Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?

HOLD THE PHONE

In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered.  Definitely, alter-able.

Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.

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What’s the issue?

Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.

In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that  is an alternative number for Terri Horman.

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In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.

I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.

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However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.

It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.

Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.

Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?

The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.

The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.

Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.

Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.

While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.

What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.

This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:

Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.

In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear.  At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.

Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”

More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order.  Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.

Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order.  As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”

It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook —  it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.

Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.

The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted.  This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”).  These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.

In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.

Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).

These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010.  The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).

In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.

Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010.  The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty.  I didn’t do [sic]”

Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.

Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.

This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper.  As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.

As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man?  Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?

The text messages don’t check out.  The murder for hire allegations don’t check out.  The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.

Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.

Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.

Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com

Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com

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6,473 Comments

  1. jan says:

    Lea Conner says:
    December 23, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Speaking of verbal slips: Anyone else remember the last name name that Sheriff Dan Staton called Kyron over and over again at that one press conference? It wasn’t Horman.
    ******
    @ Lea
    The verbal slip was Holms.
    That struck me at the time.

  2. MockingbirdSings says:

    puzzled says:
    December 24, 2010 at 10:17 am
    @MockingbirdSings says:
    Perhaps this SZ (with Kyron twice) asked to talk to him to explain what he saw or heard outside and Kyron said OK. Maybe SZ even said he was undercover and asked his help in some detective work. I have thought many times that possibly Kyron’s desire to be a detective like Tony may have fit here somewhere by giving him a “mission” to overcome being timid and not taking risks. I have not wanted to bring up such a painful thought.

    If Kyron knew the person, he may have wanted to believe what he said. If Kyron was “involved” and realized what he saw/heard, then it had to be something a 7 year old boy would recognize as wrong but would wait to tell rather than going straight to a teacher or principal OR something he knew Terri knew about, making it hard to know how to handle – and also something any witnesses would not recognize or report (did not appear threatening).
    ~~~~
    MockingbirdSings, I’m lifting your thoughts because I’m not convinced of the pedophile angle. KyH has a bonded relationship with his father and step-father and two older brothers. I don’t see him as a candidate for grooming.

    So maybe there’s another reason why KyH.

    I’m also thinking same guy ?? vs two guys ?? … what about one guy with altered appearance … with facial hair vs without facial hair … and cap, always a cap … There’s a reason why SZ has not been identified.

    puzzled says:
    December 24, 2010 at 10:23 am
    I’m still thinking of white truck in back and car in side driveway angle = two people … one inside and one outside.

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    One guy with altered appearance is an excellent thought. It would be very quick and easy to do. Change a jacket, add or subtract glasses – lots of little things would make a difference when people are already distracted and not aware they are witnessing anything important (unlike a robbery or other crime in progress).

    I also keep thinking of 2 people. If only one person was at the truck when Kyron “saw it all”, it doesn’t make nearly as much sense to me as it would with two, unless . . .
    how could LE and then Desiree know what Kyron saw? A witness would have had to see something that stood out, or could something physical have happened to the truck that we haven’t been told? Did someone scratch the paint, remove something from the back, try to force the door open, look under the hood – was someone Kyron knew interrupted by him while trying to disable the truck (starter) and a witness thought the person was trying to help and didn’t think about it until later?

    Even the small things we know about seem to have so many possibilities.

  3. MockingbirdSings says:

    Kimberly’s link – from Dec. 23
    http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/missing-child-alert-second-grader-kyron-horman-missing-from-school
    ——————–

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html
    Carol Moulton is mentioned at least 10 times throughout this article as providing the information for it. It is essentially the same information written the day before the first link above. Other news stations seem to have had a lot of the same quotes.

    What I try to remember and what is really hard about this case, IMO, is that so much of our early information was from the media running out and interviewing whoever would talk. Much of that information came from the one person we say wasn’t talking. She didn’t talk, but her version(s) of the facts turned up everywhere. It has caused us, and LE I’m sure, to go over and over multiple pieces of information and compare with everything new that’s learned. No wonder it takes so long.

    Peace.

  4. Rose says:

    Finished Xmas ervice; waiting for Santa.
    Thank you Neighbor & Skyline for local support of Finding poor Kyron. So important he be brought home and given rest.

    @Jan, who offered, and any other stalwart “beejaying” contributors. Seeking to vet my sensethere is no electronic footprint for a PPS employee: my hints having failed, listed as school Resource Louis N Terrones (or lou terrones). on line is Calif license for Mod-Severe disabilities. Per BOE minutes, he was converted from probation (a 3 yr gig for new hires) to permanent at same time as Mrs Porter. At one time I could google a name listing in a running club event in a town N or NE of San Fran several yrs ago–gone now. Listed as youth running coach at Skyline, no further entries tho. No FB I can find. Sped rooms can be self contained, own bathroom. Not on The List. Unless he had flu or funeral, why would a Sped miss the Fair.

  5. Malty says:

    @Familythx
    we don’t ware coats until we have to but I carry two down coats
    in the car plus blankets and extra shoes and socks
    I ware a light wind breaker year round
    glad you enjoyed our city
    things look alot different in Dec than June in Portland
    hope you can return in June
    Merry Christmas

  6. Malty says:

    @Idahogal
    I would not go over there unless I covered my hair and rented a car
    and no child
    but that is me I don’t want some one finding
    me or mine
    Merry Christmas

  7. riverpearl says:

    amychika~

    Well, I was wrong when I asked you to …
    “please refresh my memory … of the … comment you posted I MADE” …
    …as “I do not remember the context “that” post was made” … SINCE I DID NOT make it.

    When I responded to YOUR post on December 22, 2010 @ 5:14 am, I had NOT gone back over any &/ or all my posts to see where “I could have made such a comment”.

    I actually did so later & found the post IS “pdxgirl says: December 21, 2010 at 12:20 am”.

    When I SAW YOUR MISTAKE & felt it was polite to wait for either “pdxgirl” &/ or you to “clear the air”, so to speak.

    But, from your last post to me ending with, “i find it odd that you do not recall your own comment…”
    it appears YOUR MISTAKE is YOU MIS-READ.

    So, please see all posts below that show the complete posting re: “who posted what”.

