hope I didnt offend anyone, its all MOO.
I think TMH is involved in what happened to Kyron because of Tony Young. He is of the opinion that she had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance. To me, he is the most credible witness to her behavior after Kyron went missing. He has experience dealing with guilty people, and he has been trained to look for certain things. He saw TMH acting guilty and telling lies about her whereabouts. His instincts as a detective told him that TMH was trying to hide her involvement. He has stated that he is convinced that TMH had a role in whatever happened to Kyron, and I believe him.
Tony knows, IMHO.
I knew Tony suspected Terri at the one and only press conf the 4 did together. I said to Jason Mateos, BOC contributing editor, I did not like the body language and when he returned from speaking at the podium he stiffened to Terri.
When he hugged Kaine it was an embrace of deep sorrow and imo, pity, for what he already knew and Kaine did not.
B
SouthernMom says:
October 21, 2010 at 8:35 pm
I had another missing post…I hope the first one doesn’t show up when I repost this:
IIRC – my understanding was KH & TH had gone through a rocky period and rough patch during TH’s PPD after Kiara was born. However, I thought KH stated in an interview he was caught off guard by the alleged affair with LS and her potential involvement in Kyron’s disappearance because he truly believed they were on smooth road again (marriage wise).
Seems to me up to the day of the sting…KH appeared to support TH and her innocence in spite of having to re-take the LD tests, questions by LE, etc.
IIRC KH said he didn’t question any of her behavior up to that point slanted towards her being responsible or involved. Didn’t KH say something to the effect of (in my own summarized/recollected words) He never thought of her actions as “hinky” until after he was informed by LE of the sting and whatever ‘probable cause’ info he claims they gave him. Reflecting back with the new knowledge, ONLY then did he question some of her behavior.
I hope my memory is serving me well…I haven’t rechecked the interviews to refresh my memory lately…so take all of the above recollections as somewhat ‘distant’ memories.
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My recollection is similar. Kaine said they had problems but he thought they had worked through them and things were getting better. I mentioned in a previous post that his view could be right or it may have appeared that way because Terri made some sort of decision she didn’t share with him that would give her a way out and a comfortable feeling because she had figured out a solution for herself. People often seem less stressed if they feel they see a light at the end of the tunnel, and he might have mistaken that for things getting better between them. Maybe she thought of divorce, maybe something else.
When asked about the first flyer with Terri’s picture on it, Kaine said he had talked to her about it first and she was OK with doing it. He said they thought it might jog someone’s memory to see her picture.
I went back and read some of the reports about what Tony Young said. It didn’t take long since he hasn’t said a lot and has understandably stayed in the background. What he did say was pretty strong – I wonder if he still feels the same way.
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Mom-thinks-Terri-Horman-plotted-Kyrons-disappearance-98430699.html
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http://www.nwcn.com/home/related/Timeline-Search-for-missing-Kyran-Horman-95787519.html
Saturday July 10
KGW learns from a reliable source that investigators believe at least one other person in addition to Terri Horman has knowledge about the disappearance of Kyron Horman.
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Both DeDe and Michael Cook popped up in the news about the same time regarding DeDe’s unaccounted for time and TH sexting MC.
A month went by before this (same link):
Monday, August 9
Sources tell KGW that investigators have been told a second person was seen in the Horman family’s white pickup truck the day Kyron disappeared.
Tuesday August 10
KGW learned fom sources that Terri Horman’s close friend, DeDe Spicher, was missing the morning Kyron disappeared for much longer than earlier believed. Updated information from sources indicated Spicher was absent from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. on June 4, after having been gardening at a home in the Skyline area.
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It seems for awhile almost every reporter had a “source” that would say this or that. Now it seems that the “sources” are really quiet.
I don’t have an ending for this post – just thinking aloud.
That Russian billboard sticks in my craw as very unusual.
Was Ky Shanghaid?
Rose Festival Fleet Week in Portland, was there a Russian ship in town?
What other international vessels were around Portland ports or Astoria at that time.
Was there also a Rose Festival air show, what planes used Hillsboro airport that day: is there a way to search who has private planes coming/going at that close small airport?
Follow the money motivation. $350K to Houze is from someone with dough. There’s a yacht-owner database too.
Portland is known historically for shanghaiing, with a network of secret underground tunnels leading to ships. Do underground Portland tunnels used to shanghai in the past connect to one of the creepy downtown swingers club basements?
Or maybe to the office building of prominent businessmen or politicians, who might be worried they might be found out. Local historical society surely has information on Shanghai maps of Portland underground tunnels, who maintains them or has keys?
Portland Community and tax payers deserve answers, families of Skyline are in fear; any parent with a kid at PPS or on any public playground or park in Portland needs transparency of what is going on.
Somebody has power over case that is too silent. Why are reporters, parents, teachers intimidated to dig in, demand more? It’s starting to feel like gag-order internal corruption on top of drug / sex trade / abduction corruption? Something is rotten in that Mayor’s Office. Maybe he paid Houze?
Two other things seem strangely coincidental: Numerous police officers were at a funeral in Lake Oswego a fallen officer on same day.
