Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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Crap, I always forget,
the above post of mine is from
veromi Public directory…
Kimberly- you cannot post a random pic of a RSO and tie them to a possible crime.
There has to be a connection to this case, otherwise, believe it or not, the RSO has recourse.
B
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I realllllly wish they didn’t have rights like this,
but I got what your saying, Thanks Blink.
@riverpearl – thanks. You said “My point is, signage means little.” I totally agree. I was only thinking that if his truck did have an identifying painted company sign, it would be easier to tell the trucks apart and to tell that RS’s truck was not around the SF.
@iodizedseasalt says:
January 23, 2011 at 12:53 pm
http://www.qvc.com/qic/qvcapp.aspx/view.2/app.detail/params.CM_SCID.coll.item.E166560.desc.HP-DV7-173-6GB-RAM-640GB-HDBluray-9cell-4YrMcAfee
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Wrong link to the timeline. Poster Madilu at Hinky Meter has created the timeline. I have the pdf file. To see Madilu’s timeline you need to register with HM. There’s a lot of very interesting info regarding this case. Hope this helps.
To those of you who explained your reasons for the laser focused Hispanic sleuthing in a kind way that I can completely understand, thank you. I feel humbled at your dedication to Kyron and to Blink’s leadership/clues. Especially Zeus and Mockingbird: thank you for not being defensive and for not minimizing the feelings of others. As far as whoever (sorry I’m not scrolling back) said to get over the “White guilt”… respectfully, that’s a bit dismissive. But, moving on…
BLINK said:
Keep in mind, Rudy Sanchez spoke to a reporter, and participated in a police sting with a Federal Agent where he ADMITTED his involvement in an alleged MFH plot, in which he was expecting a $10,000 payment. I guess some opinions about how horrible he is would change if he had actually carried it out?
Good guess, B. YES, it would make all the difference in how horrible I think he is if there was an attempt made. I would like to discern whether or not he was literally INVOLVED in a MFH plot, or whether he admitted to being approached by Terri ABOUT a MFH and OFFERED $10,000. That is a HUGE dif for me. I don’t recall that he was actually caught in a MFH attempt. I would love some clarity about this. I can believe he might have referred her to someone icky but have not, up until now, thought of him as a killer or kidnapper.
Keep in mind, Rudy Sanchez spoke to a reporter, and participated in a police sting with a Federal Agent where he ADMITTED his involvement in an alleged MFH plot, in which he was expecting a $10,000 payment. I guess some opinions about how horrible he is would change if he had actually carried it out? The sleuthing that is occurring here is based on known witnesses, or possibly related persons who happen to be hispanic. Obviously that occurs regardless of nationality in many cases covered here.
B
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Is there a chance that after hours of questioning that LE got RS to admit to a MFH, and that there really was not a clear intent for an MFH either on RS’s part or TH’s part. I think that at the beginning of this case that LE was anxious to get TH into custody because they believed she was involved in KY’s abduction. I read somewhere that LE questioned DS for hours trying to get her to say she knew that TH participated in KY’s kidnapping and even threatened to have KH and DY out her to the press if she did not say what they wanted to hear.
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Not sure what you mean that the Tweet name is still connected. Is it possible that the Tweet estate owner financed the house? It also might explain why it appears that a large down payment was made. Perhaps there are two loans on the house, the owner’s note and a bank loan. Would help me if I knew how it was established that the Tweet name is still connected.
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36.riverpearl says:
January 23, 2011 at 5:34 pm
RE:MockingbirdSings says: January 22, 2011 at 11:19 pm
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Especially since the aged “Tweet” (name) is still connected.
My read on this is that RS was interrogated by LE, starting with the 911 call in May. The MFH is the story he chose to tell, either the truth or the lesser crime her was involved in. According to Blink’s sources, TH is pointing her finger at RS. Either RS fabricated the MFH plot to cover his activities and explain away the 911 call, or TH was actively pursuing the MFH which I am sure she has either denied, or made no statement.
I think we have to go in both directions on this and see what turns up. What I wonder is when the whole world knew KH was alive, how did RS or LE justify the $10,000 payment? Was it then considered hush money, or did it have something to do with Ky? How did they approach her and justify asking for the payment? And if TH was actively pursuing the MFH to the extent that a reporter can claim ‘she may have tried to hire other people,’ then is it so hard to believe that her plans went beyond the MFH?
You don’t just walk up to someone and propose MFH. IMO, you have to have knowledge that they are involved in other criminal activity to even broach the subject. The fact that TH may have tried to hire other people makes me think that she had knowledge of, or was involved in criminal activity. Question is, who else?
