Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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Just found this on a different blog … interesting … wondering if she may have a point? The alleged SO who stalked her and her friends at Skyline yrs ago was never caught so he could still be out there. Maybe he’s changed his taste from girls to boys in the last 20 yrs?
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=50954&page=11
Post #322 written by Tamara
Well, this case is especially creepy for me. Almost 20 years ago, when I attended skyline elementary, I was stalked by a convicted pedophile. I know he contacted other kids who attended skyline elementary, some of whom I was friends with. Seems like a stretch after all this time, but part of me wonders if there is a connection. I do know he was never arrested after stalking me and dissapeared after he learned that the cops were onto him.
I’m not sure why people seem to think skyline is such a safe area. On the one hand, yes, people tend to get to know and make friends with their neighbors. On the other hand, there’s a lot of creeps living in the woods and you do hear about freaky things happening in forest park, and Linnton isn’t too far away (just at the bottom of the hills, basically) and is beyond sketchy.
I always thought the cool electric one was Tyler’s project on antimatter.
WOW! Could this maybe be the same guy the poster on justicequest was referring to that was also never found? If so, this guy is really elusive.
http://www.theoutlookonline.com/news/story.php?story_id=127604789675353300
Portland boy’s disappearance stirs memories of ’78 abduction
Second-grader taken from West Gresham School was found, went on to become mother of two
The search for second-grader Kyron Horman, missing from Portland’s Skyline School, reminds Gresham residents of a similar long night’s search on brushy Gresham Butte 32 years ago for Stacie Wilmoth, a second-grader who vanished from West Gresham School on April 26, 1978.
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connecting the dots … this profile has been part of the working theory from early on …IF he is a sexual predator in the neighborhood, then I just don’t see how LE or anyone (FBI??) could make the statement that this is an isolated incident.
so, LE must be looking for the female (parent, who else ??) connection to the school … TH on the radar. However, there must not be any electronic communication between SZ OR TH would definitely be arrested.
So, LE must be looking at ALL of TH’s communictions AND the communications of those communications.
If TH even remotely knows or can guess who SZ is … that would explain the need for a Houze type attorney. Perhaps no direct involvement with the abduction … but had info (at least a suspicion) early on that would have aided in the investigation.
TH’s 90 minute disappearance could have been her (and I said this early on) going to the hidey holes where she and SZ would rendezvous. Info she was trying to keep her husband from finding out in the first weeks and areas of the poly that she would not answer.
But if SZ has been around the school, then his identity has to be known… and if he is a serial then there’s a pattern he’s left behind.
my gerbil like brain is running on the wheel … lol
puzzled says:
December 14, 2010 at 4:52 pm
connecting the dots … this profile has been part of the working theory from early on …IF he is a sexual predator in the neighborhood, then I just don’t see how LE or anyone (FBI??) could make the statement that this is an isolated incident.
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Maybe LE’s original focus on the case led them to believe that that it was an isolated incident. They may have changed their minds about the “isolated incident” statement at this point , but since so much time has passed without a resolution then they don’t feel the need to retract this remark. I do believe that LE was to quick to focus on TH, and not react to the possibility that a random perf could have kidnapped Kyron. JMO
beejay says:
December 14, 2010 at 3:51 pm
@Lea: Are you willing to tell us whose name(s) related to this case were removed from the database you mentioned way back (when you were posting as newsatfive)? Any chance a perp/hacker–rather than LE–removed those? Your thoughts?
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@beejay.
Madame … you possess one heck of a memory.
I imagine you sitting in your own “Kyron Task Force” bunker area of your home.
I visualize you sitting there with notes of “things to follow-up” jotted down and pinned up here and there on the walls around you, and likely a large white dry erase board near your computer with arrows pointing from one clue to the next.
My brain looks like a slice of swiss cheese compared to the work you are able to retain.
Bravo!
I like your newest question that you asked of Lea Conner. (see above – the “news at five” post)
Hoping Lea will reply.
Sorry to jump on the band wagon with names…found a name on the list that made the hairs on my arms stand up ONLY because I’ve seen it mentioned either here before or maybe another website- Please don’t misunderstand me, I know there are millons of men with the same name. I AM NOT IMPLYING that it’s the same person. Just wanted to hyperlink an article about THIS sick b@stard.
