Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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Blink,
re: FOUR HOURS
8:00 am and Noon – June 4, 2010
Rose says:
December 23, 2010 at 8:25 pm
@48 Jeff. …Between 9-10, even after 8:45 bell calling kids to classrooms, all visitors except those on chaperone list would/should be gone. Fewer eyes on kids; fewer to see Ky’s departure.
Left at the school at 9 should be PPS workers, bldg delivery persons, and chaperones assigned to a group
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@ Rose
Adding to your list:
SUBSTITUTE Teachers would also be at school at 9:00 AM. Were there subs that day?
Why did MSCO pick specific 4 hours for attendee list at school: between hours 8:00 AM- 12:00 Noon?
If Ky was noted absent from class at 10:00, what is significance of 10:00-12:00 hours?
What specifically draws the line at Noon?
Could Ky and perp have left school closer to noon?
re: PPS
Rose says:
December 23, 2010 at 7:45 pm
…no internal PPS investigation…PPS community stakeholders. … PPS is likely not doing a self-study because recommended improvements would haunt in a negligence action…PPS is best situated to find where all their current & former employees and subs were ..were I family, I would not leave it to PPS, but would write a letter to the Inspector General (for Count govt?) covering PPS and ask for thorough investigation…
I feel PPS has responsibilities to investigate separate from LE, because their countywide policies should be impacted to protect future kids.
Has PPS done any internal investigation at all?
Any close links between PPS and Mayor’s office?
MockingbirdSings says:
December 22, 2010 at 10:31 pm
PPS district IB administrator was at the SF (name on list)
@ Mockingbird,
Did PPS administrator receive an email invitation re: SF; who else on this list?
Agree “baby SF” unfair. Quote from CL poster words, btw.
Re: BUS DRIVERS – Plural
@ Lea Conner says:
December 22, 2010 at 5:26 pm
That law enforcement interviewed a bus driver (or bus drivers) “multiple times” suggests law enforcement believes that the bus driver(s) have information that would be helpful to the investigation.
Lea Conner says:
December 23, 2010 at 7:21 pm
why of all the professionals who have been interviewed, did Kaine Horman only thank the bus drivers?
The words “bus drivers” stand out in the sentence spoken by Mr. Horman: “I want to thank the community, the parents, the children, bus drivers…
Lea,
Who were morning bus driver(s), what time do they arrive, drop off, where is drop-off point, when do they depart, and in which direction?
Sounds like the morning bus fleet driver(s) saw something? Maybe observant kids on those same buses did too?
Re: SPECIAL EDUCATOR
Rose says:
December 21, 2010 at 2:28
pm
@ Rose,
Interesting posts, as always.
re: …FB’s 500 last names of skyline’s special educator–can someone here see what I overlooked?
…found his Calif license & track race list from race outside San Francisco … Moved to Oregon 3-4 yrs ago? Has local youth track club…Is NOT on list…Not to wrongfully bandy about names…
Not sure who special educator is, I’d be happy to take a gander? Send link!
Your TRACK mention had me think of this:
Sky auction last year had auction items to take children to the Portland RACETRACK for a “fun time” with an expert. Mr. Keefer was to take the children.
Did Ky go?
19.lyla says:
December 22, 2010 at 1:14 pm
Here is link to first video of the family speaking; TY and KH.
http://videos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/family_of_missing_kyron_horman.html
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Weird in a lot of ways.
Tony and Desiree clearly miss that little boy and have been blind sided by this.
@Addy
is Terri role playing?
I think she has role played most of her life grows bored
and reinvents a new role
if she is trying to play the wicked stepmom in this case
she hasn’t convinced me yet
Merry Christmas Kyron
Kimberly says: December 23, 2010 at 1:09 pm
“@Lea, Can you elaborate on this? I haven’t heard about this before? TIA”
Here you go:
“Sketch Released In Beaverton Park Sex Assault
POSTED: 4:37 pm PDT August 18, 2010
UPDATED: 4:49 pm PDT August 18, 2010
BEAVERTON, Ore. — Beaverton police released a sketch Wednesday of a man wanted in connection with a sexual assault involving a 13-year-old boy.Beaverton Police Department spokeswoman Pam Yazzolino said the assault happened while the boy was picking blackberries in Fanno Creek Park about 150 yards south of the Denny Road entrance.
The boy, and perhaps the attacker, was at the park between 11 a.m. and 2 p.m. Tuesday, Yazzolino said.
Officers said the boy ran home and told his mother, who notified police.
Police searched the area with a K-9 but were unable to find the attacker.
Police described the man as white, 50 to 60 years old, 6 feet 1 inch tall with average building and balding. He was last seen wearing a Hawaiian shirt with white flowers and leaves and mirrored metal-framed sunglasses.
Anyone with information is asked to call Detective Buelt at 503-526-2256.”
“Police: Boy, 13, Tells Mom Of Sex Assault
POSTED: 4:36 pm PDT August 17, 2010
UPDATED: 8:34 am PDT August 18, 2010
BEAVERTON, Ore. — A 13-year-old boy told his mother he was sexually assaulted by a man while picking berries in a Beaverton park, police said.
Beaverton Police Department spokeswoman Pam Yazzolino said officers received a call at about 2:30 p.m. Monday about a sex assault in Fanno Creek Park.
