Morgan Harrington Murder Two Years Cold, Amanda Knox Update: Blink, Clint Van Zandt Live With Dana Pretzer (PODCAST UPDATED)
LISTEN TO THE PODCAST HERE
Morgan Harrington disappeared from John Paul Jones arena two years ago Monday October 17, 2011.
Morgan was found murdered in a remote section of a 700 acre farm in North Garden, VA, where she went undetected previously for three months.
Blink, Editor In Chief, www.blinkoncrime.com discusses the SAVE THE NEXT GIRL campaign developed and launched by her parents, Dr. Dan Harrington and Gil Harrington along with other scheduled advocacy events in observation of the two year anniversary of her disappearance and murder; which remains unsolved.
A Preview: Morgan Harrington Murder: Two Women, Two Locations, Two Years- Too Long. (Publishing tomorrow)
As you have come to expect, Blink and team take a closer look into the investigation of Morgan’s murder.
Blink analyzes the ties to the unsolved Fairfax rape and assault, the participation of the Law Enforcement agencies involved, concerns about some of the UVA contractor and employee access and asks the question nobody wants to:
Was the Enemy From Within?
Clint Van Zandt, NBC analyst and former FBI profiler discusses the release of Amanda Knox and murder of Meredith Kercher from his former on scene perspective. Clint was inside the house in Perugia, and shares his experience with out host, Dana Pretzer.
Previous coverage:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/10/14/inspiring-vigilance-the-murder-of-morgan-harrington-one-year-later/
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/10/03/amanda-knox-free-from-perugia-prison-by-appeal-verdict/
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You recently told me I was force.
You are making great things happen from tragedy. I believe you’re the F5 to be reckoned with, sweet friendLY. I’m honoured and blessed to be a witness. <3 <3 <3
PS…I believe, heart and soul, Morgan's murderer will be caught and punished. You are closer than you think.
2 4 1 to the Harrington Family, from Alberta, Canada. We can feel her love all the way from here~
Many thanks to you dear FriendLY
I agree, I think we are closer than we think.
B
Our beloved Blink- Thank you for the update! I knew you were working on this. My prayers to the Harringtons and kuddos for this new campaign and awareness of looking out for the next girl…
I look forward to hearing the show Blink.
So many people have not given up hope and you deserve some of the credit for that-
To all the posters who refuse to stay silent and who each day, keep Morgans threads moving thank you
To The Harringtons- my continued prayers and thanks for your advocacy to ensure rgw safety of “the next girl”
Blink and team as always, thanks for your hard work and determination
AJMO
Bravo and well said. Thank you for your continued advocacy in Morgan’s case.
There is a rapist and killer living among the good people of Charlottesville, that is a reality and that makes the young women there sitting ducks, imo.
B
Love you, Blink.
. . . but I can hardly wait for WM3 update.
I mourn for Chris, Michael and Stevie.
It hurts my heart and I can’t stop looking.
Will get there and thank you.
I am only one Blink, lol
B
I am having trouble getting a connection to the radio broadcast. I will have to listen when the link is moved to this site.
There needs to be a huge publicity campaign at every university across the USA about what happens to girls and young women when they and their friends are not totally vigilent. With help from families like the Harrington’s maybe it can be accomplished.
I have always thought that this was an inside job by a perp who works as a security person. I don’t know where the State of Virginia legislature stands with regards to taking any assault, missing persons or murder case out of the jurisdiction of campus police and placing it into the hands of a special squad of the State Police. IMO this needs to be done in every state.
This is not the 1930′s and 40′s where there was more supervision of young women to protect them. Today, they are treated as if they can behave the same as the guys. With the drug and alcohol culture at every college and university, we place all young women at college in danger by allowing this ugly behavior to continue.
The parents and grandparents need to make a decision to put a stop to co-ed dorms and to teach respect of women to all young men.
Just maybe, after two years there may be some progress. My prayers to the Harrington’s. May GOD lead them in a meaningful way and give them peace.
Thank you Blink and all that you do to find justice for those whose lives were taken by criminals.
