Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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@ Malty…MOST judges won’t ever allow the word LDT in the court room. Geoffrey Feiger just got lambasted in a judges courtroom last month for doing such. Houze will never use the fact that Terri attempted to take 3 LDT’s in his defense of her. IMO.
As to why she kept taking them…the only thing I can figure out about that is she is a narcissist. Those types of people think they are above the law and can get away with anything AND everything.
@ Malty…MOST judges won’t ever allow the word LDT in the court room. Geoffrey Feiger just got lambasted in a judges courtroom last month for doing such. Houze will never use the fact that Terri attempted to take 3 LDT’s in his defense of her. IMO.
As to why she kept taking them…the only thing I can figure out about that is she is a narcissist. Those types of people think they are above the law and can get away with anything AND everything.
http://www.macombdaily.com/articles/2010/11/04/news/doc4cd2d4d2202fa306348859.tx
thanks Evie! I just keep wracking my brain with ideas of who would have access to kyron and spirit him away without a trace. What stays in my mind is my post earlier about brothers killing their father in Idaho in the 1970′s. People knew but did not speak. I guess I was one of them because the girl at the party knew and she told me and I said nothing. I was in my 20′s and scared. because she knew and told me and then I knew… I think there are people besides TH and DD that know what happened to Kyron.
1. I would like the blow by blow of TH meeting the bus, and Kaine and Kiara bringing up the rear while TH is standing there talking to the bus driver..
B
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“Was Kaine waiting at the bus stop for Kyron to get off of the school bus?
“Yes I was. I walked Kiara down to the bus stop about 3:35 with Terri following close after we left. We all arrived down at the bus stop together and waited as the bus came to the stop.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/horman_family_answers_question.html
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I’d make a comment if I could think of one.
lol, was that typical?
As he was home frequently, who met the bus?
B
31.evie says:
December 21, 2010 at 4:31 pm
That said, I stand for invasive investigation in this case and I say.. Hav at it.
B”
Just to be clear.. not so much as skepticism from me, but trying to understand better what wrote. However, I think you’ve worked another hint in there. : )
I would certainly have at it if I had the tools; I’m sure you know that about many of your readers. (speaking of, where is our beejay…. home from the holidays yet? Am looking for your posts!)
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evie, My thoughts exactly..hmmmmm
I would like the blow by blow of TH meeting the bus, and Kaine and Kiara bringing up the rear while TH is standing there talking to the bus driver..
B
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lol, was that typical?
As he was home frequently, who met the bus?
B
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Blink, If your saying what I think your saying,
then I am totally confused. Can you expand a little?
I would like the blow by blow of TH meeting the bus, and Kaine and Kiara bringing up the rear while TH is standing there talking to the bus driver..
B
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Not following you, you mean Kaine’s version?
He is somewhat of a sore spot for me in regards to what part he has in all this, every time he starts to suck me in, something tells me to stop and re-listen to what he just said and I become aware that things are not how they appear.
I don’t know if he has the gift of prophecy or speaking in code or what!
Nancy says:
December 21, 2010 at 2:47 pm
Jackie Bauer says:
December 21, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Video? Did I miss something? Video? Was this in FM parking lot, or some other video with Kyron on it? I’m confused (yet again).
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I believe this is in reference to Kyron not being seen on video at FM(s), (which we already assumed) because if LE had video of Kyron with TH at FM(s), she would have been arrested on the spot long ago.
@Nancy: I was hoping against hope that there was another video and this was a hint or a slip from Blink. I should’ve known better, but I thought maybe there was something new, some video of Kyron elsewhere.
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IIRC the white truck to avoid notice from the LS was one possible reason that TH chose to take the truck, but IDK that Blink ever confirmed that.
Also, would it even be possible for someone to take the mustang out of Intel parking lot without that showing up on surveillance cameras? I’d think Intel would have some eye in the sky going on even in the lots.
@ Shelly,
I had asked a general age range several pages back and Blink wasn’t
able to answer. I recently came across this general age description for serial peds, have a look , its quite interesting.
He is over 30 years of age, single and has few or no friends his own age.
http://occamsrazor5.tripod.com/id163.htm
@Ode says:
December 21, 2010 at 6:21 pm
lol, thanks for the quote, now I can see my typo! Should be “but trying to understand better what *you* *wrote.” (to Blink)
Editing on the fly is *such* a bad idea…
Pointless as it may be, I still have Elsy & her missing kids on my mind. Have put out a couple of weak feelers, but not to the right people obviously.
Because of that, the following story caught my eye today.
Wanted Mother Turns Herself In To Authorities
SALEM, Ore. — Marion County deputies say a mother wanted after a drug raid at her home has turned herself in, but her children remain missing.
http://www.kptv.com/news/26207182/detail.html
http://www.kptv.com/news/26193838/detail.html
Midwest Mom says:
December 21, 2010 at 6:38 pm
I would like the blow by blow of TH meeting the bus, and Kaine and Kiara bringing up the rear while TH is standing there talking to the bus driver..
B
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Not following you, you mean Kaine’s version?
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I’d be very interested in the BUS DRIVERS version.
Not just a commentary like – “I pulled the bus up. KH and TMH were standing there. No Kyron on the bus. Called the school.”
But more importantly …
what “vibes” did the bus driver pick-up on from TMH at the bus stop.
Was she placing the blame already with her overly detailed yet missing too much important things alibi?
… “what do you mean he’s not on your bus. I left him at the school at exactly 9am this morning.
I have a receipt from F. Meyers at 9:12am. The school never called me.”
The following is my experience and my opinion:
I have had first hand experience with a pedophile. He lived across the street from me. He was married and he was raising his niece (who was my age at the time) and his nephew who was much younger. He held a middle-class management job. He was at all the neighborhood get-togethers. His wife was morbidly obese, probably three times his size. The neighbors thought highly of this couple because they had taken in these kids when their mom became too ill to raise them–she had psychological problems. He was white. He was creepy, but nothing that you could really put your finger on. He paid a lot of attention to all the kids in the neighborhood. Their house always had the curtains closed. The young boy was required to sleep in a crib even though he was too old for one–he was not allowed to get up without asking, and he was made to take lots of naps.
He began by doing things such as playing gas station with us while we were in the swimming pool–the water hose was the gas pump. He wanted to view our pee, etc. in the toilet. It escalated from here, and we were required to spank him with a newspaper after he was finished. He dead now. He died a miserable death according to the Priest who gave his eulogy.