There was mention of a traffic accident of a Skyline school father in the school newsletter, earlier in the year. Could that really been “an accident.”
Where are the vocal local investigative journalists? Something doesn’t seem right at all about this whole story.
neighbor 10-20 9:11pm
Very interesting. I think we might be too tied into the timeline that we have basically gotten from TH’s email and assumptions and conclusions we have made from press conferences. No disrespect to anyone involved in this case, but in general, even if someone testifies that they saw someone, that doesn’t make it true. It might be helpful if we look closer at the things we have dismissed, like the JK sightings you bring up. Who lives close to him, and why was that road was potentially chosen?
The public confusion probably works to the benefit of LE and the DA in that they know a credible witness when they talk to them, someone not citing information gleened from the media. Let’s believe JKs neighbor for the moment. I can see TH leaving the house for a short time at 3 pm, the bus came at 3:30pm right? Who was she meeting and why?
Did the witness ID her at both times, or perhaps was DDS the redhead that showed up at 2 am? Maybe LE is aware of the fact that TH was supposed to meet someone on that road at 2 am and LE was hiding in the truck with her. They treated it as a ransom, they had reason to believe it was a ransom, maybe she really was there and LE was too. MOO.
Just another thought on JK’s neighbors statement. If true, TH has not taken a LD test as of yet. TH receives a message to meet on JK’s road. KH is home and she leaves. KH has never said all that went on when he got home, only that he saw Kiara playing in her room and he went to work in the office. All we really know is TH was on the computer about 2 and with KH and Kiara at the bus stop. That’s an hour and a half she is not really accounted for. Does she run to the store for milk?
After the abduction is public knowledge, the searchers are out, DY and TY and family? gather at the Horman house, LE is there and TH is talking about her hair, posting on FB, inbetween telling her story five times. No one is sleeping tonight. Another message requesting TH meet someone on JK’s road, this time she has to share.
LE is thinking that she already was acting disconnected and now the abductor is requesting she bring the ransom. They send someone in the backseat of the truck and quietly stake out some LE in the area. They wait. No one comes. The dog calls attention to the truck and LE decides to abort.
It is only when LE talks to JK’s neighbor that they find out TH in the truck was in the neighborhood before the abduction was reported. MOO.
I also believe there is evidence that suggested to them that this was a kidnapping, in which case, time was of the essence to them, and decisions were made that would not normally have been.
B
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A note .. ransom or otherwise .. suggests this was personal .. not a stranger. After looking closely at each parent .. alibi, poly, behavior .. cell/computer use .. and discovering the extracurricular activities of TH .. the focus was on her. Believing that TH was either directly involved or the reason for the abduction, a shift was made from kidnapping to a criminal investigation.
Until this time, physical searches were going on .. after this decision, searches were suspended. Believing that TH was in some way responsible gave Desiree and Kaine hope that Ky was just being held or stashed.
RS had been discovered .. the MFH was learned .. attempted sting was foiled .. and LE had to inform TH was a suspect.
I understand, I really do understand why the initial focus was on TH .. So why isn’t the obvious still true.. or is it? What has changed .. and why is Kyron still missing?
I have often wondered about FM #1 and #2. It is true that many cold medicines had just been recalled. Perhaps TH was not aware of it and had a hard time finding their brand/flavor. It is also possible that instead of looking for medicine TH was looking for an employee. I remember this summer one of you was very kind and had driven all the routes and reported back in detail. It was at that time they had mentioned that FM#1 was moving/updating some aisles & could it possibly be that employees were temp. moved to the other location? Or do employees float between stores? It could also be of course, that TH was to meet someone there.
Beejay…I agree with your responses to my posts and…I fully understand and respect the tactics used by LE to get confessions but there is evidence that an innocent person can be broke down enough to confess. LE can also fixate so hard on one individual that they can’t see the truth. So glad the man in your article was cleared. KH had to have been give info about the MFH from LE. Who else could it have come from. Agreed they might not have known he would go so far as a divorce but I think they have been directing him the whole time. I’m prolly wrong on several things but I do believe that they have been steering this investigation from the get go. Remember, KH is an “analytical” person and just goes on the “facts” and he and TH didn’t move or talk without LE telling them to do so. They both said it in so many words when they finally did speak. The RO, I’ve seen many, many of them have absolutely horrible lies printed on them especially in the custody cases. It’s all in who gets runs to the judge first! I think a judge just puts on there what he believes as told to him by a desperate parent, divorce petitioner, etc., knowing the other party has the chance to contest it soon in court and prove it wrong.
How long ago was it they arrested one of The Queens pilots for being a serial killer? A very respected ,decorated officer.. I don’t see how a stranger could just waltz in and grab a kid,but stranger things have happened.
Rushed here, forgive me not referencing each of you. Just doing a data dump:
Jim K. has neighbors who own a white truck, doesn’t he? Their street connects to his (Avery V??)
KH was at home with TH at 3 pm on June 4; unlikely she drove over to Jim’s road in KH’s truck.
What a totally stupid move to dump any evidence on Jim’s road. Drive a little farther away, folks.
