Disappearance And Deception Turns To Decomposition: Dogs Smell Death at Lisa Irwin’s Home
Kansas City, MO- For the first time since 10 month old Lisa Irwin was reported missing by her father Jeremy Irwin the morning of October 4, detectives with the Kansas City Police investigating her disappearance, together with the FBI, searched her home without the permission of her parents.
Through the execution of detailed search warrants and seizing the home temporarily, optimism for finding baby Lisa alive took a public nosedive.
Why?
An FBI cadaver canine, with permission from Lisa’s parents to enter the premises Monday, gave a positive alert to it’s handler, indicating the presence of decomposition in the area of Bradley’s bed, in a wide section of carpet which has since been removed for testing.
State Prosecutor for Clay County, Wes Rogers, was unsuccessful in his bid to have the warrants sealed from the public.
Upon the canines alert, Kansas City MO lead investigator Kimberly Shirley-Williams prepared affidavits and a search petition while the N. Lister St. home was sealed until a judge granted them a few hours later.
Beginning Tuesday and continuing through today, crime scene technicians in white hazmat suits could be seen removing substantial amounts of brown bags and items obviously concealed with brown paper. Officers could be seen in the rear of the property with small rakes, shovels and bags.
Detectives will not reveal what was removed from the home, or anything else about the progression of their investigation.
However, a source inside the investigation speaking to www.blinkoncrime.com on the condition of anonymity, says the clothing and a few belongings Deborah Bradley said Lisa was wearing when she was allegedly abducted from the front window of the family home, were discovered and taken into evidence.
The source went on to say that there is no doubt that prosecutors expect a grand jury to indict Deborah Bradley on charges she is responsible for the disappearance of her daughter Lisa, and circumstances surrounding her possible death.
Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley have refused to speak to police in order to answer questions from investigators which they feel are critical to the investigation, and only Deborah and Jeremy would be able to answer.
The couple has since hired high profile defense attorney Joe Tacopina.
Photo Credit Kansas City Star
Aside from perfecting the Full-Double Windsor knot to the envy of the media savvy legal set, Tacopina previously represented a suspect in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, Joran Van Der Sloot.
Late today, Tacopina’s office released a statement on the couples behalf.
Police continue to guard the Irwin residence, instructing neighbors to keep outside the marked perimeter.
Check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this story.
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Twinklwtoes
While your cell phone plan allows you to go on-line and get the information you described, this is not true for phones that are bought at a convience store or other store with prepaid minutes.
I have no clue as to the fact that this is the type phones the Bradley’s use. Prepaid phones use towers owned by other carriers under a wholesale use agreement. There is no billing service associated with the owner of the phone. LE may be able to find the phone number and by using the number in co-operation with the carrier that operates the tower equipment do some tracing.
42. zeus says:
October 24, 2011 at 3:46 pm
What is a forensic interview as it relates to a child of tender age?
B
Generally, it is when a trained mental health professional interviews a child in order to determine if the child has been mistreated or abused.
I am wondering if the 3 witness’s who saw a man walking with a naked baby between 2:30AM and 4AM in 45 degree weather have indicated if the baby was moving. Or, did it look like he was carrying a “sleeping baby”……….perhaps removing a deceased Lisa Irwin?
I have not yet read accounts if the woods where the man on the survellance camera have been searched either.
Thanks Blink! I wondered about those things too. Especially the spin part. Can an atty legally do that-make it sound as if the parents did everything right-even if that’s not exactly accurate?
I wonder about this atty-she is said to be pro bono.
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>>Latest News: Our own Cyndy Short is pro bono local cousel for Baby Lisa Irwin’s family. If you have information about Lisa’s disappearance, please call 816-474-TIPS or 911. For details on the case, visit FindBabyLisa.com.<<
http://www.mccallisterlawfirm.com/
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Blink makes sounds like loud shreeking tires…
Allowed them to call an amber alert? This statement came from an atty?? The parents have NO SAY about calling an amber alert, and even if an amber alert was qualified in this case, that is ridiculous to say that it automatically brings in the FBI- not true, and I hope she knows that and this is spin.
What is a forensic interview as it relates to a child of tender age?
