Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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I have become so frustrated lately at the lack of updates on Kyron. I am across the nation, so maybe i am missing something, but I check oregonlive and a couple other websites regularly, but the last update I can find is where the sherrif says he thinks this won’t be a cold case. I just think there have to be clues to know where this little boy is. He didn’t just disappear. He’s out there somewhere, and it breaks my heart that they can’t find him. Has there been any news updates lately that anyone knows about? This hits so close to home because I have a son that age. My prayers go out to Kyron and his family.
Fox news article, Dec 17:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/17/murdered-missing-unsolved-crime-stories/#content
The Murdered and the Missing: Unsolved Crime Stories
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Kyron’s is the 5th story down.
>>No person has been charged or made a person of interest in Kyron’s disappearance, Lt. Mary Lindstrand of the Multnomah County Sheriff told FoxNews.com.<>But Lindstrand told FoxNews.com that Terri Horman was “never in custody” and investigators are still pursuing all leads in the case. Searchers combed an island about 15 miles outside of Portland in October looking for any signs of Kyron.
“We’re still very hopeful that there will be closure on this case,” Lindstrand said.<<
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Since TH was "never in custody", per Lindstrand, how would that work for possible house arrest, which we have wondered about? Sorry, my lack of legal knowledge is showing! In other words, since she has never been in custody-could she still be under house arrest-or is that one and the same?
Also, if TH starts going out of the house, living what looks like a normal life, and begins to fight for visitation with Kiara, etc.) would we then know she is most likely NOT a de facto suspect anymore?
Spare us Scooby. I am tired of hearing the whining like you care. I am on a find Kyron tour. Tell where he is at!
I missed this or it would not have been posted.
Inappropriate, appreciate it if anyone is feeling like attack mode, go do something else.
B
Blink,
IMO, as always.
I think they sent that list out because they know that SOMEONE IS LYING about their husband or another person that was there and is related to a member of school and are trying to keep their name off list. It smacks that someone may be protecting another.
Could there be more than TH, perp and helper. It likely has led to web of underground creeps; MSCO is up to their eyeballs. There were hundreds of disgusting sexual innuendo posts early on that disappeared, by people who knew how to create fake profiles; I always thought these had to be connected to a huge ring of creeps, too many for one person to post or read.
Did MSCO have a team monitoring blog posts early on? Posts from start of case were maybe overlooked and deleted; FB blogs shut down. Possible leads and clues were censured or evidence disappeared off postings quickly. TH used Craigslist for landscapers. Other blog posts were downright crude, and gross but perhaps hold a shred of truth of what these disgusting men are looking for e.g. value of “missing front teeth in a boy” like KY, was stated in FB post on Missing Ky Support Page by some gremlin. Need I say more?
Ad posts in Skyline Ridge Neighborhood are likely not by pedophiles lurking but “ads” over months from their newsletter got me thinking.
For example, ads for “spring lambs” for sale but with no link for more info; “free Kittens” no contact info. Do pedophiles use community board sites, newsletters, and free public forums in the name of “neighborhood” to catch their victims in plain sight. Could a spring lamb be a code word for a child, free kitten a code word for a girl; or (Dec.) train with plastic containers mean ready for shipment? Just thinking…
The Jk ppp and AUMC church FB sites have red head and young boys — Ky look-alike and a big red head, strange?
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2454811&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=134514135052&id=134514135052
Curious who took care of landscaping at AMUC church, same question at PPP, you never know, plenty of lawnmowers in the background.
Google name Sanchez and the church, Xexica Sanchez comes up from church bulletin 2007. It is from their newsletter, announces birthdays of the congregation, she was listed as being 27 at the time. Church keeps face recognition photos, also list of all births and birthdays, prints this in each newsletter.
I read somewhere that there was a port-a-potty outhouse on back yard of school grounds. Anyone know when it came or went, by whom?
Isolated Incident? S-KY Families, All:
Go to http://sexoffenders.oregon.gov/ you can look up all sex offenders in 97231 zip and request a list, which they will send by mail.
No doubt the community is infested with freaks; it has been going on for awhile– April-May months were critical to a well-planned take. Once TH lawyer-ed up, the stakes got high and freaks likely bolted. This is a “cancer ” on our society, an infection of moral decay.
Little Ky, Godspeed.
I think it is done simultaneously, but I would be particularly interested in what made MCSO treat this case as a possible ransom case, or that it was not a suspect zero case, in which, the fact that he would possibly deceased in very short order, statistically speaking.
Was that because the focus was on TH, or was there something else?
B
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Maybe RS when he heard about KY’s abduction decided he would cash in on it by writing a ransom note even though he did not actually have possession of KY. The confusing thing about that statement is then how did RS have KY’s glasses, or were the glasses really only copies of KY’s glasses like LE said at the start of the investigation.
The ransom note or alert is my opinion, not fact.
I know nothing of RS or anyone else having Kyron’s glasses, but I do personally believe they have been recovered.
B
@ cd RE:
2. SZ saw KY at an event where parents would take their children, Christmas party, or Easter egg hunt perhaps even a favorite restaurant. He would probably be someone who interacted with KY in some way and knew the parents in some casual way. Did KY spend any time in the babysitting area at the gym TH and KH went to?. James was a boyscout so could SZ have met KY at some boy scout function the Horman’s attended? SZ was looking for a chance to grab KY, Then the SF came along.
