Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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@Midwest Mom
Remember, her children will grow up and possible research all this information, we cant go making things things up. What if she is one of the people LE has eliminated?
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really good to remember this. she may never be charged with anything and what if someone totally unrelated is charged instead …
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familythx says:
January 5, 2011 at 3:48 pm
Re Terri being pg: I think historically she got pregnant to solidify a relationship (I’ve known a few women who coerce their guys into marriage or committment that way) and no way will she get pg unless it behooves her. All of course, moo, but I think she wouldn’t think twice about terminating an unwanted pg’cy, and I can’t think of a single reason she’d want another child right now- she didn’t want to take care of the ones she had.
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I agree with you. Having met a few of those women too. What if it was unplanned? Things do happen, the best of intentions… etc. Would the timing have allowed her to terminate? Once the spotlight was on over Kyron she wouldn’t have had the privacy? IF and just MOO if she took the pee test and got an unplanned positive, was confused about who the Dad was, could have seen her life falling apart and perhaps was the stress-or to set something into motion. It would also provide stress to the might be daddy.
Certainly doesn’t find Kyron, which is the most important thing, but would hint to motive. In MOO of course.
In any case pregnancy is something with a definitive end date so soon any speculation will be answered. I hope the rest of the questions will be answered soon too. As a mom I can’t imagine even breathing if my child was missing.
@DesertGirl
I do think divorce had been a topic of discussion between TH and KH before June 4th. Then the unimaginable happened and added fuel to the fire so to speak.
It would be helpful to know what was going on in the lives of the Hormans 6 months prior to KyH’s disappearance.
This suspect zero thinks he is smarter than any mere LEO, he hides in plain site.
B
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thanks to the eagle eyes of great sleuthers … I missed this site vs sight. Site of course meaning location. Sooooo … SZ is someone who is in the neighborhood on a regular basis?
Do we know who is in charge of maintaining the Skyline Elementary web site? The computer teacher?
What other sites might be possibilities? Is there a Portland Youth Soccer web site?
I am going off of the statements of DY and TY. They have not implicated KH or expressed any suspicion of him. DY was vocal about his covering up the problems he had in his home and marriage. I think if she thought he was involved, she would have no qualms voicing that.
38.DesertGirl says:
January 5, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Going out on a limb here… can anyone offer any ideas as to why Kaine might NOT have a hand in this,
Was anyone else wondering what a DH is?
Darling Hubby
Defacto Husband
Divine He-man
Darn Hillbilly
Dearest Hunk
Debt Holder
Devoted Hero
Got this off of SM, dated 01/04/11. Did we miss something, or did the reporter make a mistake? OMG, plotting to kill their toddler daughter.
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-news-divorce-hearing-postponed-for-missing-boy-s-dad
Shortly after Kyron vanished, Kaine served Terri with divorce papers and a restraining order. In the documents, he alleged that Terri tried to hire a hit man to kill him, that she was plotting to kill their toddler daughter, that she was having an inappropriate relationship with another man, and that she knew what happened to Kyron.
@33. Malty. 3 more months of talk? Grrrr…..
I suppose the most productive tack is to repeatedly advocate with LE for that LE witness memory processimg by the group of morning ( 8-12) attendees, as well as the entire school social system (staff & parents going back perhaps that semester’s enrollment). And, then, where is RSE who states a housewife and recent lawn employer had such a personal hard on for him that she asked him to off her husband, although he was the only family member who was able to pay his landscaping bill?
@44.enumclawrose says:
January 5, 2011 at 7:14 pm
Got this off of SM, dated 01/04/11. Did we miss something, or did the reporter make a mistake? OMG, plotting to kill their toddler daughter.
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-news-divorce-hearing-postponed-for-missing-boy-s-dad
Shortly after Kyron vanished, Kaine served Terri with divorce papers and a restraining order. In the documents, he alleged that Terri tried to hire a hit man to kill him, that she was plotting to kill their toddler daughter, that she was having an inappropriate relationship with another man, and that she knew what happened to Kyron.
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Yowser!!! You think someone was “smoking” something when they wrote that article
justice23 says:
January 5, 2011 at 5:40 pm
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familythx says:
January 5, 2011 at 3:48 pm
I can’t think of a single reason she’d want another child right now- she didn’t want to take care of the ones she had.
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@ familythx and justice23.
Wow. Both of your posts today have me sitting here nodding my head “yes, yes …”.
I totally agree with both of you – in your synopsis of Terri Moulton Horman.