I was vulnerable, just as Kyron was vulnerable. There was madness all around in Kyron’s world. Like attracts like, I think. Maybe this is how the vampire was invited in.
Pedophiles work and live among us all. I urge anyone local who reads here to listen to that still small voice that tells you something just isn’t right. I urge everyone else to please pay attention to what is going on in your child’s world.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^READ THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That breaks my ever-loving heart. On a lighter note, the eff-wad pedo that wrote the handbook we worked Amazon to yank, successfully, was arrested for writing it.
B
Blink says:
And if applied to this case, if we verify that Kyron was not abducted by his stepmom, then occam tells us this is an opportunist sexual predator abduction.
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I agree if the part in parentheses below is added:
And if applied to this case, if we verify that Kyron was not abducted by his stepmom (or someone working with his stepmom), then occam tells us this is an opportunist sexual predator abduction.
http://books.google.com/books?id=_zqOsZSZxYQC&pg=PA117&lpg=PA117&dq=serial+pedophilles+characteristics&source=bl&ots=zqjJGi7JXT&sig=fhjJDdD4QN5Erlf7fosDwzVvDpE&hl=en&ei=uT8RTb31EYmusAOTtpmqCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDkQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q&f=false
scroll down to page 119 and read about the “MYSOPED”,
Sounds quite similar to this case, in that they take the kids
from school, and etc.
@Rose says:
December 21, 2010 at 2:28 pm
“I have gone thru FB’s 500 last names of skyline’s special educator–can someone here see what I oveelooked? At one time I found his Calif license & a track race list from a race outside San Francisco a few years ago ( the real Silicon) but can no longer find the latter. Moved to Oregon 3-4 yrs ago? Has a local youth track club online, but no entries. Is NOT on the list for appearing at Skyline that morning. Not to wrongfully bandy about names, but hope for some “beejaying.””
Not sure I have followed the name you are after, but if the Silicon reference was for me and I wrote that Washington County = Silicon (anything) it was supposed to be ‘Silicon Forest’. Apologies if I wrote that wrong before. There’s only one Silicon Valley.
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@DesertGirl says:
December 21, 2010 at 5:33 pm
“I am passionate about this, and just wanted to thank you for giving voice to the good, hard work that some of us do. I wish I had a chance to know Kyron.
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If you are equally passionate about safety and community building events, you will be fine.
You absolutely must acknowledge that they can be a way from bad people to prey on others.
That is reality.
B”
Back atcha, DesertGirl, you keep up the good work too. I’m in a strange position (feels that way now) in that I am not a parent, and I am hypersensitive to kids’ privacy & safety when I am around them.
Blink, thanks for the encouragement and reality check. I can tell you that working with the public safety topic in my neighborhood here in Portland has been very satisfying and does get results. There are three projects that I’ve initiated as a result of Kyron that have netted results already (two of them nothing to do with kids, as it turns out! The information came to my attention as a result of following this case though.).
Hopefully, everything adds up and makes a difference in the big picture.
Goodness…I just don’t know what to think any more. I still say the Skyline parents and parents in surrounding communities have a reason to be more than just a little concerned at this point.
Having said that, I have to add this, we all need to be a little more concerned in our own neighborhoods, for our own children and our neighbors kids as well. If nothing else comes of Kyron’s disappearance other than we all become more aware of what is going on right in front of our eyes then at least his short little life will leave a legacy of some kind.
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I am curious now if the verbage of TH “failing” the LD is gonna change from “she failed” to “she was evasive”….I’m gonna start reading future articles a little more close if they bring up LD again.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers, sister, friends and classmates.
44.justice23 says:
December 21, 2010 at 5:55 pm
http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/news_article.aspx?storyid=164507
This article speaks of file sharing porn. In my mind, porn investigators know certain images. The age of an image is most likely established and if an image has been investigated, or is older, then the crime is passing around or sharing the image. However, if new images are generated, then investigators must try to act, to locate where the crime is taking place, who the children are, and who the perps are in cyber space. It’s kind of like the old west there/here right now, no way to enforce rules, bad guys twenty steps ahead of everyone…
49.Ode says:
December 21, 2010 at 6:21 pm
31.evie says:
December 21, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Any hint on the hint?
Yes, it may have been for the “4-wheel drive” … but it always had the look that the truck blended in.
White 4-door/crew cab trucks litter the roads.
The other day I was commenting driving in traffic (by a mall) of the police presence in the lane next to & a few cars ahead of us. Behind the two marked police cars was “a look a like KH white truck” … this one also had a shell over the bed. No sooner did we notice & comment on police cars & the white truck, when the police cars switched on their lights & sirens. The car in front of the first police car stopped, than police, than car started etc etc … the car eventually rounded the corner & did a few more stop ‘n go as the 2 police cars & the white truck followed around behind & than the UNMARKED white truck flipped on its lights (!!)
So, let’s just say, white trucks are used here a lot. They blend into the background.
With the ability of forensic today & the sheer number of agencies involved, even though Kyron traveled back & forth in the truck, if he had met his end in the truck or been moved in the truck after, there would of been trace. And yes, there was a window of time but if there was “cleaning” of the truck, it would show up in tests etc.
IMO IF TMH was involved w/ disposal of evidence, I see her as a person to help w/ confusion not the hands on person,
IMO ANY red car would stand out on back roads, SI etc. A white truck, not so much
JMHO …questioning … to infinity & beyond FOR Kyron & FOR Desiree.
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justice23 says:
December 20, 2010 at 8:37 pm
Jackie Bauer says:
December 18, 2010 at 1:35 pm
@Riverpearl re: “But Mz Jackie is showing an area that is over-looked, 06/03.
I would also add EVERYDAY before 06/04.”
True, true, true. But the truck must’ve been needed for something specific, so that’s why that one is bugging me.
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riverpearl … I’ve always wondered if it was possible TMH needed the truck instead of her mustang because the truck had 4-wheel drive or at the very least was “rough terrain ready” whereas the Mustang was not. If she might’ve needed to go into any rural, forested area to get rid of any evidence, a truck would definitely make more sense than a Mustang, especially with all the rain Oregon gets and the mud it creates. Was TMH afraid the Mustang might not have made it through whatever terrain she might’ve been planning on navigating that day? JMO
@Knowdkat
well she is suppose to lie all the time
why didn’t she just smile and claim to have passed
or are the results public info
to dumb going 3times in my veiw
really dumb
I brought up the perv you mention … Wesley Allen Dodd.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westley_Allan_Dodd
[Or google Dodd, you will find enough reading material to get a grasp of who he was]
I posted about him because if anyone would read just a little on him & saw some of his statements … you would see true evil. He is who I think when I hear “sexual predator.