At the all-4 parents presser: TY’s actions/body language undoubtedly reflected what he BELIEVED to be true. It might not be true. I don’t think LE could afford to tell TY secrets and expect him to keep them from his grief-stricken wife. Who already, BTW, has for years hated the liar she immediately suspected of doing something to her son. And has, no doubt, made it very clear to TY how she felt all along about that lying husband-stealing bit…
I don’t put too much credence on KH’s assessment of the status of his marriage. He seems to be a guy who’s not too aware of the nuances of interpersonal relationships. So, I don’t look to his “intel” in those areas for my info.
LE needs for things to be quiet now in the media. PR-wise it’ll be helpful as they transition to another suspect. IF that suspect is still at large, it’s best that s/he believes that LE is just building their case against TH. It’s also possible that their suspect is already locked up, held in limbo on other charges. I’m more afraid the perp is long gone. Hope not.
@ melissab says:
October 22, 2010 at 8:44 am
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Yes, I’m with you on all points. One small exception: I’m not as convinced as you are that LE is directing the parents here. There’s been enough confusion about that, with LE denying what parents said; parents trying (IMHO) to create the illusion that they’re getting all this from LE; KH and DY saying, alternately, “this is based on our feelings”, then “this is based on briefings”. So, I don’t know the truth.
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@Peg: I don’t see how a stranger could just waltz in and grab a kid,but stranger things have happened.
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NOT a stranger. Someone who had a legitimate reason to be at the school. Someone NO ONE would question; or at least not on the day of the Science Fair.
That’s the scarey part: it’s someone no one would have suspected. And still don’t?? Maybe a landscaper who’d worked there; maybe a parent, a relative of a student, school staff, a delivery person.
@e-rose: I read your post closer about LE maybe sending TH to Jim’s road overnight. Got it now. I’d buy that!
Could’ve been 2 diff. white trucks (3 pm vs. overnight)?? Maybe unrelated in their missions??
James was to be dropped off by his Dad when BS trip over I thought. He was dropped off by him we know that Sat. June 5 and he was picked back up because of all that was going on. I don’t think where he was and when he would be dropped off figured at all in the June 4 drop off of Ky to DY. I just think it was a planned weekend at Mom’s (for Ky) and TH and KH curteously drove the two hours to get him there. Or at least I have heard DY say that was the plan. Enum I may have read your questions wrong so I apologize if my answers are off. Gotta go to work, ya’ll have a wonderful day.
If there was a note left on TH’s truck re: taking Ky, obviously she did not notify the authorities immediately . This leaves her wide open to several criminal charges. Could be the self-incrimination Bunch and Houze are shielding TH from.
FBI takes immediate jurisdiction in any child missing from a school .. until it is determined it is not a kidnapping. An FBI agent moved into the Horman home and waited for a phone call or some notification from the abducter/s. IIRC Ty’s glasses were left in the mailbox within the first 24 hours.. lending credence that this was a kidnapping.
Meanwhile searches were done around the school as SOP to rule out any other possible scenario in Ky’s disappearance. After exhaustive scrutiny by LE, three of the four parents were excluded. At that point, LE began focusing on TH and the FBI reduced their presence to a supportative role in the case.
Every email/sext/text that has been sent .. every facbook/blog post that has been made .. every mile that has driven .. every person who TH has been spoken to has been looked at by LE. Every friend and neighbor of TH has been interviewd .. polygraphed .. property searched .. personal items confiscated. The white truck was examined, twice – and the Horman property was searched.
A grand jury has heard all of the above and now the county commissioners know what LE and the DA know. What’s left???
That is not accurate about the FBI’s involvement in general, or as it relates to this case. They have done extensive profiling for MCSO. But the FBI has played a support role only, not lead, and were never with the Horman’s, that was a MCSO deputy.
B
beejay says:
At the all-4 parents presser: TY’s actions/body language undoubtedly reflected what he BELIEVED to be true. It might not be true. I don’t think LE could afford to tell TY secrets and expect him to keep them from his grief-stricken wife. Who already, BTW, has for years hated the liar she immediately suspected of doing something to her son. And has, no doubt, made it very clear to TY how she felt all along about that lying husband-stealing bit…
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I have often wonder where he has been during the many pressors that Kaine and Desiree have given…
He seems to have faded into the background and I wonder why! Why was he not by Desiree’s side at that last pressor when she was asking for the reward to be increased?
I like you believe that LE needs it to be quiet. We have not even heard the status of TH getting parenting time. It was filed as a expedited motion and yet Rackner has not filed a response yet?
So many questions so few answers.
Beejay,
Yes. It could be that the perp is long gone. If LE has focused on the wrong person, I hope they learn a huge lesson here. This case has national attention and they can’t conceal their decisions and actions (or lack thereof) so easily.
Because we know so little, maybe things have shifted long ago without any notice as you have described. Maybe they are making strange statements that leave the public hanging for a reason. I certainly hope this is the case and as they have alluded to — they may be / are closer to solving this case than the public is aware of (can’t remember how it was implied exactly).