Kyron Horman Case Update: Blinkoncrime.com Legal Analyst Lea Conner Weighs In
Portland, OR- Please Welcome Again blinkoncrime.com Contributing Editor And Legal Analyst, Washington Family Law Attorney, Lea Conner.
Although I am not licensed in Oregon, I grew up there and was a news reporter for several years in that state, during which time I covered the cops and courts beat. My practice in Washington state deals in family law matters. As such, I can comment as to my knowledge of family law and court proceedings, but my comments are general analysis, not legal advice.
Kaine Horman’s pleadings of October 25, 2010, unleashed a tempest of charges against his wife, claiming she was a raging drunk whose inability to control her anger and her drinking had already caused her to give up custody of one child prior to the disappearance of her stepson on June 4, 2010. Unlike his prior, more tersely-written court filings, Mr. Horman’s words are more personal and angry. They are also contradicted by his prior statements to the court and to the media, and the very documentation he provided as part of his October 25 court papers.
The latest round of pleadings from Mr. Horman seems to fit a far bigger effort by Mr. Horman and Desiree Young to push Ms. Horman to the point where she would be forced to speak in her own defense. Ms. Horman’s own writings within days of Kryon’s disappearance evidence her Achilles heel in that Ms. Horman complained loudly about criticism heaped upon her via the internet.
What followed was a whisper campaign of purported law enforcement leaks about Ms. Horman and people around her that has continually kept her name in the news since June 4, 2010. Mr. Horman’s court filings also evidence an effort to keep Ms. Horman under constant public scrutiny, by filing multiple motions over time that could have been either avoided or filed jointly.
Consider this: Kaine Horman failed to mention in his June 28, 2010, restraining order application that he wanted his wife out of the house and, as a result, on July 1, 2010, filed an amended petition for restraints and asked for an expedited hearing.
“..This omission is an odd oversight, considering that Mr. Horman filed for divorce, took the parties’ child, but failed to ask for the house. Possession of the family home is such a basic issue it would seem impossible for a family law attorney to forget to mention it in a party’s opening paper…”
Filing a separate motion to seek return of the family home seems like a good strategy for someone seeking to keep the focus on Ms. Horman. It’s new information to the media, whereas the fact that Kryon remained missing and Mr. Horman and Ms. Young’s suspicions about Ms. Horman were yesterday’s headline.
Early on in criminal investigation and prior to the divorce filing, Mr. Horman described his wife in benign terms. As the weeks stretch on, these descriptions became increasingly negative. Mr. Horman and Ms. Young both stated their objective was to keep the focus on Kyron. In the absence of anything new to report, both parents embarked on a campaign to slowly heap increasing pressure on Ms. Horman to talk.
From the law enforcement perspective, Ms. Horman is a natural suspect, given her relationship to the victim and the fact that she was the last person known to have been seen with him. Except for anonymous leaks and rumors, the only people who have put their names to allegations are Mr. Horman and Kyron’s mother Desiree Young. Both claim their information comes from law enforcement, but both have disagreed at times as to the credibility of the information they shared publicly. Such was the case with Ms. Young’s claim that Kyron was last seen outside the school near a white truck, while Mr. Horman quickly corrected her, saying the information had not been confirmed.
“..Without Ms. Young and Det. Tony Young in the room, Mr. Horman seems to have gone off script and now cannot control his message nor his anger. Mr. Horman angrily complains about horrible things that might have happened in front of Kiara, yet he cannot say what exactly became of Kyron, and whether there is any evidence to suggest Kiara was a witness to this unspecified event…”
In his most recent pleadings, Mr. Horman angrily recounts that Ms. Horman claimed she was going to the gym, but since their separation, he has come to believe that she spent the time talking to people and flirting. The portrait of a social butterfly chatting people up at the gym for hours on end doesn’t quite fit with Mr. Horman’s other claims that she was an angry, depressed new mother who drank her self blotto and could not maintain any sort of civility toward those around her.
Which is it? Was Ms. Horman a mean drunk who drank herself to sleep, or was she self-absorbed and social, staying up to all hours playing on the Internet while her child sat in the same room unattended and un-engaged? Or was she a social butterfly who spent most of her time outside the home while Mr. Horman was super dad, working long hours from home, caring for the children, and providing an income that he never could enjoy because Ms. Horman was spending it all? The claims are so disjointed, it is as though Mr. Horman decided to throw spaghetti at the wall, just to see what might stick.
Mr. Horman’s over-reaching was fore shadowed in an earlier motion filed on July 12, 2010, alleging Ms. Horman had violated the courts seal on the restraining order. The pleadings in the contempt matter went well beyond Mr. Horman’s claim that Ms. Horman allegedly disclosed confidential court papers to Michael Cook.
Mr. Horman asserted that Ms. Horman was involved with a sexual relationship with Mr. Cook and had sent him hundreds of text messages, most of which were sexual in nature (AKA “sexting”). These text messages allegedly included images of “graphic sexual activity,” though no such photos have been filed with the court.
“..Mr. Horman accused Ms. Horman of lacking any genuine affection for Kyron or Kiara saying that although her texts said she missed both children, the mentions were few. The implication of the narrative was that Ms. Horman could not possibly care about either child…”
Except for the specific passage alleging Ms. Horman shared a confidential document with Mr. Cook, none of the other allegations had anything to do with the underlying motion. None of these claims addressed the issue of whether Ms. Horman violated the court order, nor do they indicate any involvement by Ms. Horman in Kyron’s disappearance.
Mr. Horman went on to claim that an unnamed member or members of law enforcement “informed” him that the sexualized text messages “resemble” text messages sent to the “the man Respondent [Ms. Horman] previously attempted to hire to murder Petitioner [Mr. Horman].” Mr. Horman claimed in the same July 1 2court papers that Ms. Horman had asked Mr. Cook to lie to her attorney about “the fact that she had gone to Mr. Cook’s home.”
One news outlet found Mr. Horman’s pleadings so lurid it titled the document “sleazy.pdf” before posting it to its website.
On October 25, 2010, Mr. Horman finally filed the aforementioned text messages with the court, as an exhibit attached to his response to Ms. Horman’s parenting time request. A review of these document reveals that Ms. Horman never asked Mr. Cook to lie, nor did she speak of Kyron and Kiara in dismissive tones. Although most of the texts showed varying degrees of sexual discussion, there were also several texts that had nothing to do with Ms. Horman’s romantic attachments. Ms. Horman discussed cooking, eating “nutterbutter bites,” weight lifting, and their respective children.
..”Ms. Horman told Mr. Cook, “I was really upset that Kaine has Kitty but doesn’t know what her favorite toy or blanket is.”
