Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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@Idahogal
I just thought maybe Kyron would be home for
The Holidays
I have always believed he was alive and stashed
Somewhere
So I feel depressed
But I will be here
Maybe after the devorce I just don’t feel he is
Gone
Well I never saw that pic of Terri before and
She does look PG
The timeing is sure bad for a new baby
So I hope she is not
But it would explain slot
That Dr appointment could have been for
her do you suppose?
Amy’s Sister wrote “… ~~Terri took the photos of Kyron at the science fair with the two unknown people in the background (one of which resembles Neilsen, the blog writer
). …”
OMG that was my first impression when I opened the blog.
I wonder if that Dr appointment was for Terri
Instead of Kyron
This new phone is making it hard to post so it looks
Like I am repeating myself
Sorry
Mockingbirdsings, Here is my take on the visitation. Driving children 2-3 hours one way, meaning 6 hours total on and Friday and a Sunday, takes a HUGE chunk out of the weekend. The custodial parent usually dreads these trips as they are not really getting anything out of it and it is a huge inconvenience.
Prior to TH’s child moving out of the house, it was stated that they all met at a restaurant at the half way point and then for that weekend, the Horman house would only have Kiara, leaving either TH or KH to return to the restaurant on Sunday to pickup the boys. I even remember reading that DY’s son would be present at her house when Ky was there, so those weekends were coordinated. I think the parents would do that so the brothers could bond.
When TH’s son moved out of the house, this would have all changed, but how? If someone wanted to save on gas and time, the choice would be to drop off one child and pick up the other. Looking at the school calendar, June 4th is the second to the last Friday of the school year. DReader states that TH’s son was out of school and as we know on a scout trip.
Why would it be planned to take Ky to see his mother just before summer break when TH’s son was not available to be picked up, especially if Ky was planning to spend the first half of the summer fishing with TY? I have also heard that the Horman family was to have Ky the first half of the break and he and KH were going to CA. If that is true, it makes a little more sense why Ky was visiting DY that weekend, but what about TH’s son that didn’t get back from scouting until the next day?
What I am trying to say is that three boys with shared custody in three different homes with weekend visitation is a highly orchestrated event given the distance of travel and the people involved. I have never really been able to get a handle on how things were supposed to work that weekend or for the summer break. I thought DReader might have some insight. From your comment, it sounds like you think Ky was going down the weekend of the the 4th and then returning when school let out. Do I have that right?
34.MockingbirdSings says:
January 2, 2011 at 11:55 am
enumclawrose says:
December 31, 2010 at 1:11 am
DReader, I have asked this very question on different threads of this blog. I agree. What do you think it means?
16.DReader says:
December 30, 2010 at 9:50 pm
snip> They used to do a trade off. The sheltered Nook would either have two boys there, or none. Why was this weekend different. Why would this be opposite?
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I thought it was probably because he was going to spend more weekend time with Tony to go fishing and Tony’s work schedule/on call/etc. is probably difficult to adjust. Since everybody involved seemed to work together to keep the visitations going, I assumed they were accommodating a change and not forcing the other visiting children to change what they usually do. Summer schedules were different so it isn’t like they were making a change that would have to continue on.
Bleach stains: did someone relaunder Ky’s clothes to eliminate evidence?
No media coverage: Either no news is good news ( LE is making gains in evidence) or we are watching heat evaporation on a cold case.
TMH didn’t like the spotlight: Nevermind. That one was obvious.
TMH was paid for a book deal?: Maybe if she has a worthwhile story to tell. Rights to a movie?: Are they getting someone from Jersey Shore to play her part and DDS’?!
All MOO
Am praying for a resolution to this nightmare.
Is it so far out to believe Kyron is Alive when
The parents act like he is watching TV
Someplace? ESP Kaine
http://www.faceintel.com/
Check out this website. Apparently Intel is not well loved by its employees. Especially read the comments archives. Wonder if KH is high enough at Intel to warrant people being this mad at him?
37.cd says:
December 31, 2010 at 1:19 am
jan says:
December 30, 2010 at 10:54 pm
Blink surmises that Ky is no longer with us; could it be because they did indeed find Ky’s real clothing along with his real glasses?**********************************************
47.Jden says:
December 31, 2010 at 11:08 am
On Jun 16th, LE released a photo of KyH without glasses “just in case he’s no longer wearing them”:
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Polcie-release-photo-of-Kyron-without-glasses-96471494.html
If the clothes KyH was wearing on Jun 4th were found, it would make sense that LE post the photo without glasses.
Jan, I don’t think we can surmise that KyH is deceased because the clothes were found. It could, however, mean that KyH might have been taken to or through public places where he could be recognized and so they changed his attire including removing his glasses. I vaguely recall an incident in UT many years ago in which the perp took the child into a dept. store dressing room, changed the clothes and cut the hair before attempting to leave the store with the child.
This is exactly why we cannot be focused on any one thing or person, as things are not always as we expect.
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Blink has indicated from day one or week one, (forget which)
that the glasses show are in FACT Kyrons. Blink was also shocked that NOT ONE person from the media questioned such.
1. Kimberly says:
December 30, 2010 at 10:42 am
I know this may be old news, but it just substantiates what blink had already clued the rest of us in on.