He abducted a 4-year old Portland boy from a Portland park & took the small boy back to his (Dodd’s) Vancouver home. He killed 2 young brothers in a Vancouver (Washington) park. Dodd was caught after the failed abduction of another boy in a Camas (Washington) movie theatre. When police searched Dodd’s home they found the 4-year old Portland boy (hanging) dead in a closet, who’s name was/is Lee Iseli.
“Dodd was executed by hanging at 12:05 a.m. on January 5, 1993 at Washington State Penitentiary in Walla Walla. By Washington State law, Dodd had to choose the method of his execution, and state law gave Dodd two options: lethal injection or hanging. Dodd chose hanging, later stating in interviews that he chose that method “because that’s the way Lee Iseli died.” He also requested that his hanging be televised, but that request was denied. His hanging was the first use of hanging for an execution in the United States since George York and James Latham were hanged by Kansas in 1965.” -wikipedia
Dodd was/is what some would call the “true” boogie man or a sexual, serial predator, truly evil that walked among us. The likes to this day that still scare me 17 yrs later knowing there are still others …
I also have asked people to look @ the Brooke Willberger case/ Corvalllis OR. The public NEVER knew of the investigation going on privately, no disclosure of evidence, no press releases etc UNTIL AFTER the perp had AGREED to a plea deal & he had disclosed her location. LE/DA announced the “solving” of Brooke’s disappearance/abduction, rape & murder & the conviction (plea bargain) of perp & w/i hours he was already on his way to start serving his life sentence in an Arizona prison (part of his plea deal was to serve out his sentence by family in Arizona IF he disclosed Brooke’s remains).
I see by Brooke’s case how little & actually no information was given to the public UNTIL her case was totally solved/ closed.
Brooke’s case makes me feel this is how Kyron’s case is going … it was OVER 5 years later Brooke’s remains were located & recovered.
As fast as I wish Kyron’s case would be “solved”, I know in reality, it may go for a very long time.
JMHO
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pdxgirl says:
December 21, 2010 at 12:20 am
I don’t suppose I could get you to take my word for the fact that part of the profile is very “spot on”?
B
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OK, this made me wonder if the part of the profile that was very “spot on” related to the masterful IT skills with no electronic footprint. That part of the profile stuck out in a “one of these things is not like the other” way for me.
Hmmm….wondering if SZ has visited BoC, and somehow left no trace? I’m NOT suggesting, by the way, that any commenter here is SZ (gotta be careful what you say here!)….just wondering if maybe Blink has some insider knowledge. Just a thought.
I’m also still entertaining the idea that an digital image or evidence of what happened to Kyron has been found by LE (“things we wish we didn’t know”). If so, this suspect is a very, very scary person indeed.
There was a case someone mentioned here a few months ago–also in the Pacific Northwest, I think–about a serial pedophile murderer who was eventually found because he attempted to abduct a boy from a movie theatre. The boy shouted and screamed and kicked…and why? Because his mother had told him that’s exactly what he should do in that scenario, following news reports of two other local boys having been murdered in a playground. The point is that the public knew what was going on, and parents warned their children. Had this mother not taken the time to talk to her son about the risks and what he should do in that scenario, this psycho could have gone on to who knows how many more victims. (This is one of the many, many things I’ve learned about since reading about Kyron here at BOC.)
It’s been making me increasingly upset that LE isn’t sharing more info with the public about this case other than “we’re working on it”).”TH did it” is one thing; this is quite another….
@ Blink,
“I stand for invasive investigation in this case and I say.. Hav at it.”
To numerous and thoughtful Blinkers, who’ve contributed to careful (sometimes dissenting) discussion including:
@ enumclawrose (many, thank you)
@ mockingbirdsings (ditto, thoughtful)
@ Kimberly (ditto)
@ Nancy says:
December 21, 2010 at 12:03 am
evie says: December 20, 2010 at 8:32 pm
…as theories are being floated, there would be more care taken when posting the name(s) of individuals.
mosaic says:
December 21, 2010 at 2:54 pm
“Logically she is involved, but logic is not evidence.” B”
net has to be cast far…
evie says:
December 21, 2010 at 3:56 pm
@Nancy says: December 21, 2010 at 12:03 am
Some of us know these people…chasing down wrong path.
@ MockingbirdSings says: December 21, 2010 at 2:24 am
Issue of Kyron going to the bathroom without telling anyone concerns me a lot…
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Could Ky have used outdoor port-a-potty that was said to be on School property for a short time?
@ Iodizedseasalt says:
December 20, 2010 at 12:56 pm
@jan- might kyron have actually been the one that was half cut off the pic???? you know she could have written the caption much much later
Interesting thought!
@ Midwest Mom says:
December 20, 2010 at 3:46 pm
@ Justanothermom says:
December 20, 2010 at 7:28 pm
1.Jden says: December 19, 2010 at 9:15 pm
@ MockingbirdSings says:
December 20, 2010 at 7:42 pm
@ evie says:
December 20, 2010 at 8:32 pm
…Who are his other victims?
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Skyline families and Names:
My sense is the perp is only one step removed from names of the individuals that are public and posted.
Look at the list and bring it closer to home.
Get every name on the list, whom did they know, with whom did they associate, look at list’s business, associates, friends; who is missing, (anyone?) look at every single person on the list, (all roots) and find the truth.
That perp has been to Skyline School before and has other victims he has molested. That would mean he lives(d) or work(ed) in the AREA, the community, The City of Roses.
PLAIN SIGHT, BUT HIDDEN
Perp had a reason to be at the school. He took Ky in plain sight, lives in plain sight, drove off with Ky in plain sight and Ky is missing in plain sight.
The question (or riddle) is:
what is in PLAIN SIGHT, but HIDDEN?
Since perp was at the school before, someone knows and has seen him, maybe you. He has molested children, hidden. Could it happen again?
It pains all of us to hear this about our Community being talked about on blogs, — well, too bad.
How painful is it not to find justice; how pained is Desiree or Kyron was when he was taken?
Collectively, we can be smarter than SZ.