-Terri Horman
A parent who does not care about her daughter would not waste a single moment worrying about her child having her favorite toy or blanket. The allegation that Mr. Horman did not know such basic information about his daughter provides motive for Mr. Horman to attempt to discredit Ms. Horman’s words as insincere. Otherwise, Ms. Horman’s words are truthful and reflect her historical relationship as primary care giver to both children.
On July 28, 2010, Mr. Horman filed yet another motion demanding Ms. Horman reveal the source of funds used to pay her lawyer. It was as though Mr. Horman was asking how Ms. Horman could have ever come up with that kind of money, given her status as a social pariah?
The problem with Mr. Horman’s strategy of piecemeal litigation it does not serve the purpose of expediting litigation. Instead, it creates a lot of embarrassment and harassment for Ms. Horman.
Oregon is a no-fault divorce state. This means that either party can ask for a divorce without having to prove any wrongdoing. Oregon is also an “equitable distribution” state which means that the court divides property equitably between the parties. Issues like infidelity and rude behavior are not factors in whether a party is entitled to divorce, or in dividing up the parties assets.
Mr. Horman raises several issues about Ms. Horman’s alleged conduct citing them as as basis to award sole custody and care of Kiara. The allegations are such that it becomes difficult for Ms. Horman to leave any responses up to her lawyer, who would not have personal knowledge required to speak to the many issues he raises.
Ultimately, the court will consider the allegations made by each party, weigh the credibility and relevance of each claim as to parenting issues then enter a temporary order as to the care and custody of the child.
Mr. Horman claims in his October 25 filings that Ms. Horman has a five year history of alcohol impairment. In his statement to the court, Mr. Horman claimed that his wife “could have an un diagnosed personality disorder or some type of emotional disturbance.”
The most recent claims by Mr. Horman are contradicted by his prior assertions in media interviews, and the actual chronology of the Hormans’ relationship.
Mr. Horman met Ms. Horman in the spring of 2002. According to Mr. Horman, the couple moved in together in December 2002. The couple was living together when Ms. Horman was cited for DUI on July 10, 2005. Two years later, the couple moved to their home on NW Sheltered Nook Road in January 2007.
Despite the DUI, Mr. Horman nonetheless went on to marry Ms. Horman on April 15, 2007. Ms. Horman gave birth to Kiara on November 12, 2008.
In a prior interview with KGW, Mr. Horman called Ms. Horman “a good person when we first met and for several years (I’d say up until 2008). She was always about children (teaching) and helping them grow and develop. Her attitude was always about those types of things first, her own self not even being a priority close to that. I believe that this is the Terri that everyone else saw and got to know as I did. Honestly everyone, including myself, that knew her or knows her did not see this coming. She was not the type of person we are seeing right now.”
Mr. Horman told KGW that he was blindsided by Kyron’s disappearance: “There were some signs of emotional distress here and there over the past year and a half but not enough of that directed at any one person to conclude she would be capable of anything even remotely close to events of the severity we have all seen. She recently got her teaching license re-instated and has been applying for teaching positions so even the state of Oregon didn’t see this coming.”
The person described in Mr. Horman’s October 25 court papers is not someone who could be described as hidden danger. If believed, Mr. Horman’s most recent statement outline a terrifying picture of a five-year pattern of child abuse and endangerment. Mr. Horman could not possibly be telling the truth in both of his interview with KGW and in his more recent court papers.
Also in the October 25 filing, Mr. Horman claims that he has always been the primary care giver to both Kiara and Kyron and describes Ms. Horman as frequently absent from their home, apparently leaving him with both children.
In a July 28, 2010, Oregonian article, Mr. Horman claimed Kiara was a much different child now that Ms. Horman was gone. He claimed Kiara did not ask about her mom. “‘She’s a new kid,’ he said. ‘She’s whole new kid now.’”
In a separate article, Mr. Horman discussed Ms. Horman’s excessive involvement in Kyron’s schooling and adamant enforcement of discipline. “He [Mr. Horman] said when Kyron brought home anything but a green card [indicating good behavior at school] she [Ms. Horman] wanted Kaine to discipline him by grounding him to his room for the evening.”
Mr. Horman also asserts in his October 25 court papers that Ms. Horman would put Kiara in the gym day care for “hours at a time,” and further claimed that Ms. Horman “spent more time on the computer than caring for the children.” If Mr. Horman was home and providing primary care for the children, then how would Kiara have ended up in day care for “hours at at time”? How would the children have remained unattended while Ms. Horman was updating her Facebook page?
Mr. Horman’s other narrative seems to indicate that Mr. Horman was not present in the home during the day, leaving Ms. Horman to care for the children. It also contradicts Mr. Horman’s escalating accusations that Ms. Horman was absent from the home, uninvolved, and not involved with the care of Kyron and Kiara.
Mr. Horman also claims in his pleadings that Ms. Horman’s son James lived with them until Feb 5, 2010, when he moved because Ms. Horman “was unable to interact with James on a healthy level and had him move to her parents’ home in Roseburg.”
Mr. Horman also claimed he was unaware of any landscaper, a detail which contradicts his most recent work-from-home story: “No, I did not know we had a landscaper and have never met him.” If he was at home, surely he would have known about a landscaper.
On July 8, 2010, Mr. Horman told the Oregonian that Ms. Horman began having problems with postpartum depression in November 2008.
“‘I thought the marriage was doing pretty well,’ Kaine Horman said during a one-on-one interview with The Oregonian, ‘until we had our daughter, Kiara.’ Horman said he thought his marriage to Terri Moulton Horman fractured within six months after she gave birth in November 2008, the result of postpartum depression.Terri Horman was put on medication for the depression, and her doctor told Kaine to keep an eye on her to make sure she was OK, he said. But she wasn’t OK.
If Mr. Horman thought Ms. Horman was a chronic danger to her children and Mr. Horman’s son,why did he not mention it prior to October 25, 2010? Could it be that Mr. Horman’s entire series of pleadings are designed to push Ms. Horman with ever-increasing allegations to the point where she has no choice but to respond?
There are other clues that Mr. Horman’s latest version of events is not entirely accurate. According to more recent news stories, James is again living with his mother. Strange, considering Mr. Horman’s claims that James changed high schools mid-semester and moved hundreds of miles because of Ms. Horman’s behavior.
There are also hints concerning law enforcement’s interest in the Horman dissolution. A June 6, 2010, letter from Norm W. Frink, chief deputy district attorney for Multnomah County, rescinded his statement that un sealing the restraining order would undermine the “ongoing criminal investigation.” If Ms. Horman was the target of the investigation, what purpose would be served by sealing court documents that were to be served upon Ms. Horman? The only other person identified in the pleadings was an unnamed landscaper alleged to have been contacted by Ms. Horman.
