Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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puzzled says:
December 17, 2010 at 6:58 pm
27.Marci says:
December 17, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Puzzled do you have an open door to the middle of this investigation?
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No. My credentialing is in having worked with the clearinghouse for missing and exploited children set up by John Walsh after the disappearance of his son Adam, some 28 years ago.
You did not need to disclose that puzzler, fyi.
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Oh wow! Very interesting, personally this means something to me, although I don’t know what! LOL you’ve always given me so much to think about..thanks
I’m not on my computer so I’ll hold off comments to so many.
But Mz Jackie is showing an area that is over-looked, 06/03.
I would also add EVERYDAY before 06/04.
Kyron’s disappearance did NOT Happen in a vacuum.
Remember TMH did a lot blah blah blah phone calls texts emails FB & whoever she encountered school gym stores neighbors etc etc Also ALL the friends family of ANY TMH communications retold gossip etc etc
FWIW it would be just as easy & actually give perp/ perv more upfront time to watch/ become familiar w/ KH leaving & type of car driving. The SF is NOT only advertising the day or two BEFORE. AT is mentioned in Parent/ Student Handbook, is a yearly event & students/teachers/school had all been working/ gearing to conclusion on 06/04. So this gave perp/ perv time. Like a drip drip drip.
RE installed camera — they were not installed until late summer, close to the start of new school year.
Also I do not see how any TMH communication w/ anyone would be over looked. I would believe IF there was electronic trail between TMH & perp/ perv/ SZ @ one time, such trail would of been elimnated way in advance.
IF ANY connection on day 06/04– would only have been if a “problem”–we know Ky was taken, so I see it as “it” was a “go”.
Yes, this doesn’t get us far BUT may help the “bubble” to expand.
JMHO … Questioning … Wandering … toinfinity & beyond FOR Kyron.
To back away from the complexity of the various theories and my automatic guilty verdict of TH, I started thinking on a less complex level. From the information we know, TH pursued other men (affair, sexting, etc) to fulfill whatever need she was trying to fulfill. Whether it was for sex, self – affirmation or indulgence, her personality type pursued men to fill some void. Did TH befriend the pedo, thru her day-to-day perusing of men, during everyday activities?
Could this relationship have developed through some frequent activity? TH flirting with someone that she periodically encountered, but who was not necessarily close to the H family. During these encounters, the pedo really had interest in Ky since Ky was most likely with TH on these periodic encounters. TH may have had no idea of his ‘vampire’ status; he was just another man that she used her female abilities to attempt to get his attention. How many people could fall into this category of men she flirted and carried on with? The trash man, a crossing-guard, a florist, a trainer at the gym? While she enjoyed these encounters, the pedo used his cunning skills (more cunning than TH’s) to extract information from TH. Was she even aware of the portrait she was painting; giving the pedo the details of Ky’s schedule, activities, etc.; feeding the vampire all the info for him to calculate his hit. This could include an ‘innocent conversation about the SF’. While he was not interested in TH, he never let her know that, playing along with the flirting game, gathering up a profile on Ky.
Could that be why there is no digital footprint to connect TH to the pedo who took Ky? These encounters occurred enough for TH to know the pedo well enough to engage in conversation, but not close enough to warrant emails or phone calls.
How many people do we encounter in a month, going to the cleaners, grocery store, card store, etc? You become familiar with clerks or other employees in places where you frequent, and therefore, conversations may ensue. While TH’s perspective may have been a flirt session, his take was he was building the timeline of Ky’s day and activities because Ky was who the pedo was pursuing, not TH. But sadly, TH was too self-centered to see that.
Prayers for Kyron always.
Blink,
Is it possible to have you explain in brief how LE of any type
would go about discovering a persons name that they don’t know.
Meaning, I know they have a profile, sounds like they know what he looks like, but don’t know a name.
I’m not asking for you to give specific details, but perhaps a generalized summary for learning purposes of mine and possibly others.
Especially if this person has not been arrested that anyone is aware of, this intrigues me and I feel exhausted for LE with regard to the frustration they must go through. I have a new respect for them since following this case and sharing and learning on your site.
Their is no brief way to answer that question, steps to do that are specific to evidence in the case and are different for each.
B
Snipped from the Oregon Live article titled:
>>Terri Moulton Horman: Kyron Horman’s stepmother is a profile in contradictions<<
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Adopted daughter
On Facebook, Terri Horman said she had wanted to be a teacher since she was 7 years old. She was born in Grass Valley, Calif., in mid-March 1970 and adopted by two elementary teachers, 29-year-old Carol Moulton and her 32-year-old husband, Larry.
It's not clear who her birth mother is — the agency and the state of California will not release that — but Horman once told her second husband, Richard Ecker, that her parents said she came from a prominent family.
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I am wondering, if it's true that her birth mother came from a prominent family-could that family be the ones who gave her money for her defense(hiring Houze, etc.)? Not that it means anything in the long run-just curious, since we have spent lots of time wondering how she got that money.
I would assume that with TH's distinct looks, she would have possibly been recognized by her birth mother and/or other family members when her face hit the news. Or possibly they had been following her life all along (easy to do for wealthy people).
Maybe they felt bad that she had been given up for adoption and decided to help her financially (most likely anonymously). Or maybe they didn't want her traced back to them if she turned out to be guilty and charged with a crime. It would be insurance to them to keep her out of prison and away from possibly being connected to their prominent name.
All JMO of course.
Anyone else think that is a possibility?
