The Nittany Nightmare: Paterno Fired- Sandusky’s Recorded Sting With Victims Mother Went Missing With Prosecutor Ray Gricar In 2005

WE ARE.. PENN STATE

The thorn in the paw in the largest criminal scandal in recent NCAA history, feels more like a railroad spike today.

The  winningest collegiate coach in American history got sacked yesterday in his 46th year.

The iconic former Penn State University head football coach leaves his legacy shamed by the alleged sexual assaults by Jerry Sandusky, the former defensive coordinator of 23 years, on his watch.

Graham Spanier, president of PSU was also fired.

According to the Pennsylvania Attorney General, Paterno is not facing criminal charges, no word yet on Spanier.

Charged in the scandal to date are:

Gerald “Jerry” Sandusky- 40 counts of felony child sexual abuse, released on $100,000 bond

Tim Curley- PSU Athletic Director and 1976 alumni- charged with perjury and failure to report

Gary Schultz- PSU Senior VP of finance and Business charged with perjury and failure to report

Not charged, but in my opinion, should absolutely be under moral indictment:

Mike McQueary-  Current PSU recruiting coordinator and wide receiver coach who witnessed the sodomy of a child by Sandusky as a 28 year old grad student. He ran home and called his daddy instead of police,leaving the child in the clutches of that monster.

(UPDATE 3:37PM The PSU Board does not plan to fire McQueary, but want him off the field although interim coach Bradley says he will be on the sideline.    Are you people nuts?  I really think the players have enough concerns without wondering if some radical will rush the sidelines to get at McQueary.  Not worth the security breach.)

Yes, that is correct, he witnessed the act in progress of the rape of a child and did nothing to stop it.

Earlier in the week, Jopa announced through a prepared statement that he would be retiring at the end of the season after 46 years at the helm of the Nittany Lions Division 1 dynasty.

While PSU alumnus roars turned into wails for the past week,  it appears this nittany nightmare is just the beginning of the story.

The sexual assault of a 10 year old boy by Sandusky in the shower of the Lasch Football Building during Spring Break  2002, witnessed by a graduate student was never reported to Ray Gricar , Center County Prosecutor on the record.

But was he made aware of it under the radar?

Anthony DeBouf, a district attorney working under Gricar,  says Gricar reviewed evidence and files privately and did not share any of the information with him, in 1998.

You read that correctly, in 1998, when the first alleged incident of Sandusky in the field house shower with a young boy was reported to University Police and the Centre County DA’s office.

According to Graham Spanier, recently fired PSU president,  an investigation was completed by a “child protective agency”  and University Police with the blessing of then PSU counsel Wendell Courtney.

Courtney was and is still an attorney of record for Second Mile.

Spanier said he thought the director of Second Mile, the grass roots charitable effort founded by Sandusky, was alerted through those efforts.

In 1999 Sandusky was offered and accepted an Emeritus status retirement package from PSU where he held full campus access privileges and an office in the very building of the alleged 1998 and 2002 incidents.

The 4th victim named in the indictment against Schultz, Curley and Sandusky claims that decision by Sandusky was precipitated  by a private meeting between he and Paterno.

Sandusky was bitterly upset after a meeting with Joe Paterno in which he was told by JOPA he would never be his replacement as head coach, and that he should retire.

Tony Gricar, Ray Gricar’s nephew, has since revealed that Ray participated in a sting with police where Sandusky admitted showering with a boy whose mother called University Police when Sandusky dropped her son off with wet hair and asked for forgiveness from the family, with the entire meeting surreptitiously recorded.

Gricar viewed police reports and two recorded conversations that Sandusky had with the juvenile victims mother and for reasons that have never been made public, elected not to file charges in the incident.

Approximately 6 weeks later, the case was closed without enough evidence to prosecute.  It is believed the victim had decided to refuse to testify against Sandusky and his Mother believed he would be persecuted in efforts to protect Sandusky and the elite PSU football program.

According to then University Police detectives Ronald Shreffler and Ralph Ralston, following a meeting with Jerry Lauro, investigator with the PA Dept of Public Welfare,  while the behavior was certainly inappropriate, neither victim made allegations of sexual contact rising to the level of criminal activity.

Gricar had nothing to work with.

So.. Was this the case Ray Gricar saw as “the one that got away” he wanted to pursue prior to his retirement?

Sandusky remained with Second Mile, in some cases recruiting it’s board members through last year.

