Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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The last search on Sauve Island included 4 dozen divers and support with the use of sonar.
I was curious as to what body recovery sonar would be able to pick up and how it worked. It took me a while to understand what was going on, so I’m only writing about it now.
In the early 1970s commercial side scans were being used to look for downed aircraft, vessels, cars and other items of interest. Although good for detecting larger targets, the older systems were lower in frequency and limited in their display resolution, and as such they lacked the ability to detect a body.
Today’s’ high frequency scanning and side scan sonars now have the resolution required to detect a body, and are routinely used for this type of application
The use of sonar and its applicability to this type of search program will be dependent upon many factors. This paper examines the advantages – and limitations – of using scanning and side scan sonar for body detection.
This is what two divers retrieving a body looks like on sonar.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p145/idigweed/1-1.jpg
With all underwater search programs there are several questions that need to be resolved. When answers to the following questions are determined early in the search planning stages, a host of potential headaches will be avoided. Questions include:
1. Body size/what was the person wearing
2. Who says it is there?
3. Size of the search area?
4. Water depth?
5. Bottom topography?
6. Local Conditions?
7. Availability of on-site logistical support?
Body Size:
Body size must be determined to calculate the required optimum range scale that can be used for the search. A full-grown man can be detected against a low acoustic reflective bottom (such as soft mud) at ranges to 50 metres (typically). A small child will require the searcher to use a shorter-range scale. Always assume that you will have to search for the smallest dimension of the body, which will be the victim’s shoulder width.
Skeletal remains will be extremely difficult if not nearly impossible to acoustically detect and interpret under any circumstance!
Knowing what the person was wearing is important as work boots, heavy cloths, and LE may offer a target with higher acoustic reflectivity. Clothing colour(I’m Canadian so it’s colour, not color) will also be important if an underwater TV camera is used to check a potential target.
So skeletal remains will be almost impossible to detect with sonar. I wonder what the rate of decomposition is on Sauvie Island?
First of all lets get one popular misconception out of the way. Decomposition rates are slowed in the water not accelerated. Having said that it has been 5.5 months since Kyrons disappearance.
Sauvie Island Community Association said that the water in the area is at least 50 degrees F through out the summer. Warmer in some areas and cooler in others. The water temperature depends on current, air temperature and depth of course.
The thing that puzzles me most is the fact that five to eight days after death and placed in the water the bodies gases that fill the lungs normally make the body float. In this case it didn’t. It is possible though that after the lungs fill up they can ‘deflate’ and sink again after a few days. This explains the constant presence by LE. Kaine Horman said on his website that he was “very thankful” to the searchers who have been spending their weekends and the “days in between”.
I think it is important to also point out that hair with skeletal remains in water over 50 degrees 50-365 days after death, generally. No flesh, just hair.
In conclusion, it is my opinion that when looking on Sauvie Island, the only plausible explanation would be that they were looking for a container.
The likelihood of finding skeletal remains with sonar is extremely remote. The fact that Kyron was only seven years old when missing makes this more unlikely. When LE asked for additional funds for the search, LE sounded fiscally responsible. I doubt LE would have four dozen divers there with sonar when there is almost no chance of succeeding in finding the boy.
The only plausible answer is a container. Looking for a container at this stage would make sense. Large enough to encase a seven year old boy it would be a lot easier to pick up on sonar. In fact it’s the only thing that makes sense. Looking for a murder weapon or evidence using sonar is virtually a waste of time. Looking for bones is a waste of time. What’s left?
Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions. Instead of asking ‘who’ was near the truck. I am more curious as to ‘what’ was near the truck. What was in the cab area?
Links and Books that helped me come to my conclusion:
Payne, J.A. (1965). “A summer carrion study of the baby pig sus scrofa Linnaeus”. Ecology 46: 592-602.
“Decay Process of a Cadaver”. In A. Schmidt, E. Cumha, J. Pinheiro. Forensic Anthropology and Medicine. Humana Press. pp. 85-116.
Quigley, C. (1998). Modern Mummies: The Preservation of the Human Body in the Twentieth Century. McFarland. pp. 213–214.
http://etd.lib.ttu.edu/theses/available/etd-07012008-31295019476919/unrestricted/31295019476919.pdf — STANDARDIZED DECOMPOSITION RATES OF HUMAN REMAINS
http://firechief.com/rescue/body_recovery_0908/
http://gralston1.home.mindspring.com/Sidescan.html (side scan sonar)
Lent, K (2002). “Very High Resolution Imaging Diver Held Sonar”. Report to the Office of Naval Research. http://archive.rubicon-foundation.org/7497. Retrieved 2008-08-11
22.Malty says:
November 17, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Losing a child changes a person
I lost a child my sister lost a child and two close friends lost children
none of are the same people today
it just happens that way
Prayers for all these people. This is truly sad
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My daughter lost her son (my grandson) when he was 20 years old (drinking and driving). It is a lifechanging event.
To all who had questions/remarks/ & everything in between about my post to Idahogal:
I NEVER said “body bag”, “recovery of body” -or- some version of any of that.
I have included postings that were about the SI search @ the time I made my remark:
-“there appears” there were “some things” “collected” in the dives @ SI. No public accounting of “items” but were seen “covered up/ tarped”.[Lindstrom MCSO spoke person "They found nothing of note- that they can tell us about".]
As all can see, “there APPEARS” “some THINGS” “COLLECTED”. “ITEMS” seen “COVERED UP/TARPED”.
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MCSO Lindstrom “They found nothing of note-that they can tell us about”
Nancy had said, “Seems they were not necessarily just looking for Kyron but for other evidence as well. ”
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Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Lt. Mary Lindstrand chose words carefully.
‘They’re looking for ITEMS, I can’t give the specifics and have to be careful in what I say here,’ she said.
What I had seen on video was “items/things” that had been “collected” but were “covered/ tarped”. I could not locate the video (shot of the open back SUV type vehicle) on-line when Idahogal asked me for it. But I did find the other clip.
