Kyron Horman Case Update: Blinkoncrime.com Legal Analyst Lea Conner Weighs In
Portland, OR- Please Welcome Again blinkoncrime.com Contributing Editor And Legal Analyst, Washington Family Law Attorney, Lea Conner.
Although I am not licensed in Oregon, I grew up there and was a news reporter for several years in that state, during which time I covered the cops and courts beat. My practice in Washington state deals in family law matters. As such, I can comment as to my knowledge of family law and court proceedings, but my comments are general analysis, not legal advice.
Kaine Horman’s pleadings of October 25, 2010, unleashed a tempest of charges against his wife, claiming she was a raging drunk whose inability to control her anger and her drinking had already caused her to give up custody of one child prior to the disappearance of her stepson on June 4, 2010. Unlike his prior, more tersely-written court filings, Mr. Horman’s words are more personal and angry. They are also contradicted by his prior statements to the court and to the media, and the very documentation he provided as part of his October 25 court papers.
The latest round of pleadings from Mr. Horman seems to fit a far bigger effort by Mr. Horman and Desiree Young to push Ms. Horman to the point where she would be forced to speak in her own defense. Ms. Horman’s own writings within days of Kryon’s disappearance evidence her Achilles heel in that Ms. Horman complained loudly about criticism heaped upon her via the internet.
What followed was a whisper campaign of purported law enforcement leaks about Ms. Horman and people around her that has continually kept her name in the news since June 4, 2010. Mr. Horman’s court filings also evidence an effort to keep Ms. Horman under constant public scrutiny, by filing multiple motions over time that could have been either avoided or filed jointly.
Consider this: Kaine Horman failed to mention in his June 28, 2010, restraining order application that he wanted his wife out of the house and, as a result, on July 1, 2010, filed an amended petition for restraints and asked for an expedited hearing.
“..This omission is an odd oversight, considering that Mr. Horman filed for divorce, took the parties’ child, but failed to ask for the house. Possession of the family home is such a basic issue it would seem impossible for a family law attorney to forget to mention it in a party’s opening paper…”
Filing a separate motion to seek return of the family home seems like a good strategy for someone seeking to keep the focus on Ms. Horman. It’s new information to the media, whereas the fact that Kryon remained missing and Mr. Horman and Ms. Young’s suspicions about Ms. Horman were yesterday’s headline.
Early on in criminal investigation and prior to the divorce filing, Mr. Horman described his wife in benign terms. As the weeks stretch on, these descriptions became increasingly negative. Mr. Horman and Ms. Young both stated their objective was to keep the focus on Kyron. In the absence of anything new to report, both parents embarked on a campaign to slowly heap increasing pressure on Ms. Horman to talk.
From the law enforcement perspective, Ms. Horman is a natural suspect, given her relationship to the victim and the fact that she was the last person known to have been seen with him. Except for anonymous leaks and rumors, the only people who have put their names to allegations are Mr. Horman and Kyron’s mother Desiree Young. Both claim their information comes from law enforcement, but both have disagreed at times as to the credibility of the information they shared publicly. Such was the case with Ms. Young’s claim that Kyron was last seen outside the school near a white truck, while Mr. Horman quickly corrected her, saying the information had not been confirmed.
“..Without Ms. Young and Det. Tony Young in the room, Mr. Horman seems to have gone off script and now cannot control his message nor his anger. Mr. Horman angrily complains about horrible things that might have happened in front of Kiara, yet he cannot say what exactly became of Kyron, and whether there is any evidence to suggest Kiara was a witness to this unspecified event…”
In his most recent pleadings, Mr. Horman angrily recounts that Ms. Horman claimed she was going to the gym, but since their separation, he has come to believe that she spent the time talking to people and flirting. The portrait of a social butterfly chatting people up at the gym for hours on end doesn’t quite fit with Mr. Horman’s other claims that she was an angry, depressed new mother who drank her self blotto and could not maintain any sort of civility toward those around her.
Which is it? Was Ms. Horman a mean drunk who drank herself to sleep, or was she self-absorbed and social, staying up to all hours playing on the Internet while her child sat in the same room unattended and un-engaged? Or was she a social butterfly who spent most of her time outside the home while Mr. Horman was super dad, working long hours from home, caring for the children, and providing an income that he never could enjoy because Ms. Horman was spending it all? The claims are so disjointed, it is as though Mr. Horman decided to throw spaghetti at the wall, just to see what might stick.
Mr. Horman’s over-reaching was fore shadowed in an earlier motion filed on July 12, 2010, alleging Ms. Horman had violated the courts seal on the restraining order. The pleadings in the contempt matter went well beyond Mr. Horman’s claim that Ms. Horman allegedly disclosed confidential court papers to Michael Cook.
Mr. Horman asserted that Ms. Horman was involved with a sexual relationship with Mr. Cook and had sent him hundreds of text messages, most of which were sexual in nature (AKA “sexting”). These text messages allegedly included images of “graphic sexual activity,” though no such photos have been filed with the court.
“..Mr. Horman accused Ms. Horman of lacking any genuine affection for Kyron or Kiara saying that although her texts said she missed both children, the mentions were few. The implication of the narrative was that Ms. Horman could not possibly care about either child…”
Except for the specific passage alleging Ms. Horman shared a confidential document with Mr. Cook, none of the other allegations had anything to do with the underlying motion. None of these claims addressed the issue of whether Ms. Horman violated the court order, nor do they indicate any involvement by Ms. Horman in Kyron’s disappearance.
Mr. Horman went on to claim that an unnamed member or members of law enforcement “informed” him that the sexualized text messages “resemble” text messages sent to the “the man Respondent [Ms. Horman] previously attempted to hire to murder Petitioner [Mr. Horman].” Mr. Horman claimed in the same July 1 2court papers that Ms. Horman had asked Mr. Cook to lie to her attorney about “the fact that she had gone to Mr. Cook’s home.”
One news outlet found Mr. Horman’s pleadings so lurid it titled the document “sleazy.pdf” before posting it to its website.
On October 25, 2010, Mr. Horman finally filed the aforementioned text messages with the court, as an exhibit attached to his response to Ms. Horman’s parenting time request. A review of these document reveals that Ms. Horman never asked Mr. Cook to lie, nor did she speak of Kyron and Kiara in dismissive tones. Although most of the texts showed varying degrees of sexual discussion, there were also several texts that had nothing to do with Ms. Horman’s romantic attachments. Ms. Horman discussed cooking, eating “nutterbutter bites,” weight lifting, and their respective children.
..”Ms. Horman told Mr. Cook, “I was really upset that Kaine has Kitty but doesn’t know what her favorite toy or blanket is.”
-Terri Horman
A parent who does not care about her daughter would not waste a single moment worrying about her child having her favorite toy or blanket. The allegation that Mr. Horman did not know such basic information about his daughter provides motive for Mr. Horman to attempt to discredit Ms. Horman’s words as insincere. Otherwise, Ms. Horman’s words are truthful and reflect her historical relationship as primary care giver to both children.
