Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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I agree the recent request from the Skyline Community seems a little strange at his juncture but at the same time, I can possibly see another possibility here … one that actually makes me feel more confident than unsure about the direction their investigation is potentially heading.
Anyone else see how maybe MCSO is attempting to prevent Terri’s defense team from finding some “surprise” witness who claims to have been at the school that morning but isn’t on their list? If so, I bet TMH and Houze are running to the bathroom to empty out their pants. All JMO, but possible, no?
The names are have already been long redacted by all the media outlets that originally published it, but according to other bloggers who did see the list before it disappeared, it shows Kiara’s name on the list of “minor children” so that definitely puts to rest that Kitty wasn’t possibly there at the school that morning.
One item that keeps bugging me…the CSI t-shirt. It was obviously NEW. When/where did TMH buy it? The plan was in the works, methinks, when she “found” this. Does FM sell these?
On another note…
Out on a limb here, dangling: Is there satellite technology that would be able to view, zoom in on activities at Skyline,surrounding area from 6 mos ago? Didn’t know if there’s anything retrievable for government use? Ok, Ok…I know….privacy, but when a crime has been committed, wouldn’t that be amazing if that were a possibility? Even Google maps sometimes “catches” individuals out and about. Just thinking. Even if the resolution weren’t that great, there would most likely be a true “trail” to follow…a vehicle, perhaps, or where vehicles meet/exchange, etc.
Regarding where and when conversations about “Planning” took place…Starbucks @ the FM1 could be a site. The Gym seems to be more of a Meeting Place than a Work Out Place—for whatever these swingers were up to. TMH was even going there after Ky went missing…maybe to “pick up” a few things. Outdoors away from surveillance cameras, too…”gardening” with DDS.
And on that note…SI.
With all the predicted flooding this weekend, higher water levels may “raise” evidence previously unreachable. I hate even writing that.
OK…that’s it. I have 160 essays waiting to be scored. So, I must pull myself away from Blinking. That’s what my sister and I call it, Blinking…since we’re both addicted to this blog! Even my 92 year old mother asks: what’s on Blink?! Go Mama! She’s followed this case since 6/4, and from day one said something was “off” about TMH—while we were still defending her!
Not new, was big brothers.
B
The onsite daycare at Skyline school is provided by the following agency. I read about it a long time ago, but didn’t save it; it seemed innocuous in the scheme of things. (Thru a govt social or community services agency, I think. Provides before and after school care.) Just want to remember it’s there, and adds a layer of staffing, visitors and possibly delivery/other personnel–IDK:
Linnton Community Center-Skyline
11536 Northwest Skyline Boulevard, Portland, OR 97231-2604 (503) 629-0006
@ 31. Salt. Based on yr note, I googled “Cornelius Pass Road.”. Urls 2 & 3 resulting noted major road construction from Spring on, with access limited to locals, not thru traffic. One portion entirely closed June 22 following. With all the construction, and limited access, why would an abductor chose this route?
Idahogal says:
December 11, 2010 at 10:50 am
How does a school justify advertising such an event with signs out front, in essence allowing the “general public” to attend, while being so horribly lax in security for these children during this event?! It makes me furious. IMOO PPS should have their a$$e$ sued for this, I find it inexcusable.
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As a long-time teacher in districts surrounding PPS, I respectfully submit that it is consistent practice for schools to advertise school events on their outdoor signs as a way of encouraging parents and community members to attend. Ending the practice of advertising school events in essence serves to end these wonderful events that band schools and community members together for the sake of the children.
On morning of the Skyline Science Fair the students either took the bus, as they normally did, or came early if accompanied by parents. Allowing children to arrive early on the morning of the fair, supervised by their own family members or designee(s), does not constitute lax security, based upon my experience.
Got it!!! I got the list of names … they mean nothing to me … but if someone has initials of who we might want to look at, I can check to see who is and isn’t on THE LIST.