Sandusky founded the Second Mile charity in 1977, a foster and group home environment for disadvantaged boys in various underprivileged social circumstances.  It is believed this was where Sandusky began the lure to prey on his child victims.  Sandusky retired from Second Mile in 2010,  while the grand jury investigation into his victimization of young boys got underway.

The current honorary board of Second Mile reads like the who’s who of ESPN including Andy Ried, head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles, Matt Millen, ESPN sports analyst, Lou Holtz former head coach of Notre Dame University and yes, “Marky Mark”  Wahlberg.

Only yesterday did I realize I was on their advisory board. I have had no contact or correspondence with Second Mile or Jerry Sandusky since 2009 with the exception of thank you notes for one of their most successful events.

If the allegations are true, I, like the many good people who support Second Mile, am upset over being misled. However, the pain and sadness I feel for the abused children fills me with rage and anyone who enabled this to happen should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

Coach Holtz

The development of charitable organizations as a means to not only groom victims but to take advantage of government funding and tax breaks for the privilege came under extreme scrutiny in the late 1970′s with the discovery of Brother Paul’s Children’s Mission on North Fox Island among other organizations.   It is not known if the charitable practices of Second Mile are under investigation at this time.

Second Mile posted a statement on their site, claiming Sandusky has had no interaction with them since he alerted them to an investigation involving a boy in 2008.  Someone should have them review their annual report and the Sandusky society named after his parents that he and wife Dottie continue to donate to.

Every one of  Sandusky’s alleged victims,  were “Second Mile” children as far back as 1994.   One of the victims, was contacted by phone prior to his appearance before the grand jury by Sandusky, his wife, and a family friend leaving the message they needed to talk to him regarding an “important matter”.

Victim 7 did not return the call, but this editor would seriously like to know the intent of the call from Mrs. Sandusky, who has not been charged with any crime.

In several alleged incidents, and 8 victims named in the indictment against Sandusky, the only person to ever call police to report him was the mother of a victim whose incident was found to be unchargeable under the law, in 1998.

Ray Frank Gricar

A dedicated and successful prosecutor on the cusp of enjoying retirement,  Ray Gricar disappeared from an impromptu trip to “clear his head”  on April 15, 2005.   Gricar called his live-in girlfriend he met as a clerk in his office Patty Fornicola that morning and said he was going to take a drive in his mini Cooper to Lewisburg,  a town he was known to frequent to purchase select antiques.

Although Gricar was scheduled to take a half day’s vacation previously, he called Patty from his cell phone at 11:30 am and told her he would be taking the entire day off.

When Gricar failed to return that evening, Fornicola was concerned and phoned Bellefonte Police.  The next day Gricar’s “mini” was found locked with his cell phone inside in a Lewisburg parking lot.  His keys and wallet have never been recovered.

Two months later, his work laptop was located in the Susquehanna River and without it’s hard drive against a bridge support, and the hard drive a few months after that on the bank by a woman walking her dog.

In 2009, on the 4 year anniversary of his disappearance, Bellefonte detectives releases startling information.

On his home computer, which was reviewed by a forensic analyst,  showed searches including how to delete a hard drive were found in the weeks leading up to Gricar’s disappearance.

A small amount of cigarette ashes found just inside the driver side window of Gricars car leading investigators to believe he met with someone, spoke briefly through the window, and parked his car.

Subsequent possible sightings of Gricar in Michigan have never panned out and his case is still open.

Tom Bradley,  Jerry Sandusky’s successor as defensive coordinator upon his retirement, is acting PSU head coach will lead the team in their last home game against Nebraska this Saturday.

“We’re in a very unprecedented area,” Bradley said Thursday. “We have to find a way to restore the confidence [in the university] and start the healing process.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2011/11/10/bradley-takes-penn-state-job-with-mixed-emotions/#ixzz1dKl0ccEd

Recommended reading by Rick Reilly.

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330 Comments

  1. beejay says:

    Okay, you Blinksters that know all about North Fox Island, take it from here and see if there’s anything that addresses Blink’s question about what happened in 2010.

    Quickly, I found an April, 2010 article stating that, “According to the lawsuit filed Tuesday in Oakland County Circuit Court, King has asked for records relating to Busch under the Freedom of Information Act.”

    [King's son was Timothy, one of the children murdered in Oakland County between Feb '76--March '77]

    link:
    http://www.theoaklandpress.com/articles/2010/04/28/news/cops_and_courts/doc4bd8386be338b490587017.txt?viewmode=default

    Michigan State Police and FBI were investigating and King sued because he couldn’t get any answers short of suing.

    So, did Sandusky, PSU, or others take note of this in a general sort of cautionary way? Or in a more specific way related to Second Mile, donors to SM and/or to PSU or something else? I’m shooting in the dark here, and have already vowed to stay away from this case anyhow.

