Search for Isabel Celis Leads To Cadaver Alert In Home And Local Landfill- Family Barred From Home
Tucson, AZ- Missing since Saturday morning around 8 am, six year old Isabel Celis was believed to be taken from the safety of her bedroom sometime after 11PM on Friday evening.
After Isa’s Mother Becky Celis left for work as a pediatric nurse at Tuscon Medical Center her Father told police he went to wake her at about 8am and she was not in her bed. The blinds in her room were askew and her window was open.
The screen to her window had been removed. Sergio Celis’s call t0 911 has not been released.
Early this morning, the FBI deployed a scent tracking dog and a cadaver canine to the Celis home. The family was then asked to make other living arrangements for the near future as the dogs produced evidence requiring further investigation.
Police Chief Roberto Villasenor would not reveal what was found at the home of first-grader Isabel Mercedes Celis.
Police have not said what that is, but sources close to the family not willing to be identified have confirmed to www.blinkoncrime.com that the specially trained cadaver dog alerted to the detection of cadaverine.
The home is now being treated as a crime scene.
Police have not ruled out the parents as possible suspects, nor have they commented on whether or not the residence of a sex offender in the immediate neighborhood has been searched after obtaining new warrants today that have been sealed. Another residence on the same street as the Celis family was searched this morning.
Late this afternoon, investigators headed to the landfill where the trash from the neighborhood was emptied Saturday prior to police having an opportunity to secure the scene.
Isabel’s disappearance is eerily similar to that of 10 month old Lisa Irwin , missing from her home since October 3, 2011 and has not been found.
Becky and Sergio Celis, Isabel’s parents have not spoken publicly about their daughter’s disappearance.
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Cindy, maybe you are right. It did to me sound like overly acting, the way they tilted their heads like they had just done a high school drama, read from a script so they would not slip up. Nancy said he did have an arrest from a drug thing but was let up It is very weird
Re-watched the parents plea , and noticed on this particular news footage, there appears to be a woman , who notably stands out of camera shot while the mom is speaking and clearly steps to a different angle to view the dad speaking.
I do believe she is either LE or BAU/FBI
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-tucson-girl-isabel-celis-surveillance-videos-hold/story?id=16210060#.T5iIV9WkCIA
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Also wondering if anyone has heard whether dad was home the entire
morning, prior to and after mom went to work. (before he called 911)
Say maybe ran an early errand, ran to the dump, IDK?
I am not feeling that if something happened to Isabel at the home, Becky would cover that up.
I want to hear the 911 tape.
B
posting this to show the crimes related to this area! Scroll down and choose crimes if this doesn’t post correctly
http://www.trulia.com/homes/Arizona/Tucson/sold/1082567-5602-E-12th-St-Tucson-AZ-85711
I just watched the video and that was WEIRD. I don’t want to pick on someone’s show of their faith, but as a Catholic, it is odd that they are shown wearing rosaries, both of them wearing rosaries. they are not typically worn. Was this to make them look like good and holy people? I don’t know, but it was a bit odd.
Had they showed these people or a group of people PRAYING the rosary for her safe return, I would have been a little more impressed. Again, maybe I am being too judgmental. Anyone else think this was odd?
I have never been in their shoes, but there were no tears. Since there were no tears, I could believe they were just out of tears had they seemed less “rehearsed”.
Good window analysis. I don’t see how one person could remove a child unnoticed through a window of that size.
Let’s assume the worst case scenario — that her bed is directly beneath the window and the abductor has climbed in unnoticed. Now, to get the child out of the window he either has to:
a) Push her through the opening and drop her to the ground below, or
b) Slide out the window first and then pull her through while holding aside the blinds.
If she is awake and alert, neither method will work without the girl struggling, making noise and getting free.
He would have needed to incapacitate her to get her through the window. Even then, it makes for a very awkward and risky exit.
The window is not working for anyone as I understand the efforts on the ground.
B
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000787896099&sk=wall
Above, the mother’s FB page. One thing I notice a bit odd is no reference to the Celis family in her friends, not even her husband.