You both so eloquently and completely put into words the vibes I’ve been picking up from TMH for months now.
Thank You!
justice23 …
This part of your post really makes so much sense to me. (I realize nothing happens in a vacuum/other people are involved around TMH – but the common denominator in all these events is Terri Moulton Horman)
(below is snip from justice23 post @ 5:40pm)
“First she is said to have cheated on and divorces 2 previous husbands, wrecks DY’s home by having an affair with her husband while she’s pregnant w/Ky who she later steals away, then later allegedly wants to kill and get rid of, then she sends James away, and not long after, Ky suddenly just disappears as if into thin air. It’s literally like the eraser-mentality. POOF! and it’s like all the men in her life she no longer likes or has a need for are just tossed aside, thrown out, re-located or about to get eliminated through an alleged MFH plot. Whether guilty in this case or not, she really sounds a lot like an eraser type of sociopath to me … sadly there are too many of those women out there.”
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justice23 says:
January 4, 2011 at 5:27 pm
zeus says:
January 1, 2011 at 9:03 pm
I wonder if she is pregnant, if that’s the reason she isn’t seen out and about(hiding mode), and part of the reason why she isn’t fighting for Kiara. Not that this would make her guilty or not guilty, just another interesting facet.
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If that’s true zeus … what are the odds that it’s actually KH’s baby? Hmmm … I could see this as potentially a reason not to want to comment and/or have to defend yourself against certain allegations in order to fight for visitation of your daughter, as I would imagine by doing so, certain other “details” about possibly someone TMH doesn’t want found out would potentially come to light and/or maybe lead to that infamous mystery person everyone keeps hinting about, no?
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I wondered about that too Justice. I would think the situation would lend itself to this potential baby not belonging to KH. But who knows? This is all just conjecture of course, but that picture just seemed really odd to me, and it would make some sense out of why she is not seen in public at all.
Also, if TH is pregnant, and if the baby was KH’s, then I think she would milk that for all it was worth-and we certainly have not seen that happening.
I think with all the hatred (maybe deserved, maybe not), that’s been poured out on TH, she would be afraid to present herself in public(especially if pregnant), for fear of being laid into and having this new baby hurt. Also, as you said-she may very well not want to have to say who she had a relationship with. It could turn out to be the mystery person, or not–or maybe she had a fling with someone under age and doesn’t want that to come out?
Or maybe….she just holds her coat closed really oddly?
Rich M says:
January 5, 2011 at 11:44 am
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I agree Rich. I think what really got me thinking about this is when that reporter, outside the courthouse that day, started shouting “Terri, are you pregnant, Terri? I saw and heard this on video-I will try to find the link and post it. The reporters were close enough to her, to really get a good view of how she looked-just sayin.
So my mind naturally went there. Then, seeing this particular picture, it really went there.
And what you said:
“And it would be pretty damned weird if the altercation on mothers day between her and RS was in some way related to the revelation that she may have been pregnant back then.”
Agreed!
For those who are irritated we are even discussing this possibility, I’m sorry. But to me, it feels like one more avenue that has to be explored as it could point to something, or someone involved with taking Kyron. We are not exploring it for the fun of it, but rather as another piece of the weird puzzle that is TMH.
Please forgive those of us who are talking about it, if it bothers you.
MockingbirdSings says:
January 5, 2011 at 2:46 am
http://www.kptv.com/technology/26371893/detail.html
PORTLAND, Ore. — A local company is helping in the search for Kyron Horman by sending the missing boy’s picture to cell phones around the world.
Text No More is an Android application created in Portland. Its creators say the goal of the app is to stop drivers from texting behind the wheel.
The app also sends coupons to subscribers and on Monday, it began sending pictures of Kyron.
“We’re one big community. We take care of our own,” said Rodney Stearns, the company’s founder. “This doesn’t let that memory fade away because our memories are really short when it doesn’t affect us.”
The company says it’s also donating $100 to the Kyron Horman Foundation each time a new business signs up to advertise.
Kyron was last seen June 4 at his northwest Portland grade school.
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Thank you MBS for posting that link. I had not seen this yet. It’s really good to know that pictures of Kyron will end up being seen by many more people!
http://www.katu.com/news/101760078.html
I have never heard these statements from KH and DY before. They are very telling. They believe(d) it is a kidnapping case and that TmH needs to do what is right. Do they still believe KyH is being held somwhere? DY states that TH “was not human to Kyron”.