Klaasend took over the podcast posting and it usually up in a few hours after broadcast these days thankfully, she does not mess around, lol. I will update when it is posted.
Thank YOU for your advocacy and insight, which I hope parents will take seriously, as well as our youth, it is necessary.
B
I just read on CNN justice that recent remains have been found in Utah desert. Hope u will ck. it out. Cadaver dogs discovered the remains.
Hello Blink-
Long time no post, though have been an avid reader. Scraping out of the woodwork on this eve of Morgan’s murder and wishing with all a resolution to this horror.
I was disappointed to hear you say VSP is expected to report no progress in Morgan’s case. Though, I don’t know if I would expect any other stance at this point. I am wondering if there is any activism going on in Fairfax other than what the Harrington’s have brought forward? I cringe at the thought that there may potentially be less than stellar employees into the mix, but I am sure that can be true of many places and organizations we take for granted.
I look forward to your newest installment, hoping some info will come to the surface to spark a bit of recognition to someone, anyone, brave enough to make the all important anonymous call.
Thanks for all you do and to those that keep the light burning for Morgan. Eloise
Nice to see you Eloise!
I actually said that VSP is not going to report any NEW information in Morgan’s case, and they will be releasing a statement on Monday, but they advised us today as the media is beginning their “commemorative” coverage on her case. Does that mean no progress? Yes, in a 2 year old case with all the thoughts I discussed on Dana’s show tonight, I would say it is the same disappointment.
I hope our new piece, which has had all BOC editors starting fires with both ends of their midnight oil
(indulge me, that is a reference to a dear colleague that mashes up every standby saying ever, who knew- I thought it was “hell in a handbag”?)
Thanks again
B
thank you for posting the link to “save the next girl” i found the facebook page and sent it out to all of my friends. also wondering what your thoughts are on lisa irwin but i’m not sure where to post that question!
Unfortunately I have not had time to cover baby Irwin, but I have every faith in LE, and unfortunately, I expect the mom, Deb Bradley, to be indicted in the disappearance of her daughter.
B
Is the VSP press release related to ongoing investigation? Or a response to commemoration? Just wondering if its substantial or part of a media/pr thing.
Also just wanted to finish my thoughts on AF access, this is a rough and potential slanderous sketch so please nobody take it as a bad profile on certain groups etc:
The terrain (farms including AF) was policed by assigned hunters/recreants, who by proxy had a say over who comes and goes (walking around with a gun). Spotlighting and shooting animals on private property they officially have no right to be on. I think through (waldemar drive) you can just drive up to the area.
The owners of the large farms have a limited relationship with those overseers which is based on resgination that its impossible to keep trespassers out. Its important to realize that this not something they do because they like trespassers or having (amateur) overseers.
Also important is to realize that for animals and hunters something like property lines or jurisdictions is totally unimportant an ‘ invention’ . So AF itself would be random it could have been a neighbouring farm.
Ok
We know the killer felt at ease in these circumstances. Sketch is African American and locally known?? Also the VSP statement said ‘ somehow she came in contact with Sketch at a certain time’ is so vague that I wonder how much of a suspect he is.
So who would feel at home in the dark in a fielded and forested area and was known or seen by the overseers or recreants?
sorry for the incoherent thoughts and if it seems off track just trying to finish my own thoughts. Blessings to the Harringtons and the Blinksters that keep hanging in there for Morgan!
Blink @ 10:12pm:
“I actually said that VSP is not going to report any NEW information in Morgan’s case, and they will be releasing a statement on Monday, but they advised us today as the media is beginning their “commemorative” coverage on her case. Does that mean no progress? Yes.”
Sigh.
A Texas Grandfather – I have a question about your comment.. what does it mean when you say – “This is not the 1930′s and 40′s where there was more supervision of young women to protect them. Today, they are treated as if they can behave the same as the guys. With the drug and alcohol culture at every college and university, we place all young women at college in danger by allowing this ugly behavior to continue.”?
I’ve read a lot of what you’ve said on blinkoncrime and think you’re obviously someone who cares a lot and, like Blink said, your advice is valuable. So, I really don’t mean any disrespect.
