Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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thinking out loud … if SZ has no electronic footprint, but has masterful IT skills … suggests there’s not been text/emails between SZ and whoever …BUT he could have gotten a lot … I said a lot … of info about Ky from TH’s facebook.
Just read online yesterday about the security features of FB not being secure at all. Someone with masterful IT skills would know how to access all of the data … and if someone used their blackberry to upload to FB and download to email … voila … they’re in.
Explains the FBI high techies being involved.
@enumclawrose says:
December 14, 2010 at 2:48 pm
“We will never find because those are the footprints we have been tracking.
snip>
No electronic footprint, but has masterful IT skills
B”
If I’m reading you right, e-rose, my time would be better spent hanging out at North Precinct chatting up my contacts and doing this the old fashioned way.. not that those dudes are letting anything slip, grrr.
Or, changing hairdressers to the west side.
47.beejay says:
December 14, 2010 at 8:19 pm
@ mosaic says:
December 14, 2010 at 7:51 pm
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I have never believed the perp was not a danger to other children.
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@Beejay: If this suspect is a pedophile and he abducted this one child to satisfy his deviant needs, he IS at risk for re-offending as long as he remains free out in the community. Believe me, LE/FBI know this. I get the impression that LE feels this IS an isolated incident. I suspect this is where most of their circumstantial evidence has *seemed* to lead them, thus far.
LE/FBI may have at least one theory that this crime was not perpetrated by a pedophile. They may feel that Suspect Zero abducted this child for a specific purpose that had nothing to do with sexual gratification (i.e. revenge, retaliation, conspiracy to commit kidnapping for financial gain/extortion, and so on). These scenarios would lend credence to the “isolated incident” comment.
That said, having several LE in my extended family, I have been told that LE does not care too much for provoking panic in their communities. My LE kin tell me they can understand why Staton said that, even if he himself may not have been totally convinced it was true.
JMOO.
And thanks so much, Blink, for weighing in with all your helpful comments. My eyes always gravitate immediately toward those bolded posts!
Prayers for Kyron and all who love him.
Well one thing I have noticed is that our computer men at work are
popular everyone wants to tie them up with personal computer
problems talk sofware
they have trouble getting down the hall to work
I even have bothered them
this has been educational reading about perps
I think I kind of pushed the subject to the back not really wanting
to know an uncomfortable subject
but we need to know
thanks for the posts
We have constant construction at work
so I was thinking if I notice some measuring stepping off
who is it
answer floor men
Blink,
Does the Spring 2010 Skyline auction hold any clues?
There is electrical, plumbing, computer, electric-cool, not to mention farms, gardening, carpet, river boat rides.
Spring Auction list includes:
Electrical Service with Access Electric & Construction, LLC
Craig Anderson Plumbing, Inc
Computer services by staff:
Optimize Your Personal Computer (Seth I.)
Is your PC dragging? Do you want to get it running at its best? Turn it over to a PC expert for two hours. He’ll run diagnostics and make it a smoking hot machine once again!
Green Whole House Carpet Cleaning
Donation by two male faculty:
40 kids! One night! The overnight adventure of a lifetime at Skyline School includes rock climbing, star gazing, big screen movie, art projects, games, cooking, and the ultimate school tour! Dinner, late night snack and breakfast are included. Directors of fun are Mr. Keefer and Mr. Gardes. The date is Friday, May 14. $50 per student.
#902, By Ben Keefer and Brian Gardes
Mad Science Field Trip
Battery-Operated Thomas Track Ride
McDonalds Package for Boys
and more.
See:
https://skylineauction.schoolauction.net/skylineauction/donation_items?per_page=1000&search%5Bis_visible_to_public_eq%5D=1
Blink — Queen of diversion
As I am certain you meant that as a compliment, my sincere thanks.
B
We are replacing all the carpet with flooring
at work threw out the whole place
carpet being unclean compared to flooring
yeah if I saw counting steps and all I would
just think it was floor men who work 8 pm
on
durning my shift
but they are not friendly really
wc says:
Blink, in this case, I don’t think GZ even had to walk the halls or count steps. I think TH did all that for him.
