Disappearance And Deception Turns To Decomposition: Dogs Smell Death at Lisa Irwin’s Home
Kansas City, MO- For the first time since 10 month old Lisa Irwin was reported missing by her father Jeremy Irwin the morning of October 4, detectives with the Kansas City Police investigating her disappearance, together with the FBI, searched her home without the permission of her parents.
Through the execution of detailed search warrants and seizing the home temporarily, optimism for finding baby Lisa alive took a public nosedive.
Why?
An FBI cadaver canine, with permission from Lisa’s parents to enter the premises Monday, gave a positive alert to it’s handler, indicating the presence of decomposition in the area of Bradley’s bed, in a wide section of carpet which has since been removed for testing.
State Prosecutor for Clay County, Wes Rogers, was unsuccessful in his bid to have the warrants sealed from the public.
Upon the canines alert, Kansas City MO lead investigator Kimberly Shirley-Williams prepared affidavits and a search petition while the N. Lister St. home was sealed until a judge granted them a few hours later.
Beginning Tuesday and continuing through today, crime scene technicians in white hazmat suits could be seen removing substantial amounts of brown bags and items obviously concealed with brown paper. Officers could be seen in the rear of the property with small rakes, shovels and bags.
Detectives will not reveal what was removed from the home, or anything else about the progression of their investigation.
However, a source inside the investigation speaking to www.blinkoncrime.com on the condition of anonymity, says the clothing and a few belongings Deborah Bradley said Lisa was wearing when she was allegedly abducted from the front window of the family home, were discovered and taken into evidence.
The source went on to say that there is no doubt that prosecutors expect a grand jury to indict Deborah Bradley on charges she is responsible for the disappearance of her daughter Lisa, and circumstances surrounding her possible death.
Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley have refused to speak to police in order to answer questions from investigators which they feel are critical to the investigation, and only Deborah and Jeremy would be able to answer.
The couple has since hired high profile defense attorney Joe Tacopina.
Photo Credit Kansas City Star
Aside from perfecting the Full-Double Windsor knot to the envy of the media savvy legal set, Tacopina previously represented a suspect in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, Joran Van Der Sloot.
Late today, Tacopina’s office released a statement on the couples behalf.
Police continue to guard the Irwin residence, instructing neighbors to keep outside the marked perimeter.
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Oh I wish I could say I didn’t see this one coming but unfortunately the finger pointed to the mother from beginning. May lil Lisa be found and justice served.
I heard that a suspicious man was seen by 3 separate witnesses in close proximity carrying a baby girl with only a diaper. I pray her mother didn’t do this. I believe innocent until proven guilty. I’m wanting to believe her!!! Remember Jon Benet, her parents were pursecuted by the media and LE for years, and finally they said it was a 3rd party. That case unsolved, Police should have explored all angles. Either way, It makes me sick what people do to children! I
Yep, it’s another one of those train wrecks you could see coming down the tracks, sad to say. Stranger abductions are 1940′s Hollywood scripts (bad ones mostly) with window entrys… but it was the three cell phones being taken that gave it away for me. And the discrepancies. Oh, and the inability to use the child’s name in her interviews. Plus the total “me” focus. And…. oh, there’s so much more. I am sad for the sweet little Lisa as it appears less and less likely she survived this.
I am not suprised. The interview of Megan Kelly on Fox exposed the fact that the mother admitted being drunk during the early evening hours. This revelation changed the time line by four or more hours.
Did the child die from an accident and the mother chose to hide this fact by creating the chrade that we have witnessed? Time and further investigation may get some answers.
Mr. Tacopina buys lined extra long polyester ties to get that big windsor knot. It is his lawyer thing. Some sport long hair or big mustaches and wear ten gallon hats. LOL
Lol, I love that look, and I may catch some heat for this, because of the overall attitude toward defense attorneys, but he is a phenominally skilled lawyer. That said, in this case, he will need it to spare.
My issues/Possible theory:
1. This is allegedly the first time Jeremy ever works the “night shift”, and he goes to work without a cell, in fact, possibly two of them. There are 3 they claim were also stolen from the home.