I had wanted to watch the video again, to see if I could recognize what WERE ANY of the “ITEMS”.
My post was in the stream of WHAT was being discussed w/the SI search/ dives.
When a poster pulls a portion of someone’s post out of context it can create a lot of mis-understanding & confusion,
I extend my apology to all who jumped into the vortex. For what it is worth, I was right there with you —I could not understand what happen to my post to create such an uproar.
I hope this clears the air & answers all questions.
Thanks.
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November 16, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Idahogal~
Sorry I have not gotten back to you sooner.I was not avoiding your question, just cannot find what I saw before … but did find this clip: notice the truck bed @ ~2:01.
Also w/ the MCSO spoke person Lindstrand comment of “found nothing of note that she can tell us about”, is a rather odd statement. She could have said “no comment” &/ or “nothing recovered” IF there was NOTHING found. Does that make sense ?
[When I posted, I had things swirling in my head w/ Desiree interview/comments on the Today Show & not being on my computer I had no way to copy/paste etc., I just scribbled stream of "OMG' thoughts. I probably should have walk away w/ my thoughts/comments sooner ... and than hearing KH, again discount Desiree ... I am wound too tight just now]
When I saw your post I cringed a little because I was hoping others had seen the same/ or similar things. I had an after thought that maybe I should have posted “private” to Blink.
IF what I saw “re-surfaces” I will post.
JMHO
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Divers-seek-Kyron-clues-in-Sauvie-Island-waters/i0AuhogHAE-JJBsG6ia1zA.cspx
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Idahogal says:
November 15, 2010 at 11:51 am
@riverpearl- Do you have a link for this statement or is it something you heard on the news? I haven’t heard or read anything about items covered up or under a tarp. TIA.
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Riverpearl says:
November 15, 2010 at 8:43 am
… And Blink “there appears” there were “some things” “collected” in the dives @ SI. No public accounting of “items” but were seen “covered up/ tarped”.[Lindstrom MCSO spoke person "They found nothing of note- that they can tell us about".]
They used sonar (those were the paid individuals) & had 8 different dive teams.
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Nancy says:
November 15, 2010 at 12:46 am Interesting information from KGW about the search this weekend: http://www.kgw.com/home/related/newkyronsearch-107821564.html
“Searchers used sophisticated sonar mapping equipment over the weekend. Why sonar?
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Lt. Mary Lindstrand chose words carefully.
‘They’re looking for items, I can’t give the specifics and have to be careful in what I say here,’ she said.
‘They are using the sonar to see if there’s something they need to check.’
Divers went into the water if the sonar picked up a signal worthy of investigation.
‘The visibility in the canal is at best three feet today,’ Cottle said. ‘And as soon as you make a pass, your next next pass is silted up and even worse.’
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Seems they were not necessarily just looking for Kyron but for other evidence as well.
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Sammy says:
November 14, 2010 at 7:09 pm
Interesting comments made by MCSO spokesman concerning the Dive Team efforts this weekend.
I’ve heard from many locals about how murky the water can be, so no big surprise that sonar has been brought in by LE/SAR agencies.
But this …
Reporter says that Lt Mary Lindstrand “chose her words carefully.” “They’re looking for ITEMS, I can’t give specifics and have to be careful in what I say.
” I just keep hoping and praying that some new info has brought this large scale Dive Team search this weekend.
Perhaps a specific tip about an particular item or in certain area from someone who has recently come forward?
Lt Lindstands hesitantly wanting to chose her words carefully … the specific mention of “searching for items” are more than we usually hear after these searches.
The “I can’t give specifics” comment sounds like they are definitely looking for something specific.
This weekend was a BIG search effort – reported that SAR/LE from 8 different agencies MANY divers in the water both yesterday and today.
I realize that the comments made by Lt Lindstrand aren’t much … but certainly seems to be a lot more then local LE usually says about any searches they do. (the usual line is “just following up/etc)
God Bless all SAR and LE involved in this heartbreaking and difficult work to find Kyron..
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“Searchers used sophisticated sonar mapping equpment over the weekend. Why sonar?
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Lt. Mary Lindstrand chose words carefully.
“They’re looking for items, I can’t give the specifics and have to be careful in what I say here,” she said.
“They are using the sonar to see if there’s something they need to check.” Divers went into the water if the sonar picked up a signal worthy of investigation.”
41.Idahogal says:
November 17, 2010 at 5:17 pm
@Kimberly- I hope you don’t think I was picking on you, I think you are adorable and enjoy your posts.
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Nope, it’s all good!!!!!!
Do the Horman’s only have 2 vehicles? Wanted to be absolutely sure that Kaine was in possession of the mustang that morning.
Regarding everyone’s comments about us taking Kaine’s word for anything about Terri. No, I don’t absolutely and blindly believe everything Kaine says about Terri, but Terri’s own actions after Kyron was missing told me what I needed to know about her feelings for Kyron.
If we believe Terri is capable of the MFH for Kaine, shouldn’t we consider that she could have done the same for Kyron? Perhaps her plan all along was to get rid of Kyron and then get rid of Kaine. Her motive? All of the marital property and life insurance for only her and Kitty.
It’s hard to say who Kyron left the school with, and if LE knew (and had proof) I think there would have already been an arrest.
Back to the beginning for me…
All of my comments/questions/opinions to follow are from opinions or statements I have read or heard since June 4th.
Kyron did not leave the school with RS but he did leave with someone he knew and it wasn’t Terri. Kyron must have known this individual outside of school to trust them.
Is the headless lumberjack and unidentified male chaperone one in the same?
Kyron’s abductor is an associate of RS?
The groundskeeper saw an adult and children outside the school looking at the outdoor gardens.
Boot prints were found by Kyron’s classroom and the outside door that does not have a camera?
Kyron was seen outside by a truck that looked like or was Kaine’s which Terri was driving that day. There was a passenger in this white truck.
Terri was notified of Kyron’s abduction early and possibly when she returned to her truck to leave the school via note the morning of June 4th.