On July 28, 2010, Mr. Horman filed yet another motion demanding Ms. Horman reveal the source of funds used to pay her lawyer. It was as though Mr. Horman was asking how Ms. Horman could have ever come up with that kind of money, given her status as a social pariah?
The problem with Mr. Horman’s strategy of piecemeal litigation it does not serve the purpose of expediting litigation. Instead, it creates a lot of embarrassment and harassment for Ms. Horman.
Oregon is a no-fault divorce state. This means that either party can ask for a divorce without having to prove any wrongdoing. Oregon is also an “equitable distribution” state which means that the court divides property equitably between the parties. Issues like infidelity and rude behavior are not factors in whether a party is entitled to divorce, or in dividing up the parties assets.
Mr. Horman raises several issues about Ms. Horman’s alleged conduct citing them as as basis to award sole custody and care of Kiara. The allegations are such that it becomes difficult for Ms. Horman to leave any responses up to her lawyer, who would not have personal knowledge required to speak to the many issues he raises.
Ultimately, the court will consider the allegations made by each party, weigh the credibility and relevance of each claim as to parenting issues then enter a temporary order as to the care and custody of the child.
Mr. Horman claims in his October 25 filings that Ms. Horman has a five year history of alcohol impairment. In his statement to the court, Mr. Horman claimed that his wife “could have an un diagnosed personality disorder or some type of emotional disturbance.”
The most recent claims by Mr. Horman are contradicted by his prior assertions in media interviews, and the actual chronology of the Hormans’ relationship.
Mr. Horman met Ms. Horman in the spring of 2002. According to Mr. Horman, the couple moved in together in December 2002. The couple was living together when Ms. Horman was cited for DUI on July 10, 2005. Two years later, the couple moved to their home on NW Sheltered Nook Road in January 2007.
Despite the DUI, Mr. Horman nonetheless went on to marry Ms. Horman on April 15, 2007. Ms. Horman gave birth to Kiara on November 12, 2008.
In a prior interview with KGW, Mr. Horman called Ms. Horman “a good person when we first met and for several years (I’d say up until 2008). She was always about children (teaching) and helping them grow and develop. Her attitude was always about those types of things first, her own self not even being a priority close to that. I believe that this is the Terri that everyone else saw and got to know as I did. Honestly everyone, including myself, that knew her or knows her did not see this coming. She was not the type of person we are seeing right now.”
Mr. Horman told KGW that he was blindsided by Kyron’s disappearance: “There were some signs of emotional distress here and there over the past year and a half but not enough of that directed at any one person to conclude she would be capable of anything even remotely close to events of the severity we have all seen. She recently got her teaching license re-instated and has been applying for teaching positions so even the state of Oregon didn’t see this coming.”
The person described in Mr. Horman’s October 25 court papers is not someone who could be described as hidden danger. If believed, Mr. Horman’s most recent statement outline a terrifying picture of a five-year pattern of child abuse and endangerment. Mr. Horman could not possibly be telling the truth in both of his interview with KGW and in his more recent court papers.
Also in the October 25 filing, Mr. Horman claims that he has always been the primary care giver to both Kiara and Kyron and describes Ms. Horman as frequently absent from their home, apparently leaving him with both children.
In a July 28, 2010, Oregonian article, Mr. Horman claimed Kiara was a much different child now that Ms. Horman was gone. He claimed Kiara did not ask about her mom. “‘She’s a new kid,’ he said. ‘She’s whole new kid now.’”
In a separate article, Mr. Horman discussed Ms. Horman’s excessive involvement in Kyron’s schooling and adamant enforcement of discipline. “He [Mr. Horman] said when Kyron brought home anything but a green card [indicating good behavior at school] she [Ms. Horman] wanted Kaine to discipline him by grounding him to his room for the evening.”
Mr. Horman also asserts in his October 25 court papers that Ms. Horman would put Kiara in the gym day care for “hours at a time,” and further claimed that Ms. Horman “spent more time on the computer than caring for the children.” If Mr. Horman was home and providing primary care for the children, then how would Kiara have ended up in day care for “hours at at time”? How would the children have remained unattended while Ms. Horman was updating her Facebook page?
Mr. Horman’s other narrative seems to indicate that Mr. Horman was not present in the home during the day, leaving Ms. Horman to care for the children. It also contradicts Mr. Horman’s escalating accusations that Ms. Horman was absent from the home, uninvolved, and not involved with the care of Kyron and Kiara.
Mr. Horman also claims in his pleadings that Ms. Horman’s son James lived with them until Feb 5, 2010, when he moved because Ms. Horman “was unable to interact with James on a healthy level and had him move to her parents’ home in Roseburg.”
Mr. Horman also claimed he was unaware of any landscaper, a detail which contradicts his most recent work-from-home story: “No, I did not know we had a landscaper and have never met him.” If he was at home, surely he would have known about a landscaper.
On July 8, 2010, Mr. Horman told the Oregonian that Ms. Horman began having problems with postpartum depression in November 2008.
“‘I thought the marriage was doing pretty well,’ Kaine Horman said during a one-on-one interview with The Oregonian, ‘until we had our daughter, Kiara.’ Horman said he thought his marriage to Terri Moulton Horman fractured within six months after she gave birth in November 2008, the result of postpartum depression.Terri Horman was put on medication for the depression, and her doctor told Kaine to keep an eye on her to make sure she was OK, he said. But she wasn’t OK.
If Mr. Horman thought Ms. Horman was a chronic danger to her children and Mr. Horman’s son,why did he not mention it prior to October 25, 2010? Could it be that Mr. Horman’s entire series of pleadings are designed to push Ms. Horman with ever-increasing allegations to the point where she has no choice but to respond?
There are other clues that Mr. Horman’s latest version of events is not entirely accurate. According to more recent news stories, James is again living with his mother. Strange, considering Mr. Horman’s claims that James changed high schools mid-semester and moved hundreds of miles because of Ms. Horman’s behavior.
There are also hints concerning law enforcement’s interest in the Horman dissolution. A June 6, 2010, letter from Norm W. Frink, chief deputy district attorney for Multnomah County, rescinded his statement that un sealing the restraining order would undermine the “ongoing criminal investigation.” If Ms. Horman was the target of the investigation, what purpose would be served by sealing court documents that were to be served upon Ms. Horman? The only other person identified in the pleadings was an unnamed landscaper alleged to have been contacted by Ms. Horman.
As we now know, the landscaper was involved in what has been characterized as a botched sting operation against Ms. Horman. As such, the only person protected by the the seal was Ms. Horman to the extent that the seal prevented the allegations from being disseminated publicly. Or could it be that law enforcement was concerned about accuracy of the information provided by the landscaper?
