Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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Jden says:
December 15, 2010 at 9:03 pm
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Jden, if TK is who I think you mean-he is a 7th grader. He is the one who said he saw Kyron with friends in the gym, saw the white truck in the parking lot, and who did his project on anti-matter.
My question was then and now-how did he see TH’s truck, in a parking lot, at a distance-and know, for absolutely positive that it was her truck? Was she standing beside it? I don’t believe so, and that would be about the only reason to think it was her truck and not one of the many other white trucks that could be in the vicinity on any given day and at any given time.
Also, WHY would TK know TH’s vehicle, does he memorize the vehicle of every person that goes to his school, etc.? And even more important-TH almost always drove her red mustang, so why would the white truck even stick out to him as belonging to her to begin with.
The only way I can resolve some of this in my mind is if TK maybe had a little crush on TH and was paying more attention to her and her cars than normal.
Laurel Canyon says:
December 15, 2010 at 6:09 pm
This “suspect zero” stuff seems pretty kooky to me. I have a hard time believing that LE would not release this info to the public – both as a safety precaution to protect other kids in the area, and to enlist the public’s help in identifying this person.
The whole “letting the vampire in” thing doesn’t work for me either. If TH let a vampire in, it’s likely because she invited them to her house with a scheme of her own design already in mind, opened the door and began plotting with the vampire how to get rid of Kyron (and Kaine).
When it was learned that TH failed LDTs – there were a lot of excuses made for her – such as maybe she was up to something else she wanted to hide unrelated to Kyron.
When the MFH stuff came out – that was questioned as not being for real – probably something a vindictive landscaper made up.
When the sexting stuff was released – that was made to appear as if Kaine and MC might have “cooked” that up themselves to frame TH.
We’ve had alleged kidnapper notes, vampires, suspect zeroes, vindictive landscapers, the TH was blindsided/framed theories – a lot of “suggestions” to minimize TH’s role.
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Laurel Canyon: I agree with you, and also have a difficult time understanding the myriad of theories seeking to minimize TH’s role in the disappearance of Kyron. I’ve noticed a distinctive pattern that whenever damning evidence against TH surfaces the theories seeking to discount that evidence, and place blame elsewhere, begin in earnest.
If we are to believe the recent theory that TH is not the author of her own internet communications (because some random perpetrator decided months ago to hack into TH’s accounts/frame her for Kyron’s disappearance) we must also believe this perpetrator remotely controlled her actions over the past several months as well.
Respectfully, I have noticed that if people were of the mindset that TH premeditated what happened to Kyron no amount of evidence to the contrary is being absorbed.
Again respectfully, that could allow a dangerous predator to remain at large.
I believe and have stated that TH has some level of complicity. If it were that simple, Kyron would have been located and she would have been arrested by now, imo. The amount of investigative agencies involved in this case do not get mobilized the way they were, and continue to be, to build a prosecutorial case. They get mobilized like this because there are parallel investigations occurring and imo, they have a description but DO NOT KNOW who Kyron left with.
I want to remind everyone of something that Tony Young said in a recent interview.
(par) He said that he was convinced that TH was involved with Kyron’s disappearance, no doubt in his mind.
He followed that up with, if not Terri, than who?
As a seasoned detective, he already knows sometimes there is an answer to that question.
Again, not making anyone wrong or “scolding” anyone (no corners anyone, we are all friends here)-
But logically, TH is no Keyzer Soze.
B
Sammy my friend…what you said about FL should be on the welcome to FL sign!
Sammy says:
Cannot wait to move back HOME to my solid midwest stock of peeps.
(apologies to the many fine Floridians – but there is a disproportionate amount of strange people from around the country who cannot make a life where they live – that find their way to Florida)
Just an FYI from ol FL again! A man, in my town, was convicted earlier this year for purchasing “time” with a child from her mother. Pedo rented a room in mother/childs home. She was only 3. Pedoporn on the computer too. I think that MOST pedos are more computer lit than your normal person. IMO!!!!
Totally agree with you Laurel Canyon! I’m sorry to say that this blog seems all over the place- not focused- everyone needs to tighten up information and refrain from going off on tangents otherwise nothing is accomplished and Kyron will not be found….. This child needs to be found soon!