She was blindsided by Kyron’s abduction meaning she did not plan it, participate or want this to happen even though she “hated Kyron”
If Terri had been notified of Kyron’s abduction why did she not report it?
Did Terri notify Kaine earlier that day? – might explain the red mustang zooming around with a white truck.
Desiree stated “Kyron saw it all” saw what? Did he witness something on June 4th outside the school? Or did he witness or was a victim of sexual abuse or another crime? Is this what triggered his abduction before he went to spend the summer with his mother?
Or was Kyron’s abduction the result of a MFH gone sour? If so then I don’t think the abductor knew Kyron was Terri’s stepson.
Could Kaine and Terri been involved in illegal activites and Kyron’s abduction is directed at both of them?
When LE stated that Kristian Horman was part of the investigation was there more to that statement than the emails Terri sent his wife?
Are the release of emails or knowledge of and all the other Terri bashing by Kaine & Desiree a way of trying to get Terri to say “OKAY I DIDN”T DO IT BUT SO & SO DID PLEASE STOP I CAN”T TAKE IT ANYMORE I DON’T CARE IF I GO TO JAIL FOR ??? OR THAT THEY THREATENED ME NOT TO TELL BUT I DIDN”T HURT KYRON”.
I just want this boy found!
@nora says:
November 17, 2010 at 9:18 pm
Okay, I’ll bite.
Blink, did Kyron leave with AS-S?
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Nora, I believe that Blink has stated unequivocally that AS-S COULD NOT have been there on the day of Kyron’s abduction. I’ve assumed she’s suggesting he was in prison on that day, but there again… something is very hinky about his prison records.
A third party was involved. Someone we–the general public–don’t know yet. Blink says she thinks he’s going to be the kind of guy that sticks out like a sore thumb (like the school bathroom guy in Nebraska, according to earlier poster here), in retrospect. Someone who clearly had a few screws loose. How he connects with TMH and LS is anyone’s guess–but somehow the pieces are going to come together.
I don’t think we’re going to have any clue who this person was until LE starts releasing info. That’s assuming they have a suspect. And, gosh, I really hope they do.
please bear with me, I have not read every thread here and can see that sometimes someones speculation grows into a repeated “factoid”. It has been suggested the KH & TH were of the “swing set” and also mentioned that KH declined to say how/where he met TH. I’m wondering if the “show” has nothing to do with bodybuilding (as she had a long way to go to be in THAT kind of shape)but rather something a little less savory.
Let me disclaim this right now. I don’t actually believe this upcoming theory for one minute. And I will apologize in advance to all the Kaine-sympathizers for what I am about to write. But I’ve been trying to look at alternate ideas for what may have happened to Kyron and something isn’t sitting right with me about Kaine. I suspect he is very smart, very controlling, and a little off center emotionally himself (like attracts like, right?). Even his comment that TH was a master of deception, IMO, reveals his incredibly large ego. So to pull the wool over his eyes, one must be a master of deception? That statement disclaims any of his own responsibility for Kyron’s well being. She did it all–she is completely to blame. And he is in charge of his dissemination of info inside and outside the divorce proceedings. He is in control. So, what if his bulldog-like grip on TH’s reputation is a smoke screen?
What if . . .
TH told Kaine, you have to let Kyron go to live with DY? What if he said, hell no. Then what if TH said, you have to chose between Kyron and me/Kitty. And Kain said, hell no. And then, what if Th shrugged and went back to Facebook and what if Kaine devised a plan to ensure he would get sole custody of Kitty by making it look like TH attempted to harm Kyron. But then something went terribly wrong.
I know this idea/theory is more than a little ludicrous and I don’t mean to be disrespectful to a grieving father, so pull the claws back, kitties. But I don’t trust Kaine any more than I trust TH. I think they are more alike than Kaine will ever admit. My mind and my gut are just getting a little hung up in the webs that Kaine has been weaving. Something in the mix is refusing to blend, if you know what I mean.
Okay, after reading the whites-around-the-iris theory, I suddenly feel less ludicrous. I guess it really is all relative, isn’t it?
39.DesertGirl says:
November 17, 2010 at 4:59 pm
3.Camsmom says:
November 17, 2010 at 12:14 pm
“Work your magic GOD and bring Kyron home to his mom and dad”
With all due respect, and I may get booted after posting this, but if [G]od works magic, why did he or she let this happen in the first place? What kind of god would (a) let this happen and then (b) work magic to solve it?
God doesn’t harm children, bad people do.
What is going on here today? Seriously?
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THANK YOU BLINK!
That statement just about knocked me out of my chair this morning! Desertgirl, I assume when you get up out of bed in the morning, you decide what your going to wear, eat for breakfast, go to work, and weather you plan on harming/killing someone that day.Your decisions are yours and yours alone. People make their own choices. GOD gave us that right, we are not robots, we chose weather to do right or wrong, and sooner or later, we WILL have to answer for our actions. My beliefs and opinions only, but this comment was uncalled for.
Fwiw, I do not feel it was malicious, I think perhaps someone needed a faith booster.
I really want to stay away from religious discussion, it is deeply personal and it never goes well.
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Idahogal,
I hope you understand that while I agree to a CERTAIN degree on what you said, we STILL differ in opinion — quite a bit. That is critical to point out, which you did not do. I believe that if someone wants to be abusive, they will be abusive no matter what the therapy, while others just don’t have it in them to be abusive. Big difference.
Furthermore, it is right along with what you further stated about alcoholics and drug addicts in that it is unfair to lump them all into one category, when frankly, not all alcoholics and drug addicts are the same. There must be SOMETHING innate within them that would make them different, so to speak. Interestingly, your opinion on this is more inline with my opinion on abusive behavior.
Mother Hen says:
November 17, 2010 at 5:38 pm
@Mother Hen-Well said, I’m so glad you understood my point. Abuse can be a vicious cycle but with the right tools and awareness it can be stopped.