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Agreed.
@panda. I guess your reference has a family of redheads & a property well situated?
@jan. Auction a masterful, experienced thought. Staffer donating with principal has facebook & is on rate my teachers. I know you were thinking of computer donors tho. my kids’ schools have always had staff sleepouts donated to kid groups
Evie, Yes, grrrr. Not meant to discourage, just wondering what we can really accomplish in regards to SZ. I feel like B is trying to point us in the right direction, but it is hard to see where to go from here. We aren’t going to find the perp on the net and we shouldn’t exchange names unless they are properly vetted (which has been a colaberative effort). Not trying to complain, but it’s kind of all we had going for us. There must be something we are missing. What?
If I was in Portland, I would probably try and have lunch with Beejay tomorrow. Then I would hang out with you at the presinct and maybe we could go get out hair done together on the west side. On Sunday, I would try and meet with the gang.
No matter, it always comes back to what Ky’s family is going through and how much he matters to all of us, most of us stangers, but feel as though we kind of know him now. It makes me want to go out and look for him myself, futile as that obviously is, we all just want to do something. If we are this frustrated, I can only imagine what LE and the family are feeling. God Bless Them.
2.evie says:
December 14, 2010 at 9:56 pm
@enumclawrose says:
December 14, 2010 at 2:48 pm
“We will never find because those are the footprints we have been tracking.
snip>
No electronic footprint, but has masterful IT skills
B”
If I’m reading you right, e-rose, my time would be better spent hanging out at North Precinct chatting up my contacts and doing this the old fashioned way.. not that those dudes are letting anything slip, grrr.
Or, changing hairdressers to the west side.
really hope this is not related to this case
Child’s foot washes ashore in Tacoma, WA (Seattle area)
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Childs-foot-washes-ashore-in-Tacoma-111894624.html
OMG I worked on those cases privately a few years ago. It is not Kyron’s, but there is a serial individual out there.
B
Recently KH talked on JVM, someone even carried a portion of transcript over –
Remember KH spoke of (paraphrase) “a tangled financial record of TMH”.
Could she have used the “skills” of an “IT” to “hide” $’s ?
Didn’t someone mention TMH “wish list or purchase” of program to LEARN Spanish ?
Could she been looking to “blend in” in a non-English speaking country ?
IF TMH had learned the econmics of divorce w/ 2 prior divorces– would she have “tried” to be “smarter”?
We all have known &/ or heard of one half of a couple who well in advance of divorce start “stashing” money etc from the other half (that is usually clueless to the behind the curtain going ons).
A person it that postion would look for/ use an “IT” person “off the radar” so to speak.
Was this another “craigslist ad”?
I still take pause w/ “contract killer-MFH” but what IF she sought out “a man of many trades” so to speak ?
Could this be part of the problem to figure out TMH “income”?
Something to ponder, TMH had got her teaching license updated — how did she get her continuing education credits ? Teachers here could better explain requirements if any but I thought a teacher had to have CE’s to maintain teaching creds to have a legit license ? Also we have seen TMH linkin “resume” and even though she repeatedly states numerous teaching positions @ Skyline & PPS, she was never an employee @ Skyline &/ or PPS .
How would that work @ another school, would they NOT verify her “emplyment &/ or experience”?
Was she expecting someone w/i PPS&/ or Skyline to “cover/ verify” her to any/ all inquires ?
IMO Did she have “forged” papers of some type ?
How far off the path had TMH gone ?
Side Note~ “DDS cousin’ ” made a rather strange comment regarding talking to DDS.
She had a “list” (guess to “keep track” of her answers to cousin).
It was after their “talk” she “BURNED” her notes. (yes, WTH ?!)
Could TMH have been doing something similair w/ “her paperwork”– her “trail” ?