KH said, “however, I’m glad they’re thorough,” Horman said. “[The investigators] are amazing people to make that case solid, so when it comes time to make an arrest there’s no getting out of it. And that’s what we want.”
This sounds to me that LE is further along than we may think, that they have a case but just need it to be solid tight.
As for Blink’s reference to the perp (hiding in plain site), I believe she is referring to a website. Again, I offer that there is very suggestive behavior and photos of such apparent on a pumpkin patch site as well as the cross-referenced church youth group site. Hiding in plain site. Attended the SF with son (cool electric one?). When TK was interviewed, he said: “Just knowing someone took him and not coming out and confessing, and that he’s probably in some other random place,”.
Someone took him? In some other random place? What would compel TK to say those things? As opposed to just saying I can’t believe he was just here and now he’s gone.
This, combined with DY’s statements as well as that I think we are pretty sure KyH’s glasses were (found) or (left) behind… all make me believe that this was a kidnapping that possibly did not turn out quite as TmH expected.
Re:47.justice23 says:
January 5, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Interesting thoughts….Perhaps if TMH, being adopted, had gone through all the emotional upheaval of giving birth to a baby girl, making her reflect on, as you mention, her own “history”—maybe this was more of her “post partum” issues than the normal PPD. Maybe she felt that now that she had her “mini-me”—she was complete and didn’t need all the encumbrances of all the other “males” in her life. So, she cleans house.
Just due to the lack of public information, if I had to guess, I would say a minor, a school employee or a person of prominence are involved. The case is being handled very differently than what we are used to. Someones rights are being protected, and I don’t mean TH, even though I can’t help but believe she is involved. Perhaps she coerced a teen, a pal at school or a twit she sexts.
1.constance says:
January 5, 2011 at 6:00 pm
snip>LE does not know if Kyron is alive or dead. Ergo, they can’t know what happened to him.
Just throwing out a couple of things – plain site – maybe North Plains? Also, what if there was a pregnancy (not KH) with the threat to terminate and taking Kyron was a way to force TMH to carry the pregnancy to term? If that were the case, the baby would be due very soon. Still looking for a scenario that allows Kyron to still be alive. I check here every day to find news of Kyron, and it’s heartbreaking that he hasn’t been found yet.
23.cd says:
January 5, 2011 at 11:49 am
Amy’s Sister says:
January 5, 2011 at 10:16 am
I don’t believe anyone will really give two hoots about Terri’s rights, though, when the facts of the case emerge. To include the family court judge. Houze can be Houze all day long but he cannot run from his clients guilt.
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I think the delay is because the new judge need to familiarize herself with the out going judges cases.
JMO How sad for our justice system in Oregon that a persons rights can be swept away in an effort to prove someone’s guilt, and solve criminal case. But sometimes I believe the above may be true.
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Reading back, my words sound harsh. Terri’s legal rights will be protected, and are being protected. She’s dancing the dance, too. She could be talking about what she knows and is choosing not to, so the investigators/attorneys/judges need to place the rights of the victim in a position of justice having been served when it’s all said and done.
I wouldn’t want any persons rights infringed upon until proven guilty, cb. I also don’t want to see a divorce prevent LE from fully investigating this case so the guilty will go to trial and be convicted.
@puzzeled
I’m starting to think RS is a figment of our imagination! LOL what do we really know about him? Is the guy we have been sluething “the” landscaper? Did terri know him as RS? Or by a another name? Why isn’t KH voicing his concern about a hit guy roaming the streets? Why did he believe this man over his own wife and mother of his child? Why isn’t anyone else concerned? Is it because the MFH plot never happened? Is it more along the lines of what we’ve discussed before?
Whatcha been reading? Does it have anything to do with a RS being involved with a situation in the past that turned out horribly wrong?
Or something recent?
Guys, “hidden in plain sight” is a fairly common expression. It simply means that someone/something becomes invisible by blending in, rather than actually hiding out of sight. It is sometimes used to describe Microsoft’s User Interface design, where–for example–a help button is visible on the screen, but it discreetly blends in with the rest of the page elements so you don’t really notice it unless you are purposefully seeking it out.
I don’t know whether Blink deliberately changed the spelling of “sight” to “site” as a clue, but I have a feeling she just meant to use the expression in the typical sense.
What I think she is saying is that SZ is out there, among the Skyline community, quietly blending in. He thinks he hasn’t been found out, and he is carrying on, business as usual. I pray he is wrong and that LE will soon be all over him like a ton of bricks.