But – what do you mean? “This is not the 1930′s and 40′s where there was more supervision of young women to protect them”. What kind of supervision are you suggesting? Morgan was an adult – who needed to supervise her? Her parents? An older male relative or friend to defend her? She went to a concert with her friends. She was close and in regular contact with her family. I’m certainly not, at all, blaming Morgan for what happened to her. She and her friends could have made better decisions that could have possibly saved Morgan’s life. But, is that really due to a lack of supervision? Lack of maturity perhaps. But, at one point does someone needed to stop being “supervised”? I think we, understandably, largely associate Morgan with being a daughter – with being someone’s child. But, she wasn’t a child- she was an adult.
And, when you say “we place all young women at college in danger by allowing this ugly behavior to continue” – whose ugly behavior are you referring to? Young women or young men? People on drugs and alcohol? Drugs and alcohol aren’t gender specific. I hope no young adult engages in risky behavior. It’s nothing to do with behaving the “same as the guys”. What behavior are you suggesting is “the same as the guys”?
But, it leaves a real distaste in my mouth to suggest that a 20 year old woman needs supervision. And, yes, I think young women need to be more aware of their surroundings and the dangers of the world and the people to choose to associate in and around. However, saying they need supervision suggests to me that they aren’t capable of making decisions for themselves. In the 30’s and 40’s most women wouldn’t have been in college – they would have been married and raising children or well on their way to being married.
I agree that the drug and alcohol culture is a terrible thing.. it destroys so many lives in so many ways. Young men, old men, old women, young women, etc are all susceptible to the dangers of being involved or around a drug and alcohol culture. It is rampant on college campuses but that is far from only place that these situations exist. Being the typically smaller and weaker of the sexes does leave women vulnerable but that’s true if you are 20 or 50. Add alcohol/ drugs and a rapist/criminal/murderer into the mix and it’s always bad news – nothing to do with supervising young women. And, I think it does a disservice to young women to suggest that supervision by an older adult or male is the answer. Teaching young women to make better and smarter choices – being more aware of inherent dangers is a great thing (part of what I assume HelpSaveTheNextGirl.com is about). But, that won’t mean that a woman is never raped or killed – just as all young women weren’t able to be protected in the 30’s and 40’s.
Sorry, but maybe I’m misunderstanding you but your post rubbed me the wrong way. Again though – I say it with all due respect.
After 2 yrs, LE should release all the info that they have. At this point, what do you have to lose. If she was drinking or using drugs, who cares. I still want to hear what the friends had to say. I have never been satisfied with their actions. Who lets their friend stay outside the arena, when it is her car that was out there. So you miss the concert, its not the end of the world. “No better love, than a man, who gives his life for a friend” Its not like a life would not have been required, just a little caring. I don’t know how they live with themselves.
Dancing with the Convicts! Hilarious
“…don’t they normally wear shackles?” (Blink)
“Call it the Two-Step Shuffle…”(Dana)
Thanks, Blink and Company, for the energy to bring “good out of evil.”
Wait.
Blink said Morgan’s car was parked “in the garage.”
Is this correct?
Once I figured out who (or who I think) killed Morgan, I
slacked off on the research.
I hope Blink keeps hammering home the access to students by security companies and UVA employees–we need UVA accountability!
Save the next girl….ON IT, Blink.
WG
lol, I knew someone would catch that! I meant that there was a garage near her, her car was parked in Uhall.
B
Rob…..
I must say I totally agree with you. I would hope that if I was ever locked out of an event and alerted my “friends” that i’d just “find a ride home” that they would insist on missin the show and coming to my aid. Also, If someone had her ticket stuff in their purse inside, why not just meet up with security and explain it belongs to a friend that stepped out and try to get her back in?? Unless Ive misunderstood somewhere down the line.
-Bam
**stubb!
oops, correction!
I’ve attended lots of rock concerts… even recently.. and have never had this happened…. Someone may be on to something when they say “inside job”.