Nancy says:
December 11, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Oops. Should have said, “On the morning of the Skyline Science Fair…”
I must confess my ignorance … been doing that a lot lately, lol … but the names seem innocuous … just parents and such … ‘though GK’s name is listed.
KGW.com Kaine Horman & Desiree Young 8/27/2010 Part 2;
http://www.kgw.com/video?id=101688128&sec=547987
Sarah: “Oh, just, just, because I don’t want to miss this part; the truck, because that’s important. There’s more evidence that came out about a white truck. Potentially one person in the truck…three people…THE WHITE TRUCK, Terri’s truck, can you…”
Desiree: “Kaine’s truck.”
Sarah: “Kaine’s truck, I’m sorry, I just don’t want to miss anything. And I know we have to go. Umm, ’cause that’s important. That’s new information.”
Desiree: “yeah”
Sarah: “What are your thoughts on that new information? Do you feel as though DeDe was in that truck?”
Desiree: “It just makes me feel stronger that there were people helping her. That Kyron saw it all and was involved and that there were other people helping her. Which is what we suspected.”
Sarah: “So, because…But, do you believe a man was spotted? I mean, again, these are witness accounts and I don’t know how much information that you’ve been privy to about, uh…What is the likeliest scenario?”
Desiree: “Well first of all, why would Kyron even be outside the school? Why would he even be near a truck with somebody else in it? It’s significant, in a huge way, to the case. If the timeline played out the way that it supposedly did…that contradicts that completely. So, I mean other than that…that’s how significant it was to me.”
Sarah: “How authentic do you think that witness is?”
Desiree: “Very authentic.”
Sarah: “So it’s a credible witness.”
Desiree: “Yeah.”
Sarah: “And what, exactly, are they claiming they saw?”
Kaine: “Well, to be direct about it; I think law enforcement needs to determine that still.” …
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Thinking about this….
Kyron was out by the truck, possibly with someone else (besides Terri, maybe Dede) was in it. The timing of this being witnessed indicates it contradicts the timeling Terri put forth to LE.
Desiree points out the Kyron saw it all, even played a part in ‘it’. She indicates ‘people’ helped Terri, not a person, multiple persons.
The witness is very credible, which means most likely an adult.
Desiree essentially confirms Terri’s timeline is bogus, Kaines truck was in the parking lot with another adult in or near it, something went down and Ky witnessed the entire thing, and multiple people are involved.
Kaine quickly shuts the conversation down. Any theory put forth should involve these facts if we are to believe what LE shared with Desiree is true.
-Terri left in another vehicle or was still at the school at the time Kyron went missing.
-Dede is not the only accomplice and the other accomplice is a man.
-Kyron left earlier or later than 8:45 and was involved which means he left willingly.
-Kyron witnessed something. (His stepmom selling him and passing him off?)
I’m not sure why anyone on this list of who attended the Science Fair which was advertised as a public event is legally entitled to or would expect the privacy of not having their names posted – except for minor children without a parent’s permission, including those enrolled at Skyline.
If more than 500 other people know or could know that you were at a particular public event (or not) and you were aware of those people taking pictures, etc., how could you assume you were entitled to privacy?
Some people might complain to websites that post, but these people are not victims to be protected, and if they can help find Kyron by allowing their name to be published in what is essentially a “Visitor’s Book”, then why not? It isn’t even a place where they can be found on a daily basis so there’s no protective element that I can think of. (I can’t imagine a stranger unknown to the community, walking in off the street, and there for a crime would give anyone a real name anyway.)
I assume delivery people and non-employee workers are included or it isn’t a comprehensive list.
What do you think the implication of the timing of the release is?
24.Rose says:
December 11, 2010 at 10:07 am
I am curious (@ any recipient family) about the time email was sent out by Principal Keefer. Was it about the time of school release in Friday? That would be deliberative timing by a public school system in info mgmt mode amongst its parent/teacher body in the school. As opposed to, say, a weekday morning.
