Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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I see the other side …
I’m still trying to figure out if LE thinks there is someone other than TH that took Kyron, and they have a description of that person, why haven’t they made that available to the public? Is the description a real time physical description or is it more on the lines of a profile? (Profile of a serial pedophile etc)
Welcome back Beejay!
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers, sister, friends and classmates.
beejay says:
December 26, 2010 at 12:21 pm
I think we’ve taken the list of fed agencies who helped with this case early on as a sign that swarms of feds were all over this. Sadly, I don’t believe they are or ever were—in any major way. That’s all I’ve been able to find out from that end of things.
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Feds were all over “something.” True.
Several Federal LE agencies have been involved and to the extent they are needed, will continue to be..
Several assets were mobilized by them very quickly, but outside of the DEA agent utilized in the MFH sting, I believe the FBI has had the strongest “hands on” presence in the case.
B
43.KRFox says:
December 26, 2010 at 9:29 pm
@FLGirl
“So, imo, either Kyron was spotted by the truck perhaps when they arrived, which would be no big deal. Or else he was sent outside by Terri to meet her and/or her accomplice.”
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I think FLGirl may have made that comment. IIRC, DY not only mentioned Kyron being out by the truck, but also implied that Kyron being out by the truck at that particular time does not fit with TMH’s stated timeline.
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KRfox says, “…I suspect LE knows whom Kyron left with, who did what and at which point (except, maybe, between TH and Dodo). There’s just a bit of “reasonable doubt” to keep them from moving forward if they don’t have Kyron. “IMO,” “MOO” (whatever the heck “moo” means).
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@KR: I feel that if LE knew for sure who removed Kyron out of the school that morning, LE would have arrested that person by now.
Agreed.
B
@Jan
STM as explained by the Oregon DOC newsletter is Security Threat Management. Not sure if this applies to Court STM Source State OR Offense HOLD on AV, but the implication I get is if someone is on an STM HOLD, they have valuable information to be shared. If this applied to him, WTH?
snip> As many of you know, intelligence information isn’t good unless it is shared with those who can put it to use for their own safety, as well as the safety and security of our institutions. Our goal is to “stir” the troops and encourage them to share information that is pertinent to keeping us all safe.
http://www.oregon.gov/DOC/PUBAFF/docs/newsletters/sept_oct_2008_newsletter.pdf?ga=t
Our purpose is to inform DOC staff statewide of any news or updates within the Security Threat Management (STM) and the Special Investigations Unit (SIU). You can expect to see our contributions
in future DOC Newsletters.
I watched this again
http://www.katu.com/home/video/98647489.html
to hear Kim Holm and the interviewer did say that Kim Holm wasn’t at the school, and then Kim Holm talks about Kurtis and what happened, but doesn’t say anything about being there, and yet, she is on that list, right above TH. I agree, that’s odd.
I also noticed that the doctor’s appt was addressed in this video. Basically, LE wouldn’t comment and it is a factor in the investigation, so my guess re: Kaine’s vague response might be correct: He can’t discuss it so he’s evasive about what he knows.
@Malty, glad you got a laugh. I couldn’t help myself.
Please post the LINK where the sheriff supposedly made the “Freudian slip” calling Kyron mistakenly Kyron Holm. If there isn’t a link, please label this as “just another rumor”.
I would not call the slip Freudian, but he did refer to the Horman family as the Holm oe Holmes family during a press conf, I watched it live. Not a rumor.
B
How many wierd twists and turns can there be?
If you think you’ve thought of everything, take a gander at redeyedtreefrog posts:
http://www.portlandparents.net/2010/06/14/kyron-horman/comment-page-1/#comment-1026
Nov. 11: …Terri had been searching for a hit man during 6-8 months before she sold Kyron…
Are they close to finding Kyron?
That is all I care about now. I don’t care what story unfolds about what person or persons responsible for his disappearance.
A child has evaporated into thin air, and until he is found, I’m willing to believe any lead, any suggestion, and hair-brained theory.
I have raised 3 kids — 2 sons. 2 wonderful sons who were once Kyron’s age. I know that age, I know boys that age, and I cannot imagine the agony that DY is feeling now. All I want is for her to know that her own life will not unfold, for decades, with the ache in her heart that her child is gone and that she does not know where he is.
Will someone please find Kyron?
S says: December 23, 2010 at 11:33 am
“Law Enforcement interviewed everyone in the community multiple times, not just the bus drivers.”