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Is this Sergio some years ago, 2004? http://www.basysconsulting.com/AOC/Photos/Sweeney/index.html
(I did see a reference to Becky saying something in regard to her Jules, I think it was being in the Opera.)
I don’t know about anyone else here but after following the Horman case and seeing the parents use the same line about “wanting to keep to keep the focus on Isabel”…..well, same question as in that case, Why would it go anywhere else? What is it you are trying to say without actually coming out and saying it? What is more important, your reputation? your marital problems? or finding your child?
Sorry, but this is coping an attitude and it really upsets me. There is a child missing…..like others have said in Kyron’s case, just come out with it…..IMO, the parents don’t need to worry, the focus will go where it needs to……to find a missing little child. Release the ghosts in the closet and you may just find your child. Prayers for Isa and all who love her. ()
That is Mr. Celis T.Ruth, good find.
B
And has anyone noticed that if you google Isabel’s name, some of the top stories are about the family saying they will never give up looking for her? Isn’t that odd to say so early on? Like they expect the search to go on for a long time. JMO
My impression was that the dad’s statement looked acted and forced. But it’s hard to know if this was because he was nervous and felt that it was important to come across as worried and distraught, like parents are expected to look if their child is missing.
Just want to be clear about my earlier post about the mother, Becky. I am not thinking she had anything to do with her daughter missing. I am asking,
Who put her to bed and/or checked on her at ll:00 p.m.?
If not Becky, was she already in bed?
What time did Becky herself last see her daughter?
What time did she get up to get ready for work?
What time did mother leave the house?
I’m just trying to narrow the time line of the *abduction*. One would think that if Becky was gone by 8:00 a.m., when the father went to wake up Isa, then if Becky was an RN (who often pull 10 hour shifts) that she (Becky) might have been in bed already the night before when Isa went to bed at 11:00. I would like to know what her shift was, just for timing. I’m guessing, it must have been before 8:00 a.m. clock-in because otherwise, she probably would have gotten her daughter up herself, you know, figuring maybe before she herself got ready for work. Anyway, the news reports keep saying that Isa *disappeared” between 11:00 and 8:00, I’m guessing since mom was up earlier, that window is narrower. I’d just like to know how much.
The “clinch” for me is the dogs. No way they didn’t hear and no way a stranger gets in and them NOT make a ruckus! A known friend, yes..but no stranger. I have toyed with the idea someone initially tried the window and didn’t “clean up” and detoured to using another means of access and exit. But, I still don’t buy any of this story because of the dogs. This was an “inside” job or done by a close friend or relative that would not have alerted the dogs. MOO!
The clinch for me is that there is video since day one.
B
The Celis’ neighbor now says she heard a commotion, dogs barking and more than one man’s voice, around 6:30 that morning. But she says that seemed normal?
http://www.kvoa.com/news/neighbor-reports-noise-before-celis-disappearance/
In an article I read today stated “Police do not believe she was taken out of state.” This seems to be the only indicator of any thoughts LE has at this time. This comment bothers me deeply. Do they believe someone in the family is responsible and did not have time to take her out of state or do they believe this to be random? Tucson is at least 2 hours from New Mexico and several from Las Vegas or California. Another thought, Tucson is infamous for coyotes. Illegal immigrants crossing thus the crime rate is high. Last and not least the video surveillance from 225 feet away. Did they obtain this today or prior? Could this be a reason for LE researching the red car or did an item previously taken have something for them to further investigate?
Blink-
Regarding your question on having a finished basement. I lived in Florence, AZ approx an hour from Tucson for some time. Basements in AZ are unheard of, not that families may have them, just not anyone I ever knew. We had a construction business and never once had I come across a basement.
TY Katy.