The boy reported he was approached by an older man, Yazzolino said, and was assaulted near the footpath south of Southwest Denny Road.
Officers said the boy ran home and told his mother, who notified police.
Police searched the area with a K-9 but were unable to find the attacker.
Officers described the man as white, about 50 to 60 years old with thinning white hair. He wore metal-rimmed sunglasses, a blue Hawaiian shirt with white flowers and leaves, faded blue jeans and brown lace-up boots, police said.
Anyone with information about the incident is asked to call the Beaverton Police Department at 503-629-0111.”
http://www.kptv.com/news/24666618/detail.html
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Blink, if not appropriate please don’t post.
Thank you very much for the info Lea.
To all, please read the above description of this person then go back and look at the list of persons on LE’s list regarding those present at the school on June 4th. Is there any male with a similar description that possibly raises a “red flag” to you? This person was at the school during the time period TH was there and I have brought up this person’s position several times and asked if anyone knew if TH knew him. I’m assuming Ky was familiar with him as he worked on the school property.
Kimberly says:
December 23, 2010 at 12:34 pm
At 3:30 p.m., Terri was waiting for Kyron at the bus stop. When Kyron did not get off the bus she asked the driver where he was and the bus driver said he had not gotten on the bus that day. In a panic, Terri runs home to call the school, who told her Kyron had been marked absent that day.
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/missing-child-alert-second-grader-kyron-horman-missing-from-school
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It appeared to me that this information was provided by Carol Moulton. It does not match what Kaine said.
I would like to wish all of you a happy holiday season. May you have a joyous time surrounded by the love of your family and friends.
My prayers go out to Kyron’s family and all the families of missing children around the world. I pray their family and friends will have the strength to wrap one another in hope and some measure of peace during this most difficult time.
Whaazupwitchu says:
December 23, 2010 at 11:51 am
@ Blink,
Do you believe SZ is still in Oregon?
Yes.
B
Wow! My logic would be to get the hell out, far away and I know this is not about logic. Is this SZ (who has some type of intelligence, obviously not the moral kind) partly wanting to gloat over a clever crime so he (and others similarly) stick around to “admire” what they have done?
Kozyotb says:
December 23, 2010 at 11:27 am
Possibly incarcerated/hold but lack of evidence or identification by witness(s)?
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These posts led to 3 thoughts – well, clusters of thoughts, then.
1 – If the person appears to be a stable member of the community and has resources here, he may not be able to pick up and move so easily. If he thinks he has gotten away with it, why not stay rather than attract suspicion by leaving town? A lot depends on who SZ is, of course.
BUT – perhaps it’s backwards (I seem to like thinking backwards these days) – maybe this person lives here with a normal life (one that doesn’t raise suspicions) and usually goes elsewhere for victims, then returns. Maybe his mistake will be that he broke his own rule and couldn’t resist this one victim right in his own neighborhood because it was just too easy. Maybe he has legitimate reasons to travel and has always kept his life here under strict control (and his family in the dark). If I knew who this person is, I’d try to look at every other place he has been in the last 10 to 20 years (depending on his age) and see if there are unsolved child abductions/murders, or attempts. It could, but doesn’t have to be frequent travel – maybe a yearly vacation – and it doesn’t have to be totally different places.
2 – If SZ is incarcerated for another crime now or held for some other purpose, I can see that as a reason LE would think Skyline is safe now, but that doesn’t fit with everything else I’m thinking about.
3 – If a witness saw and gave a description of someone who was not familiar to them, it could mean SZ was a stranger, or it could mean that the WITNESS was not around the school much OR was someone who did not work directly with many Skyline parents or regular volunteers (cafeteria worker, district representative, even a delivery person could see many people unfamiliar to them at the SF), and also that SZ could be an extended family member, divorced, godparent, etc.
As Graceinthehills said: “IMO, if any witness had given LE a clear physical description of Suspect Zero, and LE could not identify said suspect from the roster of known SF attendees that day, LE would have likely released an artist’s rendition of that physical description a long time ago.
Perhaps, LE is aware of the identity of Suspect Zero and just does not have enough evidence to make an arrest at this time. JMO.”
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Good point, Grace, as always. Additionally, a non-stranger SZ might have had a relative or other “witness” step up and disagree with the original witness.
IMO, a “smart” criminal would prefer to have his name ON the roster to legitimize himself as part of the families and other supporters of the SF rather than be seen and appear to be hiding that fact – unless, of course, he was an SO who wandered in off the forest trails, which seems highly unlikely to me since I think he would have been arrested by now, at least for coming into the school. MOO
This suspect zero thinks he is smarter than any mere LEO, he hides in plain site.
Blink,
For the long shot category:
Since there’s been talk of the CSI T-shirt, here’s a Tree Frog T shirt question:
Any idea of how Ky happened to get the Tree Frog idea for SF?
Could he / TH have bumped into folks at Tree Frog business nearby; perhaps connection planted a seed of interest?