True, but why of all the professionals who have been interviewed, did Kaine Horman only thank the bus drivers?
The words “bus drivers” stand out in the sentence spoken by Mr. Horman: “I want to thank the community, the parents, the children, bus drivers, and all of those who are being interviewed multiple times now to find Kyron.”
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It’s interesting how many times I have to read or see something before I finally get that AHA! moment, but I think I finally have.
Is there a possibility that the reason Kaine thanked the bus drivers was, because one or more of them were the ones to witness suspect zero with Kyron, and give a description to police? Without knowing times, etc. that this was all supposed to have occurred, it’s hard to say if one, or more bus drivers were in the vicinity of Skyline–putting them in the area where they could have possibly witnessed SZ, Kyron, and the approximate time they saw it all.
I can’t see why else he would single out bus drivers over other interviewed professionals to thank.
@KRfox says
(except, maybe, between TH and Dodo).
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Is Dodo supposed to be a nickname for Dede?
If it is I would appreciate it if we could stay away from the name calling please.
B
13.zeus says:
December 27, 2010 at 4:53 am
Is there a possibility that the reason Kaine thanked the bus drivers was, because one or more of them were the ones to witness suspect zero with Kyron, and give a description to police? Without knowing times, etc. that this was all supposed to have occurred, it’s hard to say if one, or more bus drivers were in the vicinity of Skyline–putting them in the area where they could have possibly witnessed SZ, Kyron, and the approximate time they saw it all.
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this is something I had not even thought of … bus drivers being a witness of what was going on outside the school. They would be idle while students were getting off the bus … and able to see what was going on in the parking areas. Could be they saw KyH with “someone” and /or saw someone in or around the Horman truck.
23.enumclawrose says:
December 26, 2010 at 4:15 am
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/11/earlyshow/main6763247.shtml
At least two witnesses have told police they saw a second adult waiting in Terri Horman’s truck while she was with Kyron at his school science fair the day he disappeared. Investigators are looking for witnesses to confirm the claim and offer a valid description.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100455014.html
During the news conference, investigators also said they are hoping to hear from anyone who parked on the south side of the Skyline School parking lot – on the side closest to the road – on June 4.
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Bus drivers could be the witnesses.
If bus drivers were the witnesses to outside the school … and saw someone … who is/are the witness/s to seeing Kyh with a man, inside the school.
And are they the same man or 2 different men?
If it is true that someone was in the Horman truck, then it kind of eliminates the theory of a random abduction, doesn’t it?
jan says:
December 27, 2010 at 1:39 am
How many wierd twists and turns can there be?
If you think you’ve thought of everything, take a gander at redeyedtreefrog posts:
http://www.portlandparents.net/2010/06/14/kyron-horman/comment-page-1/#comment-1026
Nov. 11: …Terri had been searching for a hit man during 6-8 months before she sold Kyron…
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To date this is the most incredulous of all theories. My vote for Andy Stack Award.
7.puzzled says:
December 26, 2010 at 10:55 pm
I see the other side …
@puzzled- The other side of what?
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RE: Ned Kelly info. below. Did we ever determine if he was in custody and/or possibly a POI? He doesn’t show up on VINE or BOP.
Observant says:
August 26, 2010 at 10:38 pm
Blink, I don’t know where to send this but wanted to get the word out. I believe you have many readers from the Portland area. Hopefully LE will find him soon.
http://www.kptv.com/news/24777153/detail.html
WTF is this guy doing on parole in the first place?
B
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@beejay- Welcome back!
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GraceintheHills says:
December 25, 2010 at 2:46 pm
When I first became aware of this story, I thought is was likely that a serial pedophile took Kyron. I also wondered if this abduction was related to the Lindsey Baum abduction in Washington.
Any thoughts on this?
@Grace- Same thoughts as you for a long time now. She still hasn’t been found, I just cannot imagine what her family still goes through.
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Every day I see pictures of Kyron on the Missing Kyron FB page and I get tears in my eyes and a huge lump in my throat. I pray for answers soon. My heart just aches and I don’t think it will ever go away. Oh Kyron, you have touched my very soul, always and forever.
11.jan says:
December 27, 2010 at 1:39 am
How many wierd twists and turns can there be?