Three red flags dropped for me, at Kaine’s recent pc.
1) the red mustang … to the casual observer, it’s just a car … but Kaine is driving this car in hopes of people recognizing it … his blatant way of flaunting that he has taken away something that once belonged to Terri … much like his withholding baby K.
2) claiming that baby K doesn’t miss her mother … although Kaine admits she does miss her brother. Kaine cannot possibly know what this baby is feeling … but is attempting to rid Terri from baby’s life and is dismissive of baby having any feelings of loss of her mother … we’ve witnessed dismissive from him before.
And
3) referring to his wife as “it” … Kaine is beginning to dehumanize the object of his hate… not good.
Whaazupwitchu says:
November 18, 2010 at 1:06 am
LE is looking for someone Blink said. It is not RS, AS is in custody so they shouldn’t be looking there! Elsy disappeared in May, so she couldn’t have taken him, but they ARE looking for her and kids.
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Circumstances: Jamie and Ubaldo were allegedly abducted by their mother, Elsy Mejia-Sanchez, on May 19, 2010. A felony warrant for Custodial Interference was issued for Elsy on July 27, 2010.
This is the only info I have on when Elsy disappeared. The May 19 date is fuzzy without more proof. No one was looking for her before July 27. They could have gone missing any time between those two dates.
I am thinking they went missing somewhere around June 5. No one is looking for them other than Portland PD.
puzzled says:
November 17, 2010 at 6:40 pm
(snipped)
Here’s my conflict … I’m sure Bunch and Houze have counter arguments against Kaine’s allegations. Why are they not being used? Apparently, Kaine is refusing any kind of offer to get divorced now and is sticking to the demands made by his attorney… or else his allegations must be declared “true” by the court.
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In KH petition (line 14,15,16,17)
I asked Respondent repeatedly for answers regarding her whereabouts on June 4, 2010 and Kyron’s location. During those conversations, she never expressly denied to me her involvement in Kyron’s disappearance, though she has subsequently denied her involvement to law enforcement. She did not answer my questions, and provided no explanations.
“she has subsequently denied her involvement to law enforcement”
She has denied her involvement to law enforcement, Law enforcement has told KH she denied it. And Law enforcement has not brought forth any other information legally disputing her statement is false.
So wouldn’t the court see that as a statement of fact? IDK.
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/petition.PDF
@puzzeled -im always keeping up with your comments, most the time my response would be “ditto” to what you have stated.
RE: riverpearl says @
November 18, 2010 at 10:50 am
To all who had questions/remarks/ & everything in between about my post to Idahogal
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As one of those who jumped into the fray in regards to your posts with Idahogal, I just wanted you to know that I always enjoy your posts and observations – even if I manage to mangle them!
Idahogal,
To make my point even MORE CLEAR, you can add to your list below that alcoholics are CLASSICLY deemed, abusers. But I think you agree that not ALL have the ability / desire to be that way. I certainly get that from what I read below
AND thank you for agreeing with ME! LMAO.
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Idahogal said:
With all due respect to everyone here – I’m getting offended by the generalizations being made about alcoholics/addicts here. I respect your opinions of the alcoholics/addicts in your lives that hurt you and/or others, but please don’t assume that everyone is the same. There are a lot of us around that are good, decent, responsible and caring people that overcame something very difficult. The alcohol or drugs tend to exacerbate whatever issues, problems, etc., that the person already has. When someone says “Alcoholics are liars” or “it is never their fault” or this or that, well that’s a pretty big net to cast on everyone that has/had a problem and is not fair. It is more accurate to say “Some alcoholics” or “The alcoholic I knew” did this or that. I hope that makes sense.
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I agree that genarlizations are just that, I would like us to stick to as much as the facts as possible.
I have never struggled with an addiction, with the exception of McD double cheeseburgers once a day when I was pregnant with Blinkette, but I certainly have known some who have and it is heartbreaking. I will never forget the time my Daddy threw a gas can through the garage window because I used all the gas in it for the 50th time because I was too freakin lazy to put gas in my car at the pump as a teen..
I laugh now because as a result I am one of those freaks who never lets my tank go below half or I get hives. I cannot tell you how many “friendly marital discussions” Mr.. Blink and I have had over his apparent allergy to same, lol.
DO NOT judge my DD, he was quitting smoking cold turkey because my Mom quit while on a business trip when the senior management asked the employees who were smokers and my Mom was the only one who raised her hand to tell the truth, although all her colleagues did.
She was mortified so she came home from that trip sans butts and told my DD after 5 days of teenage daughters angst on his own, that he was quitting immediately if not sooner. G O O D T I M E S.
Personally, I think blaming “influences” is a crock.
I know my share of assclown bullies who do not need a drink or pill to be abusive.
Bullies a/k/a abusers will find the way/method/vehicle to bully or be abusive, sadly, it is part of their ID.
Point is, behavior defines the profile, actual exhibited behavior, and since none of us are direct witnesses, we need to keep that in check..
Footnote: The Parents Blink successfully quit smoking all those years ago, and I am told that my sit-in with a paint respirator over my face at the dinner table had no bearing…
@ 47.loreli48 says:
November 18, 2010 at 9:12 am
Re: Your son..
I think your post is very sweet. I too am a mother of a boy that looks like Kyron. He is 3 years old. Seeing Kyron’s pictures from when he was a toddler.. its as if I’m seeing pictures of my son. that smile, those eyes… It breaks my heart to know that Kyron is not home yet. It makes me sad, angry, and just a bundle of other feelings that I cannot put into words to know… Kyron is out there, and he came upon this horrible fate.
I know how you feel about your son, 100%. Do you know, my little guy told me one day…”Mommy, I promise you Kyron is going to come home.” Yep, 3 years old. And he asks God everyday to please bring Kyron home to his Mommy and Daddy.
Even though we – as adults – are responsible for teaching our youngster… I believe the world would be a better place if adults would stop to take the time to learn from children. Innocence. Trust. Goodness. Kindness.