I may be confused on WHERE she went to the restroom…. but in an arena i’ve been in the restrooms are outside the stage and seating area where concessions are…. you come and go to those areas as u please… Can anyone tell me where I have this wrong?
Love to all!!
Bam
I have been waiting for an update on Morgan…or should I say Morgan’s case/killer. I don’t understand how LE can’t find this person.
Shake the rugs!! Shake the rugs!! He’s under there somewhere and needs to be punished.
Great show!!! It was so nice to hear you Blink. I will hear it one more Time at the weekend to better understand all it had been said:-)
Thank you kindly.
B
OperaRach
I will try to answer your question in a meaningful way. First I have no idea of your age. I lived in the 1930′s and 40′s so I know first hand how society protected young women. If you were born after 1970 you do not have anything except recent experience to help you understand.
First of all, Morgan was not yet twenty-one years of age. This does not allow her to be legally responsible for herself. She could not legally buy alcohol nor could she vote. This is typical of most college students for the first three years.
In several states, including Texas, a married woman until 1970 was considered property of her husband. She could not make contracts or be held responsible for her acts. If she was not married, she was property of her father and mother until age twenty-one.
Society did not allow young women to wear pants in public prior to the mid 1940′s. Young women were not allowed to travel alone or go to certain events without being in a large group or accompanied by an adult male.
The major changes in societies acceptance of the current behaviors for young men and young women began in the 1960′s. If you depend on history books to tell you about this, it will not be found. The only way is go back and look through old newspaper archives.
One thing that women must come to understand and deal with is: some men resented the new freedom allowed women. They would not help or protect them in any way. Thus the term “male chauvanist pig”. This is what needs to change in the behavior of men. The current idea of “well you are now responsible for yourself and you got yourself into trouble, why should I go out of my way to help you”, is IMO totally wrong. Each of us is responsible for ourselves and each other. If someone is in trouble and you can help, it should be given. Often it is not, because it is considered interfearing with anothers rights.
Society used to shun people who were involved in alcohol and drugs. They had a hard time in society because it was considered unacceptable behavior. This puts both young women and men in danger.
There are plenty of criminals out there that just wait to find a person unable to sense danger and unable to defend themselves because of alcohol or drug abuse.
Getting stoned or “dead drunk” also affects the brain cells. Alcohol will temperarily affect the brain cells, but other drugs will actually kill them. College students need all the brain cells to work as intended.
Bam
The use of the term “inside job” does not refer to a location. It is an expression to indicate that people in charge of something are involved in a bad or criminal activity. In the case of Morgan, I believe that there are security people hired for protection of patrons at the JPJ Arena that are involved in Morgan’s abduction and murder.
Morgan Harrington can be very proud of her family and my heart goes out to them and of course to poor Morgan herself. This animal must be caught and caged and we will persist and succeed along with LE, keep the faith, my only hope is that there are no further victims.
Love you Blink! x
xoxo
B
When this case first began I often posted here but haven’t recently. On the 2 yr anniversary I find myself wondering once again what happen to Morgan and who killed her. I never believed there was a connection to the person in that sketch (fairfax case). Always felt it was someone who was very familiar with the farm on which she was found.
Well there is a forensic link to Sketch, so Morgan was in contact with him, that is indisputable.
B
ATG:
In Virginia, one can vote at the age of eighteen, and one can drive at the age of sixteen. Morgan was an adult when she was murdered. She did not require “supervision” by a man. In fact, I would submit that there are significantly more murders of women as a result of domestic violence than random stranger abduction. I am unsure of your point and perhaps it is a cultural and generational difference; however, the solution to violence against women is not returning to the days of legal, financial and emotional shackles.
I had a concern that ATG post would be taken out of context, I say very respectfully. He does not need me to defend him, but I do think a bit of clarification-
What ATG offered in terms of generational background is true, he did not say it was right, he is simply providing his observations over the years. I agree with you and he, that we must teach our children to be responsible for their own safety, and not reliant on any person, male, female, etc, but I do expect that the level of security match the level of risk.
B
BLINK!! The suspense is killing me!