S says:
December 17, 2010 at 3:53 pm
This part appears in bold type:
“Should someone alert Skyline Elementary parents that there is a serial pedophile out there since LE is so busy trying to pin the crime on TH, they don’t seem to think this is important enough to share?”
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Blink – this part of the post was followed in bold by:
I personally believe MCSO is doing what is necessary in this investigation at this point and I mean that sincerely. I believe they went with where the leads took them, and a little child was missing and at the end of the day, if they had a mili-chance of hope their actions could save this babe, they will never hear a criticism from me.
The way I see this, in terms of priority, is identifying this individual and securing an arrest (s) ,recovering Kyron, and progressing a successful prosecution in this case.
One thing I want to address about serial pedophiles- and it skeeves me out so much this subject matter, that I am way guilty of what I fault others for, and that is a loss of objectivity.
I feel strongly they are the scariest, most understudied, shunned societal problem there is.
In the interest of full disclosure, I am in the middle of an FBI course regarding same, that takes every bit of nerve I have to stomach so that I am better skilled at work as it relates to their analysis and profile.
Saying more at this point, would be all emotion for me. My constitution would exclude these individuals.
Every child, in every situation, is vulnerable, and we need to be vigilant with a capital V.
B
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@ Blink – I assumed the question at the beginning was yours because it was bold, but it didn’t sound quite like you so I also wondered if it could have been part of the post from S that just somehow ended up in bold.
Are you truly asking if someone should alert Skyline parents?
Your correct, this is not my question. I have already stated what I recommend in terms of a support group for parents in a town hall setting. I think it is an investigative mistake not to try to get these people in the same room to talk about their experiences and visual memories from that day.
Sending out a flyer, following interviews, and having them leave a message, is a missed opportunity. You have almost 200 potential material witnesses in the disappearance of this child.
I understand WHY they have not approached this possibility, but I believe it is a mistake, and much could come from it.
You also said in another post: “I do not know what your logistics are, but I am in touch with several families right in the middle of this, and not one of them, who has kids at the school, thinks TH, if she is involved, perpetrated this on her own. “
Are these families aware of your belief about a serial pedophile and are they sharing that with other families, or is it inappropriate for them to talk about the case, particularly with parents they don’t know?
If I have been asked my opinion, from day one, that has been my answer, yes. I feel people get frustrated because they feel that I should be publicly indicting Terri Horman. I am of the opinion, that she is in a fixed location, aware of her defacto suspect status, and she is not going to utter a syllable.
Er go, do we stay all day perched in front of the stone, waiting for it to bleed, or do we focus our attention where it could net results? That woman, in my mind, will get exactly what is coming to her, and that is going to happen, period.
I have been hearing her arrest is imminent for months. In the meantime, I am also aware of the GJ being suspended at least 3 times. Let me be clear, if they had enough to indict this woman, and her arrest was imminent, she would have been arrested by now, there is no new information to be had to secure an indictment.
Let me say something else. I have heard through various colleagues, that some think one of my sources is someone that is a TH sympathizer or a Camp Terri person.
That in particular is laughable, know why? Anyone close to TH was cut off from her the second she signed that retainer for starters, but ancillary, I would not believe or count on a single word they, vis e vie TH, she had to say.
It should be noted that MCSO is NOT running this investigation, the DA is. Does anyone wish to guess how often THAT happens?
Is warning people, as the question suggests, something you feel is not appropriately related to what you do (should be the job of someone else)?
I think that my opinions are readily acceptable and most are aware of them, but I believe that the job to alert parents, is actually their own responsibility. If I was not feeling I understood the exact position of LE on the matter, I would pick up the phone and ask for answers.
Do we know for sure that LE has NOT informed parents and staff in some quiet way? It’s hard for me to believe that there is no extra security plan in place, but I have worked places, including schools, that shoulda, coulda, and didn’t.
Please clarify. Thanks.
If you really needed an answer, I have a few suggestions I could send in private, but I would not send or suggest anything without your permission and request.
But if I focus on efforts that do not seem to focus on her at all- what do we see?
B
It’s hard to get away from TH isn’t it?
I’ll try to de-emphasize it with: Dirty Double-Crossing on the personal level
RS and gang were pissed thinking she cheated them out of big $ with the kill-off of her hubby when she backed out due to fear
They did this to get back at her and because they could make money that way (paid by ped) and they had a link to a young boy and Skyline. With an “expert” they were asured of some money and if the “expert ped” was also an expert IT, perhaps he didn’t need $, just his fantasy was the driver for him. Also with expert, less chance of being caught.
Then there is a greater picture, involving expert SZ-IT-ped
Mr SZ Super-ped is a huge IT expert encrypting (actually i hardly understand this last word!) multiple layers of these sites and somehow getting money for it, so he will pay, beaucoup for his fantasy. RS & associates get money and get to cross someone who crossed RS by showing up at his house. Macho men (of any nationality) do not take well to women showing them up.
AND/OR I can see her doing some grooming of Kyron (sad, but all the talk about his seizures, hating him, etc.) and handing him over to the whole gang to really sock it to Kaine, but THEY planned the specifics, she didn’t know how to, though was in an advisory position. Maybe she was even pressured to go along with scheme. And she could get something out of it too, $. And she was so very done with both big and little KHs. This would really get back at Big KH, more so then killing him, hurt him about as badly as possible by taking his prize.
post from Dec. 17th
answered by Blink:
“That is going to be the last post where . . .”
“Offensive.”
B
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Thank you for your thoughtful and caring moderation, Blink. Defending children can take many forms, including being aware of and accountable for the words we use.
