Isabel Celis Breaking News: Child Services Removes Sons From Sergio Celis Care and Placed With Mother
In the latest development in the April 21st disappearance of missing Tucson child Isabel Celis, her father Sergio has been stripped of his physical custodial rights of her brothers.
There has been no confirmation from Tucson Police about the children’s removal and placement, and CPS has only confirmed the boys have been placed with one parent.
Sources inside the investigation have confirmed to www.blinkoncrime.com that evidence gleaned in the investigation has warranted alternative placement of the couples oldest children in the wake of the disappearance of their daughter, Isabel.
The boys, whose names have been reported previously elsewhere but are being intentionally withheld by www.blinkoncrime.com have been placed together, not separately.
Check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for details.
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Jumped over here to see what your take on the quick placement was and *******BAM********there’s the update! Thank you so much! So, do you think Pa is distraught and threatening to harm himself (doubt it)or do you think things are starting to point to him in the investigation. I know it’s far fetched…but if Sergio was involved in drugs (w/or without Mom’s knowledge)and he shorted them, didn’t pay up or whatever then taking their one and only daughter would be a very harsh lesson for him to learn by and he would have to cover that up rather than be a snitch! I gotta quit watching so much Inv. Discovery! LOL! Good night and thank you for always being on the ball! Your a gem!
Well the shit hit the fan tonight!
Very sad for the children.
“You’re wrong”, my eye.
Honestly I think Sergio is a kookie dook and I have thought that from day one. Perhaps he was molesting Isabel?
Perhaps he removed her during the night. Perhaps once they got the right survillence tape they saw his car leaving. Perhaps that is why no dogs barked. Perhaps Becky had no idea what was going on right in her own home.
I always thought is strange that no Tim Miller or Mark Klass and all searches stopped once the FBI profilers arrived.
This enemy was within…
To clarify, “You’re wrong” are the words of the actor man.
This is beginning to appear that Sergio may be in big trouble with LE.
Did he know all the time the child was taken by someone to whom he owed money? The child would be kept until he came up with the amount he owed?
Drug people do not care about human life. They will do whatever they think is necessary to collect a debt.
B- I haven’t had time to read all of the comments under your last piece. I apologize if you have already addressed this.
Was this their biological uncle? Mom’s side or dad’s side?
To be stripped of one’s parental rights . . . I cannot even type what would warrant this decision from the courts.
Wow, this is so puzzling. Maybe Dad was found to have drugs in his possession in the home, so the kids could not be with him for now. It’s also possible that there is knowledge that a drug cartel is after him and he or LE know it, so kids must be elsewhere due to the risk of attack or threat to him.
A guy in our neighborhood was busted for drug suspicion twice, but LE found no drugs in his home-just cash that he said he had receipts for. He denied all involvement in drugs-until someone from his drug run bunch (from Arizona, BTW) came and threatened his family. At that point, he turned himself over to the police, helped them get some of the criminals and therefore, got to plea bargain down on charges. He owed them money and they took it seriously that he wasn’t paying. I don’t know if it would be good or bad if this was the case with Sergio, but if it is, then at least they may have a list of people to start with, as far as possible suspects.
Sorrow for the children.
I don’t know local laws & regs, but imo this had to be done via a Court hearing with a charge against Sergio
resulting in a Court ordered placement, unless Sergio signed a temporary voluntary placement agreement.
And imo CPS would be the primary if the charge against Sergio was neglect.
If physical or sexual abuse, imo juvenile CA Detectives handle along with social setvices.
So my guess is she went missing under his supervision at the ballfield. Maybe he thought she
went home with Mom and went out for a few. And the rest was staged.
“tell us your demands” makes sense now if it’s drug supplier vengeance.
this has been known awhile–they were evaluating Mom imo.
An Emergency Court Hearing can happen as soon as a short petition is drawn up. & CPS can make an oral report then. So what lawyer represented Sergio? They had to appoint one. Does Az require a GAL btw in neglect cases?
(just pulled into a hotel after 2 planes & a 2 hr drive and this is a shocker. Guess Blink was hinting.
I don’t think it’s a drugdealer vengeance thing or their sons wouldn’t be placed with Mom as she couldn’t secure them. They would be in a foster home with names & addresses unknown to parents & visiting in a supervised setting.