God be with you, Kyron. You are in the hearts of many, always. We love you. We will NEVER forget you. Desiree and Kaine, I will NEVER stop hoping and praying for Kyron.
Cassie S:
She cut most of my original post out. To read the whole post see 4.Camsmom says:
November 17, 2010 at 12:14 pm
I never meant to offend anyone, I am sorry if I did.
-Karri
I am not sure who that is to, but I did not edit any posts.
B
SAR has been looking on land (“bones; we’re looking for bones”) and in waters of all depths on Sauvie Island.
They might be looking for the same thing in both places (that is, body parts).
Or, they might be looking for 2 different things: body; and tools/equipment used in the process. (my thought is the tools/equipment would be hard to get rid of, and might well be put in a container–even a duffel bag and heavy enough to stay sunk on their own, or some weights tossed in the bag/container as well)
The container could contain either.
Wasn’t gonna bring this up till weeds posted his stuff. But, I’ve known of crimes in the past where–WARNING: DO NOT READ THIS UNLESS YOU ARE PREPARED TO READ SOMETHING AWFUL–
ok, where the internal organs, which contain the most bacteria, and therefore cause the body to surface, are removed. Usually decapitated and limbs removed. I know I’m not explaining it well, but I finally found something in writing that explains it a bit. Here’s the link:
http://www.slate.com/id/2126310/
Blink said
Personally, I think blaming “influences” is a crock.
I know my share of assclown bullies who do not need a drink or pill to be abusive.
Bullies a/k/a abusers will find the way/method/vehicle to bully or be abusive, sadly, it is part of their ID.
I agree!
Thanks for the giggle on the personal brought back some childhod memories!
Lol I called Blink Sr, and he feigns no memory of it- how funny is that?
B
Twinkletoes: I don’t blame you one bit for submitting your theories about Kaine and prefacing the whole thing with a huge disclaimer. (“Let me disclaim this right now. I don’t actually believe this upcoming theory for one minute.”)
Okay, I won’t throw tomatoes, I promise. But since you put a theory out there, I will respond…
You started off by saying, “I suspect he [Kaine] is… a little off center emotionally himself (like attracts like, right?).” Twinkle, does that mean Desiree is off emotionally, too? At some point Kaine and Desiree were attracted to each other. And then that would make Tony “off center emotionally” too, because from all appearances, Tony is attracted to his wife (one can safely assume). To label someone “off center” because their spouse is emotionally off just doesn’t fly.
Next…I don’t feel that Kaine’s use of the phrase “master of deception” reveals a single thing about Kaine’s ego. If anything, I think by using this phrase, he gives her TOO much credit. It raises her to a legendary, almost larger than life status. I interpreted his phrase to mean that Terri has managed to elude the police, her friends, a portion of the public, and yes, himself…and that would certainly take a “master of deception.”
I believe that what we’re witnessing right now is Kaine going rogue. And it ain’t pretty. I believe he’s reached the point where he’s willing to lie, cheat, whatever it takes to make his wife talk. I think that’s the “behavior” that Desiree was referring to that she’s not willing to stand by.
For the record, I do not wear a Team Kaine jersey. Really. And that’s my disclaimer.
@Puzzled: I think part of the reason i redirected you was because Kaine did indeed put forth some very good ideas about getting it out there about Kyron.
I do not know when the presser was planned or if he was just stalked while at the wall. It does appear planned but I do recall he said he hadnt seen the presser by Desiree. I would think, not sure of what she said, he had to be caught way out in left field. He also, IIRC, made a point to ask which time frame reporters were discussing when they asked about TMH behavior and addictions. He said things like “at the time I did not see it” and reiterates that many pieces fell together later.
I think he feels ENORMOUS guilt for not letting DY take Ky, in a hindsight kind of way.
I can only imagine his pain.
The fact that he effed up, and questions about his relationship with TMH at a time when he was still married to DY surely adds fuel to that fire (the part where he messed up and now he knows just how BADLY he messed up having hooked up with a psycho when clearly DY had more to offer.) More retrospect, you know? I do not ever think that will be a flattering light for him but its not something he can undo.
I totally agree with you, he IS an angry man trying to hold onto his control.
MOO
@Midwestmom: Kudos to you for your continued sobriety.
I consider the “removing the addictions” (I assume you mean temptations) to be part of getting treatment. Those proactive things, IMO, are an essential part of the treatment and should be part of the measurable results.
I hope you did not take offense to what I was saying. I was speaking mostly to the fact that very often, it isn’t enough just to stop drinking.
It goes along with the One day at a time.
Ms. B brought a smile…thanks…and wish I could quit smoking too…can you forward said gas mask to my kids?…
I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt because I KNOW your not smoking in front of the babies- you took the time to tell me about folding their clothes. I know this from my Mom powers.
Since you asked, albeit metaphorically, for a smoking deterrent for your children, here you go ( I beg y’all not to respond, just “try it on” as I like to say).
I mention my Mother quit smoking when I was about 17. I am 41.
Since then, I lost all my grandparents at early ages to smoking related deaths.
1. Paternal Gram- bed-ridden with emphysema for 3 years at age 68 because her heart was strong, lungs kaput. She never wore a pair of pants in her life. Dresses only. When I asked her why when I noticed it about 8 or 9 years of age, she said “because I have no use for them”. She and previously deceased grandfather raised their family in the Bronx and Brooklyn, NY. She had eyes like a siberian huskey and when I would visit her in the hospital I recall thinking they were never different, less vibrant or loving, even on her proverbial death bed.
2. Maternal Poppa- O how I loved his burliness. He was a decorated WWII Marine, tough as nails, and I was his first and only granddaughter for a time. He was a fullback at Duke before he left school to enlist because he was sure his brother would get his head blown off.