To add to that information, we have on display the likenesses of the shirt, pants, socks and shoes Kyron was wearing on the day of his disappearance. The pants displayed here are of the same style Kyron was wearing, but those he was last seen in were darker. Otherwise these clothes represent identifying items in this search. We show these items to create additional awareness for the public – seeing any of these items individually (a sock, a shirt or shoe) could be the tip that we need to locate Kyron
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Read the first sentence very carefully.
Likeness of everything except for the glasses.
IMO they are in fact his real glasses, as Blink has made
mention to before.
2. Kimberly says:
December 30, 2010 at 10:42 am
http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm#tape
Link for above.
49.lyla says:
January 2, 2011 at 2:18 pm
@MockingbirdSings
“Why does EVERY question lead to another question instead of an answer? Or back to one we already had? Here’s another one I had but tabled because there was no way to answer it: Why didn’t Kyron ride the bus that morning?”
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That was one of the first questions I asked early on in the case. He normally took the bus to and from school. It was a “red flag” for me along with all the other seemingly coincidences regarding the events on June 4th. I believe TH was thoroughly involved in “setting up” his disappearance..jmo.
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She drove him to school that day to be able to tour the science fair with him prior to the start of the school day. Buses arrive later on and there wouldn’t have been much time for the two of them to tour the science fair as was by driving him. Ie, the science fair opened at 815 and by 845-9am the kids were to tour the groups with their classes. nothing hinky imho
Am I the only one here that doesn’t get how talking about stains on clothes or no stains on clothes relates to helping find Kyron.
Throw tomatoes/potatoes or eggs at me if you want, but Seriously, what does this have to do with the Very many hints and and guidance Blink has provided to us to research and learn from.
I for one would like us to focus on that and hopefully come up with more productive help for finding Kyron.
@10.Jill says:
January 2, 2011 at 4:55 pm
http://www.faceintel.com/
Check out this website. Apparently Intel is not well loved by its employees. Especially read the comments archives. Wonder if KH is high enough at Intel to warrant people being this mad at him?
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Kh is not some bigwig Intel executive. There are thousands of Intel employees in Silicon Forest. I should add very well paid and generous benefits. Probalby one of the few companies in this area that offers every 7 years a 3 month fully paid sabatical. I have had friends that combine that with their vacation time very 7 years to take a 4 or 5 month paid time from work. In a state that probably has the 2nd highest unemployment rate, most folks would love to work for Intel because of the benefits. Also a myth that that folks that work at Intel have high IT skills…lol….my husband is a IT professional that services many residential customers that work for Intel that can’t fix their own computers.
@43.Sammy says:
January 2, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Thanks for the replies MockingbirdSings and Lyla.
PDX politics are interesting to say the least.
Yeah, I’d hate to be the PR spokesperson for the police dept – never knowing what info Mayor Sam may decide leak via Twitter to the masses.
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I know this is OT, but check out Mayor Sam’s affair (which he lied about before his election) with a 17 year old.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2009/01/breedlove.html
Respectfully, this is O/T, and we covered this at length when it was “on topic” months ago.
B
@12.Kimberly says:
January 2, 2011 at 6:17 pm
49.lyla says:
January 2, 2011 at 2:18 pm
@MockingbirdSings
“Why does EVERY question lead to another question instead of an answer? Or back to one we already had? Here’s another one I had but tabled because there was no way to answer it: Why didn’t Kyron ride the bus that morning?”
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That was one of the first questions I asked early on in the case. He normally took the bus to and from school. It was a “red flag” for me along with all the other seemingly coincidences regarding the events on June 4th. I believe TH was thoroughly involved in “setting up” his disappearance..jmo.
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She drove him to school that day to be able to tour the science fair with him prior to the start of the school day. Buses arrive later on and there wouldn’t have been much time for the two of them to tour the science fair as was by driving him. Ie, the science fair opened at 815 and by 845-9am the kids were to tour the groups with their classes. nothing hinky imho
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What did the kids do from 9am to 10am (when classes started that day)? We’re they supervised or not? I’m gettin lost on the timeline that morning.
@ E-Rose 6. My memory may be faulty, but prior to his move I don’t believe James was part of the Quinn & Kyron visitation swap. He saw his birthdad in the summer. The swapper/drivers were Terri, Desiree, Quinn’s Dad, not the Tarvers. Iunderstood Kyron’s weekend was timed to permit fishing with Tony. Commuting to see Mother was a recent thing for James
@ Kimberly 12. Yes, I’ll take a frontal tomatoe/egg omelet with you. I have lost a research direction (the forest or big picture) in a thicket of opinion (trees).. Any ideas on how to scope out SZ “hidden in plain site?”
I recall a statement on SM that if in fact those were Kyron’s clothes why bother showing them if he was no longer wearing them. I do not believe those where the clothes Kyron was wearing. The glasses are a whole other story.
To all the people saying, “I don’t get why we are wasting time discussing x or y or z,” please….chill. I have been the subject of such attacks, as have others, and they seem to be increasing as of late. There is a real risk of us turning against one another in frustration because: 1) we have very limited facts on this case; 2) LE ain’t talking; and 3) there is no sign of the case being resolved any time in the near future, if (though it pains me to say it) at all.