Justice4kyron,
Here’s the info you asked about. Now please tell me what RS’s alias is and where is the link to this FB page of the brothers? TIA
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37.beejay says:
December 15, 2010 at 12:10 pm
snip>
@enumclawrose: Elsy showed up in a white pages search as a Household member at Ubaldo and Marie’s residence on 162nd. That’s how she was placed at that addy. Addy and apartment neighbors posted here by me here earlier.
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36.justice4kyron says:
December 17, 2010 at 6:07 pm
14.enumclawrose says:
December 17, 2010 at 5:06 pm
@beejay
Thanks for clearing up the Ubaldo, Maria, Elsy connection
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E-Rose, I missed this and read back, not finding a comment from BJ regarding them. Can you clue me in? I also found interesting pics on FB. Looks like AS-S is RS’s brother if the pics are correct.
Prayers for Kyron.
(Snip)
But if I focus on efforts that do not seem to focus on her at all- what do we see?
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Kyron went missing at the school vs. Somewhere else like the mall or the gym
Is it because that is the only place he/she/they had access to him?
Is it because that is the only place he/she/they had the ability and the capability of getting him from point A to point B?
Is it because that is the only place he/she/they could work together, accomplice A inside and accomplice B
Outside?
42.NelMel says:
December 17, 2010 at 7:11 pm
BRILLIANT POST! I could say so much, and usually do.
When my son was in 2nd grade (he is an adult now) the school had a mandatory swimming class at the community pool. Parents were invited to show to watch and support. I went and to my horror, my kid was in the men’s locker room changing clothes with a class of senior men that were just leaving the pool. Did I think he would be molested at the pool? Probably not, but who knew if any of these men were cruising young boys. Everyone thought I was crazy, over protective. A few months later, the pool boy raped a girl. Not exactly the scenario I feared, but it exposed some of the lacks policies at the pool.
When he was really young, I made my son go to the ladies room. When he was old enough to object (ie. had body, privacy thoughts, male, female awareness), I felt he was old enough to understand molestation. Everyone thought I was crazy scaring him. I thought what would really scare him is if someone tried to do something to him that would have never occurred to him. I think my husband thought I was pushing it. I thought it was important to address healthy sex and deviant sex BEFORE it was ever an issue, and thankfully it never was.
I never had A conversation about sex with my son, I had an ongoing dialogue about sex when it came up, never planned or forced. To this day he says he can’t believe the things he can to talk to his mom (and dad) about. I taught him about animals mating when he was really young, applied that to humans, and incorporated the emotions of the human experience. I did the same thing with drugs and alcohol. The younger you start any dialogue with kids, the better chance you have at making your point.
Kids are really smart, perceptive and inquisitive and you start “teaching them to drive when they are five,” because that is when they want to know, (seat belt on, we have to stop at the stop light, red, yellow, green, etc.), so that when they are sixteen, they are ready to take the wheel.
26.evie says:
December 17, 2010 at 2:26 pm
@evie, thanks for the info on ASS. I look forward to your new info!
“I would bet money suspect zero was back at that school after the incident to avoid suspicion.B” – agree with you 110%!!!
“But if I focus on efforts that do not seem to focus on her (TH) at all- what do we see?
B”
Three sources are relevant to re-visit:
The school, the Historic Church, and the Skyline Ridge Association — all were wide open for intrusion, esp. note summer gathering sign that stated, “Strangers Welcome.”
This bothers me and I even went as far as thinking today that the word “strangers” is a code word for pedophiles.
Perps use code words to attract each other and then go after victims. Why would an organization use the word, “Stranger”; implies to me, “Stranger Danger”.
Could Skyline Ridge Community (including TH) have invited perps into inner-circle of the community? Some online sites had the same problem with the sex trade by users using code words to get in touch with each other. TH had help, who lives(d) in the community, maybe passed off to another accomplice perp?
@ Blink’s response:
December 17, 2010 at 1:04 am
“…get the parents talking about whether they had a creep factor about “who” that day, and any other day…”
There was ample opportunity for a perp to find a way into S-KY School to get the lay of land; see many volunteer public invitations and opportunities listed in S-KY Ridge Newsletter:
1. Join Skyline Group
We’ll meet at Brooks Hill Church across from school at 9 and then spread out over Skyline Neighborhood to pick up litter until 12. If you’d like to volunteer to pick up gathered trash and have a TRUCK please let me know at (snip.) You can also sign up to volunteer at the SOLV website under Skyline Neighborhood Clean Up. Hope to see you there.
2. Logi Trail Group
Logie Trail crew will meet at 18529 NW Logie Trail at 9AM which is BJ’s Richards house. Over a hundred tires have been found down a hill and the Logie Crew is looking for some strong youth that would be willing to climb down the hill and hook up tires to winch lines. They need to be 18 years of age or their parents need to be on site. If you’re interested please call (snip)
3. Used Book Sale at Skyline School
http://www.srnpdx.org/event/used-book-sale-skyline-school
Make a donation of used books (for all ages), or just plan to stop by and shop.
Event dates:
Repeats every day until Thu Apr 22 2010 .