JMHO … Questioning … Wandering … To infinity & beyond FOR Kyron.
wonder WHY groundskeeper Dave Stensen – who is publicly KNOWN to be there even if for a short time, – is not on latest Skyline list, what gives?!
He is definitely on the list.
B
caracara says:
December 14, 2010 at 8:32 am
As the editors said, you’d think that at some point during the day, or on the bus, a desk-mate might ask, “Where’s Kyron?” I really hope some unnamed person isn’t using TP for his/her own purposes.
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I will have to look for it–but I remember reading, early on, that several children in the classroom DID question why Kyron wasn’t there-even pointing out that his things were left behind.
Snipped from:
beejay says:
December 14, 2010 at 3:51 pm
Also, Lea, any idea why that camera would’ve been mounted on the church and, I assume, pointed toward the school PRIOR to June 4? You know, the church would’ve been an ideal place for a perp to use to gather info about the school comings and goings. (Also, one would hope FBI did a sweep of the church prior to holding press conferences there, with family and, presumably, LE being in various areas of the church around that time. Odd not to use a LE-operated building for security reasons.)
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Okay, I have wanted to say, from the very beginning, that the church across the street makes me really nervous. I hope no one thinks I’m crazy for saying that. I’m not talking about the lady who owns it and has lent it out to LE for press conferences, etc., but about other people who use it. I always had an icky feeling that someone used the churches closeness to Skyline for spying on the kids there. Forgive me if that seems like a weird thing to say-but after Lea said that about the camera-I had to say what I had been thinking.
Jan — That Spring Auction sure made my mind spring.
B, should we include or exclude finally these two:
BP=plumbing-electrical, possibly some IT? (maybe)
MC=positive IT man may have some electrical skills
I feel sick to my stomach after reading the last two pages. Prayers for little Ky today and always. Love to Kyron.
Blink, Blink, Blink…I told you a long time ago there was something wrong with the people here in FL! I think it’s in the water!!! First our economy goes to pot because of the oil spill that never reached our beaches and now a total nut with a can of spray and a gun goes face to face with our school board!
Forgot to add where you can see almost all except where he shoots himself
YouTube – Florida School Board Meeting Shooting – Full WMBB Video …
Rambling gunman dead after opening fire at Florida school meeting full story: …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQjQOlJvMzE
A point of pleasure amid the dross. This member of the list (an at-home dad attending that day) has lovely area pictures and the best collection of 400 recipes I’ve seen. Want to try them all & will be heartbroken if he takes his site private. http://www.coertvonk.com/family/cooking/our-recipes-231
Lovely gentleman.
B
1.beejay says:
December 14, 2010 at 11:16 am
Blink, I understand your response to this post to mean that there WAS a sexual predator at Skyline that day, and MCSO has a description (not made public) of him. Am I reading you correctly?
TIA
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That is my opinion, and that of some of our inside sources, yes.
B
Based on the above, I’m thinking that we can remove several people from our POI abductor list:
MC, JW, DDS, BP, AV, DS aka GK, the Pope, the Mayor, and just about anyone else that we know of, including the names on “the List”. Crapola!
I always think about the guy that tried to kidnap me, can’t help it. He was most likely just trolling around that parking lot and saw 2 kids left unattended in a car. Pulled up and parked next to us, starting chatting, real friendly, even exposed himself to me and being so young, I had no clue! I think given another minute or two he would have had me in his car. If he had been more aggressive, well it would have only taken a few seconds to grab me and drive away. Some perps just troll about looking for their “chance”, and others plan in advance. I honestly don’t think it would have been difficult to take any child from the school that day, and that scares the $#*T out of me. I’ve noticed at many schools, especially in the morning and afternoon, when buses are arriving and the kids are all over the place milling about. It is always chaotic, how easy for some sicko to make a child disappear? Especially if they have been watching, planning, waiting. The other thing I notice so often now are little kids walking to and from school without an adult, and I think of John Gardner taking Amber DuBois right off the strret like he did, just because she was walking along alone. They call these people predators for a good reason. I’m really starting to wonder if TH is the unluckiest kook ever, although I would not be surprised if this perp turns out to be someone they know. Someone like Timur VanDykes, or some of the preachers, teachers, etc., we have heard about in the news over the years. Someone that has an MO of gaining everyone’s trust in order to commit their crimes.