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I know what you mean. Sometimes I think this is some really warped social experiment. Remember when the cameras caught OJ’s Bronco on the freeway? That is when we crossed over. I really don’t think this is a reality show set-up, but I do think this case, the media and internet participation will be studied.
32.Jden says:
December 11, 2010 at 11:43 am
snip>Have we completely discounted the theory that this is an elaborate reality show set-up?
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18.Ode says:
December 11, 2010 at 8:19 am
I did see the list of SF attendees and TH and minor child was mentioned
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I just thought here is another white truck.
17.Rose says:
December 11, 2010 at 8:11 am
@14. E-Rose. The only interesting thing on him I found last summer is he is a “biker” of sorts–Pres of Ducati club in Calif….
49.Rose says:
December 10, 2010 at 11:17 am
Who would pay $ for any child who could be obtained freely by abducting? one needn’t pay a dime
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In the sick twisted land of sexual exploitation of children, perverts can become obsessed with a particular victim.
Many possibilities abound but two stand out for me.
The person to whom Terri was to sell Kyron took Ky and never made payment going against their agreement (could be why she was seen screaming into a pay phone then speeding all over Sauvie Island), or a bad debt was owed by Terri so no payment was necessary just a debt forgiveness.
The other is that there is a percentage of wicked people in the world who get enjoyment from harming children. That percentage crosses all socioeconomic lines. If the person who was to buy Kyron was wealthy, and they became obsessed with the thought of Kyron, they had the means to use other folks to make the situation happen without any leads back to themselves. The act of purchasing a child might even be part of their fantasy. Sick, I know, and this is why we must be honest with ourselves that these things happen so we can target and end it.
2.pps_mom says:
December 10, 2010 at 11:35 am
…I hope you get a chance to go by the Wall of Hope and school.
I took my kids there this summer when the wall was still up at the school. After looking at all the stuffed animals and presents, their attention turned to the playground (naturally). As I watched them play, my attention kept going to this beautiful shade tree by the teeter totter. I’m sure it was just my imagination, but I could feel Kyron’s gentle presence under that tree. I kept wanting to invite him to go play with my kids, but he stayed very still, just watching. That day I finally accepted that Kyron’s earthly body is, most likely, not with us any longer, but I felt, so strongly, that his spirit is.
***Kyron deserves justice. He deserves the whole truth to be told. He deserves never to be forgotten. He deserves Peace.***
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Beautifully worded, PPS mom. I felt I was there with you and Kyron and your children on that warm summer day.
The last portion of your post is the sum total of this boys story. May it be as you have written.
saw somewhere in my news search this AM that a blue container has been seen floating on/near SI and SAR were headed that way. Went back to find and post link … it’s gone. So don’t know if story is true or not.
About all of this anger at the schools. I am 45 and I have fond memories of Christmas programs and talent shows held at school that were attended by the community. There was no security and after our performances we children would roam the dark halls and classrooms playing hide and seek without a thought or worry of being abducted. And no one ever was. At Christmas one of the elderly men would dress up as Santa and we would tell him our wishes in return he would give us a brown paper lunch bag of apples, nuts, oranges and candy. I was in grade school at the time and even the “big kids”(high school) would get in line! Before I was through with grade school that practice had already stopped due to someone in another state who may or may not have put in a razor blade or poison or ?? into something intended for kids. Of course this may have just been a rumor but lawyers for the school district deemed that no food could ever be given out again. School events became sterile and boring and people stopped attending in the numbers they once did. Thus the community once tight-knit began to distance itself from one another. THAT was the real tragedy. As I mentioned before I grew up in DELIVERANCE but there were places that were SAFE and school was one of them. Sporting events? I would often disappear with my friends as a child for most of the game only finding my parents when I wanted money for licorice! There were no worries. It wasn’t until the community fragmented that the things to be worried about manifested.
