Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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15.Saramom says:
December 21, 2010 at 7:55 pm
“I was vulnerable, just as Kyron was vulnerable. There was madness all around in Kyron’s world. Like attracts like, I think. Maybe this is how the vampire was invited in.”
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this is key to why Ky and not a different child … IMO
19.Cbickel says:
December 21, 2010 at 9:16 pm
Goodness…I just don’t know what to think any more. I still say the Skyline parents and parents in surrounding communities have a reason to be more than just a little concerned at this point.
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I so agree and am just shaking my head …
FLGirl says:
December 22, 2010 at 10:26 am
FLGirl – I’d be completely and totally inclined to feel the exact same way as you do about this case. When you strip away the fluff – and apply practical logic – what you stated is clearly the simplest path to what happened.
Except – Blink has stated with certainty that Kyron DID NOT leave Skyline with Terri.
Without that information – then I’d be on the same page with you. But with that information – it’s a game changer for me.
@44. My feeling at the time was it was a planned segue
47.JEN says:
December 22, 2010 at 9:32 am
Thinking about how to answer your question, however, can someone refresh me on the issue as to whether or not Kaine was scheduled to speak at the first and only press conf following Tony Young, or was that impromptive?
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wasn’t that the same press conference he booted
the oregonian out, saying something to the effect of he
had read the “rumors, or gossip” they were printing and didn’t
want it to go in that direction? I don’t have the link,
this is all just my somewhat recollection, I could be way off.
I think it is important to know who had access to the email in which TH expressed such disdain for Kyron–not only the original recipient, but also people close to this person (orig recip.) Talk about an open invitation to a pedophile…
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Also, I hope that the right people have interviewed the entire family regarding all the peeps that letsworktogether mentions above. I just don’t think any detail is too small to be overlooked. People don’t “know what they know.” Correct interviewing is essential.
Evie and other Portland posters,
I don’t FB, I was just following a link and gave my reaction. I am so sorry your beloved community is going through this. Please know that any community is vulnerable to this. This says nothing about your community other than somewhere, somehow the wrong person or persons live there.
I live near Tacoma, where Maurice Clemmons shot and killed four police officers while they were drinking coffee. Tragic does not begin to describe the community reaction. This guy should have been locked up, his mental evaluation supported this, but somehow he was out and to the detriment of the families of those and cops and his own family and himself, he did not get treated, or confined as was necessary given his mental state. Prior to Washington, he was lived Arkansas. Both states were vulnerable to this man.
This is about you and yours, but it could be about any of us. I do not know what happened here, but I am trying to understand, see the truth, that is all. I don’t want to upset you or anyone in Portland. You all know more than we do, and when I think about what you all have to say, it carries a lot of weight with me. On the flip side, sometimes people that are a little more removed can see things differently.
I wish you all love, peace and joy, now and always. I sincerely hope the truth of this comes out soon. If I am wrong about anything, if I hurt any one’s feelings, I am sorry.
evie says:
@enumclawrose & jan: The pastor’s photos are still available (please people, if you don’t know how to shut your own FB down all the way, find out.. don’t assume!).
I can not get on board with you about the creepiness factor of the photos, but if you must look…
Call me Cleopatra if you must (DeQueen of DeNile) but I got upset over the past couple of days with the insinuation that any community gathering must be a way in for sickos–I do so much community building stuff! I know you can all tell me so many facts, but I just had a hard time having that innocence taken away and being as cynical as may be required.
Thinking about how to answer your question, however, can someone refresh me on the issue as to whether or not Kaine was scheduled to speak at the first and only press conf following Tony Young, or was that impromptive?
B
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Hmmm…since KH was holding written notes at that press conference, I’m not sure why we would think it was an impromptu speech? Also, the LE introducing them said that Tony was giving “one of two messages” during the press conference. I assume the first was Tony’s and the second was Kaine’s?
What does stick out like a sore thumb in Kaine’s speech, though–and I know this has been discussed here before–is the odd reference to “bus drivers” (among others) being interviewed “multiple times.” Is this what you’re trying to call our attention to, B?