    Anybody see a connection??

  2. tulip says:

    Question: Will the prosecution get a FAIR trial in State College?!?! I’m afraid, very afraid, they will not and Sandusky will go free (a la you know who…)

    I see the special investigation committee at PSU as nothing but the fox guarding the hen house – hope I’m wrong, but I have my reasons.

    My thoughts on McQueary saying his side of his story has not been told (boo hoo), I TRUST THE GRAND JURY’S INVESTIGATION!!

    p.s. IF Paterno stopped McQueary from detailing the anal rape of a young boy AND IF Paterno never discussed ANYTHING with Sandusky about abusing children, then he is even more morally bankrupt than I already thought.

    Ya know, every time I hear about a Paterno worshipper lighting a candle outside his house or a McQueary fan making excuses for him I want to puke. I can not believe this is happening in 2011.

  3. sunshine_4me says:

    It is such a disgrace to the victims that JS is denying the claims (which was expected) and will have to fight to prove the validity of their accusations. So they will have to relive the trauma. This article highlights how other agencies/teams have had their own coverups. It is such a shame that it took the victim of the Red Sox team to hold up a sign during a game stating their club house mananger sexually abused him to get something done regarding the abuse within their organization.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/15/penn-state-second-mile-not-first-to-be-embroiled-in-sex-abuse-scandal/

  4. beejay says:

    Blink: what you said. Only I wonder if he’ll never even make the first statement under oath. Unless he grows a brain, he’ll never see it coming.

    ____
    Blink said:
    …nobody thinks Jerry will ever see the inside of a jail cell, and if I were him or his family, that should concern me greatly.

  5. beejay says:

    I’m confused. Posting on both threads, randomly. LOL on me!

  6. tulip says:

    Paterno mum on Sandusky speculations

    by Audrey Snyder
    Collegian Staff Writer
    APRIL 1, 2011 at 10:02 PM

    (snipped)
    It didn’t take long for Joe Paterno to dismiss the speculations surrounding a grand jury investigation involving former long-time defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.

    With reporters on hand for Paterno’s spring press conference, the 84-year-old looked through his thick glasses, shook his head side to side and didn’t want to waste time talking about the past.

    “Well, you know we came here to talk about football and this football team and I don’t have any comment on that,” Paterno said when asked about allegations involving Sandusky indecently assaulting a teenage boy that stemmed from a story that appeared in The Harrisburg Patriot-News on Thursday.

    http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2011/04/01/paterno_mum_on_sandusky_speculations.aspx
    ______________________________________
    didn’t want to waste time??!?!!

  7. puzzled says:

    I am convinced for reasons I can only guess at, that nobody thinks Jerry will ever see the inside of a jail cell, and if I were him or his family, that should concern me greatly.

    B
    ~~~
    Sandusky is in deep deep denial about his behavior … when the consequences of his conduct become real to him, I look for his demise … by his own hand

    appearing as if it were his own doing, yes.
    B

  8. Rose says:

    Fine opinion piece by imo the most literary & incisive US sports journalist, a career of almost 5 decades starting in Philly:
    http://www.cleveland.com/livingston/index.ssf/2011/11/in_the_greatest_trial_of_joe_p.html

    Agreed.
    B

  9. Rose says:

    @Puzzled. At this point, having heard his voice on interview, I don’t think (even with therapy) he could EVER see more than horseplau. He truly believes his own story, and if his thinking was once flexible, it’s not now.

  10. Rose says:

    @Blink. You don’t think being disappeared like Gricar & Hoffa is more likely?

    That would be highly overt, but possible, but any of the above scenarios I mentioned as well, almost 500 years at his age you would think one would be scripting a proffer, not drivel.
    B

  11. erose says:

    And the Fresh Air Fund and NYC check for possible involvement. IMO, the more jourisdictions that are involved, the more power afforded the prosecution, the more confidence for the survivors.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/15/us-usa-crime-coach-newyork-idUSTRE7AE20F20111115

  12. tulip says:

    Blink said:
    …nobody thinks Jerry will ever see the inside of a jail cell, and if I were him or his family, that should concern me greatly
    _______________________________

    Certainly could be wrong, but I don’t see a monster like Sandusky committing suicide. After all, ya know he just “loved” those little boys.. he would never hurt them (from the typical sick mind of a perv).

    Blink, is your remark due to possible vigilantism OR from (someone(s) need to ensure Sandusky takes other secrets to the grave?

