Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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Too sick & leaving home for a program. (just google NSO Millenium Stage tonight & my dau will be on it somewhere…). Before it becomes private(we know how that goes), can any sleuther go to FB page of founder of Portland Dutch club (also with Alcor Cryonics) just to rule out Any NAMBLA links. Not really connected to case except wife of Skyline teacher joined this club on nationality grounds I guess. Who knows if this Chana is That Chana, Idaho. Probably more than 1 Portlander w/ the name.
Ok, guys, I do not know what Chana y’all are referring to, but I insist that we do not make references to organizations with people’s names that are not verified please.
B
I don’t think there is anything to be read into the case about the postponing of the divorce case. New judge, needs to get up to speed, new dates to be set on all his old cases, I bet.
I’ve a hunch that not only has ‘he’ been here, but he rather likes it here. I wrote down some thoughts on him a few weeks ago.
He likes wine.
And he’s a cocky bastard.
Just a hunch, mind you.
Now for another crazy idea (that surely has been mentioned before) .. what if Ky was exploited before his disappearance. Some steroids are also date-rape drugs the dosage is very tricky. That might explain some of Ky’s behavior. Then, what if the customer decided to skip the middle man..
If I had read “good IT skills”, I might assume that LE found video evidence of Ky after his disappearance. That would be in LE’s face, shocking and give them hopes that he was still alive. To trace, LE would track down the users of that anonymize service. Maybe this is what resulted in all the child porn related arrests in the past months. However, somebody with “superior IT skills” would realize that even encrypted and anonymized traffic is traceable.
RE: J. Duncan, no matter how strong the encryption, eventually computers will be fast enough to break it.
@Lea Conner,
Is it possible tat Kaine and Rackner took Bunches offer and we just don’t know about it? sealed or something?
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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/terri_moulton_horman_withdraws.html
Terri Horman’s lawyers also noted they have presented a full offer of compromise, essentially what they described as “a very reasonable proposal to resolve every issue in the divorce proceeding.” But they have not received a response from Kaine Horman’s attorney, who has until Friday.
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Lea Conner says:
January 6, 2011 at 2:25 am
Does anyone know why the court hearing set for this week was postponed? Was this as a result of a motion from one of the parties, or at the court’s request?
I cannot find anything that says “why,” only that there is a delay.
adding to above,
It was shortly after that DY went on the today show- note: “that he’s making” present tense.
“I just can’t stand by and support the choices that he’s making,” Young said. “He had several opportunities to let Tony and I know what was going on and he did not,” she said, referring to her husband, Tony Young.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/kyrons_parents_–_kaine_horman.html
enumclawrose says:
January 5, 2011 at 5:27 pm
“How did ANYONE remove a child from a public school and not leave a trace?
Without a trace, leads me to believe he walked out of the school.”
Maybe because he was carried out a back door into a truck parked in the rear lot of the school, where other people would not be. When the school buses pull into the parking lot to drop kids off, where do they go to turn around? I would think around the back where there is room to turn a bus. Maybe that is where a driver saw the second white truck with someone in it, or Kryon near it. I would think that LE would spend some time in the school reenacting how they think Kryon could have left the school and not be seen by anyone– what time could this have happened and using what exit/route. I don’t think any perp would have been so bold as to walk him through a crowd of parents into a busy parking lot. And if the dogs didn’t pick up any scent of him out a back door, then maybe he was carried.
At this point I am even questioning the veracity of the e-mails that allegedly proclaim that TH hated little Kyron. Does anyone else find the timing of this information odd? It just feels a little too convenient that they magically appear. We still don’t know who supposedly wrote them and whether or not they had been “doctored,” as the texts appear to be.
I am not a fan of anyone but Kyron, and I do not follow this case as closely as many of you all do, so I am not immersed as deeply in the details of everything written here. I do read daily. Why hasn’t TH been arrested? It has been 7 months since Kyron was seen.
Best.Thread.Ever.
Best.Greenroom.Ever, ROTFL- was that your motivation?