Blink obviously wasn’t the only one interested in that blow-by-blow. But, what does/can it tell us? We have no further information about it, so far as i know. What else could the bus driver tell us other than “Terri was acting funny” (indicating she was probably involved) or “Terri was horrified and freaked out” (indicating she was probably taken aback and not involved)?
But, we haven’t heard anything other than “bus drivers have been interviewed multiple times,” have we?
2.Midwest Mom says:
December 22, 2010 at 10:36 am
Jan says:
2.Midwest Mom says:
December 22, 2010 at 10:36 am
Jan says:
December 22, 2010 at 12:28 am
I also agree with your comment below, and has had me baffled many times in this case and has lead me to some of my theories
(Snipped)
If this were my child I would want the entire world searched, name by name, house by house, kid-interest by kid-interest, lot by lot, Facebook-page by Facebook-page, farm by farm, river by Island.
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If the SZ is a serial pedo … the liklihood is … he is gone.
If the SZ is a stranger abduction … he’s probably still local.
If he’s local, then all the area resources have been marshalled to find this guy.
If the guy is gone .. and I suspect he is .. then the playing field has expanded in size .. and it is out of the perview of the local sheriff’s team.
pdxgirl – you’re exactly right – Tony said he was asked to speak on behalf of the family and introduced Kaine as one of 2 messages. So that was the plan all along. Kaine’s message was very short compared to Tony’s. Thanks for clearing that up.
25.riverpearl says:
December 22, 2010 at 12:20 am
I, puzzled, am reposting and hoping you will re-read riverperl’s post on these two subjects. Both equally relevent to this case.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westley_Allan_Dodd
[Or google Dodd, you will find enough reading material to get a grasp of who he was]
I posted about him because if anyone would read just a little on him & saw some of his statements … you would see true evil. He is who I think when I hear “sexual predator. ***puzzled here … really critical to get the sense of such a character
AND
I also have asked people to look @ the Brooke Willberger case/ Corvalllis OR. The public NEVER knew of the investigation going on privately, no disclosure of evidence, no press releases etc UNTIL AFTER the perp had AGREED to a plea deal & he had disclosed her location. LE/DA announced the “solving” of Brooke’s disappearance/abduction, rape & murder & the conviction (plea bargain) of perp & w/i hours he was already on his way to start serving his life sentence in an Arizona prison (part of his plea deal was to serve out his sentence by family in Arizona IF he disclosed Brooke’s remains).
Study the the Brooke Willberger case/ Corvalllis OR and you will learn how a “primary”, after time, becomes secondary … not forgotten, never … but another event happens, pushing a previous primary down the scale of solvability.
FLGirl says:
December 22, 2010 at 10:26 am
In my opinion, there is really only one person with motive, means and the opportunity to get to Kyron, and to get him out of the school without drawing a lot of attention. This person apparently has a history of bashing Kyron and she’s lied about her whereabouts on the day he disappeared.
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Great post; I agree with everything you said.
It is a fact that pedophiles live among us, and that they strike. It is also a fact that far more children are murdered by their parents/stepparents than by pedophiles.
For one to believe Kyron was randomly abducted by a serial pedophile means TH (and/or associates) must be cleared by LE, and that her numerous suspect words/actions surrounding his disappearance were simply coincidence.
Staton said recently they have gone through the process of elimination as the investigation has ensued. With all the resources dedicated to this case, however, it appears that TH has still not been eliminated. Desiree states more confidently than ever she will be arrested and jailed.
enumclawrose says:
December 22, 2010 at 11:46 am
Evie and other Portland posters,
I don’t FB, I was just following a link and gave my reaction. I am so sorry your beloved community is going through this. Please know that any community is vulnerable to this. This says nothing about your community other than somewhere, somehow the wrong person or persons live there.
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Thank you enumclawrose. What a healing and beautiful post.