When agents searched the house for evidence, they found literature on how to change your identity, material to compose a fake ID, and maps of the Northwest. PJ’s last known locations: Tempe, AZ.
Such sick people in this world. How the hell can someone outsmart the law? And for soooooo long?
Sorry, I forgot to include the link!
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=41948
@puzzled says:
December 14, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Highly organized offender, serial.
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someone who knows how to get in … get out … and get away … far away.
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puzzled, In your opinion, what does a highly organized offender, serial who knows how to get in get out and get far away, usually do with their victim(s)? stash them, peddle them, sell them, bury them? I’m looking for a profile (there’s probably more than one) for this type of offender and still trying to figure out where Ky may be located. (Pulease don’t say “all of the above”
Facilities & Asset Management (FAM) [PPS Facilities & Asset Management (FAM)]
-Project Management: leads volunteer and PPS-funded construction projects throughout the district and works to ensure that all projects meet PPS standards and city codes
-Civic Use of Buildings/Property Management: manages the District’s real estate holdings and the civic (community) use of district buildings
-Sustainability: implements energy efficiency projects, coordinates programs and provides educational resources that promote environmental stewardship and conservation – and significantly reduces the money PPS spends on utilities
-Health & Safety: works to ensure that our school environments are healthy and free from safety and environmental hazards
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/departments/facilities/index.htm
-Maintenance Services: maintains school buildings so they are conducive to teaching and learning
-Custodial Services: keeps our schools and their systems clean and running efficiently
Hi Blink—what do you mean by “facial recognition portion of the cameras?”
[I believe they have a physical description of him, thus the facial recognition portion of the cameras and the statement it was an isolated incident. That is the only way that statement does not sound irresponsible to me. —B ]
Maintenance Services
The Facilities Maintenance Department is responsible for the maintenance, repair and safe operation of PPS facilities. The Maintenance Department oversees approximately nine million square feet of building space in approximately 100 sites throughout Portland. We provide expertise in every aspect of building management and maintenance for all schools and buildings. The skilled trades mechanics’ first priority is fire, life, and safety. Maintenance directs most of our licensed electronics technicians and one plumber to inspect and upgrade fire systems to meet code requirements.
In order to maintain and operate these buildings, maintenance employs 83 workers that includes two carpenters, nine electricians, 14 electronics technicians, three glaziers, two full time grounds keepers and five seasonal workers, two hardware technicians, two full time laborers and one seasonal, four machinists, one music instrument repairman, one painter, 10 plumbers, one roofer, 12 roving trades mechanics, two sheet metal workers, and 13 steamfitters.
Tiger Team: Facilities has implemented a new approach to complete all work orders one site at a time. We review all work orders for all schools and create a schedule for repairs. Faciltiies sends a group of workman from all trades to the site and complete all the wor orders in about three days. The focus is to complete work orders of a more technical nature…electrical, heating, plumbing, and mechanical systems.
Rover Crew: Maintenance also employs 12 roving laborers that visit each site approximately every one and a half years performing small projects.
While these teams focus on specific schools and sites, the remaining maintenance department is dispatched to repair emergency and priority work orders that are submitted by school custodians, field operations supervisors, staff, and craft foreman.
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/departments/facilities/2751.htm
Custodial Services
The mission of Portland Public Schools Custodial Services Department is to enhance the learning environment of our students by providing facilities that are clean, safe and well managed, resulting in every school receiving a high level of customer service, excellent care and support.
The Facility Services department (or FS) is responsible for 94 General Fund buildings (those buildings that receive funding for operations from Portland Public Schools through the state of Oregon). Facility Services is a two-shift operation that covers 9,193,868 gross square feet of space. Each school is divided into sections throughout the city referred to as clusters. Clusters are made up of one High School and each of the Middle and Elementary Schools that feed into it.