A possible chargeable neglect scenario is Becky goes off to work thinking Sergio is at home supervising the kids but he’s gone off somewhere without her knowledge, knowing she was leaving for work. That is, he left the 14 yo in charge & told no one he was gone. Therefore Isabel was unsupervised & a temptation to take with no parents home. Becky gets off because she thought Sergio was in charge while she worked. Bet it’s not the first time they were left alone if this theory holds water.
Wouldn’t there have to be some sort of ongoing threat to the boys to remove them to only one parent? Wouldn’t there have to be an agreement that the parent who maintains physical custody would have to make with CPS?
B
oops I was wrong–hadnt read everything!! Per
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/tucson-police-isabel-celis-older-brothers-now-staying-with-one/article_8530d4ec-9bc3-11e1-b0ae-001a4bcf887a.html
they are not in cps custody. no Court hearing. This was all voluntary by both Celis parents.
there’s not even a voluntary temporary cps custody agreement. imo this is unusual.
It also means imo Detectives didn’t have enough evidence to go to Court for cps custody.
imo at an Initial or Emergency Hearing that bar is very low. So their evidence of neglect or abuse
is weak & they are applying pressure on the family
Blink- you continue to blow my mind- GREAT WORK!
I think this arrangement is most likely a simple “left alone” neglect
case they can’t prove or it would’ve flowed thru Court. And the left
alone enabled abduction.
And that was what the failed polys were about.
I wonder if he has a second job somewhere & they didn’t want to
confess to habitual left alone. I bet the key to this voluntary deal
allowing kids to remain with a parent
is not Becky but a reliable relative.
I new something stunk with that dad.
Blink, the fact that LE did a press release and presser on this to publicly announce these developments is something I’ve been pondering since you broke the news that Sergio lost physical custody and has a no-contact.
LE did not specify to the community which parent . . . as I think they would, for example, if LE thought one of the parents was a danger to other children in the community.
Your thoughts, Blink?
It appears voluntary. Translation: You can do this voluntarily or we will do it for you.
B
I wonder what they could have found out about that would show that the boys were not safe with one parent but were safe with the other? If it was drugs or child porn wouldn’t they have arrested Sergio? The audio release this week was scanner talk not the 911 call. It seems to me it was probably one of the 2 boys that called 911. Did video show Sergio returning home without Isabel from the ballpark? Neglect? Did Becky finally admit that she did not see Isabel after the ballgame? I am also still wondering why someone would have pillows in the trunk of a disabled car.
imo cps can’t do this on a voluntary basis unless the losing parent agrees.
He must have agreed. But
I bet he signed no voluntary custody agreement
( and only a fool of an agency would
do this voluntarily if
there was an ongoing threat.
Imo both the parents were jawboned.
This is part of split & divide, even if justified.
If there was a real issue past or present,
would’ve put them with the relative (probably her Dad).
Voluntary anything is risky for the agency’s goals if protection.
They can’t do it to him involuntarily without a Court order & attorney repr
To add, the no-contact would apply to no-contact with the custodial parent as well, would it not?
Sergio would not be allowed to contact Rebecca or any 3-party, nor personally attend any place the boys would, such as baseball games, which is a form of contact. Do I have that right?
It appears that the father is being singled out and my theory is that something happened during the night with him and his daughter and he covered it up so the mother didn’t know anything before leaving for work. I don’t think there is any drug dealer killing here. Don’t think it’s a sex perv either – unless you count the father as one.
I don’t know a whole lot about CPS and how the system works, but I’m wondering if they decided to remove the boys from dad’s care in order to turn up the heat – because he failed the polygraph and they suspect he’s withholding information. Would the fact that Isabel went missing while in his care and inconsistencies in his statements be enough to place the boys with mom, or would they have to have something more incriminating? I’m still hoping that dad isn’t directly involved with her disappearance but that he simply knows more than he’s saying, and that removing the boys is a tactic to show him that he will lose his kids forever if he doesn’t come clean with LE. Maybe they found something questionable on his computer. Idk, just throwing out ideas.
This is out there but could one of the parents known Isabel was in danger and they hid her in the trunk of the red disabled car which is why there would have been pillows in the trunk? Blink do you know what was taken from the trunk of that disabled car.
I wonder where Becky was when this happened & why wasn’t she able to come to her daughter’s aid:
snip)
” Several parents tell 9OYS they remember seeing Isabel running around, playing, having a good time. One parent recalls Isabel eating some potato chips, choking momentarily on a chip, before a little league mom gave her some water and patted her on the back. The fun continued around the dugout that night. Hours later though, she’d be missing.”