Possible: Since Miss boxwine runs for the booze after he leaves, I have to think we have a dependency problem here that he is aware of, and if she is hiding it, not happy with. Is it realistic to think that he is leaving his means of communicating with her at home?
My theory: I believe LE knows all phones were there at the time of the 911 call. In the surveillance of Deborah she is seen holding it, and the reprogramming them at once is BS. Last week, detectives returned to the home briefly and hopped the fence, and were doing some light searching in the grasses near a fence and one other spot.
I am certain that when LE was there first thing, they had her walk the property with them to see what was identifiably amiss. In other words, they think she ditched them as an afterthought, because they would have given something about her or her movements away. The logic would be that if Jeremy’s phone was working, pinging, and then powers off when he gets home (again afterthought), and the other two had the same situation, that they would have had to be thrown out somewhere there. In this scenario, Jeremy would have to be aware of this, imo. I should also note that in criminal investigations, if an owner of phone records (Bradley or Irwin) disputes a subpoena to get them ( I doubt they did this, but just for the sake of argument) it can take up to 30 days to get the records and longer for a ping study in some cases.
So in essence, LE reconvenes and studies their notes and memories for the possibilities of where one might chuck the cell phones.
2. The clothes that Lisa was supposed to be wearing have been recovered from the property, but we do not know where.
3. The obvious 4 hour difference in timeline, days later, and the admission of being drunk in a very short window of time, and only after detectives show her the footage of her at the store.
4. Taco best in class windsor, is working for both. I can tell you hands down, he WOULD NEVER represent both of them, unless both of them needed representation and doing so would protect both of their interests. You see where I am going with this.
POssible: It is a possibility that while I do not believe Jeremy had anything to do with hurting their daughter, his disassociative manner is bugging the hell out of me. He said something the other day that floored me.
He said the situation had brought them closer together.
Say what you will, and I do all the time, about not judging reactions in such a high stress situation, his demeanor is illogical to me of a Dad missing his baby on the Mom’s watch. All of their body language to me is just wrong, off.
If my spouse was drunk, and as a result our child was abducted, and Deborah was more than flippant in her defense of her “adult time”, there would not be a big enough couch in the Western hemisphere I could sit on and give an interview with him. The reality is, that would again be a natural reaction that will make it’s way to the screen of watchers to pick up on. Not seeing it, and the more I see Deborah talk, the less I believe.
5. We are missing tape from the home, confiscated by police to put in evidence, without specifying what kind of roll it is. Again, this inventory report is written after a motion to seal is denied, so you can and should expect vague right now.
6. They only have one car, Jeremy took it to work, and that means Deborah either had help, Lisa was taken from the home in the most brazen stranger abduction since Lindbergh sans the ladder , or as I suspect, whatever happened ultimately to Lisa in that home, means she is locatable on foot.
The fact that Deborah told LE the car was broken into a month ago, is not the best news I have ever heard.
Whether true or not, I do not like her coming up with alternatives although she was likely asked to by investigators. It is strategic.
Statistically speaking, if Lisa is deceased, and sadly, I do believe she is, LE can draw a perimeter within 3 miles of her home, if they had no other evidence to point to something more specific, and know she is there somewhere, God rest her little soul. I would also like to extend my heartfelt kudos to all areas of LE working this case. This has to be such a difficult case to maintain balance for them.
Lastly, I am not so sure Jeremy is not a suspect of something in this case, although I do not believe he would harm his daughter, I think he might lie for Deborah. LE has told him he is not in need of taking a poly.
That should bother him immensely. I think they did that as a divide and conquer plan to keep him friendly, and to see what he knows. Keep him calm could keep her calm and maybe both will talk about the situation freely, for the folks on wiretap detail parked a block down.
Here we go again and I do not want to seem as if I am jumping to conclusions, but I pray that this does not end in a way that my gut is telling me.
I pray for this sweet beautiful child and also her brothers. May the Lord comfort you with his loving graces.