This is frustrating and painful for all of us. Lashing out at one another isn’t going to help anything. There is nothing wrong with wanting to mull over (many times over) the very limited facts/information with which we have been presented in hopes of connecting the dots, even partially.
We all want the same thing here.
Agreed, I am jamming on another case and I missed that, if one does not appreciate the comments of another, one also can scroll and roll.
Civil and respectful please.
B
To the poster of FACE Intel link ( can’t find your post just now), who also pondered if KH was one of those mgrs who are tasked with eliminating 15 percent of workforce yearly to ensure (cheaper) new blood. Just what I wanted–New Learning. Kudos to group founders. I’ve skimmed, esp “”Survival Guide” and “Rankings & Spankings.”. The former suggests a good corp fit for any teutonic type (used re behavior, not race). The latter mentions “reassignment” as a “way station” for a targeted employee. I immediately thot of Rotan’s reassignment fromCalif, his career stage (fits a targetee), and the alleged Intel laptop theft. Apparently, a no. of employees have cause tobe desperate
While noTerri fan, and like KH would have filed for The Divorce had I his assets & income; nevertheless, the Section called “Targeting” under this url http://www.faceintel.com/discharge.htm#Procedure%20for%20Targeting could I suppose also go for spouses
If those pants are the ones Kyron wore the day he was disappeared I don’t believe LE would be taking photo’s of them for public display; they would be evidence, not for public consumption. Also, LE has repeatedly stated that they have “no physical” evidence.”
Our neighbors are another “split” family. We live in the Portland area, neighbor’s son from previous marriage lives in San Francisco, I believe he is nine. Every three weeks the families do the half way drive so that Dad and Step-Mom have time with child. In this family all the parents work full time and have other younger children. It’s what you do, when you have a marriage that didn’t work out the way you had hoped. Because of employment opportunities one parent choose to move away for a better salary, it helps all of them. Many families live like this, yes it can be stressful, but the children do know they are loved and cared for. It’s a choice, I admire they way they have handled the parenting in this family.
@Kimberly says:
…snipped..
Am I the only one here that doesn’t get how talking about stains on clothes or no stains on clothes relates to helping find Kyron.
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I’ve been thinking about this for a long time, so I’m just going to blurt it out… then duck for cover…
Could the bleach have been thrown or splashed on to the pants while Kyron was wearing them… as punishment for wetting his pants?? That would certainly explain frequent trips to the bathroom if he had chemical burns or irritation.
http://www.faceintel.com/penang.htm
Been reading about Intel Penang, & employee training/travel
between Asia & US….esp about employee morale.
Penang, Malaysia is a child sex trafficking site.
wondering if Kyron might as well be in Malaysia as Mexico.
@ Irish 20. Lots of young low-motor-tone (as I think Ky was) and or add boys (as DY hinted he was) have continence & frequency problems.
20.Rose says:
January 2, 2011 at 7:43 pm
@ Kimberly 12. Yes, I’ll take a frontal tomatoe/egg omelet with you. I have lost a research direction (the forest or big picture) in a thicket of opinion (trees).. Any ideas on how to scope out SZ “hidden in plain site?”
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I’m with y’all …
We know LE has requested identification of every vehicle in the vicinity of the school that morning and was matching every driver up with it’s vehicle and where they parked. They were asking for any witnesses on the back roads that TH drove that AM, as well.
I would think LE has also identified every white truck in the area, including speaking with it’s owner. So, I’m thinking white truck is out of state.
If it’s a local pedo, I just have to believe LE has been on top of that right from the beginning. Lots of pedo activity, but just not the right one for this crime.
someone else.
Ok, so I know my brain goes all over the place, but have the rest of you always wondered about Kyron’s uncle? It certainly seemed like an odd coincidence. I initially dismissed it when we found out that his charges involved a female minor, thinking he liked females only. But if you remember, he said why he did it had to do with him thinking about what his father did to him, correct? If that is true, I would think he could be interested in a boy too. He’s in jail now and will be released in January, correct? Could this be why LE requested money until February only? With him in jail, that gives LE extra time (6 months) to build a case, and they know the alleged perp is “safely” in jail. Hiding in plain site. Hmmm…
@ CD a baby conceived in June would be due in February. And a baby conceived in July would be due in March. A baby conceived in May would be due in January. (I am pregnant due in June conceived in October.)
Has LE questioned the men on the list who attended alone…or at least using my methods of deduction there are male names on the list that I cannot associate with a SO. For the males on the list who have a SO has LE interviewed the SO to understand why the SO did not attend the SF? Or maybe LE already knows this info and will not release why the SO did not come to the SF? In addition can any of these males be associated with other children in Kyron’s class or the same grade as Kyron.
If Kyron was taken by an attendee at the SF maybe the SO of SZ could provide a clue.
Why would LE show his clothes and glasses unless they are asking the public to look for them?
I DO NOT believe they found a thing. LE has said they have no clue what became of Kyron. If they had his clothes and/or glasses, they would have an idea he was kidnapped. And as another posted said, clothes and glasses would be physical evidence and they would not be showing it on the news. I think the discoloration on the pants is like on Ebay, when certain clothing does not photograph well.
It is only physical evidence in the event there is a forensic link, or other definitive proof they were Kyron’s.