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Or perhaps SZ met/spent time with KY on a visit to the local pumpkin patch?
We already know he was there, I believe Kaine mentioned that.
B
jan says:
December 18, 2010 at 11:31 pm
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Okay, the first picture with the positioning of the leg is weird (yet could be an accident), the beach games are more than weird (what are they doing?), but the barrel boy is beyond creepy. This is so IN OUR FACE, IMO, no accident.
I have some truth that I am not exactly sure how to say it again, but here goes. In researching an associate of RS, I have come up with someone who is linked to ministers and evangelists. There are links to foreign and domestic men that seem to be involved in global ministries, even promoting it as brother to brother and pathway to maturity. Is this all code for something more sinister, and do we dare question people who claim to walk with God?
While I know that churches often have relationships with other churches, I am finding people connected to several denominations, in various states and countries, also connected to performance artists and film makers, real estate agents and lawyers. Seriously, what do these people have in common? Maybe I have been at this too long, but my creepy meter is going off.
Remember neighbor, Skyline parent that sometimes to posts here? Check out the post on SM. Why are the parent participation events cancelled? ANYONE?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9068.40
Maybe it is time for a reality check .. even as today, Skyline K8 allows people to volunteer without b/g checks. This includes normal school hours for as as long as they are not alone with children. On the other hand all events where all parents are invited to the school are canceled.
As I read on, neighbor qualifies the statement:
I am very close to the school, but I should have used the word “missing” instead of “canceled”. Traditional events during the school year were never scheduled. The only event was a “no, go, yell, tell” class in the evening. Pumking carving traditionally was at school, but this year it was hosted at a farm on SI. Also the Christmas carols were notably absent this year.
4.TJ says:
December 19, 2010 at 12:29 am
Spare us Scooby. I am tired of hearing the whining like you care. I am on a find Kyron tour. Tell where he is at!
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What does the above mean? TIA
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers, sister, friends and classmates.
Was addressed, thanks, let’s move on constructively.
B
Resolved, thanks
B
I was reading at SM yesterday and came across a discussion about traditional activities at Skyline (that parents attended) were cancelled/not scheduled this school year.
There is a poster there that is a PDX local (lives close to Skyline school), that mentioned that the traditional school events at Skyline that involved parents attending have been noticeably dropped from the school schedule this year.
The poster then said – not cancelled, but school activities that traditionally included parents attending were never scheduled for this school year as had been done previous school years.
The one event that included parents that WAS held was a “no, go, yell, tell” class held in the evening.
Other previous yearly events that included parental attendance were absent from the school schedule this year.
Example of events that usually included parents attending were things like: the annual pumkin carving that was traditionally at the school and was hosted at a Sauvie Island farm instead, and the Christmas carols at the school were notably absent this school year.
The local also said that Skyline still allows volunteers at Skyline without back ground checks – as long as their not alone with children. (how is that fully regulated? someone up to no good could get a child alone in a heartbeat as we’ve seen)
Any Skyline locals still here that could comment on this please?
Were traditional parent-involved events at the school just not on the school schedule this year?
Background checks not a requirement to volunteer at the school?
Does the school’s 2010-2011 schedule include a science fair in June 2011?
Any answers would be greatly appreciated.
Every time I start exploring the idea that TH was not involved in Kyron’s disappearance, I come back to the fact that she has not successfully fought for custody of her daughter, or at least some sort of visitation. My daughter is almost the same age as Kitty and children at this age develop so fast in these early years. They become very conversational and their little personalities really start to emerge — I would not miss one day of this magic time! And if my daughter had been taken away because I had been falsely accused, you bet I’d retain the best attorney available to do battle and clear my name so I could get my child back as soon as possible. But this isn’t what TH did: instead she hired a high-powered attorney who obviously advised her to avoid any litigation that will open the door to questioning and/or discovery that might be incriminating even though this strategy prevents her from seeking any adjustment of the restraining order. MOO – but it is inescapable therefore that whatever TH is seeking to avoid disclosure of must be very very serious.
TH, in my opinion has not done anything to help investigators in this case. For that, among the other things we have learned about her activities and behavior, she is second on my list POI in this case in case that is not clear by now. I also believe she faces possible criminal charges in a mfh plot against her husband. How strong that case is, I have my doubts.
That said, they flat out told her she failed a polygraph. That is a rookie error, imo.
The second that exchange ocurred, to be honest, pretty much invalidates future tests unless they are specific as to what they have quantified “deceptive” responses.
Not to mention, we are assuming that is a true statement in the first place, when LE is under no obligation to be truthful in an interview.
I think people are forgetting she consented to have her home searched, cars, computers, etc.
Don’t come back at me with it is Kaine’s house, because in the eyes of the law in a criminal matter, it is absolutely both of their property, as is everything else.
Desiree tells her she is coming to the house, and Terri’s response was “You are”?
Does that sound like the woman who has thought of everything here?
All this occurs, while a deputy is in the home almost 20 hours per day, while conversations are apparently taking place that she was told that she was considered a defacto suspect.
I will be 100% honest. If I were ever in that position (God forbid), I would have hired an attorney following the polly, period. Had TH hired Houze prior to June 26th, I have very serious doubts that “sting” would have occurred in the first place.
Point is, she hired counsel after she absolutely knew LE participated in an attempt to set her up, and advised her husband of same. In her mind, I have no doubt she has been advised that pursuing visitation of Kiara will result in charges being brought against her, and she will have no chance of seeing her anyway, so then what choice did she have?