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/departments/facilities/2752.htm
I have tried a dozen times but format will not post link so:
ADD “http://www.pps.” in front of link :
PPS/ IT Dept
k12.or.us/departments/information-technology/121234.htm
Blink
I can relate to your post about some one counting steps and watching
everyone and figuring out how to pull this off
watching the bathrooms using a stopwatch
this makes sense
I wonder if Kyron was the target or if he just was in the wrong place
what does IT skills mean
@puzzled
(snipped)”TH’s 90 minute disappearance could have been her (and I said this early on) going to the hidey holes where she and SZ would rendezvous. Info she was trying to keep her husband from finding out in the first weeks and areas of the poly that she would not answer.”
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Her actions since Ky’s disappearance have suggested to me she has a whole lot more to hide than a “hump” in the sand…just sayin..
I do not understand how anyone thinks I am or have changed my position on this whatsoever. I believe this crime is sexually motivated as I have said from day one.
@ Blink, I’m really really sorry if I offended you. I wasn’t at all saying you had changed your position or done a 180. In fact I feel like new information is reinforcing your original position about the sexual motivation and Terri not being directly responsible even further. I don’t know how I came across as saying the opposite of that but I guess I did.
I was asking if the word “opportunistic” was leading us in the direction of a happenstance or by coincidence abduction and not premeditated. Somebody subsequently asked the same thing much better a bit later and got a much more positive response from you on it.
Excellent question. No, just because I classify suspect zero as an opportunist does not mean this was not premeditated, in fact, I absolutely think it was.
I’m sorry I posted so poorly originally and I will refrain and let the core group continue with their ideas. I feel so embarrassed that I’m getting dressed down by Blink and other posters now for having a belief I didn’t even have.
Shannon, not so, it was a general statement, and I genuinely felt you asked a good question.
I was not “dressing you down” sorry if you felt that way.
B
I don’t think Blink has changed course or tone. She stated that this was a sexually motivated crime and Terri let the vampire in. The question really is: did Terri help with Kyron’s disappearance or not? I believe she did, but that is going by my gut feeling from the first press conference. I can’t shake it, but I could be wrong. I do not believe that Terri is the unluckiest kook walking the earth. I do think she willfully participated in Kyrons abduction due to the doctors appointment confusion, her strange actions that day and her behavior in the days following Kyrons disappearance. I can see two scenarios and in #1, Terri may or may not have actively participated. In #2, she most likely caused what happened without helping plan it:
1)As has been stated here, pedophiles often date women with children, that is part of their MO. Terri could have met this man anywhere, but there is also online forums or World of Warcraft. Lots of chatting happens there. If this guy was smart IT wise, he could be using a masking program for all of his online activities, so his IP address and location would stay hidden. Maybe Terri had an affair with this man. If it is true that Terri was venting in emails about her hatred of Kyron, she could have easily said the same things to this guy during pillow talk. RS fits in here, because he saw this guy at the Horman home?
2)Terri was having the affair with RS and trying to get him to do the MFH, as well as venting about her hatred of Kyron. If Kaine was dead, Kyron could go live with Desiree. RS doesn’t have any intention of following through on the MFH, he just likes the sex. Terri starts causing trouble for RS. RS confides all that is going on to an acquaintance or coworker, looking for advice, or just to get it off his chest. This is the vampire. He is a pedo and Kyron is his “type”. He starts planning the abduction. He probably did some work at Skyline and was aware of the routine and layout. If this is the case, Terri may point the finger at RS. She may not have been aware of RS’ confidante. Unfortunately for everyone, the vampire is a transient and hasn’t been seen since Kyron disappeared. RS is telling LE everything he knows about SZ, but he doesn’t know much.
Maybe some of you have scenarios that are more in line with what really happened. I am thinking that RS is the key because of information he has about Terri and/or SZ, not because he helped abduct Kyron. RS could be an undercover that was investigating something else and stumbled on to this, or he may only be a landscaper. Some other things that make Terri look involved are her silence and the fact that she won’t fight to see Kiara. Not too many loving mothers would stay separated from their babies. She must have one hell of a reason and it’s a CYA IMO.
Predators don’t always hunt. Sometimes they lie in wait. If TH and her aborted MFH became known in certain circles, then her child may have come into focus for a savvy pedophile. Therefore sexually motivated works…then TH letting in the vampire works…then the LS being key works (in that he spread the word in those certain circles)….The predator would have seen an opportunity not only for prey…but also a reasonable cloud of suspicion of TH to do his deed unnoticed. And if any of this is even remotely possible…it has worked to near perfection. Thoughts anyone?