Also, we do not know the exact quote Sheriff Staton used wrt to the lack of physical evidence or if was meant in context to mean they have none that implies what ultimately happened to Kyron.
B
Who knew ALL the details of the morning of June 4, 2010:
1. That TH would drive Ky to school and then take off and not linger for the entire SF?
2. That KH was at work and not in his home office til afternoon
3. That Ky was due to travel to see DY/TY that weekend
4. That JM was on a camping trip
All of the above equals: No adults or older teenage brothers in the immediate vicinity of Kryon, other than TH, who this person knows is a loopy, self-absorbed, crappy multi-tasker who whines about how busy she always is?
Hey, wait a minute, this person thinks. That’s one helluva good day to abduct Kryon! TH will be pre-occupied with errands and can’t wait to get rid of her stepson for the whole freakin’ weekend! TY is a police officer but who cares, he ain’t a local cop and he ain’t there! DY isn’t there! JM’s not there! Everyone of these people is busy this morning someplace else, except that dimbulb hyper-socializing redhead who makes up stories about her wandering seizure-prone stepson!
Who would know all of this?
Someone that TH talked to all the time and blabbed everything to, that’s who.
Rose, This was a candy coated article early on, but it does support the restaurant exchange. My objective is to understand what the weekend and summer expectations were for visitation. I have never been very clear about which scenario is true, and was hoping to also hear from DReader, who brought it up.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html
snip>
Mainly, their relationship has consisted of exchanging kids. Once a month, they would converge at Shari’s Restaurant in Springfield and do a swap, with James staying with Tarver and his new wife, and Kyron going with Desiree and her husband.
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18.Rose says:
January 2, 2011 at 7:39 pm
@ E-Rose 6. My memory may be faulty, but prior to his move I don’t believe James was part of the Quinn & Kyron visitation swap.
They no longer do that swap with Tarver. Since March, James has lived in Roseburg, first with his grandparents and now with Tarver.
Last sentence of my post belonged as the last sentence of the O article, not Rose’s comment.
Same article previously linked. Reads like KH’s dad thought Ky was dead by June 19th.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html
Kaine’s adoptive dad, R. Neil Horman, says Kyron’s disappearance has been a strain on the parents.
“The loss of a child like this is devastating,” he said.
Jackie Bauer
says:
December 31, 2010 at 12:51 pm
@Lea: …I’m not going to spend my time responding to what you’ve written above, though I’ve many thoughts on it with one exception. Your statement: “What annoys me is when people can’t simply own up to their inability to maintain a relationship, and instead must destroy the other person on their way out the door.” seems just a bit askew to me, and a little unfair. Personally, a Murder For Hire plot and a missing child would throw this situation into more than “an inability to maintain a relationship”. I am holding my tongue and stopping there.
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Agreed. I fail to understand how attempting to murder one’s spouse and causing his/her child to disappear does not classify as destroying “the other person on their way out the door”, but failing to recount an event verbatim (although consistently) does.
Another article on the visitation. Makes me wonder if Quinn and Ky were slated to go to DY’s on 06/04 and who was driving?
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html
Every other weekend, Terri, Kaine or Greg McCullough, Desiree’s first husband, shuttled James, Kyron, and Desiree and Greg’s son, Quinn, to Shari’s restaurant in Springfield for a handoff. James stayed with the Tarvers in Roseburg and Kyron and Quinn went with Desiree to Medford, where she lives with her husband, Tony Young.
There is one account from TY that seems to suggest that Ky would be fishing with him on Saturday, June 5. Then, for summer break, Ky would be with his dad in CA thru at least July 4th and then by August back with his mom. Not sure if I have it right, but it seems like this was a quick weekend with mom and TY and then Ky would be with dad for the next month or so.
Kyron also was looking forward to several camping and fishing trips in Southern Oregon and Northern California this summer, where he could use his new fishing pole, Shults told reporters during a Saturday afternoon briefing.
http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=127576029009015000
Desiree Young found out her 7-year-old son was missing, hours before she was supposed to meet Kyron’s stepmother, Terri Horman, in Eugene to pick Kyron up for the weekend.
A weekend Kyron’s stepfather, Tony Young, was looking forward to. “I was suppose to take him fishing that day, the following Saturday, on my boat so that didn’t happen and that just kills me,” he said through tears.
It was a camping trip Young said Kyron had been waiting for since he got his new fishing pole for Christmas.
http://www.ktvl.com/articles/medford-1196047-kyron-horman.html
Reporter: What do you both remember about the last time you saw Kyron or what you talked about?
Desiree Young: We talked about summer and spending more time together. And our trip that we had planned. And he was extremely happy about that.
Kaine Horman: Vacation. We were actually supposed to be on vacation right now. We were really looking forward to going down and visiting some friends in California. We were going to be there for an extended period of time. A lot of the families down there have kids around his age that he knows so we were really excited about that.
June 25, 2010
http://www.kptv.com/news/24037975/detail.html
What was planned for Kyron to be doing this week if he had not disappeared?