Mon, 04/19/2010 (All day)
Tue, 04/20/2010 (All day)
Wed, 04/21/2010 (All day)
Thu, 04/22/2010 (All day)
April 19-22, 2010 – 8:30 a.m. – 3:30 p.m.: Skyline School Used Book Sale. This school fundraiser is a great place to recycle old books ….Drop books off at school during regular school hours from now to April 16. Open Tuesday until 5 p.m. Thursday…
4. What about all the April City involvement in Neighborhood? That Mayor tweet still seems bizarre.
Starting in early April, City of Portland plans to target garlic mustard on roadside rights-of way using glyphosate (Round-up). If you are a landowner with garlic mustard on your property, a number of local agencies may be able to assist you…:
http://www.srnpdx.org/sites/default/files/RR0410_color.pd
5. Note S-KY tasks on 5/2/10.
http://www.srnpdx.org/newsline-april-23-2010
Sunset Presbyterian Church (SPC) will be sending volunteers to Skyline on 5/2/10 to work on a variety of LANDSCAPING projects, filling holes and adding gravel near the track, painting classrooms, completely cleaning out and re-organizing the bus barn, among other projects. SPC has asked M and B Schweinfurth to help organize event and to enlist help of other Skyline parents and members of Skyline community….email (snip) or call (snip) to let us know whether you would be available to help us with these projects on 5/2/10. Skyline middle school students can earn volunteer hours by helping out.
And then connect some dots:
Look at SPC Volunteer link photo:
http://www.sunsetpres.org/content.cfm?id=2089
8 boys, 2 with glasses, about Ky’s age with one man, coincidence?
The S-KY community has seen this perp.
Town Hall format, private to parents, with security support is overdue. Families are afraid to speak up; they need help connecting dots with each other, however wild and wooly. Everyone bring discs, videos, photos with fresh eyes, who knows whom, what’s lurking in the background. Something may trigger a “oh, yeah, now I remember seeing something that day…”
Past S-KYline events show white trucks, for example:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/skylineridge/4954646764/
One poster mentioned a small child could be carried in a big guitar case:
See photo on Skyline Ridge Neighbors Newsletter:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/skylineridge/4158367643/in/dateposted/
Or look at JK’s Aloha United Methodist church FB page with boy (Colston) leaning on Pastor Brett. Doesn’t look right.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=543363867740&set=o.134514135052
Perp maybe threatened TH that Kiara would go same fate if she talks; at least Kiara is alive and well with Kaine, even if she can’t see her.
I bet suspect zero was at S-KY school both months before and only shortly after the incident.
This is an excellent compilation of events, that imo, locals should be accessing their memory banks for any odd incidents or familiar faces that also were at the Science Fair June 6th.
I whole-heartedly agree with your last statement, but wish to ask, what are you basing it on?
B
NelMel, your post and list of proactive actions we can take to combat sexual attacks against our children was music to my eyes.
Thank you so much. Ironically I considered a similar post but did not have the time and your list is much more comprehensive that what I had considered.
This case has literally made me consider going back to school to study behavioral science in an effort toward prevention. I believe we can stymie what we collectively have allowed to get out of control.
This is a root disease. While there are genetic predispositions, it is my opinion that triggers are generally rooted in childhood, then later in life by exposure. Another reason to swiftly attack on line child pornography and combat child sex abuse full force.
Add to that public awareness and communication as a factor of huge importance.
Your post was simply awesome.
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I am just not comfortable with the “isolated incident” designation. B
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That is the elephant in the room. What I want to say is not about blame, but about truth, so here goes. IF TH had little or nothing to do with this event, then the parents of Skyline have been falsely (though not intentionally) reassured and the school has failed (though not intentionally) in their responsibility to keep a child safe. It has been awhile since “isolated incident” has been used and I think a retraction has been implied for those that can read between the lines.
The challenge seems to be to keep TH as a “possible” which is the truth, because she cannot be eliminated as much as she cannot be implicated, ergo not a designated POI. TH created this dilemma, and for that her responsibility for this IMO is set in stone, but now LE is tied to this, not in terms of misleading, but in terms of not being able to clear her, if that is or was ever possible. By keeping her in the mix, this is an isolated incident. By keeping her in the mix, we may not learn the truth.
The thing I think LE may have learned, the things they will study and do differently, is to ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS treat a missing child as the worst case scenario. I would have thought that unknown SO is investigated simultaneously with working from inner family circle and out from there. It probably was, but when the red flags in the family came up, perhaps the other side of the investigation was abandoned.
IDK, I hope this is not the truth, but I have always believed that TH has at the very least impeded this investigation, for what ever reason. That reason cannot be more important than her son. Everyone else involved may have made mistakes, but they were proactive on finding this little boy. WHY were her hands tied and her mouth taped shut? IMO, this is why people have a hard time letting go of the TH factor. She may not be guilty, but no way is she innocent.
I think it is done simultaneously, but I would be particularly interested in what made MCSO treat this case as a possible ransom case, or that it was not a suspect zero case, in which, the fact that he would possibly deceased in very short order, statistically speaking.
Was that because the focus was on TH, or was there something else?
B
caracara says:
December 17, 2010 at 5:47 pm
Just revisiting some of TH’s premeditation, misdirection, and cover-ups after Ky’s disappearance:
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Your list mirrors many reasons why I believe TH to be the planner of Kyron’s disappearance.
In addition, it seems inconceivable that TH could or would (within just hours of Kyron’s disappearance) provide so many specific details on her whereabouts during the very time Kyron was abducted, but could or would not account for her whereabouts later that same day.
Details of miles between the store and the school, receipts etc.? Fred Meyer out of medicine? It’s not impossible, but after decades of shopping at Fred Meyer, that has never been my experience – just saying.
If getting a specific medicine for your child is the goal, why go to the same store that was out of it, further away, rather than a closer, different store? And if TH went to all that trouble to get medicine for her sick child, why didn’t she immediately head home to give Kiara the medicine and let her lay down? Makes no sense.