Ky deserves the best minds on this case, including every Skyline family, who knew him. Kick every tire, float every theory, chase down every wrong path, drop all denial, attempt square peg in a round hole, 490 times with 490 names, eliminate kids, how many adults? Go for it, whether it’s Husband-A, Teacher-B, Worker- C or Family-K.
Did anyone ever have the slightest clue about TH public vs. private persona disconnect? Is there a similar disconnect with a name on the list? What else is lurking in a hidden arena?
It is time to take this abduction to a new level of thinking, including looking at good people you know. Someone was there and took Ky; is someone protecting another responsible?
Every name on that list is critical to the case, you are the people who were there.
Lots of work, it’s easy to rule out most people; who is on a short list? Ruffle a few feathers, who cares. Try on (as Blink says) “skeptical” or “cynical” or “creep factor” for a moment, well, we all should —Ky is nowhere to be found. Where are we (collectively) blind?
To throw in a ringer quote:
The Girl Who Played With Fire, book by Stieg Larsson.
In this book, main character goes after ring of abductors / abusers, human trafficking, horrible stuff. She applies mathematical equations to find perps. If Stieg Larrson got it enough to write multi-million dollar selling book, I think he was on to something.
“The root of an equation is a number which, substituted into the equation, instead of an unknown, converts the equation into an identity.
The root is said to satisfy the equation. Solving an equation implies finding all of its roots. An equation that is always satisfied, no matter the choice of value for its unknowns, is called an identity.”
In the spirit of Stieg Larsson, to solve this crime the MCSO should hire the best mathematicians they can find. This is a solvable (“perp profile”) equation; it is a mathematical equation, give the unknown of an identity; find all of its roots (perp profile); satisfy the equation, and you have the identity, the case is solved.
Ruffle a few feathers, who cares. One poster wrote, “I am just not that cynical”, well we all should be. Another said they did not see “creep factor” of some pictures, are they blind?
Invasive investigation is right—we’re really only touching the surface of what is publically posted.
If this were my child I would want the entire world searched, name by name, house by house, kid-interest by kid-interest, lot by lot, Facebook-page by Facebook-page, farm by farm, river by Island.
Look at the profile of a predator. What makes one name or another look ever so slightly suspicious from afar: connected to SI, worked at Intel (IT skills), organized, involved in youth camps, has rubber ducky races at a farm, coo coo trains made of plastic barrels he drives, children around playgrounds, petting zoo, owns pigs, tree farm, any thing to attract bus loads of school children, being brought there by Schools. I don’t know, if I “try on” cynical for one wee second, there’s a slight hint of Michael Jackson’s Neverland. I am glad locals can eliminate this possibility—so then move on to the next name, “try on” a theory and what do we see, hidden?
Invasive investigation, go! Without a doubt that the perp has been at the school before and this is serial.
Don’t wait for the next child’s foot to wash ashore onto a pristine Pacific Northwest beach.
Dear MockingbirdSings~
You show what a true concerned teacher every child should have—always.
Thank you for you post.
PS. You should be training teachers/principals/school districts — have you thought of that, seriously.
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MockingbirdSings says:
December 21, 2010 at 2:24 am
pdxgirl says:
December 21, 2010 at 1:24 pm
She was caught on store tape minutes after she left the school, and in a few places, IIRC. No Kyron.
B
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Could she not have left him in the car/truck?
Blink snipped “Multiple stops over multiple hours, I guess, if he left with her, but he did not.”
B
DesertGirl says:
December 21, 2010 at 5:20 pm
ok, this bathroom discussion has got me thinking in a different direction – I have been thinking about what happened outside of the school, post abduction, but Mockingbirdsings’ post got to me… WHY was he visiting the restroom alone and often indeed. If he was being “used” prior to abduction, did his abuser tell him not to let anyone see his “body parts”? Was he ashamed or worried that someone might see something on his “body parts” and the secret would be out?
And of course, I echo the idea that he had a bladder infection or other similar malady. Which could be merely an innocent,common infection. Or not. I subscribe to Occam/KISS – not exclusively, but firstly – but there just is no simple logic to follow here. So sad that this boy was let down by life.
Blink snipped “I have to say, if anyone subscribes to occam’s razor it is me.
And if applied to this case, if we verify that Kyron was not abducted by his stepmom, then occam tells us this is an opportunist sexual predator abduction.”
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So, it HAS NOT been verified that Ky was NOT abducted by his stepmom. That is important. Remember, there are reasons why TH is a defacto suspect.
We disagree on that lyla, you are welcome to subscribe otherwise, I am saying it has been verified to my satisfaction that Kyron did not leave Skyline school with Terri Horman.
B
Thought the link from “lyla 12/21 @ 4:35pm” was worth bringing over & posting w/ the characteristics & behavioral indicators of a pedophile.
“According to the U.S. Department of Justice, the characteristics and behavioral indicators of a pedophile, also referred to as a serial child sex abuser include the following:
Usually an adult male but some women also sexually abuse children
Often a child molestation victim themselves
Seeks out children of the age group they were when victimized
Usually married and hard-working
Employed within a wide range of occupations
Usually well-liked and respected community members
Often well-educated and regular church-goers
Relates better with children than adults
Some prefer boys, some prefer girls
Usually prefers a specific age group of children
Takes and collects photographs of victims while dressed, nude or in sexual poses
Collects child-adult pornography
Seeks to lower inhibitions of potential victims
Regularly attends children’s events in the community
Volunteers in youth organizations
Coaches children’s sports
Chaperones camping or overnight trips
Frequents video arcades, playgrounds or shopping malls
Offers babysitting services
Seeks jobs where children are easily accessible
Befriends parents, especially single mothers, to gain access to children
Participates in internet gaming with children
Joins social networking websites such as MySpace, Facebook, and other social media
Become foster parents
Seeks job opportunities where children are easily-accessible
How Child Molesters Lure Children
“Child molesters are professional con-artists, manipulating children with various “grooming methods”, in order to create a special bond of warmth and trust. This may involve lavish attention and gifts, money, alcohol or drugs, playful touching or tickling, all in an effort to create an atmosphere of secret keeping. It is important to note that most victims of child sexual abuse do not tell they were sexually abused, even when directly asked by a parent or other authority figures.”
“Pedophiles are extremely difficult to detect and can be found in the most unlikely places, making it imperative that parents provide children with the tools to recognize and avoid potentially abusive individuals and situations. Parents must be extremely vigilant in teaching children about good touch vs. bad touch, recognize and identify the signs and symptoms of child sexual abuse, and closely monitor children’s activities while online and off-line. Single-parent homes are especially vulnerable, as the parent is trying to fulfill the role of a two-parent home, usually having a full-time job and trying to run a household on their own.”