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Keep in mind, Rudy Sanchez spoke to a reporter, and participated in a police sting with a Federal Agent where he ADMITTED his involvement in an alleged MFH plot, in which he was expecting a $10,000 payment. I guess some opinions about how horrible he is would change if he had actually carried it out? The sleuthing that is occurring here is based on known witnesses, or possibly related persons who happen to be hispanic. Obviously that occurs regardless of nationality in many cases covered here.
B
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37.enumclawrose says:
January 21, 2011 at 3:27 pm
On June 26th, the landscaper, who is cooperating with authorities and was wearing a wire, met with Terri and an undercover officer. Police were prepared to arrest her if she implicated herself but Terri cut the conversation short.
Kaine Horman learned of the plot from investigators who said she may have tried to hire other people, too, according to sources familiar with the conversation. Terri said she was in a bad marriage and claimed that Kaine had “hurt” her, according to the sources.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html
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48.melissab says:
January 24, 2011 at 8:58 am
snip> All MOO and I had always thought that TH had some kind of relationship with BP. Maybe he was in line to do a MFH too?
I wanted to add that TH must have had knowledge of the who and how of someone’s criminal activity because she would need to “have something” on someone in order to trust them with her request.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/114483079.html
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This may have nothing to do with Kyron’s case, but I decided to post it as it has a weird connection. This just showed up on my local Seattle news (KOMO), and I’m wondering if it will end up meaning anything.
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Snipped from the article:
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) – A search for a gunman described as armed and extremely dangerous shut down schools and roads Monday in Waldport on the Oregon coast after a police officer was shot during a traffic stop in a nearby city.
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They said they also were trying to locate David Anthony Durham, the registered owner of the 1984 Dodge truck driven during the attack in Lincoln City.
Durham, 43, lives on Sauvie Island in the Portland area and was described as a white male, about 6-foot-3 and 185 pounds.
Police said they released his name and photograph to help confirm he is safe and to interview him to learn if he has information to help identify and locate the suspect, said Lt. Gregg Hastings, a state police spokesman.
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The manhunt began after the gunman drove south on U.S. 101 and was spotted and chased by Newport police, with several shots fired at officers. None were hit.
The Dodge was stopped by spike strips on the highway at Waldport, where the driver fled on foot into a wooded area. The gunman also shot at a crab fisherman on a boat in Alsea Bay, near the bridge, Newport Police Chief Mark Miranda said.
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My thoughts:
Even though Waldport is almost three hours from Portland, the man they are trying to find who owns the vehicle lives on Sauvie Island. This is not saying that Mr. Durham is guilty of shooting this police officer, someone may have hurt him and stolen his vehicle–but they do include a photo of him in the article to assist them in figuring out what happened.
The connection to Sauvie Island is what peaked my interest.
Whoever this person is, he has shot at several people and mortally wounded a police officer-he is escalating and now he is hiding and I wonder why?
family thx,
For the record, I wrote white guilt. Sorry it made you defensive. Moving on…
BLINK said:
Keep in mind, Rudy Sanchez spoke to a reporter
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I do not recall ever seeing this. Was this an interview?
Yes.
Maxine Bernstein
Sassifrass …
I was reading over at SM and saw the pics (of the 955 address) that you posted.
It looks so much different then the way I had it pictured in my mind.
Thank You for all your hard work and for sharing your info and thoughts at SM and here at BOC …
And PLEASE BE CAREFUL !!
A Sauvie Island resident shot a police officer in Lincoln City and a fisherman in Waldport, Oregon. They are still trying to find him…I’m not sure if this link will work, we’ll see.
http://democratherald.com/news/local/article_d2488cea-27d2-11e0-9d79-001cc4c03286.html
Regarding the Multnomah County Commissioners.
Alright, Ms beejay, I know you’re not here to answer, but thanks to your challenge I have done the rounds on the phone (with email followup) to the county commissioners. If anyone else is going to take up your suggestion (to contact them regarding the investigation and pressing for answers) I will pass on the most important thing I was told:
Sheriff Staton is an elected official and does not answer to Chair Cogan or the Commissioners. They do of course, approve his budget.
I did not expect to get any answers, and the only thing of unknown value that I learned is that tomorrow’s meeting with the DA has -nothing- to do with this case. That’s a bit disturbing to me, but Cogan has been meeting with Staton at least monthly (unknown what their agenda is). Oh well, made a couple new connections and have some fresh meat speakers lined up for my neighborhood assn. meetings but I don’t know that this pressure will do anything.
I do feel better for letting someone know that people out here are still watching, still waiting and want information about where our resources are being used.
Nice job evie, thank you for the information.
B
family thx says:
January 24, 2011 at 2:34 pm
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ALL information has come from RS WHO admitted expectation of payment for a criminal act that is beyond comprehension of a law abiding citizen of the USA.