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149341755.html
Not that this info is earth-shatering: but, I was reading the AZ CPS web site and there is a category for “when a child needs protection.”Seems to fit the bill for this situation. Basically, it says that after CPS invvestigates, if they see a need for protection of children because of risk in the home, they remove children on an emergency basis. They work with law enforcement, etc.to find safe placement of these children, trying first to place them with a reliable relative (in this case Rebeccas Celis and the other unidentified “relative”). I think this recent development is very significant in that it is clear that based on law enforcement going to CPS and then CPS taking action, that the non-custodial parent is suspect in some way. Of course, there could be many scenarios and imo, there are some plausible suggestions in these comments…….
Just when I think it may sound like this father is involved in the disappearance of his daughter, I am left with another dilema: Both parents have conspired about SOMETHING in this case. They have appeared together on TV and declared themselves to be united. What role could the mother be playing? Has she been pressured/threatened by Sergio Celis?
TucsonPD, FBI, and the US Marshalls have kept everything so close to the vest.
Why TPD have PUBLICLY released THIS information brings up different scenarios, including the divide that Rose mentioned – - – not only of the parents but of father from the sons.
2 accounts from a coach and field manager on game night:
(“he” being Joe Vega)
“Isabel was playing by our dugout,” he said, “Our game was over. We left the park close to 10 o’clock, everybody left about the same time. Isabel had a game the following morning so I know they probably went and put her right to bed.”
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149308345.html
“Another coach, George Hanna, told HLN’s Natisha Lance, “I trust Sergio and his wife with my children and I always will.” Hanna said Isabel and her family were at the ballpark watching a game last Friday night and Sergio stayed afterward to help clean up, which may be why Isabel went to sleep so late.”
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/04/25/little-league-team-holds-vigil-missing-girl
There’s that 10 o’clock . . . 22:00 hours.
Did the caller to 911 last see Isabel at 10pm and that she was wearing a pink top according to the first police dispatch voice? Dispatch then updates the info to a navy blue top with Old Navy writing. The police chief states later 11pm (if the last-seen time WAS changed/updated on the dispatch tapes, JVM did not play it).
Would it be suffice to say that the police would have zeroed in on any affairs that may have went on, and that this is the action from a scorned lover? Is this why Mr. Celis is more frightened and Mrs Celis more resigned and now has the children with her separately from the father?
Good morning.
Over the past 3 years, I have been peripherally involved in 2 CPS cases. One involved my goddaughter and her brother(one of the children removed), the other involved 3 little girls.
Case 1-
Mom’s husband brought drugs into the house, which the police found when they came to the house to pick him up for him for violating parole. Mom didn’t know the drugs were there, but both parents were arrested, mom was OR’d, then spent a year and a half, first in a treatment program (though she tested clean), then completing many parenting classes. She has a mentor, and she is doing well. The husband got out of prison recently, received services (classes), and was reunited with his family. They are living together in an upscale suburb in northern cal, kids are in school, mom & dad are drug free, mom is working, dad is caring for the kids. (He has no history of child or sexual abuse.)
Case 2-
Not such a happy ending. 3 girls taken from grandma, who was watching them while mom was seeking psych treatment, after dad left, citing abuse (he was afraid to take the kids). 1 is still in foster care, 3 years later, 2 were given to dad the weekend after they were taken into custody (though there were allegations, incl. from the kids, that dad “watched porno” in front of the kids, and there was sexualized behavior). dad had them for a year and a half, mom went and got them a year ago, they were barely verbal, both in diapers at 3 1/2 and 4 1/2, and they were unkempt. Mom had them for a year, when CPS took them (recently). Now all 3 are in foster care.
CPS is often called in by LE when minors are in a home where a crime has occurred. Most often, the kids are removed swiftly, while the investigation ensues. After that, they may return them to one or both parents. It usually takes a while.