As we now know, the landscaper was involved in what has been characterized as a botched sting operation against Ms. Horman. As such, the only person protected by the the seal was Ms. Horman to the extent that the seal prevented the allegations from being disseminated publicly. Or could it be that law enforcement was concerned about accuracy of the information provided by the landscaper?
Law enforcement conducted its sting operation over open channels that were accessible to anyone listening on police channels. Was this an oversight, or was it a convenient way to ensure the information was released “unintentionally”?
If there was any blame for promoting a bogus murder for hire plot, law enforcement could point to Ms. Horman as bringing upon her own misery. She chose to disclose the documents, and as a result, the information was disseminated because of her actions in violating a court order, not law enforcement’s efforts to run out a possible lead, even if later proven false.
We don’t know what role Michael Cook played in the disclosure of the now-public restraining order. The texts between he and Ms. Horman seems to indicate Mr. Cook was not so much interested in sexual banter as much as he was in gathering information for Mr. Horman
The roles of Mr. Cook and the landscaper are highly relevant to evidentiary issues. If the landscaper was a confidential informant, the information he reported that was used as basis for the restraining order could not then be considered an admission against interest. Same thing applies to Mr. Cook.
Mr. Cook in particular seems not to be acting out of concern for Kyron. Who the hell smirks at a vigil for a missing child?)
Reading Mr. Cook’s texts to Terri, there’s a tone that suggests that someone was sitting right next to him, telling him what to type. If true, the question becomes who is that someone guiding Mr. Cook’s actions?
The sexting is weird, but it is hardly ground breaking. The courts have heard such allegations many times before, and without a doubt, the court has seen far worse. That is not to see the court is going to like the texts. Rather, the judge here is going to look at the pleadings with a critical eye for issues that affect parenting time.
Mr. Horman does not offer any evidence that Ms. Horman ever sexted when she should have been parenting. To the contrary Ms. Horman’s lawyers can point to Mr. Horman’s other statements as evidence that Ms. Horman was the primary care giver for James, Kyron, and Kiara. Her extensive collection of family photographs on her Facebook page support this assertion.
Mr. Horman cannot credibly claim that Ms. Horman was a threat to the children, considering that he often left the kids in her care. Mr. Horman did not have any concerns about Ms. Horman’s sobriety and fitness to care for the children the morning Kryon disappeared from school, as he left Kiara in her care and allowed her to take Kyron to school.
If she was a drunk and mean spirited, would Mr. Horman have have allowed Ms. Horman to have access to Kyron’s school records, and to become involved in his discipline? Ms. Horman was a step parent to Kyron. She had no rights except to that which Mr. Horman granted in signed consent forms required by Kyron’s school.
The text messages are racy, but they do not indicate any homicidal tendencies or ill will toward anyone. Nothing in the texts is homicidal by any stretch.
Mr. Horman’s source for his allegations poses a huge problem here. He cites to “law enforcement” as telling him Ms. Horman tried to hire a hit-man, and as to other issues. Not one of these allegations is admissible under any exception to hearsay. The fact that Mr. Horman does not identify the source is a problem in itself. This information might as well be graffiti on the wall of the public bathroom at the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office.
Were Mr. Horman to say that he read an allegation on the a bathroom wall at the MCSO would at least give it some sort of context that would suggest credibility. Mr. Horman’s vague claim makes it impossible to identify which law enforcement office among thousands in the United States might have conveyed such information. Without further identification, the reader cannot tell if the “source” was in a position to have any such knowledge in the first place.
The hearsay allegations offered by Mr. Horman allege child abuse and domestic violence. Under the Confrontation Clause, Ms. Horman has a right to confront her accusers. Ms. Horman does not need to speak in order for her lawyers to cross examine the sources of these allegations.
“..Mr. Horman claims that judges believe there is sufficient information to implicate Ms. Horman in Kyron’s disappearance. This begs the question: How is it that Mr. Horman is getting this information?”
It seems likely that Mr. Horman is referring to search warrants, which require reliable information that the item sought can be found at that location. If Mr. Horman was in fact referring to search warrants, it would be very interesting to find out who provided the information for the searches and what exactly was law enforcement looking for?
If Mr. Horman was the informant, it raises questions as to motive because Mr. Horman wants custody of Kiara. If the landscaper was the affiant, his personal motive for revenge becomes an issue, if it true that Ms. Horman had law enforcement go to his house and expose his extramarital affair in front of his family.
What law enforcement was seeking matters. Ms. Horman’s specialty was in teaching children with learning disabilities. She would have had access to confidential psychological testing, mental health records, medical documents, and possibly, CPS records, none of which could be disclosed except by parent authorization, or pursuant to subpoena or search warrant. Even though she had not worked in that area for some time, she may still have had such records in her home or on her laptop.
If Ms. Horman had such documents or data on her laptop or among her personal papers, she could not turn it over except by subpoena. As such, the mere presence of a search warrant does not mean Ms. Horman is guilty of anything.
..”Mr. Horman’s threat to conduct extensive depositions seems a clear warning to Ms. Horman that he intends to call Ms. Horman’s friends to deposition, put them under oath, and ask them questions. Lots of questions. If Mr. Horman’s pleadings are any sort of a hint, he is not going to make people feel good about befriending Ms. Horman…”
Peter Bunch’s statements at the prior court hearing referencing a December 26 call to 9-1-1 also suggests that maybe something happened the day after Christmas 2009. The implication is that Mr. Bunch intends to discuss that December 26 9-1-1 call in more detail. Don’t expect Mr. Horman to like any of it.
Discovery procedures allow Mr. Horman to get at any information reasonably calculated to lead to discovery of admissible evidence. This does not mean the information specifically sought must be admissible, only that it could reasonably lead to evidence that would be admissible. By that definition, Mr, Horman could justify deposing a great many people in Ms. Horman’s life.
Peter Bunch’s statements at the prior court hearing referencing a December 26 call to 9-1-1 also suggests that maybe something happened the day after Christmas 2009.
Clearly, each of these people has reason to avoid going back to court.
The most confusing aspect of this case is the fact that the restraining order and dissolution were consolidated months ago. Ms. Horman’s attorney notes this in his July 12, 2010, letter to the court.
Given that there is an abatement order in place, how is it that Ms. Horman can go forward with her request for parenting time under the restraining order matter? You would think that Ms. Rackner would have noted this information to the court. But she didn’t. Yet another strange footnote in a even stranger case.
Law enforcement likes to push the weakest link. Ms. Horman seems to be that link. What information does law enforcement hope to gain? Who is law enforcement’s ultimate target?
..”If not Ms. Horman exclusively, or Ms. Horman in any capacity, then who exactly does law enforcement hope to catch by pushing Ms. Horman until she finally breaks?”
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What is going on with the Grand Jury? The media blackout ended Friday I believe…..
Are they still meeting?