Treefrog Custom Cabinetry LLC
735 S 25th Pl
Cornelius, OR 97113-7272
Tree Frog shirt is on ReKindle CYM pages, see 109 Summer 2010 photos:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=238063&id=153459089918
Tree Frog logo Shirt seen on back of J. Smuin
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=456767014918&set=a.455582109918.238063.153459089918
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=456767039918&set=a.455582109918.238063.153459089918&pid=6341087&id=153459089918
Tree Frog shirt Josh S. with 3 boys
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=456767204918&set=a.455582109918.238063.153459089918
Aside:
Must admit, electric Ice-cream maker drips looks like blood, first glance.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=456769199918&set=a.455582109918.238063.153459089918
Feel free to snip if this isn’t relevant.
BASEMENT LOCKERS
Who are all these Volunteers we’re letting into our Schools?
There were 125 Sunset Presbyterian Church volunteers at Skyline School in May.
One project had them working on “locker rooms” in basement of school.
Could someone have kept a locker key, then have hidden Ky in a locker, if even temporarily?
Who was in charge of the May locker project; which of the 125 SPC Volunteers worked in the basement of the school in May?
See: http://srnpdx.org/newsline-august-21-2010
Also
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=411942609133
5/2/10 Volunteer Update
by Sunset Presbyterian Church on Tuesday, April 13, 2010 at 2:14pm
After reading some posts here I decided to talk to my eight year old son about what to do ‘if’. It was a good dialogue and he asked good questions like, “What if it was a weak old man who needed help?”. I went on to describe how that weak old man might be pretending to be weak and old. I also told him I didn’t want him to worry or be scared but just know what to do if anything happened and that was my job because I’m his mom and I love him.
He’s just ready to fall asleep on the sofa next to me and he looks up and says, “Mommy, sometimes you love me so much you scare me.” He smiled and closed his eyes.
It’s a fine line. I really don’t want him to worry, but I do want him prepared. Being a mom is not easy.
Bless all of you Blinksters and may this weekend be filled with love and joy for each of you.
Kudos to you.
That said, it is not a fine line when dealing with predators who count on the kindness and innocence of our children. Make no mistake about it, they work at honing approach constantly.
Bottom line lesson for children: A stranger is someone whom your child, Mommy and Daddy do not know their name. If your young children are not turning to you to seek permission to respond to a stranger that engages them in some way, you need to work harder on the issue.
This however, can be a challenge, needs some honing, I admit my foibles in this area:
When Blinkette was 4, I had already begun teaching her the stranger danger lessons. When she was younger, what I call stroller age, people would come up to her and say “O my, what a beautiful little girl, such beautiful curls”, or whatever .
I would say ” It is ok even though we do not know (insert this lady or gentlemen) to say thank you” and then when they walked away I would do the:
“Yes, you are beautiful, but the best thing about you is how smart, and strong, and funny, and kind you are..” You know, the kind of things Mom’s who are not interested in seeing their baby girls on toddlers and tiaras would say.
One day, a very lovely older woman approached us while shopping and told Blinkette how lovely and well mannered she was, as she overheard her ask me about getting a snack.
Blinkette looked up at me for the “nod” of permission she could respond to this stranger. I gave it.
She replied:
“Thank you, yes, I am lovely, but the best thing about me is not that, it is how smart, and strong, and funny, and kind I am, even to my baby brother and that (redacted) boy in pre-k who never uses his napkin.”
The lesson about humility came next. Sigh.
Worth repeating IMO –
Nancy says:
December 22, 2010 at 4:31 pm
I was just thinking about Desiree mentioning Kyron being outside by Kaine’s truck (with possibly a man there), and why he shouldn’t have been outside in the first place.
TH said she left Kyron in the hallway going to his classroom at 9:00 (later changed to 8:45). Therefore it is unlikely he was spotted outside by Kaine’s truck (with another person) after she left – because she and the truck would have been gone by then.
I am assuming he had to have been seen near Kaine’s (or a similar truck) earlier in the morning.
Since Kyron was under TH’s watch earlier in the morning, therefore, he could not have gone outside unless she approved it. Even if she did, though, she claims to have connected with Kyron later in order to leave him in the hallway to his class. This means, according to TH, Kyron could not have been abducted at the time he was seen outside next to Kaine’s (or a look-alike) truck.
This spotting outside by the truck would have no bearing then unless Kyron was actually taken from the school earlier than the time TH claims to have waved goodbye to him in the hallway. She may have stayed at the school until 8:45-9:00 but I wonder when the last time was that anyone actually saw her and Kyron together that morning?
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@ Nancy – I wanted to include something about this in a previous post I did because it just didn’t make sense with the timing. You said it so well I wanted to cheer! Thanks.
I believe what Desiree said is something she got from LE, although maybe not the full story. It’s pretty clear when she has an opinion but she wouldn’t make up something like this as part of an opinion. Maybe Kyron then understood some things that had been happening around him that he hadn’t fully understood before. Maybe it was at that point that Terri realized (whether she was outside or not) she’d better leave quickly, and Kyron was sent back inside because someone saw him outside by the truck, and so that Terri could send him off to class. SZ may well have been the person at the truck AND the person later seen inside with Kyron, but it’s possible the descriptions varied or the person who saw the man and Kyron outside by Kaine’s truck didn’t have a clear view.
Perhaps this SZ (with Kyron twice) asked to talk to him to explain what he saw or heard outside and Kyron said OK. Maybe SZ even said he was undercover and asked his help in some detective work. I have thought many times that possibly Kyron’s desire to be a detective like Tony may have fit here somewhere by giving him a “mission” to overcome being timid and not taking risks. I have not wanted to bring up such a painful thought.