TH, in her sexts, admitted she had no qualms about using Kiara in a lie if she got caught going to MC’s house. It is well within reason then, in my opinion, that Kiara’s sickness was also a lie on June 4 as part of TH’s attempt to construct an alibi during the time frame she knew Kyron would be abducted.
I don’t dispute that someone else could have removed Kyron from his school, but TH’s airtight-alibi building for that specific time frame tells me this was no random abduction.
In my opinion TH’s entire story of June 4 is a load of lies, along with her numerous actions before, during and after Kyron’s disappearance. That does not even include Desiree’s claim that LE showed her proof that TH hated Kyron and Kaine’s statement that her story for that day kept changing.
Sure, coincidences occur, but the odds of this many involving TH relative to Kyron’s disappearance are astronomical, in my opinion.
Regarding TH not being arrested yet as supposed proof of her innocence, my belief is that one only has to look at who her attorney is to understand why LE/DA must put together one heck of a case before persuing charges against her.
I think that SZ is a pedophile and that Kyron was chosen because….
1. SZ is a pedophile that likes to show LE and the world that he can abduct a child right under everyone noses and not leave any trail and nor get caught.
or/and
2. SZ saw KY at an event where parents would take their children, Christmas party, or Easter egg hunt perhaps even a favorite restaurant. He would probably be someone who interacted with KY in some way and knew the parents in some casual way. Did KY spend any time in the babysitting area at the gym TH and KH went to?. James was a boyscout so could SZ have met KY at some boy scout function the Horman’s attended? SZ was looking for a chance to grab KY, Then the SF came along.
or
3. SZ is a random pedophile that probably took advantage of the SF. Since the sign was up there before the SF then he could have been watching the school to get an Idea of when school started and ended. Or he could have entered the school when the projects were brought over on June 3 to familiarize himself with the buildings layout. He went into the school to grab a child saw KY wandering around by himself and took him.
Whether or not TH was responsible in some way or how he got KY out of the building I don’t know, but that is my take on SZ.
if I could remove all but the last thought…I can wait for the book…:)…in hindsight not so important to this investigation as I thought at the time…
Your wish is my command
Happy Holidays
B
42.NelMel says:
December 17, 2010 at 7:11 pm
Just want to say, NelMel…an incredible post. I’ve always believed the same, not only about pedophiles, but in particular, about mothers who kill their children and serial killers. We, as a nation, have abandoned the concept of prison as a rehabilitation source (justfiably so, as it is not) and regard it as simply punitive. And yes, criminals need punishment. However, in the long run, much can be learned from them, to help identify and someday, fix the terrible wrong that is incorporated in their wiring, before they are driven to terrible crimes. It isn’t enough to simply label them and kill them. We need to find out what turns human beings into monsters. While it’s too late for those who are already tried and convicted, maybe we can learn enough to prevent someone else from commiting the unthinkable.
@ Jackie Bauer- yes I think that LE are refraining from giving out too much info to allow TH to maybe relax and give her a chance to talk,talk,talk which seems her. They may have all they were able to suck out of her and there is no more YET! There are a couple of people (men) that have surfaced in support of TH what does anyone know about that high school friend of hers on the track team that cried in his video that TH is such a goood person and everyone is persecuting her. He was so phony I wanted to throw up.
Sometimes ones who are involved like to get right out there and go on TV etc… and show how empathetic they are when in fact they are bad people…. jus sayin
By the way everything I say is rhetorical- thinking out loud just wracking my brain for possibilities with what little info there actually is available.
Kyron has to be home for Christmas!
(I pray so hard every day for that dear sweet little boy that deserved NONE of this…
TY
B
I was reluctant to post this information before, based on my understanding that this was not random. With new information, including the sz new profile i feel i should share. I live approximatly 1 hour away from Skyline Elementary. Her school is surrounded by woods much like Skyline. About 2 weeks ago my 2nd grader came home with a note in her backpack. It was from the principal and stated that all children had been kept in from recess because someone observed a man in the trees watching children play. All children were brought in and police notified. A search came up empty. I have not heard if the man was found or if he has returned. It just seems spooky and somewhat similar. If i hear more i will post it. Blink, if you or your researchers like, i could privatly post the name of the school and the principal.
Please do. Just mark the first line as private.
Kudos to the school for their actions after being alerted.
B
Is it possible Kyron’s brother targeted first–the one in Scouts who spent long days at Powells, and when he left abruptly, SZ moved to a backup choice?
Very doubtful. In general, pedo targets are fairly static. The brothers ages and development status are very different.
B
@Riverpearl: re: “do not see how any TMH communication w/ anyone would be over looked. I would believe IF there was electronic trail between TMH & perp/ perv/ SZ @ one time, such trail would of been elimnated way in advance.”
I think you’re right that any obvious or even concealed but traceable communications would have been eliminated, but I think there are other ways. For example, bat phones that the SZ paid for and LE never knew existed could’ve been used ahead of time–if LE doesn’t know who SZ is, and they didn’t know TH had that phone, then possibly. SZ has skills. Also, if SZ has IT skills, he knows how to get around leaving an electronic trail. I know that if I go to the library, set up a new email account, answer all of the questions in a way that can’t be traced back to me, and send to an email similarly established, it would be very hard to ID that account to me, and hard to track the emails sent/received. And I’m not that smart. So SZ probably knows much better ways. I don’t know the ways, but I do think it could be done. Even for a person like TH, who I don’t think is the sharpest tack in the box. Jmoooo. If someone knows more, I’d love to hear.