2 4 1
Kudos for your tireless efforts to bring justice in this case. Only a select few know the full extent of your quest.
And to yours, thank you.
B
If Yeardley Love had a 280-pound left tackle friend from the football team bagging out on her couch when George Huguely kicked in her door things would have worked out somewhat differently.
just sayin’….
Wasn’t Morgan trying to be somewhat responsible (under the circumstances of course) by staying close to the Basketball Players and asking them for assistance? It appears to me she was seeking out people she could associate with, which is logical when you are alone, assimilate into a group that is familiar/known to you. She did refuse offers from strangers (except the Kickee, if you believe him). The truth is, if just one would have stepped up and made sure she wasn’t left alone in a vulnerable state/environment, she would probably be alive today, which is sad considering the amount of effort to do so would not have been that significant.
dda
If you will read carefully my post you will see that I did not say all states had laws and social mores that were so restrictive of the behavior of young people.
What you may not know is many states have tried to allow the age of eighteen to be the point where one was considered an adult. This has all failed. Texas tried allowing young people to buy alcohol at age eighteen. The result was so much public intoxication and many more auto accidents and deaths, that the legislature soon rescinded the law.
New York state for instance allows young people to drive at age sixteen as long as it is daylight hours. They must wait for the age of twenty-one in order to drive after dark.
While you may consider a college student and adult, most adults have come to realize that they are learning to be an adult. Some make it while in college, but some never become a full adult. I have seen and interacted with people who are fifty years of age and they are not in my opinion an adult.
Youth always want to be able to “do their thing”. It is a part of growing up. Take a good hard look at the mess on Wall Street and how these people behave. This is not adult behavior. It is IMO immature baby behavior. This is totally unacceptable to me. Yes, I believe in the right to assemble and make protests, but that does not give us the right to trash the public parks and engage in a behavior that prevents others from exercising their freedom.
In the 1960′s there were many changes to the behavior of society. This created a much needed environment for the empowerment of women. Humans are not perfect, and because of this imperfection society is not able make large changes without some mistakes. History tells us that it takes between five and seven generations to absorb changes of that magnatude. We are only two generations along that path.
We have a long way to go.
In the meantime, IMO we as a society need to make some corrections to the behavior of our youth. We have taught a culture of self esteem that is unearned. This will have to change. Life is not fair. We as humans must come to understand that it is by our decisions that we succeed or fail. Good decisions are learned by experience. Everyone learns from failure. If we don’t allow failure to occur, then we have cheated those protected ones out of an opportunity to learn and grow.
ATG: Thanks for offering your perspective. Like I said – I meant no disrespect. For what it is worth – I’m 35. So, no, I didn’t experience things like you described first hand. However, I will say that two of my grandparents are still alive and I was lucky enough to have one of my grandfathers and my great-grandmother alive until I was an adult. While I didn’t experience what you are stating first hand I am aware of the viewpoint, especially being from the south.
The thing is – I think that we as a society and as a people need to be vigilant and more caring towards others. I don’t think “political correctness” precludes that. I don’t have a daughter but I do have a son and I fully intend to raise him with that type of ideals – about helping out others and looking out for them. However, I really fear for girls if they aren’t taught to look out and stand up for themselves. I don’t see anything wrong with saying to a young man or woman – look out for your family and friends. However, young women are their own best advocates. It is important that they know when they are putting themselves into a dangerous situation and to have the strength to get themselves out. Yes, some of them will still be loss. Morgan was a legal adult – she could marry, sign a contract, vote, join the army – she just couldn’t drink legally. And, maybe it’s my age and where I am in my life but to suggest a legally competent adult needs supervision sounds patronizing. Either you are a competent adult or you aren’t.
I do understand where you are coming from and can appreciate what you are saying. However, please understand too – you don’t exactly relate to the current world they way I do either. I believe you when you say that some men resented the new freedom allowed women. However, in my generation I’ve not experienced that resentment – at least not in the way you’re describing it. And, frankly, I worry about young women who aren’t taught to rely on themselves – as I stated earlier they are their own best advocates to keep themselves out of dangerous situations. At any rate – I think we can both agree that young people need to be more mindful of the type of situations they are putting themselves in by their activities and associations. And, that people should look out for each other more. How many more lives would have been saved if people caught the warning signs of the danger they were in?