If you think you’ve thought of everything, take a gander at redeyedtreefrog posts:
http://www.portlandparents.net/2010/06/14/kyron-horman/comment-page-1/#comment-1026
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Yea … don’t know a about anybody else, but I can come up with my own crazy a** theories … don’t need no help.
From a lurker who really appreciates Blink and this site…maybe this has been mentioned, but perhaps the CSI t-shirt that Kyron was wearing could have been chosen because of its unique design…so much easier for an accomplice to identify than if he was wearing a plain design like those many of the other kids were probably wearing…
Things I wonder about
did someone walk Kyron to the bus stop in the mornings
was there other kids where he was picked up
as he was young to be waiting alone
puzzled says:
December 27, 2010 at 10:12 am
If it is true that someone was in the Horman truck, then it kind of eliminates the theory of a random abduction, doesn’t it?
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Wouldn’t the bus drivers have been at the school at around 9:45 to 10:00 AM when school officially started?
I thought according to TH’s timeline she was not at the school at that time so he truck would not have been there. .JMO
In the Ward Weaver case
he was having kids come in and wait for the bus in his house
could something like this be going on
@ puzzled says:
December 27, 2010 at 10:12 am
If it is true that someone was in the Horman truck, then it kind of eliminates the theory of a random abduction, doesn’t it?
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Hi puzzled: I guess that depends on who it was, why they were there, and whether or not TH knew they were there. Oh, and MCSO was looking for an adult “in or around” the white truck, so we also have to consider just the “around” possibility, as opposed to “in”. Much to consider. I like your bus drivers = witnesses thinking.
The bus driver at Ky’s stop that aftn is also a witness and no doubt was questioned a lot.
BTW, would it make any difference to anyone if Kaine had remembered some details wrong about that aftn, and he didn’t exactly meet the bus with TH?
Blink, Cbickel, Idahogal: Thanks for the welcome back. I’ll be gone again in a flash, but hope I’ll have the means to keep reading here, if not able to post.
I just can’t stay away from all the fun of the TSA personal-space-invasion. It’s the closest thing I’ve had to being groped by a stranger in DECADES!!
21.puzzled says:
December 27, 2010 at 10:12 am
If it is true that someone was in the Horman truck, then it kind of eliminates the theory of a random abduction, doesn’t it?
@puzzled- Excellent point.
Maybe it wasn’t the Horman truck, as we all have discussed a jillion times. Or what if Ky went out to the truck to get something and then went back into school? Did he see something while at the truck with an alleged mystery person in it? We just don’t know enough to draw any conclusions. I do agree with all of you that it is very likely one or more bus drivers saw something, that makes perfect sense.
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MockingbirdSings says:
December 24, 2010 at 7:27 pm
neighbor says:
December 24, 2010 at 1:46 pm
@Idahogal writes on December 24, 2010 at 10:03 am
@Nancy, @Rose, @neighbor, @Skyline parent, @ Any other Skyline locals –
.. I encourage you to see what you can do to arrange for this meeting and discussion as per Blink’s recommendation. ..
I would be interested, but we should be careful sharing the meeting time/place.
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In a meeting like this, how would it be handled if people start to get suspicious of someone who is there – perhaps SZ and/or wife or relative or accomplice who try to deny what is said or who seems unusually quiet? What if someone came just to see who knew what?
I can think of a lot of questions to be answered in setting up a meeting like this.
@MBS- Yes, you are so right. I don’t know how this could be done without a potential suspect or POI also being there unbeknownst to the others. I’m not a part the community up there so my presence would be very strange as well. I do agree the many questions could be answered, but as Rose said earlier it could also muddy the waters a bit as far as witness testimony for the DA. It’s up to the Blinkers living up there to decide if they wish to proceed and how to handle it.
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jan says:
December 25, 2010 at 6:15 pm
(snipped)
Blink,
Let’s go further back in the timeline.
The TH MFH plot was being cooked up in Winter 2009.
Who else was TH in contact with around that time? Any other MFH plots going on in area? Do locals know more about Cat Villarreal; was his untimely motorcycle death really an “accident?”
Any relations to
VILLARREAL, JULIO MONTELLIOS 2/25/1950
@Jan – I’ve done some research on the Villlarreals in the past and asked the same question about the motorcyle accident, LOL.
It didn’t go anywhere for me. Blink said AV is a hot mess and needs an intervention, LOL again. I will say that I would definitely like to know if the above referenced JM Villarreal is related to the Skyline clan. Maybe someone with a veromi account like beejay or kimberly could do a check on that? It would be much appreciated, because if they are related that could be a potential new lead for us.