As a goof to his surgeon, he sharpied operating instructions under his gown before his last surgery because his veins were collapsing left and right. He is the first deceased person I ever saw “in person”. It was like there was a “poppa suit” lying on a hospital bed that he might have worn at one time. Smoking Related. I can still hear his voice in my head to any boyfriend as a teen- “What nobody taught you how to act around a lady? Let me guess, you wash your face and comb your hair with the same wash rag?” Sigh.
3. Maternal Gra mere- She was the quintessential lady. She let me play at her vanity and clop around in her silk wedges from the 50′s she kept in the boxes in the back of her closet. She bought me matching little girl penoire’s and slippers although it was the 70′s. She used to let me make chocolate cake all by myself except for pouring in the hot coffee.
Old school, had a career as a surgical RN, and still managed time to iron my Pop’s tidy whities and T O W E LS. I remember as a kid I would sleep over and beg her to help iron. One time my Poppa told her not to let me iron his shorts because I did not do the seams right because I was not tall enough yet. I responded, How would you even know, they are under your pants and you sit on them and make your own creases, lol. Writing on the wall you might say.
She was diagnosed with Stage 4 lung cancer and given 6 months to live at 67. She continued smoking, and told everyone she did not inhale.
One of the hardest things I ever did was when she called me on my way over to stop for a pack of cigarettes for her, I refused.
I was a good girl, I did anything for my grandparents if needed, there was no way.
I told her I could not walk into a store and buy something for her I knew was killing her. For me it was the same as giving a gun to someone saying they wanted to kill themselves. She passed from a stroke 10 months later
4. Mrs. Blink (Me Mum). Diagnosed with stage 3 lung cancer 5 years ago, full resection, secondary metastisis, in palliative treatment. She is private so I will leave specifics out, but as a Mother with younger children, her mortality is my mortality. I spend my time bursting with pride at her strength to fight, and finding a good hiding spot when the time comes so I never have to hear it. That works, right?
Women close to their Mom’s will know exactly what I mean. I have come a long way, but do not let that fool you, I am beyond paralyzed at the thought.
As I tell my beloved Ma mere, you cannot die, I still have a baby tooth in my head. It is unnatural. I need you.
Her answer is always the same. You have not needed me since you could walk. You came out with your hair parted and a briefcase like my Father, except with girl parts.
Jeff D- Please know I had every intention of guilting you into quitting smoking. You should also know I realize that is silly.
Worth a shot on a subject I am so passionate about. It is absolutely the gift you could give to your children they will cherish always.
B
@Idahogal and others whom I may have offended: I am sorry that I did not further qualify that I was speaking mainly of my own experience. You are right that it is an incredibly tough battle you all fight daily. I hope you an others will accept my apology for casting such a wide net as you so well put it. Some of what I stated was based on stats that I have read (a tiny bit, not much), but most all of it was my personal experience.
I guess I just feel like Kaine and I have a lot in common and I know first hand how totally out of left field some things can come.
@Riverpearl: Thanks for the youtube. One of my fav types of music are the collaborations of Luciano P and just about anyone. His voice will always be what I consider the greatest of my lifetime.
Blink,
I think we are on the same page. 100% agree. I was seriously trying to make a point, and a good one. IMHO
Really enjoyed the post.
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I know my share of assclown bullies who do not need a drink or pill to be abusive.
Bullies a/k/a abusers will find the way/method/vehicle to bully or be abusive, sadly, it is part of their ID.
Point is, behavior defines the profile, actual exhibited behavior, and since none of us are direct witnesses, we need to keep that in check..
Footnote: The Parents Blink successfully quit smoking all those years ago, and I am told that my sit-in with a paint respirator over my face at the dinner table had no bearing…
Reading one of the recent TH emails published yesterday, the reference to (para) [Kaine] “wants me to do another show,” that phrase was a clickable link. So I clicked and was taken to info about her bodybuilding. I just knew I wasn’t the only one wondering what he wanted her to show. I acknowledge he might not be the driving force behind her bodybuilding.
Well, I figured there might be prize money involved in those competitions. And there is, but I haven’t found how much yet. However, I have read about some of the women who compete in the Emerald Cup and other contests. Found one successful competitor, Wendy Lindquist. She’s working toward not only prize winnings, but pay for magazine coverage/photos. Maybe other things (legit, legal ones). You will notice her disclaimer at the very end about what she WON’T do for money. We’ve discussed that here before.
Just a short snip of what she says in this article (for copyright reasons); then the article link. And then a link to one of her photos. I assume KH is at least on board with this, if not pushing TH to do it. It’s all well and good, but I know many husbands who would not want their wife, esp mother of young children, involved in this. Wendy says:
“I will be competing at the BC’s in August, as well as the Femsport Valkyrie Festival….And of course I will hit my favourite show again, the Emerald Cup….Hopefully I will grace the cover of Oxygen or something of the like not too far in the future!!”
Please note:
Wendy does not do sessions or wrestling of any kind. Please don’t ask!!
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link to web page:
http://www.amgprofiles.com/Wendy/Lindquist.htm
link to one photo:
http://www.amgprofiles.com/Wendy/Pics/Wendy1403.jpg
weeds says:
November 18, 2010 at 10:32 am
In conclusion, it is my opinion that when looking on Sauvie Island, the only plausible explanation would be that they were looking for a container.
The likelihood of finding skeletal remains with sonar is extremely remote. The fact that Kyron was only seven years old when missing makes this more unlikely. When LE asked for additional funds for the search, LE sounded fiscally responsible. I doubt LE would have four dozen divers there with sonar when there is almost no chance of succeeding in finding the boy.
The only plausible answer is a container. Looking for a container at this stage would make sense. Large enough to encase a seven year old boy it would be a lot easier to pick up on sonar. In fact it’s the only thing that makes sense. Looking for a murder weapon or evidence using sonar is virtually a waste of time. Looking for bones is a waste of time. What’s left?
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@weeds.
Great post – thank you for sharing your research.
I agree with you that the recent searches of the many Sauvie Island waterways by LE/SAR have been for “items”.
Some type of container is what came to my mind as well.