OT, this week I watched Law and Order SVU. The story line was about a baby found dead and burried. The parents staged an abduction scene prior to the discovery of the baby. The parents it turned out had been drinking at a motel. The final outcome was the mother awakened and found the baby dead in the bed. She thought because the baby was in the bed they had killed her. The show softened the outcome by having the baby in fact die due to SIDS. All the LE were sad for the family and wanted to let them go. Pleaseeeee. This case however is not going to end in a SIDS death. Perhaps this mother put baby Lisa in bed with her. Being drunk she may have smothered the baby. She may have also left the baby in a bathtub and forgot about her or any other dangerous situation to a 10 month old who is unable to care for herself. My understanding of the witness accounts of a man with a baby being seen is that the baby was only in diapers. This would seem to give even more importance of the baby’s clothes being found still at home. I wonder where Deb’s brother was that night and the next morning?
The more I hear, the more I fear that the mother is responsible. I hate to think that someone could hurt their child, a baby no less.
I wonder if Mother got drunk and accidentally smothered the baby in bed by rolling on her, what have you. That might explain why the dogs alerted to the smell of decomposition on/around Mother’s bed. Mother knows that even if it was an accident, the fact that she was drunk would still make her culpable for manslaughter or something, thus the decision to claim that baby Lisa was abducted.
The alert was on the floor near the bed, not on the bed. If they do not have significant evidence of death, and likely her remains, if she is deceased, I can come up with at least 5 defense explanations for that “alert”.
While there is no doubt in my mind it was a good “hit”, it is a small part of the case without corroboration.
B
Thanks for covering this story, Blink! When I first heard this story, it reminded me of the 1997 Sabrina Aisenberg case. The demeanor of the parents is usually the tell-tale sign of guilt — in one form or another. I agree with you… I do not believe Jeremy harmed Lisa, but he is hiding something. Fortunately, in this case the police are doing a tremendous job and I believe they are going to solve it. Justice for little Lisa. Again, thanks for all you…
It was also my first reaction.
B
Texas Grandfather:
An issue that I have, which you didn’t mention is the fact that the parents allowed the boys/brothers to be interviewed by LE (once?) initially and then refused to allow another interview (this is what Mother herself said in a TV interview– Good Morning America, maybe?), even though the boys did indeed hear something that night (also what Mother said, in same interview).
The only comment I have where I might understand that, is it would depend on who were doing the interviewing and the format of same.
I believe the boys are 6 and 8, iirc, so I would be adamant that the interview was conducted by a pediatric psych professional ( no, not LSW) psychiatrist or psychologist specializing in detection of pediatric PTSD and other similar fields of specificity.
It is a slippery slope while the boys are in the care of a possible suspect or suspects.
B
Again, thanks for all you do…
After seeing the picture of her crib, I have always had the feeling Baby Lisa was not in the habit of sleeping in her crib. http://www.kmbc.com/slideshow/news/29427385/detail.html I can’t quite put my finger on why I feel this way, it appears the bottom of the crib is low enough for a 10 month old.
I think you mean NOT low enough and excellent observation. I agree, and although we do not know when those images were taken or if that is exactly how baby Lisa’s nursery looked the morning of her disappearance, having the bumper still in there for a 10 month old is a no-no.
B
I’ve also had doubts about this mother and the abduction. I just wonder WTH is wrong with all these parents. I couldn’t imagine the emotions involved in LE searching for a child. It must come as a real shock when all is not as it seems. At some point, it would have to be very difficult to remain composed. I sure couldn’t.
One other thing…am I confused or did I read somewhere that the mother is not divorced from first husband who is in military?
correct, but separated four years ago, could be a benefits thing, unclear at the moment.
B
Question…WHY did the people that saw the baby at midnight and 4 in the morning,DO NOTHING???? Goodness call the police, a baby with just a diaper in 45 degree weather, that alone is child abuse!!!
I was hoping you would cover this case, though as always I wish there was no case to cover. The best info and insights always come from here.
I have read everything I can find on this poor sweet baby girl and can come to no other conclusion than her mom did something to her and dad is covering for mom. So sad.
Thank you kindly, accidental or otherwise, these people know what happened to this baby, or imo, Tacopina would never have taken this on.
B
The official reasoning on no divorce is “too expensive.” I am sure the benefits are a reason to stay together. It would enable the husband to get and send his BAH (army housing money) to her as child support for their son. I don’t believe he would get that amount if they were divorced and she had custody. She would also still have his health insurance. The son would keep the insurance either way. Good to know the govt is funding her insurance while she is living with and having a child with someone else. But I digress…
The first time the parents were shown on tv asking for help something seemed off. The mother’s reactions reminded me of Susan Smith. Then as details emerged along with “buff” designer attorney, my mind went to the C-word case.