At this point I’ll take anything new we can stumble upon, I’m just desperate here.
I don’t think Kaine would have forgotten if he was at the bus stop when he found out his son was missing..
26.beejay says:
December 27, 2010 at 2:02 pm
BTW, would it make any difference to anyone if Kaine had remembered some details wrong about that aftn, and he didn’t exactly meet the bus with TH?
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any one of these theories could spin around if we knew a little bit more about certain players.
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LOL … I just can’t stay away from all the fun of the TSA personal-space-invasion. It’s the closest thing I’ve had to being groped by a stranger in DECADES!!
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should I be hanging out at the airport, just for fun??? lol
24.cd says:
December 27, 2010 at 1:29 pm
my impression is … the buses were on a regular schedule that AM, just the SF was early.
Buses stopped and letting kids out and then turning around, watching for cars and people coming and going … pretty good eyeshot of what was happening in the parking lot. I would think.
Is there a description .. of the man outside at/around the truck and a description of the “chaparone”/man last seen with/near Kyh in the school? Or just one description trying to describe one or two men?
one man … two men … any of them hispanic? nope, probably not. that would be too easy. lol
Beejay, It would make a HUGE difference to me. I don’t consider meeting the bus on the day your son disappears, a detail. BTW, what other details was he wrong about?
23.beejay says:
December 27, 2010 at 2:02 pm
snip> BTW, would it make any difference to anyone if Kaine had remembered some details wrong about that aftn, and he didn’t exactly meet the bus with TH?
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CD, Months ago I asked about school start time and bus schedules and some Skyline parents responded that the bus schedule was not changed for the SF, the kids arrived around 8:30 – 8:35 am. I think that is about when the early bell rings, with the final bell ten minutes later at 8:45. This would have been the time all the kids gathered in their classroom and got in to their groups. If I am wrong, someone please correct me.
21.cd says:
December 27, 2010 at 1:29 pm
puzzled says:
December 27, 2010 at 10:12 am
If it is true that someone was in the Horman truck, then it kind of eliminates the theory of a random abduction, doesn’t it?
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Wouldn’t the bus drivers have been at the school at around 9:45 to 10:00 AM when school officially started?
I thought according to TH’s timeline she was not at the school at that time so he truck would not have been there. .JMO
@GraceintheHills
“@KR: I feel that if LE knew for sure who removed Kyron out of the school that morning, LE would have arrested that person by now.”
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Then they’d have to make a case with, perhaps, one witness against TH or whomever and no Kyron.
@cd says:
December 27, 2010 at 8:56 am
@KRfox says
(except, maybe, between TH and Dodo).
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“Is Dodo supposed to be a nickname for Dede?”
Yes. You really couldn’t tell? I thought everyone would get that one.
Sometimes the posts here are more like an acronym contest than anything resembling English. But, I’ll refrain from calling a likely player in the disappearance of a little boy any more bad names. Okay?
Please let me know what acronyms tripped you up, I will be glad to advise.
For example, with your rhetort, you may have wished to signal. *Snark Alert*
MCSO has publicly acknowledged updates wrt Spicher, while I think she is Biz to the Are, I think it is a stretch to call her a “likely player”.
B
Someone had a plan. Someone knew Ky.
Blinkers have gone over unanswered public questions. I hope MSCO has information to many scenarios.
Did dogs sniff around school storage closets, furnace, basement? What containers in school would be obvious to hide?
Does public know exactly what time Ky marked absent? If Porter thought he was in bathroom, then she did know he was at school.
Could TH have returned / pinged cell to/near school closer to noon, in MSCO benchmark times?
Was it determined if Ky &/or friends Cub Scout &/or if Boy Scouts were volunteers at school, when. Do we know what Church Community Hormans involved in?
Does anyone know if J. V.D. Moulton connects to T. Van D &/or his family tree?
Long-shot coincidental dots, some details perhaps irrelevant:
Jessica FB “friended” TH mother, C. Moulton, J.V.D.M. has a brother, friend a Latino connection, apparent some father estrangement along the way, husband’s ex=anger, traveled to Utah –friends in Mormon Community; and what was her June 4th post all about?