@ desertgirl
I try(although not successfully) to stay away from the KH topic, IMO he is a complex little fella and I find myself observing him often. If I pay attention to what he says, I can get a pretty good idea of some things that will be presented to us. For a man who claims he did not know his wife and was blindsided, he knew her pretty well.
For example: he told/suggested to us that TH preferred form of communication would be electronically. So I was not surprised when e-mails and text appeared as he said they would. Most recently he said there would be more, and I have no doubt that there will be. I haven’t heard anything she has said verbally
He said/suggested that if TH friends would take a little bits of what each of them knows, then he believed we would have a complete story (paraphrasing) recently he said that different friends had come to him with e-mails and he had sent them to talk to LE.
My most recent observation: I’ll put quotes on what I think may be significant
KH said that SI was as bigger than “Manhattan” that they will be searching the island for “two months” or until they find “something”
When he stated “Something” it seemed odd to me. Wondering what “something” he was expecting them to find. IDK it was just odd
And then..and I’m not saying it means anything, just an observation..
A week later, Staton (out of character as we know him) does a interview with maxine, AND tells us “something” that was found (again,staton telling us what the searchers found?) remember what that “something” was?
Rocks..rolled up in carpet.
2 months and Manhattan..waiting..
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38.DesertGirl says:
January 5, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Going out on a limb here… can anyone offer any ideas as to why Kaine might NOT have a hand in this
@Midwest Mom
LOL … good one … you got me … LOL
I can hear the lift in your voice … Whatcha been reading? lol … I have read what you’re suggesting, but no confirmation. Reading he is in jail under another name, since July. Reading it more than once, but cannot confirm.
Have we given up on this bunch? If so, why? I forget. lol
All good question, btw
This suspect zero thinks he is smarter than any mere LEO, he hides in plain site.
B
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I suspect SZ hides in various sites.. like this one for example.
You mean he reads here?
B
Does anyone know why the court hearing set for this week was postponed? Was this as a result of a motion from one of the parties, or at the court’s request?
I cannot find anything that says “why,” only that there is a delay.
Well with all the shootings in Portland
there must be some hitmen around
how ever they don’t work for free I am sure
or take credit cards or good sex
I would guess you better have some cash up front
talking about your controling husband
with no cash to pay is a waste of time for
a hitman
my opinon of that
If you go to SMonkeys and look at the picture
thread you can see the pics Terri had on FB
lots of Kiara and family
I think she was crazy about Kiara
but Kaine is hard to fight about kids
I think down the road he will let her see Kiara
on his terms out of court
@ puzzled #4
Or, on site, at the site, etc
I googled “site” 2 of the web definition examples involved the word “school”.
enumclawrose says:
January 5, 2011 at 10:25 pm
A very good observation, enumclarose. I believe you may be on to something as most missing person cases are not so closely guarded. It even seems as though the press is quiet. Add to that LE stating their belief that this is an isolated incident. I have thought that in order for LE to make that statement they must be pretty darn sure who this perp is. I agree it could very well be school employee, minor or person of prominence – someone’s rights being protected. Things we know that we wish we didn’t.
With DY and KH so vehement in their request that TmH “do the right thing” and “fully cooperate” with LE, I have often wondered if KyH IS indeed stashed somewhere, a kidnapping gone awry, and the perps don’t know how to now (bring him back) without being convicted. Or possibly TmH entered into a kidnapping for the money – sue PPS (deep pocket)not knowing what this perp was capable of.
Still trying to figure out the DdS connection. TmH has looked scared sh**less whereas DdS smirks. Is it possible that DdS is smirking because she believes KyH is safe, however, TmH is now wondering really where KyH is and how he is? Maybe TmH is thinking that if the perp doesn’t get paid for the kidnapping he may retaliate and lose the child. If DY and KH were aware of all these facts, it would certainly explain their requests of TmH to “do the right thing”. Also, DY comment that TmH did not treat KyH human, as in this scenario she would have been using him as an object.
The other thing that I cannot resolve is, and I apologize I cannot find the link right this moment, the video of KH and TmH just 2-3 days after June 4th leaving the gym together and getting into the mustang. The press was asking a couple of questions and these two completely ignored them. Hard to say for certain how I would react in that situation and God thank you I am not in it… but I have to imagine I would appreciate the press being on top of it, briefly exchange pleasantries with them and just thank them for their diligence.
IMO….If blink really intended to utilize a play on words (site-sight), which I personally have doubts about….then site may well be connected to IT skills in the profile…website?
BAM
Or skills to master site-masking or site-related or site as in cross-hairs.