Having the benefit of speaking to some insiders in this case, I have to believe that if Th has information that would help locate Kyron, her atty would have proffered and leveraged same appropriately.
That said, if she is involved, she has told him she is not, and nothing in their own investigations has proved otherwise, imo.
So my long-winded way of winning the Captain Obvious award:
She is either involved and waiting for the boom to be lowered.
Or
She is guilty of being a cruel step-mom who had it out for a 7 year old, with a broken moral compass, and may have wanted to off Kaine for as yet unknown reasons, and she has no idea what happened to Kyron.
B
Thank you.
B
puzzled says:
December 18, 2010 at 5:36 pm
… the opportunity appeared when perp saw TH leave and Ky as unattended.
This cannot be excluded to my knowledge.
B
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Puzzled:
Thank you for pointing out that Ky was left unattended; this is a key point.
While I agree with Blink that a perp grabbing Kyron at that particular moment cannot be excluded, for me the issue of Kyron having been left unattended by TH in the first place has been one of the huge red flags in this case.
Assume that a random perp snatched Kyron at the very moment TH left him unattended. An innocent parent would be immediately and continuously devastated by guilt for not having escorted their child to the safety of the classroom – particularly with the “spacing out/wandering/seizure” issue having been so keenly on their mind.
According to TH she had been SO concerned about Kyron’s wandering off and mini seizures in the days leading up to his disappearance that she had already spoken to medical personnel (enough to make a diagnosis), made a follow-up doctor’s appointment just the day before (on June 3) and evidently shared it with people at the school.
Yet, by her own admission, TH left Kyron all alone in the hallway at the school during the very time her supposed concern about his wandering/ seizures was at its peak – followed by zero expression of guilt or responsibility for having left him alone and vulnerable: nada, zilch, nothing.
As a parent/grandparent trying to put myself in the shoes of having a child gone missing under my watch, TH’s actions scream guilt. In my opinion, her singular goal in making issue of Kyron’s supposed ailments was to plant the seed that he wandered off from the school on his own that fateful day.
I do not believe for one moment that a random perpetrator (acting alone) took Kyron – although I agree with Blink that it is imperative for LE to determine exactly who removed Kyron from Skyline Elementary on June 4. And I pray that all person(s) involved are successfully brought to justice in due time.
My dear friends, I cannot post some of your posts, which are tantamount to pointing a finger at a named individual who has a child at the school.
I know you understand. There are many parents that read here, hopefully they do not allow their school age children to, but I certainly have no control over that and would not want them to see something like that about a parent or friends parent, etc.
If you want to discuss such specifics, your going to have to develop a hypothetical code.
Affectionately,
B
47.Jackie Bauer
says:
December 18, 2010 at 6:18 pm
TH would have to be the dumbest and unluckiest ever for that to be the case, and I can’t make the mental leaps required to explain away *all* of the incongruities/suspicions re: TH behavior, and if this were the case, why would she be so silent?
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I want to make clear that I do not release TH from culpability in the disappearance of Ky. Where my speculation differs is in TH being the mastermind or the one who took Kyron.
I do believe she had enough bad behavior .. thou not necessarily criminal .. that had her husband been aware, he would divorce her in a day. The behavior showed up .. coincidently, and only because her stepson disappeared … and in those first days and weeks she was the only one being considered as the obvious culprit. I know I considered her the obvious culprit.
MCSO .. who was running the show .. had no reason to suspect a serial pedophile. That came from FBI.
By August, local LE knew that TH was not the only one involved. ALL .. and this is important to note .. the evidence and witnesses went before (according to B) 3 GJ, who did not indict .. anyone. This is a critical point. There was no direct evidence to indict TH for the disappearance of KyH. This and the MFH were the only potential crimes of TH that they were tasked with determining if indeed a crime had been committed.
The rest of TH’s behavior becomes fodder for divorce court … still yet to be determined.
In reading the FBI profile, I can tell you that a serial pedophile does not act in collusion with a hoochie mamma, to select his victim. This type of criminal personality is keen on recognizing and taking advantage of vulnerable situations.
TH’s blatent exposure of herself and her family .. in my opinion, and that’s all it is .. is what opened the door for this pedophile.
The choice for this type of pedophile is not specific to the child, but to the “type” of child. The typing of victimology is the signature of the perp.
My best guess as to her public silence is her attorney. If he takes your case, you shut up! Now why would she need this type of attorney? Because was the only one being considered for this crime in the early stages.
My guess is … an attorney of this stature would do a risk assesment analysis of TH … standard practice for many defense attorneys, similar tool used in jury selection … and knew she was not of a personality type for this crime. Remember, his only job is to represent her against criminal charges in the disappearance of KyH. He knows she did not mastermind or take Ky. There are other roles she could have played that could/would result in charges filed. His role would then be to defend or mitigate those charges.
I understand people’s need for the obvious to just be the obvious. Sadly, this type of situation has layers upon layers of activity, that the public is not privy to.
These observations are mine alone … I do not MOO because I’m not a cow.
Just fyi Puzzled gave me the option to post or delete, I would encourage people to read this.
B
There may be no phone records or electronic evidence that Terri communicated with SZ (if there is, it’s being held back understandably). Do we know if any of the people listed as being at the science fair were members of the gym that Terri belonged to?