The tricky thing with CPS is that they only have to “think” that something might happen, in order to remove the kids. The warrants for removing children are often vague, stating their probable cause as “I testify, under penalty of perjury, that it is my belief the children are in imminent sexual, physical, or emotional danger”. There is a very low burden of proof for CPS to remove children, if they think that there is a dangerous situation. Once children are in the custody of CPS, it is a lengthy ordeal to get them back. In case 1 (above), mom immediately said, “I will do whatever it takes to get my kids back.” to the CPS worker, who then asked if she would do a program. Mom completed her program, classes, has a mentor, tested clean, and did everything the dept requested of her, and (with the most compliant parent) it was still nearly 2 years before she had the children back in her custody. She will be under dept supervision for a year, before the case will be closed. In case 2, I do not expect that the eldest child will be returned. It remains to be seen about the two younger girls…depends on whether mom is willing/able to do what is required.
There could be any number of reasons that the children were removed. If they asked them to drug test, and one parent tested dirty, then they might allow the other parent to keep custody of the children, while the parent who tested dirty received treatment. It may be alleged that the father failed to protect. It seems that if they remain with mom, that whatever the police believe/allege, did not happen in her presence, and/or she did not/should not know of any danger that might have been prevented. The thing is that CPS is not helv to the same burden of proof or probable cause as is required in a criminal case.
Blink, it doesn’t sound like this was something the parents just decided to do, but that it was a CPS mandated move. Is that what you understand?
My UNCONFIRMED understanding is that the parents agreed voluntarily pending a motion by CPS.
B
@Rose, it is very easy for CPS to get a warrant to remove children, if they believe they are in danger. If children are left in a home (after CPS has investigated), it isn’t because it’s difficult for them to be removed, it’s either because a social worker has been remiss, or they have concluded that there is no danger to the children. The courts move swiftly to remove the children, after which, the parent(s) are given counsel (if they don’t already have a private atty).
Blink, nm, I just saw your comments to wpg.
So….wonder what this means as far as who can currently live where? Haven’t read anything that the family has returned to the home to live, or not. I would assume Mr. Celis would need to move out, if mom & boys are back now or want/plan to come back. If mom & boys are living with “the relative” in the custody placement right now, dad could probably stay at the family home?….If this is a divide and conquer strategy, hope it works quickly for resolution to this little girl’s going poof.
@pueblodweller
“I am left with another dilema: Both parents have conspired about SOMETHING in this case.”
Me too… still not sure what the heck is up with RC behavior, too defensive, too much in support of not talking but raising funds and putting on a face. She doesn’t strike me as a controlled woman, but one who is very much in control. I’m wondering … others have said that at the end of Sergio’s performance she was mouthing something like “Bow, take a bow”. They both seem deceptive to me but then again one’s deception could be because they know the other could have done something?
BTW… I just read again that yesterday no one was manning the volunteer command center – what is up with all this? And, an editorial with Isabel’s case “Scams are a tragedy within a tragedy”
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/category/179377/video-center?clipId=7176929&autostart=true
The removal of the children could be secondary to several different scenarios that would continue to possibly endanger the boys. Maybe it WAS Isa’s brother on the 911 call, not the Dad. Perhaps the father told LE “everything” that was going on in his life at the time Isa went missing, and LE decided that the boys were still at risk of being harmed as long as they are in proximity to the father. Could this have been a retaliation kidnapping, just as Sergio implied during that first presser? All we can do is guess at this point. And, where exactly was the mom when all this was going on, and why is she the “safe” parent? As far as I can tell it has been Blink’s sources that have said the boys are with Rebecca, correct? I have not seen this particular detail in the mainstream news, but we just drove from Manhattan to New Brunswick, so maybe I’ve missed something.
Could there be another reason that LE is isolating Sergio?
Rose says:
May 12, 2012 at 9:10 am
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I agree with you, Rose. This whole “arrangement” sounds fishy to me. If CPS truly believes these kids are in danger, why would they allow this “separation” to be voluntary? Or is there a RO in place?
Something is definitely up, just have no idea what it is.
“Wouldn’t there have to be some sort of ongoing threat to the boys to remove them to only one parent? Wouldn’t there have to be an agreement that the parent who maintains physical custody would have to make with CPS?
B”
Agreement such as the parent with physical custody is with the boys continuously and is not to return to work for the time being, and another approved adult is to be present along with the parent?
Also, if indeed this “separation” of Sergio from his boys is voluntary and not court ordered, it would appear that LE and CPS *trust* him to some degree to stay away from the children for now.
I am betting there is a whole lot more to this story than meets the eye.
Agreed, but I do not think the word trust is applying to the relationship between LE and Sergio Celis at the moment.
B
To add to the agreement possibilities . . . not allowed to leave the state, not allowed to have direct or indirect contact with the other parent.