B
I can’t figure out how many people following this case are so focused on the parents, when there are at least three witnesses who reported seeing a man with a baby in the same area as Lisa’s home, on the same night Lisa disappeared, under very suspicious circumstances, when the father was verified as being at work at the times these sighting were sighted.
Maybe someone can explain to me how this man, seen with a baby in a diaper, walking around in the wee hours of a dark and cold morning, be so discounted? I don’t get it. I’m not ready to say mom did it, with this sighting that just can’t be a coincidence.
Nice to see you Becca-
1. There has been no confirmation the “man with baby” is connected to Lisa’s case, but even if he is, the baby was in a diaper only on a night that was about 45 degrees. No witness has described the child as awake, and in fact, the witness I saw interviewed described her being held “face in.”
2. Deborah failed a poly. Deborah lied to investigators. Deborah has a substance abuse history.
3. The clothes Deborah said were the last she put on her daughter, were found in the home.
4. There is evidence of decomposition.
5. There are cell pings that contradict her story, and frankly are how she was forced to divulge the grocery store.
6. Two detectives tried to recreate the abduction scene, and neither could get into the window without the other’s assistance, one detective got stuck, and the window pinned him. Point is, there is absolutely no way anyone entered and exited the home through that window, period. Does it make any sense to anyone that someone could break into the window, then TURN ALL THE LIGHTS ON while abducting an infant who is likely due to wake for a feeding anyway, then cross the hallway, fumble through a kitchen to locate three cell phones ( yes, I believe this oversight on her part will be a huge part of her case, distraught people make mistakes for a reason.)
Investigatively, this is a textbook case, statistically, the odds are that Lisa died in the home, and this is a cover up. That said, I believe all KNOWN evidence so far points to Deborah as a liar, and likely an unfit parent, and no other definite conclusions from a prosecutorial perspective. The grand jury is reviewing this case as we speak, the next two weeks should be telling.
It should be interesting to see if the State learned anything from the Casey Anthony case.
B
@zeus
That is the atty’s job. Zealous defense
How long does decomp smell stay? Or how old an odor can a dog smell?
As someone pointed out,it is an old house and many things may have happened in it.
I’m on the fence here.
In general, it has to have been attached to something remaining inside the home.
It is impossible to say without knowing more about the certifications and training/testing of the canine, but I can tell you LE would not remove a carpet without a positive field test, and to my knowledge, the only known positive field test is in the parents bedroom by the bed. Ergo..
B
I find it hard to accept that the “mystery man” is a cleaner. When trying to dispose of a dead baby, even a complete doofus would probably think of putting the baby in a trash bag or backpack, etc, not walking around town carrying a baby in plain sight.
Either these sightings are unrelated, or the baby was taken by someone who is mentally ill. Unless “mystery man” was partying with the mother and both were very drunk and the baby was accidentally killed and he was trying to dispose of the baby while wasted (possible, but I strongly doubt it).
I agree it makes no sense to carry a baby one is attempting to dispose of , openly, notice I said IF he is connected, and I have my serious doubts. It makes absolutely no sense to me that a stranger abduction could occur in this way, and still have the Mom lying through her teeth.
A parent of an abducted baby or child has no concern for themselves whatsoever.
The issue I am having, is that it is my understanding LE feels the dumpster fire is credible.
Who carries a missing baby around for hours and then sets a fire?
B
A Texas Grandfather says: @mOctober 24, 2011 at 6:29 pm
ATG…
It doesn’t sound like the parents had pre-pay/convenience store type phones.
The news reports have all said that DrunkkDeb and Jeremy have told them that all their phones (except for Jeremy’s work cell phone) were not working b/c they had not paid the bill.
They said b/c of not paying the bill – the phones were not allowed to make out-going calls.
Those convenience store type phone you don’t get a monthly bill – just add minutes anytime as needed.
And another rant from me …
Guess these 2 have the money for a box of wine, but not to pay their phone bill.
Priorities people.
They have (had) 3 small children and alone at home at night?
Having a working phone line to call out in emergencies would have been priority to me.
Sammy- do you have a link for any report saying the phones were not working because of non-payment, that is not my understanding. I am not aware of a plan that allows incoming calls but not outgoing if you don’t pay it.
B
Has it ever been mentioned if Lisa was still breast-feeding? If I recall correctly, Deborah had purchased “baby food” that night, which I imagine to be little jars of fruits and vegetables, but I’m just speculating. At that age, little ones are still mainly on milk.