Every day I look at the new photos of Kyron on the Missing Kyron FB page and I get tears in my eyes. I want this SOB found, and Kyron found, and soon. I pray for resolution, I pray that this perp hasn’t/doesn’t hurt anyone else, and I pray for Kyron and all that love him.
BTW I have larengitis, which has made the hubby so happy! However, it looks grim as of now for the lunch date. Perhaps a note pad and sign language would do? Sigh…
@loreli48- Just want you to know I pray for you and your family every day, God Bless you, my friend.
Looking through old links I bookmarked –
Someone mentioned a kid with the last name of Lopez as a friend of Kyron’s (don’t want to publish the first name)
The list of people at the school is published on 42nd State’s blog (the old ORegonlive poster)
http://alternate-theories.blogspot.com/
A happier thought – Christmas tree decorated for Kyron
http://www.kptv.com/news/26047262/detail.html
They’re speculating about a guy named Brent on SM
Re: Drugs: Kaine had said early on TH had taken “legal stimulants” – meaning?
It is generally thought the frequently when people start an addicted lifestyle, they start hanging around with others doing something similar (they might need a dealer too) which are frequently NOT the people they would associate with when they had a healthier frame of mind.
I guess LE could (and is) try to match the physical description with known sex offenders, if this person has been on the radar ever
Perhaps a kid, a young one, gave this physical description
melissab says:
December 15, 2010 at 8:42 am
Blink, Blink, Blink…I told you a long time ago there was something wrong with the people here in FL! I think it’s in the water!!!
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@ melissab.
Oh so agree with you about FLA.
I’m a currently displaced midwesterner – having to live in FL for one more year.
The gunman at the school board meeting – just another day here in the sunshine state.
I swear every time I hear a weird/oddball crime story on the news … I wait a few seconds to hear the inevitable phrase that follows – “Dateline: This Just In From Florida”.
My current saying is – “All the loose marbles eventually roll down to Florida.”.
Cannot wait to move back HOME to my solid midwest stock of peeps.
(apologies to the many fine Floridians – but there is a disproportionate amount of strange people from around the country who cannot make a life where they live – that find their way to Florida)
Do we know what kind of life insurance ($) policy KH carried? IMO, TH called off the MFH because she saw the ability for a steady income via child support and alimony (she didn’t work and would need at least short term alimony support)and would get child support until daugther turns 18. Also, I know this sounds crazy, but by TH scheming a financial plan for her departure from this marriage…would removing Ky serve 2 purposes. 1) Give her the ammo to say that KH’s behavior since Ky’s disappearance has made him incredibly unstable, giving her argument for divorce as well as for her to have full custody of the baby and further supporting the need for child support and alimony. And 2) Ky was aware of some of TH’s illicit activities which would jeopardize her ability to get $ from KH. If Ky could share anything with KH or DY of TH’s adulterous behavior, this would give KH the upper hand in a divorce and her long-term financial plan would not pan out. I know the discussions are past this point, but this has been a thought I have had for some time. I think TH has been scheming some sort of plan for a ‘new’ life shortly after the birth of their daughter. However, her personality type would have to create a reason for divorce so she doesn’t look like the bad guy filing for divorce with little known problems. I know WHY TH did what she did really doesn’t matter at this point, all that matters is that we find Kyron. I pray every day for this boy so that he is not suffering and comes home to DY and KH.
Queen of Diversion (lol): Why were the high IT skills needed?
But what about me?
Lol.
Because in general, a suspect zero at this level of execution and impulse has had to have other outlets to suppress urges or these types would be caught more often. Because there is more going on with this profile than just your garden variety sicko, we have to factor that the chance he took to remove a child from his school is part of his MO.