I’ve been checking BOC everyday since this story broke waiting for you to cover this & I am happy to see this today..
There was & still is a lot of background info on this case on Seamus’ blog especially on D’s life as an Army wife..
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2011/10/lawyer-cooperation-need-for-search.html
Same on The Hinky Meter which I’ve been following on this case..
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/10/22/lisa-irwin-case-search-warrant-and-people-details/
nana2, thanks for posting those links. As is my “pet peeve’ I do have to point out an error in Seamus coverage you linked, and I admit I only read a few lines to catch this- He says the parents restricted LE to the points of entry ,for an alleged abductor.
That is patently false and if it were my business to analyze statements, I would not get that wrong.
The entire home and property was searched for the baby immediately, and again later October 4th with consent for another search of the ENTIRE home and property. The warrant is saying that based on the accounts of the family, THEY limited their forensic processing to those areas. At no time were they denied access. They conducted the processing based on a witness statement, which unless they had reason to doubt the account immediately, made sense.
In the wake of the Casey Anthony verdict, I am hopeful we can all get out facts straight reporting or correct them if we error.
B
Blink,
Thank you for covering this!
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While there is no doubt in my mind it was a good “hit”, it is a small part of the case without corroboration.
B
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Does this mean it will be harder for an arrest?
Too early to call.
B
In the beginning, there was a comment made by some LE person, on TV, that the description of the walking man & baby- did not at all fit that of the handyman- he said it in such a way that it led me to think- hmm- wrong race? Since then on SM’s somewhere, there is a comment/article snip of someone having said the walking man may have been a black male. Rumor or not? I don’t know- but if that is something they are/were keeping under wraps, the DB brother is out.
My first instinct with this story was that D & J looked for a “professional couple looking to adopt” & a search of adoption attys in Missouri brought up more than I would have expected.. From what I’ve read they are tight with money & when interviewed by Megyn Kelly/J. Pirro D said this was an unexpected pregnancy.. As far as the bed clothing for Lisa I got the feeling she might have been dressed for travel as opposed to bed time & that’s why the crime scene appears to be so clean too.. Much easier to hand the child out the window than for someone to climb in that’s for sure LE proved that.. Unknown donor for ransom, attys, PI could that be from the professional looking to adopt person ? D’s crying to me could be from a person that just gave up her child “and doesn’t know where she is” which is the supposed question she failed on the poly.. JMOO
My question is who, besides the parents, last saw Lisa. It makes me wonder if the day they reported her missing is long after she actually died. I just don’t feel good about this case. Hopefully I’m wrong.
If the mom was intoxicated would those poor little boys have to take care of Lisa?
This site when you do a Litigant Name search brings up a lot of info on D & J both
https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/base/welcome.do
Yes. Ms. Bradley has served time for a DUI, so without looking much further, or in a different state, I can tell you it was not her first offense, there were other charges that have been pled or dropped or she has some sort of priors.
B
Blink, thanks for this thread.
I think a number of other commenters are with me in thinking that the time of Lisa last being seen is of importance. The time that Jeremy left work is also of interest.
While I agree with most of what you’ve posted, particularly your bolded response to ATG, I’m hung up on one aspect of the time sequence. Did she get drunk before or after “losing” Lisa. If before, and there was a resulting accident, how did she get sober enough to accomplish Lisa’s disappearance?
I agree with that. For me, she is purchasing baby wipes and baby food, and I believe Jeremy was still with the kids at home, although this was about 5PM
I read this as: My brother is going to swing by and take me to get baby stuff that we need, and the boxwine stayed in the car for a while? I believe strongly this is an un-planned and disorganized offense and if what happened to Lisa happened prior to that trip, it would change my slant entirely.
Here it is, get ready, and this is just my opinion on what is being loosely discussed privately, not what I believe to be accurate necessarily: Mom gets drunk, baby takes a nose dive off the bed, sustains fracture resulting in immediate or perimortem mortal injury. Mom wakes up and thinks one of the boys may have been responsible, so to protect them, she hides the body and creates the stranger abduction ruse.