B
Neighbor, Bingo. I am sure old images are known to investigators, but new images must be traced. Porn is probably a lot like drugs, the user, the dealer and the manufacturer. Might be hard to tell if the images occurred pre or post abduction, too. It has occurred to me that someone made some spending money sexting and perhaps found a market for other images. As been suggested, the child was just getting ready to spend the weekend with his stepfather the cop.
6.neighbor says:
January 6, 2011 at 5:37 pm
snip> If I had read “good IT skills”, I might assume that LE found video evidence of Ky after his disappearance. That would be in LE’s face, shocking and give them hopes that he was still alive. To trace, LE would track down the users of that anonymize service. Maybe this is what resulted in all the child porn related arrests in the past months. However, somebody with “superior IT skills” would realize that even encrypted and anonymized traffic is traceable.
You are a doll. I can get on the page, but still cannot find the story. It’s official, I have lost it. TY.
1.Idahogal says:
January 6, 2011 at 3:34 pm
enumclawrose says:
January 5, 2011 at 3:13 am
(Snipped)
I am now wondering why the transcript or video of the Dateline, Searching for Kyron (Nov, 12), preempted in Portland for the B Ball game, is so hard to find. Am I losing it?
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@Erose-Here is a link to the dateline stories on Kyron:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/
39.Idahogal says:
January 6, 2011 at 11:25 am*
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I have looked at him, but he is not the individual I have
been watching. I’m struggling with a way to get it up on the screen
here, but havent had any luck yet.
By the way, has anyone here ever just randomly done a google search
using words like, Multnomah county sheriff office arrests for June 2010?
Cryogenics is the scientific study or production of extremely low temperatures (below –150 °C, –238 °F or 123 K) Cryonics is the low-temperature preservation of humans quickly after the cessation of heartbeart in an anticipation of future survival.
I am so NOT following this as to how it relates to Kyron disappearing from his school on the morning of June 4, 2009???
Can someone help me out?
Blink,
For my own educational purposes, could you please explain to me how someone can commit Murder, receive a state prison sentence, then be released 6 months later?
http://www.mcso.us/PAID/BookingDetail.aspx?ID=UO8ve3fsyiZdHQI738hflA==
No, I could not, there is no explanation
B
@ Puzzled,
Which county have you been watching under?
Multnomah, clackamas, washington, columbia?
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/01/oregon_supreme_court_rules_that_simply_viewing_child_pornography_on_the_internet_isnt_illegal.html
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Headline, Jan 6, 20100:
Oregon Supreme Court rules that simply viewing child pornography on the Internet isn’t illegal
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If this is not enough to piss us all off–I don’t know what is!
Here are snips from the article on Oregon Live:
* The Oregon Supreme Court ruled today that it’s not a crime to look at child pornography while surfing the Internet if none of the images are purposefully downloaded, printed out or paid for.
* The high court said that while some states have specifically outlawed “viewing” child pornography, Oregon lawmakers only did so if someone pays for it. What’s more, the court ruled that simply looking at photos on a website does not mean a person “possessed” the photos.
* The case could have wide-reaching repercussions — making it more difficult for prosecutors to pursue child-pornography charges in some cases.
* Prosecutors also worry that the ruling will embolden those who have been thinking about viewing child pornography on the web, but have been discouraged by the legal consequence.
* “(The ruling) does absolutely nothing to discourage that activity, and we have to discourage that activity,” said Mike Pugh, the Lane County assistant district attorney. ME-(THANK YOU MR. PUGH–A VOICE OF REASON!!!)
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This is SO wrong on every single level. Why doesn’t the Oregon Supreme Court just hand underage kids to predators on a silver platter-that’s essentially what they are doing.
This is going to set a nasty, disgusting precedent that is going to empower many more predators who may have been somewhat afraid of legal repercussions before-to simply go ahead and look all they want-as long as they don’t “save, print or pay” for child pornography on the web, they are good to go!