B
This is only a thought/ opinion please take it for what it is…
LE is building a case against person or persons they believe has involvement. The family have been aware they are investigating the perp/s. In the beginning the family was asked to lie low to keep from leaking any information. Until media outlets became so highly involved. In particular Nancy Grace. Read the transcript for 4/24/12 they talk in great depths about the family not coming into the open pleading for their daughters return. Oddly after this aired the family sets a conference to do exactly what the experts spoke of on the show. Earlier in the week they issued a statement on how they will never stop looking. Additionally, they were thanking the pulic for their help almost in a way of conclusion rather than ongoing search. This told me a few things A) This is their way of stating their innocence B) They want their daughter home C) They have an idea of what has happened or who has done the unthinkable. Then as I mentioned in a previous post LE does not believe the child was taken out of state. Presenting the idea there was not enough time to go out of state.
How do you know that the windows you referred to are Isabel’s br windows? From Miss Bombfizzle Nancy Grace? lol That looks to be the garage. LE is not confirming the window was an entry or exit point and in this local newsclip her br window is on the opposite side of the house from where you claim her br window is.
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149009015.html
That is inaccurrate. Check the tree just inside the wall portion and review against the surveillance video angles. That said, I do not have a layout of the floor plan.
B
Apologies for post after post….so many thoughts. Looking at the family spokesperson, uncle Justin. He does not settle well with me for the following reasons:
A) When speaking on their behalf he only associates himself with the family one time by using the word “our”. Other than one word he has distanced himself from reality or the family or both. Speaking as a detective who has been assigned to a case would speak on behalf of the family who is in grievance. Not as a member of the family.
B) He speaks of Isabella in past tense not as if he knows she is gone
C) He spoke of the window being the intruders point of entry saying the blinds were pushed to the side. they are horizontal are they wood? my wood blinds if out of place are not so much I would go as far as saying pushed to the side they just get one or two rows out of place. Are they vinyl? May get messed up but again pushed to the side would imply they were out of the way. In order to be out of the way they would have to get hung on something.
D) Video showing him laying over a car hanging out as if he were a nosy neighbor watching news crews near not an uncle or a brother
I still to this day cannot understand why people want to hurt or take away children… i just cant understand why people intertwined into our society have this huge character flaw that reflects a monster inside them towards our precious babies…or anyone really. .
My idealogy scares me to think I and others can be so niave to these monsters. I need to reread “The Gift of Fear” From now on, i dont care what people think about my warnings and over reactions to things… I must tell my self over and over, I will NEVER regret being over protective. I pray they find this little girl alive. She is a bright ray of sunshine, I see it in her smile! Prayers for this family.
since there are cameras in the vicinity of the home, i have to believe the police and fbi know a lot more than they are saying. somehow the child was removed from the home, most likely in a vehicle of some kind or possibly in a bag of some sort, which would mean that it was likely an adult many carrying her if this was the case.
a neighbor reported that around 6 30 am, her dogs, and the Celis’ dogs were “going nuts.” Here is a link to the article: http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149009015.html
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April 26, 2012 at 4:24 am
How do you know that the windows you referred to are Isabel’s br windows? From Miss Bombfizzle Nancy Grace? lol That looks to be the garage. LE is not confirming the window was an entry or exit point and in this local newsclip her br window is on the opposite side of the house from where you claim her br window is.
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149009015.html
That is inaccurrate. Check the tree just inside the wall portion and review against the surveillance video angles. That said, I do not have a layout of the floor plan.
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Blink,
could you expand on this a little more?
when I read this article my head spun in confusion
But, I’m wondering if her window is just further back
The windows “where the activity and commotion” were captured on video are where I pointed them out, the window being referred to as Isa’s bedroom, which there is some disparity as to whether or not it was or whether or not she slept there is inside the stone fence on the opposite side of the house, and is a double hung style.
B
like sits behind the garage? Is that what you mean?
Watching the news this morning, the Today show, showed a neighbor being interviewed who said her bedroom is across the road/alley from Isa’s bedroom. She said she heard male voices outside @ 6:30 a.m. Thought nothing of it, didn’t hear any screams or Isa.
What surveillance video angles? AFAIK LE has not released any surveillance video to the public. You didn’t answer my question. Again, how do you know that the windows you referred to are Isabel’s br windows or are you just assuming that because they are the only windows outside the fenced perimeter? It’s possible someone could have walked through the gate in the front of the home or jumped over the fence to gain access to a window.