If she was still breastfeeding, and had been nursing her lying down on the bed, she may have passed out and cut off her breathing that way. Otherwise, I’m having a hard time imagining anyone just “rolling over” on a 10 mo. old.
If it was 45 degrees outside why would a man be only in a tee shirt?
I think we should be looking at the Dad v.e.r.y c.l.o.s.e.l.y
JMO
@Blink
“The issue I am having, is that it is my understanding LE feels the dumpster fire is credible.
Who carries a missing baby around for hours and then sets a fire?
B”
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There is a reason for the dumpster fire particularly if LE has established an accelerant was used. Were the dumpster contents examined for evidence? Also, does anyone know if JI passed the poly?
Blink.
I’ve read several media article that claimed that the cell phones weren’t working (had restricted access so no outgoing calls).
Below is one link that mentions the “restricted phones – no outgoing calls b/c of non payment of bill” to the People article from October 31st, 2011
(I’ll go look up other media references to the cell phones not working for out going due to non payment and post those links too)
Of course all this info that has been leaked to People and other media is probably coming from the LYNG Parental Units … so who knows how much is actually true.
Personally, I’ve heard of cell phones being restricted if the bill is not paid after several months.
BUT … what I have heard is that your cell WILL allow emergency 911 dial out calls even if you don’t pay the bill.
The way the story has read in the media was that their phones had a restriction on only outgoing calls — never heard of any plan that would still allow incoming calls if you didn’t pay the bill.
(FROM PEOPLE MAGAZINE 10-31-2011)
“I told Deborah I should be home by 10 or so,” (JI) says.
People continues: But the job was trickier than expected, and he didn’t leave the Starbucks until after 3:00a.m.
And because they hadn’t paid their cell phone bill and their service had been restricted, Irwin wasn’t able to let Bradley know when he’d be home. [ People, October 31, 2011].
Did you forget the link here Sammy? I appreciate you researching anywhere you read this.
B
Mayhem, I would doubt that this baby at 11 months old is still just drinking milk. I am sure she was on solid table food by this age. Breast feeding a possibility, but not just that.
This child I would think is walking or close to it. Very mobile and can climb up or out of things, and a good chance she fell from that crib.
Blink ~ It makes absolutely no sense to me that a stranger abduction could occur in this way, and still have the Mom lying through her teeth.
BINGO!!
I’m not sure what the hell happened in that house, but I can tell you that if I saw a guy walking down the street with a baby in his arms at 2:00 in the freakin’ morning, with only a diaper on, I would call the cops.
And I would probably say: “Um. Hi, I’m probably being paranoid or a weirdo, but I just saw a guy walking down such and such a street with an almost naked baby…etc., etc.
I might even follow the guy and ask him if he needed me to call some help for him. I’ve stopped and asked tons of people if they need help. But I’m very careful about this. I know that some of these distress calls can be a hoax.
Maybe she handed the baby out the window so the guy’s DNA wouldn’t be in the house.
Or maybe the guy is homeless and he found the baby in the dumpster, or somewhere near there, and didn’t know what to do with it because people would think he killed the baby.
I checked on the 5 Litre box of wine. It is equal to 14 12oz. bottles of beer or approximately 28 glasses of wine. That’s a lot of grapes. Unless more than 2 people were sharing that box of wine, then I tend to believe that mother doesn’t know what the he77 happened that night. But if that is the case, then she wouldn’t have had the sense to get rid of the phones, etc. Unless JI assessed and cleaned the situation up. AJMOO.
I have not read that the box o wine was recovered, which would be interesting.
B
@ blink
In the video yesterday of the attorney Cindy Short taking a tour through the house the box of wine is on the stove and she pulls out the plastic bag liner and the bag is empty. She speculates that LE drained the box to measure the remaining contents. I’ll find the link, but it took me a long time this morning to come up with that video.
#18 link
I cant seem to call this up
MSM spoke with DB’s husband, Sean. He and DB have a “five year old son” (thought the boys were 6 and 8?), says they can’t afford divorce, he hasn’t seen or spoken to DB or his son in two years, misses him and wants him “back”. Strange family dynamic…
http://tinyurl.com/Today1025
this is the video link of the Attorney Gives Tour of Missing Baby’s home http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE7FUgpdU14
Wine was definitely empty.