    Thanks so much for your time in this matter & I HOPE I NOW have clear any mis-understanding you have. May you & yours have a safe & happy holiday.
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    amychika says:
    December 24, 2010 at 4:18 am
    riverpearl you have posted that comment on:

    22.riverpearl says:
    December 22, 2010 at 12:20 am;

    here is a context it was in:
    “OK, this made me wonder if the part of the profile that was very “spot on” related to the masterful IT skills with no electronic footprint. That part of the profile stuck out in a “one of these things is not like the other” way for me.
    Hmmm….wondering if SZ has visited BoC, and somehow left no trace? I’m NOT suggesting, by the way, that any commenter here is SZ (gotta be careful what you say here!)….just wondering if maybe Blink has some insider knowledge. Just a thought.”

    i find it odd that you do not recall your own comment…
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    riverpearl says:
    December 22, 2010 at 10:01 pm
    amychika:
    Would you please refresh my memory w/ date & time of the below comment you posted I made ?
    I do not remember the context “that” post was made.

    TIA
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    amychika says:
    December 22, 2010 at 5:14 am
    to riverpeal who said: “Hmmm….wondering if SZ has visited BoC, and somehow left no trace? I’m NOT suggesting, by the way, that any commenter here is SZ (gotta be careful what you say here!)….”

    i must add, Let alone set up meetings with people that you have met here or any other web site!!!
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    amychika says:
    December 22, 2010 at 5:14 am
    to riverpeal who said: “Hmmm….wondering if SZ has visited BoC, and somehow left no trace? I’m NOT suggesting, by the way, that any commenter here is SZ (gotta be careful what you say here!)….”

    i must add, Let alone set up meetings with people that you have met here or any other web site!!!!
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    riverpearl says:
    December 22, 2010 at 12:20 am
    I brought up the perv you mention … Wesley Allen Dodd.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westley_Allan_Dodd
    [Or google Dodd, you will find enough reading material to get a grasp of who he was]

    I posted about him because if anyone would read just a little on him & saw some of his statements … you would see true evil. He is who I think when I hear “sexual predator.

    He abducted a 4-year old Portland boy from a Portland park & took the small boy back to his (Dodd’s) Vancouver home. He killed 2 young brothers in a Vancouver (Washington) park. Dodd was caught after the failed abduction of another boy in a Camas (Washington) movie theatre. When police searched Dodd’s home they found the 4-year old Portland boy (hanging) dead in a closet, who’s name was/is Lee Iseli.

    “Dodd was executed by hanging at 12:05 a.m. on January 5, 1993 at Washington State Penitentiary in Walla Walla. By Washington State law, Dodd had to choose the method of his execution, and state law gave Dodd two options: lethal injection or hanging. Dodd chose hanging, later stating in interviews that he chose that method “because that’s the way Lee Iseli died.” He also requested that his hanging be televised, but that request was denied. His hanging was the first use of hanging for an execution in the United States since George York and James Latham were hanged by Kansas in 1965.” -wikipedia

    Dodd was/is what some would call the “true” boogie man or a sexual, serial predator, truly evil that walked among us. The likes to this day that still scare me 17 yrs later knowing there are still others …

    I also have asked people to look @ the Brooke Willberger case/ Corvalllis OR. The public NEVER knew of the investigation going on privately, no disclosure of evidence, no press releases etc UNTIL AFTER the perp had AGREED to a plea deal & he had disclosed her location. LE/DA announced the “solving” of Brooke’s disappearance/abduction, rape & murder & the conviction (plea bargain) of perp & w/i hours he was already on his way to start serving his life sentence in an Arizona prison (part of his plea deal was to serve out his sentence by family in Arizona IF he disclosed Brooke’s remains).

    I see by Brooke’s case how little & actually no information was given to the public UNTIL her case was totally solved/ closed.

    Brooke’s case makes me feel this is how Kyron’s case is going … it was OVER 5 years later Brooke’s remains were located & recovered.

    As fast as I wish Kyron’s case would be “solved”, I know in reality, it may go for a very long time.

    JMHO
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    pdxgirl says:
    December 21, 2010 at 12:20 am
    I don’t suppose I could get you to take my word for the fact that part of the profile is very “spot on”?
    B

    ***

    OK, this made me wonder if the part of the profile that was very “spot on” related to the masterful IT skills with no electronic footprint. That part of the profile stuck out in a “one of these things is not like the other” way for me.

    Hmmm….wondering if SZ has visited BoC, and somehow left no trace? I’m NOT suggesting, by the way, that any commenter here is SZ (gotta be careful what you say here!)….just wondering if maybe Blink has some insider knowledge. Just a thought.

    I’m also still entertaining the idea that an digital image or evidence of what happened to Kyron has been found by LE (“things we wish we didn’t know”). If so, this suspect is a very, very scary person indeed.

    There was a case someone mentioned here a few months ago–also in the Pacific Northwest, I think–about a serial pedophile murderer who was eventually found because he attempted to abduct a boy from a movie theatre. The boy shouted and screamed and kicked…and why? Because his mother had told him that’s exactly what he should do in that scenario, following news reports of two other local boys having been murdered in a playground. The point is that the public knew what was going on, and parents warned their children. Had this mother not taken the time to talk to her son about the risks and what he should do in that scenario, this psycho could have gone on to who knows how many more victims. (This is one of the many, many things I’ve learned about since reading about Kyron here at BOC.)

    It’s been making me increasingly upset that LE isn’t sharing more info with the public about this case other than “we’re working on it”).”TH did it” is one thing; this is quite another….
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    pdxgirl says:
    December 21, 2010 at 12:20 am
    I don’t suppose I could get you to take my word for the fact that part of the profile is very “spot on”?
    B

    ***

    OK, this made me wonder if the part of the profile that was very “spot on” related to the masterful IT skills with no electronic footprint. That part of the profile stuck out in a “one of these things is not like the other” way for me.

    Hmmm….wondering if SZ has visited BoC, and somehow left no trace? I’m NOT suggesting, by the way, that any commenter here is SZ (gotta be careful what you say here!)….just wondering if maybe Blink has some insider knowledge. Just a thought.

    I’m also still entertaining the idea that an digital image or evidence of what happened to Kyron has been found by LE (“things we wish we didn’t know”). If so, this suspect is a very, very scary person indeed.

    There was a case someone mentioned here a few months ago–also in the Pacific Northwest, I think–about a serial pedophile murderer who was eventually found because he attempted to abduct a boy from a movie theatre. The boy shouted and screamed and kicked…and why? Because his mother had told him that’s exactly what he should do in that scenario, following news reports of two other local boys having been murdered in a playground. The point is that the public knew what was going on, and parents warned their children. Had this mother not taken the time to talk to her son about the risks and what he should do in that scenario, this psycho could have gone on to who knows how many more victims. (This is one of the many, many things I’ve learned about since reading about Kyron here at BOC.)

    It’s been making me increasingly upset that LE isn’t sharing more info with the public about this case other than “we’re working on it”).”TH did it” is one thing; this is quite another….

  8. Kat says:

    @ Blink: “This suspect zero thinks he is smarter than any mere LEO, he hides in plain site.”