Oregon Supreme Court-wake up to the effing facts and do MORE to protect our kids-not LESS. I am totally and thoroughly furious…
People and politicians need to decide who the “pedo friendly” states are, and then call them out-
This sickens me more than I can say.
I lit the bat call to Ken Lanning.
B
Good evening to Blink and her Blinkers,
Just a few thoughts and questions that have been running through my mind tonight.
Did the church/social hall across the road from the school have security cameras in place on 6/4/10? If so what and whom did those cameras capture?
Has anyone here ever heard of a relationship where when maritial troubles begin the children are blamed for those problems by the mother? Or even where a non marital relationship begins and the children are blamed by the mother for the problems? IE..Susan Smith, Diane Downs, etc?
Did Terri remove her own son from the family relationship, after trying to convince Desiree and Kaine to remove Kyron from the family relationship? Did Kaine say that after checking with doctors, that Kyron wanting to live with Desiree, due to the fact that summer before had been the first summer they did 6 weeks on/ 6 weeks off, was very normal?
When Terri has lost her only daughter to Kaine, and Kaine as well..she decides to sext his friend..do you think she knew this would not bold well in her future custody battles for her daughter?
I do not think Terri ever liked children, not even her own, and barely tolerated them. I think she thought she could disappear Kyron, thinking this would lead to Kaine ultimately suing the school..not her or anything to do with her. After all she left him in a hallway outside his classroom.. I don’t think Terri ever thought anyone would give her a second glance in this crime, but just incase she has receipts for stores for part of the morning..coincidently right after she left school. I think she thought everyone would blame the school and some bad person who did this..surly not her.
She was wrong..I still believe she masterminded this, and sold her soul to the devil..for what reason I am not sure..but she surly set this up..no one else was in a position to make all these coincidences happen in one day other then Terri.
Sorry about the misspellings..it’s late, I’m tired and that’s that.
I just read this on kgw news site: here’s a good cause for locals to work on-
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/OR-high-court-overturns-2-child-porn-convictions-113042279.html
@neighbor
Thank you ..
Two steps forward (I hope), one step back: “Oregon Supreme Court rules that simply viewing child pornography on the Internet isn’t illegal”
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/01/oregon_supreme_court_rules_that_simply_viewing_child_pornography_on_the_internet_isnt_illegal.html
FTLOC
That is what I say.
B
Can you really say the government (honest moral agencies excluded) care about this little boy from Portland? Disgusting, and we pay their salaries.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/23/pentagon.porn/index.html?iref=allsearch
BTW, no mentioning of the child exploitation going on within DOD, just the risk to national security. Where have the priorities gone?
Just a recap for me. Three people went missing at the same time Kyron Horman -Terri M Horman – DeDe Spicer. It has become knowledge that TH had relationship with RS and MC (affairs were provocative and risky) TH possesses IT skills or knows other that do. There are women every day that bring predators in and around their children.They bring them in not just casually but into their homes.They know of their SO status !! And they bring them home!! It is now known that she held a hatred for Kyron (expressed in Emails)It is known that Bat phones were purchased for her by others using false names. She apparently can convience others to do “out of ordinary deeds” for her with very little explaination as to purpose. If the MFH plot was real and I feel IMO it was, then we are veiwing someone who has no regard for human life other than her own. I do not feel, if she had reached this point in her plan, she did not care who or what she handed Ky off to. I do feel that the SZ is connected somehow with a familiarity with the school. “It” is comfortable and knows the area well.Has a position which he feels gives him credibility and transparency .He’s smug ,quiet and I agree with other posters probably watching all these sITes.My heart goes out for Desiree,Tony, and Kaine and the other brothers,grandparents who are suffering this horrible loss of this beautiful child.I pray LE can bring him home.
Question:
TH/KH are not wealthy. They seemed to be middle class, living in a nice area, but not wealthy.
I realize that attorneys cost money, and some cost a fortune. I do not think that TH boasted in her texting to MC that she paid Houze $350,000. I think she simply new the sum of money she’d need to put down to retain him and that he would hit $350,000 eventually — and then some. I remember how much OJ Simpson’s defense cost him.