What Parents Can Do To Protect Children
“Good communication is the single most effective way of protecting children from becoming sexually victimized. Children need to be taught the proper and correct words for body parts, as well as the correct term “sexual abuse” otherwise, how will children know how to tell parents that they were sexually abused?”
“If you suspect or are told your child has been sexually abused, immediately contact Childhelp USA/IO National Child Abuse Hotline at 1-800-4-A-CHILD, or your local police department.”
http://www.suite101.com/content/the-profile-of-a-pedophile-a50767
Does anyone really know the truth of TMH “family” search ?
Who’s to say, she may have found “her birth” family but “they” may have not lived up to “her dream family”.
IMO just because we see no “search” conclusion in her FB postings etc, does not mean she did not find answers.
JMHO
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Justice23 says:
December 21, 2010 at 5:27 pm
evie says:
December 21, 2010 at 3:44 pm
RE: MockingbirdSings says: December 21, 2010 at 2:06 am
About the FBI profiler, I remembered it just the way you do… the profiler was to profile Kyron (it stuck w/me because I’d not heard of that before). I looked up the articles at the Oregonian for us and snipped a few from the very first days that explain it (and turn out some ‘new’ old info).
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@evie – thanks so much for finding that link. That was kind of you.
Post Script~
Wesley Allan Dodd would }} take advantage of a situation {{.
Let me repeat that: TAKE ADVANTAGE of a SITUATION.
“He looked for boys, he said, because “boys didn’t report me as often as girls.”
“According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, IIIR, which classifies and describes mental disorders, pedophilia is one of the behaviors associated with loners who have low self-esteem. They feel sexually inadequate, afraid to risk rejection by their peers. In avoiding mature relationships, they fail to mature themselves. Dodd has described himself as socially isolated, intimidated by girls. When others began dating and going to high school dances, Dodd stayed at home, thinking of ways to instigate sexual activity with children.”
“Like most child molesters, Dodd betrayed the trust of children who were close to him. Stranger abductions are usually a last resort. If a sexual predator has access to kids that know and trust him, he will take advantage of their trust. Dodd’s first victims were his own cousins. At 14 he molested his own 8-year-old cousin in a closet, her 6-year-old brother later that day, and another male cousin weeks later. Dodd later molested the kids of a woman his father was dating.”
“When children he had been molesting on a regular basis moved away, Dodd, now 18, and desperate for new victims, pursued kids he didn’t know. He realized that with children he didn’t know he could be more forceful. In one typical incident, he encountered a young boy, fishing alone in a wooded area. He asked the boy if he wanted to see something “really neat.” Once they were isolated, Dodd ordered the boy to undress, but fortunately for the child, they were interrupted by another group of kids. If he couldn’t find a child alone, he would approach a group of children and demand that one of them pull his pants down. Sometimes Dodd went out on bizarre “nude excursions,” rollicking at a children’s playground, naked, in the middle of the night.”
“Dodd was stationed at a submarine base in Bangor, Washington, and preyed on the children who lived on the base. He also made excursions to Seattle, where he accosted kids in movie theater bathrooms. Dodd began to use money as a lure, coaxing children into secluded areas to help him supposedly get something, then ordering the child to pull down his pants. He discovered that the arcade was a good place to find kids who wished they had more money, and gave them quarters for each of his demands. At one point he was arrested offering to pay some boys $50 each to go to a motel and play strip poker with him. But after he admitted to the police that he planned on molesting the boys, the charges were mysteriously dropped. Did the authorities think that admitting to something as depraved as this was punishment enough?”
“Dodd was free to seek out more “targets,” as he called kids. He would not let probation or warrants stop him. Every decision he made involved his access to children — he chose an apartment building with lots of kids, and took jobs at fast food restaurants, convenience stores, and charity truck routes, where he would pick up donations from houses.”
“A sexual predator/child molester is always alert and ready for any situation or possibility that may arise,” he said. “I started staying alert and watching for opportunities like that to occur again.” While on his truck route, he was invited into houses with children. Changing a baby’s diapers was enough to arouse Dodd to molestation. If he saw a kid he liked, he wrote down the address, with plans to return in his own car, hoping to catch the child alone. On his routes, he would make note of any isolated areas he encountered, and marked them on a map.”
“Dodd volunteered to baby-sit. He took a co-worker’s son on a fishing trip, as a birthday present, where he sexually abused him. He repeatedly molested a neighbor’s 2 and 4-year-old kids, but the mother didn’t want to traumatize the boys by pressing charges.”
“In 1986, at the age of 25, Dodd moved to Seattle. He felt “invincible,” having sexually assaulted at least 30 kids at this point. “Now, when I got to Seattle, I had learned I was less likely to be reported for a molestation than for an attempt. I decided that from now on I would be a little more forceful. I would no longer accept no as an answer to my requests,” he later wrote. He chose the most vulnerable children, including a roommate’s 2-year-old son who was partially deaf and could not yet talk. The boy resisted, and Dodd tied his hands with a bathrobe strap. “The idea of force was exciting,” he said.”
“Despite the ongoing counseling sessions, Dodd had no intention of controlling his pedophilic urges. In fact, Dodd began to fantasize about killing his victims. “The more I thought about it, the more exciting the idea of murder sounded. I planned many ways to kill a boy. Then I started thinking of torture, castration, and even cannibalism.” Although he claimed that he decided to murder to keep from going to jail, this is difficult to believe when we consider that he was hardly prosecuted for any of his crimes. Dodd would later rant about how easy it was to manipulate the justice system and stay on out of jail. The reason Dodd wanted to kill children was because he was a sexual sadist, stimulated by his control over their sufferings and death.”
“By his own admissions he is predatory and uncontrollable”
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/dodd/thirteen_2.html
Lee, 4 y/o Portland boy, was in a park w/ his older brother (IIRC his brother was 10 y/o @ time) — no adult supervision & the boys were not playing together; 2 young brothers in Vancouver park — alone/ no adult supervision; boy @ Camas movie theatre –(IIRC) alone/ no adult supervision.
Wesley Allan Dodd would LOOK & TAKE ADVANTAGE of ANY SITUATION.
*Above are an assortments of snippets from the truTV link. The site gives some insight into the “beginnings” & “growth” of a sexual predator.