    Plain site. Part of “the landscape”? Attire, vehicle, and behavior blends in. Knows the school. Familiar with school and Ky? Knows the area—how to make his escape. A “clean” escape. Could he have been a “watcher” outdoors who never went inside the SF? Sat in the truck? Someone must have noticed something odd, “off” about a possible non-parent feigning interest in the activity? More of a people watcher than an exhibit observer? Looking for rather than looking at?

    I still cannot get my brain around this being a random snatching. IMO LE would be duty-bound to inform the public if it were. However, given all the MFH-Weird Step Parenting-Unknown poss. “illegal” Entanglements involved, the mushrooming effect has taken huge amounts of investigative time/energy. Who took Ky? Why? Where? How? When? The loss of time because authorities didn’t know there was a missing child is sooo heartbreakingly huge. A full school day!

    So—yes, IMHO, TMH seems to be involved in Ky’s disappearance—directly/indirectly. Her own inability to walk a straight line with the truth in addition to her needing to be heard will work against her. Must be interesting to be stuck at Mom and Dad’s house—esp. when Dad told the press early on that there’s a 50-50 chance you were involved!

    Someone earlier mentioned that the Skyline community is being tight-lipped. No doubt. I imagine they were told by LE not to discuss it, although I don’t know that for fact. It would seem they are still operating on the idea that this is all part of a TMH scheme, or fallout thereof.

    Merry Christmas, Blinkers. I wish Desiree had the joy of waking up this morning to watch Ky open a stuffed stocking! My “mom’s heart” breaks for her…

  9. puzzled says:

    It’s been making me increasingly upset that LE isn’t sharing more info with the public about this case other than “we’re working on it”).”TH did it” is one thing; this is quite another….
    ~~~
    I’m not sure who to credit this with … but you are right on!!

    In reviewing the last day’s posts, we don’t know anymore now than we did in the very early days. Things come into better focus and are more understandable, but really, do we know anything different?

  10. puzzled says:

    I’m also still entertaining the idea that an digital image or evidence of what happened to Kyron has been found by LE (“things we wish we didn’t know”). If so, this suspect is a very, very scary person indeed.
    ~~~
    Want to be sure the correct person is credited with this thought … fwiw, I agree!

    Putting the “masterful IT skills” with “things we wish we didn’t know” screamed online child pornography to me.

    Don’t want to believe it … don’t want to go “there”. But, I don’t know.

  11. lyla says:

    MockingbirdSings says:
    December 24, 2010 at 8:06 pm
    @Jackie Bauer says:
    December 23, 2010 at 11:01 pm
    Not to be the picky whiney one here, but re: the statements above the SZ being seen inside the school with Kyron after TH left does *not* mean Kyron left with that male, and if we don’t know that Kyron left w/someone else, then we can’t be sure Kyron didn’t leave with TH. We can only be sure that he didn’t leave with TH at the time she left the first time. We can’t be sure she didn’t come back or tell him to meet her outside.
    I’m sure that Blink has said that Kyron left with that male (the SZ) but she didn’t say that she knew this because of a “witness”–it’s only if you put your statement together with Blink’s do we have unknown witness sees SZ leave school grounds with Kyron after TH has left (and even then, SZ could’ve delivered Kyron to her), and so if that is the case, why has LE not released a description of the SZ?
    ———————————-
    Hey Jackie – I’d be most proud to join you in the “picky whiney” category.
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    What if SZ is not serial offender? What is SZ is a sort of hit man who was hired thru TH & assoc to disappear Kyron? Could TH have wanted Kyron gone before school let out for the summer? There are a lot of concidences surrounding Ky’s disappearance that particular day of the SF and a lot of confusion created by TH’s actions with Ms. Porter. Things just don’t add up to me that SZ is a serial offender and it’s entirely possible SZ handed him off to someone who was. The words to remember are “this was well planned”. Time, effort and coordination went into his abduction. This is what brings me back to; “who had the means, opportunity and motive to put the plan in motion?

  12. familythx says:

    Merry Christmas, Malty, and thanks for the trunk inventory-lol! I was beginning to think something was wrong with me for being cold all the time. Glad to know you get cold too.

    Re no IT footprint: what comes to mind for me is the discovery of exceepyionally well encrypted child porn that leaves no traces to the hosts (sellers). There have been several articles about how sophisticated internet porn rings have become.

  13. GraceintheHills says:

    41.Sammy says:
    December 24, 2010 at 5:19 pm
    neighbor says:
    December 24, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    I would be interested, but we should be careful sharing the meeting time/place.

    And yes, if there is a description of SZ, I think MCSO should get the word out ASAP. As my boy would say “I am going to be mad as a hornet”, if I find that he served as bait to catch SZ.
    ***************************************************************
    Bravo neighbor!

    Totally agree that I’d be mad as a hornet if I found out that any child was being used as bait to catch SZ.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    @neighbor and Sammy: I cannot imagine LE/FBI actually using a child of Kyron’s age to bait a pedophile. Ugh.

    When I first became aware of this story, I thought is was likely that a serial pedophile took Kyron. I also wondered if this abduction was related to the Lindsey Baum abduction in Washington.

    Any thoughts on this?

    Merry Christmas, Blink and all you Blinksters!

  14. Malty says:

    Merry Christmas Blink and all you great posters
    Hope you are having a relaxing day
    like I am

  15. familythx says:

    Wow, too much Christmas- meant to say exceptionally well encrypted child porn…

  16. jan says:

    Blink,
    Let’s go further back in the timeline.
    The TH MFH plot was being cooked up in Winter 2009.
    Who else was TH in contact with around that time? Any other MFH plots going on in area? Do locals know more about Cat Villarreal; was his untimely motorcycle death really an “accident?”
    Any relations to
    VILLARREAL, JULIO MONTELLIOS 2/25/1950
    3507 16TH PLACE * PREDATOR *
    FOREST GROVE, OR 97116

    Lea Conner says:
 December 23, 2010 at 6:45 pm
    Speaking of verbal slips: Anyone else remember the last name that Sheriff Dan Staton called Kyron over and over again at that one press conference? It wasn’t Horman.

    ******
    “Holm”
    was clearly on Staton’s mind early on. Holm lives close to Jim Kelly, of the strange-sightings-hours, of a white truck story.
    Kurtis Holm was friends with Ky, also had a Tree Frog exhibit; any other students have Tree Frog exhibit?

    Why did the Sherrif ask media outlets for recorded interviews?
    Kim Holm in interview,
    http://www.katu.com/home/related/98286974.html
    said Kurtis went bowling with Ky days before incident.
    K. Holm here too, (also Tyler Kessinger) interview:
    http://www.katu.com/home/video/98647489.html
    Anyone know about local bowling alley scene?