HE DID NOT REPORT IT!
People do not report crimes they are involved in, because they do not want to get caught.
If they get caught they lighten their involvement by placing blame on others
Makes me wonder how involved TH was in the alleged (by RS) mfh
Enumclawrose~
I am not sure if you saw my postings RE: Tweet.
Male & female “Tweet” names show up in name &/ or Renada St.address searches.
It was after speaking w/ CCAT about sell/ purchase of Renada St house that i stated …”I lean now towards the elder Tweet woman NOT living there anymore.”
I am NOT sure if the “Twwet Trust” financed &/ or carried any “contract” w/ “O A-G”.
From experience most “Trust’s” want the money, not further “bother” of a piece of real estate.
Remember, in 2006 the RE market was still hot. RE prices were jacked up & seller’s were in control & laughing all the way to the bank.
I hope I have cleared up any confusion about elder “Tweet”.
JMHO
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River says:
January 21, 2011 at 9:58 am
Enumclawrose~ The Sanchez/Estrada web has one more tangle w/ the “Tweet” name.
Robert L Tweet died. Leaving his estate in trust. The trust SOLD the Renada St house 11/06/2006, $329,000.00
Now per Clackamas Co Assessment & Taxation, the house was bought by: Octaviano A Gomez & Octaviano Angel-Gomez. (Yes, I spoke to CCAT)
The CCAT staffer was a bit concerned w/ the “names” but looked @ other docs to verify.
Not only were the names correct but records show ALL mail from CC is sent to Renada St addy.
(As if the ‘home buyers’ live in the home)
This house is a 4bd 3ba, 3,096sq ft on a 100′x100′ lot.
Now as we all know these “names” have never “shown” on any of the searches.
I have gone around & around w/ my limited knowledge/skill of sleuthing “name”.
I have “found” “A-G. O” in Canby w/ a lot of names combos.
Now I know we have all discussed how Hispanic names get “turned” around.
Except CCAT were very firm HOW the names were on docs.
To me @ least, this shows “another” layer of “hinky” w/ the occupants of Renada St house.
I lean now towards the elder Tweet woman NOT living there anymore.
But we all know there are far to little in Ky’s case that is “solid” info/ facts.
JMHO … To infinity & beyond FOR Kyron … FOR Desiree
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enumclawrose says:
January 24, 2011 at 3:05 pm
Not sure what you mean that the Tweet name is still connected. Is it possible that the Tweet estate owner financed the house? It also might explain why it appears that a large down payment was made. Perhaps there are two loans on the house, the owner’s note and a bank loan. Would help me if I knew how it was established that the Tweet name is still connected.
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36.riverpearl says:
January 23, 2011 at 5:34 pm
RE:MockingbirdSings says: January 22, 2011 at 11:19 pm
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Especially since the aged “Tweet” (name) is still connected.
Won’t take link-look for this article on Oregon Live:
Squads of police comb Waldport neighborhoods for cop-shooter
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More info–the shooter IS believed to be David A Durham–still on the run–extremely dangerous. Here’s what family and friends said about his state of mind:
“On Friday he pulled a no-call, no-show to work. Everybody went to check on him, but nobody found him on Friday.” Cowan said, added that his coworkers are worried about him. She said Durham was never without his dog, Huckleberry, a two-year-old Australian Blue Heeler who accompanied him everywhere.
Family friends, however, say Durham has been acting strangely since he broke up with his girlfriend two weeks ago.
They say he’s been paranoid and delusional.
“He had some bizarre behavior,” said Shauna Hendgen. “He thought people were out to get him.”
Her daughter, Hannah, 17, said Durham was deeply upset by the end of his relationship. “He really loved her and would always talk about her.” She added that Durham thought the police and the FBI were out to get him.
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I wonder why he thought the police and FBI were out to get him? Was this man mentally ill and it just started recently-spurred on by the break up with his girlfriend, or was he afraid of something?
After looking at the photo, I noted the Sauvie Island connection and the mans long, dark hair. Also having a dog who was always with him-that would be a way to get a child to come with you. Could this guy be the mystery man in plaid shirt at the science fair?
Dear family thx~
I did not think I was being dismissive w/ you nor being snarky… I am sorry if you think that.
Every detail of this case is overwhelming … and still Kyron is out there … he is still gone.
I am in awe of what the many bring to BOC.
Yes, it can be mind boggling trying to keep up & follow @ times but I, who can only speak for myself, try, try to connect the dots (as TY has said are there).
It is not about finding fault of the innocent but shining the light on the guilty. Giving voice to those that are missing/ lost.
Each of us bring a different ability, we create a collective brain, so to speak.
Please, do not lose trust.