Predatory Pedos, although there are many types and classifications, if in fact my opinion is correct, will adapt with skill.
B
22.Idahogal says:
December 15, 2010 at 10:02 am
I’m thinking that we can remove several people from our POI abductor list:
MC, JW, DDS, BP, AV, DS aka GK, the Pope, the Mayor, and just about an
yone else that we know of, including the names on “the List”.
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LOL … you didn’t take us off the list??? I’m in agreement; these folks can probably go on with their lives without fear that Blinksters are tracking them. What a relief!
My feelings on Suspect Zero are:
1) He knows what he is doing. Going into a crowded school and “disappearing” a child without being seen (or at least recognized) is not the work of an amateur or CSI fan. Some have mentioned that he is a “pro”. Since kidnappings for ransom and kidnapping from schools is very rare in the US, it suggests this individual is likely from Mexico, Central America or South America; and possibly has drug ties. This does not mean that he looks hispanic. The typical appearance we associate with “Mexicans” is due to Aztec, Mayan or other Native American ancestory. Persons from many parts of Latin America can look very European.
2) What is his motivation? He most likely is a pedophile doing this for his own “pleasure”. It is hard to picture a kidnapping for ransom, since Kaine doesn’t appear rich and the Horman’s did not appear to live a lavish lifestyle. I doubt a “disappearance for hire”, since I don’t think pros work cheap, and I don’t see TH ponying up a lot of money to pay. I also don’t think a kidnapping to recover a landscaping debt is likely. Although it is conceivable that there was big-time drug dealing going on, I have seen no evidence that Kaine, Terri, DDS, DY or TY had any big-time drug deals going on.
3) What happened to Kyron? I doubt he was “handed off” to TH, or anyone else for that matter. I suspect Supect Zero did whatever he did and disposed of Kyron in a place where he may never be found.
Am I convinced of this? No. Is it possible that Kyron is being held somewhere in order to make Terri keep quiet? Yes, but I think it unlikely – it would be easier to “silence” TH than go through all this. Could TH have hired somebody to “stash” Kyron? Yes, but I would suspect this would be very expensive; and, even then, What would be the end game?
Is TH involved? It is likely that the kidnapper knows TH somehow. She does appear to be covering something up. But I doubt she is the mastermind.
I agree 100% if she is involved she is not the mastermind. If she were, one would need to explain her utter lack of preparation post-offense. The way Kyron almost vanished into thin air vs. her activites the balance of the day and forward do not jibe.
@beejay says:
Why were the high IT skills needed?
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Welcome to Oregon beejay!!! Don’t know where you trip plans are taking you, but I’ll be on the lookout for red scooters. lol
Seriously, I commend you for your skillful insight. You were right on with the Pedo guy. The high IT skills sends a chilling “danger” signal to me. Maybe because I’m not fluent in IT knowledge, but it seems this is the “weapon” and playing field of this character. Scary to me because I don’t think the average internet user is equipped to protect themselves from the level of invasion that is possible by someone with high IT skills.
Also, interested in your take that Blink is releasing this profile. Is the “character” reading on here? (use your intuitive thinking skills; am trying to be discreet in code)
I’d ask Blink … but I might have to go to the self-imposed corner again. lol
Hope you and yours enjoy your visit.
The cameras that were installed this Summer at Skyline have a facial recognition mode. Nothing stupid about that question.
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So ,,,,, the non-public physical description, must be a drawing
that they can enter into the facial recoginition mode, which lets them determine IF, suspect zero has been back or is frequently back at the school??????
Is it fair to say they got the non public physical description from some of the video they requested several months back?
Doubtful it is a drawing, they would need an image. The image could be scanned to scale from a drawing I suppose, but in general this software is state of the art to match points on a person’s face and person unique to them.
As an example, to be a match in AFIS, a print must have 16 points unique to the individual to be considered a match.
Facial recognition software is similar, but to my knowledge has a loaded database interface.