    From Catarino Floyd Villarreal (father) obit,
    http://www.srnpdx.org/sites/default/files/RR1009_color.pdf
    Kurtis older brothers are Avery, Ryan and Cameron Villarreal (year ago, ages: Avery 21, Ryan 19, Cameron 17, Kurtis 8, and Joseph 5.) Monika (Holm?) is his sister.

    Posters have commented on hinky tattoos, drugs, police, devil worship and more on CV and AV FB pages.
    From Cameron FB http://www.facebook.com/crazy4high?sk=wall
    “goin do fun and crazy stuff in washington this weekend. no police will be able to bust me
    July 7 at 8:03pm

    Edgar Ruiz Ry qit his job n ave went to jail n is waiting to go to court..wer r u living?
    August 28 at 1:40pm

    “Ave” who went to jail, is that Avery V. in jail, where and why? “Ry” likely Ryan V.

    Older bro “Ave” has a warning to younger Cameron:
    Cameron Villarreal
    you should log out of your facebook man, ave
    August 30 at 8:04pm

    Someone (enumclawrose, maybe? Or Idahogal) mentioned an Idaho connection:
    Cameron Villarreal
    goin to idaho
    July 18 at 7:00am

    AV’s Satan’s Spawn my space is definitely edgy
    http://www.myspace.com/496471897
    disturbing visuals and comments, like:
    http://www.myspace.com/496471897
    posted comments:

    Belphegor (Blood Magick Neccromance)

    “AVE MANIAKK…BLAST FOR THE DEVIL”
    Does “Ave” refer to A.V.? Then look at the Belphegor site sacrifice images, yuk.

    and maybe could be in the Staton’s “things we wish we didn’t know” category.

    See AV’s FB:
    http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000645197805&sk=wall
    Avery Villarreal
    F*ck the police
    September 3 at 8:45pm
    (sic)

    The things that go missing along the way in this case have me wonder why. For example:
    AV is FB friends with Devin L, who removed a Sanchez friend that ultimately led to A. Sosa then to missing E. Mejia:
    http://es-la.facebook.com/people/Elsa-Mejia/100000643103724

    In the Plain-sight, but hidden category:
    My guess is there are additional Volunteer or connectons and information to be gleaned from Skyline Ridge Runner Newsletters, like folks working in the area, e.g. Oregon Department of Water Resources and West Multnomah Soil and Water Conservation District (WMSWCD) ompiled a list of people willing (even occasionally or on a limited basis) to do tractor work of various kinds for neighboring small acreage farmers.

    What happens early February 2011, when MSCO task-force 120 days run out?

  17. amychika says:

    @riverpearl,

    alright, thanks for clearing that up!

  18. FLGirl says:

    Thank you Jackie, Jeff, KRFox, Nora, and anyone I may have forgotten.

    It is very hard to keep up with this case right now, on a daily basis. The fact that we’re more than 6 months down the road, with seemingly no resolution, and no hope of finding Kyron, is a very heavy emotional toll; even though I don’t know him or the family, nor have I ever gone through a similar experience.

    I generally don’t get involved too much in these kinds of blogs/stories, because of that emotional investment.

    I relocated to NC a few months ago, but decided to keep this name since this is how you all know me. Shortly after arriving here, a precious little girl named Zahra Baker (I’m sure most have heard of this case) went missing from a city not too far away. It was such a sad and tragic story, and I couldn’t help but be moved and sucked into it; wanting to know what had become of her. Sadly, she was murdered and dismembered, seemingly by her parents; though things seem really stalled in bringing real charges against either of them.

    It was hard not to turn on the tv and look for news, or search the internet for stories. Even locally, that case hadn’t gotten the kind of press Kyron’s disappearance had, at first.

    Though I think the end result will sadly be the same, I couldn’t help but hold out hope, because they hadn’t found evidence that something awful had definitely happened to Kyron. His parents seemed to still keep hope that somehow he was alive. They were out there fighting for him; and I know they still are, though time has certainly taken it’s toll on them and I’m sure their ability to remain optimistic.

    I don’t want to come across as I am disparaging anyone’s research or theories or anything of the sort. But things seems at times to go off in all kinds of directions. I guess it’s something to do, to feel like we’re still involved, or doing something that may help. But in the end, it’s just pure frustration for me. Because I feel like, the simplest answer is the correct one; and that it’s pointed at one person in particular.

    I’m no expert; I’m not a genius by any means. But I can’t help but think that these situations are generally not complicated. And most times, it’s a family member who does away with a person, because of some perceived issues, a grudge, a measure of sociopathy; or a combination of things.

    I would love to believe that Terri got pissed at Rudy and told his wife their were fooling around, and that Rudy’s wife took Kyron as some sort of revenge; and that he’s living a safe, if confused existence somewhere else. But, I just don’t think so.

    I could buy a spurned lover I guess taking Kyron for revenge. But, it wouldn’t make sense if Rudy was guilty of abducting Kyron, that he was sent on this police sting, complete with an undercover DEA agent, IIRC.

    Pedophiles certainly exist, and while one could’ve been watching the school, I can’t imagine he would be so “lucky” as to pick the child who would not be missed. It would have to be quite the coincidence that Kyron’s teacher would allegedly misunderstand and assume he had a Dr. appt. and then no one would check-up on his whereabouts. And it would have to be someone who knew they could fit-in at the school, and could coerce Kyron away without getting caught; or as someone else said, have a reasonable excuse at the ready to explain what he was doing, should he get caught.

    If it was a family friend or something; maybe. Other than that, I can’t see it; and I can’t see that the police would dub it an isolated incident and allow children to go back to school and call it safe.

    I honestly don’t know what is fact and what is purely speculation anymore.

    I remember Desiree saying that Kyron was seen at Kaine’s truck, but not much more than that. I assume she was correct in saying it was Kaine’s truck, otherwise she would’ve said something like “the truck he thought was Kaine’s”. Meaning, if there was this duplicate white truck out there, I’m assuming they’re 100% sure of where each truck was parked, so that they know he was by Kaine’s truck, and not the other truck.

    If that’s the case, how does someone other than Terri either drag Kyron to another, similar looking truck, without arousing suspicion? Or trick him into it, if he’s already at the truck he knows is his dad’s? And who could this person be (I think people are suggesting it’s a man?), who could get Kyron to go with him?

    If Kaine’s truck was still there; and it had to be, because Kyron was apparently spotted by it; then that means Terri was still there at that time. So, imo, either Kyron was spotted by the truck perhaps when they arrived, which would be no big deal. Or else he was sent outside by Terri to meet her and/or her accomplice.