Am I’m a little nutty for thinking this whole thing might be a hoax, done for media money?
It’s just not making sense to me. The parents are way too talkative about money.
But then, the cadaverine odor detected by the FBI dogs would need to be a false positive.
Poor Isa.
Not necessarily on the false positive. It is not known WHERE on the property it was located.
For me- one line rings in my head over and over.
“We understand it is available to us for anything”
Sergio Celis said that wrt to the donor account as a caveat to the response it was for flyers, etc.
They were in a hotel paid for by The Today Show for this interview- they did not reveal that, and that statement is beyond “knowledgable” for me.
Let me say this- I brought up the 4 letter word starting with an H. I have not yet excluded it as a possibility as much as I would love to, and that is based entirely on developments to date.
This is a high profile case. They are not removing kids willy nilly. There has to be evidence of a perceived threat to their safety- period. It has to be credible, and they have already stated LE is participating in the CPS investigation. What does that mean? It means that LE contributed to the findings that would have them volunteer to a custodial arrangement vs. being granted one that would likely not include either parent.
This is a LE driven initiative. I am not even coming up with a comparable case at the moment.
Lastly
B
I wonder what they found on daddy’s computer. Off the cuff….but was a computer taken by LE?
@wpg. do you have a url for a “no contact” order?
. To have that in place it has to go thru a Judge in an Emergency Hearing.
CPS didn’t “place” these kids with anyone because if media is accurate, CPS has no custody. It is voluntary.
And no Agency in their right mind would do this voluntarily because the children are not really protected–
if they had the evidence to jump a very low bar in an Emergency Hearing which can be had the same day — supposing of course the responsible Gov’t attorneys’ Office agrees there’s enough to sustain a petition.
what’s coming next is the funds raised will be publicized to be allocated to Becky & boys only, not “the parents,” so he can’t use for an attorney. In fact, the fundraising success & family’s growing capability to pay legal advice might in part be forcing the current family posture. if I were being cynical, I’d say “Who’s playing the Landscaper role?”
Blink, imo even long ago (my day) it was illegal & unethical to say “Agree to a voluntary placement or we’ll go to Court.” We were strictly trained & well supervised not to say that. Maybe it happened up to the mid-70s, but imo not after a Federal child welfare act passed sometime in the 70s requiring States to do this & that with standards. I hope in the dereg 2000s, professional expectations did not change. If you have evidence, you go to Court. You don’t threaten families.
Agreed, but I feel strongly this is a LE driven initiative. No, I do not expect the verbiage to be threatening, but definitely implied.
I this scenario the discussion of threats was related to the potential to the Celis boys.
B
http://m.facebook.com/FindIsabelCelis?v=feed
FindIsabelCelis has gone quiet for the last 24 hours,unfortunately.
@cheryl
“I’m wondering … others have said that at the end of Sergio’s performance she was mouthing something like “Bow, take a bow”. ”
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I saw her mouth something but assumed it was a prayer, since that particular song is often sang as a prayer, and if I remember correctly, they both said “Amen” afterward.
http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/otherpubs/majorfedlegis.cfm
1974 pioneer legislation. within a few yrs, Fed & State regs were passed–carrot
being Fed money. cps can’t jawbone just anything. imo this came more from the detectives.
Rose says:
@wpg. do you have a url for a “no contact” order?
Rose,
I didn’t use the word “order”, and thought I read the no-contact in Blink’s piece, but reading again proves me wrong.
headline to KGUN article (video also at link):
“Police: Celis parents living separately; 1 parent not allowed contact”
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151198035.html
KVOA article snip:
“Tucson Police tell News 4 the parents are living separately because of this and one of the parents is not allowed any kind of contact.”
http://www.kvoa.com/news/cps-involved-in-celis-case/
Having a senior moment–what is the four letter word starting with an H that Blink mentioned/alluded to? Ugh! Sorry!!!
No my bad, I think I confused Word Girl with WPG- I do that often, sorry to both.
It is H O A X.
B
What about the male voices heard outside of Isa’s room from the neighbor? That is where I keep coming back to. I don’t live in the city but I still can’t think of any reason that men would be talking outside of bedroom windows between houses that is not on a sidewalk type of situation and then have a child show up missing a few hours later. Weird and something that should be looked at seriously. Also, is it convenient that the security system (cameras) is not working at the home. I believe I read they had one that was not working. Please correct me if I am wrong.