Looking at the list, I cannot see any man with minor children, in fact it doesn’t look like anyone came with more than one minor child. Of the people that came with one minor child, there MAY be one man that came without a wife, with a minor child. Does this mean that the man and two girls that TH said Ky was with was with other school age children? Where this story came from that caused TH to repeat it, can the person identify these girls? Can the person provide a description of the man? Is this the witness DY spoke of? Is this the man by the truck?
really really really good aerial view of skyline posted by Klass over on SM …
piece of cake for anyone to hide a child on campus @ 9am and bring him out to a white truck parked in the secluded U shaped area and head on out with the rest of the traffic leaving the school, without being noticed.
@Riverpearl
we all were here durning Wesley Allen Dodd
and afterward we promised to watch kids
where ever we went
to protect To report
but sad to say 17 years later I kind of forget
Thanks for the reminder
FLGirl – you believe KyH was “lured” out by TH. Yet Blink states emphatically she believes KyH did NOT leave with TH and that SZ (predator) is involved. Unless a witness was inside of the vehicle TH was driving, how can anyone state with certainty that KyH was not with her? If SZ predator is who lured KyH out of the school, then no child at that school is safe.
DY stated earlier that KyH saw it all and was involved – what did she mean by that? DY also stated that a very credible witness saw a man by (Kaine’s truck) in the parking lot and I think she mentioned KyH being spotted as well, further saying that there was no reason for KyH to be outside the school at that time. What time was that, do we know?
So, TH’s truck was moved during the science fair? Is it possible that KyH left on foot with another person and TH was just sitting on the side road watching the scene unfold as planned?
Would a serial predator abduct in broad daylight such as the school parking lot where the incidence of being seen is quite high?
It was reported that KH’s white truck was on the (access) road and that views of the truck would be obstructed from the school due to terrain. So, was KH’s white truck witnessed in both places – the parking lot and side road? If the truck was parked on the side road, it might have been easy for KyH, if directed to to do, to slip out a school side door, run down the hill and jump into the vehicle unnoticed. Possibly KyH was told this was a game, thus the CSI tee-shirt. He might have been told not to tell anyone, as predators often do.
PC – see below – LE asking for witnesses that saw KH truck from 815-845am and any witnesses that can identify person in/immediate proximity with the truck during that time. Show photographs of KH’s truck parked in two different locations. Did LE stage those photos after the fact, or were they taken from actual film?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLxcwjY8now
How did LE (place) KH’s truck on Germantown/Old Germantown Road between 1015-1030am on 6/4?
Someone recently posted a list of predatory characteristics, one of them being that predators often confine children to their rooms until given authorization to come out. We read this about KyH. Maybe TH is a sexual predator. We have read how she uses her prowess to get what she wants, and uses people for her needs. If so, she may have been connected to a ring of people with like ideas and therefore it would have been easy to find cohorts in crime. That would answer the question as to how other adults would assist in such a vile act. It would be interesting to know the true reason why her older son left or was sent away.
Here is link to first video of the family speaking; TY and KH.
http://videos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/family_of_missing_kyron_horman.html
FLGirl says:
December 22, 2010 at 10:26 am
I haven’t posted for a while, because of being busy, but also because I’m really just feeling in left field. Perhaps I might be the only one left, but I really, truly believe that this is a very simple matter.
I think it’s exactly what it appears to be. A stepmother who blamed Kyron for many things; including her marital difficulties. I think she resented him, as she only wanted a family with her children and Kaine. I think she wanted to send him back to Desiree and Kaine would not let it happen, which only fueled her resentment.
I think her son choosing to go live with other family, was the last straw.
I don’t think there’s any dark sinister plan, where he was abducted and sold as a sex slave. I don’t think it just happened that a predator showed up to the school that didn’t happen to have cameras, didn’t happen to call home to report missing students, and just happened to pick the one child whom the teacher thought had a Dr. appt. and wouldn’t be missed. And I don’t believe talk about a predator because as we’ve already established, the window of time was extremely small, and we could not have Kyron forceably abducted because someone would’ve seen this.
To me, there’s facts we know:
Terri disliked Kyron. Terri wrote nasty emails and complained about Kyron to her friends. Terri claimed Kyron had seizures no one else knew about. Terri claimed Kyron had an appt. that no one else knew about. Terri has 90 minutes of unaccounted for time. Terri’s friend DeeDee disappeared from her worksite without notice and has 3 hours of unaccounted for time. Terri and her friends got brand new phones.