Blink says:
…I have to believe that if Th has information that would help locate Kyron, her atty would have proffered and leveraged same appropriately.
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I understand what you are saying, but am reading it a bit differently. I am confused, am no attorney, so I ask this question sincerely.
Would it be common practice for an attorney (who believes his/her client is under suspicion) to leverage information before the client is even charged with anything – since his/her client may never be charged and doing so could implicate the client unnecessarily?
Or would it be common practice for the attorney to wait to see if the client is charged, what the client is charged with, then leverage pertinent information for reduction/dismissal of charges etc.?
Do we know if Timur Van Dykes ever worked for the pumpkin farm on Sauvie Island, or if he worked for RS? I went back through the older articles but could not find an answer to this.
I’d be very interested in Lea Connor’s take on the link info below.
I preface this information by saying that all or just part of the “federal jurisdiction” stuff could apply in TH’s case, if it’s considered that she did not deal with just some local men or one local man.
Is TH on lock down on Houze’s orders because she’s facing big ticket federal charges that have nothing to do with Kyron’s abduction? If she is facing the feds, and not just the wrath of local or state penalties, is she thus a material witness to a MFH ring? Is this something that would “surprise” us, as the Sheriff said last September? Was this the reason more than one federal LE agency became involved in Kyron’s disappearance?
In the website citation below, involving federal charges, TH could see ten years just for plotting a MFH with intent to carry it out (without a murder occurring).
What is the minimum sentence for a MFH conviction in Oregon? Do states vary on sentencing or does federal sentencing prevail? I’ve puttered about reading up this crime and am unhappy about not finding much via state laws (so far) but anyway, here is the website:
http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm01107.htm
Before you read it, note that one sentence states clearly that FEDERAL jurisdiction can occur via just one “interstate phone call.” If TH actually tried to arrange a MFH, did she deal with a local guy who knew a guy who also knew a guy….etc….in another state?
From the website:
1107 Murder-for-Hire—The Offense
The “murder-for-hire” statute, 18 U.S.C. § 1958, was enacted as part of the Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984, Pub.L. 98-473, Ch. X, Part A (Oct. 12, 1984). Section 1958(a) provides:
Whoever travels in or causes another (including the intended victim) to travel in interstate or foreign commerce, or uses or causes another (including the intended victim) to use the mail or any facility in interstate or foreign commerce, with intent that a murder be committed in violation of the laws of any State or the United States as consideration for the receipt of, or as consideration for a promise or agreement to pay anything of pecuniary value, or who conspires to do so [violates this statute].
Initially § 1958 was codified as 18 U.S.C. § 1952A, but in 1988 it was renumbered as § 1958. Section 1958 was patterned after the Interstate Travel in Aid of Racketeering (ITAR) statute, 18 U.S.C. § 1952. S. Rep. No. 225, 98th Cong., 2d Sess. 306, reprinted in 1984 U.S. Code Cong. & Adm. News 3182, 3485 (hereinafter S. Rep. No. 225). Consequently, some case law under § 1952, especially that relating to the use of a facility in interstate commerce, is applicable to § 1958.
Section 1958 renders it illegal: 1) to travel or use facilities in interstate or foreign commerce; 2) with intent that a murder in violation of State or Federal law be committed; 3) for money or other pecuniary compensation. See United States v. Ritter, 989 F.2d 318, 321 (9th Cir. 1993). The government is not required to prove that a defendant intended or knew that the mails or any other facility of interstate commerce would be used or that interstate travel would occur. United States v. Edelman, 873 F.2d 791, 794-95 (5th Cir. 1989). Rather, a defendant must use or cause another to use such a facility with the intent that a murder be committed. See United States v. Winter, 33 F.3d 720, 721 (6th Cir.), cert. denied, 115 S.Ct. 1148 (1994).
Federal jurisdiction may be established in one of three ways: 1) by travel in interstate or foreign commerce; 2) by use of the mails; or 3) by use of any facility in interstate or foreign commerce.
The term “facility in interstate or foreign commerce” is defined to expressly include “means of transportation and communication.” § 1958(b)(2). Congress intended to give the term “facility in interstate or foreign commerce” the same scope and breadth encompassed by the Travel Act, 18 U.S.C. § 1952. S.Rep. 225 at 306 n.5.
Any use of the mails, including intrastate mailings, will furnish Federal jurisdiction. See United States v. Riccardelli, 794 F.2d 829, 830-33 (2d Cir. 1986); United States v. Heacock, 31 F.3d 249, 254 (5th Cir. 1994).
A single interstate telephone call will furnish Federal jurisdiction. United States v. Perrin, 580 F.2d 730, 733 (5th Cir. 1978), aff’d, 444 U.S. 37 (1979); United States v. Pecora, 693 F.2d 421 (5th Cir. 1982). The Senate Report specifically cites the example of an interstate telephone call as a basis for Federal jurisdiction. S. Rep. 225 at 306 n.5 (The Committee cited in support of its conclusion United States v. Villano, 529 F.2d 1046, 1052-54 (10th Cir.), cert. denied, 426 U.S. 953 (1976)). The fact that a call was incidental to the scheme does not matter, so long as the interstate phone call facilitated the crime. See United States v. Jones, 642 F.2d 909, 913 (5th Cir. 1981). An intrastate telephone call, however, will not furnish Federal jurisdiction. United States v. Sapio, 299 F. Supp. 436 (S.D.N.Y. 1969); Utz v. Correa, 631 F. Supp. 592 (S.D.N.Y. 1986). It is unsettled whether a means of communication that requires interstate equipment (such as cellular phones and pagers), even when the parties are within the same state, triggers Federal jurisdiction under § 1958. One district court held that the jurisdictional element was satisfied. See United States v. Stevens, 842 F. Supp. 96 (S.D.N.Y. 1994) (use of pager system that transmitted signals across state boundaries provided jurisdiction under § 1958).