He was supposed to be in California on vacation with his dad visiting friends – swimming, BBQ’ing, playing mini-golf, going to the water slides, a possible trip to the races, visiting to Monterey, and watching fireworks/celebrating the 4th of July with everyone.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyrons-parents-answer-questions-from-public-97831659.html
DESIREE YOUNG: And we had a—quite a few trips planned. We have a houseboat reserved for August, and he’s going to be home before then. But we also have a lot of camping trips planned, and he had a trip down to California planned, and…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38420266/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/
Jackie Bauer
says: December 31, 2010 at 12:51 pm
“@Lea: I’m at the beach, I’m enjoying it for myself and Kyron, and I’m not going to spend my time responding to what you’ve written above, though I’ve many thoughts on it with one exception. Your statement: ‘What annoys me is when people can’t simply own up to their inability to maintain a relationship, and instead must destroy the other person on their way out the door.’ seems just a bit askew to me, and a little unfair. Personally, a Murder For Hire plot and a missing child would throw this situation into more than ‘an inability to maintain a relationship’. I am holding my tongue and stopping there.”
Jackie:
Understood. My comment was based on Kaine Horman’s statements in the media and to the court, which in total, indicate that he believes his relationship with Terri Horman was troubled for the past three years (2008 through 2010). The time line for relationship problems coincides with Kiara’s conception and/or birth.
Law enforcement apparently has no evidence of a murder for hire plot except the words of a pissed off landscaper on whom Terri Horman called the police some time prior to Kyron’s disappearance. If the sting operation turned up evidence to support the landscaper’s claim, don’t you think that Ms. Horman would be in jail?
This is strictly my personal opinion, but this is a guy who has a pattern of making babies and having the relationship fall apart when the baby is born.
Both Mr. Horman and Ms. Horman have children from prior relationships, and both have exes who have reasons to gripe about their conduct when the relationship ended and in their conduct since that time. None of that is terribly unusual, necessarily, but it is a pattern.
Both of these people seem to have known at some point that their relationship was not working out. There is no reason it had to turn into a nuclear war.
Falstaff, It is what you do, for the kids, normally. But if you have expressed hating your stepson, and your son is no longer involved in the car pool, and another kid is along for the ride and you are driving the 12+ hours and not your husband, I am not saying it is motivation to hurt your stepson, but I guess I am wondering is if you would plan an abduction BEFORE you made this journey as opposed to after…
Falstaff says:
January 2, 2011 at 9:05 pm
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Our neighbors are another “split” family. We live in the Portland area, neighbor’s son from previous marriage lives in San Francisco, I believe he is nine. Every three weeks the families do the half way drive so that Dad and Step-Mom have time with child.
About the visitation schedule for June 4th weekend –
I wrote: “I thought it was probably because he was going to spend more weekend time with Tony to go fishing and Tony’s work schedule/on call/etc. is probably difficult to adjust. Since everybody involved seemed to work together to keep the visitations going, I assumed they were accommodating a change and not forcing the other visiting children to change what they usually do. Summer schedules were different so it isn’t like they were making a change that would have to continue on.”
Others also wrote about this with some variations.
Somehow I don’t think it was as big a change in the schedule as it seems to us. For some reason that weekend worked for Tony to take Kyron fishing and he had been waiting a long time. I believe Kyron was expected to finish school the next week – nobody indicated otherwise and it was referred to as “the weekend”.
Having the kids all at once can be a good thing. Having a weekend without a group of kids can be a good thing too. Having a weekend with a child you don’t get to see as much and spending that time without other distractions can also be a great experience. If you put your kids first, there really isn’t a wrong way to work it out.
enumclawrose says:
January 2, 2011 at 4:33 pm
Mockingbirdsings, Here is my take on the visitation. Driving children 2-3 hours one way, meaning 6 hours total on and Friday and a Sunday, takes a HUGE chunk out of the weekend. The custodial parent usually dreads these trips as they are not really getting anything out of it and it is a huge inconvenience.
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I understand what you are saying, and this could be how they all felt, but for many parents, the kids ARE their weekend, and relationships with the other parents are beneficial to the kids and to keeping the other parents involved. It is part of the custodial parent’s job as the parent, and helping a child have strong family ties is its own reward when it works well. If you use every other weekend and have 2 drivers who trade off, you are only going once a month. Terri complained about a lot of things to her friends, it seems, but I don’t recall her complaining about the driving.
@ Kimberly and lyla –
I know many of us have gone over and over this, but maybe it’s like multiple interviews – you try again to see if you missed anything before.
I agree that Terri planned to tour the exhibits with Kyron during the early time from 8 to 8:35. Kaine thought she was going to stay there until 10 and bring the exhibit home because that was the reason she gave for using the truck. She could have stayed from 8 to 10, but that would be a very long time for a toddler with no “toddlery” things to do.
To make it easier, she could have gone at 8:45, met Kyron and looked at the exhibits, then taken the exhibit home as planned. Kyron could have gone to school on the bus, or he could have ridden with her and arrived anytime before starting time at 8:45 when other kids were getting there. Terri would have had no problem getting an OK from Mrs. Porter to walk around with Kyron during that time if she was trying to make it a “time together”.
Instead, Terri chose to go about 45 minutes before school officially started, look at exhibits for about 30 minutes (dropping off backpack and jacket, talking to PTA President and whoever else) and leave without Kyron’s exhibit, using medicine for Kiara as her reason.