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Because in general, a suspect zero at this level of execution and impulse has had to have other outlets to suppress urges or these types would be caught more often. Because there is more going on with this profile than just your garden variety sicko, we have to factor that the chance he took to remove a child from his school is part of his MO.
Predatory Pedos, although there are many types and classifications, if in fact my opinion is correct, will adapt with skill.
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this would be what Sheriff was referring to when said “things we wish we didn’t know”. A serial pedophile using the internet to search and seek for potential victims. As Blink said … not your “garden variety” type sex offender.
I said in August, the investigation “appeared” to be going dormant to take the media focus off the “perp” in hope (strategy) that he would quietly surface in some way.
I know people want TH to be the mastermind behind this … she’s not. She may be the conduit or gateway and even actually know who the a**hole is, but this was not her plan.
I better understand the appeals by DY and KH to Ky and not to the perp.
32.GeorgiaDad says:
December 15, 2010 at 11:10 am
My feelings on Suspect Zero are:
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very succient snyopsis. I must read before I write. lol
Perfect example of how ONE person, can have so many birthdates and ages, along with a host of alias’.
http://www.usmarshals.gov/investigations/major_cases/balderrama.htm
Wonder if we have anyone with that/those names here in Oregon?
IT guy. Someone TH & KH know. Someone from Intel?
B… How are the other children safe at skyline, if this is perv. abduction???
That is a question for MCSO
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Blink: Gotcha and TY very much. Any idea that Timur is capable of developing those IT skills?
FWIW, I still think much of TH’s post-event behavior could be explained by a combination of: scared s***less; protectiveness of her two other children; and eventually getting a clue that she could easily have been/be framed for Ky’s fate. Not that I’m letting that limit any alternative explanations. I’m still exploring old loose ends to see if there’s any tie-in.
Quick data-dump and then out into the fresh air.
@enumclawrose: Elsy showed up in a white pages search as a Household member at Ubaldo and Marie’s residence on 162nd. That’s how she was placed at that addy. Addy and apartment neighbors posted here by me here earlier.
@evie: Can you shake anything loose about Elsy’s missing kids? We know PPD has the Elsy case, DHS is involved with the kids; Maria G. Sanchez has a year round space at the Portland Flower Market. All that posted by me here.
Misc: Roloff guy is friends with Kaine; don’t know where friendship started, but Roloff used to hang out at Bottoms Up also.
@puzzled: TY for the welcome; it’s lovely to visit, but I wouldn’t wanna live here (for one, I have mold allergies and the climate supports mold)!
I kinda think any clever PEDO would not be reading here or anywhere else for awhile. Your average internet user who knows just enough to get themselves in trouble/be vulnerable, however, might well be reading here. JMHO.
I’ll be mute here for awhile (Hi, Idahogal–my DH is so envious of yours, enjoying his quiet. Just for fun, did you see the German father who took matters into his own hands? I know you have those skills from your earlier life–Link below)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/8197617/German-man-castrates-teenage-daughters-57-year-old-boyfriend.html
He does not need to develop them, he already has them.
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beejay says:
December 15, 2010 at 10:46 am
Queen of Diversion (lol): Why were the high IT skills needed?
But what about me?
Lol.
Because in general, a suspect zero at this level of execution and impulse has had to have other outlets to suppress urges or these types would be caught more often. Because there is more going on with this profile than just your garden variety sicko, we have to factor that the chance he took to remove a child from his school is part of his MO.
Predatory Pedos, although there are many types and classifications, if in fact my opinion is correct, will adapt with skill.
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What if….SZ was romantically acquainted with a certain POI in this case and the emotional involvement with the POI “launched” the motivation for SZ’s actions? Possibly????