Idahogal, I am on the west coast with you and yes, I think that is the problem with your posts. At night, I look at the clock, add three hours and figure out when Blink probably goes to bed, or at least stops moderating. If I don’t get stuff out by about 7pm our time, I figure it won’t go up ’til the morning. Since everything is on eastern time, it seems like some of us are up at 3 am posting, when if fact it is only midnight our time. Okay, maybe I have had a few real 3 am posts, but they show up at 6am, so it kind of evens out. Bottomline, we all get the information at the same time, even though our clocks are different.
I could be wrong, but I think Kiara has KH’s eyes.
S says:
October 31, 2010 at 3:32 pm
I really expected Bunch and Houze’s response to say a lot of dirty things about Kaine, but it’s possible they are holding off on the big guns until later.
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If they start reciprocal mudslinging, they open up the possibility of having to prove what they say. Which they cannot do, unless TMH is willing to take the stand. I believe that is why they focused on the “hearsay” nature of the evidence and the polygraph being inadmissable. To assert anything else, would require testimony. JMO.
@Idahogal: Re: Contradictions about the safety of going outdoors. Yanno, you make an excellent point. Not only is she saying its unsafe and then sneaking off to meet MC, but does anyone else remember DDS saying that they would go outdoors to talk because the house was bugged? Must not have been too dangerous after all.
In my timeline I forgot to insert the supposed death threats that Houze mentioned in the media. Anyone have a date on that? I wonder where that whole thing fits into the timeline.
I hope Kyron is found soon.
(Oh and thanks to whomever it was, I forget, who brought over the timeline I assembled on the other article.)
Jackie Bauer
says:
” TH is too delicate to work…”
Okay, I promised myself I was not going to comment on this post at all, but then I read the above, and immediately I thought “Hell, she can bench press 190 and arm wrestle a man to the ground, she could work as a bouncer!”.
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And if there’s a market for getting golf balls out of a hose, she’d be hired as the expert! LOL!!
@idahogal: yes, same thing usually happens to me–but not always. So you’ll probably be reading this tomorrow, unless you have moved on
. And actually, I never think you are behind, and I believe others here would agree with me. Love your posts!
23.Ginag says:
October 31, 2010 at 2:55 pm
“With all the scrutiny on SM I think it is only fair to see if the other parents involved can also withstand this kind of public scrutiny. Still wonder if KH was hiding something by shutting down access at Intel. I have the impression that SM did not completely fail her polygraph but failed the lifestyle portion.”
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Under these horrific circumstances, I don’t know what is fair anymore. I just want Kyron home. In my opinion, if KH, DY and TY are not suspected by LE to have any involvement in the abduction/possible murder of this dear child, they do not deserve to have the intimate details of their lives laid bare for the public to feed on. Let them be. This horrific crime has caused them–through no fault of their own–to lose not only their beloved son, but so much of their privacy. I cannot begin to even fathom one minute of the pain they are experiencing.
That being said, since KH is trying to protect his minor daughter from someone who clearly remains under the umbrella of suspicion, he should expect that her attorneys will delve deeply into his life. Child custody/visitation fights can be very nasty, even when the case is not as complicated as this. I hope he has a really good support system in place in the days to come.
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Prayers for Kyron on Halloween, one of his favorite days of the year, and always. This little boy who loved carving pumpkins is deeply loved and missed beyond all measure. We should not forget that HE is why we are all here.
@23.Wordweaver says:
October 31, 2010 at 10:24 am
“There has been speculation that Terri was “being watched” prior to Kyron’s disappearance — and maybe that has something to do with the 911 episode after her visit to Rudi’s house in May — but the statements about parallel criminal investigations are not particularly earth-shaking and we already know of two matters in which she is implicated — if only by the court of public opinion.”
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I guess I’m missing something here; Terri showed up at RS’s house in May 2010???? What was the reason..the MFH sting was in June. Please fill me in..thanks!!
Consider this: Kaine Horman failed to mention in his June 28, 2010, restraining order application that he wanted his wife out of the house and, as a result, on July 1, 2010, filed an amended petition for restraints and asked for an expedited hearing.
“..This omission is an odd oversight, considering that Mr. Horman filed for divorce, took the parties’ child, but failed to ask for the house. Possession of the family home is such a basic issue it would seem impossible for a family law attorney to forget to mention it in a party’s opening paper…”
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Well, I did that many years ago. I was so relieved to leave with the kids that it didn’t occur to me to want to stay in the house where we were all unhappy, and I didn’t have an attorney yet to tell me it would look like I didn’t need the house unless I asked to live there.
However, in this case, I don’t think it’s odd at all. Even though the MFH incident was supposedly months before, he had no way of knowing that TH didn’t have a current deal with someone else to do the job. Who would want to stay there and possibly be a target until they found out what was going on – even with a child, or especially with a child? He wasn’t in danger of losing the house permanently, of course, but even if he were, life is more important. I would be shocked and worried and would simply want to do first things first and worry later about what is commonly done.
Idahogal says:
October 31, 2010 at 11:50 am
Question: Since I’m out here on the West coast I am behind many of you by 1 to 3 hours…is this why many of my posts sit in moderation for hours? It seems that I am usually a day late and a dollar short by the time my posts make it to the thread, because everyone has already moved on. I’ve seen posts at 2 or 3 am, and I wonder if I need to be here at 2 or 3 am PST to be in synch with everyone. I try to read everything before I make a comment, and then when I do it just sits in moderation for hours. It’s frustrating, just wondering if I am doing something wrong or if I can do something different? Do any other PST posters experience the same issue? TIA.
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Hey West Coast friend – I notice there are blocks of time when there are no posts added, and I know Blink said only 20 could be posted at a time – but I actually thought the time had more to do with when Blink cooks dinner, sleeps, wakes up in the morning, has family outings, etc. If I don’t see anything for awhile, I just say goodnight Blink and check again in the morning. She’s usually up before I am. But MOO – only Blink knows for sure.
Shelly says:
October 31, 2010 at 11:08 am
Made two posts earlier, I saw them waiting in moderation and now I don’t see them at all. So, I am gonna re-send
1) The only reason I can think of TH having ANY childs/childrens records, is she could be an ADVOCATE. Why else would pertinent information protected by the school/county/state leave the school?
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Even an advocate has to follow the same rules and limitations about records. I would be surprised if someone in early elementary school asked TH to advocate for their child although if she understood the paperwork for Special Ed, she may have helped another parent understand the forms. However, a parent can invite anyone they want to an IEP meeting if they feel it would be beneficial, but for someone not in an authorized position to end up with confidential records in any form (including copies) would be troublesome, IMO. Even if by some huge stretch of the imagination there was some legitimate reason to have a copy of a child’s records, those copies should be destroyed or deleted when that purpose was completed – identifying information should have been removed and no copies (paper or computer) should be in a place off campus and unprotected.