Fred Meyer’s is open at 7 AM. Depending on when Kyron is normally picked up by the bus to school, she probably could have let Kyron ride the bus if she didn’t want him to go with her to FM, but if she took him with her, there would certainly have been plenty of time to shop for medicine, pick up something at Starbucks and arrive at school anytime between 8 and 8:45. She could still have seen the SF with Kyron, and still have taken the exhibit home that morning with the intent to show it to Desiree that evening.
Most every store and pharmacy I know of will call another one of their stores or pharmacies that is close and ask if they have what you want – and they can usually get through to someone easier than a customer can. You do not have to drive around wondering.
I don’t know if all this is hinky or not. I just know there are numerous options that would have allowed her to do it all and to pick up the SF exhibit. It just seems that she wanted to leave school before 9 and not go back. We have also already discussed that emailing the teacher to ask when she could come back was not necessary, probably not the intended purpose, and the email would not have been answered during the talent show anyway – maybe not at all on a Friday afternoon after a very busy day.
Why didn’t she stay or go back to get the exhibit? Maybe she was being passive aggressive and did not want to take it to show Desiree but needed it to be someone else’s fault? Maybe she knew what we don’t? Maybe she wanted the truck again on Monday? I’m beginning to really dislike the word “maybe”.
Rose says:
January 2, 2011 at 12:48 pm
my MO– had my child not been on bus– would also be to have driver immediately walkie talkie to school as being the most direct, expeditious way to get an answer.
I think our drivers would have recommended it too if confronted by a puzzled parent. you get a reliable immediate response. If a parent called on a cell, maybe you get the run around from sch secr or the pta phone volunteer receptionist(at least or local schools have that), if sch phones were even still on for the day. my point of view would be “you’re supposed to have my kid, where is he?” and expect an answe from the school system via channels.
NelMel says:
January 2, 2011 at 1:20 pm
In my school district, since 1989, all bus drivers in my district are required to radio the school transportation office and the school if a child does not get off a school bus in the afternoon.
They have no choice. They have to do that. It does not even matter if the parent stands there at the bus drop, has a sudden attack of memory, and says “oh, never mind, Jimmy probably went home with his friend Tommy.” The bus driver HAS TO radio the school and the school tranportation office.
It’s possible that the Horman’s school district has the same policy.
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I am not aware of buses having radios or walkie talkies to connect directly to PPS school buildings. I don’t know, but I suspect they still rely more on cell phones for that. If they use radios it would be to call the district transportation superviser and perhaps they can make an actual phone call on a radio channel too. How the driver called doesn’t really make a difference.
The question is still why wait for the bus driver to call when the only other place you could check anyway is the school? No doubt, the bus driver would want and need to know, was mandated to and should report it, and the bus driver would have done that whether the Horman’s waited or not, but my question is why wait for that call to happen when Kaine has already started to the car and you are only 5 minutes from school. If there was a mix-up, he still has to be picked up.
If Terri thought Kyron was NOT marked absent and had been at school all day, she should have expected the secretary (and/or whoever was there to help the secretary) to look in the hall, have someone check the bathrooms available to him and the area where kids wait for parents, the playground if close to where kids wait for parents, even call his teacher’s room (or find her if she was still in the building) in case he went back for something and to see what she knew. She could have used a public address system to ask anyone who sees him to call the office and paused for a response. This could take as much as 5 to 10 minutes.
Without doing a search, the secretary could not definitely say Kyron wasn’t there somewhere waiting for them. If he had been sitting in the office with her to wait, the secretary would have already called (or had him call) Terri or Kaine since they would have been late to pick him up. (Remember, it was Friday near the end of the year after a very busy day – people hoped to finish their work and leave, not “babysit” for late parents.) The ONLY QUICK response to the driver’s call would be if the secretary knew or could see immediately in her computer that he had been marked absent. And the ONLY EXPECTATION of that QUICK response would be if you knew all of what I just wrote.
I know these things not because I am smart, but because I have worked in schools since before JFK was President, and I still have family members in school. Terri would know these things because she took attendance and dealt with buses and school secretaries, etc., as a sub and as Kyron’s caretaker. IMO, Terri knew the driver would get the quick response.
Blink,
You might want to address the originator of a topic when it does not sit well with you. What you often do is respond to those who had ZERO to do with bringing a topic up and/or those who you seemingly like least to press your points forward. Your “We covered this ions ago” SHOULD have been addressed to Mockingbirsings with respect to the Adams topic. It stands out…..really stands out. Makes you and others look bad.
Cheers.
I will take your point constructively, except for the “those I like least” part, that is inaccurate.
We are names here, contributing to dialogue, to my knowledge it is not affiliated with any popularity contest, because if it were, I would undoubtedly lose. Unlike my J E T S. (sorry, last one)
Cheers
B
15.lyla says:
January 2, 2011 at 7:28 pm
@12.Kimberly says:
January 2, 2011 at 6:17 pm
49.lyla says:
January 2, 2011 at 2:18 pm
@MockingbirdSings
“Why does EVERY question lead to another question instead of an answer? Or back to one we already had? Here’s another one I had but tabled because there was no way to answer it: Why didn’t Kyron ride the bus that morning?”