Sick to my stomach again today. I feel sicker every day as I read about the evil lurking around us. Children today don’t stand a chance. Poor Kyron. I will always pray for him and love him. Love to Kyron. xxooxx.
Does MCSO have a working SZ profile? If so, how many months ago was it developed? If so, do you think it has been shared with both parents? Or, the “description”? Might jog their memories too
@iodizedsalt: “Sometimes ones who are involved like to get right out there and go on TV etc… ”
I do not disagree. I’ve had the same thoughts about some of the “talking heads” re: this case. Fast track from professional obscurity of sorts to a front row ticket on the media train. After all, it’s worked for others before (NG comes to mind… jmoooo) But that’s just me and I’m jaded and cynical
And Blink said it herself: “… I have heard through various colleagues, that some think one of my sources is someone that is a TH sympathizer or a Camp Terri person.” Blink says that isn’t true, so we know it isn’t true–Blink wouldn’t let anyone slip by her like that–but it’s telling that colleagues are too aware of the way these parasites thrive and careful of it as a result. There’s all kinds out there. Again, jmoooo.
O you said it all. Yes, there is. I have learned people will say anything they need to to attempt to convince others of their opinion. Freakin weird.
B
Thinking “the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree”—IF TMH was adopted from a prominent family….and IF there were mental issues with a birth mother who could not keep her for instability reasons–perhaps “getting rid of another problem”—it could be she was tracked by bio family –as someone said further up the posts—and Houze was allowed access to her info and their $$ for her defense. History repeats itself–genetically sometimes. She was “getting rid of a problem”–Ky–as long as it was out of her bushy red hair. So….hmmm…to which prominent family does she bear resemblance???!!! Maybe those face recognition cameras could drum up a few relatives for her! IMOOOOOOOO
There is no evidence she was adopted from a prominent family.
B
@Riverpearl re: “But Mz Jackie is showing an area that is over-looked, 06/03.
I would also add EVERYDAY before 06/04.”
True, true, true. But the truck must’ve been needed for something specific, so that’s why that one is bugging me.
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Also, I’d like to know if there was anyone at the SF who was in a wheelchair or on crutches or otherwise physically frail, or seemingly so… I can’t quite get past that dream. Too many old movies.
@ Jan – your list is great. Thanks.
Early on, I went through all the Skyline area newsletters, websites (general, not personal), gatherings, etc., that I could find and looked for any of the Horman’s in pictures and as volunteers, officers, committee members, or whatever. My search wasn’t perfect, but I didn’t find them anywhere so it seems safe to say they weren’t active neighbors in an organized way. Maybe they were busy at those times and didn’t attend events, but it could be that their socializing went in other directions and they didn’t join in.
Jennit Powel did indicate in one interview that Terri had been a volunteer on the Skyline garden project – she didn’t say if it was regularly, occasionally, or once. She did talk about helping Kyron with his projects. Jennit is the garden coordinator and considered herself a friend of Terri – the only one who spoke on camera. She and her husband were at the SF – he uses a different last name.
I’m sure many people knew who the Horman’s were, but I’m not so sure many people really knew them – even the ones who called themselves friends. Have you noticed any (individual or family) who said they were a “friend of the family” or who was mentioned as a close friend by both Kaine and Terri? (Of course, I could have missed someone.)
We can all come up with “why’s”, I’m just pointing out what seems to be, imo.
@ Blink – you and Bilnksters have so many important things to say, can you communicate these with the DA or whomever? It freaks me out that the ped is still “out there” and I think it is not just Skyline that is in danger, all schools need to be very wary, the lid is off Pandora’s denial box. Also I would think (but don’t have that mindset to really think that way) he would go somewhere else. Perhaps the small rural schools are most vulnerable.
@others – it is interesting to hear others’ ideas about what should be done with peds and here is the bottom line for what I know getting close to 20 yrs. working in a variety of social settings in two different states and different counties
And you really do know this – THERE IS LITTLE MONEY, it is being chopped and chopped and chopped away by powers that be and the economy. The amount of work some of us do is increasingly staggering and becomes what I call “tidal wave management,” though I know there is some mismanagement in some places. We use our extra time fighting for funds and trying to prove why x y and z is important. After all these years of being so close to these families and trying like anything to “fix” them (along with hordes of other dedicated people) – my greatest conclusion is that many people should not have children and stronger education along these lines is where it needs to start coupled with better educational opportunities. Lots of birth control. (interestingly enough it also intersects with some environmentalists’ views) Many people are willing to call it now, even some public health anti-tobacco advocates – child abuse is the mostly costly problem in our society because most of these other problems come out of that (and that would include some of the tobacco smokers too!) , Believe me it has changed greatly over the years, in some good ways and some bad, worse being funding cuts. Most of the real problem people are highly complex, with multiple issues all intersecting each other. Once something starts, repetition increases the pathways that reward it and it gets more and more stuck there.
Jumping in the trenches is the best way to understand it and do something about it. Securing grants is a fight, sometimes with two different entities having lawsuits about who got what grant, that is a waste and should be put into mediation.