JMHO … to infinity & beyond … FOR Kyron.
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family thx says:
January 24, 2011 at 2:34 pm
… “To those of you who explained your reasons for the laser focused Hispanic sleuthing in a kind way that I can completely understand, thank you. I feel humbled at your dedication to Kyron and to Blink’s leadership/clues. Especially Zeus and Mockingbird: thank you for not being defensive and for not minimizing the feelings of others. As far as whoever (sorry I’m not scrolling back) said to get over the “White guilt”… respectfully, that’s a bit dismissive. But, moving on…” …
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riverpearl says:
January 23, 2011 at 4:45 pm
family thx~
With regard to your statement “family thx says: January 22, 2011 at 9:20 pm” …
” … I have a hard time believing that a gardener who told police about a MFH plot upon questioning, and even wore a wire is a totally horrible guy. I must be missing something because I just don’t get it. I have to say I have a hard time not reading racism into all the Mexican address/family geography sleuthing …”
It is not BECAUSE he/they are Hispanic that sleuthing is happening. It is our Blink that has told us repeatedly to LOOK @ RS & Assoc.
IF he/ they had a Jones or Smith or whatever name w/ Irish or English or whatever ethic background, we would still be doing the same searches etc.
IMO It has not “helped” that he/ they have used “possible names” that are NOT their legal names and have a “habit” of starting” & “failure to renew” businesses.
IMO he/ they have a rather tangled web & that is BEFORE you factor in the “relationship/ MFH plot” w/ TMH.
We, collective group of BOC, are trying to “connect the dots” TY said are there to see.
JMHO
Keep in mind, Rudy Sanchez spoke to a reporter, and participated in a police sting with a Federal Agent where he ADMITTED his involvement in an alleged MFH plot, in which he was expecting a $10,000 payment. I guess some opinions about how horrible he is would change if he had actually carried it out? The sleuthing that is occurring here is based on known witnesses, or possibly related persons who happen to be hispanic. Obviously that occurs regardless of nationality in many cases covered here.
B
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family thx says:
January 22, 2011 at 9:20 pm
I can hear Blink yelling (ouch!!) that Kyron DID NOT leave school with Terri. I really hear it. And believe it. What my brain and my gut tell me STILL, is that Ky left with a person of Terri’s choosing and she arranged everything, planning every last detail. There is only ONE person who confused everyone about a doctor’s appointment. There is only ONE person who hated him (per DY in presser re: hateful emails). There is only ONE person who tried to have Kaine murdered. Terri, Terri, Terri. I have a hard time believing that a gardener who told police about a MFH plot upon questioning, and even wore a wire is a totally horrible guy. I must be missing something because I just don’t get it. I have to say I have a hard time not reading racism into all the Mexican address/family geography sleuthing. I’m trying to keep an open mind but frankly, it bothers me. A lot. I’ve been trying to look into her gym connections because I think there are a cornucopia of drugs and kinky behavior amongst the body building crowd. Steroids turn normal people into hyper sexed, hyper aroused, angry, testosterone fueled demons. It’s not much of a stretch for me to see how she could’ve made her vampire connection that way. I’m not having any luck finding too much info about that specific crowd, but think it’s worth it to pursue.
Charles Manson wasn’t the one who went on a senseless killing spree that scared an entire major city. But he was the puppet master pulling the strings. Or, as we say in L.A.: what I really want to do is direct. Terri, control, Terri, control. Terri. Oh, did I mention, TERRI?
@my friend TBZ: OMG!!!! My heart raced as I read of your experience. I’m so relieved it turned out ok for you. This whole case has made me a much more fearful parent. Hypervigailance sucks.
“enumclawrose says:
January 24, 2011 at 4:22 pm
I think we have to go in both directions on this and see what turns up. What I wonder is when the whole world knew KH was alive, how did RS or LE justify the $10,000 payment? Was it then considered hush money, or did it have something to do with Ky? How did they approach her and justify asking for the payment? And if TH was actively pursuing the MFH to the extent that a reporter can claim ‘she may have tried to hire other people,’ then is it so hard to believe that her plans went beyond the MFH?”
I have puzzled over the justification question often. Did RS and LE go in with, “OK, I want the down payment, it’s set up, so give me the money.” I’m sure TH’s senses were sharp and she smelled a set up. She’s smart, she called 911.
I kind of suspect that although TH and RS did probably have some kind of lurid and criminal relationship, TH found someone else to do her murderin’
I still entertain the idea that TH planned Kyron’s kidnapping not expecting the school to call 911 immediately. The plan may have been for Kaine to accidentally get shot while delivering ransom.