Why would a stay-home mother with little income of her own, and possibly only parents to tap for cash flow, immediately zero in on the priciest lawyer in town?
Most people in her situation might think “uh, no can do, gotta settle for budget lawyering!”
She was referred to Houze by a bodybuilding aquaintance? I had read that sometime back in the summer.
Why Houze? And why no hesitation to go with the most expensive guy?
It’s late and my mind is wondering. Two people on the list of attendees Jorie and Ron Kincaid….I don’t see “a minor” of theirs’ listed under their names. When I google Jorie Kincaid – “Orphans Overseas” pulls up…and when I google Ron Kincaid, senior pastor at Sunset Presbyterian Church pulls up. I haven’t seen anyone else inquire about this pair. Does anyone local know if they have children that attend Skyline Elementary?
OT. My DH and I were in Houston for New Year’s and everyone was talking about Jonathan Foster’s abduction and murder. We also talked a lot about Kyron’s case. As you can tell by the following clip, the emotions are running very high in that area. I am sure many people in the Portland area feel the same way about Kyron’s abduction as this compassionate city councilwoman does about Jonathan. The strength and commitment in her voice is so profound and impressive that I wanted to share it with all of you. I think she sums up how many of us feel when we learn of a crime against a child in our community or elsewhere.
Sending many prayers for Jonathan and Kyron, and for all those who love them.
May we soon have answers in Kyron’s case, and may the perpetrators of the crime against him and Jonathan be brought to justice.
http://www.chathousenews.com/2011/01/missing-childs-death-brings.html
13.Kimberly says:
January 6, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Blink,
For my own educational purposes, could you please explain to me how someone can commit Murder, receive a state prison sentence, then be released 6 months later?
http://www.mcso.us/PAID/BookingDetail.aspx?ID=UO8ve3fsyiZdHQI738hflA==
No, I could not, there is no explanation
B
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@Kimberly, I think this inmate just “pulled the chain” as they say in jail parlance. In other words, he appears to be moving through the correctional system. On the site you linked–if I am reading this correctly–it appears this inmate was released from MCSO Jail to the Coffee Creek Correctional Facility (CCCF). All inmates enter the Oregon Dept. of Corrections through the CCCF where they are processed and assessed. After the inmates are assessed, they are tranferred to an Oregon prison facility that will meet their individual rehabilitation needs.
Kimberly, I did a little research and I was correct. Your guy was sentenced to life in prison. So he definitely “pulled the chain”, and was transferred for intake/processing into the Oregon prison system.
Disclaimer: I have read way too many booking sheets in my career!
http://topics.oregonlive.com/tag/miguel%20angel%20camellon-montalvo/photos.html
@ Blink: People and politicians need to decide who the “pedo friendly” states are, and then call them out-
This sickens me more than I can say.
I lit the bat call to Ken Lanning.
B
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The more I read about Oregon.. ..Portland = Pornland.. Pretty sick stuff going on in that state.
from the kgw.com article – basically the same on other sites too:
SALEM — The Oregon Supreme Court has ruled in two cases that people who surf the Internet for child pornography haven’t violated a law against encouraging sexual abuse of children — so long as they haven’t paid for, downloaded or shared the porn.
The court said Thursday an Oregon law frequently used in child pornography cases predates widespread Internet use and doesn’t cover all the ways images get into computers.
In one case, the court said, it was impossible to tell whether a suspect accessed images on purpose, or whether they were the result of pop-up windows or hacking.
Lawyers say most suspects download or take obvious possession of the images, so the decision will have limited impact. But, they say, the Legislature can update the law.
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This law “predates widespread Internet use and doesn’t cover all the ways images get into computers.”
No one said it was right or OK to view pornography. They are defining the difficulty with prosecution under Oregon laws. I think the problem is with the law itself, and I suspect many states have laws that have not kept up with internet changes. It may be that since the internet is not defined by geography, and most, if not all, legislators are not equipped to deal with the scope of possibilities and rapid changes associated with the internet, this area will need federal laws written. In any case, I’m sure it won’t be left “as is”.