Does anyone know if there was an IT tech at the school that morning maybe servicing computers? Or a tech servicing copy machines fax machines etc…?
melissab says:
December 16, 2010 at 8:05 am
A man, in my town, was convicted earlier this year for purchasing “time” with a child from her mother. Pedo rented a room in mother/childs home. She was only 3. Pedoporn on the computer too. I think that MOST pedos are more computer lit than your normal person. IMO!!!!
@melissab: I’ve been too afraid to write it but it has been one of my fears that this perpetrator had been purchasing time with Kyron prior to the abduction. This would explain TH complete lack of cooperation, the individual she was “loaning” her stepson to, decides that he can’t live without him for the Summer and takes him for keeps. What could she possibly offer that wouldn’t implicate herself completely.
To Jan (Dec 15 at 10:49am):
PP site is definitely focused and all about children and not as much directed to families. Plenty of draws. The Kyron look-alike is in more than a few shots and posed in an odd position. I mapped it, the patch is .69 miles (2 minutes) from Skyline school.
Can anyone decipher this? Blink, please don’t post if you feel inappropriate but when I opened this up I nearly fainted! JK’s “pictures”… there is a body builder and a naked man with legs spread open… same position as the child pose on the website!
http://www.123people.com/s/jim+kessinger
also one more comment- sexually motivated crime could mean things other than a pediphile- Sexually motivated on TH’s part, on DD’s part, on TH and KH’s part, on TH and DD part on TH and male lover’s part- many possibilities. These make more sense that scouring jail/prison rosters. Also as I said in another post, someone that was in the school that morning knows something and is not talking I get that gut feeling about it.
Maybe that’s not the Portland JK?
Wireless is such a risk to the security of info. I know it’s convenient and saves $, but I so wish PPS weren’t using it. Go look around PPS’s IT webpages; it’s public info. A shopping portal for PEDOs, who can target a parent/teacher/etc and go to their individual or networked personal computers. Go look around in depth at these links and their pdfs. Look at which PPS depts are on the RedDot CMS (POS, my IT guys tell me). Tech savvy people here can interpret what this means to them about security of PPS students.
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/departments/information-technology/1337.htm
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/departments/information-technology/index.htm
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/departments/
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@justice 23, you said, “what if our SZ is someone who has never yet been arrested/convicted of anything?”
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Exactly.
@ Jden says:
December 16, 2010 at 9:20 am
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Your link is a database. The photos are from all their sources for people with that name. You have to then find the ones that are related to YOUR JK. Not all those photos will be his.
zeus says:
December 16, 2010 at 6:08 am
I agree with everything and am too unsettled about TK’s account. Additionally, I recall reading that the gym windows are high so it was questionable how TK could have seen the parking lot. He might have seen TH drive up that morning with Kyron and therefore knew where she parked.
The PP website gives me the creeps. I wonder if the grounds of PP were searched.
Blink says: Respectfully, I have noticed that if people were of the mindset that TH premeditated what happened to Kyron no amount of evidence to the contrary is being absorbed….
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I am of the opinion – not mindset – that TH premeditated and actively participated in what happened to Kyron, because that is what the evidence and TH’s own behavior/actions since June 4th support, and what Kyron’s own family and LE clearly believe. I don’t doubt she had an accomplice, but she can hardly name that accomplice to LE without implicating herself. They may not know who Kyron left with – but I bet they are confident it was a person who TH instructed to be there at X time.
There may be parallel investigations going on into whatever else they’ve turned up that TH may have been involved in – whether those things are related or unrelated to Kyron – it does not diminish TH’s role in what happened to Kyron.
I doubt anyone believes TH to have Keyser Soze-like powers. 40 years old and confined to her parents’ house? Evil yes, genius no!
TH’s sexting with RS … we don’t know if those sexts went viral or how many and who all saw them. That would be a hook for … well any sexual deviant. Could be the sexts caught the eye of SZ and he took it from there … wasn’t hard because of all the info about Horman family that’s out there.
If TH’s sexts were a part of a larger loosely organized sexting ring … then the potential number of SZs is huge … and they’re not all non-speaking illegals.