Shows exactly what the trajectory of the images the INFARED cameras are facing:
watch this video, Mr. Moore points directly to those windows on that side of the home where the “non running” car is now parked.
http://www.kvoa.com/news/is-surveillance-video-key-to-solving-missing-girl-investigation-/#!prettyPhoto/0/
Yes, the windows on the side of the home were the only ones accessible that are not fenced in.
Yes, of course people can jump a fence, but keep in mind, there were dogs outside.
What does a faik le mean? Are you calling the security guy a fake?
B
at 6: 30 am, when the neighbor heard the male voices and the dogs barking, Isa’s mother still would have been home (according to her) and probobaly getting ready for work. Unless she had the hair blowdryer on or was in the shower I would think she would have heard this activity and checked if it was something out of the ordinary.
Here we go:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47184489/ns/local_news-tucson_az/
(snipped, more @ link)
“My dogs were going crazy,” Alicia Stardevant said, “their dogs were going nuts, and I remember briefly waking up and hearing voices outside my bedroom window.”
That happened around 6:30 a.m., according to Stardevant. Celis was reported missing around 8:15 a.m.
A wall separates Stardevant from the Celis home. Isabel’s bedroom is directly through that wall, according to Stardevant.
She could not hear what the voices were saying. She just said it was more than one man.
The windows “where the activity and commotion” were captured on video are where I pointed them out, the window being referred to as Isa’s bedroom, which there is some disparity as to whether or not it was or whether or not she slept there is inside the stone fence on the opposite side of the house, and is a double hung style.
B
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AH! Gotcha,
Thank ya Blink
Was wondering about mom’s leaving time for work and found this.
Snip>
We are live and taking your calls. A lot of new evidence, a lot of new clues we`ve uncovered overnight. We learned, for one thing, Mom left that morning around 7:30 AM-ish. We learned she did not check Isabel`s room before she left. That was a big question.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/25/ng.01.html
and compared to the above news report
That happened around 6:30 a.m., according to Stardevant. Celis was reported missing around 8:15 a.m.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47184489/ns/local_news-tucson_az/
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Maybe the neighbor had times mixed up! Cops weren’t called until 8:15,
So who were the men at her door at 8:00 that she does not believe were cops?
Not an allegation, but a simple observation which may have no bearing on who is responsible for what happened to this sweetie Isa, but the choice of phrase, which was impromptu by Mr. Celis has been bugging me like crazy.
It was before I knew he was an actor and tenor. The way he approached the platform, perused the crowd, delivered the line please tell us your demands, tell us what you want.
In La Traviata, an opera Mr. Celis sang in as recently as 2008 for sure:
In Violetta/Germont Scene from Down With Tyranny:
VIOLETTA: No! Don’t tell me!
Don’t tell me your terrible demand!
B
If mom had to be at work by 8:00am, then certainly she was up getting ready by 6:30am when the neigbor said she heard the dogs and the mens voices outside!
Nope, Mr. Moore is pointing to the rear of the house that is across the street from the Celis home (5601 12th St.) which is located across the alley behind his business. Mr. Moore’s business is located on Broadway Ave. His cameras are pointed at the parking area behind the business, the alley behind it, the back of the home across from it and the parking lot directly east of the Celis neighbors home. I don’t see the Celis home in the surveillance video (the house across the street from the Celis home blocks it and it has a partial second story that blocks it even more)and I see a very small area of the alley that is west of the business.
How do you know the windows on the west side of the house next to the alley were tampered with? AFAIK (as far as I know) LE has not specified which window that was.
I am sorry you need to watch that again and listen carefully to Mr. Moore, he specifically showed those windows, that red car, and the Celis property.
I have answered your window question at least twice.
B
I don’t know how far away her commute to sowrk is, but could it be that at 6:30 when the neighbor heard the voices and the dogs barking that Becky was in the shower? That would make sense. But, where the heck was everybody else in the house when the dogs were carrying on?