@zeus
December 15, 2010 at 5:28 am
zeus says: I will have to look for it–but I remember reading, early on, that several children in the classroom DID question why Kyron wasn’t there-even pointing out that his things were left behind.
me: I vaguely remember that too and will look for the source too. We’ve heard different things from different people (surprise, surprise!), e.g., he’s in the bathroom, at a doctor’s appointment, went along for his baby sister’s doctor’s appointment, left with Terri, didn’t leave with Terri, had started out in a small group of students to tour exhibits and didn’t return, (or the tour was on Thursday, not Friday), etc.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/24/kyron-horman-case-initial-timeline-for-june-4th/
…(paraphrasing here while looking for a hard source) Kurtis, Kyron’s good friend and lunch buddy, stated that Kyron, while Kyron was still at the school on the morning of June 4th, told him he had a doctor’s appointment.
This is quite a convoluted mess.
Blink,
I haven’t seen you mention a general age range for suspect zero?
Ok I’m totally confused…who’s SZ?
Going back to Simple instead of Complicated:
Is TH a material witness?
Often not the same as Suspect. Sometimes it is, sometimes it’s not. At times, an MW can be a person who has committed an unrelated crime, which was discovered, and which accidentally or indirectly provided evidence concerning the Big Crime that LE is trying to solve.
That would explain under-the-radar for TH right now, it would explain no media hounding her, no shocking photos of her ala Casey Anthony sobbing while walking on a sidewalk with a lawyer, etc.
It would explain that she has in fact told LE “everything she knows” and that LE cannot risk having media or public knowing what that is.
And no LE agency would have to tell KH or DY any of it while the investigation is hot.
Noting that Staton in his last public statements said that he was or was about to meet with KH and DY and ask them to not make public statements without those statements being vetted by LE? It could be that they were getting too familiar with information they were learning on their own, even through gossip, and they had to be told to make no further public statements.
41.lyla says:
December 15, 2010 at 12:16 pm
What if….SZ was romantically acquainted with a certain POI in this case and the emotional involvement with the POI “launched” the motivation for SZ’s actions? Possibly????
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pedo of this nature is not likely to form romantic attachement to female. for luring/grooming of child, possibly
I would think it would be very easy for a child to disappear without a trace if the child went willingly…
But then again look at Haleigh Cummings – not a trace
Adam Walsh- not a trace
enumclawrose says:
December 15, 2010 at 11:52 am
IT guy. Someone TH & KH know. Someone from Intel?
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Very interesting regarding Jim K on list
On June 26th in interviews, KH said that searchers were looking at places familiar with Kyron, such as the pumpkin farm that they frequently visit
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Tyler K- project on animater
http://www.katu.com/news/local/98434609.html
One person who has been asked again about what he saw is Skyline seventh-grader Tyler Kessinger, whose science fair project was on antimatter. He said investigators came back to interview him last week at his home.
“I just saw him (Kyron) in the gym, and I saw the truck out in the parking lot,” he said Wednesday. Kessinger said Kyron was looking at other students’ science fair projects, seemed happy and was with friends.
Kessinger said he hopes it’s all cleared up soon because it’s a frightening situation for him.
“Just knowing someone took him and not coming out and confessing, and that he’s probably in some other random place,” he said.
He said when he saw Kyron in the gym he didn’t see Terri Horman with him. He and his family have turned over pictures they took at the science fair to investigators, but they’ve been asked not to disclose the timeframe in which he saw Kyron.
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Jim K on list of parents at the school.
Something I did not know is that he was an employee at INTEL and has a computer back ground
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jim-kessinger/b/742/567
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Jim/Kessinger
Is he a friend of KH or enemy? would be interesting to know their history, including working relationship.
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Tyler stated family turned over pics of SF yet I do not see his mother on the list, unless she goes by a different name..anyone know?
I think it was a simple thing to lure him into a vehicle with someone he “kinda” knew and drove kyron away from the school. I don’t necessarily think TH did it but she sure knows who did- she’s keeping an extremely low profile and that doesn’t seem to be her nature.
puzzled says:
December 14, 2010 at 7:25 pm
19.foobros says:
December 14, 2010 at 6:22 pm
20.Jeff D says:
December 14, 2010 at 6:30 pm
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both really good summarizations that include TH, RS and SZ.