This will & should scare anyone who thinks that “the last abduction/rape/murder by a predator” is “an isolated” incident. Because truly there are more … just waiting & unknown @ the time.
JMHO
PSS~
riverpearl says:
December 22, 2010 at 1:57 am
Post Script~
Wesley Allan Dodd would }} take advantage of a situation {{.
Let me repeat that: TAKE ADVANTAGE of a SITUATION.
My point–Kyron was an opportunity that presented a situation to take advantage of.
JMHO
Blink – statistically speaking –
It seems that we see stories or interviews by or about Kyron’s parents, fundraisers, T-shirt sales, reminders, etc., but very little about the reward money. Is a reward in a case of this kind likely to be of any help in finding the victim?
I realize that parents need to try everything they can – I would do the same and I certainly am not critical of those efforts. I’m just wondering whether any major breakthroughs in pedophile (abduction) cases have been attributed to the incentive of a reward. Should a lot more be said about the reward in this case?
If this seems too OT, that’s OK.
I would like the blow by blow of TH meeting the bus, and Kaine and Kiara bringing up the rear while TH is standing there talking to the bus driver..
B
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Blink does your comment here mean Kaine might not be completely truthful or is not correct about when he and Terri walked down to meet the school bus on June 4. See below Kaine answers question about meeting the school bus.
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Was Kaine waiting at the bus stop for Kyron to get off of the school bus?
Yes I was. I walked Kiara down to the bus stop about 3:35 with Terri following close after we left. We all arrived down at the bus stop together and waited as the bus came to the stop.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97904344.html
Following is an interesting answer about the DR.’s appointment
Was Kyron supposed to be out of school the following Friday for a doctor’s appt.?
There was some discussion about the appointment but it was unknown exactly when the appointment was scheduled so we cannot comment for certain.
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I would have thought he would have called to doctor and found out all about the appointment by July.
Story Published: Jul 6, 2010 at 5:15 PM PST
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97904344.html
Some safety tips to consider:
Parents should escort their children in public restrooms.
Children should not go to arcades unattended.
When children are home alone, they should learn to lock the doors and never tell anyone that they are home alone. They also need to know that they can call a neighbor if they are scared.
If a child gets lost in a public place, he or she should be taught to go to a checkout counter or office instead of wandering around looking for the parent.
Children should be taught to say “NO” to an adult who asks for “help.” If adults truly need help, they should ask another adult.
Under no circumstances should a child get into a car with someone they don’t know, or accept money, even if it’s for a “job” from a stranger.
The child should be prepared to kick and scream if a stranger grabs him or her, and yell “THIS IS NOT MY PARENT” loud and clear. Make a scene to get attention, even if it seems that no one else is around.
Blink.
Is there some reason the post of mine below didn’t make it?
Maybe just missed – but still says “awaiting moderation” although there are many others that posted just before mine and long after mine that did make it out of moderation.
Just wondering. Thanks.
Sammy says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
December 21, 2010 at 7:21 pm
Midwest Mom says:
December 21, 2010 at 6:38 pm
I would like the blow by blow of TH meeting the bus, and Kaine and Kiara bringing up the rear while TH is standing there talking to the bus driver..
B
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Not following you, you mean Kaine’s version?
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I’d be very interested in the BUS DRIVERS version.
Not just a commentary like – “I pulled the bus up. KH and TMH were standing there. No Kyron on the bus. Called the school.”
But more importantly …
what “vibes” did the bus driver pick-up on from TMH at the bus stop.
Was she already placing the blame with her ‘overly detailed yet missing too much important stuff’ alibi?
… “what do you mean he’s not on your bus. I left him at the school at exactly 9am this morning.
I have a receipt from F. Meyers at 9:12am. The school never called me.”
jan says:
December 22, 2010 at 12:28 am
(snip)
PLAIN SIGHT, BUT HIDDEN
Perp had a reason to be at the school. He took Ky in plain sight, lives in plain sight, drove off with Ky in plain sight and Ky is missing in plain sight.
The question (or riddle) is:
what is in PLAIN SIGHT, but HIDDEN?
Since perp was at the school before, someone knows and has seen him, maybe you.
He has molested children, hidden.
Could it happen again?
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@jan.
Wow!
Thanks for the ‘wake-up call’ of a post that you made.
Whoever was inside that school on June 4th and left with Kyron was able to do so without raising any suspicion?
Then either they are some invisible ghost or … this is someone that is KNOWN to people in the Skyline community and no one thought twice about them being there that day.
Where is the public anger?
Where is the investigative journalism in the Portaland area?
Is everyone just content that this is an “isolated incident”?
Kyron deserves more than the occasional fluff piece of journalism that I’ve read in the PDX press recently.
There is a man walking about free in Portland that is the alleged would be the hired trigger man for a failed MFH plot.
People are OK living next door or down the street from this guy?
Sheriff Staton TELLS US that there is more than just TMH involved in Kyron’s disappearance – she didn’t do this alone.
Where is the outrage to find this person(people)?
It’s way too quiet in Portland.
Bravo
@jan
It is time to take this abduction to a new level of thinking,
to riverpeal who said: “Hmmm….wondering if SZ has visited BoC, and somehow left no trace? I’m NOT suggesting, by the way, that any commenter here is SZ (gotta be careful what you say here!)….”
i must add, Let alone set up meetings with people that you have met here or any other web site!!!!
Blink I’ve got a question for ya….what are the chances of Houze hiring a PI? Do you think he already has?
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers, sister, friends and classmates.
Definitely.
B
Wonder who Terri left kyron with when she needed her ME time. Some reports say KH traveled a lot, some say he didn’t.
I would think she would need more than just the time Ky was in school to do the things she wanted to do. Who, what did she use for day-care, babysitting? Did she only use her mom, or the gym? I doubt it.
Lots of Moms trade play dates with other families, you watch my kid(s), and I’ll watch yours. Lots of times a classmate would ask my child to their house, and after a brief chat with the parent, off they go to be picked up in a few jours.
Add to that, Sleepovers, birthday parties, drop off centers for shopping, etc.
Any stay at home mom needs some time OFF, and it seems to me she may have needed more than most, and wouldn’t be as vigilant about it with Kyron as with Kitty.
Thinking back to all the people who EVER watched my kids, since all my family was out of state. (That being said, makes me remember that all my family as it turned out were not squeaky clean, and I wouldn’t have let them babysit, if they had offered).