If Kyron knew the person, he may have wanted to believe what he said. If Kyron was “involved” and realized what he saw/heard, then it had to be something a 7 year old boy would recognize as wrong but would wait to tell rather than going straight to a teacher or principal OR something he knew Terri knew about, making it hard to know how to handle – and also something any witnesses would not recognize or report (did not appear threatening).
If Kyron “saw it all”, there must have been more than one person at, around, or in the truck, but I have not heard anyone say who else was there and apparently Desiree wasn’t expected to tell as much as she did. Whatever Kyron did see or hear at that time, he wasn’t considered a risk to go back into school, but could not be allowed to stay there.
So if any of this is true, then Terri also knew and was involved with it, unless it was not Kaine’s truck, Kyron was confused about it, and he stumbled on to something totally unrelated – that’s a real stretch for me.
I obviously don’t know what happened at the, or a similar, truck, however, I’m starting to think SZ was with Kyron twice.
“Was Kaine waiting at the bus stop for Kyron to get off of the school bus?
“Yes I was. I walked Kiara down to the bus stop about 3:35 with Terri following close after we left. We all arrived down at the bus stop together and waited as the bus came to the stop.”
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Ok so I have an observation. If Kaine and Kaira were meeting the bus then why did TH even go to the where the bus was.? I would not think that all three of them needed to meet the bus. Did TH go to the stop because that is what she usually did, or was there something she wanted to talk to the bus driver about. And if TH usually met the bus then why did Kaine go to meet KYs bus that day.
riverpearl you have posted that comment on:
22.riverpearl says:
December 22, 2010 at 12:20 am;
here is a context it was in:
“OK, this made me wonder if the part of the profile that was very “spot on” related to the masterful IT skills with no electronic footprint. That part of the profile stuck out in a “one of these things is not like the other” way for me.
Hmmm….wondering if SZ has visited BoC, and somehow left no trace? I’m NOT suggesting, by the way, that any commenter here is SZ (gotta be careful what you say here!)….just wondering if maybe Blink has some insider knowledge. Just a thought.”
i find it odd that you do not recall your own comment…
Blink and Blink Family I want to wish you a very Merry Christmas and a wonderful New Year! Thank you for all you have done for the missing and their loved ones past and present. Your mind, heart and generosity are truly a gift given all year round!
To my fellow Blinkers’ I wish you all the happiness in the world and peace be brought to you and your families at this time.
Now, eat way too much, relax, enjoy good fellowship, tell those dear to you just how much you love them and please never forget the Reason for the Season!
God Bless Us All today and forever!
Lea Conner says:
My understanding is that law enforcement has a description of the last person seen with Kyron. That person is a male that the witness had never seen before, and he was seen with Kyron inside the school and after Terri Horman had left.
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Okay now … this is just plain suspicious.
TH, with KyH, drives a white truck to school, parks in front and is there approx. 8:15 – 8:45 am. SZ, without KyH, drives a white truck to school, parks in back and is there approx by 8:15 am (??).
While TH is in the school with KyH, a unidentified male is seen in (?) around the Horman truck.
TH says good by to KyH approx 8:45 am and leaves the school. SZ takes possession of KyH within minutes of 8:45 am.
TH leaves school @ 8:45 and travels to first one FM and to another, and is known to be at the 2nd FM until 9:45 – 10:00 am.
Don’t know what SZ does between 8:45 – 9:45 when he leaves the school in a white truck, with KyH, unseen, at approx 9:45 -10:00 am.
Approx 9:45 – 10:00, both TH and SZ leave from their respective locations and disappear off the radar screen. TH resurfaces approx 11:30.
Kimberly says: December 23, 2010 at 1:09 pm
“@Lea, Can you elaborate on this? I haven’t heard about this before? TIA”
Here you go:
“Sketch Released In Beaverton Park Sex Assault
POSTED: 4:37 pm PDT August 18, 2010
UPDATED: 4:49 pm PDT August 18, 2010
BEAVERTON, Ore. — Beaverton police released a sketch Wednesday of a man wanted in connection with a sexual assault involving a 13-year-old boy.
http://www.kptv.com/news/24666618/detail.html
I am the one that posted this article in August. To my knowledge this man has never been found. It still bugs the crap out of me. I called a tip in to the Beaverton police as I thought this suspect resembled another sex assault suspect that was arrested in another part of Oregon. I don’t have a link because this was B4 my computer crashed but I will keep looking. Here is the BPD link with a sketch of the Beaverton assault suspect:
Beaverton police link with sketch of suspect:
http://beavertonpolice.org/publications/press2010/Updategpsa.pdf
What about this recent Hillsboro A-Hole? Doesn’t he look like the suspect in the above story?
http://www.kptv.com/news/26047286/detail.html
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neighbor says:
December 23, 2010 at 12:25 pm
Since I have not seen an answer, let me reiterate this question:
“Have locals satisfied in their minds—said to have been ID’d as a parent. Is Mystery Man on the list?” (@Rose)
“Who is the Mystery Man in corner of SF photo?” (@jan on December 22, 2010 at 10:38 pm)
I have heard this time and time again, from people alleging to be parents of kids at skyline that this person has been Id’d and they have kidded him about it, etc.