In my opinion all of this finger pointing is what the perpetrator counted on. The pointing of fingers in so many directions the school the principal the teacher the lack of cameras the lack of an absent phone call. BLAME BLAME BLAME!In my opinion this has nothing to do with Kyron being missing. Missing Kyron has to do with Terri Horman. After that the vampire SHE let in. If anger and blame was being channeled to the right person that would further goal of stopping child abuse more than life in prison or the death penalty. If anger and blame were being channeled to the right person the likes of Dee Dee Spicher would not be walking with their head held high and the smirk would be wiped of their face. They would would be cowering in shame like the pathetic dirty rats they are.
Then schools would be doing what they should be doing which is teaching and not running a f**#ing prison!
26.beejay says:
December 11, 2010 at 10:30 am
On a more emotional note: I read this week that the tree at the Wall of Hope had ornaments with the names of Kaine, Ky and Kitty. I moped and through tears purchased an outdoor ornament and with outdoor paint put these names: Kyron, Kitty, and James (the forgotten child, which is why I wept). Hope it survives shipping and is actually hung on the tree.
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Beejay,
What a kind thing to do. I just want everyone to remember there is another forgotten child and that is Quinn, Kyron’s stepbrother.
And another thing make no mistake if the school had all of the security measures people are demanding Kyron would have just disappeared from somewhere else.
Yes. I agree.
B
@mosaic says:
December 10, 2010 at 3:48 pm
Even with the big cloud of suspicion swirling around Terri’s head, I still find it odd that her first reaction to being confronted by RS during the failed sting operation was to Call the Cops.
Something doesn’t fit here. If she was directly involved with Kyron’s disappearance, and in cahoots with RS, why on earth would she call 911, and draw attention to their situation, if he shows up at her house with threats? Bank robbers don’t call 911 if their accomplice robs them of their share of the booty.
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You are right about something doesn’t fit. I think LE made a huge mistake with the failed “sting”. Terri knew the person who took Ky wasn’t the a landscaperlover and that the mfh was pillow talk. I would have called 911 too if I were in her shoes. I think there are three individuals involved. TH (known) person she handed him off to (unknown) and person who handed Ky off to someone else unknown. I also think DDS will be “cleared”. jmo
If LE had a credible witness who saw Ky by the truck with an adult other than Terri wouldn’t that be physical evidence? Since LE stated they have no physical evidence connecting anyone to Ky’s disappearance, I take that to mean the credible witness account did not prove out. Right…?
There is so much we don’t know yet, despite some really intelligent speculations. BUT, there is a lot we DO know:
Terri used steroids – it’s obvious in looking at her body building pictures and reading about the short time frame in which she lost weight. Did she take speed too? Meth?? Huge weight loss in short time. That would put her in touch with a drug dealer…
Terri is an habitual liar. We know that from numerous people in her life saying so.
Terri is narcissistic: multiple instances of callous disregard for the feelings/needs of others. Bookshelves out in the rain, accusing her in-laws of spending their son’s inheritance when they wanted to purchase a boat. Narcissism is on the same spectrum as sociopathy. Could she have moved up the scale after the birth of Kiara?
Terri is a probable alcoholic: 2 DUI’s. One= oops(!) Two, ya gotta problem. Callous disregard for drinking/driving with James in the car.
Hired a hit man to kill her husband. Hmmm… Some people disregard or minimize it. But the MCSO seemed to take it seriously enough to warn Kaine to leave his home immediately, causing him to file an emergency restraining order against her.
Ok, we know the rest: she hired expensive attorney, isn’t fighting for custody, etc etc…
Here’s my biggest red flag of all: She expressed EXTREME HATRED for Kyron in emails. EXTREME HATRED!! By a woman who tried to have her husband knocked off.
She is sick and got sicker after Kiara’s birth. She could’ve been overwhelmed with motherhood on top of her depression. I’ll grant her that. She could be addicted to her own adrenaline and needs to stir up chaos and drama. I’ve treated a lot of women like that. Alcohol undoes any good anti depressants do – cancels them out.