I can, however, think of another possible reason for wanting student records – not saying it happened. School records, especially for students with disabilities or students who are being screened for disabilities, are full of information – sometimes information that should have been separated into another file (such as the Special Ed file) was copied into the regular file, or a report that refers to something in a different file may still provide some information not usually seen.
As a counselor, I read, contributed to, guarded, and interpreted school records for years for students, parents, non-custodial parents, teachers, attorneys, doctors, probation officers, court, etc. Although elementary school files are much smaller than the files that exist by high school age, you may still find (correctly filed or not) some with information or solid hints about family history, abuse, divorce, custody, medical disabilities, family religious preferences, allergies, who the child’s doctor is, the existence of a DHS file and name of the caseworker, whether the child qualifies for free lunch, names of siblings, previous address, and more. Teachers may also keep working files to prepare for conferences, testing, etc.
Obviously, not all of this would be in the same child’s file, but if you were to volunteer to help organize and file the folders and contents, for example, or happened to be alone for periods of time in any area where working files were kept on paper or computer, and you were considered a trusted person, you could manage to find out any number of things. It’s entirely possible that someone might find knowing these things or having copies of this information useful in their dealings with people (soap opera style), or somewhat ego-building just to secretly know, or could pass information along to someone else who would use that knowledge for some other purpose. If a person had difficult respecting boundaries, it could be construed as helping in some way.
Confidentiality is supposed to protect children and families. I have seen it strictly adhered to, but not always, just like some people lock their car doors every time they leave the car and some rarely lock the car at all.
More about records if you want: There are federal, state, and district rules about records and the confidentiality of student information. Here’s a link to Oregon’s rules – start with 581-021-0220. OK – no link, apparently the website doesn’t like it. So you can Google OAR 581-021-0220 and you should get the Oregon rules for school records.
Normally, for PPS, records are supposed to be kept in a specified area in locked files monitored by a secretary or assigned staff member, or password protected – for example, on the school psychologist’s laptop reports or the IEP manager’s computer. Everyone who looks at records for any child is supposed to be noted (name, date, time), and if records are removed, even to a meeting in the building, they should be checked out and in again. Behavioral records, test results, Special Education IEP’s, and school nurse records may have different procedures from the way academic records are handled. For example, an IQ test will need a testing professional available to explain how the testing was done and what the results mean (this is normally done at a meeting with the parent), while a regular
report card will be mailed home or given out in a teacher conference.
I strongly recommend that a parent review their child’s record every year just to see what’s in it and ask to have removed or separated anything that doesn’t belong, and ask to have anything you don’t understand explained to you by a professional who does understand – especially beginning by the middle school or Junior high school years. Be respectful of staff time, but insist on getting it done.
MOPO (my own professional opinion)
Skyline parents says: October 30, 2010 at 9:00 pm
“Why on earth would we assume that a woman who had NEVER had a full time teaching position and hadn’t even subbed for at least 2 years would have these kinds of records? I call BS on this one.”
Nancy says: October 31, 2010 at 11:56 am
“You are absolutely correct on this one Skyline Parent. I have taught for over three decades at a Portland/Metro school district. Even the regular teachers are not provided a copy of a student’s Individual Education Plan (IEP). The Special Education staff provides teachers only the page that lists required classroom accommodations for each special-ed student. And even that page is ‘confidential’; by law, we cannot share it.”
I am only going by what Terri Horman has on her online resume.
As I said before, I don’t know what records Ms. Horman has on her laptop. I only raised the issue of student records as an example of why an innocent person would not turn over a computer except by subpoena or search warrant.
http://www.linkedin.com/in/terrihorman
>Terri Horman’s Summary
>I am seeking employment with elementary level grades, but while searching, I currently volunteer
>my reading specialist skills at Skyline Elementary in the Portland Public School System.
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>A certified teacher since 2000, I have taught “typicals” through college level, ADD, ADHD, ODD,
>OSC, YSC, Prader Willy, Down Syndrome and Medically Fragile.
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>I recently took some World Literature classes through Portland State University and renewed my certification.
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>Terri Horman’s Specialties:
>Reading Specialist
>Special Education OSC & YSC
To Idahogal re: your post 10-31 at 1:00 pm. Excellent post. I feel EXACTLY as you do. I don’t give a damn about TH either. Just want the truth. I too have cried for Kyron all summer, still am. I have pictured scenarios in my head regarding what he could have possibly endured and it is all too horrifying, sad, have to get it out of my head. I know that everyone probably gets tired of reading that I’m pryaing for Kyron but honestly I do. I pray for him daily. To Kat: I’m sure Kaine wants to throw a hell of alot more than spaghetti at the wall. I don’t know how he can function on a daily basis. But he needs to keep his emotions in check, if that’s possible. For the sake of Kyron and getting the truth. Love to Kyron.
Can I get that link?
B
Is it possible that LE really, really wants to get “dirt” on both TH and KH — even just their base rage and accusations against each other in a nasty child custody case — in order to see if something gets “spilled” in the comments that fly between the two of them?
KH trashes TH! TH retorts and trashes KH!
New information in there somewhere for LE…even if just one statement that makes LE go “see! see! go with that, that’s what we needed!”
Not evidence, but more like a lead they desperately need and can only get if KH and TH rip each other’s characters to shreds.
Who else is more prone to slipping up on words and information than two very, very angry estranged spouses? It seems that what Kyron’s case needs – a slip up. Angry people slip up.
¿Es necesario un abrigo pesado en invierno en Portland?
(Have I got that close to correct??)
It could be that the person who gave KH the sexts was MC.
Remember that TH called LE on her ex regarding child support. Using LE as a way of threatening others was in her MO. That could have been why she called 911 on RS (if she indeed did — we only have her word). It could have been her way of threatening him. Help me out or I will expose you.
Skyline parent — I figured out your typo. But why leave us hanging like that? More, more, more….. Please!
Aren’t we still unclear about the middle name/initial olf the Ubaldo Sanchez with familial connections to Rudy?