Terri did have some kind of affair with Rudy Sanchez. Terri was also not afraid to call the police on him and threaten him. Therefore I don’t believe for a minute that Rudy is the bad guy and Terri the victim.
I don’t know what any of this stuff is about other missing children from a hispanic woman who may or may not be Rudy’s wife. I just think that, given the passing of time without much of any information, and Kyron still being missing, we all have to speculate. And while I think there are a lot of thoughts and some interesting ideas; I also think it’s just being made way more complicated than it really is.
I just don’t believe all these other side people are involved. I don’t know anything about this Sanchez-Sanchez guy, but perhaps he was a second landscaper she tried to hire to do what Rudy declined to do. Perhaps not. I don’t think this Elsy person is involved or that Rudy took Kyron out of revenge because his wife left him and took his kids.
I believe this abduction was planned and not a random, heat of the moment abduction by someone looking to get revenge (Rudy).
In my opinion, there is really only one person with motive, means and the opportunity to get to Kyron, and to get him out of the school without drawing a lot of attention. This person apparently has a history of bashing Kyron and she’s lied about her whereabouts on the day he disappeared.
Quite frankly, I believe Terri lured Kyron to the parking lot. I believe she and/or DeeDee abducted him from the scene. I believe she took the truck, not to hide from anyone, but because her Red Mustang would stick out like a sore thumb and someone would remember seeing a kid get into it, than a random white truck. I don’t know whether the point was to kill him, or to simply drug him and dump him off in the woods somewhere and hope no one found him.
Otherwise, I believe DeeDee could’ve been called in to help Terri clean up a mistake she made in the abduction. Perhaps she’d been drugging Kyron or drugged him that morning, and he died in a similar fashion to Caylee Anthony.
I hope this post isn’t offensive to anyone. It really is a group of nice, well-meaning people who care a lot about the disappearance of this precious little boy. I just personally believe it’s pretty straightforward “what you see is what you get” situation, and the speculation is just more than I can handle.
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BRAVO!!!!!
Blink,
On the MCSO website, they have Tonys statement in the press conference, NOT Kaine’s, the site states that it is not available. So either the transcriber did not get around to typing it or it was not a authorized statement by the sheriffs office. My opinion it is the second, it was not authorized.
A written statement made by Kryon’s father is not available for this release
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http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm
On Friday, June 11, 2010, the following statement was given by Kyron’s step-father at a 1:00 p.m. media briefing at the Brookhill Historical Church across from Skyline Elementary School.
A written statement made by Kryon’s father is not available for this release
“Hello, my name is Tony Young, and I am Kyron’s step-father. The family has asked me to speak on their behalf.
Kyron – we miss you. We love you. We want and need you home.
We are doing everything we can to work with law enforcement and the search and rescue crews to make sure you can get back to us as soon as possible.
We want to say how much we appreciate the outpouring of love and support – prayers and thoughts – as we wait for you. Your school friends and their families, the teachers and staff at your school, and the community as a whole have shown how much impact one little boy’s smile can have.
You mean everything to us, and until you come home, our family is not complete.
Please Kyron – keep up the hope. We believe in you and we know you will be back with us soon.”
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JEN says:
December 22, 2010 at 9:32 am
Thinking about how to answer your question, however, can someone refresh me on the issue as to whether or not Kaine was scheduled to speak at the first and only press conf following Tony Young, or was that impromptive?
B
Very good aerial photos of Skyline where you can see the relation to playground, soccer field, exits and the access road. Poster suggests that it would be easy for KyH to have been instructed to exit the white-framed door which leads down stairs to the access road, where the white truck was parked. He could have done this without being seen. Possibly KyH was led to the truck because it resembled his father’s truck and once there he was abducted.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8203.60
Backtracking…
Has a SZ theory been developed based in part on the content of the emails that were shown to DY?
It was only stated by DY that the emails revealed TH’s “severe hatred” of Kyron.