B
My Niece has a cell plan that has restricted use if the bill isn’t paid. She can receive incoming texts and calls but cannot send or make any. Every so often she’ll post on Facebook that her phone is on restriction until after payday
I don’t get it either.
Also, in the interview with Megan Kelly from Fox, Deborah mentions the restricted use. I watched that snippet on TV..not sure if it’s online, but I’ll check.
@Blink, your link above to your new piece shows no page found, FYI
@ Blink – the hinky meter website mentioned that the box of wine was empty. (I can’t post a link b/c I’m not allowed on that website at work.) Anyway…the writer on that website doubts that LE would have emtied it because that would be contaminating evidence. They would have taken the box with them if they needed to find out how much wine was left.
Lisa’s parents on Megyn Kelly show 10/25 1:45pm EST
Megyn Kelly responded to Trace Gallagher about 15mins ago on D’s atty question “why LE didn’t take carpet from bedroom”. As per MK & according to SW dogs hit on the floor it didn’t say dogs hit on the carpet
We do not know where the carpet was removed from. The carpet in there now is an area rug, it could have been moved from another room and replaced out of the public view. Does anyone really think the lawyer is going to give a tour with evidence markers laying around?
B
@ Blink,
Blink, I don’t know if it’s just me, but I’ve tryed several times and can’t get the link you posted to come through.
Not you, was not approved for public posting yet, not sure how the trackback got that, but anyhoo..
B
Here is a link to a video showing Cyndy Short during the walk through of the Bradley/Irwin home. The boxed wine discussion starts around 1:28 on the video.
http://tinyurl.com/GMAboxWine
this is the 5 minute promo I watched where the phones are discussed:
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/17/sneak-peek-megyn-kellys-revealing-interview-with-the-parents-of-missing-baby-lisa-irwin/
What are you, like in my office? Lol.
Was not supposed to be public yet, and did the ping around the world in 3 seconds, sigh.
B
@lyla says:
October 25, 2011 at 9:58 am
@Blink
“The issue I am having, is that it is my understanding LE feels the dumpster fire is credible.
Who carries a missing baby around for hours and then sets a fire?
B”
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There is a reason for the dumpster fire particularly if LE has established an accelerant was used. Were the dumpster contents examined for evidence? Also, does anyone know if JI passed the poly?
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According to GMA the parents were shown burnt clothes. I have seen speculation that the clothes must belong to the baby but the clothes she was wearing were found at her home. I am bugged by an adult in 45 degrees in only a t-shirt. I think the clothes shown to DB & JI were adult clothes. I think there is something to the sightings of a man in a t-shirt with a baby, but who?
Link
http://abcnews.go.com/US/baby-lisa-irwin-surveillance-footage-mystery-man/story?id=14795844
GMA has also learned that police are investigating a fire that took place at a Dumpster at that same time, in that same area.
That dumpster fire could explain not only why burnt clothes were shown to Lisa’s parents during their interrogation, but also why authorities searched an area landfill as part of the investigation.
My sources tell me they have been at that landfill a half dozen times.
B
Just curious… In the video tour with the local attorney for the family, she pointed out that the master bedroom carpet was not taken in the search even though the cadaver dog had allegedly hit on the floor by the bed; however, a multicolored comforter was taken. Is it possible that this was the comforter Deborah’s bed and that it was on the floor? Jeremy Irwin had said that Deborah sleeps with the fan on high, which might indicate that she gets hot at night, so she might not have had the comforter on the bed. I am reserving judgment on what happened to little Lisa, and praying that there is a break in the case soon.
I know that Lisa’s comforter was recovered and the clothes her Mother said she wore, they are not discussing the rug or carpet mat.
B
Patricia
You posted about the 5 liter box of wine equaling 14 bottles of beer. If you found the wine box reference, what was the brand? Wine can contain more alcohol by volume than beer. The five liter container is 4.73 qt. or a little over a gallon.
Why would LE drain the box and leave it? In my opinion, they would not. If they are going to take the contents, they would take box and all. Is the speculation of the attorney an attempt to spin the fact that all the wine was gone, but not consumed? We can only speculate on the speculation.