When using an informant in a murder-for-hire investigation, the government must not manufacture the interstate nexus required for jurisdiction. Such actions may be grounds for reversal. See, e.g., United States v. Coates, 949 F.2d 104 (4th Cir. 1991) (reversal of convictions where only basis for Federal jurisdiction was interstate calls government agent arranged for sole purpose of creating Federal jurisdiction); United States v. Archer, 486 F.2d 670 (2d Cir. 1973). Such cases are typically analyzed by courts as outrageous government conduct or government overreaching. See, e.g., United States v. Keats, 937 F.2d 58, 65 (2d Cir.), cert. denied, 112 S.Ct. 399 (1991); United States v. Bagnariol, 665 F.2d 877, 898 n.15 (9th Cir. 1981), cert. denied, 456 U.S. 962 (1982); United States v. Hall, 536 F.2d 313, 327 (10th Cir.), cert. denied, 429 U.S. 919 (1976).
According to the legislative history, § 1958 covers both the “hit man” and the contractor under the theory that the contractor causes the hit man to travel or use facilities in interstate commerce. S. Rep. 225 at 306.
The maximum penalty for violating § 1958 varies with the severity of the conduct: a fine and/or ten years for any violation; a fine and/or twenty years if personal injury results; and a fine of not more than $250,000 and/or death or life imprisonment if death results. If the death penalty might be applicable, the United States Attorney’s Office must comply with the guidelines at USAM 9-10.000.
Sammy says:
December 19, 2010 at 10:28 am
Any Skyline locals still here that could comment on this please?
Were traditional parent-involved events at the school just not on the school schedule this year?
Background checks not a requirement to volunteer at the school?
Does the school’s 2010-2011 schedule include a science fair in June 2011?
Any answers would be greatly appreciated.
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Sammy, I’m not a local, but I recently perused Skyline’s 2010/2011 schedule and noticed immediately that there is no listed Science Fair on it. I figured they were just not publicly listing those types of things, but probably still having them. Now it sounds like they are not even having them. Although the talent show and field day in June are still listed. Here’s the link:
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/files/mskach/Parentand_StudentHandbook_2010-11.pdf
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This is also posted on their volunteer news page:
We love volunteers here at Skyline. There are always opportunities to help out, in the classrooms, with the PTA/Foundation/Site Council, with the gardening project, in the library, or on the many committees.
It is important that all volunteers and visitors to Skyline follow the appropriate procedures. Whenever you volunteer at Skyline you must wear a volunteer badge. Pick up your badge from the school office.
All volunteers must also have an up to date background check. A couple of important documents you will need to complete are the volunteer background information sheet and the volunteer background check form. These two documents are particularly important as we rely heavily upon the incredible amount of parent support given in the form of volunteering in various school activities. These forms may seem intrusive, but they are a necessary measure to ensure the safety of Skyline children. All parents who will be working with students at Skyline must fill out these forms and send them back into school. This does not just apply to classroom volunteers, but any parent who will be unsupervised with children, i.e. field trip drivers. These forms are completely confidential. The information collected on the background check form is processed by the state and not retained or copied by the school. The volunteer information form is kept in the office. Our goal is to get as many parents involved in volunteering in some way as possible. Thank you for your cooperation in keeping Skyline students safe, and thank you again for all the amazing things you all do for Skyline students.
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/261.htm
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@Puzzled: I’m not going to get into this one; I’ve already been clear re: WHY I believe TH is involved, and it has nothing to do with her immorality. Also, I can see the two parts of the equation and laid it out earlier. I disagree with several of your points, but this has all been covered.
I just want to say re: your comment “I just I do believe she had enough bad behavior .. thou not necessarily criminal .. that had her husband been aware, he would divorce her in a day. The behavior showed up .. coincidently, and only because her stepson disappeared … and in those first days and weeks she was the only one being considered as the obvious culprit. I know I considered her the obvious culprit..”
—I am NOT judging her “bad behavior”, I”m judging her questionable actions and the inconsistencies, all of which, as I’ve said, have been outlined innumerable times here.
Once again we all find ourselves back to TH, and regardless of how stringently some of us defend her and others accuse her, that doesn’t, as Blink pointed out, get us to WHO TOOK KYRON.
@Blink
(snipped) “I think it is done simultaneously, but I would be particularly interested in what made MCSO treat this case as a possible ransom case, or that it was not a suspect zero case, in which, the fact that he would possibly deceased in very short order, statistically speaking.”
Was that because the focus was on TH, or was there something else?
B
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At the onset, LE had to quickly explore all the possibilites to include kidnap for ransom/isolated incident/stranger abduction. I think LE immediately focused on TH on the basis of her behavior (lack of grief, evidence of alibi staging etc.) as did TY, KH, DY and 95 percent of the general public. As the case progressed the likliest suspect (TH) became the focus of the investigation. This was a big mistake. And months, with no physical evidence to link anyone to his disappearance, they have chosen to refocus the investigation to include “SZ”. So, are they back at Ground Zero?..I think so unless they have a “wild card” (evidence)unbeknownst to us, to tie everything together. I sure have my doubts.