In a time frame after that interview when DY discussed the emails, the SZ focus seemed to take form with more confidence.
Was someone among all the emails — a recipient, a copier/forwarder, someone on an email string receiving multiple messages with a whole group of others — revealing a solid lead for LE?
The company we keep….including the people we email. Sexual predators among us, including our best friends who hear us whine about our unloved stepsons.
Did TH flap her lips to a male aquaintance who is a pedophile?
http://pdxmugshots.com/roseburg/mug/scott-robert-pearson
Is there any way to tell what this person was charged with on 7/9/10? It does not say on the website. Was looking at one of TMH’s pics and she has a friend with same first and last name – can’t see SP in her pic, but she had introduced Kiara to his son.
@Nancy says:
December 22, 2010 at 12:34 pm
@FLGirl says:
December 22, 2010 at 10:26 am
In my opinion, there is really only one person with motive, means and the opportunity to get to Kyron, and to get him out of the school without drawing a lot of attention. This person apparently has a history of bashing Kyron and she’s lied about her whereabouts on the day he disappeared.
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Great post; I agree with everything you said.
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I would agree also, except: Take TH and DDS out of the actual abduction and what scenario(s) do you come up with?
I’d like to be privvy to the LE’s list of folks who have been publicly cleared when they are finished with their investigation..then we’ll all be off to the races…again!
24.Midwest Mom says:
December 22, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Blink,
On the MCSO website, they have Tonys statement in the press conference, NOT Kaine’s, the site states that it is not available. So either the transcriber did not get around to typing it or it was not a authorized statement by the sheriffs office. My opinion it is the second, it was not authorized.
A written statement made by Kryon’s father is not available for this release
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So he went against what was recommended!
why?
OK please don’t through tomatoes at me,
and if I’m way off here, I shall accompany Puzzled on her walk of shame, maybe we could picnic. lol
Maybe, just maybe it wasn’t TH who let the vampire in???
@15. E-rose. At least 2 on The List were at home dads. I havent checked all the men. I think more likely it was not someone on the list who nevertheless was there briefly
“Yes I was. I walked Kiara down to the bus stop about 3:35 with Terri following close after we left. We all arrived down at the bus stop together and waited as the bus came to the stop.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/horman_family_answers
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So is he saying he started the journey to the bus stop @ 3:35
or they “arrived” there @ 3:35?
PPS lists his bus coming 5 min prior to that. I know it’s only a 5 min difference, but hey, 5 min is 5 min in a case like this.
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/depts-c/bus/index.php
Interesting review of TY statement on behalf of the family at the first PC.
Midwest Mom says:
December 22, 2010 at 1:23 pm
TY directs the entire statment to KyH and never once directs anything to anyone who might have information about KyH or his whereabouts. Strange.
@FLgirl & others of like mind: I agree. I think you’re right about everything else you say about TH & her actions/behaviors. I believe she’s a sociopath, I did not see “fear” all over her at the PC, I saw bad acting. I think she’s trash, and guilty as homemade sin. *BUT* if Kyron left w/someone other than TH (and Blink is certain this is the case) then there is still another guilty person out there. I feel your frustration, and there was a while when I wasn’t posting at all for the same reasons. But since Blink knows with certainty that someone else took Kyron, I think it’s critical to consider who that someone might be–if TH isn’t talking, then she’s not going to help find Kyron, and that’s why I’m willing to shake my head at some posts, and seriously consider other possibilities.
I believe that there is a link between TH and the abductor. I don’t think it’s a random abduction, I do think TH was in on it, and I think that the two white trucks were part of the “chaos” TH planned. Others here disagree, but I don’t believe that the coincidences and anomalies related to TH can be excused away, but if TH didn’t physically remove Kyron, someone else did w/THs help, and with 6 hours she bought for the perp (a him, per Blink) so there must be an overlooked link between TH & the other person. hopefully one that LE is in the process of identifying. If you read at Hinkymeter, Val has a different take entirely on the recent “list” request from LE.
That’s my long way of saying, your posts are missed, and I hope you’ll stick around because you’re quite insightful and I enjoy reading what you have to say.