The media footage showed those windows, red car and Celis property but Mr. Moore’s surveillance footage did not. He’s pointing to the corner of the house behind his business. Look it up on Google maps, you can match the images on street view. And no, you didn’t answer my question about how you came to the conclusion which window was tampered with.
I am curious why that little Isabel usually slept with her brothers but on that night she did not.
I find that peculiar.
Those were big boys. 10 and 14. Why would a little girl be sleeping with them.
Also I wonder if mom and dads bedroom was on the upper level on the other side of the home.
Also the neighbor never referred to the voices she heard at 6:30 as being “men”. She said “male” voices.
I don’t personally see anything amiss in press parent statements except some phrases echo the first Horman press conf such that they seem lifted from an FBI guide to parent statements. Remember Tony’s “We miss you. We love you.”? And imo the Celis are imbedded in a culture from Mexico & the Americas where kidnapping is usually associated with a ransom demand of some kind.
We have known company opera singers, orch members, & their children.
They’re up by night & in bed in am.
Their nocturnal cycle differs from us
The season in AZ whether AZ opera or the community college was still on in April.
With love for Traviata, Blink, I think the demand speech more culturally based than operatic or even fact (circumstances of abduction) based. I think some man had seen & wanted this little girl. Shades of Jon Benet.
Watched an appearance of both parents on TV. One never knows for certain, but based on their behavior, they do not seem to be the type to harm a child. Are both the parents of all the children in the house?
Blink has found that the father is a classical musician who is an opera tenor. These people cannot make a living exclusively in music unless they take other engagements in clubs or work somewhere else to provide a steady income. The mother is a nurse. I know there have been nurses who went over the line and killed, but this woman just on appearances just doesn’t fit the type.
Nurses, except for a few, work shifts. These are usually 7:00A.M. to 3:00P.M., 1st shift; 3:00P.M. to 11:00P.M., second shift and 11:00P.M. to 7:00A.M, third shift. This woman should have been up as early as 5:30A.M in order to make the first shift on time.
When one hears mens voices at an early hour in the day, it is always wise to investigate and determine the source.
It appears that LE has some security camera coverage of the area. They may have information from them that is being kept out of the public discourse.
Windows placed high on the wall like the sliders are usually there to allow furniture to be placed under them. This room could be used as a bedroom or some sort of family area.
Finally, I found the link for the Today Show news report I saw this morning. When they discuss Isa’s window, they zoom in on one of the double-hungs. Also, the neighbor points to the double-hung across the wall/fence from her own window. I had a hard time finding this for some reason. Hope it works.
http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/47186327
seems to me only an idiot would go in without strips
of duct tape for mouth & limbs, & meat for dogs.
So I put zero stock in the fact no one heard a struggle.
O my — la Traviatta — that is brilliant! Definitely an actor.
What a beautiful lil girl.
Blink, please edit if needed. I have family all over AZ. A recently retired cousin from law enforcement and also her husband that is still (I believe) to be active. If you need any info…I can try to nudge a lil. Just let me know.
I would imagine the sun was up when the neighbor heard male voices and the barking dogs. I don’t know…someone must have seen/heard something unusual.
I am directionally challenged so I spent this afternoon looking at the Moore Security Solutions 5608 Broadway map in relation to 5602 E. 12th Street. I watched the video with Moore Security and watched the video to the lady witness next door. It appears to me that she lives directly one house west and points to the window she claims is Isebele’s bedroom with the 2 small windows just north of her window that are high up on the west side. Moore Security is north of Isabele’s with a 2 story house between the two. The shot from Moore’s security camera appears to be down Scarlett St which runs along the east side of the 2 story house behind Moore’s and then east side of Isabele’s house. When he points I think he points at at the 2 story house west side and through to the Celis home across that street. I do not think he has a very good view of the west side of the house where the neighbor heard dogs and male voices at 6:30. I do think they have a very good view of the Scarlett Street side of the house. No red disabled car could be parked on the west side of the house where the neighbor said Isabele’s bedroom is. The red car is definetly on the east side along Scarlett St. Am I confussed? I would think Moores video would however show activity in front of the Celis resident as well as clear view of the east side of the home, Scarlett St.