Thanks for prying open our rapidly closing minds Ms. B.
@enumclawrose says:
December 14, 2010 at 1:08 pm
“RE: 4.Jden says:
December 14, 2010 at 11:23 am
Jden, But BP has a kid of his own.”
As does Avery V. He’s the father of an infant.
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RE: enumclawrose says:
December 14, 2010 at 1:44 pm
“TY again Evie. I’m thinking an employee that did pickups and deliveries, or a maintenance person type. Someone that would go to more than one school in a day as part of their routine.”
YW.. These two schools belong to different school districts, so as a norm, they would not share any of that sort of staff.
Now, reaching, there could be some sort of delivery/outside vendor that services both districts but you’d need something to narrow it down for a start point.
Perhaps as I work my way through the names on the mailing list something will pop up.
Things are heating up around here.
I agree with Blink (almost always) about teaching your kids to trust their gut. When I was in my early 20′s I had drinks with a stranger in downtown Portland. I have been guilty in my time of a lot of “at risk” behaviors. But that day my radar was going off like never before. I lured the guy into feeling like I was into him and when he went to the bathroom I ran as fast as I could. To this day, nearly 30 years later, I am convinced I escaped a serial predator, if not killer. Trust your instincts! Teach your kids to do the same.
Just been thnking about Blink’s profile (highly organized, masterful IT), and how someone might regularly enter the school. What about PPS contract for computer installation/maintenance? Look around and saw that Cascade Computer Maitenance has large service contracts for State of Washington and Oregon, including PPS. Here’s the link for who they serve,
http://www.ccmaint.com/about-2/
I wonder if CCM also serves individuals or small businesses too.
No electronic footprint, but has masterful IT skills
B
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as in manulipating cell phone pings and sext/texts?
@Malty:
IT = Information Technology (computer skills).
My significant other just walked in the room and asked me what I was doing. I said, “I’m Blinking”. He is bewildered.
Lol lol. That’s a keeper.
B
@lyla
Highly organized offender, serial.
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suggest high intelligence and well thought out plan; not a random take him because you can scenario. This is why they’re saying pre-meditated. Serial because this has been done before.. to perfection.
There are classifications to serial crimes … and signatures.
What this SZ did with Kryon depends on why he took him … if it was for personal gratifcation, then Ky is gone and was very quickly after being used (sorry).. BUT would not necessarily have been taken out of area.. and I do think Ky was taken straight away from Oregon.
Having worked with sexual abuse victims and have some working knowledge of ritual abuse, I really really resist going there with that thought.
Just an FYI … my reference to TH and her hidey holes was not a little afternoon delight, but if she had learned of Ky’s disappearance and she set out to look for him … that’s what I was meaning.
18.Shannon says:
December 14, 2010 at 6:10 pm
I feel so embarrassed that I’m getting dressed down by Blink and other posters now for having a belief I didn’t even have.
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no, no … no reason to be embarrassed. I use to feel like I was having to go stand in the corner, but now I just apologize and go stand in the corner on my own. lol
you’re very welcome here.
Indeed, lol, thanks.
B
Can someone refresh my memory as to what exactly a “USM HOLD” without it being an immigration issue be for?
The reason I ask is because my radar became sensitive to an
individual currently being held at MC jail, his linkedin profile says
he works with semi-conductors, and he appears to be unmarried. His parents are listed on the USA People search and also on Veromi public directory.
MCSO has him as 52 years of age???
Anyone? I’m just not use to seeing a USM hold without immigration being involved.
TIA
19.foobros says:
December 14, 2010 at 6:22 pm
20.Jeff D says:
December 14, 2010 at 6:30 pm
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both really good summarizations that include TH, RS and SZ.
I am hung up on “Highly organized offender, serial” suggesting to me something other than some sexual/social networking by moms and landscapers and pedophiles. Something’s not working for me.
Could SZ/ IT savvy guy have been introduced to RS/ family businesses ?