My kids are grown, but when I look back over who I left my child and/ or children with years ago, not knowing what I know now………..OMG.
OMG…..
@13. Jan. Brilliant post. Excellent plea. Locals must be the ones to move the ball forward. Would they could yranfer recycling organization to this investigation, rathere than deferring to authority figures. If you find a way around the bureaucracy when going green, why not to explore avenues of abduction?
My only exception is your words “drove off.”. Maybe he didnt leave. My residential boiler has a plethora of gas flames. Goodness knows what a school boiler’s gas jets look like. But surely ashes can be examined forensically .. and the floor under the boiler was checked for ashes.
Also, whole SF attending community should be alert to names NOT on the list who nevertheless were spotted by someone attending, however briefly.
From the OregonLive article above…”The FBI also called in a Quantico, Va.-based profiler to develop a more complete portrait of Kyron…. ‘You are trying to find out everything you can,’ he said, adding that the FBI’s profile will go far beyond a physical description. He said the profiler wants to ‘find out what might make (the child) vulnerable to a predator’.”
This escaped me when it was originally published. Why would the FBI develop an in-depth victimology profile unless they were relatively certain that this was NOT an isolated incident? What am I missing?
Victimology as it relates to whether or not something is isolated is really 2 different issues. The answer to whether or not it is isolated MAY come out of that profile, but not necessarily.
B
Blink- I have two posts from yesterday afternoon still in moderation. Just wondering if you got them or they were too stupid to share? TIA.
Nope, your up, sorry for the delay.
B
Thinking about how to answer your question, however, can someone refresh me on the issue as to whether or not Kaine was scheduled to speak at the first and only press conf following Tony Young, or was that impromptive?
B
@.Saramom says:
December 21, 2010 at 7:55 pm
The following is my experience and my opinion:
I have had first hand experience with a pedophile. He lived across the street from me. He was married and he was raising his niece (who was my age at the time) and his nephew who was much younger. He held a middle-class management job. He was at all the neighborhood get-togethers. His wife was morbidly obese, probably three times his size. The neighbors thought highly of this couple because they had taken in these kids when their mom became too ill to raise them–she had psychological problems. He was white. He was creepy, but nothing that you could really put your finger on. He paid a lot of attention to all the kids in the neighborhood. Their house always had the curtains closed. The young boy was required to sleep in a crib even though he was too old for one–he was not allowed to get up without asking, and he was made to take lots of naps.
He began by doing things such as playing gas station with us while we were in the swimming pool–the water hose was the gas pump. He wanted to view our pee, etc. in the toilet. It escalated from here, and we were required to spank him with a newspaper after he was finished. He dead now. He died a miserable death according to the Priest who gave his eulogy.
I was vulnerable, just as Kyron was vulnerable. There was madness all around in Kyron’s world. Like attracts like, I think. Maybe this is how the vampire was invited in.
Pedophiles work and live among us all. I urge anyone local who reads here to listen to that still small voice that tells you something just isn’t right. I urge everyone else to please pay attention to what is going on in your child’s world.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^READ THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That breaks my ever-loving heart. On a lighter note, the eff-wad pedo that wrote the handbook we worked Amazon to yank, successfully, was arrested for writing it.
B
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Thank you for sharing your personal experienee with all of us. As a mom it is frustrating to know that there are so many sickos around. I have tried to get our local school in the Beaverton area that has a federal grant/afterschool program to offer a how to be safe to our kids.
I have taken my son to all the one-time free martial arts safety courses in the area. If I could afford martial arts, I would enroll him in those courses. Our budget can’t afford the $50 per week. Even the 1 hour courses have been valuable about what to do with strangers. It is still tough trying to explain to a 7 year old that not all people are nice. I know it is a continuing educational process of being safe.
Gone are the days when kids could walk to a friend’s house several blocks away or walk to the local 7/11 by themselves.
There is a poster on here, who a few months back shared something with me privately that haunts me to this day.
There is a man in her community that pled guilty to molesting 3 young children, over a period of years, got probation, and a conditional part of his probation was that he could not be near schools, pools, the usual.
If he had no incidents through his probation, he would not be required to register as a sex offender.
When her daughter was 18, she confided to her Mother (BOC poster) that she had been molested by this creep, and she begged her not do anything, which she really had no choice anyway because the statute of limitations had run out.
With this recent knowledge, this Mother sees aforementioned creep at the town pool, and now has young nieces and nephews coming to visit over the Summer and has been told by police, that there is absolutely nothing they can do about him.
She reached out to me for help. I was able to confirm her account, and spoke directly with police, and was refused a meeting with the DA who pled the case out.
Through some odd fluke, his docket was never filed in the clerks office, and therefore, was never filed.
Because I was able to secure a copy of the plea deal, with unredacted childrens names in it, I was told if I wrote a piece about it the person who gave it to me would be terminated at their job, and likely sued for harassment by the offender. Of course I would never have revealed a child’s name, but because it contained them and was provided to me, well, you get the jist-
This is an egregious example of how our legal community fails children horribly on occasion, and it can never be.
Not us, not our kids, not armed with the intelligence and media mechanisms available to us today.
How about an earmark for elementary safety education… hello?
Lastly, because you know I could never just let something like that go.. what did I do?
I called the owners of the town pool, and requested their insurance provider and bonds carrier.
Let’s just say if all else fails, call the underwriter
B
Blink – in that first press conference – from what I remember – Tony Young was nominated as the de facto spokesperson for all 4 of the parents and it was assumed it was because he was probably the most level and steady one of the 4 to give a practical and rational statement of their solidarity and support of one another. In hindsight, it sure is weird to go back and watch that press conference for sure. At the time – even though I picked up on the strange body language between Desiree and Terri – I was impressed that they all seemed to be on the same page even though they were in shock (or as in Terri’s case – acting).
I got the impression that Kaine decided on the spot to step up and speak after Tony’s strong plea for Kyron because he was just couldn’t help himself. Tony and Kaine’s heartfelt statements, Desiree’s body language when Terri hugged her, and Terri’s just plain bizarre behavior probably said more about what was going on in the dynamics of those parents than anything else in the entire 6 months of Kyron’s disappearance to me (and most everyone else).
What is odd to me is that Kaine was not yet suspicious of Terri’s involvement. I’d like to know exactly what/when that first little inkling was that started nagging at him? It had to have been before the failed poly’s and the questions from investigators…
jan says:
December 22, 2010 at 12:28 am
@ Blink,
“I stand for invasive investigation in this case and I say.. Hav at it.”