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That was one of the first questions I asked early on in the case. He normally took the bus to and from school. It was a “red flag” for me along with all the other seemingly coincidences regarding the events on June 4th. I believe TH was thoroughly involved in “setting up” his disappearance..jmo.
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She drove him to school that day to be able to tour the science fair with him prior to the start of the school day. Buses arrive later on and there wouldn’t have been much time for the two of them to tour the science fair as was by driving him. Ie, the science fair opened at 815 and by 845-9am the kids were to tour the groups with their classes. nothing hinky imho
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What did the kids do from 9am to 10am (when classes started that day)? We’re they supervised or not? I’m gettin lost on the timeline that morning.
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Basically, I agree with Kimberly that it would be perfectly normal on the day of the SF for a parent to drive his/child to school that morning if the parent was planning to tour the SF. As I understand it, the SF began before classes started, so if a child rode the bus, he/she would likely get to school much later (in time for class, but not in time to tour the SF with a parent).
However, in an early interview, I remember DY saying she expected TH at the SF until 10:00 (sorry, I can’t find that video now). My understanding is that the children were to tour the SF in small groups from 9:00 to 10:00 (presumably, this would be when TK saw Ky with his friends in the gym). DY’s statements gave me the impression that TH volunteered to be a chaperone at the SF. If so, why did she leave early? Did she use the “Dr’s appt” as an excuse to renege on her prior commitment?
Sorry, MBS, more questions.
Jden says: December 31, 2010 at 10:15 pm
“To our posters with legal expertise, what would it take to classify this as a (criminal investigation), which was done 10 days after KyH disappearance?”
It became a criminal investigation the minute law enforcement concluded that Kyron did not leave the school campus of his own free will.
Kyron was classified as missing and endangered on June 4, the day he went missing.
The term “missing and endangered” is applied more broadly to children than adults. In children, missing and endangered includes lost children. In adults, law enforcement looks at the circumstances, i.e. a car door open and engine running, and signs of a struggle, but no driver.
The FBI was called in on Kyron’s disappearance on day one, which indicates that Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office opened the case as a criminal investigation. In my opinion, this is not unusual, given Kyron’s age and the absence of any other likely explanation for his whereabouts.
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lily says: January 2, 2011 at 10:37 am
“You are picking apart Kaine’s growing distrust and fear that the woman he was married to was not who she portrayed – yet it is Terri that decided it was good for Kiara, James and Kyron to have a bizarre exchange of graphic digital sexting with a former classmate of their father when she HAD TO KNOW those messages had a very good chance of being intercepted and disseminated to the public domain. HUH?”
I respectfully disagree. If Terri Horman was involved in sending any text messaging, she had no reason to expect that her texts would become “public domain.” The so-called text messages that were made public do not list both sets of phone numbers supposedly participating in each “conversation,” and there is no confirmation by law enforcement that Ms. Horman was a party to those texts.
A forensic record of text messages produced by law enforcement looks nothing like the documents filed with the court.
On the other hand, Ms. Horman’s attorneys have not denied Ms. Horman involved in texting, and some statements made on her behalf suggests they are acknowledging the same.
As I stated previously, Ms. Horman’s hands are tied. If she responds to any of the allegations, it opens the door to force her to testify. That could very well be the problem here. Of course, it is also possible she sent those texts. The only people who know are Ms. Horman and her lawyers.
As you know, Ms. Horman may choose silence for a variety of reasons, and her silence does not mean she had anything to do with Kyron’s disappearance. She may believe she is being set up or railroaded. She may have some other concern that has nothing to do with Kyron’s disappearance, i.e. if she lied about her whereabouts because it was embarrassing, and as a result, could be charged with making false statements to police.
Even if you assume those texts are accurate as to what allegedly was communicated between Ms. Horman and Michael Cook, there is nothing in them that suggests she was involved in any murder for hire plot. Regardless of whether you find the alleged texts weird, skeevy, or repulsive, there is nothing in them that indicates any illegal activity whatsoever.
lily says: January 2, 2011 at 10:37 am
“With respect – Your interpretation of family dynamics doesn’t mirror real life experience or the clearly suspicious behavior of Terri Horman. What mother that loved her tiny baby daughter as much mothers do would not be screaming from the rooftops their innocence and the injustice of it all if the alternative is worse than the heart wrenching separation from that baby? I’ll answer – NO MOTHER would do that. Impossible.”
I understand what you are saying, but I respectfully disagree. There are many good parents who for whatever reason “give up” when faced with litigating parenting issues, especially when the other parent has resources and promises to bury the parent.
There is a lot about Terri Horman’s behavior that suggests depression. Depression can make otherwise normal people behave in odd ways, and it can make them “check out” or “shut down.”
It’s easy for you or me to look at the situation and say, “Yeah, if I were here, I would….” But there is an equally persuasive argument that someone who is so overcome with grief and despair would simply retreat and stop cooperating, if law enforcement began accusing them of involvement in their stepchild’s disappearance.
Yes, if I were here, I would fight like hell, even if I thought my husband was meaner and/or had more money to fight his case in court. That does not mean that my personal belief about what I would do in that situation has any relevance on what is normal, or whether a different behavior is indicative of involvement in a crime.