The ransom note or alert is my opinion, not fact.
I know nothing of RS or anyone else having Kyron’s glasses, but I do personally believe they have been recovered.
B
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So thinking along the lines of LE recovered KY’s glasses and they may not have been left with a ransom note. Is it possible that all of the clothes that LE displayed as what KY was wearing the day he was abducted were clothes that LE found and they believed them to be KY’s?
@ Nancy says@
December 19, 2010 at 1:27 pm
“Would it be common practice for an attorney (who believes his/her client is under suspicion) to leverage information before the client is even charged with anything – since his/her client may never be charged and doing so could implicate the client unnecessarily?”
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It is not uncommon for defense counsel in certain circumstances to negotiate with prosecutors prior to indictment in an attempt to persuade the prosecutor from filing charges or to decrease the asserted offense to a lesser charge. However, I think both sides keep their cards pretty close to their respective chests unless and until charges are actually entered against the defendant.
@puzzled
If Ky’s disappearance points to a serial pedophile what are the chances of the ped being “caught”? And, what are the chances of LE finding Ky’s body? Do you personally think TH knows who this perp is?
TIA
I wish I had a better feeling about this than I do, but with the amount of assets involved in this investigation and it’s status, I fear he will not be apprehended until he attempts this again, or potential evidence is uncovered with Kyron’s remains (like DNA). I stand by my idea to get the parents and staff together and get them talking.
B
24.puzzled says:
December 19, 2010 at 11:32 am
@puzzled – Fantastic post: bravo, applause, kudos! Thank you so much for such a concise piece.
And of course, Blink, thanks for posting it!
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Rose says:
December 18, 2010 at 8:12 pm
@Rose- Excellent point, thank you. I didn’t even think about that, oy vey, I am such a rookie here.
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@Erose & jan – IDK what to think about that church and those pics. I was very active as a kid in my church youth group, camp every Summer, etc. and nobody ever had a problem (that I know of). I don’t recall EVER playing leap frog with an adult, though. Kind of hinky, that. It could be nothing or it could be something. I sincerely hope that LE is reading here every day.
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I’ve been wrapping presents, thinking about Ky’s family and how they must be feeling, which I truly cannot being to imagine. Saying extra prayers for those that love Ky, especially his Momma.
Will check that out, thanks.
B
I can’t help but look over the list of persons at the SF to try to see the abductor. I know the person who did whatever was done to Kyron is on that list. Or not. Perhaps by distributing this list, LE seeks to verify the sightings of SZ of which they’ve already been informed.
Which actually seems kind of unlikely, as you would think LE would have fiercely focused on a SZ from the beginning of the investigation. They had the original list within about 48 hours or less. Then they verified and/or compiled a new one with the distribution of the flyers that included DeDe. Also, many persons who live in the area, associated with the school or not, have blogged that LE has spoken to them numerous times. I think LE would have been seriously focusing on identifying SZ in the past months, not just getting around to it now.
When searches resumed at SI and MCSO’s spokesperson said they were just going back over everything, I truly believed they were getting ready to seek an indictment. I really do believe the GJ has been used completely as an investigative tool and used well and when re-called to sit, will hand down indictments.
But, later I read that the search was actually prompted by a tip that fishermen had identified a suspect shape with a sophisticated fish finder. Whichever is actually true, I’m not sure, but it does upset me that MCSO can just lie (why have a spokesperson and why not change their designation?). However, the Monday following that report when I drove through the area of CP, SI, Linnton, I saw the now familiar MCSO vans and a Dive team van.
I really have to wonder if LE is verifying the list one last time before they proceed with charges. Perhaps, they have verified the whereabouts for specified periods of time on June 4th of every person on that list but one.
The classrooms with the electric projects were along the same hallway 2-3 rooms before Kyron’s classroom. To the right of the classrooms with the electric projects was the North Door of Skyline Elementary, a main door which is not locked and not monitored. Terri parked at the beginning of the access road blocking all others from getting up the road. This was a long way to carry Kiara uphill to the school in the rain when there were far more convenient parking spaces available. Someone was seen around Kaine Hormon’s truck by a witness or witnesses.
LE must also be pretty sure TH is never gonna talk, at least until charges are filed, so they will probably make them good ones. Just because there is no physical evidence of Kyron’s disappearance, it does not follow that there is no evidence of the event’s occurrence. Mountains and mountains of circumstantial evidence cannot be discounted as nothing just because there is no physical evidence. We did not have empirical evidence of atomic structure until recently, however we’ve understood the structure for around 100 years.
When TH is arrested she may squeal like the pig she reminds me of. I don’t have any doubts at all she has lied and lied and lied to Houze. I am not going to get caught up in romanticizing his super-lawyer-powers and believe he can get the truth from a pathological liar.
@ jan – You said: “The Jk ppp and AUMC church FB sites have red head and young boys — Ky look-alike and a big red head, strange?”
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The name of the redhead shows on the picture when you move the cursor over it.
Were you thinking this person could be mistaken for DS or TH (particularly on a rainy, cloudy day)? I wonder how many women there are in this area who could resemble each other by weight and hair color in a vehicle with tinted windows or other situations? Living in the area, I rarely see redheads on a day to day basis, however, it’s apparently within the realm of possibility that there are enough to confuse a witness.