September 12 at 9:52 am via Mobile Web
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000962830584&sk=wall
RECENT ACTIVITY
Jessica and Carol Moulton are now friends. · Add Carol as Friend
Jessica Van Dyke Moulton
Hanging at theatre with my bro and kayla
June 30 at 10:46pm via Mobile Web
June 11 RECENT ACTIVITY
Jessica and Eduardo Reyes are now friends. · Add Eduardo as Friend
Jessica Van Dyke Moulton
I really hate being blown off at least when I say I’ll be somewhere I make sure that I’m there or at least have the respect to let someone know whats going on so they dont sit and wait forever UGH!!!! PISSES ME OFF!!!!!!
June 4 at 10:35pm
Jessica Van Dyke Moulton
my phone up and died…since I’m in UTAH…
May 23 at 5:52pm
MSCO didn’t want to tip off a suspect he is an actual suspect; could a suspect maybe be in jail already or already offender?
Thoughts?
FLGirl…Great post. IMO you’ve got it as right as anyone can without benefit of all LE knows and haven’t told yet, or an outright confession by a party to Kyron’s disappearance.
I’ve read here since mid June and admired everyone for so much research and so many well-considered theories. All with the ultimate goal of finding this little boy or at the very least, justice for him.
I’ve looked back, way back, but cannot find the post by someone here who has a lawyer friend in CA. When told of the known details of Kyron’s disappearance and possible MFH plot,the lawyer replied, “Looks like SM wants to be sole heir.” IIRC. This to me may shed light on the timing of a TH master plan. Kyron was about to leave for the Summer and if KH was going to fall victim to a terrible “accident” in the near future then his only other heir besides TH and Kitty needed to be gone first. I don’t recall ever hearing or reading of WHEN the MFH was to be carried out, just that it was discussed 6 or 7 months earlier.
KH life insurance, 401K, home, cars, possible settlement from PPS for “losing” Kyron, book and movie deals, lawsuits vs assorted LE and press entities (ala Blink’s Priority Lead #5) all add up to one heck of a financial motive.
I won’t rehash all of the SM’s dealings with other men in her life but it seems pretty clear she has no qualms about manipulating anyone and everyone for everything she can get for herself. Add to that the marital friction and disdain of little Kyron which has come to light recently.
I still can’t picture a sexual motivation involving Kyron but trying to remain at 25,000 ft. Sorry, I can’t get 30,000 ft. away from SM.
Suspect Zero is being described as the man seen with Kyron. Just a thought…how about a female accomplice in man’s coat, hair tucked up in a cap, some fake facial hair, mens glasses, work boots etc. Was this “guy” sorta stout and not too tall? This might fit with someone who was not at work where they claimed to be. Not naming any names, just sayin’.
As to the male chaperone, IIRC the only source of info on him is from TH’s flurry of CYA emails, FB and blog posts starting almost immediately after Kyron went missing.
All this is MOO and more MOO.
In June I placed a perfect red rose on the wall of hope. Next June when they bloom again, I hope to hand another perfect rose to a reunited Father and Son.
Thanks Blink and All.
Okay, I did some editing, sheesh…I’m such a bad student, give me a big fat D, LOL.
31.Idahogal says:
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December 27, 2010 at 2:40 pm
21.puzzled says:
December 27, 2010 at 10:12 am
If it is true that someone was in the Horman truck, then it kind of eliminates the theory of a random abduction, doesn’t it?
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@puzzled- Excellent point.
Maybe it wasn’t the Horman truck, as we all have discussed a jillion times. Or what if Ky went out to the truck to get something and then went back into school? Did he see something while at the truck with an alleged mystery person in it? We just don’t know enough to draw any conclusions. I do agree with all of you that it is very likely one or more bus drivers saw something, that makes perfect sense.
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MockingbirdSings says:
December 24, 2010 at 7:27 pm
neighbor says:
December 24, 2010 at 1:46 pm
@Idahogal writes on December 24, 2010 at 10:03 am
@Nancy, @Rose, @neighbor, @Skyline parent, @ Any other Skyline locals –
.. I encourage you to see what you can do to arrange for this meeting and discussion as per Blink’s recommendation. ..
I would be interested, but we should be careful sharing the meeting time/place.
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In a meeting like this, how would it be handled if people start to get suspicious of someone who is there – perhaps SZ and/or wife or relative or accomplice who try to deny what is said or who seems unusually quiet? What if someone came just to see who knew what?