I understand states’ rights, however, I believe children’s basic human rights outweigh them all. Maybe we need more people with superior IT skills advising us on how to write laws that work as we intend them to work.
I hope I haven’t offended anyone. I am not defending anyone’s right to look at child porn – I don’t think that’s a “right” or a free speech issue. I think this is a wake up call for reviewing laws in every state and sharing the ones that make a difference for kids.
Let me make this even more confusing-
Regardless of the Oregon ruling, the Federal Statute takes precedence anyway, so wth?
B
@Shelly says: “… Does anyone local know if they have children that attend Skyline Elementary?”
Yes. Only adults and “minors that did not attend Skyline” are on the list.
Kimberly says:
January 6, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Blink,
For my own educational purposes, could you please explain to me how someone can commit Murder, receive a state prison sentence, then be released 6 months later?
http://www.mcso.us/PAID/BookingDetail.aspx?ID=UO8ve3fsyiZdHQI738hflA==
No, I could not, there is no explanation
B
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As we have said before, everyone in Multnomah County comes and goes through the downtown Portland facility. It appears that he was released to Coffee Creek which is a state women’s prison and holds men there for only 30 days to do an assessment and determine where to send the male prisoner next. Only women do longer terms there.
Since this person does not show up in the state roster, he could have been released, but also, his case might not have been updated yet. He might have been transferred to an out of state facility (sometimes space limitations and/or personal difficulty causes a change or an exchange), or something else could have happened. Unless you know for certain he was actually released, I wouldn’t assume that.
I find it extremely difficult to follow anyone through the prison system unless you know a probation officer or DA or attorney that keeps track of that person. Maybe it’s easier in other states.
VINE shows him in custody in both Multnomah Co and Coffee Creek when I checked tonight. VINE is a great concept, but I have known it recently to be as much as 2 months, maybe more, behind in notifying a victim who signed up for it. In this case, I would assume he may still be at Coffee Creek waiting for a placement since his release date to there was 12-21 and it hasn’t been 30 days yet. The only way to know for sure would be to call Coffee Creek and ask, if you really want to know.
I assume from the post that this person is not case related, but it does show how difficult it is to track anyone who has been convicted of a crime and is supposed to be incarcerated.
Another question:
Where did the money come from?
a) income
b) assets
c) gift
How can she answer
d) none of the above
My guess to both of our questions is a prominent person directly paid Houze for her defense. A direct payment to Houze may legally be construed as not technically a gift. This person needs to protect TH to CHA.
P.S.
After the news story tonight, it wouldn’t surprise me if this guy is one of the kiddy porn freaks at the Pentagon. Sorry for the cynicism, but if the DoD can’t clean it’s own house, oops, I mean WON’T clean it’s own house then where does that leave Kyron and kids like him? Where is the outrage?
14.NelMel says:
January 6, 2011 at 11:25 pm
Question:
Why Houze? And why no hesitation to go with the most expensive guy?
Shelly says:
January 7, 2011 at 12:17 am
It’s late and my mind is wondering. Two people on the list of attendees Jorie and Ron Kincaid….I don’t see “a minor” of theirs’ listed under their names. When I google Jorie Kincaid – “Orphans Overseas” pulls up…and when I google Ron Kincaid, senior pastor at Sunset Presbyterian Church pulls up. I haven’t seen anyone else inquire about this pair. Does anyone local know if they have children that attend Skyline Elementary?
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Kyron Horman update: Hundreds attend Tuesday night vigil for missing Oregon boy
* June 16th, 2010 5:07 am ET
Sunset Pastor Ron Kincaid said three of his own children attend the rural Skyline School, where Kyron vanished. He asked those at the vigil to pray for the second-grader, the Horman family, the school’s staff, and those investigating the case.