Law enforcement conducted its sting operation over open channels that were accessible to anyone listening on police channels. Was this an oversight, or was it a convenient way to ensure the information was released “unintentionally”?
If there was any blame for promoting a bogus murder for hire plot, law enforcement could point to Ms. Horman as bringing upon her own misery. She chose to disclose the documents, and as a result, the information was disseminated because of her actions in violating a court order, not law enforcement’s efforts to run out a possible lead, even if later proven false.
We don’t know what role Michael Cook played in the disclosure of the now-public restraining order. The texts between he and Ms. Horman seems to indicate Mr. Cook was not so much interested in sexual banter as much as he was in gathering information for Mr. Horman
The roles of Mr. Cook and the landscaper are highly relevant to evidentiary issues. If the landscaper was a confidential informant, the information he reported that was used as basis for the restraining order could not then be considered an admission against interest. Same thing applies to Mr. Cook.
Mr. Cook in particular seems not to be acting out of concern for Kyron. Who the hell smirks at a vigil for a missing child?)
Reading Mr. Cook’s texts to Terri, there’s a tone that suggests that someone was sitting right next to him, telling him what to type. If true, the question becomes who is that someone guiding Mr. Cook’s actions?
The sexting is weird, but it is hardly ground breaking. The courts have heard such allegations many times before, and without a doubt, the court has seen far worse. That is not to see the court is going to like the texts. Rather, the judge here is going to look at the pleadings with a critical eye for issues that affect parenting time.
Mr. Horman does not offer any evidence that Ms. Horman ever sexted when she should have been parenting. To the contrary Ms. Horman’s lawyers can point to Mr. Horman’s other statements as evidence that Ms. Horman was the primary care giver for James, Kyron, and Kiara. Her extensive collection of family photographs on her Facebook page support this assertion.
Mr. Horman cannot credibly claim that Ms. Horman was a threat to the children, considering that he often left the kids in her care. Mr. Horman did not have any concerns about Ms. Horman’s sobriety and fitness to care for the children the morning Kryon disappeared from school, as he left Kiara in her care and allowed her to take Kyron to school.
If she was a drunk and mean spirited, would Mr. Horman have have allowed Ms. Horman to have access to Kyron’s school records, and to become involved in his discipline? Ms. Horman was a step parent to Kyron. She had no rights except to that which Mr. Horman granted in signed consent forms required by Kyron’s school.
The text messages are racy, but they do not indicate any homicidal tendencies or ill will toward anyone. Nothing in the texts is homicidal by any stretch.
Mr. Horman’s source for his allegations poses a huge problem here. He cites to “law enforcement” as telling him Ms. Horman tried to hire a hit-man, and as to other issues. Not one of these allegations is admissible under any exception to hearsay. The fact that Mr. Horman does not identify the source is a problem in itself. This information might as well be graffiti on the wall of the public bathroom at the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office.
Were Mr. Horman to say that he read an allegation on the a bathroom wall at the MCSO would at least give it some sort of context that would suggest credibility. Mr. Horman’s vague claim makes it impossible to identify which law enforcement office among thousands in the United States might have conveyed such information. Without further identification, the reader cannot tell if the “source” was in a position to have any such knowledge in the first place.
The hearsay allegations offered by Mr. Horman allege child abuse and domestic violence. Under the Confrontation Clause, Ms. Horman has a right to confront her accusers. Ms. Horman does not need to speak in order for her lawyers to cross examine the sources of these allegations.
“..Mr. Horman claims that judges believe there is sufficient information to implicate Ms. Horman in Kyron’s disappearance. This begs the question: How is it that Mr. Horman is getting this information?”
It seems likely that Mr. Horman is referring to search warrants, which require reliable information that the item sought can be found at that location. If Mr. Horman was in fact referring to search warrants, it would be very interesting to find out who provided the information for the searches and what exactly was law enforcement looking for?
If Mr. Horman was the informant, it raises questions as to motive because Mr. Horman wants custody of Kiara. If the landscaper was the affiant, his personal motive for revenge becomes an issue, if it true that Ms. Horman had law enforcement go to his house and expose his extramarital affair in front of his family.
What law enforcement was seeking matters. Ms. Horman’s specialty was in teaching children with learning disabilities. She would have had access to confidential psychological testing, mental health records, medical documents, and possibly, CPS records, none of which could be disclosed except by parent authorization, or pursuant to subpoena or search warrant. Even though she had not worked in that area for some time, she may still have had such records in her home or on her laptop.
If Ms. Horman had such documents or data on her laptop or among her personal papers, she could not turn it over except by subpoena. As such, the mere presence of a search warrant does not mean Ms. Horman is guilty of anything.
..”Mr. Horman’s threat to conduct extensive depositions seems a clear warning to Ms. Horman that he intends to call Ms. Horman’s friends to deposition, put them under oath, and ask them questions. Lots of questions. If Mr. Horman’s pleadings are any sort of a hint, he is not going to make people feel good about befriending Ms. Horman…”
Peter Bunch’s statements at the prior court hearing referencing a December 26 call to 9-1-1 also suggests that maybe something happened the day after Christmas 2009. The implication is that Mr. Bunch intends to discuss that December 26 9-1-1 call in more detail. Don’t expect Mr. Horman to like any of it.
Discovery procedures allow Mr. Horman to get at any information reasonably calculated to lead to discovery of admissible evidence. This does not mean the information specifically sought must be admissible, only that it could reasonably lead to evidence that would be admissible. By that definition, Mr, Horman could justify deposing a great many people in Ms. Horman’s life.
Peter Bunch’s statements at the prior court hearing referencing a December 26 call to 9-1-1 also suggests that maybe something happened the day after Christmas 2009.
Clearly, each of these people has reason to avoid going back to court.
The most confusing aspect of this case is the fact that the restraining order and dissolution were consolidated months ago. Ms. Horman’s attorney notes this in his July 12, 2010, letter to the court.
Given that there is an abatement order in place, how is it that Ms. Horman can go forward with her request for parenting time under the restraining order matter? You would think that Ms. Rackner would have noted this information to the court. But she didn’t. Yet another strange footnote in a even stranger case.
Law enforcement likes to push the weakest link. Ms. Horman seems to be that link. What information does law enforcement hope to gain? Who is law enforcement’s ultimate target?
..”If not Ms. Horman exclusively, or Ms. Horman in any capacity, then who exactly does law enforcement hope to catch by pushing Ms. Horman until she finally breaks?”