@ enumclawrose Dec 17 11:57 pm
Loved your post! My children have been brought up differently than most, way different than most I suppose. My sister and I tried doing everything just the opposite of our parents, lol. Daughter came home from school the other day with a question about a sex act, was it true that it could kill a boy? Actually, it was a very good question about air getting into the body. My husband went into great detail about how it would not kill a boy, but very possibly a girl. Daughter goes back to school (high school) tells the boys they got the story all wrong. Children need to be comfortable talking about sex. Starting with family pets when they are young is a easy way to start. Then I have what I call my “ice skating” story. Police are called to an elderly man’s home for a well check. The man had no relatives in the state. Omg, I will never forget it. Locals will be familiar with Lloyd Center Ice Rink. This man had hundreds of shoe boxes filled with photo’s of little girls ice skating. They were also taped all over the house, he had been doing it for years. You could see hair and clothing styles evolve. He favored little girls falling down photo’s, weird scary, scary, scary. So what began as a simple “well check” turned into a much bigger case. Do you really know who lives next door? This man’s neighbors were shocked. We also taught our kids how to operate a car very young, lol. They knew the brake, pulling out the keys, etc. Thank you for the post Rose, you seem like a great Mom.
@puzzled et al
I’m trying to find info regarding TH’s whereabouts on JUNE 3rd. That is the day TH took Ky’s SF project to Skyline school and set it up. Anyone have a link or any info to share? I know on one of the flyers released by LE they asked for witnesses who may have seen her truck on June 3rd. We seem to have a timeline for June 4 and I think it would be extremely helpful to see a June 3rd timeline. TIA.
I think it is done simultaneously, but I would be particularly interested in what made MCSO treat this case as a possible ransom case, or that it was not a suspect zero case, in which, the fact that he would possibly deceased in very short order, statistically speaking.
Was that because the focus was on TH, or was there something else?
B
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I think it was because of the MFH, which TH could possibly still be charged with. JMO
@ Jan
Or look at JK’s Aloha United Methodist church FB page with boy (Colston) leaning on Pastor Brett. Doesn’t look right.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=543363867740&set=o.134514135052
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Not only doesn’t look right, IMO it looks VERY wrong.
Blink, I believe this was well written and maybe good to bring forward?
GeorgiaDad says:
December 8, 2010 at 2:39 pm
I don’t think TH is a very nice person, but, I just can’t make sense of the idea that she is the mastermind.
If her goal was to have a third party “disappear” Kyron, there are much easier ways to do this.
If her goal was to “sell” Kyron, then what and how and why was she paid. And even more difficult, why would someone “buying” Kyron want to go through this complicated process of taking him from school where so many things could have gone wrong with the plan, why not just take Kyron from home where there would be few witnesses? I find it hard to believe that she “sold” Kyron to “pay” for a hit on her husband.
It is hard to believe that a landscaper and DDS would get involved with such a complicated plot without some type of real return for their efforts – TH isn’t Megan Fox, and I don’t see people falling over themselves trying to win her affection.
If DDS was involved, did she not come up with some type of plausible alibi for her disappearance? I suspect she has given LE some type of explanation which LE has investigated.
At present, I lean toward the crime being committed by an acquaintance or associate of TH, but no direct TH involvement.
A will not jump on the Demon Terri vs Saint Kaine bandwagon until I see:
1) A plausible motive backed up by reliable information from an independent source (not second-hand information from anxious and possibly bereaved parents).
2) Some type of physical evidence.
3) Being hinky ain’t evidence. In fact the reason we speak of “POI’s” instead of “suspects” is due to Richard Jewell, who appeared to act strangely and convicted by the press but turned out to be innocent (and a hero at that).
I believe that KH and DY both fervently believe that TH is involved, and this affects the way they interpret information they receive from LE.
Georgia Dad I think you asked the right questions and made good points, and I was being a “meanie” that day. Good thoughts that maybe all could re-read?
“Was that because the focus was on TH, or was there something else?
B”
I’ve been thinking about this lately. It’s the “note” factor. B has told us that TH found a note in her car, presumably something along the lines of “I have Kyron.”
If this is a typical SZ, why in the world would he have left a note? You’d think it would be at cross purposes.
I’ve been thinking a lot about what might have been in that note. Some ideas:
“I’ve got Kyron, and if you tell anyone, I am going to out you on
the MFH plot against Kaine.”
“I’ve got Kyron, and if you don’t produce $$$, he’s gone.”
The fact that TH did not go immediately to LE upon receiving said note tells me that she probably understood why she was receiving this note, and from whom it came. It might be her link to SZ.
But, why would he leave her the note in the first place, especially if he never intended to receive a ransom?
20.jan says:
December 18, 2010 at 1:53 am
@jan- Wow, wow, wow. Incredible researh, thank you ever so much.
Isn’t it sad that we have to worry about letting these vampires into our communities via events that should be normal and healthy and safe for everyone that wishes to participate? These types of volunteering and helping one another out to make our communities better are the very things that build strong bonds and ties within. I have to wonder, when pondering all of the things discussed recently, if schools should NOT be the meetng places for community events? How tragic is that? Yet, that is our most vulnerable place, where our kids are. Maybe churches, grange halls, libraries, etc. would be better choices? All IMHO, thinking out loud, thinking about my community as well, sigh…
I think the idea of a meeting of all those that attended the SF is brilliant. Throw in a therapist or two and perhaps a few LE folks and who knows what might be accomplished and learned? I think I’ll put a bug in the ear of someone I know that just might be able to get this done.
Thanks to everyone for so many thought provoking posts and sharing.
I think it is done simultaneously, but I would be particularly interested in what made MCSO treat this case as a possible ransom case, or that it was not a suspect zero case, in which, the fact that he would possibly deceased in very short order, statistically speaking.
Was that because the focus was on TH, or was there something else?