The mother is a known alcoholic with DUI charges against her. Because of her long abuse of alcoholic beverages she could have built up quite a tolerance for it. Some people can function, tho not well, under the influence and be in a state where they remember nothing.
I am going to agree with Meyers about food for baby Lisa. If you look at some of the photos that have been shown on various media, you can see that this baby is a sturdy child. Most babies are transitioned to soft foods around six months,if not before, while continueing formula or whole milk.
ATG, I have to say, I dont think we are in any position to call her an alcoholic, although I agree she has a substance abuse issue and history of same. Dunno how much of that is liquid, gas or solids.
B
just wanted to contribute some thoughts…Tmobile will let incoming called for about 30 days after you default on a bill, no texting no internet just inbound calls, absolutely no outbound calls other than emergency numbers. ALl phones will now allow emergency calls only when powered up even without service to the actual phone as long as it is charged and has a sims card accessible to a service provider, it will call emergency numbers only. without the service sim card for the providing tower to connect, it will not happen…but yes any previous At&t, tmobile, sprint,verizon or any other service providing phone with actually contractual service will make emergency calls outbound, you cant call a neighbor or the local police non emrgency land line number…not going to happen….ONLY emergency number– just 911
hope this helps ya’ll
o and a 10 moth old is starting to eat solid babyfood and still probably taking bottles or nursing in addition but not for sole nutrition…they have teeth, so naturally they want to bite stuff and chew…they are teething usually by then..might even be eating adult food like mashed up beans and potatoes and soft easy to digest food by 10 months.
have a great day!
We do not know where the carpet was removed from. The carpet in there now is an area rug, it could have been moved from another room and replaced out of the public view. Does anyone really think the lawyer is going to give a tour with evidence markers laying around?
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Guess my point was Atty Short keeps saying “if the dogs hit on the bedroom carpet why didn’t LE take the bedroom carpet” as she did the tour. But according to the search warrant page 4 “the dogs hit on the floor around the bed” it says nothing about the dogs hitting on the carpet. So it shoots the carpet spin.
sorry, yep, your correct.
B
@Lyla
As far as I have heard JI was not subjected to a poly. I read or heard that the resoning was that he was on surveillence video at Starbucks (working) so he has an alibi. I’ll see if I can re-find that. Has there been new info that he was given a poly?
A Texas Grandfather says:
October 25, 2011 at 1:24 pm
Patricia
You posted about the 5 liter box of wine equaling 14 bottles of beer. If you found the wine box reference, what was the brand? Wine can contain more alcohol by volume than beer. The five liter container is 4.73 qt. or a little over a gallon.
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A Texas Grandfather: I just took note of the box in the video and then googled Franzia and noted that it was a 5L box. Take it from a dieting woman that 5 to 6 oz. of wine is considered one serving.
I did not mean to intrepret alcohol volume, just converted Liters to ounces. There are too many variables to decidedly say that DB was drunk or blacked out that night. I think that it is a lot of wine to go through in one night with one neighbor! If that is what occured. JMOO.
Guess my point was Atty Short keeps saying “if the dogs hit on the bedroom carpet why didn’t LE take the bedroom carpet” as she did the tour. But according to the search warrant page 4 “the dogs hit on the floor around the bed” it says nothing about the dogs hitting on the carpet. So it shoots the carpet spin.
sorry, yep, your correct.
B
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possibly why they took the baby’s comforter????
Baby on the floor or near the bed, but, on her own comforter???
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-police-tough-questions-parents/story?id=14810300
just read this and on page two of the article, two of the people that claim to have seen a man with a baby have interesting things to say especially the woman who says the man she saw was tall, slender and they think “bald”…just sayin’
Sammy thx for the exerpt from People Magazine. Read the article today. The article, IF accurate, clearly quotes the father as indicating that he’d be home at 10:00 p.m. or so, and that Deborah did not expect him to return in the wee morning hours. That a huge new detail, for me, as the media has suggested from the beginning that this was a first-time, EXPECTED OVER-night job. IF accurate, Deborah was expecting her husband home around 10:00 p.m.