I can think of a lot of questions to be answered in setting up a meeting like this.
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@MBS- Yes, you are so right. I don’t know how this could be done without a potential suspect or POI also being there unbeknownst to the others. I’m not a part the community up there so my presence would be very strange as well. I do agree the many questions could be answered, but as Rose said earlier it could also muddy the waters a bit as far as witness testimony for the DA. It’s up to the Blinkers living up there to decide if they wish to proceed and how to handle it.
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jan says:
December 25, 2010 at 6:15 pm
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Blink,
Let’s go further back in the timeline.
The TH MFH plot was being cooked up in Winter 2009.
Who else was TH in contact with around that time? Any other MFH plots going on in area? Do locals know more about Cat Villarreal; was his untimely motorcycle death really an “accident?”
Any relations to JMV?
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@Jan – I’ve done some research on the Villlarreals in the past and asked the same question about the motorcyle accident, LOL.
It didn’t go anywhere for me. Blink said AV is a hot mess and needs an intervention, LOL again. I will say that I would definitely like to know if the above referenced JMV is related to the Skyline clan. Maybe someone with a veromi account like beejay or kimberly could do a check on that? It would be much appreciated, because if they are related that could be a potential new lead for us.
At this point I’ll take anything new we can stumble upon, I’m just desperate here.
I definitely give you points for tenacity, can anyone that is not me help her out?
B
Agree, but I think this is where it might get murky as to which white truck they saw.
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13.puzzled says:
December 27, 2010 at 9:58 am
Bus drivers could be the witnesses.
LE has asked people to remember/confirm who was at the school until 12 pm on June 4th. Could this extended timeframe have anything to do with TMH’s unknown whereabouts until 11:39 am when she checked in at the gym?
Or, an entirely different thought…
Is it possible that someone who *should* have been at the school between 9 and 12, was not? In other words, the ABSENCE of someone may be what’s noteworthy.
@Idahogal: Are we finding conflicting info about Ned? Here’s what I just now found:
DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY JUSTICE SEX OFFENDER NOTIFICATION WEBPAGE
This Web site lists all predatory and other high-risk sex offenders who are currently on community supervision and are residing within the borders of Multnomah County, Oregon.
http://www.sunschools.org/Public/EntryPoint?sort=sex-offender-sex-offender-zip&ch=1d09d146a590c010VgnVCM1000003bc614acRCRD
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Do a word search by his last name. Or, scroll down near the bottom to find his photo, name, flier. Click on his flier to get the email of his community “justice” (hah!) supervisor. You can also find out his status anytime by phone (you need his SID number, which is on his flyer). Now, I know that’s just reassuring as all heck to you.
16.puzzled says:
December 27, 2010 at 9:58 am
23.enumclawrose says:
December 26, 2010 at 4:15 am
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/11/earlyshow/main6763247.shtml
At least two witnesses have told police they saw a second adult waiting in Terri Horman’s truck while she was with Kyron at his school science fair the day he disappeared. Investigators are looking for witnesses to confirm the claim and offer a valid description.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100455014.html
During the news conference, investigators also said they are hoping to hear from anyone who parked on the south side of the Skyline School parking lot – on the side closest to the road – on June 4.
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Bus drivers could be the witnesses.
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Do we know the location of the school where the buses park to drop
the kids off in the morning and then pick up in the afternoon???
Seems like a very small parking lot for buses to pull in and out of easily.
Video & Photo @ link~
Maintenance man accused of sexually abusing Tigard boy
“TIGARD, Ore. – A maintenance man is accused of sexually abusing a boy in Tigard and police think there may be more victims.”
http://www.kgw.com/news/Maintenance-man-accused-of-sexually-abusing-Tigard-boy-112500984.html
Photo @ link~
“Dayton teacher accused of having child porn …lives in Sherwood, was arrested Friday, District Superintendent Janelle Beers told KGW. He makes his first court appearance Monday.”
” …was placed on leave Sept. 29 when the district learned of an investigation that could lead to criminal charges.”
“Counselors will be available when school resumes Jan. 3 at Dayton High School after a teacher was accused of possessing child porn.”
“He had been under investigation by Sherwood police and the Washington County Sheriff’s Office.”
“His home computer was seized and a forensic examination of his personal computer led to discovery of child porn, said Sherwood police spokesman Jim Reed.”