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Kaine Horman and Desiree Young must be completely desperate by now. I can only imagine how difficult it must be to live every day with Kyron missing and believing that the person who is responsible for his disappearance is free and not talking. The frustration has to be very tough to take. The latest filings by Kaine do seem to contradict what he’s previously said. However, in my personal experience, alcoholism impacts family dynamics in so many ways. It creates an alternate reality that protects the alcoholic’s right to drink. My father used to say to my stepmother, “Alcohol wins all battles.” And it did. Perhaps, after all these months free from this sick existence, Kaine Horman is starting to realize what life with Terri was really like, how her drinking interfered with her parenting, just how much Kaine had to do at home for the children. Strange how previous reports had Terri’s teenage son, James, leaving because he couldn’t get along with Kaine. Now the story is that Terri couldn’t get along with him. I wonder which it is. Poor Kyron, what a tragic way for his life to end. Anyone with children who marries someone with an ongoing drinking problem will have nothing but trouble. Alcoholism destroys lives and families. Better not to introduce that problem to young children already dealing with divorce and loss of their nuclear family.
I have said this from the beginning (and was chastised, might I add) and will not be shocked to learn that KH had a hand in the disappearance of his son, however, this could be what Staton was referring to about the public being shocked. KH has a family history of sexual abuse. Having never met him, though, I am exceptional at reading body language, and in every video appearance he appears smug and controlling to me with an element that he is hiding pertinent information. At one point I recall reading that there was witnessed two vehicles racing on Sauvie Island on June 4th – a red car and a white truck… but cannot find that link now. Does anyone recall that or know where to find that link?
As I read on it appears that the city and state are notorious for wayward behavior, sex and drugs. As well, it seems as though this family was no stranger to many of those acts of dalliance. Not the best environment in which to raise a child.
Kyron had the same exact smile in every picture I’ve seen – the cheesy smile we used to call it whenever we prompted the smile from our children for pictures, more forced than natural.
As we have seen this past year, parents are capable of horrific acts to their children. I would be horrified but not shocked by anything this poor child endured.
God bless little Kyron, wherever he is.
Wow. WOW. Thanks for this, Lea and Blink.
I continue to maintain that Kaine is involved in this mess beyond what’s been released by MSM.
For the record, I do not believe Kaine had anything whatsoever to do with his son’s disappearance.
B
Seems to me, as I’ve stated before, all the monsters get all the protection while the sweet boy Kyron is still missing. Seems he’s been forgotten in all this BS. Poor boy. What a shame. I’ve never been so sad regarding this case as I am right now. Love you Kyron. I’m still praying every day for you. xxoox
Thank you so very much!
Now, let’s get back to Ky, the legal issues, and our own investigatory efforts.
I have neighbor who fits the inconsistent, disjointed profile you describe of Ms Horman to a tea. Sorry, it is odd, weird and even unbelievable to many of us, but there is a profile it fits and does exist .
My neighbor married to a successful professional is a drunk ( in an out of recovery. On one hand, over the last decade, I have seen her drive on the curb, rant in public and make out with the neighbor on the side of my house and spend time in rehab.
On the other, she is an avid school volunteer, is allowed to head committees, is a social butterfly always concerned about what everyone thinks. hre lies just roll off her tongue and I think she convinces herself they are true..
Her hubby can going long periods of time not really believing she is drinking again and that she has recovered. I assume based on his past behavior if she was accused of a cirme it would take the hubby a while to believe, or at least speak of her ills or even publically admit them to himself. I say this is how he has managed other episodes she has had.
I don’t think her personality is a unbelievable as portrayed by Kaine and fits some profile a shrink would understand, but hard for any of us to process.
Great to have Lea as a guest writer and a fantastic resource to help figure out what the strategies behind the legal maneuverings might reveal about those who may or may not be involved in Kyron’s disappearance. This is exactly the kind of thing that interests me because I think more than any statements that Kaine or Desiree have made or will make it’s more revealing to see the actual court filings and responses (or lack thereof). Especially to have someone with insight and experience to give some perspective and context to fill in the gaps.
Thanks so much Blink and Lea!
Lea Connor makes excellent points on every aspect of this case so far. Personally I think the innapropriate relationship she had with Michael Cook was the fodder for Kaine’s newfound anger.
But one cannot deny that he doth protest too much. It makes it all the more obvious that little Kyron’s home was a living hell for him. I have no doubt this woman was behind his disappearance. I also feel a complete mental evaluation of her is in order. But I also feel they need to do one on the father as well. Kaine had ample time and ample reason to have a serious intervention into his wife’s mental meltdown that might have even saved Kyron’s life. But he failed to act in the best interests of his children. It was also rumored he was having an inappropriate relationship with a co-worker. He needs to come clean about that once and for all. He is not completely innocent in this.
He and Desiree have closed ranks to force Terri to tell what she knows but it should be obvious to all by now she has no intention of incriminating herself.
So it all boils down to or it should boil down to what is in the best interest of little Kiara. I am not even comfortable with supervised visitation because there have been many instances of non-custodial parents cooking up schemes to snatch a child even while the caseworker is there. And—-Terri Horman—is the master of cooking up schemes. First murder for hire, then Kyron, then trying to snatch Kiara from gym daycare. Sorry, Terri, three strikes means you’re out.
My apologies to Lea, she is an “er” not an “or”- has been corrected.
B
Fascinating reading. Thanks all.
Wow, what a tangled up mess. Thank you Lea Conner for the great synopsis. I hope Kyron does not get completely lost in all of the legal maneuverings involved in the custody proceedings. It’s all so sad…… And beejay, yes, lets us keep trying to discover what may have happened to Kyron, and who took him.
Thanks to Lea Conner for the great analysis. I actually need to read it again to digest it properly. Read the first time without my morning coffee.
What I don’t understand is why there are seemingly so many strategic mistakes from Kaine’s camp. While I am still not sure what is fact or fiction, I do understand hindsight and how Kaine could have been in denial about Terri. When I say denial, I know that it is often hard to understand what happens in an alcoholic home until there chance to be removed from it and deal with the after thoughts and emotions of it. BUT!!!!!!!! it is NOT as if Kaine had lived with Terri as some hideous alcoholic for years on end, to the point where he had learned those classic coping skills (dysfunctional). At least that is my opinion.
If true about Terri, it seems as though Kaine was so involved in his work and maybe other things, to have had the time or desire to get help for the situation. There are just so many contradictions. And woudn’t Desiree have had an inclination about Terri’s alcohol use over this time period? I thought that Terri often drove Kyron half-way to meet Desiree. Maybe my memory is faulty here.
Something is just not panning out here.
My questions is: Where does MCDA Schrunk fit into all of this legal wrangling? Is he involved at all with what Rackner and KH are doing? Or is he having a private hissy fit about all of this? Good God, we are neck deep in shit here, and no closer to finding Ky.
Excellent analysis!
“Which is it? Was Ms. Horman a mean drunk who drank herself to sleep, or was she self-absorbed and social, staying up to all hours playing on the Internet while her child sat in the same room unattended and unengaged? Or was she a social butterfly who spent most of her time outside the home while Mr. Horman was super dad, working long hours from home, caring for the children, and providing an income that he never could enjoy because Ms. Horman was spending it all? The claims are so disjointed, it is as though Mr. Horman decided to throw spaghetti at the wall, just to see what might stick.”