*above is if Lisa is recoverable, and a close enough version of the truth to be determined at autopsy.
If this is something else, like an accidental overdose ingestion of a substance, causing death or terminal aspiration, to sedate the child, or could fall under any manslaughter or homicide statute, she will ride this out and take her chances.
If the cell records and pings support this, and they do not have the detail or study yet, I expect that to come in, and provided Jeremy has been interviewed by the FBI, they will inform Taco they will be seeking a warrant for his arrest for making false statements to a Federal Agent.
Taco will advise him and probably arrange separate counsel. I do not think he would be willing to go to Federal prison while she sits outside if he actually knows anything and he is not complicit in anything but a potential coverup or obstruction. This is the most likely scenario given they have not asked him to take a poly.
They don’t want or need to know what he knows, it is more likely they maintain advantage by him thinking he is the dutiful parent.
If I am on target here, I am going to write one hell of a glowing review of LE in this case.
B
If Deborah called someone to dispose of Lisa, and Jeremy does not know anything outside of his wife
snip)
” Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, restricted the police access to their home before the search. Only allowing investigators to have access to the baby’s bedroom and possible places an intruder could enter the home. This is why police had to take out a search warrant on the home.”
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-nashville/baby-lisa-update-grim-discovery-inside-the-irwin-family-home
nana2- it makes no difference how many outlets, legit or otherwise report the same error, but according to the search warrant, linked in my piece and many others, which is a sworn affidavit, that is not what happened. In fact, on October 17, the FBI canine was brought to the home with consent, and hit in the bedroom. Additional confirmation that there were no restrictions.
What occurred is very similar to the Ramsey case. The scene needed to be secured as a potential crime scene, and processed accordingly, not just on the parents statements. Parallel investigations are protocol.
Keep in mind, this does not necessarily mean any errors occurred, it may have been worded that way to insure a warrant, because seeking one after multiple searches means something new or as a result of ensuing findings has to prompt the judge’s order granting it.
B
I think the prior DUI for D is why she doesn’t have a DL right now & her brother had to drive to the store that night.
I’m really starting to wonder if Debbie “admitted” to being blacked-out drunk (note, that revelation came after the wine purchasing video surfaced and it was Legally prudent to put on her big-girl pants and fess up anyway) because she now has the at the ready excuse, “I don’t remember, I was drunk, remember?”-every time she is asked something. Jeremy might want to take note of that.
I was reading (@ TheHinkyMeter) that Baez 2.0 has already slipped and outed the fact that he has, in fact been in contact with Deborah and Jeremy since the early days of the Investigation. So, Deborah was lying when she said she was not in contact with an Attorney–she already had one.
I find it curious we haven’t heard a peep out of the neighbor Deborah was on the porch with that night. I’m wondering if she is under a Grand Jury Sup. Gag Order? If she was over there for hours and never saw or heard a sound out of the baby….
I tried to post earlier prior to Blink’s reply to Lizzy. My ISP is making some upgrades so I am not sure of a post unless I see it.
My take on this case is that we have a woman who has a major problem with alcohol and perhaps other substances as well.
She may have moved the baby from the crib in order to change a dirty diaper. In her drunken state she left the baby on the big bed and then lay down more or less passing out. During this time she accidentally smothered the baby and then pushed it onto the floor. This the reason for the cadaver dogs making a hit on the carpet beside the bed.
When she woke, she found the baby on the floor. It was non-responsive. Rather than call 911 and get help, she chose to move the baby out of the house. The method is not yet clear. Could she have enlisted the help of the person that took her to buy the wine? Very possible.
The rest is a cover-up by her, including the story of a kidnapping and the theft of the phones. We know that she has prior arrests for DUI and has a rather strange lifestyle regarding her current spouse and former spouse.
The boys are very likely to know enough to poke some real holes in her story. The oldest may have gone through her drunken periods many times and been forced to care for the baby because she was too drunk to do it.
Why would the father come home at 4:00 A.M unless he was called at work? That is not a normal time for the end of a shift. He obviously is trying to protect her for some reason by going along with her behavior and story(s).