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@CD Re: your post below, I think he probably did find out by July. My opinion, and something that was alluded to her thousands of comments ago, but I think that the doctor’s appt is probably info that LE doesn’t want released, hence the vague answer:
cd says:
December 22, 2010 at 2:18 am
Following is an interesting answer about the DR.’s appointment
Was Kyron supposed to be out of school the following Friday for a doctor’s appt.?
There was some discussion about the appointment but it was unknown exactly when the appointment was scheduled so we cannot comment for certain.
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I would have thought he would have called to doctor and found out all about the appointment by July.
Story Published: Jul 6, 2010 at 5:15 PM PST
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97904344.html
Do you think a man and two girls were there and not on the list???
27.Rose says:
December 22, 2010 at 1:48 pm
@15. E-rose. At least 2 on The List were at home dads. I havent checked all the men. I think more likely it was not someone on the list who nevertheless was there briefly
Ah-Ha,
I found the link I was referring to about Kaine’s press conference requirements. I was indeed wrong on the dates.
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/
Another sad example of “things are not always what they seem” as well as the importance of creating an atmosphere where children can report the unbelievable to adults and caregivers.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/12/21/haiti.abuse/index.html?iref=obnetwork.
I would like the blow by blow of TH meeting the bus, and Kaine and Kiara bringing up the rear while TH is standing there talking to the bus driver..
B
Yes I was. I walked Kiara down to the bus stop about 3:35 with Terri following close after we left. We all arrived down at the bus stop together and waited as the bus came to the stop.
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When Oprah ask Kaine about the look on TH’s face when Kyron was not on the bus think i remember Kaine saying that when he and TH met the bus he could not see TH’s face because she was behind him.
So is is possible that the bus drivers account of what happened and who was where when the bus arrived was different then Kaines statement below. I wonder what TH’s statement was about this.
SNIP
nora says:
December 22, 2010 at 1:14 pm
FLGirl says:
December 22, 2010 at 10:26 am
I haven’t posted for a while, because of being busy, but also because I’m really just feeling in left field. Perhaps I might be the only one left, but I really, truly believe that this is a very simple matter.
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Many here have or do feel the same way. Short of having the necessary evidence to indict, arrest or convict we continue on under the banner of “what if”….and ‘just in case’…Merry Christmas
LE currently believes more than one person is involved. Therefore, unless their belief changes (or TH is cleared) the possibility that someone else removed Kyron from the school does nothing to absolve her of potential involvement, in my opinion.
Agreed.
B
Blink do you think Kyron is in Arizona, or was on his way to Arizona?
No
B
29.Kimberly says:
December 22, 2010 at 1:45 pm
Maybe, just maybe it wasn’t TH who let the vampire in???
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so sorry to say, but it is another possibility
if I’m way off here, I shall accompany Puzzled on her walk of shame, maybe we could picnic. lol
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LOL
People- I live on Shame Way.
Teasing, no shame in trying to find out what happened to this baby.
B
Two comments re: the post below:
1. I think there might be other reasons why the statement was not on MCSO website. I don’t think it’s logical to assume that it’s only one of those two reasons stated and then jump to “not approved”. It’s hard to imagine that LE didn’t help draft & approve Kaine’s statement. I guess it’s possible, but since KH has done nothing except try to get his son back, it would be a leap for me to think that he wasn’t fully cooperating with LE a week after Kyron went missing. There were a number of LE agencies involved at that point, so I’d think every word was considered. I could be wrong.
2. If KH were the one who let the vampire in, then at least he is cooperating with LE in helping to find the vampire and Kyron. I believe it’s possible that this is someone KH might well know. However, I believe that if KH had not been cleared 100% by LE, he would not be privy to so much information from them. I fully believe that LE has a reason they’ve concentrated on TH, and many of the reasons, I don’t think the public knows yet. I think she had a hidden life, and unless it’s happened to you, it’s hard to imagine that it can really happen, but it can.