To numerous and thoughtful Blinkers, who’ve contributed to careful (sometimes dissenting) discussion including:
@ enumclawrose (many, thank you)
@ mockingbirdsings (ditto, thoughtful)
@ Kimberly (ditto)
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Kudos to all the above and all others….YES…shake things up….so much talent and energy here! So many places to dig and many feathers to ruffle…
I haven’t posted for a while, because of being busy, but also because I’m really just feeling in left field. Perhaps I might be the only one left, but I really, truly believe that this is a very simple matter.
I think it’s exactly what it appears to be. A stepmother who blamed Kyron for many things; including her marital difficulties. I think she resented him, as she only wanted a family with her children and Kaine. I think she wanted to send him back to Desiree and Kaine would not let it happen, which only fueled her resentment.
I think her son choosing to go live with other family, was the last straw.
I don’t think there’s any dark sinister plan, where he was abducted and sold as a sex slave. I don’t think it just happened that a predator showed up to the school that didn’t happen to have cameras, didn’t happen to call home to report missing students, and just happened to pick the one child whom the teacher thought had a Dr. appt. and wouldn’t be missed. And I don’t believe talk about a predator because as we’ve already established, the window of time was extremely small, and we could not have Kyron forceably abducted because someone would’ve seen this.
To me, there’s facts we know:
Terri disliked Kyron. Terri wrote nasty emails and complained about Kyron to her friends. Terri claimed Kyron had seizures no one else knew about. Terri claimed Kyron had an appt. that no one else knew about. Terri has 90 minutes of unaccounted for time. Terri’s friend DeeDee disappeared from her worksite without notice and has 3 hours of unaccounted for time. Terri and her friends got brand new phones.
Terri did have some kind of affair with Rudy Sanchez. Terri was also not afraid to call the police on him and threaten him. Therefore I don’t believe for a minute that Rudy is the bad guy and Terri the victim.
I don’t know what any of this stuff is about other missing children from a hispanic woman who may or may not be Rudy’s wife. I just think that, given the passing of time without much of any information, and Kyron still being missing, we all have to speculate. And while I think there are a lot of thoughts and some interesting ideas; I also think it’s just being made way more complicated than it really is.
I just don’t believe all these other side people are involved. I don’t know anything about this Sanchez-Sanchez guy, but perhaps he was a second landscaper she tried to hire to do what Rudy declined to do. Perhaps not. I don’t think this Elsy person is involved or that Rudy took Kyron out of revenge because his wife left him and took his kids.
I believe this abduction was planned and not a random, heat of the moment abduction by someone looking to get revenge (Rudy).
In my opinion, there is really only one person with motive, means and the opportunity to get to Kyron, and to get him out of the school without drawing a lot of attention. This person apparently has a history of bashing Kyron and she’s lied about her whereabouts on the day he disappeared.
Quite frankly, I believe Terri lured Kyron to the parking lot. I believe she and/or DeeDee abducted him from the scene. I believe she took the truck, not to hide from anyone, but because her Red Mustang would stick out like a sore thumb and someone would remember seeing a kid get into it, than a random white truck. I don’t know whether the point was to kill him, or to simply drug him and dump him off in the woods somewhere and hope no one found him.
Otherwise, I believe DeeDee could’ve been called in to help Terri clean up a mistake she made in the abduction. Perhaps she’d been drugging Kyron or drugged him that morning, and he died in a similar fashion to Caylee Anthony.
I hope this post isn’t offensive to anyone. It really is a group of nice, well-meaning people who care a lot about the disappearance of this precious little boy. I just personally believe it’s pretty straightforward “what you see is what you get” situation, and the speculation is just more than I can handle.
“I have to say, if anyone subscribes to occam’s razor it is me.
And if applied to this case, if we verify that Kyron was not abducted by his stepmom, then occam tells us this is an opportunist sexual predator abduction.”
I very respectfully disagree that Occam would subscribe to that statement. You are saying if we prove something is not or does not exist, then the conclusion is definitely something else. I can’t let these logical fallacies go by un-noted. I am sure you don’t want a wordy explanation from me and it will be much better explained by reading “Proving a negative” and “Evidence of absence” vs “Absence of Evidence.” The entire assertion is the epitome of the logical fallacy; “faulty dilemma.”
How could we possibly prove Kyron was not abducted by his stepmom? I know it would take an incredible amount of evidence to leave me without a doubt it did not occur in some way. If that incredible amount of evidence was available to me and I was absolutely certain Kyron was not abducted by his stepmom, I can see many alternatives, not just that a serial pedo abducted Kyron. There are gillions of alternatives which are as likely to be proved as a serial pedo theory.
I’m not meaning to be cranky, I love the discussion and moderation of this site! Just saying…… Obviously, I’m having a very hard time making this leap. It took me months and months to “unclear” TH. I could think of reasonable explanations for her every behavior while others immediately understood their poignance to her culpability. Finally, after months, behaviors which did not have reasonable explanations far outweighed those which did and I “understood” TH’s involvement in the abduction of her stepson, Kyron.
Blink, I wish I had your verification! Obviously, there are credible witnesses who saw TH leave the school building without Kyron and/or there are credible witnesses who saw Kyron inside/outside the building after TH left the building (or grounds?). (I did notice you said “building” in a comment) These facts do not lead me to conclude Kyron did not leave the school site with TH or that Kyron did not leave the school site with someone else in collusion with TH. I do not understand the why and how of these facts which point to the conclusion that an opportunistic serial pedophile was involved.
There’s some kind of sighting the police tried either to verify or rule out with the truck photos and request for everyone who parked in the south lot to report. If this sighting goes with the “profile” I need the police to come out and tell the public they are seeking evidence that Kyron was abducted by an opportunistic serial pedophile who may look like thus and so and drive a whatever. I need convincing they would keep this a secret for these six long months.
Jan says:
December 22, 2010 at 12:28 am
Excellent post, I’m not much of a math person, but get the point.
I also agree with your comment below, and has had me baffled many times in this case and has lead me to some of my theories
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If this were my child I would want the entire world searched, name by name, house by house, kid-interest by kid-interest, lot by lot, Facebook-page by Facebook-page, farm by farm, river by Island.
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To portlanders and skyline community,
NOTE:
“we” are not attacking your community, your community has “ALREADY” been attacked!
Start questioning the people who choose their reputations over finding Kyron, because behind those closed doors, may hide some answers.