Sorry, I disagree. My opinion is it is possible for someone to be all of the above. We had one in the family.
Lea, thank you so much for this analysis!!! It provides an excellent insight from a legal point of view. I have seen inconsistencies with Kaine’s statements long before any court filings. One day he said his wife was cooperating and the next he asked for a restraining order! These inconsistencies have never been lost on me. I think it is so obvious that all the these motions have been a futile attempt to force TH to tell what she knows about Kyron’s disappearance. As you said in a no-fault divorce proceeding, these accusations are unnecessary. I understand why Kaine and his attorney are making the accusations, but I have never thought these motions would have the desired affect.
Lea said – “On October 25, 2010, Mr. Horman finally filed the aforementioned text messages with the court, as an exhibit attached to his response to Ms. Horman’s parenting time request. A review of these document reveals that Ms. Horman never asked Mr. Cook to lie, nor did she speak of Kyron and Kiara in dismissive tone.”
However, I do believe TH asked MC to lie. His response indicates that he thought she was trying to get him to lie as well. Perhaps it is lying by omission, but to me it is lying just the same.
Terri Hormon Text of 7/07/10 at 8:18
“Whatever you need. I didnt tell my attorney or DeDe I came over last nite. I would get n trouble. Can you not mention it? I was worried about u. I said I went 4 a drive. I was really upset that kaine has kitty but doesnt know what her favorite toy or or blanket is.”
I also do not think TH is saying she is upset that Kaine does not know what Kitty’s favorite blanket or toy is, I think this was just part of her lie to DeDe and her attorney as the excuse to go “for a drive” while she was really trying to get some from MC. She just told DeDe that she was really upset about Kitty being without her fav blanket, but was not actually upset since she hightailed it over to MC’s place for some arm wrestling.
That she tells MC she was “worried about u” makes me want to choke her. Why is she not worried about Kyron? Why not worry about Kitty? Why not worry about James and what he must be going through? Why not worry about her elderly parents? Why not worry about other children at Skyline? Instead her texts show she is worried about MC!!!! And worried about whether she will be busted on her “clean” phone.
Thank you Lea for you analysis. There is a lot in there to digest!
FairWitness says:
October 29, 2010 at 9:02 am
annetteaa1 says:
October 29, 2010 at 10:02 am
I agree with both of you. Hindsight is 20/20. I think Kaine has looked back at the situation without the rose colored glasses on. I also believe he has heard things from the gym and from friends regarding what Terri did and said and he had no idea at the time this was going on, thus his previous statements. The sexts did it for me. Not one mention of Kyron. Terri is a 40 year old woman, not a teenager.
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Mermaid14 says:
October 29, 2010 at 10:18 am
I agree with most of your post, except the stuff about Kaine. I’m not sure why he’d have to come clean about an affair. I don’t see the relevance to Kyron missing. Maybe the MFH? His alleged affair is no justification for Terri doing something to Kyron. I’m not condoning his affair if he had one. I just don’t see how him coming clean on that would help the situation. I don’t think Terri will ever talk and she is involved IMO.
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Lea’s analysis also has me wondering about what LE has told Kaine regarding Terris involvement. How much (or how little) do they have on her? Also, the lack of information from LE to the public….MCSO is the primary on this with other agencies in a support role. Would for example the FBI tell MCSO if they thought a strategy would or wouldn’t work? It would be interesting to know when all is said and done what happened between the agencies. I think LE may only get a break in this case if they do release more information. MOO.
I echo Jen .. Wow. WOW. Answered all of my questions and criticisms.
JEN says:
October 29, 2010 at 9:13 am
I continue to maintain that Kaine is involved in this mess beyond what’s been released by MSM.
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I know what you mean … there’s a “lifestyle” issue here that does not belong just to TH .. to what extent KH was aware and/or involved is what we don’t know.
Jden,
Yes, I recall that about the white truck and red Mustang. How could a person’s brain not spin when trying to understand what is happening in this case?
Setting aside all that we think we know, it would be easy for someone who just started to read about this case based on this analysis and think that MAYBE Kaine got Terri to be involved in some crazy scheme that went wrong or acted solo and set up his seemingly unstable wife.
sigh….
Excellent article. Great job. SO MUCH of this has been on my mind since reading the filings. It just doesn’t add up.
IMO, I believe the abduction was premeditated. If Kyron had not been seen @ the SF, I could see something happening the night before and both parents covering it up. However, in my humble opinion for two parents to plan the abduction and or murder of a child is impossible.
A picky complaint about the report.
The content was very interesting, but, throughout the piece there is quoted text in bold. One of these quotes is attributed to Terri Horman but the others have no attribution.
Are these part of Ms. Conner’s article? Statements by Blink? Some other source?
Unless noted, as I did for Terri so there would be no confusion, there are Ms. Conner’s
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“Which is it?” the lawyer contributor asks. So what if Kaine Horman has changed his tactic and has started to leak out his feelings that contradict his well-controlled, probably designed to give his wife every chance to come forward with what she knows, information?
Which is it? Whatever it takes to help bring his young innocent child HOME, is what is it… so what if his subjective thoughts leak through in a change of tactic that finally shows what he’s feeling.
The writer takes this as a ‘change of story.’ The story hasn’t changed, this is a grieving father who wants his child home safely, or home at all.
I am so confused by this new piece. There are so many points in it where we have both read the same information and have come off with completely different interpretations. I have put just two examples below.
EG 1:
From piece -> “A review of these document reveals that Ms. Horman never asked Mr. Cook to lie,” and ”Ms. Horman told Mr. Cook, “I was really upset that Kaine has Kitty but doesn’t know what her favorite toy or blanket is.”
From texts -> TMH WRITES: Whatever you need. I didnt tell my atty or dede i came over last nite,I wld get n trouble. Can u not mention it ? I was worried about u I said I went 4 a drive. I was really upset that kaine has kitty but doesnt know what her favorite toy or blanket is
to which, MC REPLIES: “Please don’t ask me to lie – especially over something trivial like tour coming by my house to talk…….”
My Interpretation: To me that shows that she did in fact ask him to lie for her and her concern over the toy and blanket were just part of the cover story she told DS and Houze so that she wouldn’t get in trouble. That doesn’t show genuine concern about her daughter to me.
EG 2:
From piece -> Also in the October 25 filing, Mr. Horman claims that he has always been the primary caregiver to both Kiara and Kyron and describes Ms. Horman as frequently absent from their home, apparently leaving him with both children.
From 25 Oct filing ->
4. Respondent’s attorney, in a declaration filed on October 13, 2010, states “It is undisputed that Respondent was Kiara’s primary caregiver”. That statement is not true. I dispute the claim that Respondent was Kiara’s primary caregiver. Further, I believe that Respondent is not fit to have contact with Kiara, even if supervised.
5. During our marriage, I worked at home on average three to five days a week. I would be at home and present with both children most afternoons and evenings unless travelling for business. Both Respondent and I shared responsibility for Kiara.