Reading from Jeremiah 23:23-24, Kincaid said “Can anyone hide from me in some secret place?” He noted that the passage meant that “We know that God is everywhere and knows exactly where Kyron is.”
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-update-hundreds-attend-tuesday-night-vigil-for-missing-oregon-boy
@Erose – Try this link, it goes directly to the videos Parts 1-4:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/38530051#38530051
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22.zeus says:
January 6, 2011 at 8:46 pm
RE: Oregon Supreme court ruling on internet child porn
I’m furious! I noticed that 96 people “liked” this article, and some of the comments on the story make me want to puke. You just KNOW that some of these people are pedos that are just thrilled with this ruling. Sick, sick, sick!
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@Rose-
I looked up that group and the founder + his wife. Other groups of interest for him include atheists, isn’t that interesting? IMO his wife is one and the same. Have not made a NAMBLA connection but will keep looking into it. Freaking sickos, they really are. My blood pressure is just boiling this morning.
Do you really think that “Chana” would be foolish enough to use her real name on her blog?
For Blink – I think it would be a good idea to remove the unfounded “N____LA” reference.
Thank you for bringing this to my attention Klaasend-
I have addressed that even posing the question attached to someone’s name, that is unverified, is inappropriate.
I would appreciate everyone adhering to this please.
B
Unable to view the website for Pastor RK church site: http://www.sunsetpres.org
“error has occurred”
From the above link
(Snipped)
Alternately, state lawmakers could decide to change the law to more specifically address Internet viewing
**This absolutely needs to be done! To wide of range left open. Thank the lord that I have never stumbled upon any child porn over the years, if I had then I would report it and I would hope that I wouldn’t be prosecuted. There is a big difference in stumbling upon it and searching for it or a pattern of viewing it. And law makers know this. I can feel the prosecutors frustration.
There should be a more specific law that states that if you find child porn, and don’t report it then you can be prosecuted..that would actually make people take action instead of pretending that it is someone elses problem. More reporting, if only to protect their own butts
Idk if I’m making any sense?
Sunset pres is HUGE. If the website isn’t working, I’m sure its temporary. That place wouldn’t just disappear, trust me.
@ #28 mockingbirdsings
Thank you for that explanation you offered. I am so frustrated at lack of prevention on many levels here in Oregon.
For example; a couple of pages back I made mention of the fact that unless a SO is considered “predatory” they are NOWHERE to be found in the system. IMO it just sets the stage for a re-offense! If people don’t know who they are, where they are, what the past crime was,there becomes a gateway for some who maybe overly trusting when they shouldn’t and the potential to harm another is great!
I have been continually amazed @ the things I have learned (some of which I’m not sure I’m thankful for)while following this case!
I was somewhat aware of the inability to track criminals threw the county and vine and etc. Looking back at my post, it was more an expression of outrage and WTH, and my own effort to make others aware!
enumclawrose says:
January 6, 2011 at 10:33 pm
BTW, no mentioning of the child exploitation going on within DOD, just the risk to national security. Where have the priorities gone?
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I can answer that eclaw … we are fast becoming a society of “Rules for me … rules for everyone else” and the gov’t is the epitomy of this, IMO. Wonder what these cretens feelings would be on this issue if they knew their OWN children were being exploited by other people? If I had to guess, I would definitely say there might be an awful lot of vigilante justice going on in that situation … so really no different than how we all feel now about children in general being exploited/abused like this whether we know them or not. But like I said … some people choose not to see the forest through the trees … it’s okay if they do it to someone else’s children, but Lord forbid if one of their own is made a victim. And these are people we are supposed to be able to hold to a higher standard!?
I am basically convinced now more than ever that when it comes to the protection/safety of our children, the only people we can truly trust is ourselves. And even then, many of us are severely failing our children and children everywhere. Too many people just don’t want to get involved. We should all make an individual effort to step in somehow for that’s how true change eventually happens, right? Vince Lombardi said it best:
“Individual commitment to a group effort — that’s what makes a team work, a company work, a society work, a civilization work.” — Vince Lombardi
AMEN Vince!