Really? Since everyone’s name has been made public, why can’t any of those confirming him say who he is?
B
Great question…anyone know?
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Kimberly says:
December 22, 2010 at 3:57 pm
@ Blink,
Do you believe SZ is still in Oregon?
Yes.
B
If Blink is correct then IMHO there is a high probability that SZ lives in the Portland area and will offend again. It’s even conceivable to me that this SZ has been molesting other children that are afraid or ashamed to tell.
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@Nancy
@Rose
@neighbor
@Skyline parent
@ Any other Skyline locals –
My attempt to instigate a meeting of the SF attendees and Skyline community members has failed. The person I know has no connection to the school at all, and has not heard any discussion of KyH in several months now. It seems that parents, students, staff, et al are keeping a tight lip on the whole thing. I gave it my best shot and am sorry it didn’t come to fruition. I encourage you to see what you can do to arrange for this meeting and discussion as per Blink’s recommendation.
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Another FWIW that I found on the Beaverton most wanted list:
http://beavertonpolice.org/crime/mostwanted.aspx
Fermin Aguilar-Sanchez
DOB: 07/07/1978
HT: 5’9″ WT: 175
HAIR: Black
EYES: Brown
Warrant: CAUTION
Sex Assault
Fail to Register as a Sex Offender
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I must agree that it is very likely SZ popped into the school for a very short time and is not on the List, and for some reason is someone that did not raise suspicion among the staff, students and parents at the SF that morning. Further, I really feel this was someone that KyH knew in some way, and KyH trusted enough to exit the building with him. So WHO COULD THAT BE?! A teacher, preacher, pastor, PPS employee, mailman, landscaper, parent, relative, neighbor, WHO? WHO? WHO? IMHO this SZ may be right under your/our noses and we must collectively THINK, THINK, THINK!
Also, how many of you have names and phone numbers of LE personnel that have worked/are working on this case? Call these people and nag them to death. Call PPS and nag them to death. Call or email the media and express your fears and frustrations, get it in the paper and/or on the news. There is no gag order on the media and IMHO this case desperately needs aother boost right now. I really think you guys need to start raising some serious HELL over there to get some answers and call attention to this case again. I’m trying to do the same, but since I have direct affiliation with that area it is difficult to get any response.
All just IMOO here. I’m really frustrated and sad on this Christmas Eve without Kyron. Remember when John Walsh said the media would solve this case? Well, maybe the media AND the locals will solve this case. I sure hope so, and will continue to do whatever I can to help. Godspeed, sweet little Kyron.
Happy Holidays to all, I wish you peace and joy.
Oops-should say “I have no direct affiliation”.
@MockingbirdSings says:
Perhaps this SZ (with Kyron twice) asked to talk to him to explain what he saw or heard outside and Kyron said OK. Maybe SZ even said he was undercover and asked his help in some detective work. I have thought many times that possibly Kyron’s desire to be a detective like Tony may have fit here somewhere by giving him a “mission” to overcome being timid and not taking risks. I have not wanted to bring up such a painful thought.
If Kyron knew the person, he may have wanted to believe what he said. If Kyron was “involved” and realized what he saw/heard, then it had to be something a 7 year old boy would recognize as wrong but would wait to tell rather than going straight to a teacher or principal OR something he knew Terri knew about, making it hard to know how to handle – and also something any witnesses would not recognize or report (did not appear threatening).
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MockingbirdSings, I’m lifting your thoughts because I’m not convinced of the pedophile angle. KyH has a bonded relationship with his father and step-father and two older brothers. I don’t see him as a candidate for grooming.
So maybe there’s another reason why KyH.
I’m also thinking same guy ?? vs two guys ?? … what about one guy with altered appearance … with facial hair vs without facial hair … and cap, always a cap … There’s a reason why SZ has not been identified.
I’m still thinking of white truck in back and car in side driveway angle = two people … one inside and one outside
The man in the Beaverton sex assault photos looks like Stensen, the GK.
I cannot have you make the comparison in your post- it is nothing short of an accusation, and unless you have evidence to back it up, is inappropriate.
B
Please take a careful look at GK profile picture on FB and tell me what you see.
Lots of people look alike, that does not give us the right to speculate they are the subject of a sex assault investigation or sketch.
B
Apologies to all for the comparison but what I don’t understand is, Blink… why would you keep the post up if it’s inappropriate? I graciously retract.
I redacted it, obviously, and this is a news site not a forum.
I try to maintain as much transparency as possible given the subject matter.
B
Again I apologize and I mean this will all due sincerity, Blink – there are speculations, assumptions and comparisons on this site… all day long. I seem to have hit a nerve about this person in particular. How is speculating whether someone is subject of a sex assult investigation any different than speculating whether someone “removed” KyH, was involved in his disappearance, or worse?
I don’t see the difference. I do not mean to be argumentative, it’s just confusing. Thank you
Grrr..I am getting p**ed at his ZS and his horrible antics. Is this part also a game to him, try to stump/trump LE? Smart people do try to be tricky, we all know lawyers do, but we got a whole team here, FBI, etc. Prayers for them!
You would be surprised at how many adults can’t say “no” to someone even after having experienced terrible consequences. But after the consequences (and people like me trying to beat it in their heads) they do get better at this. So despite talks and everything, some kids are still quite likely to be people pleasers. Women need to be ladies! not when there is danger!!! I talk with girls and women about bringing out their inner bitch where there is any question of safety.