My interpretation: KH never claims to be the primary caregiver. He in fact states that they shared this responsibility.
He also states that the drinking was an evening activity and not that she drank all day long.
No one that comments here lived inside the Horman home. We don’t know what is a little true or what KH had accepted as routine in their house and now sees as unsafe or not right. On the other hand, we don’t know what may be completely off base.
What we do know is that we have TMH who was the last person to see Kyron (according to LE) and we have MFH allegations. We have her own lawyers admitting that she is a suspect and that her taking the stand in the divorce would incriminate her in the criminal trial. We have texts days after her daughter is taken from where she is more concerned about whether a relatively new person in her life wants to do her ‘doggie’ without mention of how she wishes she knew where Kyron was so this could all be over and they could all be a happy family again.
And what we have is a father who has lost one child and is afraid that the person he has been led to believe is responsible, may have a chance to do the same with the only child he has left. And now he is fighting two battles .. to find Kyron and protect Kiara.
Now how do we proceed in trying to bring Kyron home, rather than stay focused on the divorce/custody battle?
Hindsite is often 20/20. I’ve looked back over relationships in my past and have been shocked at the behaviors (mine and theirs). Time brings on clarity. You move on, learn lessons and hopefully haven’t married them.
something that really stood out for me …
*We don’t know what role Michael Cook played in the disclosure of the now-public restraining order. The texts between he and Ms. Horman seems to indicate Mr. Cook was not so much interested in sexual banter as much as he was in gathering information for Mr. Horman
The roles of Mr. Cook and the landscaper are highly relevant to evidentiary issues. If the landscaper was a confidential informant, the information he reported that was used as basis for the restraining order could not then be considered an admission against interest. Same thing applies to Mr. Cook.
Mr. Cook in particular seems not to be acting out of concern for Kyron. Who the hell smirks at a vigil for a missing child?)
Reading Mr. Cook’s texts to Terri, there’s a tone that suggests that someone was sitting right next to him, telling him what to type. If true, the question becomes who is that someone guiding Mr. Cook’s actions?
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if any or even some of this is accurate … this is the kind of defense strategy Houze is known for … looking for screw ups in the investigation.
also, note .. “If the landscaper was a confidential informant” ..
AKA “undercover” …
I’m disappointed at the tone of this article. Turning the attention towards Kaine to deflect the disgusting texts of his wife and her very likely involvement in his son’s disappearance is beyond reprehensible. I see Blink clarified tht she does not think Kaine is involved but articles like this will only add to the fuel and victimize Kaine. I’m done here!
Respectfully, I disagree. The tone of the article implies that LE and Kaine are utilizing the Family Court to learn information, not judging it necessarily. I have said that from the beginning that it is dangerous to a prosecution, because it is.
Legal analysis of legal filings is important to this case.
B
so the glaring question now is …
..”If not Ms. Horman exclusively, or Ms. Horman in any capacity, then who exactly does law enforcement hope to catch by pushing Ms. Horman until she finally breaks?”
I’m sure Lea Conner’s analysis is meant to display the types of issues Terri’s attorneys will raise, based on various statements by Kaine. I do understand that. I do respect Lea Conner’s experience and intention.
That said, I don’t appreciate the tone of her analysis. I feel like Kaine’s being picked on. Terri is a monster. She’s effected many many peoples lives in a horrible way. My sincere sympathy to Kyron, Kiara, James, Kaine, Desiree and Tony.
Terri will get hers eventually. I’m sure she will be the “EVIL Red Headed Squirrel Queen” of whatever prison she ends up in. At least for awhile. Have you seen Susan Smith lately… looks really old and unattractive. Murdering children probably does that to a gal.
Unfortunately, Terri’s inevitable future relocation doesn’t help Kyron or his real family. Love to Kyron.
I think inherently it is difficult for most to separate legal wranglings as they relate to law, and the emotional issues of the criminal matter, and Kyron’s disappearance. Personally, I am feeling like having this conversation could help him to realize he may not be getting the best advice, I don’t know.
We agree on our feelings of Terri.
B
Thanks Lea and Blink.
@Lea or whoever might know: Given that TMH lawyers asked for an abatement and then later asked for parenting time, wasn’t it necessary at some point for Rackner to respond to that request formally? (And in this case try to block that request and point out the need for formal assessment of TMH competency?)Granted this prob went way overboard, but SOMETHING had to be done I would think.
Re: KH didn’t know they had a landscaper-it seems quite possible to me that even working from home 3 days a week for half the day, it would be easy to miss an early morning mowing, or the landscaper stopping by on T/TH when KH was home MWF. Also, and I think this is important, I don’t think that TMH and KH EVER “had a landscaper”. I think TMH was just having an affair with him and maybe only had him doing small jobs here and there in the yard.
@Annateeaa: I agree with you for the most part. Having lived with an alcoholic myself and having several in the family, I have seen first hand the exact sorts of things that KH discusses in his motion. I have seen the alcoholic become obsessed with the internet (a second addiction and often one that took the place of drinking) to the point where they wouldn’t get up in the morning, whether to feed and clothe their child because of lack of sleep, just like a hangover to someone who drank. This person, when sober, was a good enough parent and did not drinking during the day and so it was never an issue of DUI when caring for the child. They could be very charming and personable, even with a drink or two. But by the time of the third, fourth, or tenth drink they became combative and irritated.
I have seen everything Kaine described in someone I cared for who was otherwise a decent parent, except when they were not. And when the incidences were spread out enough, it is easy to dismiss the bad times until the next bad time. KH is having a very bad time of things right now I am sure.
TH should and will, eventually be granted full custody of Kiara. Will Kaine be given visitation rights ? Not sure. He probably deserves at least some visitation, I think.
I do believe he will be forced to pay a monthly child support payment. Alimony? You betcha… TH is too delicate to work, and doesn’t have much of a work history to speak of anyway.
As far as Kyron goes, well, he is gone. I would like to say to a better place, but, that is just magical delusional thinking. If and when they can PROVE that TH had anything with Kyron’s death then and only then should they consider taking her rights away.
Respectfully, TH will not be granted full custody by any stretch of the imagination of Kiara.
B
I do not for one minute think that Kaine had anything to do with Kyron disappearing. TO JDEN: Kaine does not look smug, like he’s covering something up. He looks beyond hurt, grieving. I think it is ridiculous to insinuate that he had a hand in this. He wants his son back NOW. Kaine, I’m sure, would give his right leg to hold Kyron in his arms again. Maybe some of his comments aren’t the same as before. But he’s had plenty of time to sit back and analyze his relationship with Terri and everything that went on. Some things will change. That’s to be expected. I stand behind kaine 110% and pray that someday he will hold his little boy again. Love and prayers to Kyron.