Kudos to all the caring Blinkers here who have committed to truly make that difference!
I’m sort of proud of my hometown this week; this guy was sentenced to twelve years for watching child porn on the internet:
http://www.rrobserver.com/news/local/article_0f9ec588-184b-11e0-a266-001cc4c03286.html
I was surprised to read on here that Oregon is so lax. Yikes.
10.Wayupnorth says:
January 6, 2011 at 7:30 pm
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A few pages back I asked the question about where the buses parked to drop the kids off, I mentioned it seemed awfully small parking lot to do a bunch of turning around and etc.
My point at that time and still is, exactly what you stated.
IMO, I believe the bus drivers were the witnesses to any vehicle in the back parking lot.
On another note, is there any definitive list out there of how Christopher Neil Horman places in the extended family? SGH, the wife of KSH, congratulated him, calling him “Topher.” on line.
He has a remarkable spirit and story.
http://books.google.com/books?id=WFSPRfU1U8QC&pg=PA5&lpg=PA5&dq=cristopher+horman&source=bl&ots=3xJRJvJP_Y&sig=H4V99rlIve89aYpnofsgnYii42g&hl=en
In paragraphs 6-7 in this book he refers to two deceased older brothers of 4 original brothers as well as a father in Seattle lacking any understanding of depression in a ptsd vet.
I apologise to Blink and group for organizational reference and for asking about an un case verified FB page. Please skip & scroll that one if it cant be deleted.
@ Lily 13. Doesnt relate at all. Skip and scroll! Sorry
Kimberly, Grace & Mockingbird:
You can find your character in the Oregon Offender search. I see him at Coffee Creek, they show him admitted there on 12/21 and “Earliest Release Date: Life”
You need to search on his last name in a different format; use CAMELLON-MONTALVO (with the hyphen).
I can’t link directly but you can start here: http://docpub.state.or.us/OOS/intro.jsf
This DB only works for people who are incarcerated.
@Jden… I am able to get thru to that website at 9am Portland time.
Blink
Educational question since we are on this topic..
Who would be the correct agency to report child pornography on internet?
FBI, your local office is fine.
B
It appears the website which was (down) earlier today is back online now:
http://www.sunsetpres.org/index.cfm
On May 2, 2010, 100 members of this church combined with families volunteered community clean-up at Skyline. “Ben Keefer,principal of Skyline Elementary School – where volunteers did landscaping projects, painted, cleaned out an underutilized storage area, broke apart unwieldy items for the trash and installed new benches.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/north-of-26/index.ssf/2010/05/sunset_presbyterian_volunteers_number_1600_for_wide-reaching_sunday_cleanup.html
The individual that I had looked at that was booked both on June 29th and again on December 30th caught my attention because when his name and Oregon are googled (even with out his middle name) a facebook comes up for someone with his full name, first, middle and 2 last names of an individual who seems obsessed with female body builders. Of 344 friends at least a third are female body builders, no male body builders that I noticed. The picture he has posted however does not look like the man that was arrested. The man in the picture is however holding a young child that looks very much like the 2 missing children. I also can not tie him to Oregon or anywhere else. There is another site that comes up under his name with different friends. When looking at those friends there was a friend that had 4 pictures tagged with his name and that person looks somewhat like the person that was arrested. In one of the pictures he is dancing with a young girl that could be the same age as Jamie,(you can only see her from the back) and someone is holding another child that looks very much like Ubaldo who is missing. These were tagged with the date Dec 28th, 2009. All could be co-inky. I am a little confused because yesterday on the Portland Mug shot site it appeared he was released to immigration but today it does not show that rather it shows he is still in custody in Portland. It appears he may have been originally arrested December 25th in Adams county which is close to Washington State. I can not confirm that though. The timing of his arrests, the possible female body builder obsession, his name are the things that caught my attention. Blink has said at one time that RS has another alias. I had wonder if this could be him but he looks nothing like the picture of RS we have seen. Just keeping a little focus on RS and his possible associates.