Does anyone watch Discovery ID, the cable station? It’s back to back true crime stories about people who kill other people. Some seem perfectly normal, with full lives, social circles and great families. But they kill. It’s shocking always. I’m not surprised by anything she might have done. She’s shown us she didn’t want to get her own hands dirty with Kaine, but she certainly could have escalated by June 4th.
What if her connection to a predator was thru her drug dealer? That’s a believable scenario to me. One other thought: could she have been a “housewife hooker”? I know it sounds outrageous but if you google it and Portland, page after page comes up. So apparently, Portland has a thriving cottage industry in daytime sex for $$.
All or course moo.
Great work from Puzzler at SM. If you go up thread, you can find out even more information.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9000.380
From Puzzler @ SM
Skyline Elementary School Staff for the 2009 -2010 year
Ben Keefer – principal
Susan Hall – principals sec.
Scott McBeth K/1
Mrs. Easter Matthews K/1
Mrs Linda Cole K/1
karen Hanson 2/3
Kristina Porter 2/3
Melissa Ritter 2/3
Jessica Bostick 4/5
Vivian Covin 4/5
Jill Kooning 4/5
Brian Gardes lang arts/soc studies 6/7/8
Katrina Frischmann Math/Sci 6/7/8
Paul Mastin math/ lang arts 6/7/8
Mrs. Skach lib/tech
music = tba
pe= mrs Joanne Romanaggi
ms. stephanie Cox – counselor
kenny Moylan head custodian
vickie Ibarra Evening custodian
Diane jones= cafeteria manager
Lou Terrones= resource teacher
Amy Kasch lang. pathologist
Nancy Yates – school psychologist
Mark Valeske – occ therapist
Alayna Pettingill para educator
Tersea Gonzales para educator
Robert Salvia para educator
Deborah Meskimen para educator
Comparing last years list to this year…
Teachers that are no longer on the list include:
Paul Mastin math/ lang arts 6/7/8
Mrs. Skach lib/tech
music = tba
ms. stephanie Cox – counselor
kenny Moylan head custodian
Nancy Yates – school psychologist
Alayna Pettingill para educator
Robert Salvia para educator
New teachers are:
Jamie homberg math 8
Kimla Johnson-koziuk math 6 / ib coord
Drew robinson math 8 lang art
Lydia wells lang arts Spanish 4-8
Johnson, sara counselor
Melissa Dunn 4/5
27.Jamie says:
December 10, 2010 at 6:35 pm
http://www.kgw.com/home/Kyron-task-force-seeks-help-from-Skyline-community-111693624.html
New letter to skyline parents. I believe this supports the fact that TH is not the singular suspect. They already know she was there.
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In the comments section of this article someone wrote:
“Six months later I wonder how many people will remember the lies they told?”
Blink, the list of names sent to parents yesterday is now on this website. Not sure if you want to post this or not. Thanks for all that you do!
http://www.incitynews.net/portland/2010/12/list-of-names-sent-to-parents-in-kyron-case/
23.KRFox says:
December 11, 2010 at 9:55 am
@GraceintheHills
“I think if Suspect Zero was a strictly solo act, a random predator, TMH would have no fear of talking. She would have no real need for Houze. She would still be in the house on Sheltered Nook Rd. with baby K in her arms. There would be no 90 minute hole in her alibi, no question about her cell phone pings, and those “hateful” emails and embarassing sexts likely would have never seen the light of day.”
Very good and well said. She could bargain for just about any charge short of kidnapping and murder if she didn’t do it and cooperated. Couldn’t she simply get immunity if she had nothing to do with Kyron’s disappearance? The fact is: there was too much that had to be planned by Terri herself for almost any theory to work. She had motive(s) and all but a few seconds of opportunity.
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I agree, great post, you worded it beautifully,
I wonder if she (TH) was offered the deal of immunity
if she would be more inclined to divulge what she knows.
Who knows, maybe that is exactly the way Houze is waiting
for this to play out??