And, I do think drinking and drugs and the culture that surrounds them is extremely dangerous. I can’t tell you how much my life and those of my family and friends have been damaged by someone using drugs or drinking. And, in my opinion, is one of the biggest issues we face as a society. Drug/alcohol use leads to so many bad decisions and heartbreak – nothing good comes out of it.
Anyways – best to you all. And, I think that HelpSaveTheNextGirl.com sounds like a great organization and will do a lot of good.
OFF TOPIC ~ but Valhall has a great piece today. Terri Horman’s lawyers delayed her case again. WTF!! http://www.hinkymeter.com
I have been wondering about Kyron every day…sigh.
George
You are so right about the football player. That is one case that should never have happened.
You very well point out what my generation did in regards to young men who treated women as did Hugley. It would never have reached that point. Several of the guys would have taken Hugeley out for a special conversation. He would have been told to leave this young woman alone or he would be taken somewhere by a group and they would beat the guy so bad he would not have been able to play sports.
In addition, the coach would have been informed by the other players that they would no longer play on a team where he was present.
You got that right, George – ah…. that would have been soooo much fun to watch….. Huguely would have been a big carpet stain.
Somewhere in Albermarle County, there is someone who knows what happened that night. I don’t. But I think you do. How do you sleep? How do you look in the mirror? Do you have children? What kind of low life keeps this a secret? Does it make you feel big and powerful?
It’s time to man up and make it right. God have mercy on your soul, if you still have one.
While we all anxiously await Blink’s new article, I thought I would jump in on the discussion of young women.
I think I agree with both ATG, Opera & dda. The problem imo, arises that not all young adults reach the matured adult level at the same pace or chronological time. Having a daughter a few months older than Morgan, I can attest to the maturation process she has undergone. She is not intellectually the same person she was when we dropped her off to college, despite the fact she was of age and scholastically ready to do so. Their ( freshmen as an ex.) priority and world is completely evolved on friends, fun, fashion and self. Basically stating, the top 10 list does not include scary men, abduction and murder. As much as I would like to think all I relate to her about these points learned here at BOC and elsewhere, she will only prioritize at her own pace. She at one time mentioned to me that I was scaring the crap out of her and to stop trying to ruin her life. Well, that was about 3 yrs ago. Now she wears pink mace on a ring, in the car, notes weirdos all over etc. Morgan I am sure had all those tools and more, but whether they were in the forefront of her thinking that night, (including the friends who were all displaying selfish behavior),
imo, we will never know. And at the same time, we obviously had some (men) who, for whatever reason only developed in the physical sense, out scavenging the community just waiting for any opportunity that arose. So, I agree the added presence of police, security, lighting etc, all in some small way act as a chaperone to those that may have needed it. Actually, if it were this perp(s) preference, older women or young boys are just as likely to become victimized if the right assailant is present.
So, in my too long of a comment, I think if we were able to neatly package all of our thoughts & molded a society it might be a more perfect world for all, minus the creeps that will be, despite all the prevention we can ever muster.
@ATG
I cannot keep quiet about this one. Things were not so great for women and children in your day either. Women were beaten by their husbands, who were often cops. Children were beaten and molested. Nothing was done about it.
Everything was swept under the rug, and no one would listen to the children or the women, who, yes, were considered the property of the male. As long as the abuse was happening in the home, people minded their own business. I do not know what idylic world you grew up in, but most people have their stories to tell. Most had no help, even if they did tell their stories. They were told to go back to abusive spouses by ministers, and police did not help when they were called. I have lived in USA and Canada. The stories are the same…different places and names. Protection? Who was protecting them? Just where did you live? I have lived in North and South USA, and East to West Canada…same stories of abuse.