Thanks to Lea and Blink for the other side of things. I haven’t posted for a while, but this excellent piece has prompted me to respond. One little nugget from Kaine’s filing I can’t forget:
“Until respondent begins answering questions about the events of June 4, 2010, I cannot support any contact between her and Kiara, even if supervised.”
And this:
“I want Respondent to being cooperating with law enforcement. I want Respondent to tell the truth. I want Respondent to provide information to investigators that may lead to Kyron’s location.”
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Kaine+October+25+Filing.pdf
Here Kaine shows his true motive with this filing. Will Kaine support contact between Kiara and Terri if she does spill to investigators? After the dirt he shares here, I am surprised he is still trying to bargain. If the alcohol abuse allegations are true, she doesn’t become a more fit parent just by cooperating with investigators.
After following along for months, I believe Terri is involved mostly because of the statistical probability. She probably does have a personality disorder, but I know and have close contact with others who do and they haven’t killed anyone. I married into a family who react strongly to things that happen to themselves personally, but seem to have no regard to the pain of others. It’s as if they just do not have the energy or capability for empathy and compassion. None of them are murderers.
“..This omission is an odd oversight, considering that Mr. Horman filed for divorce, took the parties’ child, but failed to ask for the house. Possession of the family home is such a basic issue it would seem impossible for a family law attorney to forget to mention it in a party’s opening paper…” http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/10/29/kyron-horman-case-update-blinkoncrime-com-legal-analyst-lea-conner-weighs-in/#more-4741
Good point, Lea. I wonder if LE told Kaine to vacate the house quickly because they needed it for the sting. And then I wonder if LE asked Kaine to allow Terri to stay in the house because they had it bugged and could better control her whereabouts.
Kaine mentions what seems to me to be a totally non-relevant issue with Terri lying to media about Kaine and Kiara leaving the house. Is he trying to prove that she is not dealing with reality or that she is a liar? Because, the same could be said about him, although I can’t entirely fault him for his denial and 20/20 hindsight. I was hospitalized last weekend with a serious cardiac arrhythmia and when I was asked if I had these symptoms recently, I answered no. But then I remembered the episode six months ago at aerobics when I almost passed out, and the more recent episodes of a flutter in my chest that resolved quickly. Silly me.
I see Kaine finally reaching the point that Desiree did earlier of completely giving up control in order to find his son. The filing seems almost the legal equivalent to Desiree’s plea at the wall of hope. It does make me wonder if there is something else more shocking to come.
One last thing. If Terri were a falling down drunk and out of control nymphomaniac, I am even more amazed that she would be able to pull off Kyron’s disappearance without leaving any evidence. Wouldn’t a sloppy drunk leave a sloppy trail?
I am impressed by the work Blinksters have put in to research the characters involved and their connections. I’m leaning towards a more simple explanation, but I appreciate that you all are leaving no stone unturned.
@ Kleat says:
October 29, 2010 at 11:42 am
The story hasn’t changed, this is a grieving father who wants his child home safely, or home at all.
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Of course, I believe you’re correct. But, as Dr. Phil would ask, “And how’s that working for you?”
I just don’t think KH’s strategy is gonna work. And I have to repeat myself, here: IF Terri knows what happened to Ky, and IF she didn’t do it herself, and IF the perp was REALLY scarey (which, we’d assume s/he was to have done this), then I still say that Terri is scared to death that the perp can arrange the disappearance one of her other children if she rats him/her out now.
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enumclawrose or anyone else who can point me: was that apartment address we have for Ubaldo with Elsy as a household member the last known address for Ubaldo or Ubaldo and Maria G? Or was there a more recent addy?
@RollerMonkey says “That said, I don’t appreciate the tone of her analysis. I feel like Kaine’s being picked on.”
@Kleat says ““Which is it?” the lawyer contributor asks. So what if Kaine Horman has changed his tactic and has started to leak out his feelings that contradict his well-controlled, probably designed to give his wife every chance to come forward with what she knows, information?
Which is it? Whatever it takes to help bring his young innocent child HOME, is what is it… so what if his subjective thoughts leak through in a change of tactic that finally shows what he’s feeling.The writer takes this as a ‘change of story.’ The story hasn’t changed, this is a grieving father who wants his child home safely, or home at all.”
I agree.
@foobros,
My mentioning Kaine possibly having an extamarital affair during all of the chaos in the home goes to answer the question why he did not try to have an intervention sooner in the family if Terri was as unfit a mother as he is claiming. I think he just gave up on her, started doing his own thing and living a separate life. I also don’t think he was at home as many days as he claims. He talks about her spending too much time on the internet yet I saw facebook posts from him to her facebook account showing his participation in some kind of online gaming thing. He is trying to play the hero/villain game and it is not going to go well for him. I, like Blink, do not believe he had any hand at all in Kyron’s disappearance and my heart goes out to he and Desiree both that their son is gone. I also feel for him because I too have been in a relationship with a narcissistic personality disordered individual who also had a drinking problem. However there were no small children involved. Unless you have been there you have no idea what a living hell these kinds of people can turn your life into. Oh, it never starts out that way. They are “charmers”, they manipulate, lie, and completely turn your head around to where you end up questioning your own eyes and ears. Their dark side is as dark as it gets. I got out of the relationship with my life, I’ll say that much. Had I stayed, there is no telling what may have happened. They think only of themselves. They are incapable of the real human feeling called LOVE. They can only possess.
Re: Why didn’t KH and Rackner just go right for getting her tossed out of the house instead of waiting and going after it again later?
The house was bugged.
After the texts from TMH came to light, LE now knew that TMH knew the house was bugged. I think at some point DDS made reference to them going outside to talk.
I am not sure that Kaine is being victimized. In fact, I know very little about Kaine.
Frankly, I would like to know what was not revealed in court documents to protect earning capacity. Could someone please help me understand this, correct my understanding and/or recolection on this?
If Kaine has nothing to hide, what difference does it make at this point? What was stated in the analysis is extremely important and as Bink pointed out could be an indication of poor advice. It is what it is. To NOT want contradictions analyzed would appear questionable and biased to me.
@beejay, everything I post on BOC are my opinions and I realize that everyone is entitled to theirs as well so I mean no disrespect when I say based on the texts alone TH seems anything but scared to me…
Ok one more post and then I’m stepping away from the computer. I admit there are many things about this article that upset me.
“Mr. Horman angrily complains about horrible things that might have happened in front of Kiara, yet he cannot say what exactly became of Kyron, and whether there is any evidence to suggest Kiara was a witness to this unspecified event…””
“angrily complains”? really? A child is missing.
How does the writer know what evidence LE may or may not have shared with Kaine?
The author say “Consider this: Kaine Horman failed to mention in his June 28, 2010, restraining order application that he wanted his wife out of the house and, as a result, on July 1, 2010, filed an amended petition for restraints and asked for an expedited hearing.”
Perhaps the house was bugged???
I apologize but my emotions are getting the better of me.