A thread or two back IIRC Beejay & MockingbirdSings were following names & businesses. There was talk of web site for their businesses … Portland & surrounding area has A LOT of IT guys that do “computer stuff” out of their house but not full time job.
Could he be a friend of a friend ?
Could ALL the agencies involved have been for WHAT was discovered in “sanchez” clan etc BUT no tie to Kyron abduction per se ?
Or could be @ one time part of RS/LS crew w/ an alias–no trace left behind- a ghost ?
This person could of been helping “IT” set-up on the “side” for RS/LS … transit worker ?
JMHO … questioning … wandering … to infinity & beyond FOR Kyron
Jeff D (December 14 at 630pm)
Very plausible.
Besides Portland Public Schools, other interesting clients of Cascade Computer Maintenance–
“CCM has been awarded both the States of Washington and Oregon IT infrastructure support and service contracts and has maintained them for over ten years and counting. Through our State contracts, CCM has worked with many large government agencies; including the Oregon Department of Transportation and Washington’s Administrative Office of the Courts. CCM covers thousands of pieces of equipment over broad geographic regions for our agency clients. In addition to larger agencies, CCM works with over one-hundred Northwest city governments and various other Northwest agencies.”
They have also designed and installed networks for DMV.
Found this interesting …
Child Sex Offender CSO – one who is actually convicted of sex crime/s against a child/children.
Pedophile – is a clinical diagnosis of a paraphelia of the nature of attraction to children.
There are two types of offenders:
opportunistic offend randomly in public to unknown, unsupervised children.
predator is known to the victim, they groom the child and create a sense of dependancy.
CSO Facts
99% are male, 89% are known to the victim
predators are very manipulative, articulate and patient (generally)
they wait until they have the victims trust before they act
they have power/authority over the child and make them feel special/important
they have hobbies that are of interest to children
choose to volunteer/work in child related areas
try to partener with the parents of the children they are attracted to
they seek out children with similar characteristics (eg an attraction to children with long dark hair and freckles )
seek out children with previous history of abuse or neglect (eg children of parents with hard drug dependancies are easy targets)
Sometimes they have thier own history of being abused
they are socially enept with those of thier own age group
move frequently ( a common occupation is truck driving)
They become involved in the activities thier victim is involved in
they have an idealised/romanticised vision of the child
predators seek out children starved of attention
Grooming of a victim
exploitation of trust
they isolate the victim from thier supports (family, friends)
exploite influence on the victim and make themselves more important than thier parents
they provide expensive gifts, outings and holidays
they desensitise the child to nudity, sexual material and touch
they then advance to physical contact on demand ( the child will recognise a signal, word, expression or behaviour from the offender as a cue)
these signals may be as subtle as a grunt
they then increase the victims dependance on the offender
they use threats post-offence to co-erce the child not to tell about the act
Signs to look out for
signs of grooming can be hard to detect but here are some to be aware of
the child is given age innappropriate gifts eg lingerie
anxiety levels of victims are noticible when discussing the offender
child performs complex or unusual behaviour on demand
the child is overly concerned with thier safety
the child disengages from the conversation if it becomes too sensitive for them to handle (just stares at the wall and completely blocks out the conversation)
they may change topic or decide they have to look for something
display agression
they may withdraw from family, friends, activities
may display self-harm, self-mutilation, talk about death
may discard hygiene practises in an effort to make themseles less attractive
*A child usually will not diclose the abuse until it stops or is discovered. These may be brought on by a break created away from the offender.*
minti.com/parenting-advice/6625/Child-sex-offenders-and-pedophiles-their-behaviour-and-how-to-protect-you-kids/#
@ Sammy says:
December 14, 2010 at 5:10 pm
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LOL! I am blessed with nearly photographic memory. Which is good since I lack the organizational skills to white board everything.
No, today I’m in a Portland hotel room wondering if it’s always this stormy here and whether a tornado was gonna actually move this way. But room service is excellent; and a treat.
P.S.–I hope Lea will answer that one, too.
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Opportunist Sexual Predator Pedophile- Highly organized offender, serial.
No kids of his own, possible divorce.
Possibly dated someone with kids in the area.
Skills or resources to go underground quickly and for sustained periods of time.
Able to function undetected in the community, but familiar enough to fit in.