Database searches on both peoplefinders and veromi show a Ubaldo R Sanchez in Oregon City, OR, with possible relatives:
Estrada, Rodolfo S
Sanchez, Rodolfo
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However, the Ubaldo Sanchez we’ve found in Woodburn and Canby, with relative of Maria Guadalupe Sanchez, does NOT show Rudy as poss. relative. And his middle initial is ‘F’. Has anyone been researching any of these possible aliases for Maria’s Ubaldo(from peoplefinders.com):
Ubaldo F Sanchez
(Age 49)
Associated Names:
Ubaldo Sanchez Fern
Albaldo Sanchez
Fernandez B Sanchez
Obaldo Sanchez
Uvaldo Sanchez
Vbaldo Sanchez
Fernandez U Sanchez
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I found a cached police record on a Ubaldo R Sanchez from 2007, but that was across the state in Ontario, OR. Giving alcohol to a minor; police assisted his spouse on a call for help:
200705627 7/7/2007 22:09 67 SW 5TH ST Ontario
Assist Public
Press Remarks:
OFFICER ASSISTED PARENT WITH JUVENILE ISSUE. UBALDO RAMIREZ SANCHEZ WAS TAKEN
INTO CUSTODY FOR FURNISHING ALCOHOL TO A MINOR.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:-am8uDkyuLQJ:ontariooregon.org/document/police_blotter/2007-07-07.htm+mugshot+Ubaldo+Sanchez+in+oregon&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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@enumclawrose: Gotcha. I thought that’s how you were thinking about the circuitous connection.
@MockingbirdSings says:
November 1, 2010 at 1:18 am
Consider this: Kaine Horman failed to mention in his June 28, 2010, restraining order application that he wanted his wife out of the house and, as a result, on July 1, 2010, filed an amended petition for restraints and asked for an expedited hearing.
“..This omission is an odd oversight, considering that Mr. Horman filed for divorce, took the parties’ child, but failed to ask for the house. Possession of the family home is such a basic issue it would seem impossible for a family law attorney to forget to mention it in a party’s opening paper…”
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How about this…LE asked him to leave. They already had the house wired, bugged, under serveillance. I think LE wanted this to happen to see what would happen. I think her family and friends coming in were exactly what they were hoping for. I think LE wanted to capture the whispered conversations and give TH the rope she needed to hang herself…MOO.
ONE question I’m not sure has be answered with assurance…
How did MC/phone/texts/sexts and LE meet up? Was MC asked to cooperate and if so, before or after the fact? The MSM reporting on MC and the Sext-Scandal would lead us to believe they were caught doing this by LE with MC having no knowledge or participation in any type of setup or sting. Would love to know for sure how this came about.
Prayers for Kyron and his family.
@idahogal: gosh, I’m just not sure that LE could provide 24 hour protection for TH, Kitty, and maybe James–wherever he was living at the time. That’s one reason that I wouldn’t tell. Also, that’s not the job of LE, unless they take all those folks into protective custody.
Remember the movie Crocodile Dundee, where FBI (IIRC) was in the woman reporter’s apartment, providing protective custody, when the bad guys started shooting through the door and bullets were flying? And Crocodile Dundee said something like “I know I can protect her”? And took her off to the outback in Australia? Oh, a favorite movie of mine; trying to lighten your mood if you liked it too.
Anywhoo, something similar could’ve been in TH’s mind. Guys so scarey as those. Plus, TH would’ve had to convince LE about the bad guys first–before protection would be available. If at all. Funding is down all around for all LE agencies, at all levels of govt.
I know you’re beyond frustrated; me too.
Thanks, that is legal.
B
@panda, Nov 1, 11:22 am: OK, I’ll play. You thought that Skyline parent intentionally mistyped what? “Every single solitairy parent and child…” (has been interviewed by LE)?
So, what is the clue here–the word ‘solitaire’ at play? How so?
@ 14.loreli48, November 1, 2010 at 8:13 am, “I know that everyone probably gets tired of reading that I’m pryaing for Kyron but honestly I do.”
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Loreli… NEVER EVER for one second think that people get tired of reading that you are praying for Kyron. Your feelings – trust me – are shared and mirrored by many others. I may not post all of the time, but my sadness, and anger, and grief for Kyron are very very real… just like you. If anything, I find some comfort in knowing that somebody out there feels just as I do. I cannot believe sometimes when I read your posts, or Idahogals, or Granceinthehills, how in sync my thoughts/feelings are with yours.
Everyday that passes is another sad day to know that this little guy did not make it home yet.
I, too, pray for Kyron everyday. I still keep hope alive for him… always.
God be with you, Kyron. You are in the hearts of many, always.
panda says:
November 1, 2010 at 11:22 am
skyline parent says:
October 31, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Ack – sorry for typing on my cell – that doesn’t make ANY sense. Here is what I meant to say:
Zeus – although no one predicted that kyron would disappear into thin air or (to my knowledge) saw anything that would justify a call to child services, let’s just say that none of us that knew her would have nominated her for mother of the year and leave it at that.
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LOL Panda – I was thinking the same thing as I read Skylines post.
Skyline, you’ve been such a great local resource for us and I really look forward to your posts. I understand if you can’t comment further, but man, your last post got me going! Inquiring minds want to know……..
I know, as was my reply?
B
From reading this post it seems to dog Kaine Hormon. Now there are some valid points above, however, if my child were missing, and I had just cause to blame someone for him missing, all claws would be out period. I would go after them in every way, shape, or form. I am suprised that no other altercations have taken place with TH. Weather it be between her and Kaine, or her and Desiree. I do believe that the “sexting” messages DO prove a point, that point being that TH was NOT worried about Kyron, or Kiara just days after Kaine left her and took the baby with him. She was more worried about her sex life, and “getting some”, and when she would get it again. And she DID tell MC not to tell her Lawyer that she was at his home, atleast that is what I got from the text she sent him.
Anyway I guess my point is, I do not hold any of this against Kaine. I say bring it ALL out, do what you have to do, and what you CAN do, and at the end of this, you can say that you did everything you could to get the pertainant information out of the last person to see your little boy. I can only imagine the hell he is going through, the guilt he feels for marrying TH, and bringing her into Kyron’s life. I would not want her to have time with the baby either. Not just for punishment for not talking about Kyron, but for fear for my only child I had left. His tactics dont have to make sense to us. But he does have to tell himself at the end of this that he did everything he could to find his little boy.
Also, I do agree that MC was not near as vocal as TH in the Sexting scandel. All he really said was Hmmm, and I really like you.
Blink, If I read this article wrong I apologize, this is how I interpreted it.
I went back and read the comments and I understand the use of this article now. Like I said in my last post, there are some valid points made above. I hope Kaine has everything he needs and uses all he can to keep his baby safe, and to find Kyron. Praying for the family.
I don’t believe LE provided Kaine with the texts between MC and Terri, I believe Kaine provided LE with them. They are an appropriate issue to provide to the court related to visitation with Kiara. As others have stated, they show a lack of concern for the welfare of her children having been done within weeks of Kyron gone missing and days of Kiara being taken from her.
While the polygraphs may not hold up in a criminal case (though I believe they would and should be considered in small part) the fact that she failed two and walked out on one shows her failure to do anything possible to help locate her missing child, which also reflects her lack of concern for the welfare of her children.