Or … perhaps something like a disabled “bat-phone” – that was pinging on June4th for awhile, but then was smashed and thrown in the river or a canal/lake on the island??
As posted above by riverpearl – it caught the ear of quite a few people here that LE stated they were looking for “items”.
This was the quote that most sticks with me from LE about the recent Sauvie Island searches:
“Lt Mary Lindstrand “chose her words carefully.” “They’re looking for ITEMS, I can’t give specifics and have to be careful in what I say.”
Not a lot to go on there … but for as tight-lipped as MCSO has been about this case – this was more info than we’re used to hearing from them.
The recent searches have been really large scale – lots of divers in the water.
That all costs lots of $$.
With all the budgetary concerns that also worry officials – I believe there was some impetus for these recent searches.
To me, this just seems a more urgent and focused search in the past few weeks.
That makes me think that some tip or clue has them so focused on this area.
Here are a couple of links that have some pretty detailed photos of the images seen at the bottom when looking with the use of side scan sonar equipment:
(in these pics it shows the sonar will pick up things on the river/lake bottom for about 50 meters to either side of the boat. Some of the images are very clear – a long chain out, a pole/foundation, pieces of wood + plastic)
http://webhosting.web.com/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html?linkedwidth=actual&linkpath=http://www.wern.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/sidescan3.JPG&target=tlx_picekiy&title=Sture%20Hultmark%20200%20kHz%20SSS
and
http://webhosting.web.com/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html?linkedwidth=actual&linkpath=http://www.wern.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/sidescan1.JPG&target=tlx_picojne&title=Sture%20Hultmark%20200%20kHz%20SSS
Both of the detailed images above come from this link about side scanning sonar that I thought was an interesting read.
http://www.wern.com/id12.html
Because I personally feel that Life and situations in
life are usually most educational and better understood in reverse,
I am of the opinion that going back to the beginning in this
case makes sense to us now. From the get go, blink has guided us
and reviewing what she said, “then,” vs. what we know now , imo really
sheds light on things here.
Maybe people are getting frustrated because we/they feel at a stand still on this case right now, but; if we revisit what has been discussed wayyyyyyy back, and put our current knowledge to use, it just may keep us going forward on what is truly the most important thing here.
Not if he was “in something”, and sadly, not if nobody is looking.
There is only one way in and out of the school, and there are no cameras.
The likelihood that this is an employee or volunteer of this school is very high, I am choking myself out of not just coming out and saying “the suspect is the man that has not been on the job since early this week.”
I despise these cases. I did not know when I went on my rant about pedophiles on Dana’s show last week, it was prophetic.
B
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No, there is a linked article saying they will not release the ID of the person OR the location within the school, that he was last seen at 9am. No, I do not think the Step Mom is involved.
B
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Thank you Classy, I should have clarified as you could not see Twinkletoes post, I was looking for staff not on the roster, but the maintnence staff, which is not employess of the school, but at outside property mgt. group.
B
@twinkletoes
let’s just say if I was looking for anew man in my life
Kaine would never make the list LOL
but Thank God for my Mr Laid back mr Lazy here
I feel Kaine doesn’t realize the press is going jumb on everything
he says and does.
Really funny about the smoking Blink
these nicotine lozenges are saving my job but
at home I still am fighting the devil LOL
my dad taught me to keep gas in the car also
so I can relate
Thanks for the fun
When Blink said that RS was not the one to take Kyron, I was flabbergasted.
So, I have gone through all of my notes again. These, to me, are Blink’s
most important comments.
To briefly summarize: RS is involved, AS could not have snatched Kyron,
LE knows the “who”. Now, per Blink, RS did not take Kyron from school.
My biggest question, Blink, is WHO is “the suspect that has not been on the job since
early this week? And do you still believe Kyron was SEEN with the person responsible
for his disappearance?
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Again, I say they know the “who” already, and sadly, I do not believe the sightings are Kyron.
B
June 11, 2010 at 9:47 am
From an overwhelming statistical perspective, this baby was the victim of a known offender, for sexual motivation, and the fact that the parents have been accompanied by a deputy 24/7 since it started, tells me they have a suspect, and the parents know who it is as well. B
June 11, 2010 at 9:52 am
There is only one way in and out of the school, and there are no cameras. The likelihood that this is an employee or volunteer of this school is very high, I am choking myself out of not just coming out and saying “the suspect is the man that has not been on the job since early this week.”
I despise these cases. I did not know when I went on my rant about pedophiles on Dana’s show last week, it was prophetic.
There is no doubt in my mind this child was last seen with the person responsible for his disappearance, and that is the reason that information is being withheld. B
July 3, 2010 at 3:22 am
I believe that there is someone in Terri’s life, and possibly Kaine’s that has knowledge of where Kyron is. B
July 13, 2010 at 12:19 pm
people, go after the landscaper, he is the key. B
July 21, 2010 at 12:52 pm
I will answer you this way- I believe LE knows the who and why, but not the where, as I have stated before.
What they are solely concentrating on now, is building a successful prosecution in the event Kyron is not recoverable. There is zero activity that they believe Kyron is alive and being held somewhere. B
Blink, July 16, 2010 at 6:53 pm if you will tell me Kyron is on Sauvie Island, I will stop wasting my time trying to figure out where else he may be.
It is my opinion, Kyron is in that vicinity. B
July 17, 2010 at 7:07 pm
Blink, If you were guessing, who would be your biggest FOCUS?
Rudy Sanchez and his associates. B
Terri Horman knows exactly what she can do to help this nightmare, and she is protecting her own ass.B
One last time: I believe Kyron’s ultimate fate will have been perpetrated via sexual motivation.