I am of the opinion the 911 call is very telling; I would like to hear it.
B
“Dabel says:
October 22, 2011 at 7:48 am”
Absolutely agree about the crib position and bumper. That is a newborn setup. It would take a passive baby at almost 11 months to stay in there, and the picture of her at the door doesn’t look that way. Taking a head-first dive from that crib would be worse than falling off the bed. Wonder if there was room in the bedroom for that crib?
The reference to the cold/cough is also worth noting, as a possible cover explanation for later findings.
Also, if Jeremy is convinced his own older child was involved, it might go a long way to explaining his behavior, demeanor and statements.
And here’s a link to make the point that keeping a toddler in a crib, even in the low position with no bumpers, is not always possible. Not sure how old these boys are, but . . .
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44997955#44997955
My mom used to tell me that they gave up and put the side down on my crib well before I was a year old (I walked at 8 or 9 months), so that at least the distance to the floor was less.
kas says:
October 22, 2011 at 12:00 pm
“I find it curious we haven’t heard a peep out of the neighbor Deborah was on the porch with that night. I’m wondering if she is under a Grand Jury Sup. Gag Order? If she was over there for hours and never saw or heard a sound out of the baby….”
I think this person is key, too. Wouldn’t she (?) be able to verify part of the timeline as well as describe the state of both the baby and DB at some point during the evening? MSM hasn’t mentioned this person since very early on.
@ kas says:
Baez probably told D the pool theory is taken try something else hence the “I was drunk & blacked out” defense..
Here is the 911 tape that has been released so far they’ve only released the operator sides. Also on this link is the grocery trip with the brother..
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-911-surveillance-tape-14726992
Here is a link of Jeremy & Lisa (in happier times for sure) meds on the top of refrigerator is what is circled..
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread760582/pg32
Judge Pirro on Fox now 7:20pm EST will discuss case.
The cword is becoming a trail blazer or inventor of ‘the template’ to off your child. Lie, lie, then lie even more, even if they don’t add up. Don’t let your knees buckle at the sight of evidence or the smell of decomp. Remember, you’re the victim. You always were. Believe your lies. Believe your lies. Poker face!!!!!!
…and notice the new breed or ‘evolving’ turkey lawyer, Joe the Taco (I can tell ya what happened to Aunt Diane) —-> (Bozo’s mentor no doubt), who comes out of nowhere to throw more eye of newt into the cauldron. This lawyer is really not intelligent. He’s lucky though. He’s the one running like a dog towards a 3 legged cat…pin stripe suite and all. He’s the….I’m just in it for the money, I can’t promise you anything, type counsel. Watch them spring up a dime a dozen in the months to come. Hey Bozo, how’s Giordano holding up now that you’ve thrown your hero cape into in the Aruba ring?
Of course sweet baby Lisa is dead. Of course mommy dearest is responsible. Of cousre this. Of course that, and here we go putting money into searches, hiring forensics, pleading innocence….
For the first time in my life, I’m feeling vigilante against this type of perp. They ride the same bus as pedophiles, rapists and that dude who killed those beautiful wild creatures in Ohio.
Eff you Deborah. Eff you Jeremy. Givin ya the 1 finger salute.
We’re going to have to be careful following Twtter messages from Joe Taco, since there is a ubiquitous writer of the same name who currently works for the SI Advance, AOL, and another online media outlet (I’ve forgotten the name).
I’m sure the SI Joe wouldn’t mind a little extra publicity, though.
ATG–not sure if Taco is tall enough for an extra-long tie?
And that one is certainly not polyester. It might even be a Robt Talbott 7-fold as some of his fabrics are quite thick.
Besides, why would a man with a 50-ft boat, Westport home with basement icerink, a law office in Milan, and plans to buy an Italian soccer team, ever. buy. a polyester tie?
winks from WG
OMG! I don’t think I can take another one of these stories again! I think C-word started a bad trend that we are going to see more and more of. When does it end? So sad for baby Lisa. I feel like crying. These poor babies and there are no consequences….SUCKS!