“An indictment charged him with four counts of first-degree encouraging child sex abuse and 11 counts of second-degree encouraging child sex abuse. He was being held in the Washington County Jail on $140,000 bail.”
http://www.kgw.com/news/Dayton-teacher-accused-of-having-child-porn-112481404.html
Beejay: Good catch with Kim at the mall with her wallet busting with gift cards. Thats the gal as far as I can tell. (Age 50).
@CD: I would imagine it would be darned near impossible to get a bus company to reschedule pickups/dropoffs for one school when very often (at least around here) they go from one school to the next in the mornings and afternoons (ie HS, then Middle, then elementary).
I would *think they would have regular dropoff and pickup times.
JMHO
I keep thinking about a few things:
1. This is the only reputable site where I’m reading about a witness and a Subject Zero from someone I consider credible (Blink)
2. This is the only reputable site where I’ve read that Kyron definitely didn’t leave with TH and this was stated by someone I consider credible (Blink)
3. Blink has some seriously good sources
4. Blink has been respectful of those sources and shares only information she feels can be shared without compromise to those sources
5. Blink would not put this investigation at risk by sharing information that she was asked not to share so
6. Blink must have received the go-ahead for sharing.
These are all jmoos obviously, but since we’re talking about someone with stellar IT skills, is there a chance that the stellar IT skill SZ is visiting here regularly and Blink has been asked to let stellar IT skill person know what the status is or maybe TH know? I’m trying to find another reason why info has been shared here that Blink feels comfortable sharing but that hasn’t been shared on other sites. Other sites and interviews have eluded to the idea of a witness seeing someone near the truck, seeing Kyron near the truck, but this is the only place I’ve seen #1 and #2 on list above so clearly stated and I’d think from what I’ve observed of the media, they’d be plastering the witness stuff all over the news if they could. But they aren’t. Obviously I don’t know you, Blink, but from what I’ve observed since June, you wouldn’t be sharing info willy-nilly just to build up your blog, so there’s got to be another reason, and I’ve been thinking about what that reason might be…
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@Beejay: re: “BTW, would it make any difference to anyone if Kaine had remembered some details wrong about that aftn, and he didn’t exactly meet the bus with TH?”
Why do you ask? Do you know something I don’t know? (well, you know lots of things I don’t know actually, but I’m speaking specifically here
) My answer is that I don’t know if it would make a “difference”, but I would be interested in knowing the details, how they were determined/confirmed so that I could make a fair assessment for myself as to validity/veracity, and actual details were confirmed. I still have faith in LE that if KH were involved in any way other than accidentally letting the vampire in, then they would not be sharing so much with him, but I know that others feel differently, and I’m always interested in hearing, another side, and regardless of that, anything that might shed some add’l light on what happened to Kyron, I would welcome.
18.Satori says:
September 21, 2010 at 11:39 am
Blink,
Do you believe there is a possibility that a Skyline employee is involved?
Not in my personal opinion, no.
B
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Blink,
Has your opinion changed?
cd says:
December 27, 2010 at 1:29 pm
Wouldn’t the bus drivers have been at the school at around 9:45 to 10:00 AM when school officially started?
I thought according to TH’s timeline she was not at the school at that time so he truck would not have been there.
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cd:
My understanding is the buses arrived at their normal time (approximately 8:35) and that classes began at 8:45 as they always do – the only difference being that students formed touring groups shortly after classes began to tour the fair from 9-10.
Kaine’s truck should have been there when buses arrived, according to TH’s timeline.
Terri is withdrawing her request to see her daughter.
http://www.kval.com/news/local/112506339.html
Honestly, as a mother, I don’t get this. I understand from a legal standpoint why she is doing this. IF someone tried to keep me from seeing my son, I would be screaming and doing everything possible to see my son. My child matters the most to me, forget all the material items that I own.
PDXRichie says “Odd it is said about half way through in this interview with Kim Holm that she wasn’t at the school. But her name is on the list that law enforcement released as being there… ..”
The time window expanded from 8-10am to 8-noon
@21. Cd. Despite Fair, school began at the second bell (845?). Buses would have followed regular drop off times. That schedule should be published & available from PPS.
I apologize if this has already been posted but I thought this was interesting. The owner of Brook Hills Historic Church wrote this article regarding the media and law enforcement soon after Kyron disappeared. As you know the church is next to Kyron’s school.
http://srnpdx.org/events-brooks-hill-historic-church