    Either. But I agree with you 100% this man would never commit suicide, unless someone told him using a toothbrush would not actually kill him.

    Sorry, I am having a day, and the teeth thing, it needed addressing.

    B

  13. T. Ruth says:

    puzzled says:
    November 15, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    I am convinced for reasons I can only guess at, that nobody thinks Jerry will ever see the inside of a jail cell, and if I were him or his family, that should concern me greatly.

    B
    ~~~
    Sandusky is in deep deep denial about his behavior … when the consequences of his conduct become real to him, I look for his demise … by his own hand

    appearing as if it were his own doing, yes.
    B

    ******
    This is scary stuff. Why would Sandusky’s attorney have him do that interview? Is someone else who’s involved in this scandal setting ol’ Jerry up to take the fall for others involved in hopes that JS’s untimely death will end it all? Why isn’t Sandusky in jail anyway, maybe even under suicide watch? Wow.

  14. Malty says:

    Life as he knows it is over anyway

  15. tulip says:

    (sigh)

    Sandusky Scandal: Kenneth Frazier a serious conflict of interest (Free Republic exclusive)

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2806884/posts

    (snipped)
    Penn State’s board of trustees last Friday appointed Kenneth Frazier, the chief executive of Merck & Co. as well as Penn State alumni, to
    lead a special committee to investigate the Sandusky sordid matter.

    In the interest of disclosure, Merck was a client of mine for years, years ago, I have no current affiliation.

    If I did, I would ask wtf he was thinking. Clear conflict, appoint an independent on the corporations behalf as is entirely appropriate due to the “giving” status. I will say that Merck was extremely serious and strict about their giving practices and structurally, a best in practice company. I believe this is knee-jerk, and I expect cooler heads to prevail.

    This could be a disaster at least in the short term, for some of the larger donors to Second Mile.

    Is anyone else still in disbelief this is really going on? Put me back in training pants people, I thought I had seen everything.

    B
    Merck & Co was one of Second Mile’s largest repeat donors for the past several years 2006 (> $50,000), 2007 ($5,000-$9,999), 2008 ($5,000-$9,999), and 2009 ($2,000-4,999).
    __________________________________________________________________

    Jerry Sandusky does himself no favors with Bob Costas interview
    By RICHARD ROEPER rroeper@suntimes.com November 15, 2011 12:48PM

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/roeper/8850119-452/jerry-sandusky-does-himself-no-favors-with-bob-costas-interview.html

    (snipped)
    Sandusky’s lawyer says they’ve been looking for the young man who was allegedly raped by Sandusky when he was 10 years old in 2002 and says, “We believe we have found him, and if we have found him, he is telling a very different story than Mike McQueary, and that’s big news.”
    _____________

    I found this frightening. Is there a possibility that Sandusky et al will find and pay off these victims to change their testimony?

    In any case, the FEDS need to come in, IMO.

  16. tulip says:

    sorry, meant to say:

    attempt to pay off these victims or threaten them

  17. T. Ruth says:

    You all probably already have this information, but since someone said this stuff is disappearing here’s a link to Second Mile’s board members and financial information. http://pittsburghgives.guidestar.org/NonprofitProfile.aspx?OrgId=1052096

  18. erose says:

    Seems to me Sandusky, pedophile guilty as sin Sandusky, is being set up and someone is pulling the strings on his attorney. In fact if they are flying together, I would want an independent maintenance check on the plane if I were Amendolas. He might even be being double played. What defense attorney concedes the allegations might be true? This is a display.

    McQ’s email implies there is so much more going on here, and he is in protective custody. Protection from who, exactly? If Sandusky is “free to roam” and McQ is not, it implies McQ is under threat by Sandusky people or Penn State Football fans.

    Sandusky has more information that McQ, and might want to trade it in for some of those 490 years. Don’t throw tomatoes at me, but where is Sandusky’s protection? No one cares, which is exactly how and why they can get to him. He belongs in jail for the communities protection as well as the protection of the information he possesses.

    If not by his own doing, then some angry, random, never found activist could fit the bill as well. (It’s hard not to think conspiratorial, when years of conspiracy was going on.)
    ——————————————–
    appearing as if it were his own doing, yes.
    B

    Xactly’
    Thus my if I were his family I would be very concerned.
    B

  19. puzzled says:

    appearing as if it were his own doing, yes.
    B

    Xactly’
    Thus my if I were his family I would be very concerned.
    B
    ~~~
    not posting that although I got a chuckle- you understand
    B

  20. T. Ruth says:

    Interesting isn’t it, how I go to wiki corp. to look at some of the corporations owned by some of the board members and low and behold their profiles were just changed, ummm, 11/12, 11/13. WTH?