I did see the list of names before it was removed and it listed Terri Horman and minor child of Terri Horman. I think this might be the first actual confirmation that Kiara was at the SF
@ riverpearl thank you for the clarification. I misunderstood who’s post was who. One thing that I’m still trying to understand; can electronic communication be used as physical evidence? I guess I’m trying to be clear on the statement “theres not a shred of physical evidence”
Of the names we are generally familiar with, the following are ON the list:
Horman, Fuhrer, Stenson, Holm
NOT on the list:
Estrada, Sanchez, Pumala, Villareal, Spicher, Wishert, Cook
(also no Jake)
Beejay – not sure where your info about the onsite child care came from, but it is incorrect.
Thank you, Lizzygoat. When I say it, it just sounds defensive, so I’m glad you said it. I’m actually VERY proud and happy that Skyline has not succumbed the pressure to turn into a prison.
cbickel says:
December 11, 2010 at 12:36 pm
@Nancy…I just re-read what I wrote to you and I must apoligize for the “tone” I used! I didn’t mean it to read so nasty!! lol Thanks for not tearin’ me a new ….well you know!
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cbickel: No worries or apology necessary, but thank you. After re-reading my original post I realized I should have begun with, “I agree”, and felt badly that it read as though I was discounting your position.
It’s all good!!!
3.Nancy says:
December 11, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Idahogal says:
December 11, 2010 at 10:50 am
How does a school justify advertising such an event with signs out front, in essence allowing the “general public” to attend, while being so horribly lax in security for these children during this event?! It makes me furious. IMOO PPS should have their a$$e$ sued for this, I find it inexcusable.
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As a long-time teacher in districts surrounding PPS, I respectfully submit that it is consistent practice for schools to advertise school events on their outdoor signs as a way of encouraging parents and community members to attend. Ending the practice of advertising school events in essence serves to end these wonderful events that band schools and community members together for the sake of the children.
On morning of the Skyline Science Fair the students either took the bus, as they normally did, or came early if accompanied by parents. Allowing children to arrive early on the morning of the fair, supervised by their own family members or designee(s), does not constitute lax security, based upon my experience.
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As a parent and PTB member of a local school in a surrounding school district next to Skyline School, it is common practice to use the reader boards to advertise school events. For example at our school the PTB raised funds for our reader board.
This does give thought to safety issues now by using these boards. However, parents work hard to pull the school community together for events.
justice23 says:
December 11, 2010 at 1:05 pm
Justice23 – I thought the same thing. This is a final ruling-out…they are anticipating the defence. I think (hope!) LE has more than we know. Something’s coming-I hope they’ve got what they need.
I have a friend with a child at Skyline-hard to see her name on that list-got a big lump in my throat. She has not said one word about what she knows/thinks/believes. Everyone is being quiet for a reason. I have to believe they are onto something. Have to.
Puzzeled,
How about a S.G. Gonzalez, or ramirez
Kat says:
December 11, 2010 at 1:14 pm
One item that keeps bugging me…the CSI t-shirt. It was obviously NEW. When/where did TMH buy it? The plan was in the works, methinks, when she “found” this. Does FM sell these?
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Hi Kat! The whole family was into CSI, I have seem pictures of Kaine wearing a CSI shirt too (and James), plus they went to a CSI type crime lab on vacation–I believe it was in an educational science center type setting. I saw the pictures of them there. Can’t remember which news site had those, or if it was on one of the facebooks? So I believe it was a family interest, and they probably bought the shirts while on that vacation. It certainly is ironic though that the day Kyron disappeared he was wearing that shirt.
Ode: Of course, Quinn! I was just thinking about the children who lived full time in the Horman household. Maybe I’m overly sentimental, but I won’t rest till I do another ornament tomorrow and ship it out via overnight carrier on Monday. Ky loved Bootsie, his cat, and wasn’t there a dog at the Young’s house? Will have to look that up.