Kimberly says:
December 22, 2010 at 1:45 pm
24.Midwest Mom says:
December 22, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Blink,
On the MCSO website, they have Tonys statement in the press conference, NOT Kaine’s, the site states that it is not available. So either the transcriber did not get around to typing it or it was not a authorized statement by the sheriffs office. My opinion it is the second, it was not authorized.
A written statement made by Kryon’s father is not available for this release
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So he went against what was recommended!
why?
OK please don’t through tomatoes at me,
and if I’m way off here, I shall accompany Puzzled on her walk of shame, maybe we could picnic. lol
Maybe, just maybe it wasn’t TH who let the vampire in???
I’m not so sure if there was a serial pedophile loose in the neighborhood. fwiw
FL girl, and Nancy–If it happened as you say, (which makes sense, and she could have pulled it off that way) I mean, I cant think of anyone else who could have told Ky to sneak out a side or back door and run to the truck without being seen. Dont know what she may have said, but it doesnt matter now anyway. If, indeed, that is exactly what happened that morning, then the rest is history, isnt it? God bless Kaine & Kiara, and the Youngs this holiday season, and to all of you great thinking posters, as well.
Kimberly says:
December 22, 2010 at 1:48 pm
PPS lists his bus coming 5 min prior to that. I know it’s only a 5 min difference, but hey, 5 min is 5 min in a case like this.
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Does the PPS schedule list the bus arrival at 5 minutes prior, or did PPS state that the bus arrived 5 minutes prior at that particular bus stop on that particular day?
If it is the scheduled time, buses often don’t arrive on time; sometimes early, sometimes late.
Where the heck is beejay?! I hope she hasn’t gone rogue on us, lol.
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Help me out here, folks, because I am beyond concerned. IF there is even a remote chance that a SO took KyH, then how is it okay for LE to keep this information to themselves? That doesn’t make sense to me at all unless they KNOW WHO IT IS and are looking for this person, or they KNOW IT IS TH and are just building a case. Otherwise it isn’t possible to assume that other kids are safe, and the general public needs to be aware of this. I’m freaking scared and I want some answers! WTH is going on with LE on this case? Is this just going to have to happen again before any warning is put out?
Also, I get the impression from a Skyline resident I know that the people up there, for the most part, are not thinking about a SO in their midst. I understand that, because who wants to? But is it also because of what they have been told by LE? There are some folks up there that are offended by the Wall of Hope and think it is a negative, constant reminder like a plague on the area and detrimental to the kids. I really don’t know how open to a meeting some of these people would be. Any thoughts on this from other locals? My brain is fried along with my voice. Sigh…
enumclawrose says:
December 22, 2010 at 2:08 pm
At least 2 on The List were at home dads. I havent checked all the men. I think more likely it was not someone on the list who nevertheless was there briefly.
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Interesting. That could be one of the reasons LE put out this list again – to see if they could verify TH’s claims that after she left Kyron was seen with a man and two girls and, if so, who the man and two girls were.
@Midwest Mom
@Kimberly
I’m strolling thru the same neighborhood you are …
39.Cbickel says:
December 22, 2010 at 6:20 am
What are the chances of Houze hiring a PI?
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100%. Done within the first few days.
Yep.
B
riverpearl says:
December 22, 2010 at 12:20 am
“There was a case someone mentioned here a few months ago–also in the Pacific Northwest, I think–about a serial pedophile murderer who was eventually found because he attempted to abduct a boy from a movie theatre. The boy shouted and screamed and kicked…and why? Because his mother had told him that’s exactly what he should do in that scenario, following news reports of two other local boys having been murdered in a playground. The point is that the public knew what was going on, and parents warned their children.”
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I was no longer teaching in elementary school by the time this happened, but I had my own kids and still worked with children. There are times when something catches the public’s attention and actions are taken to help protect kids, then it seems we let it fade away. I hope this does not happen again this time, but I won’t be surprised if it does.
At that time, there was a study done (and I cannot remember where it came from) that showed that children can be told to yell and scream, but many will not – the lessons of respect for adults, don’t be too loud, etc., are very, very strong and children do not recognize the degree of danger. Just telling them is often not enough. They must practice. There were news reports of elementary classrooms going to the gym with a “stranger” to practice yelling and screaming. I don’t know who promoted this as an training exercise for kids, but I remember seeing it done.