  21. Venetia says:

    http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/arizona_man_says_penn_state_of.html

    Arizona man says Penn State officials ignored his report of abuse by a former professor

  22. Sweetie_Pi says:

    Excuse if already mentioned here, as it is likely, but you prolly have the list of NAMBLA members – have you done a xref?

    No, this is way underground.
    B

  23. T. Ruth says:

    A company listed as eTravco, inc. has two SM board member connections. http://www.corporationwiki.com/Pennsylvania/State-College/blair-caple/40031906.aspx

    just noting. (I always think in these pedo rings, if there is any human trafficking going on, how are the victims transported?)

  24. tulip says:

    Second Mile Raised Funds For Judge

    Updated: Tuesday, 15 Nov 2011, 5:22 PM EST
    Published : Tuesday, 15 Nov 2011, 4:28 PM EST

    http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/penn_state/second-mile-raised-funds-for-judge-111511

    (snipped)
    PHILADELPHIA – Documents released by a Philadelphia-area representative show The Second Mile, Jerry Sandusky’s former charity, raised money for the judge who freed him on unsecured bail.

    Rep. Mike Vereb said in a statement he wants the state Supreme Court and Attorney General to review what happened at Sandusky’s arraignment last weekend.

  25. tulip says:

    Nebraska Coach Bo Pelini Didn’t Want to Play Penn State, Despite Win
    Submitted by Alex Groberman on Nov 13, 2011

    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/ncaa-football/nebraska-cornhuskers/nebraska-coach-bo-pelini-didn%E2%80%99t-want-play-penn-state

    (snipped)
    After his team earned their much-needed victory, Nebraska head coach Bo Pelini spoke to the press. And in one short sound-byteable sentiment, he more or less said what everyone else in America had been thinking all along.

    “Going into the football game, I didn’t think the game should have been played, for a lot of different reasons. My job as a football coach is to educate and to prepare the kids that come into the program for the rest of their life and that’s what we are.

    “The situation that’s going on is bigger than football. It’s bigger than that game we just played. It’s bigger than the young men in the game who would have missed it had they called it off.”

    Much like LSU head coach Les Miles did earlier in the week, Pelini expressed feelings maintained by a lot of others. Nobody really cared about the game that took place. It wasn’t an escape from the reality of what had transpired at Penn State over the last decade, IT WAS JUST A FURTHER REMINDER OF WHAT THE UNIVERSITY ALLEGEDLY PLACED ABOVE BASIC COMMON DECENCY(my caps).

    At a certain point, you figure Penn State will get it. But if history is any indicator, that magical day won’t come nearly as quickly as it should.

  26. Malty says:

    Pedophile
    That label is going cost him everything
    But surely he knew that

  27. joanindixie says:

    I’m not sure my heart can take on any more right now folks. The C-case almost sucked the life out of me as I know it did many of you, but God help us. There seem to be so many monsters in our midst that my mind is completely blown.

    I do agree with the assessment about Paterno. He was fired, I believe, for reasons not revealed, but will eventually turn out to be at the very least, protecting and covering for his program and his place in history at all costs, or the very worst, himself a participant. Repugnant and unbelievable I know, but then again, a known predator was allowed to not only roam the campus, but formed a charity for his victim pool which huge corporations and wealthy individuals were sponsoring.

    After reading about other cases, NOTHING is out of the realm of possibility here, and while I dread the continuing revelations, truth must prevail right here right now.

    Thanks to all of you here who continue to research, educate, inform, and shed light on this ultimate evil. I have learned so very much – while disheartening, important nonetheless. I value each and every one – all far more thoughtful and coherent than I.

  28. NJessup says:

    New to the site. Everyone here is doing an incredible job digging into this story. This entire ordeal disgusts me in ways I can’t even describe. I’m sorry if this has been discussed/posted before, but is it really true that PSU sold university land to The Second Mile in 2002? Please see the link below:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-14/head-of-foundation-linked-to-penn-state-chiod-sex-abuse-scandal-quits.html

    The article states:

    “Penn State sold land for construction of a new learning center to Second Mile in 2002, documents show.

    The foundation bought 41 acres in Patton Township, Pennsylvania, for $168,500 from Penn State, according to documents submitted to the state as part of the charity’s application for a $3 million grant.”

    Does anyone know if this was before or after the shower incident? This revelation brings all kinds of questions to mind.