TH’s involvement in sexting and earning $$$ from such activity is something she would not want her husband to learn about.
lily says:
December 16, 2010 at 12:43 am
If you google face recognition camera security or some combination of that you can read volumes of stuff regarding FRT (face recognition technology) and it’s various benefits and downsides.
Basically, a school (or a district on a wide area network) will take digital photos of students and workers and store them in the new camera system. When a camera spots a face in a school that it cannot match to a stored photo, it will alert security. These systems can also detect suspended and expelled students and fired employees or even RSO’s… so the potential is just starting to be fully explored.
It’s used all of the time right now in casinos and airports and gov’t buildings.
Excellent Point about it’s other use, I forgot that mode, your right.
B
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That’s awesome! I had no idea it could do that!
Nancy says:
December 16, 2010 at 6:45 am
Laurel Canyon says:
December 15, 2010 at 6:09 pm
And others…
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I understand your point of view about TH, and how it may appear that others are minimizing TH involvement or trying to distract from her involvement.
To me it is much more about how I choose to live in this crazy world and what choices I make when I encounter others in the game of life. I could convict TH along with others, on the perception of the other parents, 2nd and 3rd accounts of others, and hope I am right and kyron is found. In this case there would be no need for me to be here, I would wait for the info as they are released
Or
I can choose to view TH, a person who I have never met, talked to, seen personally, or even heard her voice, as innocent. Knowing that LE has her part completely coVered. I then can look in all different directions for a link to find kyron and hopefully find elsy and kids in the process. Or some other wrong that needs to be made right. And learn about the evil that lurks in the corners so I can protect my family better that I did yesterday and the day before.
I choose the second AND am completely fine with it being the first as long as kyron is found.
What would it mean to you if TH were completely innocent? It would mean that……..? (The answer would be personal and be neither right or wrong)
BTW, PPS schools and other bldgs are available for rent to public groups (earns some $ for PPS). But also opens up these bldgs to lots of people who’d otherwise have no access (and opens doors for uninvited “guests”, too).
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/departments/civic-use-of-buildings/index.htm
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I’m told that the new animation software (Blink mentioned??) that’s cheap and user-friendly is really obstructing child porn investigators. Pervs can imbed the REAL child images in the animation so that only another perv who knows exactly what images he’s looking for can find them. For an investigator to do so would be like looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack. $50. and GUI interface skills gets you access. This is not high level IT skills either (well, it would be for me, but…) Discouraging.
I have to disagree with you Blink respectfully that I don’t think it was very complicated at all. I think it was pre- planned but either something didn’t happen the way it was supposed to or TH got cold feet and panicked realizing that “it” actually happened. I don’t think that TH did the actual kidnapping but her actions that day were part of the plan. I think she had help from more than one person but I don’t think that person was a pedophile per-say. Kyron may have ended up in the hands of a pedophile but I don’t think a pedophile kidnapped him. It will end up to be someone in TH circle of friend/acquaintences.
Jden says:
December 16, 2010 at 9:20 am
@Jden – there are lots of Jim Kessinger’s. The pictures do not all belong to just one of them. Jim Kessinger’s FB page is private but does have his picture and his likes (no bodybuilding shown).
Couple of off topic news events here locally. Just reminds me continually of the scary sick people in the world.
http://www.kptv.com/news/26158607/detail.html
Prostitute stabbed her kidnapper
Couple Arrested In Baby Formula Theft Ring
A Gresham couple is accused of stealing baby formula worth more than $5 million from Safeway grocery stores
they said on the local fox 12 news that even LA California police are involved on this baby formula theft ring,
http://www.kptv.com/index.html
MockingbirdSings says:
December 16, 2010 at 2:51 am
(snip)
If SZ wanted to personally check out the school, the easiest time would be on Thursday afternoon when the exhibits were set up and few or no pictures were being taken. Lots of people would be carrying things in and out. Until the set up was at least partially done, it might be hard to see the best routes, the areas where one’s view would be blocked by the exhibits, etc., even if you had been in the school before. I would like to see a list of who was at the school on Thursday afternoon, but I think it would be hard to have gotten a complete list.
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@MBS.
So many good points to ponder in your words this morning.
I too have thought that Thursday June 3rd was a date to focus looking at.