No electronic footprint, but has masterful IT skills
Has had access to Skyline prior to 6/4/10 possibly through work, which I would guess is construction/electric/plumbing related.
Before you ask, yes, I believe Kyron ran into him in the “Cool Electric” Science Fair displays.
B
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One name on the school list:
Male
Has a child @ the school
Was at the Science fair in the ‘Electric’ area
Attended SF without a spouse
Has IT skills, possibly masterful
Functions well in the community
Blink, in this case, I don’t think GZ even had to walk the halls or count steps. I think TH did all that for him. If this had been an employee or delivery person, LE would have already found them. This person might never have even been at the school before this. I think TH told KY where to go to see a project she knew would interest him and GZ was right there waiting. Maybe she said, he’ll be the child in the CSI tee shirt (that hurts even to think about). I think she set up KY and knew exactly what was going to happen that day and her talkativeness with AL was “excitement” because she thought another one of her plans had worked. All MOO.
puzzled says:
December 14, 2010 at 6:50 pm
No electronic footprint, but has masterful IT skills
B
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as in manulipating cell phone pings and sext/texts?
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Or emails maybe
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@Malty says:
I wonder if Kyron was the target or if he just was in the wrong place
what does IT skills mean
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IT- Information Technology – computer skills
I haven’t had a darn thing to add lately, folks. Just an observation here: I’m in and out of schools around here often during the week, and it still stuns me that I can just dawdle about and, for the most part, nobody asks me who I am or what I am doing! Of course, I’m a plump middle aged gal and probably not terribly suspicious looking, but still…it really bothers me. I hate that I have to think that way, what has this world come to? Anyway, I can totally see this perp at Skyline being able to scope everything out ahead of time without raising any suspicions. I can’t even limit my focus to folks affiliated with the school, it could be anybody. What if this perp just saw an opportunity? Or maybe has attended other functions at the school, just making a plan? Would anyone question that one guy that walks in and acts like he belongs there? I hope ya’ll a catching my drift here. It makes me physically ill just thinking about it. I desperately hope LE will find this monster and soon. We all must watch over our children, it “takes a village” to keep them safe. Love and prayers for Kyron and all that love him.
@Shannon- Just keep swimming…like I did, LOL!
Does someone still have TMH FB “likes” or something like that ? TMH listed something about sex abuse or something to that connection.
Could TMH have been trolling thru such sites & blah blah blah in some chat room &/ or off site ? Could she have been trolling for “sex” w/ “like minded”, when actually she “hooked” a pedophile instead ?
KH keeps saying TMH was all about electronic communication — could this be how he “came thru the door” ?
Does someone have that FB (I do not “do” FB)
JMHO … questioning … wandering … to infinity & beyond FOR Kyron.
Thanks
October 17, 2010
http://www.oregonlive.com/hillsboro/index.ssf/2010/10/hillsboro_school_district_employee_accused_of_possessing_child_porn.html
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Second-degree encouraging child sex abuse pertains to the possession or viewing of child pornography, according to the state statute.
Beth Graser, Hillsboro School District spokeswoman, said Gard was arrested at the district’s office. Gard, a systems specialist in the technology services department, has been employed with the district for nearly four years, Graser said.
Gard worked only at the district office and did not work at a school with children, Graser said. Since his arrest, school officials have blocked his access to the district’s systems and information. He was placed on unpaid administrative leave.
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In my search for the above captioned article, I stumbled on these. Perhaps the child porn problem in Portland is the on going investigation? Remember the stuff that was on TH’s computer, where we were informed that it had something to do with school district information? I just posted a few busts, but there is more of this to be found, as you know. Can’t help but think this is all a part of the big picture.
Bus Driver Porn Charge
http://www.katu.com/news/103722594.html?s=experts
Aloha Couple Arrested for Making Child Porn
http://www.katu.com/news/local/85645112.html?
Roseburg Teacher 500 Counts Encouraging Child Porn
http://www.katu.com/news/97876029.html?s=national
Child Sex Trafficking in “Pornland”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/09/abc_news_piece_highlights_chil.html
My desire to understand outweighs my fear of looking stupid. Is there anyone that can explain what Blink meant by “facial recognition portion of the cameras?”