  29. erose says:

    It’s a real mess, Mr. Katz. Are you in the midst of it? Did Sandusky write a How To Groom A Community With Charitable Endeavors? Quoting Katz, “Do you really want to become a witness in a case or would you just rather get rid of the guy?” Evidently, you are no better than Paterno, to ask this, my question is, are you any better than Sandusky?

    snips>
    Lewis Katz, who donated $15 million to Penn State University and whose name appears on a campus law building, said the school officials who stepped down after a former football assistant was charged with sexually assaulting children are “taking a fall” for the football program, including coach Joe Paterno.

    “Paterno had a 30-year relationship with the guy,” Katz said. “Do you want to really become a witness in a case or would you rather just get rid of this guy? It’s a real mess.”

    http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-08/penn-state-officials-taking-fall-for-paterno-donor-katz-says

    snip>
    His success in the business world has allowed him to donate his time and resources to help others. Upon his purchase of the Nets, he pledged his share of the team’s profit to benefit inner city schools and to children in Camden and other New Jersey cities. Most recently, he established the Boys and Girls Club of Camden County.

    http://www.dvrbs.com/People/CamdenPeople-LewisKatz.htm

  30. lizzy says:

    @NJessup, there were more detailed articles about this, and I’ve been hunting for them this evening. If I recall correctly, at least one article specifically said that Second Mile would no longer need to use PSU dorms to house the kids for their summer camps. It struck me as odd at the time, because there are SO many summer camps and other events held at PSU.

    Check out the artist rendering at the link. The kids would stay right there . . . dorms that I’m sure would have been complete with showers. (Sorry, but I am REALLY ticked about this(&(*^(*^ today.)

    http://www.centredaily.com/2011/08/10/2873680/learning-center-gets-3-million.html

  31. lizzy says:

    @NJessup, another article in the local paper from January of this year.

    When I read this one and the comments, I remember thinking that it seemed really odd to plan a dorm that could house 200, but would only be used during the summer and ONE WEEK during the academic year. What a waste of money that could be used to really help kids, was my reaction. Who can afford this? Even most universities are looking for ways to fill their dorms in the summer when student enrollment is down.

    http://www.centredaily.com/2011/01/05/2433589/85-million-learning-center-planned.html

    Sorry about being a blog hog on this topic, but . . . I’m so not finished.

  32. erose says:

    If he stopped it, then what happened to the boy? Does he mean Sandusky stopped momentarily when he saw McQ standing there? Because if McQ left that locker room without the child, then what point is he making here?
    ——————————————————————–
    In the email, McQueary said:

    “I did stop it, not physically … but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room … I did have discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police …. no one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds … trust me.

    “I am getting hammered for handling this the right way … or what I thought at the time was right … I had to make tough, impacting quick decisions.”

    In the email, McQueary states that he also told Penn State University police about what he saw that night.

    “The graduate assistant was never questioned by University police and no other entity conducted an investigation,” according to the presentment.

    http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/email_mcqueary_did_talk_to_pol.html#incart_hbx

  33. erose says:

    Oh, and McQ, we can all think of one person who would have gladly been in your shoes, instead of his little bare feet. Trust me.
    ——————————————————————
    “…no one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds … trust me.” – McQueary

  34. erose says:

    2007 and the Penn State public information legislation. Lloyd Huck is an Elm Circle Member, Penn State Board of Trustees and Merck CEO. It links to Spanier’s speech. Sorry, I could only find a bias reporting on the subject. Was Spainer concerned about salaries, patents or a child sex abuse cover up?

    http://thorsteinveblen.blogspot.com/2007/06/lloyd-huck-tries-to-undo-grahams-damage.html

  35. Rose says:

    after 10 straight hrs on college apps, not processing well, but @ lizzy re: http://www.centredaily.com/2011/01/05/2433589/85-million-learning-center-planned.html 
     I’ve not reviewed the professional training of the big-salaries couple who have run this org for so long, but IMO this Learning Center is a monument to hubris.  I can’t believe graduate school trained social workers or educators would design a one week sleepaway service delivery model to achieve any academic, social skills, self esteem, or other goals.  Only a one week sleepaway sports camp makes sense as a programmatic goal with this model.   But that doesnt take a monument costing millions.  Usually summer sports camps held at colleges & boarding schools.  Only reason to have your own dorms is for non-typical level of control & privacy–or to make more money by hosting other groups at stiff fees. Anyway, imo it’s the polar opposite of a social or academic service delivery model.  That should be in the childrens’ neighbor setting & offer continuity.  Where is the Director’s programmatic policy-setting supervision?   