I left a angel ornament on the Tree of Hope this morning. A very pretty morning with sun and a slight wind. Someone left some frog ornaments on the tree. Thinking today of Desiree and Kaine as we head into Christmas week that their son isn’t witn them for another holiday!
Question to anyone
would not Houze have had Terri take LDT tests privately when he
took the case
I have no doubt in my mind he did.
B
Oh, and I meant to state that I was paraphrasing Blink when I said ‘dumbest & unluckiest” . I should have stated that in my original comment.
This was Blink’s statement here in response to
“Shannon says:
December 14, 2010 at 12:21 pm
I do not understand how anyone thinks I am or have changed my position on this whatsoever.
I believe this crime is sexually motivated as I have said from day one.
I believe TH is either the most unlucky kook to walk the Earth, or either willfully, or through her activities and associates, she caused Kyron’s abduction.”
And my statement was my form of agreement, but I should’ve referenced this.
Can anyone clarify for me if KH testified before the GJ? all I have found is that he has said he appeared before the GJ but has never said he testified. If anyone has factual information that he testified, will you please post?
“Kaine Horman told KGW that he appeared before the grand jury in the Multnomah County Courthouse but he did not elaborate on whether he testified.”
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/2-months-later-where-is-Kyron-Horman-99784814.html
@bejay
enjoyed your post
I remain on the fence thinking and have since this case started
I am leaning toward the pedo at this time
my problem is I see Terri as a internet train wreck
your post gives lots to think about
Thank you
About a year ago an employee was fired from our company. His computer was searched for business purposes and child porn was found on his Internet history. The computer was turned over to police however nothing was done. I don’t know what happened, but as far as I can tell – nothing. A few months back I saw him at a party where 70+ people wer in attendance. I alerted every person there exept for his wife whom I’m sure is already fully aware. As I left – he told me he knew he was different and couldnt help it. I just left and faught nausea for the rest of the evening. And frustration. If it was the wild west it would have been resolved, the helpless feeling af being able to do nothing is awful. Recently I heard news of him through the grapevine. A neighbor of his said that one morning after an evening of snow, footprints showed evidence he was a peeping Tom.
What I’m getting at is what do I do? I know where he lives. I can’t prove anything. What do I do? I don’t know but I want to make sure whatever I can do is done. It tortures me that I know he is going to hurt a child and is probably already.
Please help!
If you know and can prove child porn was found on his work computer and this is a colleague, express your concerns to HR as a start.
B
JMO when I heard that TMH said; “… adopted from a prominent family …” it seemed she wanted people to “over-look” her “humble teacher adopted parents” & KNOW she CAME FROM money, so to speak.
JMO the comment further showed TMH over-riding NEED for wealth & its trappings with her drive to IMPRESS people (w/ lies&/or half-truths) .
JMO TMH had NOT dealt w/ being adopted & was still trying to “re-write” that part of her history.
JMHO
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Kat says:
December 18, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Thinking “the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree”—IF TMH was adopted from a prominent family….and IF there were mental issues with a birth mother who could not keep her for instability reasons–perhaps “getting rid of another problem”—it could be she was tracked by bio family –as someone said further up the posts—and Houze was allowed access to her info and their $$ for her defense. History repeats itself–genetically sometimes. She was “getting rid of a problem”–Ky–as long as it was out of her bushy red hair. So….hmmm…to which prominent family does she bear resemblance???!!! Maybe those face recognition cameras could drum up a few relatives for her! IMOOOOOOOO
There is no evidence she was adopted from a prominent family.
B
Has anyone read Terri’s e-mails that stated how much she hated Kyron? Desiree mentioned these in an interview about two months ago but I have never come across the actual e-mails or excerpts of what they said. I would really like to know who the recipient of these e-mails was. Perhaps that person, or a friend of theirs, decided to take Kyron off Terri’s hands.
The ransom note or alert is my opinion, not fact.
I know nothing of RS or anyone else having Kyron’s glasses, but I do personally believe they have been recovered.
B
I am wondering, if the glasses were truly recovered, and <> has them, is that a piece of evidence LE is holding close to the vest? Curious about your certainty…
cd says:
December 19, 2010 at 3:06 pm
The ransom note or alert is my opinion, not fact.
I know nothing of RS or anyone else having Kyron’s glasses, but I do personally believe they have been recovered.
B
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So thinking along the lines of LE recovered KY’s glasses and they may not have been left with a ransom note. Is it possible that all of the clothes that LE displayed as what KY was wearing the day he was abducted were clothes that LE found and they believed them to be KY’s?
Clothes and glasses are physical evidence. If we believe Sheriff Staton that there is no physical evidence involving Kyron’s disappearance, then, these things would not been found.
18.puzzled says:
December 19, 2010 at 11:32 am
“In reading the FBI profile, I can tell you that a serial pedophile does not act in collusion with a hoochie mamma, to select his victim. This type of criminal personality is keen on recognizing and taking advantage of vulnerable situations.”
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I think we also have to keep in mind the limitations of criminal personality profiling. The erroneous, if you will, criminal profiles of the BTK killer, the Olympic Park Bomber, the Beltway sniper attacks, as well as others come to mind.