Kids would line up on one side of the gym. The “stranger” (a man) would attempt to grab the first child in line who would be encouraged to yell, scream, kick if necessary to pull away, then run to the teacher(s) on the opposite side of the gym and say “Someone tried to grab me!” Everyone would cheer for the one who got away and the next turn would come up. Some kids could do it, but many had trouble and the last child was no more likely to find it easy to yell and scream than the first – they all had to practice.
My children were not in a class that did that, so I had them practice at home. It was hard because their father was strict about how “young ladies” should act in public and they couldn’t understand anyone would want to hurt them. But we did it.
Does anyone remember this program? It was so simple, and didn’t cost anything at all. Does anyone still do it?
The most recent related thing I’ve seen was the study that showed parents who had talked to their children and were confident the child knew not to go with a stranger were then encouraged to hide and watch (and filmed) and were shocked at how easy it was for a stranger to talk the child into helping find the puppy, etc.
Obviously, dangers come from many directions, but the confidence you give a child in dealing with any of those dangers is useful in many ways. The value of role playing with children is enormous, but I think parents and those who work with children often don’t want to have that visual experience to add to our fears or we assume all children learn by listening to our instructions. NEWS FLASH – they don’t.
I know you all have discussed this before, but I just keep going back to Dave Stensen. He changed his timeline about when he left Skyline http://www.katu.com/news/local/100663409.html#idc-cover, and finally ended up as late as 9 which is about when Kyron went missing. Why would he have changed his timeline? In the interview he did with KATU on August 13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIiDe5uib6c, it still seems odd to me with the repeat “that” and the “uh” and the odd bit of trying to explain why he would try to remember: “When I find out that that Kyron was ah missing that day you know I started to think, of course, like anybody would, well gee I was there that morning what did I see or was there anything that was out of the ordinary for me?”
So he drives a white truck, left from Skyline, in that white truck, just about when Kyron went missing. Then he goes to Mexico???
Did he come back from Mexico?
Why did the school bus driver stop if Kyron was not on board?
Was it because the driver saw the Hs standing at the drive?
Was this before or after dropping off TP up the road?
@Kimberly says:
December 22, 2010 at 1:48 pm
That schedule link is for 2010 and only lists TP’s pickup & drop, but last year’s is posted at this link: http://www.pps.k12.or.us/depts-c/bus/bus_out.php?school=SKY&upload_date=4/27/2010
I’ll tell you something funny though.. that schedule used to have 2 Sheltered Nook addresses on it; now it only has one (TP’s house).
This was posted 6/11 at WS:
“The questions about the bus stop are because it was reported that step mom and dad met the bus and talked to the bus driver and discovered he was not on it. People are wondering if the bus would even stop if he was not on it. If you look at the bus schedule I posted earlier, you can get an idea of where the bus stops. There is one other house on their road that it stops at.
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/depts-c/bus…date=4/27/2010
162xx NW SHELTERED NOOK RD 3:30 PM 146
15725 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD 3:31 PM 146 (Kyron’s house)”
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5280438&postcount=219
cd says:
December 22, 2010 at 2:23 pm
I would like the blow by blow of TH meeting the bus, and Kaine and Kiara bringing up the rear while TH is standing there talking to the bus driver..
B
Yes I was. I walked Kiara down to the bus stop about 3:35 with Terri following close after we left. We all arrived down at the bus stop together and waited as the bus came to the stop.
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When Oprah ask Kaine about the look on TH’s face when Kyron was not on the bus think i remember Kaine saying that when he and TH met the bus he could not see TH’s face because she was behind him.
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I could be wrong about this, but I thought the question that was asked (could have been a different interview, too) was how did Terri react to the news that Kyron was missing. Kaine said he took Kiara and quickly headed to the car and Terri was behind him so he didn’t see her face. It was such a short trip in the car to the school, that I doubt if much was said.
Now – I’m not sure if he said “car” or “truck”. I thought it was car. I will try to find that comment again.