I’m a fence-sitter, however, what had triggered for me a nasty flashback was in watching the parents first media interview where they plead for her return. Deborah’s sobbing instantly made me remember Susan Smith. It scared me. If in their minds, Lisa is with a stranger, wouldn’t they instinctively want to humanize her; i.e., “she likes being sung to, she’ll only drink xyz brand of formula, she’s afraid of loud noises, etc….” The brevity of their interview was jolting. I pray I’m not being too harsh, because I understand that there can be no normal reaction to this type of event.
patricia says:
October 25, 2011 at 1:36 pm
@Lyla
As far as I have heard JI was not subjected to a poly. I read or heard that the resoning was that he was on surveillence video at Starbucks (working) so he has an alibi. I’ll see if I can re-find that. Has there been new info that he was given a poly?
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To my knowledge there has been no new info regarding JI taking a poly. Given the speculation toward the parents, I would be amazed if he hasn’t taken one…or maybe he refused to take one. I don’t think the surveillence video let’s him off the hook..jmo
knowing a friend that is a police sgt. stated they try to do things to get a person to own up… if they have no clues.because they don’t know. that carpet was in the garage. this is a very strange case and not strange for a real kidnapping.the problem the mom could have been so confused from drinking until her head was clear… that didn’t help lisa .they even tell a person they failed a lie detector test. i am not saying d.b. didn’t do anything because i don’t know just as we see what it looks like but things are not as they seem all the time.they wanted to see maybe if she broke.. but she couldn’t break if she did nothing… but drink on that night.so sad for lisa. hope the FBI can enlarge the face in the video from the gas station. then we would know what that person looks like and put billboards of his face up .people can and want to help to find lisa irwin.
lynn- I am having trouble understanding your post
D. Bradley through the attorney says they are not answering questions because they are “grieving”. IMO, kind of an odd statement.
Blink say @ 10-25-11 08:30am & 10:20am
Did you forget the link here Sammy? I appreciate you researching anywhere you read this.
B
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Sorry Blink.
When I click on any link to the People article all I get is a very small snip of the story and the following message:
“For much more on the Baby Lisa story, pick up this week’s issue of PEOPLE, on newsstands Friday”
Guess they want us all to buy the magazine. (money-money-money to be made off yet another baby’s death) Grrrr!!
I have to go make dinner now – but I’ll look again tonight to try to find a link without having to purchase the magazine.
Below is the transcription of the People article where it mentions –> the phones + not paying bill = restricted service.
That’s all I can find right now.
(FROM PEOPLE MAGAZINE 10-31-2011)
“I told Deborah I should be home by 10 or so,” (JI) says.
People continues: But the job was trickier than expected, and he didn’t leave the Starbucks until after 3:00a.m.
And because they hadn’t paid their cell phone bill and their service had been restricted, Irwin wasn’t able to let Bradley know when he’d be home. [ People, October 31, 2011].
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20537999,00.html
Several posters on Websleuths (“not_my_kids” & “nursebeeme”) have transcribed many of the interviews from FoxNews with Megyn Kelly, People magazine, also Judge Pierro, and also GMA show video interview and others.
Located on this thread–>
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152343&page=2
–and–
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151083&page=14
Also … (this is not about restricted service – but lots of talk about the phones here)
In the FOX interviews by Megyn Kelly she asks Drunk Debi and Jeremy about the cell phones and discusses there answers with her 2 person panel. (Lise Weill and Kimberly Gilfoyle) sp?
Parents are asked if they have ever called their cell phones (since they are supposedly in the possession of the same person who took their baby).
DB and Ji state that they have never tried to call the cells.
They (Megyn and panel) were all in agreement that it is very odd that neither DB or JI ever (not once!) attempted to dial their supposed stolen cell phones after they reported them as missing with baby Lisa.
The panel appeared shocked that these parents would not at least try to call the #’s – in hope that the person who took the baby might answer the phone or at least give LE some pings from those phones to work with.
All panelists agreed that it’s just odd that a mother would not call their phones that are supposedly in possession of the same person who took your baby.
I know I’d have those numbers on redial and would be dialing frantically – if I thought the person who took my baby also had my phones.
This entire interview and discussion panel is great – but starting at 4:12 mark of the link below is Megyn asking DB and JI about not calling the phone and then follows with panel discussion.