You have all heard me say this a gazillion times..
There is one criminal who has been able to create an encryption code that has NOT been broken by the country’s top FBI computer forensics expert= Jett Duncan.
I tell myself that some well-meaning agent flung the hard drive into the river so nobody would ever have to see what that monster did to the Groene family, but I know that is wishful thinking.
B
I did on Radaris locate the 48 yo Resource whose lack of any eprint in Calif prior to a teaching cert in 2007 troubled me. There had only been prior cities & some relatives listef. I also thot it unusual a male would be certified in moderate-severe learning disabilities. …and a prior city was an Intel city (Indio). This time a probable wife appeared, tho she has little eprint as well–just joined a Portland Duth group–whose founder’s new wife Chana has unusual interests (the cryogenics queen of the Pacific NW). Still see little eprint for this school employee for a 48 yo, but reassuring he likely has a wife.
Someone recently posted, without name, summary details of the former Intel employee & nearby pumpkin farmer. Since I read the FACE Intel site I no longer see men of this age who were at Intel as men who retired voluntarily wealthy and happy, but as likely targeted and forced out just before retirement who needed a replacement income. Kudos to him for finding it.
But, the original FACE link poster asked if KH was a manager in a position requiring him to target and boot 15 percent of his more expensiveworkforce a year he was responsible to contribute to the bottom line on (those near retirement). If so, and a targetee remains in this community, that’s motive. But, then, that wouldnt be sexually motivated, so guess not.
I, too, had noticed “site” but Blink often shortens words and thot it just that. If it was a Real (buried) Clue, then I took it to mean “obvious location” but see a poster’s reasoning it might be an obvious website.
If this is too OT, I understand, but because a co-author shares an unusual first name with a published (blogs) opponent of Terri who has been quoted all over the place (but this sane site) and because of the magnitude of hostility to wives, and the divorce emphasis, I’ll put this article out –it was published & meant to be available, too. http://www.depressedmetabolism.com/is-that-what-love-is-the-hostile-wife-phenomenon-in-cryonics/
Two Portland authors were married last summer, are “evangelists” in my opinion for their integrating belief system. One founded & both run the Portland Dutch society the probable wife of the Skyline Special Educator joined. For learning, buried in the article is the info a decedent’s spouse/family are disinherited and the male’s assets go to the organization. One wonders if cryonics was ever discussed in the home.
PLEEESE lets get off the she might be pregnant kick. If she was, I am soo sure she would let it slip. She seems to like the attention. Lets focus on finding Kyron.
TH is not pregnant. The End.
B
Cryonics? OMG OMG OMG
28.Rose says:
January 6, 2011 at 8:47 am
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This time a probable wife appeared, tho she has little eprint as well–just joined a Portland Duth group–whose founder’s new wife Chana has unusual interests (the cryogenics queen of the Pacific NW).
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@Rose- Is this the same Chana that runs the anti TH Support Page on FB? The Chana on that page has had much to say RE: TH and alleges to be a family friend, etc., etc,. ad nauseum. Portland Duth group or Youth group? Typo or what is a Duth group?
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@puzzled, Kimberly and Ode- I know whom you are referring to, JL XXXXX arrested by MCSO June 29th and Dec. 30th. Obviously is not RS so are you thinking he is an associate/relative? If so, why is he POI for you guys? IMO Sanchez is Spanish for Smith, LOL. Do tell…
@Rose- LOLOLOL…Dutch group, got it! Shame on me, my own Mother is Dutch from Sheboygan, oh yaw…
29.Lea Conner says:
January 6, 2011 at 2:25 am
Does anyone know why the court hearing set for this week was postponed? Was this as a result of a motion from one of the parties, or at the court’s request?
I cannot find anything that says “why,” only that there is a delay.
@Lea! I thought you would be able to answer this one…I’m scratching my noggin on this. A new judge doesn’t mean the whole dang docket of cases should be postponed… WTH? I haven’t found a single reason WHY in the media or anywhere else. I’d like to know if it was requested by either party and/or their attorneys.
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34.Jeff D says:
January 6, 2011 at 7:36 am
IMO….If blink really intended to utilize a play on words (site-sight), which I personally have doubts about….then site may well be connected to IT skills in the profile…website?
Blink says: BAM
I say: Aha! and IMO has read here.
Blink, I just read up on the Duncan case on Wikipedia. Absolute, sheer horror. I feel ill.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_E._Duncan_III
Do you think there is some connection here to the “ghost blogger” and Duncan’s web site?