This is a really sad case and I believe the Mom is ultimately responsible for the death of this child and through some feeling of guilt and loyalty the Dad is trying to salvage the family. Very similar in a way to Casey Anthony, the shame of being a less than responsible Mom has forced this woman to clutch at straws but if this baby turns up with a sign of anything other than possible accidental death then we have a different scene.
For what it`s worth I think Patsy Ramsey murdered JonBenet and would love for Blink to cover this and give her view at some point in time.
Word Girl
The extra length is taken up in the large knot and the heavier polyester material. I always wear silk ties because the windsor knot doesn’t get so big. A regular length polyester tie in a windsor knot will make the tie so short it barely reaches the first button on your coat. The size of your neck affects this as well.
I appears that you may know something about ties. And, since I am 6 feet what is short on me may be ok on him if he is 65″ or less. In response to your last question, he would only buy them for effect. If he can find a thick folded silk tie to do the job that is what he would buy unless he really likes the gloss from the polyester.
Anyway this only symbolism. It has nothing to do with his ability as an attorney. It is a symbol to make people remember him like a 10 gallon hat that some use.
Lizzy
I agree with you about a 10 month old being able to get out of a crib provided that they can walk. Most are walking, but some just don’t until later.
My mother took a photo of me on top of her upright grand piano at 9 months. The top was almost five feet above the floor. She told me that I had climbed up there and could not get down. Part monkey I suppose.
Thinking about baby Lisa. If the baby was found deceased around midnight, there was plenty of time to get the baby out of the house. If the mother was drunk, she would have needed help. Is the father involved in cleaning up the scene? If he participated in removing the child, then it could be almost anywhere within a two hour drive. It could be somewhere in Missouri. Someone needs to verify what time the father left the job site and how long it would take to drive home.
Very few of these infanticide cases make the news. High percentage of time, the family/parent(s) are culpable.
Those of us who do this work smell it, see it, feel it, harbor its pain.
Liam, I agree that this mother of Lisa shows signs of guilt, but so does her cowardly donor-man. He’s been told she had to get rid of the cell phones–but why? Did she contact a killer, or is that what she wants him to believe?
Naw, decomp in the house is the louse.
PS Liam, I may become the BOC pariah, but I agree that Patsy Ramsey has culpability in the murder of Jon Benet. I think she did it, actually.
Yo! ‘Forgot a link to the 7-fold ties.
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/Style-Robert-Talbott-Seven-Fold-Tie_8329
Actually forgot that I usually get one for my son-in-law for his Sept birthday–oops. Nord Rack here I come.
How long after a person is deceased does it take for a cadaver dog to make a “hit”?
meg-
while that is an excellent question, it is way too broad to answer without a specific set of circumstances.
As an example, the alert could have come from something used to clean up bodily fluids, thrown in the bottom of a wash basket, or something she was wearing when she died, etc.
B
Blink, I am SO relieved to see you wrote about baby Lisa! When I am following a new case now, I invariably check BOC for news, and am always glad when you have written about it.
Of course I understand that you cannot possibly cover it all–but I feel lost when I can’t read your ideas on a case! Yes, I am obsessed with BOC and most likely need some Blink Anonymous….
I have followed Lisa’s case from the start and just can’t get a reading on what is going on.
I do wonder if the mom either smothered her by accident, or one of the boys accidentally hurt her and the parents are covering it up.
The sightings of the man and baby has thrown it off though. Who knows?
This bothered me:
“Deborah Bradley, made the statement she did not initially look for her baby behind the house because she “was afraid of what she might find.’”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44992690/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/#.TqONGLIzAs0
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I wonder if she was starting to suspect she may have done something in her drunken state.
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Excessive drinking/drugs and raising kids don’t mix. You HAVE to have your faculties about you to safely raise kids. No iffs, ands or buts! No excuses.
If they do not find this poor baby and they get away with any of this I give up. My heart cannot take another cword fiasco and I still think of Kyron every day. (I even ran into Kaine not too long ago, bless his heart.) What the hell has happened to people??? Sigh…..
KB in OR wrote –
“What the hell has happened to people??? Sigh…..”
I’m with you KB. Here in KY, there have been at least 6 deaths
this year of children under 2 yrs. old from abuse or getting
“dropped” or thrown by a boyfriend, stepfather, or mom.