It would give me supreme joy to have that wrong. B
August 17, 2010 at 6:37 pm
Make no mistake. Rudy Sanchez is involved. I say that without reservation. B
September 4, 2010 at 8:14 am
AS could NOT have snatched Kyron. I am not saying he is not involved with RS, but he could not have. B
There are so many pieces of this puzzle missing leading us in so many directions. This is a stretch but here goes. Is is possible that TMH and DS were trying to set RS up as the kidnapper/murderer? If she wanted the MFH to go away and knew that RS had nothing concrete (texts, emails, payment,etc) to prove that she had tried to hire him for the MFH it would be he said/she said, she may have set the plan in motion with the 911 call against him in May. I am going in this direction based on Blink stating now that Kyron did not leave the school with either TMH or RS. Was RS at the school that day and if so was it at TMH or DS’s request to further the setup? Would this explain why RS went before the GJ voluntarily? IIRC TMH was pointing the finger at RS very early on and DS’s cousin said DS was also pointing the finger at him. Could Kyron have left with DS? I have had a hard time believing that DS had no contact with TMH upon finding out about Kyron supposedly on June 5th until she was asked to stay with TMH some three weeks later. The fact that they even knew about batphones makes me wonder if a different set of batphones weren’t already in use by TMH and DS for quite a while prior to June 4.
If this was the plan then I would think DS probably had the necessary equipment (container, bags, weights shovels, ugh!) already in place as well as knowing the disposal area, drive times, etc. JMHO
Rambling I know, and still trying to figure out the puzzle pieces after leaving the school. If I have completely jumped the tracks please help me get back on!
I want this little man home with his Momma:(
RE: Blink’s narrative on addiction, smoking and gas cans. OMG, Blink — thanks for this hilarious account and editorializing. This is a serious blog, as it should be — considering the subject matter — but humor is a very good thing and absolutely vital and necessary for a happy life. Not a dang thing wrong with that. So THANK YOU, Blink, for the hearty guffaw you inspired from me in the midst of all this seriousness and sadness. You are one smart, savvy and funny lady.
Midwest Mom says:
November 18, 2010 at 12:45 pm
“she has subsequently denied her involvement to law enforcement”
She has denied her involvement to law enforcement, Law enforcement has told KH she denied it. And Law enforcement has not brought forth any other information legally disputing her statement is false.
So wouldn’t the court see that as a statement of fact? IDK.
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That is EXACTLY what it is!!
TY Midwest Mom … ditto right back ‘atcha.
21.Camsmom says:
November 18, 2010 at 1:19 pm
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Oh no not you Blink, It was a commentor that had copied half my post, and added her opinion to it. I was afraid Cassie had taken the part that was copied and pasted wrong, and I wanted her to be able to read the whole thing, so she understood what I was saying. Never meant you! Sorry you thought that!
Rich M says:
November 18, 2010 at 2:22 pm
@Puzzled: I think part of the reason i redirected you was because Kaine did indeed put forth some very good ideas about getting it out there about Kyron.
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I did not address this part of the pc, because you had covered this portion so well. And Kaine did a very good job of keeping Ky’s presence alive.
What I did notice were Kaines’ patterns of speech and deflection and that was what I tried to convey in my post.
No one .. and I do mean no one .. can predicte how they would react given the circumstances Kaine and Desiree find themselves in. I know it’s a cliche to say “they are doing the best they can”. I can only add “they are doing better than I would”.
Thank you for your commentary Rich … I always read what you write .. you bring a balance to the discussion.
I’m confused. I’m seeing posts where people write that Blink says there’s a third suspect or Blink says Kyron didn’t leave with Terri as if they are facts. I am going to flat out ask if these are things you know for certain Blink or is that your theory based on what you have learned about the case so far?
I know for certain that Kyron did not leave Skyline School with Terri Horman.
B
Regarding my last post,
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November 18, 2010 at 4:27 pm
I meant to say 3rd person not 3rd suspect. I’m tired today and my brain and fingers are out of sync.
Well, so far this week I have:
- been chased around the barn yard and laughed at by a Mother Hen
- checked the whites around my eyes way too many times
- failed miserably while trying to explain the patterns, cycles and possible causes/effects of addiction and abuse
- realized I am no closer to helping with Ky’s case than I was 5 months ago
- realized being proud of my sobriety and sharing my experience will just get me labeled in a negative way with a lot of folks
I’m whipped in more ways than one. I’m going back to lurking for awhile. Good luck to all. Love and prayers for Kyron and his family.
You have made this clear early on:
I know for certain that Kyron did not leave Skyline School with Terri Horman.
B
In your opinion he did not leave with RS either.
So my questions are – do you think he left with the unidentified male chaperone?
Do you think the UMC and the headless lumberjack are one in the same?
So according to Blink and other posters, Kyron did NOT leave with the following people:
Terri
RS
AS-S
Elsy (missing since May)
So lets make a list of who IS still on the list:
Dede
One of the Villareal family members
A mystery lover of Terri
What else we got?
Blink – In your opinion do you think Kyron left school on June 4th with RS?
no
B
I know for certain that Kyron did not leave Skyline School with Terri Horman.
B
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welp .. it’s back to the aliens took him = ETs that is.
Blink,
Given that there are many studies out there that show that children of smokers are more likely to smoke or experiment with tobacco, you should be very proud of yourself that you did not succumb to smoking. What an amazing legacy to pass on to your kids!
TY
I think the credit belongs to my parents. They made the hard choice.
B
Blink has asked us to stay away from religious discussion in light of the exchange earlier, and yet she has had to say so more than once since then. I can stay here and respect the thoughts of others as long as they do not in turn tell me I am wrong. “Belief” is what we have we we are unable to say that we KNOW. And different does not equal wrong in this instance. Thank you. Focus is on Kyron.
My dear DG-
It is all good friend.
B
Thank you Ms. B.
No thank you. You put your hand up like my Mom.
Keep us posted on your progress, you have my full support. Baby steps, that fake vapor thing, whatever you need.
Sorry you pressed the Big Red Blink button, but not sorry, ya know.
B
Just thinking out loud … this is beginning to have the appearance of a convergence of events resulting in a perfect storm.
I know for certain that Kyron did not leave Skyline School with Terri Horman.
B
Did not leave the Skyline School building or Skyline School grounds or both?