LE came out early asking for any surveillance video’s and pics from not only the day of the science fair – but also the day before.
Likely hoping to catch a glimpse of any unusual car/truck traveling those roads the day before Kyron disappeared.
The perp finalizing his plans.
You made some very good points about Thursday June 3rd:
1) Thursday 6/3 was not an ordinary school day at Skyline (at least the afternoon).
It would have been a day at when many people were in + out of the building for set-up. Staff may not be as aware of a person checking out the school – someone trying to blend in among a lot of other people that usually were not at the school during the school day.
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2) The perp would have wanted to have a better idea of what the classrooms would look like Friday with the displays set up all over the classrooms.
Thursday would have the exhibits mostly set-up and he could fine tune his exit plan/etc.
Makes sense that LE would want to see any video they could get of June the 3rd as well as the 4th.
This was the release from MCSO that requested video of both JUne 3rd and 4th:
“The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office is requesting recorded video images that may have been recorded from store fronts, private residences, security or any other surveillance recording for June 3, 2010 and June 4 2010 to add to current video collected in the continuing search for Kyron Horman. Video is sought specifically of vehicular traffic from the following locations:
NW Cornelius Pass Rd, NW Germantown Rd, NW Logie Trail Rd, NW Rocky Point Rd, NW Skyline Rd, NW 185th Ave, NW West Union Rd, NW Springville Rd, Bethany Blvd, NW Springville Rd, NW Newberry Rd, NW McNamee Rd, Highway 30 from NW Rock Point to NW Germantown Rd, NW Kaiser Rd, NW Thompson Rd and NW Laidlaw Rd.”
15.beejay says:
December 16, 2010 at 9:44 am
@justice 23, you said, “what if our SZ is someone who has never yet been arrested/convicted of anything?”
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Exactly.
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Yep. I’m really thinking Blink is right, TH just might be the unluckiest kook in the world. And FWIW I do not think the perp is on any “list”, IMO he is MIA.
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abc123 says:
December 15, 2010 at 10:23 pm
wc says:
December 15, 2010 at 5:17 pm
@abc123 & wc – Thanks to both of you for the posts and info. Wonder if these dots are connected? It wouldn’t suprise me at all. Just maybe in the process of all these busts LE will find our perp. I sure hope so, before he offends again, which I feel is probable. All IMOO.
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Astaria says:
December 15, 2010 at 1:53 pm
RE: Timur VanDykes
@Astaria- As far as I know he is on probation, not in jail. Makes me want to puke. He is a prime example of one of many sorry SOBs that should be castrated, period, END OF PROBLEM. JMHO.
Laurel Canyon says:
December 16, 2010 at 10:58 am
Blink says: Respectfully, I have noticed that if people were of the mindset that TH premeditated what happened to Kyron no amount of evidence to the contrary is being absorbed….
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I am of the opinion – not mindset – that TH premeditated and actively participated in what happened to Kyron, because that is what the evidence and TH’s own behavior/actions since June 4th support, and what Kyron’s own family and LE clearly believe. I don’t doubt she had an accomplice, but she can hardly name that accomplice to LE without implicating herself. They may not know who Kyron left with – but I bet they are confident it was a person who TH instructed to be there at X time.
There may be parallel investigations going on into whatever else they’ve turned up that TH may have been involved in – whether those things are related or unrelated to Kyron – it does not diminish TH’s role in what happened to Kyron.
I doubt anyone believes TH to have Keyser Soze-like powers. 40 years old and confined to her parents’ house? Evil yes, genius no!
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I am 100% agreement with you Laurel Canyon! I’m surprised at the amount of crazy theories being discussed seriously over here. I would expect that from a couple of other sites. People are all over the map now.
Laurel Canyon, IodizedSeaSalt, Nancy…yes, I wholeheartedly agree! For me the heighth of the weird and wacky was some pointing fingers at the mayor of Portland in Kyron’s disappearance. He’s not everyone’s favorite politician, but really? That said, each day though, I return to read here to see what’s “new” because without any actual developments (made public anyway) in the case, it’s just so frustrating and heartbreaking.
After reading this page I feel like I’m going to throw up. Find Kyron now, please. This poor child. Love to Kyron and prayers always.