    With the calls to police and Rudy’s wife finding out about the affair, I cannot see Terri requesting his help in this situation. Perhaps it could be this Arturo Sanchez person, but I wouldn’t think Kyron would know him, nor go with him willingly.

    The only way I can see a man being involved is if it were perhaps Michael Cook; as they seemed to have jumped into an affair of sorts pretty quickly after Kyron’s disappearance. Or if Terri had herself another boyfriend by that point. However, it’s a pretty dicey proposition to throw it out there to someone you’re sleeping with, “hey would you help me drug (or kill) my stepson and dump him in the woods somewhere?” I have a hard time imagining that any fuck buddy would just up and help get rid of an innocent child, unless he were a real sociopath.

    And the truth is, to me, I wonder about the man who was allegedly seen at that point. Who is to say he wasn’t another parent arriving to see his child’s exhibit and just happened to pass by Kyron, and someone assumed they were together?

    I don’t know, but it really doesn’t add up for me.

    No matter how I look at it, I can only see Terri with the motive and the means and opportunity to lure Kyron out without being suspicious and without causing him to make a fuss. I don’t mean she walked out with him; it could be simply, “hey we have to get you to the Dr., go wait for me in the truck while I tell your teacher.” Kyron walks out alone; there’s not many people around because most students aren’t there yet and those who are, are looking at the projects prior to class.

    Whether he goes with Terri, DeDe, or person # 3, I have no idea. But all that makes sense to me is this:

    Terri set everything up for that morning, so as to confuse the teacher and Kyron. She had a plan to get him out of the school in one form or another; whether it be herself, or someone else. I have no idea what her plans were, I’m hoping it was something like hiding him to hurt Kaine, or perhaps blame the school and get some form of revenge/monetary settlement, than to outright do away with him permanently.

    Perhaps she drugged him and left him in the woods, or with Person #3, and went to establish her alibi; only to find out that he was overdosed or something, and that there was no way to save him. Then she has DeDe help her to dispose of the evidence and goes home to prepare herself for Kyron to come up “missing”.

    No matter what way you slice it, for me, the woman is guilty of something awful. Perhaps it turned out worse than what she had planned; perhaps she planned something awful all along. And I think she only makes herself look guilt as sin by not talking.

    I think there could be some leeway, if she had “just” intended to make him go missing for a while to torture Kaine, and then things went way beyond that, to where he couldn’t be revived. Horrible though that would be, is it better to keep quiet and be presumed an evil person who killed an innocent child in cold blood? Were it an accident, I think she’d be attempting some kind of plea bargain. Surely she would have a guilty conscience is she didn’t mean to do him permanent harm.

    Trouble is, based on her actions, and the perceptions gained from them, I don’t think she has a conscience, much less a guilty one. She’s willing to roll the dice and keep her mouth shut, so she doesn’t go to prison.

    And I don’t think for a minute, if some 3rd party like AS was involved, that she wouldn’t roll over and blame him somehow to save her own ass. Her high-priced lawyer could argue she had post-partum depression (we know Kaine said she was on medication for such) and that she was not in her right mind, and thus was coerced by her lover (or whomever), to get rid of Kyron because he was in their way.

    In fact, I think her lawyer could’ve played the PPD card even without it involving a lover. Claim she was stressed out and doing all the child-rearing, that Kaine didn’t do his share; that it was too hard to take care of the baby and deal with whatever problems she claimed Kyron to have (behavioral, seizures, etc); that she was under the influence of drugs and alcohol, and so on.

    I have no respect for this woman at all; but if at least she would own up to her actions, I could feel like she was somewhat human. I understand she wouldn’t want to go to prison, but if something monstrous happened to Kyron because of her, then she should feel some pain, some regret.

    I just think, if she had a soul, she would try to make some kind of plea. Instead she’ll stay quiet in hopes of getting away scot-free.

  19. FLGirl says:

    Oh, and I’m not real clear on the issue about the parking lot/video tapes of the stores.

    Apparently the issue is, Terri is seen on tape in the parking lots with Kiara, but not Kyron, so that means she does not have him?

    What about the idea of the second person (likely DeeDee), being in the truck with Kyron? If she was there, Terri wouldn’t need to keep an eye on Kyron herself. And since she seemingly parked far away from the stores, perhaps she figured no one would notice Kyron in the truck; nor notice DeeDee. Perhaps she figured they were away from cameras,or if they happened to be caught by one, they’d be too far away to tell how many people were in the truck and who they were?

    There’s also the mention of the container that police may have been looking for. It’s come up several times; the first being I believe the initial search of Sauvie Island. In subsequent, recent searches, I believe there has also been talk of some kind of container.

    If that’s the case, who is to say that Kyron wasn’t in the truck, knocked out in a container? I know no one wants to imagine this, but perhaps he was drugged, bound and gagged. Maybe she’d given him some sort of medication before, and that’s why she was claiming he was all spacey; to suggest it was something to do with seizures instead.

    Since he was basically confined to his room from bedtime until someone came to get him, how do we know she didn’t give him something to knock him out on a semi-regular basis?

    There is a movie called Freedomland where the mother regularly drugs her son with some children’s cold medicine I believe, in order to have her boyfriend over. In the movie the child receives a lethal dose and the boyfriend buries him in woods.

    I know it’s just a movie, but didn’t Casey Anthony essentially do the same thing? Drugged her child so she could enjoy a social life, then apparently OD’ed her while trying to knock her out?

  20. enumclawrose says:

    Same guy?

    http://www.examiner.com/amber-alerts-in-national/kyron-horman-latest-terri-horman-sent-emails-to-source-said-kyron-acted-strange-before-he-vanished

    This email was written on June 5, 2010. “I said I was going to look at other exhibits – how do you mess that up? His coat and backpack were still at school. I left the school at 9 and he was seen with a man ‘chaperone’ and 2 girls after I left.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/11/earlyshow/main6763247.shtml

    At least two witnesses have told police they saw a second adult waiting in Terri Horman’s truck while she was with Kyron at his school science fair the day he disappeared. Investigators are looking for witnesses to confirm the claim and offer a valid description.

    http://www.katu.com/news/local/100455014.html

    During the news conference, investigators also said they are hoping to hear from anyone who parked on the south side of the Skyline School parking lot – on the side closest to the road – on June 4.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/kyron_horman_task_force_sends.html

    ANY INDIVIDUAL (to include a minor child), other than a Skyline Student, who you have reason to believe was on the campus between 8-12 on June 4 but is not on this list; and ANY INDIVIDUAL who is on the list but who you have reason to believe was not on campus during that time.