[I believe they have a physical description of him, thus the facial recognition portion of the cameras and the statement it was an isolated incident. That is the only way that statement does not sound irresponsible to me. —B ]
I think LE was irresponsible to make a statement of “isolated incident” and I’d like to understand how they could make a statement involving public safety without some sort of concrete evidence.
The cameras that were installed this Summer at Skyline have a facial recognition mode. Nothing stupid about that question.
B
33.cd says:
December 14, 2010 at 7:39 pm
puzzled says:
December 14, 2010 at 6:50 pm
No electronic footprint, but has masterful IT skills
B
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as in manulipating cell phone pings and sext/texts?
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Or emails maybe
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that too … wasn’t going to say it … lol
@33.beejay says:
December 14, 2010 at 7:34 pm
@ Sammy says:
December 14, 2010 at 5:10 pm
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LOL! I am blessed with nearly photographic memory. Which is good since I lack the organizational skills to white board everything.
No, today I’m in a Portland hotel room wondering if it’s always this stormy here and whether a tornado was gonna actually move this way. But room service is excellent; and a treat.
P.S.–I hope Lea will answer that one, too.
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Welcome to cold and wet WINTER Oregon! I am still amazed by your skills and many other dedicated blinksters to uncover info and leave no stone unturned in the search to find what happened to Kyron. Sad thinking that he is missing the holiday season.
Opportunist Sexual Predator Pedophile- Highly organized offender, serial.
Definition (courtesy of riverpearl .. ty):
Pedophile – is a clinical diagnosis of a paraphelia of the nature of attraction to children.
There are two types of offenders:
opportunistic offend randomly in public to unknown, unsupervised children.
predator is known to the victim, they groom the child and create a sense of dependancy.
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this “profile” covers all the possibilities. Nothing about age or race was included.
Wonder how they got the “masterful IT skills” … suggests more than user friendly.
These are some random statement about pedophile~
It is important to understand the relationship of pedophile to innocent child victim
Pedophile operates from a position of power and control
It is a carefully planned assault
Stranger pedophiles are rare and don’t groom a child. They abduct, violate then dispose of the body.
Select a Victim
Based on certain qualities (color of hair, body shape, age, vulnerability)
Can be one or the other sex or both
Build trust
Be friendly and not pushy
Slowly builds child’s trust
Family Control – Non family member
Build trust of parents, confidence of child
Ingratiate into family
Available for favors
May offer to babysit or pick up/deliver child to school or activity [I asked before WHO was allowed to do this for Kyron ]
Mediator between parent and child [Now was SZ listening to TMH chit about Ky ?]
Talk a long time to calm a child down
Absent parent makes child very vulnerable [Was TMH 'hate' of Ky, leaving Ky open to someone to LISTEN to him in Pltd ?]
One study found that the average number of victims for non-incestuous pedophiles who molest girls is 20; for pedophiles who *prefer boys, over 100.*
Predatory pedophiles, especially those who molest boys, are the sex offenders who have the highest recidivism rates. Over long follow-up periods, more than half of convicted pedophiles are rearrested for a new offense.
Pedophiles frequently are *uncomfortable with adult intimacy* and may spend their lives maneuvering to be near children. *They may be extremely charming and skilled at manipulating adults, and they will use adult relationships to gain access to children.*
The pedophile may spend years working his way up to a position of authority and trust within a church, school, or youth organization in order to have access to children.
What is a sexual predator?
The definition of “predator” differs from state to state, but is generally reserved for the most dangerous sex offenders. Many states use nearly identical words to describe this type of sex offender and the offenses he perpetrates. In the words of the Kansas Sexually Violent Predator Act, “predatory acts” are those “acts directed towards strangers or individuals with whom relationships have been established or promoted for the primary purpose of victimization.” The state of California states: “‘Predatory’ means an act is directed toward a stranger, a person of casual acquaintance with whom no substantial relationship exists, or an individual with whom a relationship has been established or promoted for the primary purpose of victimization.” In some states, the definition includes criteria involving the use of violence, weapons, or causing injury during the commission of a sex crime, or those offenders who have had multiple victims. Repeat offenders, and those who have committed abduction of children or adults for sexual purposes may also be considered predators.