@Jden says:
December 24, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Apologies to all for the comparison but what I don’t understand is, Blink… why would you keep the post up if it’s inappropriate? I graciously retract.
I redacted it, obviously, and this is a news site not a forum.
I try to maintain as much transparency as possible given the subject matter.
B
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LE has not publicly named a suspect(s) nor have they publicly cleared any suspect(s). I have to assume as their investigation develops new leads, there will be folks on their list (either at the school or not at the school) who will be interviewed and reinterviewed. Hopefully, in the next few months we will learn who they have cleared and put some of these issues at rest.
@Idahogal writes on December 24, 2010 at 10:03 am
@Nancy, @Rose, @neighbor, @Skyline parent, @ Any other Skyline locals –
.. I encourage you to see what you can do to arrange for this meeting and discussion as per Blink’s recommendation. ..
I would be interested, but we should be careful sharing the meeting time/place.
And yes, if there is a description of SZ, I think MCSO should get the word out ASAP. As my boy would say “I am going to be mad as a hornet”, if I find that he served as bait to catch SZ.
46.MockingbirdSings says:
December 24, 2010 at 12:53 am
It appeared to me that this information was provided by Carol Moulton. It does not match what Kaine said.
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Its hard to say where the writer (listed at the top of the web page)
received her information, the only thing I did see was at the bottom of the article a reference to “Koin”, (it’s a local news channel here)
I agree with you that it does not match what Kaine said.
I’m in the opinion there are alot of inconsistencies by both parties.
Another thing about TH’s email of June 5. She explains in great detail when she left Kyron, where she left him, her trips to FM, her receipt, riding around, going to the gym, etc., along with “kids” seeing Kyron after she left, and the “male” chaperone with two girls.
However, there is not one mention of who she saw or saw her with Kyron at the school in the general time period she says she left him. If the purpose of her email was to verify her alibi, why no mention of the person(s) who could easily back it up? After all, it’s a small school and the parents know one another.
Where, in the school, were TH and Kyron in the time before she supposedly dropped him off? Why did TH name no one she passed who can verify she and Kyron were together, either at the time she says she dropped him off, shortly before or shortly after?
That would be one strange coincidence if no one saw TH and Kyron together, considering there would have been much movement of parents/students during that time frame.
I hope LE has interviewed all the attendees to see what part of the school they were at and when, to see if anyone saw TH with Kyron at the times/places she claims to have been.
45.lyla says:
December 24, 2010 at 12:48 am
To all, please read the above description of this person then go back and look at the list of persons on LE’s list regarding those present at the school on June 4th. Is there any male with a similar description that possibly raises a “red flag” to you? This person was at the school during the time period TH was there and I have brought up this person’s position several times and asked if anyone knew if TH knew him. I’m assuming Ky was familiar with him as he worked on the school property.
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Who are you talking about?
Does SZ read or post here?
Good question a few pages back a poster attacked Blink on how
she runs this site
there is no reason to go on a blog and do that
as there are blogs of all kinds for everyone
it made me pause and wonder
@ Blink,
This suspect zero thinks he is smarter than any mere LEO, he hides in plain site
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Is it fair to assume he continues on with Activities of Daily living?
ie, working daily, grocery shopping etc?
Last night for some reason I thought of Desiree
and what a hard life she has had the past years
sharing her sweet son
now this
Christmas Prayers for Desiree
Idahogal says:
December 24, 2010 at 10:03 am
(snip)
My attempt to instigate a meeting of the SF attendees and Skyline community members has failed. The person I know has no connection to the school at all, and has not heard any discussion of KyH in several months now. It seems that parents, students, staff, et al are keeping a tight lip on the whole thing. I gave it my best shot and am sorry it didn’t come to fruition. I encourage you to see what you can do to arrange for this meeting and discussion as per Blink’s recommendation.
Also, how many of you have names and phone numbers of LE personnel that have worked/are working on this case? Call these people and nag them to death. Call PPS and nag them to death. Call or email the media and express your fears and frustrations, get it in the paper and/or on the news. There is no gag order on the media and IMHO this case desperately needs aother boost right now. I really think you guys need to start raising some serious HELL over there to get some answers and call attention to this case again. I’m trying to do the same, but since I have direct affiliation with that area it is difficult to get any response.
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@Idahogal.
Bless you for trying.
I don’t get it.
I know there are many fine people working their butts off trying to find Kyron.
But I also see what appears to be a “closed community” of sorts in the Skyline area.
Are the people there really that sure that whoever removed Kyron from school is not going to do the same again to another child?
Have LE given parents a guarantee that Kyron being disappeared was a “one time + family related incident” so that they have absolutely nothing to worry about?
Has LE instructed Skyline community members NOT to speak to anyone?
Because if I lived there … unless LE told me that they know who took Kyron and they are watching him – I would be nagging PPS and LE and anyone else I could think of DAILY.
From what we who don’t live in the area see …
LE has said that at least one other person is involved in Kyron’s disappearance.
That person is walking your streets today!
LE has said that there was a failed MFH in that area too.
That person is walking your streets today!
That means there is at least one, probably 2 people in THE AREA that are walking the streets that are capable of child abduction and willing to commit murder.