There have been some posts about the windows in the gym at Skyline being too high for anyone to look out of.
Also, someone posted wondering if there were windows in the bathrooms at Skyline.
The link below has pics from 2009 of Skyline that show both interior and exterior shots.
On that page:
1) the first pic shows how high up the wall the windows of the gym are. (much too high for a student to easily glance out off. MOO)
2) the 3rd group of pics over (labeled “interior”) – contain pics of a typical classroom and also a bathroom. This bathroom does look like it has a window.
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/Kyron%20Related%20-%20Random/
Did TH go back to the school during the time she cannot account for — that 90 minute block — and get Kyron?
Did she give him instructions about when she would pick him up for some so-called doctor’s appointment?
And did she pull this off by not driving KH’s truck back to the school?
In other words, the idea that Kyron did not leave with TH is based on her first departure from the school.
The time period that LE questions — that 90 minutes of her aimlessly driving around with a sick child — could involve her switching vehicles, returning to the school, meeting Kyron as they planned to meet, and sweeping him out of there without anyone noticing. Mainly they would not notice because she was already seen earlier in the morning in the crowd. When she returned, the crowd was still mingling and the tours still occurring. Poof, Kyron is out of the building.
She drives off, hands Kyron over, and gets KH’s truck back. Buh-bye to her accomplice, who very well might have scoped out the school and be that SZ fellow.
They both could have been there, and then decided that the best way to get Kyron out of the school was for TH to go back and do it herself.
Returning from FM #2 to Skyline, dealing with her Kyron “issue,” and then later going to the gym would use up all that gaping 90 minutes.
I’ve been to school functions with big crowds. You can walk into the auditorium, be seen, leave to go to the bathroom or run outside to turn your car lights off, stop and chat with someone, forget that your house is on fire, rush back home and extinguish the flames, run back to the school, get your seat in the auditorium, everyone focused on the school show, and no one notices you were gone for an hour.
Can be done.
Pedophiles in the neighborhood is like the elephant in the room … no one wants to talk about it. People who have no association with deviant behavior are shocked when they learn that someone who would never be suspected, is doing unbelievable things.
I’ve lost count of the number of men in my area of the state, this year, who have been charged with promoting internet child pornography and who were in respectable positions of public trust … i.e. police force, school, coaching … while using work issued computers to access these X-rated sites.
It is emotionally safer to blame one person as the evil-doer who let the vampire in rather than address the bigger issue of pedophilia. Characterizing someone a sociopathic psycho means we’re not like them, so “this” couldn’t happen to my family.
Sexual predators are a societial problem … they have moved into the neighborhood.
Another follow-on thought about the masterful IT skills. I am welling up with anger, rage, and horror at the thought, but what if LE has found images of Kyron in some online porn exchange? Could this be what makes LE well up with tears at press conferences? The things we wish we didn’t know? The reason why Desiree is so certain Kyron is stashed somewhere? The reason why Blink is saying this person has masterful IT skills but no electronic footprint? Why this is not your “garden-variety” pedo?
Dear Lord, I pray this is not the case, but this is how my brain is now connecting the dots….
A couple of indisputable facts people are overlooking.
1) LE knows within feet of where TH was every minute of June 4th via the GPS on her smartphone.
1) There has been from the beginning an FBI profile of the person who took Ky. It is not the profile of TH.
These two facts alone, eliminate TH as the perp.
Laurel Canyon says:
December 16, 2010 at 10:58 am
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Can you tell us what LE clearly believes?
Because I have never heard them specifically state what their belief is, most recently they said they were check pedo and then released the list and never mentioned TH.
As for her actions after the 4th, according to interviews with KH on june 26th, he and TH, gave access to their home many times without a search warrant, turned over cell phones, had their truck towed by LE without a warrant, had hours of interviews with LE, took two polys, per FB made fliers available to be distributed AND let a flyer with her pic and truck be distributed locally and nationally in an effort to find Kyron and was done with her consent.
Is this the actions you speak of that shows her guilt? Is there still a 90min gap in her time line or has that been closed?
What is a garden variety pedo anyway
@Laurel Canyon says:
December 16, 2010 at 10:58 am
Blink says: Respectfully, I have noticed that if people were of the mindset that TH premeditated what happened to Kyron no amount of evidence to the contrary is being absorbed….