Nope, you saw what I saw.
B
Heard the noon press conference and after hearing the LE spokesman say, IIRC, that the BAU/FBI hasn’t and doesn’t wish to talk to the family,,,,,,,,, ALL QUESTIONS ANSWERED FOR ME.
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/
Blink,
was holding out to see if you would make a statement about that, LOL.
I must register over at SM!
I DID make it here- no?
Are you scrolling to older comments? If I post it on my sister monkey, it is posted here.
Ok. You got me, I missed my last one.
I posted a link ( thanks MuffyBee!) earlier to Isa’s profile on NCMEC, as it was referenced in the press conf to say “non-family abduction”.
I just hit refresh and it has been changed to “missing and endangered”.
When this much time has gone by, and there are witnesses and surveillance-
Nobody will say WHO put Isa to bed except “the family”.
LE makes NCMEC change the case classification from non-family abduction to missing and endangered and will not discuss being able to rule out the family.
Isa was not wearing pj’s, she was reportedly wearing what she was last seen in at the baseball game.
The family says we don’t want to be on camera to take away focus, and LE says them being on camera is helpful to generate leads.
Father was at ballpark later than the rest of the family to clean up and Isa was with him.
I could go on- none of any of this is logical.
There is no logical behavior patterns in any of the information we have been given if this family truly believes Isa was abducted by a stranger from the home.
It is one thing to be unsure of a piece of information here or there, but in reality, the only FACT we have is a 911 call, it’s timestamp, and parents that have said we want you not to focus on us, but our daughter but we refuse to answer any questions to help with that effort.
As an example- when Mr. Celis told the person or persons responsible for taking Isa to tell them their demands, how was he expecting that call to come in exactly? From a home they will not return to?
Does that make any sense to anyone? Does he KNOW that the “kidnapper” has their cell phones, etc?
The Patz family refused to move for 33 years so far in the even Etan was alive and could return to his home.
If BAU thought that this was an abduction for ransom, they would have coached the Celis’s very precisely as to their statement/appearance, period.
I cannot think of a single case where the BAU/FBI did not WISH to meet with the parents of a missing child.
Conversely, I can think of many where the parent/caregiver/person hiding something refused or refused through an attorney.
If Jose Baez shows up in Tucson so help me Jesus.
Does the couple strike me as parents that would intentionally harm their child? No, they are low risk for that for everything we know so far.
So, why are their actions in contradiction to their own stated theory, that of LE, and unwilling to do anything to change it to find Isa?
B
I will try and find a link but I thought I heard earlier that Isabele’s uncle knocked on a neighbor’s door around 8AM yet 911 was not called untill 8:15. Did anyone else hear this? I think it was on CNN. I am sure LE has video of all cars comming and going. They would know who came and went by car. I would like to know when the uncle’s car arrived or if he was at the home all night.
I would also like to know if any cars were in the garage and if any of the cars left from the garage between 11PM and 8:15AM
One last thing, Blink you said you were not feeling Becky in a cover-up but it so bothered me when she said “We would like to make a play..plead. Just saying.
I am not sure of what comment you are referring to Ode, but my feeling is that I do not believe that Becky would harm her daughter intentionally.
I am uber cautious when analyzing behavior at the sole pressconf in a case. I would not be shocked to know that she has been misled by some means in a cover up.
I don’t know what happened, but these are not people that believe their only 6 year old daughter was removed by a stranger through a fenced in window in the middle of the night.
As rare as it is, and I underscore it is RARE, that brand of horror is not something anyone can make look like something else.
B
Father was at ballpark later than the rest of the family to clean up and Isa was with him.