Why is it so quiet in Portland?????
Where is the media … where is investigative journalism?
The latest we have is that fluff re-cap piece by Maxine Bernstein.
I do not understand the silence.
There has been alot of discussion regarding issues we’ve discussed in the past and I thought it might be helpful for others who have questions that maybe “old news” (sorry, but for lack of better wording at the moment) for some, yet new information to others, help answer their questions.
Here are a few links for ya:
Portland, OR- Please Welcome Again blinkoncrime.com Contributing Editor And Legal Analyst, Washington Family Law Attorney, Lea Conner.
http://blinkoncrime.com/category/kyron-horman/terri-horman/
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http://blinkoncrime.com/category/kyron-horman/terri-horman/page/3/
@Blink
for a dummy like me would you explain the difference between
a forum-blog-news site
Thanks much
So if the SZ is hiding in plain sight, wouldn’t a sketch help? Unless he was wearing a disguise at the time, or is able to disguise himself now. But wouldn’t someone recognize him either way? This isn’t making sense, and yet, I’m pretty sure, Blink, that you aren’t just throwing this out there without knowing, so I’m trying to make sense of it.
RE: 2.jan says:
December 24, 2010 at 2:28 am
Tree Frog shirt Josh S. with 3 boys
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=456767204918&set=a.455582109918.238063.153459089918
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FWIW – The boy on the right in this photo is Kessinger friend of KyH from school. I have a really bad, hinky feeling about this Youth Ministry organization. Just IMHO, a weird gut feeling that something is not right there.
Prayers for the family & friends of Kyron and for all the missing! I pray for knowledge, closure, peace for these families; and a chance to mend their broken heart.
Blessing to everyone this holiday season.
MockingbirdSings says:
December 24, 2010 at 12:53 am
Kimberly says:
December 23, 2010 at 12:34 pm
At 3:30 p.m., Terri was waiting for Kyron at the bus stop. When Kyron did not get off the bus she asked the driver where he was and the bus driver said he had not gotten on the bus that day. In a panic, Terri runs home to call the school, who told her Kyron had been marked absent that day.
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/missing-child-alert-second-grader-kyron-horman-missing-from-school
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It appeared to me that this information was provided by Carol Moulton. It does not match what Kaine said.
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@MBS – IMHO another example of a lie TH told her mother. Why did she feel it necessary to lie about this? Does she just lie so habitually that it is just a reflex to make herself look good?
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This suspect zero thinks he is smarter than any mere LEO, he hides in plain site.
B
Well there you go. Right under our collective local noses somewhere.
Blink, I’m hoping that you have a specific person in mind that you have shared with LE. That would be great. I’m about ready to visit a certain pumpkin patch and attend services over at a certain church.
Just got back from Portland, where my entire trip was seen through a “Kyron lens”. Here’s what I learned, FWIW: First and I just have to mention this although off topic. it’s REALLY chilly and guys wear shorts even in the freezing rain and people barely wear jackets. Go figure… My ever patient DH drove us to Skyline School, where we walked around for a few minutes (it was REALLY cold!). What struck me is how open it is – up high on the hill – with exquisite views in every direction for miles. Farmland and forest. Beautiful, sad for me and a bit Twin Peak-ish. The two school parking lots were quite small, not too many spaces. There is a front main entrance, an entrance on each side and two entrances in back. Additionally, there was a door on each side that had no outside latch and appeared to only open from the inside. One was to a janitor or boiler type room and I don’t know about the other, but it was down about six stairs and still visible from above. I walked around thinking that I cannot imagine how any person could sneak out, it’s all so open, although I know anything is possible. I learned how much I love and value my family in OR, especially all the nieces and nephews my daughter only gets to see once in a while. We went to all sorts of kid friendly places and what struck me is how totally easy it would be to nab a child from many of the venues we visited. How about a nickel arcade?? Kinda dark and crawling with kids. Everyone buys bags of nickels and parents get caught up in their own nickel games and don’t watch their kids, even the littlest ones wander around. I did little but traipse around, trying to keep tabs on five young kids. How easy it would be to … sigh… My point is that there are many venues where it would be way easy to disappear a child. Why an open school crawling with community and familiar faces?? It would have to be extremely well planned and coordinated imo. Lastly, and sorry for being verbose, I was stunned at how every few miles a sign appeared atop a building advertising an “Adult Shop”. They were everywhere! Seriously, there is WAY too much porn in Oregon and I have minus sub SoCal standards (lol)!! I shudder to think what perverse paraphilia lurks under the counters and in the back rooms. What’s up with that? (Why don’t Oregonians legislate it away like they did in WA?) So, for me, whoever took Ky, I think it had to have been teamwork and exceedingly well timed by an insider who knew all the ins and outs of the school and the timing of the Science Fair. A blessed Christmas to all and peace and resolution to Ky and his loving parents.
RE: Pastor Strobel- I know him from Boise, IMO he is not a POI. My gut feeling was due to the familiar name, LOL.
neighbor says:
December 24, 2010 at 1:46 pm
I would be interested, but we should be careful sharing the meeting time/place.
And yes, if there is a description of SZ, I think MCSO should get the word out ASAP. As my boy would say “I am going to be mad as a hornet”, if I find that he served as bait to catch SZ.