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I am of the opinion – not mindset – that TH premeditated and actively participated in what happened to Kyron, because that is what the evidence and TH’s own behavior/actions since June 4th support, and what Kyron’s own family and LE clearly believe. I don’t doubt she had an accomplice, but she can hardly name that accomplice to LE without implicating herself. They may not know who Kyron left with – but I bet they are confident it was a person who TH instructed to be there at X time.
There may be parallel investigations going on into whatever else they’ve turned up that TH may have been involved in – whether those things are related or unrelated to Kyron – it does not diminish TH’s role in what happened to Kyron.
I doubt anyone believes TH to have Keyser Soze-like powers. 40 years old and confined to her parents’ house? Evil yes, genius no!
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Come on Laurel. Be reasonable. You REALLY don’t believe it was a team of undocumented, satanic, pedophile, kidnapping-for-revenge lawn mowers?!
puzzled says:
December 16, 2010 at 1:46 pm
A couple of indisputable facts people are overlooking.
1) LE knows within feet of where TH was every minute of June 4th via the GPS on her smartphone.
1) There has been from the beginning an FBI profile of the person who took Ky. It is not the profile of TH.
These two facts alone, eliminate TH as the perp.
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How do you know these as facts????
KRfox LOL!! I’m sorry this isn’t a funny subject and I often get saddened beyond belief when I read here about this little sweetie But I did have to chuckle at that comment.. I think I needed that.
puzzled says:
December 16, 2010 at 12:36 pm
“It is emotionally safer to blame one person as the evil-doer who let the vampire in rather than address the bigger issue of pedophilia. Characterizing someone a sociopathic psycho means we’re not like them, so “this” couldn’t happen to my family. ”
(First time poster; long time lurker)…..I agree. It is so much easier to blame TH, than to consider that something much more sinister contributed to poor Kyron’s disappearance. Since none of us know her, there is no positive ‘press’ about her, she has not spoken out on her own behalf, and there is so much garbage played out in the media which no one knows to be factual; it is so much easier to believe that this was an isolated incident and could not occur in ‘my own backyard’. I would like to believe that this could not happen in my child’s school, but so sadly this can occur anywhere.
Maybe TH was involved in something unsavory that brought this person into her circle, or maybe it was some random incident and Kyron was targeted for reasons we will never know. It appears at this time that TH was involved in something that made her seek counsel, but I don’t believe that it was because she masterminded Kyron’s disappearance.
I pray that LE has the perseverance to find out what happened to this poor child, find the persons responsible and bring closure in some form for his family.
So heartbreaking at any time of the year, but at the holidays when family is so important and a truly a time for children, I pray that Kyron’s family can find peace in some form.
Blink,
Why, out of all of the children that day at the Science Fair, did
this perp pick Kyron??
27.NelMel says:
December 16, 2010 at 12:09 pm
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Wow, Nelmel. Yours is certainly a thought provoking post.
21.Midwest Mom says:
December 16, 2010 at 11:15 am
@Midwest Mom – Well said. I want someone’s “head on a stick” as much as anyone else does, but I want to be sure it is the right head. IMOO, TH will answer for whatever it is she has done eventually. It may be the MFH plot and/or something else, only time will tell.
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1.MockingbirdSings says:
December 16, 2010 at 2:46 am
Mockingbird- Excellent post and thoughts, as always. TY.
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33.puzzled says:
December 16, 2010 at 12:36
@puzzled – Great posts, nodding my head again, yes, yes. I’ve learned more about peds and SOs than I ever wanted to know this year. Unfortunately, ignorance is NOT bliss, and sticking our heads in the sand is not gong to solve the problem or protect our kids. I know that I am a much more vigilant parent and person because of it, and if that helps or saves some innocent child someday that would be great. If it weren’t for the women that observed my attempted abduction and intervened, I would probably not be here today.
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Blink – TY’s comment “If not TH then who?” is emblazoned in my brain. That was the single most important statement made in that interview and IMO very telling.
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@Riverpearl – Thanks again for always providing so much great info., I really count on your help and great sleuthing.