Another ornament with names: Kyron, Kitty, James, Quinn, Bootsie, and (dog’s name TBA).
TY, Ode.
lizzygoat says:
The pointing of fingers in so many directions the school the principal the teacher the lack of cameras the lack of an absent phone call. BLAME BLAME BLAME!In my opinion this has nothing to do with Kyron being missing. Missing Kyron has to do with Terri Horman.
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I agree. When parents bring their child(ren) to events outside the normal school day they are responsible for supervising them, unless there is formal supervision provided by the school. Even then, it is the responsibility of the parent(s) to ensure their child(ren) are safely delivered to, and picked up from, the supervision area.
TH made the decision to bring Kyron to school early on the morning of June 4, and it was her responsibility to ensure he was adequately supervised and in the hands of his teacher (or other school personnel) before she left him. Even if TH did not take Kyron from the school, disable him or allow someone else to take him, she is ultimately responsible for not ensuring he reached the safety of his classroom that morning.
O.K.since I don’t see anyone else mentioning this perhaps I missed something – or maybe I’m the only one who counted… but
37.beejay says:
December 11, 2010 at 11:59 am
Blink: maybe you’re the one who emailed the list to Klaas. Anywho, if you’ll permit it here, she posted the article and list. Instructions must be followed: you must copy the article and paste it into a Word document in order to see the list. This is Klaas’ post at SM:
Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, PORTLAND, OR #37 12/5/10 -
« Reply #371 on: December 11, 2010, 10:51:35 AM »
I was emailed the list of names. I don’t want to post the list in the forum but for those that want to save it the names are at this link. If you copy and paste this article you can see all the names easier. Thanks to the person who emailed it to me:
http://www.incitynews.net/portland/2010/12/list-of-names-sent-to-parents-in-kyron-case/
I did count,and only came up with 213 names, not 490. Could someone shed some light on why that would be? Thanks
Lindsey Baum has been missing since 6/26/09 and was taken from McCleary Washington. I do not believe they have ever named a suspect/POI. She was ten when she was taken. McClery is just over two hours away from Portland. Although I am fairly confident whomever took Kyron was let in by Terri Horman is there any chance out there that the cases are related and that this is a serial child kidnapper?
TO who has access to the list of names who were at Skyline on June 4th
not meaning to be racist, but are there any Hispanic names there?
@Familythx and Graceinthehills: well said, and I agree re: the TH role.
When I read the request from MCSO, I immediately thought that they were wrapping something up, looking for an extra detail, or trying to set a trap, not that they were really that lost and going back to Square One, looking for an anonymous perp (although quite probably there is someone LE can’t ID who played a part in this). I could be quite wrong, but I have faith that there’s more to the LE request, and then I read Val’s analysis as Hinky, and felt reassured once again.
Re: the list of names: Terri Horman and minor child, we assume that means Kiara–could it be Kiara that LE is trying to confirm, or could she be one of the people LE would like to confirm? If someone among the attendees was helping TH, then the Kiara attendance could be a lie. Just a thought.
15.familythx says:
December 11, 2010 at 3:37 pm
“There is so much we don’t know yet, despite some really intelligent speculations. BUT, there is a lot we DO know…”
While we keep hearing that LE has nothing, you’ve outlined at least a small portion of what they do have. Thanks for putting the knowns in a clear format ~ nice job!
@ 15.familythx says:
December 11, 2010 says: “Here’s my biggest red flag of all: She expressed EXTREME HATRED for Kyron in emails. EXTREME HATRED!! By a woman who tried to have her husband knocked off.”
– Have you seen/read those e-mails yourself?!
If Terri is not involved in Kyron’s disappearance, there are still good reasons she might discontinue taking polys and fighting for Kiara at this juncture. She did 2.5 polys and I’m sure she knew she was suspected (rightfully or not). How many times can you answer the same questions before you ask a lawyer for advice, even if you’re being truthful? Think of all the wrongfully suspected family members who lived under the cloud of suspicion due primarily to inaccurate poly results (Bill Wegerle, Amber DuBois’s stepdad, Jaycee Dugard’s stepdad, Elizabeth Smart’s uncle, the Ramseys…). In these cases, their continuous cycle of failed polys didn’t help in the investigations, they kept them focused in the wrong direction for too long.