  21. melissab says:

    Nice to see you again FLGirl! Hope your move was a happy and successful one and you enjoyed your holidays! Hope all had a wonderful holiday! I have to agree with you on all points. It has gone in all directions but without any info from LE there is nothing left to do but turn every stone so to speak. I does make one feel like Ky is being helped and the only way to do it sitting behind a keyboard is research all possibilities. You are correct though, all roads lead back to that one particular redhead! We shall see and I too hoped that he had been taken and was just hidden but I’m thinking the worst has happened. I think we all know that but just don’t want to accept it!

  22. Idahogal says:

    Idaho and all readers:

    Wrt to posting links to sex offenders, there has to be a relevant and verifiable connection to this case that would render such a posting as “news”. Like it or not, there are laws relating to posting their information that we must comply with.
    B

  23. puzzled says:

    23.enumclawrose says:
    December 26, 2010 at 4:15 am

    Same guy?
    ~~~
    One guy in the school is suggestive of abduction by pedophile.

    Two guys .. one in the school, one outside in the Horman truck .. suggests kidnapping .. for possible ransom. Which was the first theory.

    Second theory quickly evolved when looking at parents and focusing on TH .. with good reason.

    Unable to connect TH to abductor, LE is having to consider third theory, that of pedophile.

    Three theories … not one is proveable. This is way too bizarre.

  24. wc says:

    @FLGirl

    Welcome to NC, we’ve got about 6” of snow this morning.

    “I just think, if she had a soul, she would try to make some kind of plea. Instead she’ll stay quiet in hopes of getting away scot-free.”

    I’ve thought this also. I want to think that someone with a soul wouldn’t have been involved to begin with. If I truly felt that way about a child, I would have just walked away from it all. I think there must be some people who are pretty smug about themselves right now. Moo-ing.

  25. beejay says:

    I’m back in my home state briefly for Christmas (a rare white one, too, for us!) When I’m away from my main computer I use a portable device which I’ve been asked not to post on or retrieve email or anything on. So, I can read here, but not post (except when my IT friends take it away from me totally; they’re using it for stuff and want to keep it secure; at least that’s my understanding of why they don’t want me posting, but what do I know?) I’ll be back on the west coast shortly; am packing my rain slicker now(!) I’ve sure missed the back-and-forth discussions here.

    @Jan: our missing Elsy Mejia-Sanchez is NOT the one whose facebook you linked to. (you said, “AV is FB friends with Devin L, who removed a Sanchez friend that ultimately led to A. Sosa then to missing E. Mejia:”)
    http://es-la.facebook.com/people/Elsa-Mejia/100000643103724

    *********************
    @Jan and Rose: I found Louis N Terrones on Linked In, with professional bio. If he is 48 yrs old, then he has family you can find thru a people finder database. A Skyline parent can help us with what his classroom situation was last year—whether self-contained, pull-out basis, etc. His classroom was in 105B in the school. Downstairs; SM has that great school layout drawing; link was posted here earlier. Was Lou AWOL for a legitimate meeting on June 4 the reason he wasn’t on “the list”? IDK.

    ********************

    @ puzzled: I vote for #3. Finally the right one. Now gotta work it.

    ********************

    Jill Inahara got the grant that RS Landscape Maintenance worked under at the schl. If locals can get the info from her she should know (or know who knows) who Rudy’s regular workers were. And maybe someone saw any day laborers that he hired on for Skyline project. Also, Selim Masic was custodian most of the year. There is, coincidentally, a Sanchez who was a neighbor of Selim’s.

    Any locals know anything about William Tandy (Bill), his friends, family, marital status, hobbies, history? I posted his facebook earlier here and Rose, IIRC, said she recognized him as the Skyline custodian.

    ******************

    Don’t forget Rudy as the possible driver behind this. We don’t know his personal story, including his sexual proclivities. Or his exact connection to TH (other than his perhaps-fabricated MFH solicitation tale, which conveniently casts suspicion away from him). And to Lea Connor: were any of Rudy’s other aliases removed from that database you mentioned a long time ago? Any of his relatives?

    *****************

    I personally haven’t crossed off the possibility that the Ky grabber had been stalking Ky. Because it’s always a possibility. And because I don’t take everything that Terri says as a lie. Ky might have been acting funny for a couple of weeks; and this might be why.

    *****************

    Santiago Bautista, bus driver, on the list at Skyline that day. He is, like much of Portland, a weight-lifter. Reading his facebook, it looks fairly routine. Worked hard to get his commercial drivers lic.; posted about that. Except he does have one really strange looking friend.

    http://www.facebook.com/Santi610?v=wall

    NOTE: The afternoon bus driver met by the Hormans was referred to as “she”. IDK which route SB drove.

    ******************

    I think we’ve taken the list of fed agencies who helped with this case early on as a sign that swarms of feds were all over this. Sadly, I don’t believe they are or ever were—in any major way. That’s all I’ve been able to find out from that end of things.

    I sure hope locals outside of the Skyline community will take an interest in this. The Skyline community has a lot of reasons to want this to be handled quietly, or to just go away. (I know one concern is how this case might affect property values. Don’t shoot me; I’m just the messenger.)

    But as someone here said, a man disappeared Ky from school and that man is still out there. Now, maybe he did that for his own pleasure; maybe he does it for hire. Maybe he did it as revenge against a lover. Will he never lust again?
    Maybe he used a hired killer. Who else might the killer work for? And what if he takes the wrong kid next time? Where will he strike next time? Might he move to another state?

    There’s no scenario under which I feel our kids are safe till he is found. LE does NOT have a responsibility to PREVENT crime; just to apprehend criminals. I wouldn’t interpret the continued vulnerability of kids as “LE using our kids as bait.” LE is just doing what they’re charged with doing. Private citizens, working within the law, but with all their wits and skills, need to do the rest. It is our responsibility, and we’re really the only ones “on the case” in that sense.

    So, while MCSO is working on this current case, they’re moving into new territory: they’re trying to identify someone(s) who was on the campus in the expanded time frame up until NOON on June 4. AND/OR, someone who should have been on campus up until noon but was, in fact, NOT there the entire time. Let’s see what we can explore that relates to the extended time frame.

    te veo en el otro lado

    Yep.

    Nice to see you beejay
    B

  26. iodizedseasalt says:

    Couldn’t have said it better FLGirl! Look how long the Anthony’s stalled on everyone and there was a phone call by the grandmother, smell in the car and still, until the little body was found, no one knew for sure. On that case I even have a gut feeling the grandmother knew or had some part in moving the little girl.