I am hung up on “Highly organized offender, serial” suggesting to me something other than some sexual/social networking by moms and landscapers and pedophiles. Something’s not working for me.
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Puzzled, I agree with you that something isn’t adding up here. We have to find the connection between TH, RS and SZ. If Terri didn’t mastermind this, she still knows more than what she is saying. All her behavior points to that. RS is the key and we know he and TH had a relationship. RS is the key to? finding SZ? How does RS know SZ? TH must have some kind of knowledge of SZ too. It looks like TH connected the dots on June 4th. Wouldn’t RS have the same knowledge TH has? Or did TH have separate dealings with SZ that RS doesn’t know about? You would think if RS is the key, LE would have SZ in custody. Unless RS is SZ. IIRC, RS is not in custody, just staying hidden from the public eye (y’all correct me if I’m wrong on that LOL). Maybe SZ is Terris hitman and RS introduced them?
I can so see TH finding a ped online to take care of her business and even setting up the scene, assisting in the delivery of Kryon from the school on June 4th and then freaking out about how to alibi up. Maybe she “got a call” that Kyron was taken, one that was expected all along and then called KH at work – explaning the racing about on SI – but, how does DDS come into play? Do we really feel certain that another human being/woman would actually participate in disposing of an innocent child? What would be her motivation? Sex? Can that be such a driving force?
God keep you, Kyron.
Riverpearl says:
December 15, 2010 at 3:59 am
re license renewal –
April 30th, 2010 change for license renewal:
http://www.tspc.state.or.us/news.asp?option=&id=371
“Recency requirements were removed from the rules by the Teacher Standards and Practices Commission at their April 30th meeting.
Removal of these requirements means that licensees will NO LONGER need to meet the one full year of experience during the life of the license for renewal, or the following equivalent combinations that could be substituted:
One hundred eighty days of teaching in schools; Any combination of time .5 FTE or more that totals 180 days of experience during the life of the license will be accepted; or nine quarter or six semester hours of preparation completed in a regionally accredited institution; or a combination of experience and academic credit germane to the license may be submitted in satisfaction of this requirement in which one quarter hour of preparation equals 20 days and one semester hour equals 30 days of experience.”
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Terri renewed her teaching license in February (2010) before the changes above by submitting coursework in lieu of experience. She did not do enough coursework (based on the number of hours needed) to earn an endorsement in any related area. If she had, it should have been mentioned along with her license when she renewed. She is allowed to list volunteer hours in lieu of coursework, but it doesn’t appear she did. You have to have administrative verification of volunteer hours if you submit them for renewal. A resume can say anything until someone wants to verify your hours.
A basic license is acceptable, but is worth very little in a competitive market, except for substituting. Many years ago, I came to Oregon and had to get a basic license because I did not take Oregon history in another state. Even then I was fortunate to get hired when many of my colleagues had master’s degrees and/or many years of experience. Now you have administrators looking for “highly qualified” teachers because of the “No Child Left Behind” changes and there are national tests you can take and endorsements you can earn to bolster your qualifications. A basic license with no experience in your own classroom (vs subbing) and the limited references she would have doesn’t put her in a very good position to get a job.
Skyline School’s focus on the IB program would make getting a job there with only a basic license and limited experience very difficult or impossible even if other teachers were not as good at teaching as you thought you were. There are many other well-qualified candidates in line for every teaching job.
Hi Blink and Blinksters,
I’ve been reading here since the second week of June.
Hoping someone can answer a question for me. I searched Oregon Sex Offenders “registry” for Timur Dykes. I found a “hit” in Multnomah County, which also lists Mr. Dykes’ address as “MCDC, Jail, 97203. The page was last updated on 11/22/10. Does this mean he is currently in custody?
Here is the link to the Probation Dept page that I’m talking about:
http://www2.co.multnomah.or.us/Public/EntryPoint?ct=29463e0c0f1c3010VgnVCM1000003bc614acRCRD
Thanks Blink and Blinksters for all the hard (and sometimes very painful) work you are doing here!