Megyn Kelly/FOX News interviews done on weekend of 10/16 (broadcast on Monday 10/17)
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/17/full-interview-megyn-kelly-presses-parents-of-baby-lisa-irwin-on-disappearance-asks-if-they-sold-or-killed-their-daughter/
everyone’s a suspect says:
October 25, 2011 at 3:04 pm
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-police-tough-questions-parents/story?id=14810300
just read this and on page two of the article, two of the people that claim to have seen a man with a baby have interesting things to say especially the woman who says the man she saw was tall, slender and they think “bald”…just sayin’.
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Oh oh! Hmmm…you don’t think it just might be the person who was supposed to be at work that night do you?
I speculate there was an accident October 4 that occurred at the Irwin home and the Father is covering for the Mother. A 5 litre box of wine was consumed by a neighbor and the Mom? I’ll bet JI remembers a whole lot more than his partner.
My mistake- D. Bradley said that herself.
Forgot one link for Megyn Kelly interviews and panel discussion. (this entire clip is very informative – but at the 4:12 mark she asks DB and JI about why they have not called their phones and then panel discussion)
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1225075619001/lisa-irwins-parents-claim-intruder-took-cell-phones
Patricia
I was not disagreeing with you about the wine. If the wine was 13% by volume and those two consumed a half gallon or more they should have been totally blitzed. That also is considering that the total volume was equal between the two.
Blink you are correct. Normally I think of persons who get DUI charges are consuming alcohol, but it could be anything that would impair their behavior. We don’t at this time have any credible evidence of alcoholism. However, I do think we have a reasonable clue of that possibility with regards to the fact that it took a while before she admitted to being drunk.
Yep, exactly.
B
Blink.
Am I losing it …
or was there a new piece posted by you today that was here about 4 pm-ish today that is now gone??
Entirely possible I’m losing it.
Not you. lol
B
Other people here find it hard to believe the mystery man with a baby is a “cleaner”, but I think that’s a real possibility.
What are the chances of some guy wandering around with some other baby that night, near Lisa’s home?
I think the man with baby, seen by several witnesses was not a stranger, but a friend or family member.
So say a family member or friend of Deb’s partied with her. They drank a LOT and when really intoxicated; something, somehow happened to Lisa.
So the friend/family member becomes the “cleaner”. The “cleaner”, in a really drunken-possibly drugged state, takes Lisa out of the house to dispose of her, to help Deb. Meanwhile, Deb stays behind to try and invent an alibi of what happened. Thus the “abduction”, etc.
The “cleaner”, in his messed up state does not think to put clothes on the baby, but simply starts wandering around trying to figure out WTH to do with this poor child.
Intoxicated people do not think straight, nor try to hide what they are doing-at least not when they are in the midst of being wasted.
It would not be surprising to me (having been around too many drunks in my life) to see one of them out in the cold with just a t-shirt on-nor to have a baby out in the cold with only a diaper on.
I hope this was an accidental death, and the parties involved(Deb and her cleaner) were just too effed up to do what they should have done-called 911 and gotten help. But instead, did everything from a wasted perspective and then Deb had to continue to concoct her story as she became more sober and realized what had been done.
I get the impression from watching Jeremy, during the videos of the two of them-that he is just going along with Deb’s “story”, because he feels he has to, for her and their boys.
LE has stated today that they want to have separate interviews with Deb and Jeremy and I’m pretty sure that’s why. Once LE gets them separated, it might be easier to get at the truth.
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“Missing Baby Lisa: Police ‘Need’ Separate Interviews with Parents”
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-police-tough-questions-parents/story?id=1481030
The amount of wine consumed by DB is based on her recall- the gal who thinks she blacked out. Unless she had an etoh level, no one knows how much she drank. While I submit it is very likely she indulged in some/a lot Franzia wine, I just wonder if anyone other than her neighbor participated? Several scenarios come to mind. She had other visitors her boyfriend JI, would not have approved of, ie the pro-ported cleaner. She & neighbor finished off the box of wine; that was a not the same box seen purchased; or she bought wine to make her story appear factual. Anyway, I am in the camp of- she may have a history of regular wine drinking, and her response to X amount of wine versus- me and the same amount of X wine would be rather different. I am out of practice by about 3 years.
I feel like I have missed something today- it was my understanding, right or wrong, that the carpet that was removed, came from the shed. Has this been found inaccurate or have they clarified that? Seems to be the topic of the day- I checked and don’t see an update about that.