B
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The glasses, or a note, or phone call? Most, if not all, of that comes back to TH and her unexplained hour and a half time frame where her phone was on or near SI and her BFF was also MIA. All of this after 10 o’clock when Ky was already taken. The something else has to be somewhat tangible, which is improbable in a case where there is no physical evidence.
something to ponder … the plan was to snatch a boy that day … maybe Ky was one of several boys being considered for snatching … the opportunity appeared when perp saw TH leave and Ky as unattended. maybe it wasn’t specific to Ky, just convenient.
This cannot be excluded to my knowledge.
B
remember Terri was a CSI fan- lots of convoluted subplots and deadends. I think that could have played into plans. and the Ego is irrational believing it’s invincible
@Lyla re: “I think it would be extremely helpful to see a June 3rd timeline.”
I have found nada re: this and it’s funny to me that nothing has been offered up in the press. Seems like someone media-like would’ve investigated that. I’m sure LE has, but they aren’t ringing me up on the bat phone to share info.
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Re: this exchange:
“puzzled says:
December 18, 2010 at 5:36 pm
something to ponder … the plan was to snatch a boy that day … maybe Ky was one of several boys being considered for snatching … the opportunity appeared when perp saw TH leave and Ky as unattended. maybe it wasn’t specific to Ky, just convenient.
This cannot be excluded to my knowledge.
B”
I honestly thought when LE said that this was an “isolated incident” it meant that Kyron was the target, and from what LE has shared with KH & DY & TY, I’m pretty sure they don’t think it was random based on information they’ve rec’d from LE. But of course, like I said above, LE isn’t exactly ringing me up on the bat phone to share what they know. That said, TH would have to be the dumbest and unluckiest ever for that to be the case, and I can’t make the mental leaps required to explain away *all* of the incongruities/suspicions re: TH behavior, and if this were the case, why would she be so silent? I love that quote “who you are speaks so loudly I can’t hear what you’re saying”, except in this case, of course, she’s saying nothing. Still speaks volumes, jmooooo.
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Blink, I just so hope you’re right with what you said above: SHE GETS WHAT IS COMING TO HER. She seems truly heinous to me, and if she could hate Kyron, then I can work up a bit of substantial loathing for her.
45.puzzled says:
December 18, 2010 at 5:36 pm
something to ponder … the plan was to snatch a boy that day … maybe Ky was one of several boys being considered for snatching … the opportunity appeared when perp saw TH leave and Ky as unattended. maybe it wasn’t specific to Ky, just convenient.
This cannot be excluded to my knowledge.
B
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Thank you Puzzled, have wondered that alot lately myself!
@40. Idaho. Yes, a Town Hall support/sharing group with the goal of processing “what happened that morning?–to K, to us, to school “–is immensely important to families/staff if run by trained personnel. However,
DA wont like it. Will nix it becausedefense could use to say the forum contaminated memories & affected potential testimony. The rebuttal is if MCSO has conducted interviews of all known attendees, documented AND recorded them before the group meeting, that’s corraboration later testimony is true. I do hope after 6 mos LEis not still relying only on completed forms.
Falstaff says:
December 18, 2010 at 1:50 pm
TY. U2. We also spent lots of time developing his sense of humor, so necessary to have in this world.
@18.Nancy says:
December 18, 2010 at 3:49 am
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Your list mirrors many reasons why I believe TH to be the planner of Kyron’s disappearance.
In addition, it seems inconceivable that TH could or would (within just hours of Kyron’s disappearance) provide so many specific details on her whereabouts during the very time Kyron was abducted, but could or would not account for her whereabouts later that same day.
Details of miles between the store and the school, receipts etc.? Fred Meyer out of medicine? It’s not impossible, but after decades of shopping at Fred Meyer, that has never been my experience – just saying.
If getting a specific medicine for your child is the goal, why go to the same store that was out of it, further away, rather than a closer, different store? And if TH went to all that trouble to get medicine for her sick child, why didn’t she immediately head home to give Kiara the medicine and let her lay down? Makes no sense.
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From the 1st FM (Sunset location) to the 2nd FM Walker Road there are the following stores that are alot closer: Walgreen’s (Orenco),Winco (Orenco), Tanasbourne stores: Safeway, Rite-Aide, Target and Haggen’s; Albertson’s on 185th!
I also shop at FM and they usually have a very wide selection of OTC medications.
Kyron’s facebook, today, Dec. 18. From his Mommy….
Desiree Davidson Young
I pray for a miracle each and every day. I pray my son will hug me again and be home in my arms safe and sound. Please Lord hear my prayer. Thank you to those people that create support like this for Kyron. Let’s bring Kyron home soon.
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I want to say something meaningful, but I just don’t have the words….
@ enumclawrose says:
December 18, 2010 at 2:52 pm
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=543363867740&set=o.134514135052
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Not only doesn’t look right, IMO it looks VERY wrong.
@ E-Rose
Yes, IMO, this very wrong same photo is featured again on jk’s
ReKindle Corporative Youth Ministry FB:
Front row Pastor B and boy:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=434237789918&set=a.434237784918.221537.153459089918
Someone in S-KY Community will bump into a photo that hits on a connection. Samples here to get out-of-the-box wheels turning:
Random boy photos on RCYM FB give me pause:
Boy in Barrell:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=179254274918&set=a.179250979918.150934.153459089918
JK Boy beach games:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=455582229918&set=a.455582109918.238063.153459089918&pid=6310555&id=153459089918
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=455582289918&set=a.455582109918.238063.153459089918&pid=6310557&id=153459089918
Youth tree outing, white truck:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=177315589918&set=a.177311274918.150139.153459089918
The jk FB “activities and interests” Ascend Elevator guy also drives white truck:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=115534335125633&set=a.115531888459211.18136.115482291797504