  36. erose says:

    Three strikes, he’s out.
    ——————————————————————-
    Former Penn State President Graham Spanier, who served on the board of U.S. Steel since 2008, resigned today.

    It was U.S. Steel CEO John Surma, who is vice-chairman of Penn State’s Board of Trustees, who announced Spanier’s firing at a nationally televised press conference last week.

    Read more: http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/15/2987462/spanier-resigns-from-board-of.html#comment-364060780#ixzz1drCMBl2z

    Navy secretary Ray Mabus has recommended that former Penn State president Graham Spanier be removed from the advisory board of the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, NPS officials reported Monday.

    Lt. Cmdr. Alana Garas said the Navy secretary’s decision was forwarded Monday to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta for approval.

    The advisory board serves both Monterey’s naval school and the Naval War College in Rhode Island.

    Monterey Herald.com
    NPS’ Spanier urged off board in wake of Penn State scandal
    Link won’t post.

    Read more: http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/15/2987462/spanier-resigns-from-board-of.html#comment-364060780#ixzz1drCMBl2z

  37. erose says:

    @lizzy,
    Great research. I might be hyper-sensitive, but by the airport and locker rooms? Sounds like advertising to me.

    lizzy says:
    November 15, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    The new facility also will have a fitness room and locker rooms.

    Read more: http://www.centredaily.com/2011/08/10/2873680/learning-center-gets-3-million.html#ixzz1drL7rOsZ

  38. Valley Girl says:

    Some excellent sleuthing fellow Blinkers! Thanks for all the hard work that each of you do to contribute to this wonderful site!

    MOO…Mark McQueary is in full CYA mode now. I suspect that his “friends” have been dropping like flies since this story broke and he is now trying to sell this line of BS. That, or he lied to the Grand Jury…take your pick. Despicable, either way.

    As for listening to Sandusky’s interview (sorry, only heard snippets) I have to admit that when he responded to the question “Do you find young boys sexually attractive?”…it gave me chills. He sounded as if he was SMILING when replying. Like the cat that just ate the canary…Ugh!

  39. beejay says:

    As I posted earlier today, maybe on the other thread here, now I’m thinking Sandusky’s atty is just brilliant for letting JS run his mouth.

    Oh, and he’s pretty experienced at defending Penn State folks in sex crimes, too. Here’s just ONE:

    “The Sandusky case won’t be Amendola’s first time defending a client from allegations of child sexual abuse. Christopher G. Lee, a Harris Township supervisor and Boal Mansion CEO, was represented by Amendola after he was charged with three counts of indecent assault on 8-and 10- year-old boys. Lee entered an accelerated rehabilitative disposition program in which he did not enter either a guilty or not-guilty plea.”

    Read more: http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/16/2988114/spotlight-shines-on-sandusky-attorney.html#ixzz1dt06Q5Gp

    There are other earlier cases mentioned at that link, so all you sleuthers dig in!

  40. PAFan says:

    This is sad beyond belief. And knowing that the wife was in on it, even to the point of contacting a victim. Just unbelievable!

  41. beejay says:

    BishopAccountability.org is said to have a list of two dozen or so clerics with sex crime charges who are in the diocese where Judge Dutchcot and hubby Arthur Entz are active members at Church of the Good Shepherd. (Others at PSU might belong to some of those churches too.) Not J. Sandusky–he’s Methodist. I’ve found a lot of that church’s official site’s info either empty or difficult to pull the link up/server error msg. They might be in disaray because their longtime pastor died this past spring (natural causes). IDK

    http://goodshepherd-sc.org/Web Bulletin 11-6-11.pdf

  42. Malty says:

    Mcqueary should have got the child out of there
    He did not
    That is what I see

  43. Rose says:

    @beejay. Don’t ya think Christopher sent an attorney recommendation over to Jerry, the similarity of their targets? A great reference. Wonder what judge signed off on Christopher Lee’s disposition? What DA it was assigned to?

  44. lizzy says:

    @beejay

    http://www.bishop-accountability.org/usccb/natureandscope/dioceses/altoonajohnstownpa.htm

    The deceased pastor you mentioned could not bring himself to have the then-Bishop’s letters read or distributed at the church, as directed. The unveiling of the abuses by the priests in this diocese and others appalled him so much that I believe he almost left the church. While there may have been other factors, I also believe it was a key reason that he developed an alcohol dependency, and took a leave for rehabilitation. He was open about his addiction, and did not attempt to hide it from the parish, as he had enough of secrecy.

    Let us hope that the new bishop in this diocese is of a higher caliber than the last.