JMO but TH would not be the first woman to convince her lover to off her husband, even when the lover had no prior violent criminal record. And the fact that the murder didn’t occur leads me to believe that RS either did not agree to do it, or he got cold feet. Even the promise of money could be sweet talking, after the life insurance comes through, icing on the cake. That way the MFH guy, could have his cake and eat it too. And, TH could be fairly confident that he wouldn’t give her up to LE.
Concentrating on tying in the purported MFH to KyH disappearance. I’m thinking the timing of the MFH sting would look ridiculous and be failure on its face were it not tied in to KyH disappearance. In other words, one deed is done and now I want payment for the other.
What if TmH said I don’t care what you do with the child – sell him, enslave him, just disappear him… but the husband needs to be killed (life insurance policy).
19.zeus says:
January 24, 2011 at 10:03 pm
Won’t take link-look for this article on Oregon Live:
Squads of police comb Waldport neighborhoods for cop-shooter
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@Zeus- I had the same thoughts! It’s a long shot but definitely made my antennae go up, will definitely keep an eye on the story and hope they find him soon.
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16.evie says:
January 24, 2011 at 8:19 pm
Regarding the Multnomah County Commissioners.
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@evie- TY for doing this research and sharing it. I have a bad feeling that we will not be hearing anything about Kyron in the near future unless the public raises a big stink. I fear this case had gone cold but hope I am wrong.
http://www.kgw.com/home/Lincoln-City-police-officer-critically-wounded-114481559.html
Link to SI man suspected of wounding officer. Doesn’t look like person, IMO, in Ky’s SF pic. But hey, who knows, I’m wrong lotta the time!
#13 Zeus: in addition to him breaking up w / girlfriend,
According to Sauvie Island Volunteer Fire Chief Norvin Collins, David Durham was a volunteer fire fighter for six years. He had gone inactive six months ago due to unspecified emotional problems.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Lincoln-City-police-officer-critically-wounded-114481559.html
hahaha sorry about the qvc link I was looking to buy a laptop right before loggong on tto this site and I must not have copied the hinkymeter link correctly. sorry
Respectfully, TH doesn’t necessarily have to be involved in criminal activity to “know” how to find someone for a hired hit. I’m an average looking, approching middle age woman, with a good job, my children are now grown, but we had a SO in our life. For what he did to my children, I could have had him “taken care of” with a couple of phone calls. I’m not now and never have been involved in any illegal activity, I just happen to know people who know people. In my much younger years a friend of my older brother who may not have walked the path of straight & narrow said he’d “take care of” a guy for a six-pack. This would be roughing him up & leaving him miles from help, to sort of get his attention with a promise of more to come if he ever disrespected me again, but since I was like a little sister he’d do it for free. Misguided as it was, he was serious & quite protective of me. Was someone that protective of TH & the rest a combo of smoke, mirrors & bad judgement?
justice23 says:
January 24, 2011 at 9:04 am
There is a reason Desiree and Kaine felt regret about the chat they had with Kyron about his listening issues at school.
I say this with a broken heart for them, and for Ky.
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Blink …
In other words, “be careful what you wish for …” no?
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I would like to say that we would all likely regret such a talk in a circumstance like this, but we would ALL likely have done the same thing if our child were having difficulty like that in school. However, most people have the chance to see it become a learning process over a period of time and watch their child improve, which Kyron certainly would have done.
We are deeply sorry that they did not get the opportunity to see they were not wrong to try to help him in that way. It is a normal thing for kids to need to learn, but it doesn’t happen overnight with one or a few talks, consequences, or promise of rewards. Kyron, if given a choice on June 4th, made the best choice he could with his 7 years of experience in this world.
Shelly says:
January 25, 2011 at 10:20 am
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Yes, that paragraph really got my attention too, but I forgot to include it in my post. Makes you wonder doesn’t it? So the cop shooter (David Durham) who lives on Sauvie Island, also went inactive from his volunteer fire job six months ago “due to unspecified emotional problems.”. His daughter also said that he thought the FBI and police were “out to get him”. Kyron disappeared 7 months ago.
I did and that post and what you did was awesome. You cleared things up for me, thanks. I agree with your statement re: trusts, but was trying to play with the financial structure so that what we see makes sense. I thought maybe I had missed an additional connection.
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19.riverpearl says:
January 24, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Enumclawrose~
I am not sure if you saw my postings RE: Tweet.
Male & female “Tweet” names show up in name &/ or Renada St.address searches.
It was after speaking w/ CCAT about sell/ purchase of Renada St house that i stated …”I lean now towards the elder Tweet woman NOT living there anymore.”
I am NOT sure if the “Twwet Trust” financed &/ or carried any “contract” w/ “O A-G”.
From experience most “Trust’s” want the money, not further “bother” of a piece of real estate.