Terri Horman is guilty of something, written all over her face.
@Marci …
Deductive reasoning. If TH had a phone with internet capabilities then she had GPS and unless she took the battery out and threw the damn thing in the bushes, her route that day and the days before and the days since are in the hands of LE, including FBI.
The profile is of a male … pretty sure that’s not TH.
Well Thanks Blink
now I know who Keyzer Soze Is
I learn something new to me every day here
I think looking in every possible direction for Kyron is the right thing
to do
@Idahogal …
my personal wish has been the perp would be discovered to be a deranged monkey. Second to that would be the non-speaking illegals with zero impulse control. I would be ready to smack those sumabitches around, myself.
I did not want to entertain the reality of a pedophile on the loose. Certainly not one of the highly evolved level of behavior that the profile suggests.
Blink has said and I concur … unless you have had experience with these perps or their victims … you cannot imagine the gates of hell that are opened and the evil that is unleashed.
My apologies in advance if I have offended anyone … I am angry. I am sickened. And I am sad.
While checking out the link http://www.123people.com/s/jim+kessinger
which was in a prior post above, I saw something disturbing as well. There’s a photo of people riding a mini-train. Enlarge it…sure looks like Kyron in the sleeveless blue shirt, riding with a man and woman!! Please look! Is there any way to find out when and where the photo was taken??
Is their a seal order? I have the entire docket so if there is, it is recent.
B
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No seal order that I am aware of, but no access ??? Reasons for dismissal???
In short, he was deported improperly, so he is not guilty of illegal re-entry, etc.
B
I’ll hold the sumabitches down….:)
Is SZ someone’s Facebook friend? Let’s be honest — from Myspace to FB, social networking sites have probably produced sex offenders among their users in the very same percentages as what we hear exists of that type among the general population.
A pedophile often known to the victim, or, he knows the victims’ parents or another family member.
TH has/had a FB page and so does KH. DY? TY? James? Desiree’s other son? Dede? Well, now. Let’s just hand LE a couple thousand suspects to check out. Oh, gee whiz, all those friends know that each of the above people with FB accounts are either related to or have access to a 7 year old boy who’s photo is openly displayed on FB.
Each of them send a couple of emails on FB, and each of them receive a reply or two. There’s your “thousands of emails” that the last big article stated that LE had to review, right off the bat.
Thus if the MSCO and the FBI and anyone else involved did all that fabulous and thorough investigative work that happens on CSI or Law and Order, they looked into EVERY SINGLE FACEBOOK FRIEND on the accounts of family members. For the person(s) who do not care for online life all that much, this is really not very different than (for example) investigating a child abduction in the 80′s, when LE would most likely look into the parents’ friend network and thus their friends’ friends, etc. The difference is, it’s actually easier on LE today — what do you know, lookie at all these people with their full names and photos in one place? Who needs mug shots?
If the above has occurred, it’s no wonder this case is dragging on and on. But it would be ridiculous, to me, if LE did not do this with FB. And yes, this includes RS and any of his workers. Just because a guy is illegal and grabs a seasonal landscaping gig does not mean he can’t use a computer. Illegals on the dark side will find ways to indulge their urges just like any citizen will, and the urges of pedophiles, tragically, found a nice big home online.
Deductive reasoning does not make indisputable facts.. Not trying to start something at all but that is a big claim to make about facts when LE has been very tight lipped about all of this..
For instance do we even know if Terri had her phone on her? Did a friend have it? Maybe people have stated there isn’t even towers on SI so how could they know within feet where she was??
I think we have to be careful in what we think is JMO and what are truly facts…
Meant to say “many” people not “maybe” people
49.justice4kyron says:
December 16, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Is their a seal order? I have the entire docket so if there is, it is recent.
B
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No seal order that I am aware of, but no access ??? Reasons for dismissal???
In short, he was deported improperly, so he is not guilty of illegal re-entry, etc.
B
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Well, that just really sucks and pizzes me off. Has he been sent home to Mexico or not? Anyone know? If not perhaps the Blink posse should go hunting?! I have no doubt that he will offend again. Makes me sick.
In short, he was deported improperly, so he is not guilty of illegal re-entry, etc.
B
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OYE VAY. Thanks, Blink