Not to mention the mother who was just convicted this week of throwing
hot scalding water on her young son to punish him. Yeah, that’ll
teach him.
Not to mention the handful of children this year who have been found
wandering down the street/highway in their pajamas or diapers alone.
No one was watching them. Or the two year old missing boy found dead and drowned by a reservoir –
http://www.14news.com/story/15734480/missing-louisville-toddler-found-dead
Being a child under 2-3 years has become a major hazard in this country. WTF??? I can tell you this – growing up in the late 1950′s
and early 1960′s, I never heard of this kind of thing. Sure, parents
may have smoked cigarettes (the shame!!) and they may have had a drink
or two after dinner. But by God they made sure the children were safe
and accounted for. My parents never let me or my toddler sisters out
of their sight. Never.
There used to be a movement of sorts by psychology professionals to
have parents pass a test before they would be allowed to have children. Impossible, of course. But sometimes you wish ……
Someday they’re gonna let children hire their own lawyers.
And then hell’s fury is going to fly down on these “parents” heads.
We are living in a technological paradise. But in a moral nightmare.
Let me go back to a better time, before cell phones and wide screen
TV’s – when children were loved and protected.
Sherlock
Years ago, I had a neighbor who was an alcoholic. She was on anti-anxiety meds (as I believe the mom here was also on, correct?) and she drank from the time her eye balls opened (beginning with either a beer or alcoholic liquor in her coffee) till the time she literally passed out. Her husband was a construction foreman and often worked Saturdays. Their child suffered from neurofibromatosis. She was about 3 at the time this happened. It was a Saturday afternoon, winter time. I am in the kitchen and I happen to glance out the back window. Imagine my surprised to see the neighbor’s baby walking in the back yard, IN THE SNOW, with no coat, no pants, no shoes, just a shirt and a diaper. I ran out to get her and my husband went next door to pound on the neighbor’s door. No answer. We called the Dad on his cell phone who rushed home, only to find his wife PASSED out in the middle of the afternoon. THAT DAY, he admitted her into a rehab facility. After being there for quite some time, she was released with medication that would make her ill if she drank. Didn’t stop her. As a matter of fact, her addictions got worse. she started sneaking into her own brother in laws house (who lived right across the street and, by the way, was a VERY ill person and who has since died from his illnesses) and stole morphine packs out of his house. They got divorced, she moved out. I personally never seen her again, but heard that her addictions further escalated to heroine and that she OD’d and died, within a year and moving out of the house.
Now, she had a grown child from a previous marriage who always said that before his mother developed these addictions, which wasn’t until after he was for the most part grown, she was a good mother. But HER OWN SON said that since she developed her addictions, she wasn’t the same mother she used to be and he worried about his baby sister. One time even making the comment that he foreseen him and his step father being the ones who would end of raising the baby. Which, turned out to be true (he always was very involved with the care of his baby sis). I believe that her own spiral down the road of self destruction changed her entire being (which Deborah had made the comment that she didn’t think alcohol would change a person, I obviously disagree)AND that because she put her addictions FIRST AND FOREMOST, she in turn became a negligent parent and it is a LUCKY LUCKY thing that I seen that child that day or god only knows what would have happened.
Now, some points I wanted to make about Lisa’s case.
Why is the window covered???? http://media.photobucket.com/image/lisa%20irwin/jerseygirl12345/babyLisamattress.jpg?o=400
Who the hell puts their child down at 6:30 (or 6:40 or whatever) and doesn’t check on them again after that? When my boys were that age, I checked on them CONSTANTLY to make sure they were OK.
The crib. There is no way in hell that a 10 month old child slept in that crib. When my children were that age, they were standing up in the crib, holding on to the sides. You can see in pic 6 of 11 of the below link that she was standing so.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/21/document-cadaver-dog-hit-_n_1025872.html#s389078&title=Missing_Child
If Deborah was in fact on anti-anxiety medicines AND had an alcohol problem, that is simply not a good mix, and yes, yes, yes can alter someone to the point of turning a once good mother into a bad mother.
I think she was an addict to either alcohol, alcohol + meds, and possibly other drugs, was partying and that was all the she was worried about and that something happened due to her neglect and she is now trying to cover it.