Having said that, Terri does seem to have skeletons in her closet (some of which are now out of the closet). Guilty or innocent of involvement in Kyron’s disappearance, I believe an in-depth LE investigation into Terri’s personal life uncovered some unrelated criminal or questionable activity that she knows would work against her in a custody battle, especially considering the public flogging surrounding Kyron’s disappearance at the time Kaine forced custody. Also, she knows Kaine didn’t consider awarding primary custody of Kyron to Desiree an option – so, he most certainly would fight it with Kiara with even greater vigor. A good attorney would probably advise her not to fight for custody until she has a plan to address any questionable behaviour/activities and is cleared in Kyron’s disappearance.
I don’t know if Terri is guilty or innocent of arranging Kyron’s disappearance. Neither would surprise me. But, I don’t think there’s anything we’ve heard so far that makes me assume that it’s a given and that LE shouldn’t be pursuing other possibilities aggressively. So far, the MFH allegations are unproven and she hasn’t been named a suspect in either a MFH attempt nor a kidnapping. Bereaved family members and the press can do a hell of a job making someone a guilty monster with few verified facts – Patsy Ramsey was mercilessly trashed and called the most hated woman in the country for a long while. She didn’t deserve it. Maybe Terri does. But until we know LE has enough evidence to name her a suspect and file charges, I would consider LE negligent if they are not exploring all plausible alternatives. We’ve seen tunnel vision due to inaccurate poly results let killers go undetected while family members were persecuted too many times. We should expect more from LE and for the victims. JMO.
Peace to Kyron and all who love him…
Physical evidence is stuff or matter; blood, bullets, body fluids/cells (DNA), clothing, fibers, soil, finger prints, etc. Physical evidence also includes imprints; tire tracks, footprints.
Statements to police claiming to have seen something significant to a case are witness accounts. A ficticous example; During the science fair, I saw John Pickle and Kyron leave the parking lot together on a motorcycle.
One other thought: First, the interview with Staton saying that they have no evidence, etc. just last week and now this list which makes it look like LE needs even more clues. After I got over my initial despondency after reading the interview w/Staton, I realized that LE may not be telling the public everything, and in fact, may be laying out a bread crumb trail to lure the perp. This new “list” could be a piece of that, jmooooooo.
37.beejay says:
December 11, 2010 at 11:59 am
Beejay,
Could you please re-post the link to names? Only a few letters of some names are visible even if cut & pasted.
Thanks!
Prayers for Kyron.
From the Wikipedia article; Real Evidence – sub-category; Physical and documentary evidence:
Similarly, a film of a murder taking place would not be physical evidence (unless it was introduced to show that the victims blood had splattered on the film), but documentary evidence (as with a written description of the event from an eyewitness).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_evidence
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Extrapolating from this; if a film of a murder taking place is not physical evidence (it’s documentary evidence) then I conclude that electronic communications are also not physical evidence.
Not new, was big brothers.
B
Interesting. Still makes for a curious choice of shirts, considering the outcome.
Also wondering: Is the list exhaustive? Was there a sign in? Nefarious Creepo is not going to sign in, but will lurk and mingle,esp. if they are acquainted with the grounds/activity–or had been prepped. MOO.
lizzygoat says:
December 11, 2010 at 3:04 pm
And another thing make no mistake if the school had all of the security measures people are demanding Kyron would have just disappeared from somewhere else.
Yes. I agree.
B
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Unless it was a random abduction and Kyron was just at the wrong place at the wrong time. I’m not completely convinced that Kyron was specifically targeted; it’s possible he was the right age and right type for some sick pedophile. Could have been a lot of kids that fit the bill at the school..