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Blink I had not seen this before. Soooo important in my opinion. Did something happen to Isa at the park. Could she have perished and been brought home and put in the disabled red car unitl something could be done with her? Why would LE take things from a disabled car???? Was she there until Becky left for work? Dad could not say she was in PJs because Mom would know what PJ’s were missing. Moms know these things. The only clothes that she could be in were what she had on at the ballpark. Should we be yelling wake up Becky?
Quoting Blink-
If Jose Baez shows up in Tucson so help me Jesus….LMAO…I think we will all know where to shift focus. (I hope you understand what I am laughing at here…obviously not the situation) Additionally, once a person is found and convicted I have a mother in law who is the ADW at Super Max aka death row in AZ. They will regret their actions.
Does the couple strike me as parents that would intentionally harm their child? No, they are low risk for that for everything we know so far.
I have a difficult time believing they are directly involved.
So, why are their actions in contradiction to their own stated theory, that of LE, and unwilling to do anything to change it to find Isa?
I think LE and the family all know what is going on and why. I believe what they know is key obviously. Furthermore LE not releasing the simplest of details due to the cat and mouse game. Waiting to see if anyone cracks or slips up details that have mot been disclosed or contradicts what has been said to LE. Yes the pleading for their daughter conference was staged. I just cannot get out of my mind the fact they had yet to come forward then all of a sudden NG dissects them for not doing so and bam next day look what we have. Identical to the discussion is the conference.
The question lingering, again, why do police believe she was not taken out of state? What evidence indicates this? Who did not have enough time to do so? NM is approx 3 hrs, Mexico- Nogales 1 hr away, Cali, Nev. too far for thought.
*If they are looking for a body, Tucson is highly doubtful to be the place to find. Here’s why- If one were to look at a map coming from Florence and the many times I drover 79 to Tucson you would be staring at 2 huge mountains at the base and on the side of the mountains are residential homes. Along the way is Cactus Forrest, a few homes off the road, and many off road trails. All desert, likelihood of someone dumping a body in the city when within minutes you have rural desert is about as likely as a random abduction…possible, knowing the area the odds are against this for my outlook. Elaborating on the washes…it is just dry desert. You will see a sign saying Gila River…nothing but dirt and a few rocks. Open as you drive on the overpass.
If you work in a hospital or nursing home, the shift usually starts at 7.00 am, but if you work as a nurse in a clinic, they usually get or at least open at 8.00 or 9.00. I think she worked at clinic.
If the father had anything to do with it, they would wait until Mom had driven away around 630 or so, but the neighbor was sure the dogs barked at 6.28. Naturally he would wait until 8.00 to make sure Mom was already working and the car that took the child away was a long way from the house.
I would like to know if the child really did not go to school on thursday or friday. Was it closed? Some say she was not at school. Was she sick? even though she was at the game?
If the parents knew she was dead or was an accident, they would not put her in a dump or a sewer. They would be devesstated but would have a proper place how can I say a real grave and say their good bys.
Still not blaming them, but they seem religion and decent would down put her in a landfill, so I would rule that out.
Also, if their bedrooms are down the hall, they could have been sound asleep and not here the dogs. Poor dogs, the neighbor said they stay outside.
It just seems to me, a ped. acts along and certainly not when the sun is already up like in Arizona.
Ode, dont think they would put her in a car because the dog found evidence imo of death in the home not cars.
#44. The father was at the ball park later then the rest of the family with Isa. Where was the rest of the family? Had they gone straight home? Is it possible someone was in wait for the Father to arrive at the home? Maybe Isa’s presence with him wasn’t planned and maybe that’s when the Father was threatened by someone who would take Isa and followed through on the threat in the early a.m. as the neighbor heard male voices??? Just trying to put something together out of bits and pieces, MOO
I wondered how family was getting by with letting dogs out loose.
Now I know, they were not.
See quote from Scared Monkeys::
Oh well it would not post but it said the father was at court on leash law and dogs without tags, and running loose.
could it just be the night of the disappeance so the other members may not hear the dogs barking as well if they were outside?
Who, if involved, as a parent would allow for their two sons to speak with media alone?
Of course in the world of criminals they are infamous for not thinkin their actions through.