Midwest Mom says:
December 19, 2010 at 4:38 pm
Can anyone clarify for me if KH testified before the GJ? all I have found is that he has said he appeared before the GJ but has never said he testified. If anyone has factual information that he testified, will you please post?
Here is a link to one of several stories on this topic, indicating that Kaine and Desiree testified before the GJ:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99801789.html
24.puzzled says:
Excellent post Puzzled! Thank you for that!
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers, sister, friends and classmates.
I have been following jan’s posts and I had not thought of that until you mentioned it and now it is almost all I can think about.
30.MockingbirdSings says:
December 19, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Were you thinking this person could be mistaken for DS or TH
@ Idahogal says:
December 18, 2010 at 4:33 pm
…we have to worry about letting these vampires into our communities…
Idea of a meeting of all those that attended the SF is brilliant…I’ll put a bug in ear of someone I know…to get this done.
@ MockingbirdSings says:
December 18, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Jennit Powel did indicate in one interview that Terri had been volunteer on Skyline garden project …Jennit is garden coordinator, considered herself a friend of Terri – only one who spoke on camera. She and her husband were at SF – he uses a different last name.
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Idahogal,
Yes, great idea, put bug in ear!
Mockingbird,
Invite Jennit P.
Before MSCO asks for next round of funding, I have faith S-KY Mom’s could really help. Put together a “What Mom’s Saw” binder.
Gather swat-team style with everything you know, who was at what volunteer events; make lists, cross-reference notes, all names, photos with dogged persistence. This protects our children in S-KY community. Band together, strong and stubborn with advocacy for pedo awareness, the truth, the right to know.
@ enumclawrose says:
December 19, 2010 at 5:52 am
In researching associate of RS, I have come up with someone who is linked to ministers- evangelists…links to foreign-domestic men…involved in global ministries
Enumclawrose,
See 2 “pretty” boy body-builders on far left, AUMC Pastor Strobel FB site. Where did they work out?
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1427993703109&set=t.1050631812
If I squint, there’s a guy in same photo that has a slight wee resemblance to SF mystery man (photo ID falsely lists name Angela R) on right, 2nd row down, about 4th guy in, next to H. Huntley. Dunno, in long shot category.
Did we learn SF corner mystery man name associated with mayor tweet? Still wonder if City (or PPS?) worker being protected?
When was KY last at SI pumpkins and where? There are pics of Ky with pumpkins. Coincidence? See odd AUMC page squirrel note:
9/24/09 JK “you can tell by my expression that the SQUIRREL tasted fine…”
http://www.facebook.com/alohaumc?v=wall
There are connections in Idaho folks, knowing S-KY community folks, unable to vet beyond long shot.
Do you see anything here with jk’s group, Oregon-Idaho conference?
http://www.facebook.com/UMOrId
Note hits on characteristics of a Pedophile:
http://crime.about.com/od/sex/p/pedophile.htm
Pedophiles Like:
1. Child-like Activities
2. Hobbies like…keeping reptiles or EXOTIC PETS
3. Work Around Children…volunteer work with children, often in supervisory capacity, sports coaching, contact sport instruction, unsupervised position, has opportunity to spend unsupervised time with child
Coincidence? Keeping REPTILES is jk hobby:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1037528026
enumclawrose says:
December 19, 2010 at 5:25 am
Barrel boy is beyond creepy.
Creeped me out too. Are boys groomed to crawl into small containers, “hey, try this” –and then rolled out nonchalantly?
Anyone have child swimming pool or slip n’slide hinky clues?
Puzzled, I studied your post and you must be onto something, because Blink wanted us all to read it. I know you don’t have all the answers, because nobody does, but what do you think happened in regards to Ky’s absence. Do you think there was an appointment mix up, or the teacher did not take attendance, or what? I mean, how did this go unnoticed for so long without the, as you say, hoochie mamma’s help? See, if we believe your theory, and it is very plausible, then we have a whole set of other issues we do not want to believe.
BLINK SAID:
She is either involved and waiting for the boom to be lowered.
Or
She is guilty of being a cruel step-mom who had it out for a 7 year old, with a broken moral compass, and may have wanted to off Kaine for as yet unknown reasons, and she has no idea what happened to Kyron.
B
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Blink, I have been of the same opinion as Puzzled for the last 4 or 5 weeks. I believe it’s quite possible that Terri’s poor judgment inadvertently opened the door to Kyron’s abduction, but it’s unlikely that she was directly involved. The FBI profile further supports this possibility. I’m unclear of your reason for stating that (a) Terri is either involved or (b) she was a cruel stepmother – it’s one or the other according to your statement. I haven’t seen anything to indicate cruelty towards Kyron. The worst thing that we’ve heard about Terri in relation to Kyron is that she was strict (from Kaine). Then, we hear Desiree “leak” that LE has shown her hateful emails – which seems a very odd thing for them to do – but we haven’t seen the emails nor have any of them contents or context been revealed. We know some electronic communications in this case may have been altered are misrepresented already. So, I interpret from your statement that Terri is either involved or a cruel stepmother, I understand that your sources confirm truly hateful authenticated emails diplaying cruelty to Kyron exist. Can you confirm (if possible)? Thanks!
@ Blink and Puzzled,
These observations are mine alone … I do not MOO because I’m not a cow.
Just fyi Puzzled gave me the option to post or delete, I would encourage people to read this.
B
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What is your opinion on what or where the RS issue goes
or not?