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BLINK- Is your description of SZ = “Opportunist Sexual Predator Pedophile” include him as NON-CONVICTED/ NO RECORD PERP ? –a “ghost” ?
TIA
JMHO … questioning … wandering FOR Kyron to infinity & beyond.
Blink, Can SZ be one of RSE’s associate? You have mentioned mechanical employees in the past. Don’t forget “supportive services” like OT, vision therapy, psychologists, and speech are often off-site and handle more than one school.
@ Blink, puzzled & Idahogal
Needed it tonight.
Thanks… that’s all, just thanks
@ mosaic says:
December 14, 2010 at 7:51 pm
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I have never believed the perp was not a danger to other children. But rather than repeat my speculations, I’ll just bring over Dan Staton’s words (from that July 2 interview I keep hounding everyone to read) and then make my own comments:
Mather: “Sheriff, earlier when this all began Capt. Gates was very emphatic when he said that the office fully believes this is an isolated incident. Do you still stand by that, can you comment on that? Do you really believe this is just a one-time thing that happened?”
Staton: “Right at this particular point we have nothing that indicates that this is a serial type of event. Nothing’s been developed in the course of the investigation that would leave us to believe that.”
link:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_investigation_tra.html
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Now, doesn’t that sound just like the way Staton speaks when he says the investigation has found nothing that indicates Ky is not alive???
I believe that is what MCSO based their early reassurances to the community on: NO evidence that this is a “serial” event. And, today, assuming the perp is still unknown, they do not NOW have anything that suggests this is a “serial” event (Staton seems to reason that if it is not known to be a serial event, it is therefore an isolated event.)
Outside of Staton’s own reasoning, in talking with personal contacts who’ve been heads of LE agencies, to a person they all said they would try to assure the community that there was no danger given this set of facts. When I pushed a few guys on that I got one very pragmatic comment, to the effect that since LE doesn’t KNOW there’s a perp on the loose who’s likely to repeat nearby, it would be cruel to the families who have to send their kids back to school to allow them to panic. IDK what I’d have done.
@puzzled
Thanks for answering my questions….I get so frustrated…you are a good resource as is Blink and a lot of other posters on this site. Kudos!
Kimberly says:
December 14, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Can someone refresh my memory as to what exactly a “USM HOLD” without it being an immigration issue be for?
The reason I ask is because my radar became sensitive to an
individual currently being held at MC jail, his linkedin profile says
he works with semi-conductors, and he appears to be unmarried. His parents are listed on the USA People search and also on Veromi public directory.
MCSO has him as 52 years of age???
Anyone? I’m just not use to seeing a USM hold without immigration being involved.
TIA
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@Kimberly.
You got my interest piqued about the USM holds so I did some googling.
First entry that shows up in a google of “USM hold” – was this page that lists “Multnomah Counties 75 most recent people booked on a USM Hold”.
I was surprised at how many there are in just the past month in just this one county.
Holy Cow!
http://pdxmugshots.com/charge/usm-hold-u-
I took a look across that whole page of pictures, and I do believe my radar pinged at that same face as you’re thinking off.
Out of those 75 pics – something about the face/eyes of one guy ran a chill up my spine as soon as I saw him.
(nope, not claiming any psychic-spine abilities. lol)
I then checked a little further, and see that his age is the same and the semi conductor thing does match up + sounds like it’s the same guy that made your radar sensitive.
I hesitant to post any names here – I understand B’s wish that names be vetted off BOC, but this guy gives me the creeps.
Wonder if it’s the same guy that caused you to take a second look at him?
Without mentioning any names … if you go to that link I posted above – the guy I’m looking at is in the second row.
As for your question about USM Hold.
I’m certainly no expert, but to me that is a US Marshall Hold and could be for MANY things besides immigration.
I would think it a USM Hold would not be for your run of the mill small time crimes … but fugitives that the Federal Govt has a stake in getting their hands on.
A quick look at Wikipedia desribes the many types of crimes and other duties handled by the Marshall service.
panda says:
December 14, 2010 at 7:37 pm
Hi Panda,
You have definitely sparked my interest! Do you have some way of checking this person out?