So, IMO women and children are better off to-day. They have a voice at least, (Blink and Nancy Grace and JVM, and are being taught that they do not have to put up with the crap dished out by the male species. Yes, they have sex, and party and have the same rights as the men. Yes, that is good.
I find it hard to believe that it has been 2yrs since the disappearance/death of Morgan. I often wonder how many other women this monster has taken, and we don’t know yet because their bodies haven’t been found or by the time someone did find them there was no evidence left. I wonder if this monster moves around from state to state every so often to stay ahead of LE. To me it seems like Morgan was chance happening. I have thought of him more as a planner type, especially since they found her in a out of the way nobody goes there kinda field. I hope this guy gets caught before he does it again, but my faith is shaken since there has been no news. I am glad that Morgan parents launched Saving the Next Girl. They are absolutely dedicated wonderful parents and I am sure Morgan is watching them with a proud smile on her face.
These violent people are different
what do we win when we beat them at their own game? Who have you become then? Its LE task to do that.
It kinda brings me to a deeper thought on the AF area and the owners relationship with the trespassers. TGF said:
that does not give us the right to trash the public parks and engage in a behavior that prevents others from exercising their freedom.
Its a different context yet still:
Imagine if your a budhist (the scrolls?) or anti hunting or even want a silent retreat in Abemarle county expensive real estate, yet there will be gunshots and trespassers. Dead animals dragged on your terrain, parties etc. Something the owners had to comprimise on. I think some would have no problems with it while others put up fences, signs etc.
The killer (might be Sketch we dont know) was one of those people, uninvited.
He either annoyed the farmers (trespasser)
or had an agreement to police a section of land that would otherwise be completely overrun (overstating)
or had business there (employee)
a complete stranger to the area is out of the question
or there is more than one perp, accomplice, or a more linear connection
B
@ATG:
As a 42 year old female lawyer, I find your comments indicative of a mindset that is not prevalent here in Charlottesville. In addition, 18 is the age when a person becomes legally emancipated from his/her parents. Thus a person is an adult at that age, which is why they can serve in the armed forces at 18. As for maturity, that is a different issue and not always related to age.
dda- I am very interested in what your opinion is of the female mindset in Cville if you would not mind sharing.
And
Where are my manners, welcome to BOC
B
John
You have a valid point about the home. My whole comments were related to the protection of young women and men outside the home at public events.
This has always been a problem with men and women in the home. I know a lot about that because the father of one of playmates as a child was a police officer. He would provide transportation for several from school on rainy days. He always had the police radio operational. Many times I heard a call for help from a woman that was being mistreated by her husband. Today it could be a husband or a boyfriend. Few lived together without marriage when I was a child.
Thank GOD for the changes in acceptable behavior that have occured in my lifetime. It is far from perfect, but much improved.
Yes, I believe that young women should take as much responsibility for their safety as they are able. I also believe that each of us are responsible to care for others and should do so when it is needed.
It doesn’t matter where one lives. Domestic abuse still occurs.
Although I live in Virginia and love the state, I am very disappointed and ashamed that more has not been done to find the shiny girl’s killer. Someone out there knows something- why can’t they do the right thing? Surely this killer does not live in a complete vacuum. I, like others believe maybe security of some sort-like rent-a-cops?
Elosie
So glad to see your post. Your description of your daughters development is exactly what happens when parents take the time to educate them about the real world in which they will live. They are often reluctant to take a hard look at reality when it is first presented. As they mature, mom and dads cautions and instructions finally sink in when they are ready for the lesson.
Wait a few more years and she will come to you to thank you for all that you have done to help her reach her full potiential. I can tell you from experiencing this from six of our own plus five of the six that we cared for that were not ours, it is a wonderful moment.
I think dda — if she’s the same dda — is not new to BOC. IIRC, we had a discussion one time about the similarities between Morgan’s case and the Dail Dinwiddie case in Columbia, SC. I’ve always thought the dda stood for deputy DA. I didn’t know she was in Charlottesville though! Cool.
Once teenagers and 20-somethings reach college they are considered adults by the school and the school does not share information about the student with the parents unless the student signs a waiver. Parents are discouraged from trying to “hover” over their young men and women (ref. the term *helicopter parents*). At least that has been our experience.