    If you haven’t found it yet, Paterno is currently key in building a Catholic student center adjacent to the Penn State campus, essentially in his own neighborhood. I believe that his family attends another parish in the community, not the one you’ve linked above.

  45. beejay says:

    So, is this ultimately going to link back to 10 missing rolls of film (and who is on them doing what) that were confiscated from Chris Busch?

    http://www.johndouglasmindhunter.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=44926&sid=65df41400fd8ccdfd34b779d5336ba6d

    I can tell you there is a mine field of data in between those alleged rolls of film, who had them, who ended up with them, and where they are now. I have a DOB confirmed for GS, but no birth cert.

    B

  46. tulip says:

    Mike McQueary’s statement to police doesn’t say he stopped attack or notified police about Sandusky allegations

    Wednesday, November 16, 2011

    (snipped)
    Penn State assistant football coach Mike McQueary never mentioned that he talked to police in 2002 after witnessing an alleged sexual assault by Jerry Sandusky of a young boy, according to a hand-written statement McQueary gave to police during the recent grand jury investigation.

  47. beejay says:

    TY Blink. (I think) Oh my. Nothing–and nobody–is going to be lost, I hope.

    I’m really not doing this; I’m working on Ky stuff. (Mantra)

    For anyone who wants to start backtracking to North Fox Island, Grosse Point hunt club folks, wherever this will end up, here’s some links for background reading. A lot of the original references will be gone. But a lot of the stuff has been archived and analyzed, up to a point.

    Still thinking about Blink’s question of what happened in 2010.

    ___________

    From the investigative journalist who broke early stories, a snippet:

    “…Boston area police last week arrested two prominent Massachusetts men wanted by Louisiana authorities in connection with an alleged pornographic ring operating out of New Orleans.
    The suspects, charged with conspiracy to commit homosexual rape and ag-gravated crimes against nature, were identified as industrialist Richard C. Jacobs and realtor Hugh Scott Mellor….”

    taken from:
    http://international.loc.gov/service/digsymlinks/001/001838/00183854/0018385411/00183854112/00000096.txt

    Other background reading, same set of records, at:

    http://international.loc.gov/service/digsymlinks/001/001838/00183854/0018385411/00183854112/00000092.txt

    http://www.truecrimediary.com/index.cfm?page=cases&id=132

    http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/730/421/345229/

    For the truly committed, and you’ll find interesting info about lots of child-protection issues, this link should take you into the congresssional hearings toward the end. (Do not continue to pages 22-23 if you’ve eaten recently):

    http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/united-states-congress-senate-committee-on-the/protection-of-children-against-sexual-exploitation–hearings-before-the-subcomm-tin/page-21-protection-of-children-against-sexual-exploitation–hearings-before-the-subcomm-tin.shtml

    A WORD OF CAUTION ON BEEJAY’S RESEARCH:

    A BULK OF THIS REPORTING IS OVER 30 YEARS OLD AND THE POLITICALLY CORRECT USAGE OF SOME OF THE CRIMES COMMITTED IS ARCHAIC AND MAY BE OFFENSIVE TO SOME. PLEASE DO NOT WASTE TIME ON COMMENTING ABOUT HOW SOME ARTICLE CALLS A PEDO RING A HOMOSEXUAL RING OR SOME OTHER NONSENSE. THESE PEOPLE ARE SEXUAL PREDATORS, AND WORSE, AND WE HAVE ALL PROGRESSED OUR KNOWLEDGE BASES SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE THIS ERA.

    IT IS BEING POSTED AS A PREVIOUS EXAMPLE OF ABUSE OF DISADVANTAGED KIDS WHO WERE BETRAYED BY THEIR VERY OWN SYSTEM, AND IT IS BEYOND HAUNTING. THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE CONTEXT TO THE CURRENT CASE, AND IF THERE ARE ANY NAMED CONNECTIONS THAT POP UP.

    GOOD WORK BEEJAY

    b

  48. landlmom says:

    I hope these words haunt him until the end of his days!!!
    McQueary has been placed on administrative leave. Paterno has gained a lawyer and a public relations expert. Everything else — that is, everything Paterno always said was truly important — appears lost. On a plaque behind a bronze statue of Paterno on campus is a quote from the coach. “They ask me what I’d like written about me when I’m gone. I hope they write I made Penn State a better place. Not just that I was a good football coach.” Paterno failed.

    link: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-11-16/penn-state-girl-out-of-love-with-paterno-margaret-carlson.html

  49. puzzled says:

    early reports that the judge who gave sandusky freedom without bail has been replaced … adt

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