43.puzzled says:
October 31, 2010 at 6:33 pm
Puzzled, will you please elaborate on the calls to 911 from the neighborhood prior to the dissapearance of Kyron?
Houze and Bunch respond:
“There are ongoing criminal investigations that are focused on mother and that raise serious impediments to mother’s ability to assert her custodial and parenting rights. Because of the possible jeopardy mother faces she is not in a position at this time to testify on her own behalf in support of a request for parenting time.”
“… not withstanding the fact that even parents who are incarcerated get to see their children.”
This is incredible. Houze is certainly entertaining the idea that Terri will be arrested under criminal charges. He is putting the onus of Terri’s choice not to provide information to the courts on Kaine and his attorney, in error IMO. Terri is clearly witholding information related to finding a missing child and her attorney knows that by talking she will be arrested. In addition he is suggesting that the courts allow her to withold said information and yet be given visitation with a baby.
That aside, what is in Kiara’s best interest? Do we have enough information to know? Considering the transitional phase of criminal court with trial, verdict, and fulfilling the sentencing, extremely limited visitation professionaly supervised will likely be given by the court unless or until Terri is proven to be a risk to her daughter.
The court will not be patient with Terri forever but judges and investigators probably have a timeline established of when to expect Terri/Houze to start talking and psych tests conducted.
That said, Houze’s assessment that public opinion is affected by the texts is total BS. Terri has done that to herself through her very own actions from day one up until this moment. A child is missing and the public has no idea what kind of threat lies in their community. She knows and won’t reveal that information. Public opinion is of her own doing.
@ beejay says:
November 1, 2010 at 11:13 am
“¿Es necesario un abrigo pesado en invierno en Portland?
(Have I got that close to correct??)”
beejay, si, que bueno! Y la respuesta es “No, no es necesario casi todos los días.”
@Jden says:
October 31, 2010 at 6:29 pm
“I missed something here… apologies. Is “nameless” a poster on this site and if so how can I go to the posts to read? Thank you!”
I don’t know how much detail you’ve picked up over the course of the case. The person now known as “nameless” is the man w/initials JW who is the ex boyfriend of Dede Spiecher. I don’t know why we’re kowtowing to calling him “nameless” now other than he threw a hissy fit and threatening letters to several website & blog owners, long after his flame had burned low and maybe we’re just collectively being careful right now.. I accept that this link might not be popular here but here’s one place to get an idea: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117327
@44.skyline parent says:
October 31, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Ack – sorry for typing on my cell – that doesn’t make ANY sense. Here is what I meant to say:
Zeus – although no one predicted that kyron would disappear into thin air or (to my knowledge) saw anything that would justsify a call to child services, let’s just say that none of us that knew her would have nominated her for mother of the year and leave it at that.
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I also look foward to reading your comments Skyline Parent. I bet it is hard sitting on your hands and watching things that are posted on FB in regards to Mother of the Year.
Bottomline – Kyron is still missing and now we are headed into the holiday season and his dad and biological mother still are missing their son. As somoene not associated with the case, I know exactly where I was on the morning of June 4th – ie on Hwy 26 going to Seaside and remember my timeline from that day. And you can bet if my child was missing, I would take 100 lie detector tests, I would walk through hot coals, I would do anything that was needed to get him back to me as a mother. There isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t think about Kyron. It also reminds me to give my 7 year old an extra specail hug and appreciate him even more.
@beejay says:
November 1, 2010 at 11:13 am
Only if you plan on going up to the mountains…
@Beejay,
I came across this, but am literally beating my head against the desk trying to find names. (bang, bang) ouch.
Here is what i have so far, will keep searching for names for skyline in particular.
The Facilities Maintenance Department is responsible for the maintenance, repair and safe operation of PPS facilities. The Maintenance Department oversees approximately nine million square feet of building space in approximately 100 sites throughout Portland. We provide expertise in every aspect of building management and maintenance for all schools and buildings. The skilled trades mechanics’ first priority is fire, life, and safety. Maintenance directs most of our licensed electronics technicians and one plumber to inspect and upgrade fire systems to meet code requirements.
In order to maintain and operate these buildings, maintenance employs 83 workers that includes two carpenters, nine electricians, 14 electronics technicians, three glaziers, two full time grounds keepers and five seasonal workers, two hardware technicians, two full time laborers and one seasonal, four machinists, one music instrument repairman,
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/departments/facilities/2751.htm
Lea – so after everything that has happened in the last five months you are taking what terri posts on linked in at face value? For serious?
Okay, I keep trying to be respectful and realize that I come off as mysterious. Not my intent. So I will tell you that I never saw terri mistreat kyron. However I also never saw her hug or praise him either. She just wasn’t very warm. And she had a tendency to stretch the truth. In all fairness, none of that makes her guilty. But it’s been my observation that the only people coming out and saying she wasn’t capable of harming a child haven’t interacted with her in years. Moo
@madilu and @evie:
Oh, happy day! I communicated somewhat ok. So, a raincoat and on some days a sweater underneath it, I’m thinking.
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@ Kimberly says:
November 1, 2010 at 4:00 pm
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Oh, no. If I understood you correctly, all of those 83 people might be sent to Skyline to do repairwork? And, could, of course, become familiar with the building and make themselves familiar to the staff. And so on.
It’s too big a task for me to pursue, but thanks for making us aware of just how many unknowns are out there. Now I’m really hoping Blink has knowledge that the Ky grabber was one of RS and his associates.
evie says:
November 1, 2010 at 3:08 pm
Disturbing, to say the least. Would be interesting to see this letter analyzed. Thank you, Evie for posting. I believe I’m all caught up now.
“Terri Horman: Kaine trying to destroy mother-child relationship”
http://www.kgw.com/news/Terri-Horman-Kaine-kyron-horman-missing-portland-106472338.html
So where are we at, folks? LE was focused on TH and had to change course, TH isn’t talking, RS is in hiding/protection maybe, Elsy and the kids are still missing, and no Kyron. We are hard pressed to take it futher with the limited info. we have, so any ideas?
If anyone has access to TH or DS cache of FB info. that would be great. If anyone else has something more now would be a good time to share, TIA.
FWIW, I don’t have any secret info. on nameless, just not poking a stick at an angry bear right now.
@beejay- I think the FBI would be more than capable of offering protection, since they are still involved. Considering that and the other agencies on this, the idea that there are “bigger fish to fry”, I don’t give her fear as an excuse. If someone that “bad” thinks she might rat them out, they are not going to trust her to zip it and have had ample time to get her. Further, if this were the case, then she has put her parents and her son in danger…I don’t see it. IMO she is protecting her own skanky butt.
Kyron, we love you, we’re trying. XXOO, little buddy.
@Jden says:
November 1, 2010 at 5:19 pm
“Disturbing, to say the least. Would be interesting to see this letter analyzed. Thank you, Evie for posting. I believe I’m all caught up now.”