  27. Kat says:

    @FLGirl—I would have to agree: the theories have gone multi-directional! Without much from LE in terms of where their searches have taken them, we are left to speculate. It did seem from her “chatter” that TMH wanted a change in her life, and she was willing to take drastic steps to make it happen. She may have found that meds helped her with bodybuilding, and whoever supplied them may have had something “for” Ky, too. She was “creating” symptoms of seizures, fogginess, etc? Maybe he was being used in child porn while under this “haze” so he wouldn’t recall as clearly? Perhaps she and her accomplice had to get it out of his system before he went to DY? Was Ky to go with someone else to have this done? There are some “healers” in the hispanic community in the area that local Latinos go to for herbal remedies, etc. Could this be the “doctor”? Perhaps, as FLGirl mentions, it went wrong and there goes the 90 minutes of time missing while they had to “deal with” the aftermath…

    Something else: TMH would freak out. Her seemingly insecure personality type would seem like she’d need others with her in her “freaking out”—She would do her thinking out loud and need someone to say “do it” or “don’t do it”…then, she’d need that person to be near her to keep reassuring her that she’d done the right thing. Eventually, that person might find themselves in danger, as they’d know “the truth” and would be the only link to “the deed” that would need to be “broken”…MOO

  28. Jackie Bauer :) says:

    @FLGirl, not an argument from me on any point you make. I think she is a foul, soulless creature, and I believe she could, but doesn’t, help bring Kyron home. Even if she “only” let the vampire in, she could cooperate fully, but it seems she quit doing that a long time ago (if she ever really did. Personally, I think it was all lies she told).

    As you can see from my earlier “picky whiner” post, I’m trying my best to nail down just what we *know* about how Kyron left. I believe that if Kyron did leave the school with SZ, and there is a description of SZ, then it doesn’t make sense that LE doesn’t release a photo or this info to the public. But Blink has said that it has been proven to her to her satisfaction that Kyron left with SZ, and Lea has said that there’s a witness who saw Kyron with SZ, so if you put those things together…

    Still, I know in my heart that TH is into something nasty and up to something heinous and that’s how Kyron was taken, and I imagine that someday she’ll be doing the prison-b*tch strut in a state-issued thong. Wonder what color *those* are? LOL.

  29. beejay says:

    Any locals know if Brian Anderson, Youth Minister at Aloha United Methodist is leaving?

    “ReKindle Corporative Youth Ministry Just a reminder that we are going to play games with the residents of Regency Park tomorrow from 2-4pm (and apparently they have a Wii!), then we’ll meet back at Christ from 4-5pm for snacks and farewells to Brian. Hope you guys can make it!
    December 22 at 3:47pm · Like · Comment”

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/ReKindle-Corporative-Youth-Ministry/153459089918?v=app_2373072738#!/pages/ReKindle-Corporative-Youth-Ministry/153459089918?v=wall

  30. enumclawrose says:

    Thanks Puzzled for responding because that’s what I think, way too bizarre. My gut tells me that man they are after parked in that south lot. Is this the man chaperon? Is this the man in Horman’s truck? Is this the someone that is not on the list? Is this all attributed to the same guy?

    22.puzzled says:
    December 26, 2010 at 11:17 am
    23.enumclawrose says:
    December 26, 2010 at 4:15 am

    Same guy?

  31. PDXRichie says:

    Odd it is said about half way through in this interview with Kim Holm that she wasn’t at the school. But her name is on the list that law enforcement released as being there…

    http://www.katu.com/home/video/98647489.html

  32. beejay says:

    OT: mothers, you might wanna move your tween boys’ computers to a parent-monitored area at home. When I saw on Brian A’s facebook that his favorite TV shows are Glee and The Simpsons, I thought I’d look a bit more into Glee. Without youngsters in my house, I’ve never watched it.

    So, I googled “Glee” and up comes the fall GQ magazine shoot with the actresses in poses you might not want junior to be ogling just yet. Scroll on down to the locker room scenes at the link:

    http://www.cafemom.com/group/99198/forums/read/12529823/GLEE_Photo_shoot_Too_Sexy_the_PTC_says

  33. enumclawrose says:

    Jan,
    Great post. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9159.0
    You may want to check out sassifrass. Also, this FB page links to a Sanchez AND an Estrada.
    ________________________________________________
    AV is FB friends with Devin L, who removed a Sanchez friend that ultimately led to A. Sosa then to missing E. Mejia:
    http://es-la.facebook.com/people/Elsa-Mejia/100000643103724

  34. enumclawrose says:

    So what is left? I know that just because something is not provable doesn’t mean it didn’t happened, but what have we not considered? What else could have happened? Is there any scenario we have missed? Could Ky just have walked off with some other minor. (Hence the minor child emphasis in the last letter with the list?) Is that what LE cannot say? They know it is isolated, there was no other vehicle, it is a minor so the laws are different….IDK
    _____________________________________________________________
    @Puzzled
    Three theories … not one is proveable. This is way too bizarre.

  35. Anniex9 says:

    @ FlGirl #18

    I am local, have read all of the 10,000 posts on this heartbreaking case, and I couldn’t agree with you more. Nice post.

  36. MockingbirdSings says:

    jan says
    MockingbirdSings says:
    December 22, 2010 at 10:31 pm
    PPS district IB administrator was at the SF (name on list)
    @ Mockingbird,
    Did PPS administrator receive an email invitation re: SF; who else on this list?
    ——————————————-
    Jan – Sorry I forgot to reply to this question.
    The PPS IBO administrator would have been in touch with Skyline all year since they are a candidate school for IBO. SF’s don’t pop up overnight and they take a lot of planning even before the students start on their projects.

    My experience with PPS events is that there is unlikely to be a small, limited, specifically targeted list of people who would be informed by email of this or any other event. If there are a lot of people who might be interested, it is more likely to go out as an email to every administrator in the district or every certified staff member, or every employee, depending on what it was. There are layers of people who for various reasons need to know and those layers would crisscross and be complicated to sort out for those sending out information. Easier just to send to an entire group and let each person delete what they don’t need (annoying on the receiving end, of course).

    It’s a good thought, but trying to track PPS email notification about the SF is pretty much impossible and would drive you crazy, especially from the “outside”, and not prove anything either, IMO. If that is of value, LE could get whatever paperwork is needed and have PPS Tech Dept. tell them as much as they could.

    Keep this in mind, too. When I retired from PPS, I was gone for a year and then went back to help my old school. The school’s computer person went to set up an email account for me and found I still had one because the computer said he couldn’t enter my name as a new account – and it had 997 emails in my box! They hadn’t even noticed I was no longer employed there. (No, payroll didn’t make the same mistake unfortunately.)

    In addition to all this, you have people who often forward information to others.