No.
I think it is sick and twisted that some freaks follow these people like minions.
Downside to the web and free speech I am afraid.
B
Duncan is pure evil. I believe he got 6 life sentences. He is incarcerated, yes?
As I read some ideas of possible accounts, it leads me to recall the Jeffrey Curley case, the little 10-year old boy who was kidnapped by two NAMBLA advocates. I will not list the gruesome details, but it sounds as if there could be similarity to the searches that LE has been doing on SI.
I now wonder if possibly NAMBLA was in some way involved in the disappearance of KyH. Evil, despicable predators. The group had a strong presence on FB (social networking site) until Sept, 2010 at which time FoxNews made FB aware and they began shutting down their sites. They were target (marketing) children by attractions such as video games.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/09/29/facebook-begins-purging-pedophile-groups/
“NAMBLA” in the “Organizations-Advocacy Organizations” category, which featured a photo of a man being kissed on the cheek by a small child. Its description read: “We are the North American Man/Boy Love Association. Our sole purpose is to push forward the concept that a consenting man (18+) and a consenting minor (-18) can have a sexual and loving relationship legally. Feel free to send your questions comments or constructive criticism to [redacted e-mail address]. Thank you for your time and support and remember keep fighting the good fight!”
Things I certainly know that I wish I didn’t.
The pregnancy thing is getting old, I agree. So is the landscaper stuff, at least to me.
I have been uncertain as to my feelings for a long time, but lately, I am more and more leaning toward TH and no one else. I think it is totally possible that she and Kyron left, either together or separately, and no one noticed. I think all of the so-called witnesses are wrong. I just can’t bring myself to the point of thinking that a group conspiracy existed to harm a little boy, especially a group of women/housewives. TH had her own little motive, as well as means and opportunity. While lots of people had 2 out of 3, she is the only one with all three, in my opinion.
But LE can’t prove any of it and it is driving them all crazy; they KNOW deep down, but are no closer to proof than months ago. I feel for them, and mostly for Desiree and Kaine. Poor Kyron. Will he ever be found? I don’t think he will be.
Jeff & B., #28–RE: specialty IT skills–the first person who always comes to my mind is KH, next is INTEL.
Think about the texts allegedly written by TH and the timing in which they were made public.
@Jden
North American Man/Boy Love Association
if SZ is a pedo with “master IT skills” … this level pedo would meet all criteria in Blink’s profile.
“the little 10-year old boy who was kidnapped by two NAMBLA advocates. … sounds as if there could be similarity to the searches that LE has been doing on SI.”
“The group had a strong presence on FB (social networking site) …”
DEFINITELY Things I certainly know that I wish I didn’t.
read TWO NAMBLA ADVOCATES?
fits the profile and the means with motive
Thinking totally outside the box here–who would have the means & the motivation to “frame” TH?
Possibly, she was, by her own lifestyle choices, vulnerable too.
wonder if the overtime by investigators was to travel outside the US
Not pregnant the end LOL
OK
@ pdxgirl says:
January 5, 2011 at 11:52 pm
Guys, “hidden in plain sight” is a fairly common expression. It simply means that someone/something becomes invisible by blending in, rather than actually hiding out of sight.
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I had no doubt as to what the expression means. My question to Blink about whether the spelling was intentional arose because her spelling is generally excellent and she has been known to camouflage “clues” on BOC. That’s all. Interesting about how the phrase is used in IT design; thanks!
enumclawrose says:
January 5, 2011 at 3:13 am
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I am now wondering why the transcript or video of the Dateline, Searching for Kyron (Nov, 12), preempted in Portland for the B Ball game, is so hard to find. Am I losing it?
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@Erose-Here is a link to the dateline stories on Kyron:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/
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mosaic says:
January 5, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Was anyone else wondering what a DH is?
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@mosaic – ROFL, thanks for lightening the mood a bit!
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@Rose- Thanks for the info.
Now that I know who Chana is, I must say there are just too dang many freaky side shows going on in this case. I think I’ll just quit looking at any of that crap. Lots of things I’ve read here today that I wish I didn’t have to know, but need to know for basic awareness and safety, ugh. The world is full of whackos and the internet is making it easier for them to connect and operate. Lord help us all. Makes me want to go offline completely and permanently.
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BTW, Riverpearl, where are you?
@puzzled says “wonder if the overtime by investigators was to travel outside the US”
Based on the times and days that they conducted my interviews, I got the impression that many were doing it on top of their regular job.