It’s very worth scrolling back to the Blinksters’ comments from about when that post went up on WS; there is interesting commentary about that thread.
@beejay: Raincoat, si man. Sweater? In January. Remember: layers, and Oregonians don’t ‘do’ umbrellas. : )
83 names… oy.
“I bet it is hard sitting on your hands and watching things that are posted on FB in regards to Mother of the Year.”
I stay far, far away. That’s why I read here. I may not agree with everything said, but people here are pretty respectful.
Blink, Would you be able to tell me if Gary R McLean, John A Anderson and/or Terence J Yamada have any relation to this case or the people involved? I am trying not to just throw names around, but these keep popping up for me in searches, business and UCC. Anderson and Yamada being attorneys, I understand if they are registered agents for their clients and one of their clients is McLean. Anderson deals with transportation (import/export) issues. McLean is based in WA with ties to some OR businesses. TIA if you can.
I am familiar with all of these individuals.
Until we can draw a nexus to Kyron’s disappearance, if if fact there was any, it would be my preference we don’t throw names around.
B
skyline parent says:
October 31, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Ack – sorry for typing on my cell – that doesn’t make ANY sense. Here is what I meant to say:
Zeus – although no one predicted that Kyron would disappear into thin air or (to my knowledge) saw anything that would justify a call to child services, let’s just say that none of us that knew her would have nominated her for mother of the year and leave it at that.
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Thanks for the answer Skyline Parent, I appreciate it! It’s pretty much what I thought you would say. I didn’t figure she had made many BFF out of the other parents, but was really curious how others perceived her.
35.Skyline parent says:
November 1, 2010 at 4:58 pm
Lea – so after everything that has happened in the last five months you are taking what terri posts on linked in at face value? For serious?
…So I will tell you that I never saw terri mistreat kyron. However I also never saw her hug or praise him either. She just wasn’t very warm. And she had a tendency to stretch the truth. In all fairness, none of that makes her guilty. But it’s been my observation that the only people coming out and saying she wasn’t capable of harming a child haven’t interacted with her in years. Moo
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Skyline, I keep thinking of that audio interview in which KH and DY talk about TMH’s propensity for lying. It sounds like this aspect of her personality was pretty obvious to others as well.
I suspected all along that she was not particularly warm and loving with Kyron, especially after Kiara came along. I recall KH describing how strict and inflexible she was with her discipline of Kyron when he got less than stellar conduct reports from school. Thinking about this just breaks my heart.
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Skyline parent says:
November 1, 2010 at 4:58 pm
…… So I will tell you that I never saw terri mistreat kyron. However I also never saw her hug or praise him either. She just wasn’t very warm. And she had a tendency to stretch the truth. In all fairness, none of that makes her guilty. But it’s been my observation that the only people coming out and saying she wasn’t capable of harming a child haven’t interacted with her in years. Moo
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So she was affectionate towards Kiara, but not Kyron? That’s really sad. It must be hard to be raised by someone who doesn’t show love towards you. I imagine Kyron spent a lot of time trying to do anything he could to earn TH’s love and praise.
@skyline—pffft, you got that right. TH’s linkedin site says she attended college for 2 years from 1998-2000 and became a certified teacher in 2000. Not gonna happen. Especially with a special education AND reading specialist endorsement. And what is OSC and YSC? I googled both and I got a list of TH information–I guess because of her linkedin page. I thought that was funny. And teaching ‘typicals’ with ADD, ODD, ADHD, Down’s Syndrome, ETC just means she substituted in regular and/or special education rooms. Big whoop. Wonder if she was ever even interviewed for a full-time position. And if she attended college before 1998, why didn’t she list that? She listed her high school and 2 years of college. I don’t get it.
Skyline Parent,
In your own experience, how did Terri stretch the truth?
I would just like an example — general if you have to be. I would just like some type of reference.
PART #1
Had some “random” thoughts/ questions~
We know that TMH asked for KH’s truck on 06/04 so she could p/u the SF project.
We know the SF project p/u was so it could be taken w/ Kyron to Springfield Friday evening so DY could see it when she picked him up. (per DY interview that I do not have @ my fingertips @ this time, anyone ?)
We know it was NOT p/u & is now evidence in the DA/LE case.
By that knowledge, we know some time BEFORE the school bus arrival (06/04) TMH had PRIOR KNOWLEDGE that Kyron had been abducted/kidnapped.
IMOO Hence no pick up of SF project as there would be no “exchange” w/ Desiree in Springfield & this maybe is WHY the SF project is evidence now, beyond possible fingerprints, this piece of evidence shows prior “knowledge” by TMH of Kyron’s disappearance since it remained @ school.
We know TMH had “some panic” during the morning w/ all the “pinging” on her cell phone.
I disagree with the legal commentary. (I’m a 30 year lawyer and former Judge) Here’s an example: You write that TH did not ask Michael Cook to lie. She did. MC responds that he wishes TH didn’t because he won’t & TH apologizes. Another example: You write that TH can’t be a social butterfly at the gym and a raging alcoholic at home. It is very common for functioning alcoholics to put on one face during the day & then go home, get blotto and nasty & do all the things TH is accused of. You write if KH worked at home as he claims he must have known there was a landscaper. Not so. Sneaky people are, well, sneaky. This is a custody motion. KH’s declaration is no different than any of the thousands of such declarations I have seen over the years. As with any such motion, the point of the declaration is to get TH to respond to his allegations herself based on personal knowledge as her attorney cannot testify for her. He can try but it’s not evidence of anything. The second point of the declaration is to notify the judge that there is enough out there that a psych eval is warranted. That’s also very typical. I could go on and on but you get my point.
CONTINUE PART #2
We have “strange” white truck idling sightings by JK @ 3pm (06/04) & 2am (06/05).
-BUT-
We also have white truck sighting on 06/04 morning w/red-haired female on Hwy 30/St Helens Rd past NW Logie Trail Rd. What is that all about ?
We now have KH reporting of more TMH alcohol abuse.
So could some of TMH driving involve drinking?
Major roads that feed into Hwy 30/St Helens: NW Logie Trail Rd, NW Cornelius Rd, & NW McNamee & just East of those Roads, the Bottoms Up Tavern @ 16900 NW St Helens Rd., Portland
Now in the FB photos, isn’t there photos of TMH &/or KH in a bar ? Isn’t some post or caption about “Bottoms up” ? (Do not have FB, anyone ?) There also is a Glen Anderson FB photo w/Kaine.(Is he a manager -or- something @ Bottoms Up ?)
So, could TMH been somewhere drinking -or- ? Could someone from “the drinking” places be her connection/vampire to RS &/or SI -or- money gotten for Houze from -or- ?