  37. loreli48 says:

    Excellent post FLGirl – December 26 at 1:20 a.m. I agree with you wholeheartedly. This whole thing breaks my heart. I have cried a river over Kyron who I have never met, nor his family. I pray daily that there will be a positive conclusion, that little Kyron will again be with his loving parents, but I too find it hard to keep up hope. I will try, however, for Kyron’s sake. Prayers and love tonight and every night for Kyron.

  38. Malty says:

    @Familythx
    you were right on about the dark arcades and porn shops
    I noticed we have fewer on this side of town but I wish we could
    get rid of it all
    Also dropping kids off at the mall for the day creeps me out
    this is the bad side of things here
    and you are right to notice

  39. jan says:

    Thanks, mockingbird, rose and enumclawrose and others.

    enumclawrose says:
    December 26, 2010 at 3:58 pm
    http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9159.0

    Blink or Lea,
    Can you tell us what STM court is:

    First Name AVERY DEAN
    Last Name VILLARREAL
    Birth 19880115
    Race CAUCASIAN Height 68″ Weight 145 LBS
    Court STM Source State OR Offense HOLD

    Avery is Kim Holm son. Kim Holm is on board of PYSA. How close was Kim to TH?

    http://www.portlandyouthsoccer.com/doclib/PYSA%20BOD%206.10.10.pdf

    PYSA meeting notes discuss background checks.
    Could someone in PYSA not have checked out or suddenly stop involvement?
    “Background checks will begin processing shortly.”
    What was the recent upheaval in youth soccer around Portland?

  40. beejay says:

    Paparazzi at work or just a coincidence?

    IF this is Kim Holm, mother of Kurtis, she was caught by a reporter(no photo) out shopping the day after Christmas sales today:

    “Kim Holm, 50, of Portland, paused for a rest Sunday in a massage chair at Washington Square as she prepared to cash in on a wallet full of gift cards from stores including Nordstrom, Old Navy, Gap, Sears and Macy’s, to name a few.”

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/shoppers_flock_to_portland_are.html

  41. Malty says:

    @Familythx
    another thing I do not like is if you go grocery shopping there are
    kids hanging out side while their famys shop
    most are a little older than Kyron but still it is not a safe practice

  42. Malty says:

    I can’t help but wonder when the Hormans went to the gym where
    was Kyron
    was he in the child care area or out in the gym area

  43. Kimberly says:

    33.enumclawrose says:
    December 26, 2010 at 3:58 pm
    Jan,
    Great post. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9159.0
    You may want to check out sassifrass. Also, this FB page links to a Sanchez AND an Estrada.
    ________________________________________________
    AV is FB friends with Devin L, who removed a Sanchez friend that ultimately led to A. Sosa then to missing E. Mejia:
    http://es-la.facebook.com/people/Elsa-Mejia/100000643103724

    *******************************
    @ Enumclawrose,

    Isn’t that the one I found a few threads back?
    I think that E.Mejia is in Mexico, right?

  44. Malty says:

    @JackieB
    very funny about the prison issue thong LOL

  45. KRFox says:

    @FLGirl

    “So, imo, either Kyron was spotted by the truck perhaps when they arrived, which would be no big deal. Or else he was sent outside by Terri to meet her and/or her accomplice.”

    It could also be more “isolated.” The person at the truck could have been an unwitting accomplice and also a witness. Dodo could have also participated from that point anywhere onward. I suspect LE knows whom Kyron left with, who did what and at which point (except, maybe, between TH and Dodo). There’s just a bit of “reasonable doubt” to keep them from moving forward if they don’t have Kyron. “IMO,” “MOO” (whatever the heck “moo” means).

    “No matter how I look at it, I can only see Terri with the motive and the means and opportunity to lure Kyron out without being suspicious and without causing him to make a fuss.”

    Exactly. This point began as the “True North” of this case and remains so. So much more to dissect but your post covers it well.

    Good theory! Are you a Rockford Files fan by chance?…:-)

  46. Kimberly says:

    @ Enumclawrose,

    I followed your link to facebook for Elsa Mejia,
    that girl is too young to be our Elsie, and it says she graduated from Beaverton High in 2008

    The facebook page shows her name differently than Elsa.
    Did you notice that? Did you scroll through her friends?
    Some last names in there that we are no strangers too, and the variables as well.

  47. Rich M says:

    Hmmm…..The skyline list has Kim Holm listed as being at Skyline that morning, but the media report here she says that she was not there that day. She also flip flops about times that pics were taken, and what her kid supposedly said to alert the teacher with “Where is Kyron?”

    http://www.katu.com/home/video/98647489.html

    Thanks Jan for posting this.

  48. Rich M says:

    FlaGirl-Great to see you posting again and like you, I cannot keep up.

    I could not agree more with your POV though. Please keep up the good work.

    To Ritchie-I see you and I had the same thought. The announcer was actually the one that said that Kim was not there at the SF, not Kim herself. Still it is conspicuous.

  49. enumclawrose says:

    39.Kimberly says:
    December 26, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    Not my link. That came from Jan.

  50. enumclawrose says:

    TO INCLUDE A MINOR CHILD. Is that is why this investigation is being handled with kid gloves?

    ANY INDIVIDUAL (to include a minor child), other than a Skyline Student, who you have reason to believe was on the campus between 8-12 on June 4 but is not on this list; and ANY INDIVIDUAL who is on the list but who you have reason to believe was not on campus during that time.
    ____________________________________________________
    jan says:
    December 24, 2010 at 8:22 pm
    Lea Conner says:
    December 23, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Speaking of verbal slips: Anyone else remember the last name name that Sheriff Dan Staton called Kyron over and over again at that one press conference? It wasn’t Horman.
    ******
    @ Lea
    The verbal slip was Holms.
    That struck me at the time.
    ___________________________________________________________________
    jan says:
    December 25, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    From Catarino Floyd Villarreal (father) obit,
    http://www.srnpdx.org/sites/default/files/RR1009_color.pdf
    Kurtis older brothers are Avery, Ryan and Cameron Villarreal (year ago, ages: Avery 21, Ryan 19, Cameron 17, Kurtis 8, and Joseph 5.) Monika (Holm?) is his sister.
    _________________________________________
    28.PDXRichie says:
    December 26, 2010 at 3:46 pm
    Odd it is said about half way through in this interview with Kim Holm that she wasn’t at the school. But her name is on the list that law enforcement released as being there…

    http://www.katu.com/home/video/98647489.html
    ______________________________
    40.Rich M says:
    December 26, 2010 at 9:54 pm
    To Ritchie-I see you and I had the same thought. The announcer was actually the one that said that Kim was not there at the SF, not Kim herself. Still it is conspicuous.

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