I think we should all look out for our neighbor no matter the gender, race, political or religious affiliation.
Thank you for the welcome–I have only posted a few other times (I am the power line person from months ago). At the risk of over-generalizing, many women here tend to be very educated, progressive (this is a very liberal town), independent, fit/outdoorsy, and entrepreneurial. (I actually think this description applies to many of the men here as well). Although independence is a great quality, and one I would never surrender, such independence has at times put me in harm’s way potentially (flashback to leaving a bar in DC when I was 18 because I was ready to go home and no one else was; and thereafter walking alone through Southeast DC at 3 am to get to my car–not one of my brighter ideas). Even at night, the short walk across Copeley bridge would seem relatively harmless and yet what an ill-fated journey it was for Morgan. I think this case has struck a chord with me because it is so easy to identify with her…and to imagine all the ways her path could have been mine or my path could have been hers.
i took atg’s comment to mean “the supervisors” of the event, making sure women and children,make it to their car/home safely,thats what they are there for.
“A Preview: Morgan Harrington Murder: Two Women, Two Locations, Two Years- Too Long. (Publishing tomorrow)”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/10/12/morgan-harrington-murder-two-years-cold-amanda-knox-update-blink-clint-van-zandt-live-with-dana-pretzer/#comments
Any idea on when tomorrow will come? i’m checking back obsessively.
We have had some server issues by our carrier last night, and we are cautiously optimistic it has been handled, at the absolute latest, we go live Sunday evening. I appreciate everyone’s patience. As regularly happens when coordinating commemorative pieces, it requires running down fresh leads, and fact checking even old facts, lol.
You will let me know if you think it worth the wait I hope.
B
Truly a real tragedy, of all people the murder of a blonde should take priority.
Let me understand this correctly-
You consider yourself and advocate for Meredith Kercher, not for Amanda Knox, and you make a comment like that of a murdered girl because of her hair color?
What the hell is your deal- who would ever say such a monsterous thing?
B
Your Finito.
B
Lembo- You bit off more than you can chew, and that is saying a lot, considering.
B
Ouch Blink I dont envy the though decisions you need to make.
How ironic Esther, considering the ‘ help save the NEXT girl’ initiative.
About protection against evil:
Women are the ones fighting for their country, protecting their children daily and are very much able to defend themselves. The real problem is being aware and vigilant. Do you even want to be? Is there still joy left when you r paranoid? (overstating again). When I look around too many people live in fear, of what?
Again I d hope the governments protect us :-/
When you look at the ‘ great’ religions their only goal is for 48% of the people to control the other half. From being barred from inheritance up to choosing who to live with and even what to eat. This way a woman could never have any realworld power. Luckily things changed.
I just saw a short film about young Afghan women going to a boxing school and competing. They can more then handle themselves the real problem is threaths against their families for allowing the girls to do what they want. There is a very real risk they will be punished or worse.
Its an angle I believe Walker always emphasized but I don t believe Morgan ran into someone with an agenda based on some ‘holy’ text.
Truth be told its scary how many people (man women children) worldwide have to deal with being told what to do out of fear for ex communication and worse.
On a positive note: We can still discuss whatever the @&@#)* we want on a public forum without being shut down and thats real progress.
Now back to finding the killer!
At a very basic level, the fact that a man with ill intent, in general, will be able to physically overpower a woman easily. That is just reality. As i said on the radio show the other evening, the best protection that we can provide ourselves is to employ the buddy system at all times, and in all circumstances, period, no exceptions ever. Eliminating the opportunity a perp is looking for would have saved countless victims, including Morgan. This starts at home, at the elementary level, and goes for boys and girls. It is not the easiest discipline while we are hammering home personal accountability and independence, and in my case, Blinkette is quite spirited in those areas.
My Blinkette is of the age where all this sounds like a lecture, but I also know that her “satellites” work very well and she listens to them, that is so critically important to teach our kids, and most especially young women.
B
Hope justice for Morgan comes soon.