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Bravo neighbor!
Totally agree that I’d be mad as a hornet if I found out that any child was being used as bait to catch SZ.
If it’s true that LE has this description of SZ they should get that out to the public STAT.
WTH? I don’t understand them not releasing that info to the public.
In reading the many comments on the last person to have been seen with KyH and TH’s emails of KyH being seen with a male chaparone … this could have been what was told to her by LE and was questioned whether or not she knew the “chaparone”.
33.Nancy says:
December 24, 2010 at 2:03 pm
(snipped)
Where, in the school, were TH and Kyron in the time before she supposedly dropped him off? Why did TH name no one she passed who can verify she and Kyron were together, either at the time she says she dropped him off, shortly before or shortly after?
Gina Zimmerman talked to TH and KyH at the SF about T-shirt orders. She told this to Kate Snow in the last Dateline special. I’m sure there are others that saw them together and we are not privy to that information. Just IMHO.
Blink…can you make a small revision on my poem. The last line should say Your Mommy’s heart is broken and needs you home! …if not can you delete my post and post this correction instead. THANK YOU!
My Christmas poem to Kyron
A goofy smile
A red tree frog
A rural school high above the mountains
Quirky little boy who many never knew before
Unique face that many people long to see
A mother whose heart is shattered
A dad who walks like a prisoner of pain
A fence of love and hope await you
Oh where are you sweet Kyron
Not a day goes by that I don’t think about you
No first day of school jitters
No Red, white and blue and firecrackers this year
No pumpkin patch fun at Roloff Farms
No classroom holiday parties last week
Another holiday come and gone
I pray and wait for a miracle
Your Mommy’s heart is broken and needs you home!
Kimberly says:
December 24, 2010 at 2:06 pm
45.lyla says:
December 24, 2010 at 12:48 am
To all, please read the above description of this person then go back and look at the list of persons on LE’s list regarding those present at the school on June 4th. Is there any male with a similar description that possibly raises a “red flag” to you? This person was at the school during the time period TH was there and I have brought up this person’s position several times and asked if anyone knew if TH knew him. I’m assuming Ky was familiar with him as he worked on the school property.
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Who are you talking about?
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Refer back to post #20
familythx says:
December 24, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Just got back from Portland, where my entire trip was seen through a “Kyron lens”. Here’s what I learned, FWIW: First and I just have to mention this although off topic. it’s REALLY chilly and guys wear shorts even in the freezing rain and people barely wear jackets. Go figure…
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Native Portlanders don’t use umbrellas either, LOL!
familythx says:
So, for me, whoever took Ky, I think it had to have been teamwork and exceedingly well timed by an insider who knew all the ins and outs of the school and the timing of the Science Fair. A blessed Christmas to all and peace and resolution to Ky and his loving parents.
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Thank you for sharing your take after visiting the school first hand. Merry Christmas to you and yours.
My sincere wishes for Peace to all of you here who are celebrating this Holiday season.
And for our beloved boy Ky, “Sleep in Heavenly Peace”.
neighbor says:
December 24, 2010 at 1:46 pm
@Idahogal writes on December 24, 2010 at 10:03 am
@Nancy, @Rose, @neighbor, @Skyline parent, @ Any other Skyline locals –
.. I encourage you to see what you can do to arrange for this meeting and discussion as per Blink’s recommendation. ..
I would be interested, but we should be careful sharing the meeting time/place.
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In a meeting like this, how would it be handled if people start to get suspicious of someone who is there – perhaps SZ and/or wife or relative or accomplice who try to deny what is said or who seems unusually quiet? What if someone came just to see who knew what?
I can think of a lot of questions to be answered in setting up a meeting like this.
Also – a man with 2 girls doesn’t necessarily mean they were both his children. Maybe it was 1 girl and 1 student friend, or an uncle with a different last name, etc., and wouldn’t show up easily on the list. IF somebody really did tell Terri that, you’d think she would have asked who it was, so the person who told her must not have known, but did know Terri – and certainly should have told LE what they saw. I’m sort of 50/50 on whether this is true.
@Lea,
“Who were morning bus driver(s), what time do they arrive, drop off, where is drop-off point, when do they depart, and in which direction?
Sounds like the morning bus fleet driver(s) saw something? Maybe observant kids on those same buses did too?”
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Very good! Yes. There’s something to that. Possibly a genuine crack in the Cone of Silence on this case. Thank you!…:-)
Jackie Bauer
says:
December 23, 2010 at 11:01 pm
Not to be the picky whiney one here, but re: the statements above the SZ being seen inside the school with Kyron after TH left does *not* mean Kyron left with that male, and if we don’t know that Kyron left w/someone else, then we can’t be sure Kyron didn’t leave with TH. We can only be sure that he didn’t leave with TH at the time she left the first time. We can’t be sure she didn’t come back or tell him to meet her outside.
I’m sure that Blink has said that Kyron left with that male (the SZ) but she didn’t say that she knew this because of a “witness”–it’s only if you put your statement together with Blink’s do we have unknown witness sees SZ leave school grounds with Kyron after TH has left (and even then, SZ could’ve delivered Kyron to her), and so if that is the case, why has LE not released a description of the SZ?
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Hey Jackie – I’d be most proud to join you in the “picky whiney” category.