Remember, in 2006 the RE market was still hot. RE prices were jacked up & seller’s were in control & laughing all the way to the bank.
I hope I have cleared up any confusion about elder “Tweet”.
JMHO
EVERYONE knew the heat was on. Of course she smelled a set up and the cops aren’t dumb, either, so how did they expect her to comply, and what would she be paying for? What are we missing here? There was a fight in May and she called the cops. As far as she would want LE to know, she had not had any communication with RS until the day of the sting, and maybe she did not, so how did they expect to get their foot in door?
Another thing that is hanging in the air for me is on June 4th after TH leaves the gym, she goes home by herself with a baby. Either she was oblivious to Ky having already been abducted, or she was in control of the situation. This is where the rubber meets the road for me regarding her involvement. If she were afraid, would she not have gone some where else or had some else with her?
22.S says:
January 25, 2011 at 12:58 am
“enumclawrose says:
January 24, 2011 at 4:22 pm
I have puzzled over the justification question often. Did RS and LE go in with, “OK, I want the down payment, it’s set up, so give me the money.” I’m sure TH’s senses were sharp and she smelled a set up. She’s smart, she called 911.
34.MockingbirdSings says:
January 25, 2011 at 12:43 pm
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Kyron, if given a choice on June 4th, made the best choice he could with his 7 years of experience in this world.
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@MBS- You have a gift with words, these ones in particular brought tears to my eyes, so true are they.
Blink, just curious…is this one of the oddest cases you have studied or worked on?
Oddest, no-
Heartbreaking and frustrating, yes.
B
MockingbirdSings~
I excluded my thoughts about when you spoke of seeing “painted full name of RS/LS” on truck side. For a brief moment I wondered IF someone could of remembered seeing ANY such advertising w/ any company @ the SF that day …? {I know, that would be too easy}
I hope you understood I wasn’t against what you were saying … it was more to do w/ how little LS businesses use perm’ signs.
I was surprised to think RS/LS would have ever had perm’ signs since he seems to prefer “the under the radar” position.
But, thank you for sharing that you have seen @ least one truck. [I was surprised & IF I had seen it, would have stopped me in my tracks]
JMHO …. to infinity & beyond … FOR Kyron.
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MockingbirdSings says:
January 24, 2011 at 11:59 am
@riverpearl – thanks. You said “My point is, signage means little.” I totally agree. I was only thinking that if his truck did have an identifying painted company sign, it would be easier to tell the trucks apart and to tell that RS’s truck was not around the SF.
enumclawrose says:
January 25, 2011 at 2:49 pm
EVERYONE knew the heat was on. Of course she smelled a set up and the cops aren’t dumb, either, so how did they expect her to comply, and what would she be paying for?
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the MFH sting actually goes in TH’s favor … not only did she call 911 … but she can claim she thought RS was there to extract a ransom $$$ for the taking of Ky.
BINGO, Puzz. That’s what I’m talking about. There had to have been something beyond MFH in the works that night, right? KH was alive and well. Sure, it could be a down payment, but who would make such a transaction when all eyes were upon them? LE didn’t expect her to fall into that trap, did they? It makes more sense that he went there for ransom or some other transaction.
If my son was missing and the kidnapper was at the door, I would say how much, take everything I got and if that’s not enough I’ll find more. Not sure I would call 911 and scare him off, right? I just don’t know what to make of it all, but there has to be more to the sting than what we have been told. Maybe she had a police scanner of her own in the house.
36.puzzled says:
January 25, 2011 at 5:31 pm
enumclawrose says:
January 25, 2011 at 2:49 pm
EVERYONE knew the heat was on. Of course she smelled a set up and the cops aren’t dumb, either, so how did they expect her to comply, and what would she be paying for?
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the MFH sting actually goes in TH’s favor … not only did she call 911 … but she can claim she thought RS was there to extract a ransom $$$ for the taking of Ky.
Correction to my last post, KH was alive, I’m sure he was not well.
“enumclawrose says:
January 25, 2011 at 2:49 pm
EVERYONE knew the heat was on. Of course she smelled a set up and the cops aren’t dumb, either, so how did they expect her to comply, and what would she be paying for? What are we missing here?”
I can only guess LE went ahead understanding fully it was a long shot to get information about Kyron’s whereabouts. I believe they are pretty convinced a MFH had been discussed and must have something other than RS’s word to support it.
“There was a fight in May and she called the cops. As far as she would want LE to know, she had not had any communication with RS until the day of the sting, and maybe she did not, so how did they expect to get their foot in door?”
I think TH calls the cops whenever she gets in deep. I’m still waiting for word on her attorney’s getting the 911 recordings since 12/26/09.