I believe Blink commented some time ago that Ms. Horman appeared scared out of her wits. If that is the case, then perhaps she decided not to fight Kaine Horman because she realized that Kiara was safer with him? This would make sense if Ms. Horman felt that she was the target, and Kiara was in danger if she remained with her.
Amy’s Sister says: December 31, 2010 at 4:04 pm
“It’s possible, even likely, that this case is bigger than one child’s disappearance. LE can’t risk that other perps will flee or destroy evidence prior to them making arrests. Just surmising here, but that would explain a lot of questions we have about the investigation.”
I agree that it is possible.
“Regarding the pants, Kyron probably had more than one pair of the same pants and LE used the pair still at home for the photos. The staining does look funny, though. Having raised three kids I know fading is natural, but that does not look like natural fading to me.”
It does look like bleach staining, like what happens when someone accidentally throws an item of colored clothing in with the white clothes.
In my opinion, whoever pointed out that law enforcement talked about looking at each item individually was on to something. Did law enforcement believe that clothing was tossed out a car window, one at a time, or maybe thrown away in multiple trash bins?
This reminded me of the nutty Youtube video that alleged all manor of conspiracy in the Skyline area. That video also discussed a “gruesome discovery” on an area roadway, and further suggested it was a foot, as I recall. A later video posted by the same user also raised the issue about feet washing up on shore in Washington state.
While I’m not buying the whole tinfoil-hat-time conspiracy, it would not be so far fetched to imagine that someone found an item of Kyron’s clothing on the roadway.
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SayD says: December 31, 2010 at 11:26 am
“Regarding not leaving an IT footprint, besides a tech savvy person, two other types of people come to mind. The first is some older people. I say some, because my 87 year old mom is an email guru. But my husband’s father always believed in paying bills in person, with cash, and never turned on a computer. Up until his death a few years ago he still wrote letters the old fashioned way, or used the telephone. I don’t think someone very old would fit this case. The second type is the off-the-grid type of person. If you’ve ever lived in a rural area, you’ve probably met this type. Paranoid of everything; they grow their own food, heat with wood, etc. Probably smoke a lot of dope, home grown, of course.”
The “off the grid” type reminded me of Brian David Mitchell and Wanda Ileen Barzee, who were convicted of kidnapping Elizabeth Smart. Very creepy.
Maybe it’s just me, but there is something about law enforcement’s obsession with technology in this case that suggests that there is a high-tech tie-in.
Justified or not, we are at the very least dealing with a high-tech lynching.
Malty says:
January 2, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Is it so far out to believe Kyron is Alive when
The parents act like he is watching TV
Someplace? ESP Kaine
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No, it isn’t so far out at all Malty. I choose to believe that Kyron is alive, it helps me keep thinking and brainstorming and who knows-sometimes something good like that actually comes true! I always keep up the hope-because without it, it’s too easy to give up.
To those of you that want TH head on a stick, I say again, if she is responsible, so do I, but if they cannot prove that beyond a reasonable doubt, imo, they will not charge her with jaywalking.
- (Quote) Blink
Personally, I believe the worse scenario for Terri is that the case doesn’t get solved. Obviously, public opinion is very much against her. At times when I feel convinced that she was consciously involved in Kyron’s disappearance, I begin to feel very, very angry at Terri. But, I know with the limited info that’s out there, it’s possible Terri is truly innocent. However, this case is widely known, and there are people out there, including some wackos, who are convinced beyond a doubt that Terri has done something horrendous to a defenseless little child. If Terri goes to prison on a charge other than murder or kidnapping (such as MFH), there will be prisoners who are convinced she is guilty of harming Kyron and, as we know, convicts charged with crimes against children are considered the lowest form of life in the prison community. Even if Terri is found innocent (whether or not she is), everyone will suspect her of harming Kyron the rest of her life – which might be relatively short if someone decides to claim the role of Kyron’s avenger. Terri will live in fear for her life, be scorned wherever she goes and be virtually unemployable. Unless Kyron’s disappearance is solved, Terri doesn’t have much of a life left. I hope she and her friends realize this and are cooperating to the fullest extent with LE.
To those that are getting frustrated with certain discussions, be they stained clothes or Hispanic surnames that we tend to throw back and forth from time to time, please do what Blink suggests and scroll and roll. I do that when the tone of a writer comes off to me as someone who is more interested in mudslinging, than trying to figure out what happened to this little boy.
I’m to the point where I’m reading to listen to somebody logically explain their alien abduction theory as a possible venue for Kyron’s disappearance.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that while we all sit around and wait for something, anything, to be reported about Kyron, be it good or bad, then we are left with our summations and theory’s to banter back and forth.
Without different input from different people then this “blog” pretty much just becomes a journal for expression of only one thought instead of what it really is, a place where a bunch of folks are trying to figure out what happened to a little boy and learn along the way what to look for.
There are those that are always going to want to get their point across that TH did this, or KH did that. I for one am beyond the hype of the step-mother and just want to know what happened to this kid? That doesn’t mean I don’t think she had anything to do with his disappearance, it just means I don’t care, I want LE to move forward and arrest her, or admit they don’t have a clue as to who took Kyron. Then Skyline parents can do what they have to do to protect their children.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers, sister, friends and classmates.