What an emotional piece! I don’t think that Kaine had anything to do with the disappearance with Kyron. I have always stated that his choices in life did lead to the disappearance of Kyron. Easier to see looking backwards though. I think releasing the information was part of a grief step…anger. Most married people I know defend their living situation until they have escaped it and can recognize the sickness in it. Those are the lucky ones. One of my relatives continues to defend and live with the man who has put her in the hospital several times….he’s better THIS time….little children in that situation.
I think this post is a taste of how this is going to go. The arguments Terri’s lawyers are going to use to combat for their client. I’m sure it is going to get much uglier and my perception is that Kaine is willing to have his darkest moments exposed for the sake of his children.
The thing that bothers me most about this article is the assumption that since James is living with Terri things couldn’t be that bad. Children will always return to their abusive parents trying to fix them and get the unconditional love they have lacked in life.
Now let me tell you about Roseburg and Douglas county. Rural Oregon is NOT Portland or Eugene. Douglas County is one of the poorest counties with one of the highest rates of unemployment. If DCFS is not investigating this it would be no surprise to me. The sickest behavior goes on in rural Oregon and most of it is not investigated due to politics and lack of funding. Previously we have joked on this blog about Lincoln County being like Deliverance. But Douglas County makes Lincoln County look like Mr. Rogers F***…Neighborhood. Everytime I do business there I always end up calling my sister with a new tale of a new low that I witnessed….
An example of what its like in rural Oregon. A friend of mine turned over a crack pipe and a pound of marijuana she found in her husbands drawer to the police. There is a young child in the house and the Officers just offered to dispose of it…no drug tests no call to DCFS. The standards of what is an acceptable environment for children to live in is incredibly low in rural Oregon. I could tell you of case after case I have heard multitudes of things I have seen. There is a reason that so many of us are wary of law enforcement. It is from experience. I live in Jackson County which has much better law enforcement and social services than Douglas,Josephine, Klamath and Lake counties….I’m not familiar with Lincoln County anymore.
That sending photos of masturbation is just racy… I can’t even respond to that….The Hilton’s, Kardashian’s, Woods,..MTV have managed to take our country in a direction I find repulsive….not the act of masturbation but the public sharing of this private act.
@ Observant says:
October 29, 2010 at 12:51 pm
@beejay, everything I post on BOC are my opinions and I realize that everyone is entitled to theirs as well so I mean no disrespect when I say based on the texts alone TH seems anything but scared to me…
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Let me respond as if you were not using an ad hominem argument:
I’m suggesting, as I’m guessing you may realize, that TH is afraid of the perp who disappeared Ky. And, let’s suppose that she does not believe Cook to be that guy. Therefore, TH was not afraid of MC. TH, may, however, know of a VERY SCAREY person who she would not (subsequent to June 4, anyway) text, sext, nor rat out to LE.
I am no longer amused at the soap opera discussion. It’s time to move on. Blink and Lea have tried to help us turn this ship around.
I’d want to throw a lot more than spaghetti at the wall if my son was still missing and my spouse was behaving that badly.
I think that objectives of the recent filing by Kaine’s attorney are:
1. To goad TH into speaking out on her own behalf, thus (maybe) opening herself up to further questioning regarding the events of June 4.
2. Delay any decision on TH’s visitation requests, by requiring that TH undergo psychological evaluation, including questioning her friends as to TH’s fitness for visitation. Thus hoping that maybe by the time all of the testing and questioning are done TH will have been charged with something and be in less of a position to ask for visitation. Or maybe as a result of said testing TH would be declared unfit to be allowed visitation. A win/win either way.
I would just like to add that I do not think that KH is going to be able to terminate TH’s parental rights, and I am sure he will not be able to alter the fact that TH is Kiara’s biological mother.
BTW
I have seen parents spend thousands of dollars to restrict access to of the other parent whom they (maybe even rightfully) believe to be evil, and therefor a bad influence on their child. Then when the child is old enough to be able to act on their own they end up seeking out their bio parent and establishing a relationship anyway. So i guess this means that KH can protect Kiara from TH until Kiara is old enough to make her own decision on how she feels about her mother. JMO
Kleat says:
October 29, 2010 at 11:42 am
“Which is it?” the lawyer contributor asks. So what if Kaine Horman has changed his tactic and has started to leak out his feelings that contradict his well-controlled, probably designed to give his wife every chance to come forward with what she knows, information?
Which is it? Whatever it takes to help bring his young innocent child HOME, is what is it… so what if his subjective thoughts leak through in a change of tactic that finally shows what he’s feeling.
The writer takes this as a ‘change of story.’ The story hasn’t changed, this is a grieving father who wants his child home safely, or home at all.
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My thoughts exactly Kleat. I have lived with a “few” alkies in my time and one was a female and very VERY sneaky about it. It wasn’t till a few of us got together and compared “mental notes” did it all come together and you could see much clearer the BIG picture….
Kaine’s hand was forced when TH asked for visitation.. He has said this is all about KY but then he HAD to either turn over his daughter to this monster or he had to come out swinging and hopefully in the mean time get some MUCH needed answers..
KH didn’t know at the time that there was friends missing booze or that she would spend hours at the gym… These were all after the fact that when you put it with what he saw or others saw you see a whole different person.. Couple that with the MFH and the sexting.. you see a MUCH clearer picture of TH..
Kaine took a poly and passed did TH?
Kaine has told investirgators everything he did that day.. did TH?
Kaine has done interview after interview BEGGING for help as TH?
Sorry Blink really not trying to be rude but I think this report did more harm then good.. JMO
Marci-
I am open to your opinion and you know I think the world of Kleat also, but more harm than good to WHOM?
I am not clear.
B
Again,
This is not and should not be about Kyorn. He is gone, sadly, and should NOT be the foucs of the family court doctorine.
This is about Kitty. Her birthday is coming up…. quickly. Let’s hope Kaine does the right thing and allows Kitty to spend at least half the day with the mother she loves.
I have to say I do not agree with that, and I would not let this woman near my child without a licensed professional recommending it was in KIARA’s best interests to see her Mother, of course in a controlled setting.
Analysis aside, she is batshit to behave that way.
I was reading those, throwing up in my mouth a little, and thinking, how freaking sad is this woman talking about how much she can bench. My ass she can bench that much right now anyway.
If someone comes away from those exchanges, given the situation, and thinks this woman does not need major psych help, you also believe everything in STAR magazine.
B
Many Thanks
B
Thank You to Lea
if they really wanted Terri to talk they should have got her a new
laptop and let her post all over the Internet
I am not sure what is going on half of the time here
I wish we could locate Kyron
I think I could make a lot quicker progress here if I knew conversational spanish. Can anyone recommend a good system for learning latin-american spanish (not traditional castilian, as spoken in Spain)?
Rosetta Stone is too expensive; Rocket Learning looks better priced and gets good reviews.
Anyone?
Earbug something or other- I freshened up on my French and German with it dowloaded from itunes.
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