“Another thing that is hanging in the air for me is on June 4th after TH leaves the gym, she goes home by herself with a baby. Either she was oblivious to Ky having already been abducted, or she was in control of the situation. This is where the rubber meets the road for me regarding her involvement. If she were afraid, would she not have gone some where else or had some else with her?”
This is exactly the issue which always ruined for me the idea that TH’s racing around in panic mode pinging away on towers around SI was because she was scared for her and Kiara’s lives! The idea that bad guys (RS & Assoc) took Ky because she owed money for drugs or whatever was not too difficult to imagine happening until she GOES HOME.
Working back from here several things pop out at me.
It has been reported as fact that TH was deceptive with respect to her whereabouts on the morning of June 4th.
Andrea Leckey said it was unusual (not quoting) that TH went to such lengths to show her a pic of Ky in front of his SF project.
TH parked in a very unusual spot at Skyline Elementary. She parked at the entrance to the access road, blocking it, on a rainy morning when she had to carry Kiara up to the school entrance when there were closer spots available.
TH parked a long way from the entrance at FM1, on a rainy morning when she had to carry Kiara.
A witness or witnesses reported seeing someone in the proximity of Kaine’s truck.
There was a mix up about a doctor’s appointment.
Although Kyron did not leave the school with TH, the above issues indicate to me that she was not blindsided by Ky’s disappearance.
It is possible that TH wanted to get lots of exercise on that Fri AM, so she parked far away from all doors so she had to walk. It is possible that she is just scatter-brained and forgetful about what country roads she has driven and perhaps the teacher is deaf in one ear but prefers to lie about it.
Separately, all the issues can be explained away, but when dumped in the same bag, wellm as has been said before, TH would have to be the unluckiest person in the world to have a bunch of innocent behaviors look that bad.
I had a very interesting conversation with a lady that sponsers a children’s swim team here in town. We started to talking about her having to have a back ground check down evey month and how she really found it annoying, but figured it was best to err on the side of caution. Our conversation turned to Kyron and I was telling this lady about how he disappeared from school, during a science fair where there was a lot of folks milling about, landscapers and other folks contracted out by the school board for work needing to be down. How these workers wouldn’t have had background checks and could have been anybody coming in there like that, she was very upset and decided to go to the next meeting and bring up the people they contract out and demand that back ground checks be run on them as well as the staff. She left and I thought….Well Kyron buddy, maybe something good could come out of this.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers, sister, friends and classmates
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE… background checks are great AND yes, they should be run on ANYBODY that has contact with children. HOWEVER, of all the various criminals out there, sex offenders are the smoothest, most convincing people you will EVER meet. Career SO’s often have no previous arrest history! Pedofiles are calculating and observant. They are PREDATORS and this how they keep getting away with thier hobby (and that’s all it is to them)!
If you get that “ick” feeling about somebody, ALWAYS trust it (think what you might have to lose if you don’t?)
PLEASE, don’t rely on a background check to protect your child. Only you can ensure they are protected. Don’t let a background check give you a false sense of security regarding your childrens safety.
Unfortunately, in my line of work I have experience with SO’s (young and old) and these skills of blending in and manipulation are the same in a 10 year old as they are in a 60 year old.
Agree. So how does the undercover DEA and RS make the request for MFH $$ and tie that into Ky’s whereabouts. It has been implied that she may have tried to hire other people. Did she try to hire them to kill KH or did it have to do with Ky? That is the only place I can go to tie this all together.
Someone at Intel in the know told me on this blog that the water cooler scuttlebutt was that she sold him. Could she have sold Ky to get the money for the MFH? Maybe that is why KH is trying to pin her down in court on the money. Maybe everyone thinks she was paid for Ky and as soon as he disappeared, that was the cue for RS to collect the down payment on the MFH.
Geezzz, that sounds so off the wall, but I am going to post it anyway, so someone will come up with a better sceanrio as to how these two events tie together.
39.S says:
January 25, 2011 at 9:31 pm
snip> I can only guess LE went ahead understanding fully it was a long shot to get information about Kyron’s whereabouts.
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My gut take on this is it is something against KH. She seems to have some small amount of leverage and I am not sure where it is coming from. Remember in the article I recently quoted where she claims KH “hurt” her.
S says:
I think TH calls the cops whenever she gets in deep. I’m still waiting for word on her attorney’s getting the 911 recordings since 12/26/09.
27.Idahogal says:
January 25, 2011 at 9:35 am
19.zeus says:
January 24, 2011 at 10:03 pm
Won’t take link-look for this article on Oregon Live:
Squads of police comb Waldport neighborhoods for cop-shooter
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@Zeus- I had the same thoughts! It’s a long shot but definitely made my antennae go up, will definitely keep an eye on the story and hope they find him soon.
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Yes, Yes, Yes, I too am watching this story like a hawk.
Lots of coincidences, including a white truck in his driveway.
UGH, I hope they find this man soon.
Keep in mind, this is hearsay — TMH is still in Roseburg, spending most of her entire day(s) working out at the local YMCA (every day), taking yoga classes (etc). Doesn’t talk with many, if anyone at all, very “blank” appearance. For whatever it’s worth.
**Please find justice for this precious boy**
I am bringing back some of these old posts to see if and why we have gone off track. Hope that’s okay, but with no new news, and really great stuff, we can maybe see things in a different light, I hope some will find it worthwhile.
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From Blinkoncrime: Kyron Horman Case: The Path From Suspect to Defendant is Forged
In an Exclusive development to blinkoncrime.com, a Portland local, declining to be identified, provides the bombshell revelation that Terri Horman was behind the 5:16PM call to 911 last June 26th.
The object of her “threat based” call to 911 requiring officers response?
The Landscaper, in his white truck, on her property, demanding his payment for $10,000.
The same Portland source confirmed that an undercover detective, playing the role of an associate of the landscaper turned alleged assassin, was present. It was also confirmed a bulk of the incident was overheard on the police scanner. The Truck registration and plate were called in on an open channel as well.
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Panda says:
September 10, 2010 at 6:07 pm
I’m thinking that RS was probably not at all involved in the abduction and doesn’t know what happened to Ky. The sting was a set-up to find Ky’s location so RS didn’t know it. RS probably took a polygraph and has been cleared of, at least, knowing Ky’s location. Believe that RS negotiated a deal to stay free and, perhaps, included brother/brother-in-arms Sanchez-Sanchez in the deal. But all he could give up on TH was the MFH.
Please Blink — another hint — am not getting Chief Margie at all.
RS is absolutely involved in the mfh plot, period. Whether or not he is involved in what happened to Kyron, remains to be seen, my money says absolutely. People do NOT openly admit to felonies that will land their ass in Fed pen for no reason, and it is mostly because it is what we call a “lesser included.”
Chief Margie= Chief Marge in Fargo
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Rollermonkey…I think my point is that a little boy who disappeared in Oregon is making a swim team sponser in Kentucky rethink how the people that work with “her” kids are checked. No way am I suggesting that parents leave the protection of their children up to swim coaches, baseball coaches etc.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers, sister, friends and classmates.
@35. 36. The sting outcome was inevitable, calling 911 on RS AGAIN, because KH was not in the house so she’d feel safe going to the door and he had been arguing, bitter, and accusatory (“I know you’re upset, but,” she wrote him). Moreover, he was, unusually, gone with Kitty after that fighting. Might have had a different outcome if he’d stayed watching TV in the family room and managed to string her along ( I or anyone would do same in his shoes). However, given her status with KH & aloneness, why wouldn’t she call 911, just like the last time? Maybe the MCSO didnt know about the May 911, but the press said she pointed them to RS early on. Maybe he’d also been stalking her.
I thought the $10,000 was extortion for not informing on the solicitation, which would have garnered an admission itself
RICHMOND, Va. — A Virginia legislator is proposing castrating sex offenders as an alternative to the increasing costs to detain and treat them after they’ve served their prison sentences.
Republican Sen. Emmett Hanger’s bill would require the state to study the use of physical castration as an alternative to civil commitment for sexually violent predators. A similar proposal was vetoed four years ago.
The civil commitment program’s budget grew from $2.7 million in 2004 to $24 million this year. Gov. Bob McDonnell has proposed spending nearly $70 million over the next two years to meet the increasing demands.
Hanger’s bill also would require study of the crimes that qualify for commitment, the process and housing options for those who leave the program.
Found some disturbing information on a study done a few years back.
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This translates to 93 sex offenders and 12 serial sexual offenders coming across U.S. borders illegally per day. The 1500 offenders in this study had a total of 5,999 victims. Each sex offender averaged 4 victims. This places the estimate for victimization numbers around 960,000 for the 88 months examined in this study.
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http://usbordernarcoticsintelligence.wordpress.com/sex-crimes/
Sorry, wanted to include this snip also
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There was an especially disturbing finding that in 22% of all sex crimes committed by illegal immigrants, victims with physical and mental disabilities were targeted. These disabled victims were each under age 18. In those cases, the perpetrators knew their victims.
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http://usbordernarcoticsintelligence.wordpress.com/sex-crimes/
If it was hush money, then how did RS explain the new guy?
48.Rose says:
January 26, 2011 at 8:37 am
I thought the $10,000 was extortion for not informing on the solicitation, which would have garnered an admission itself