Isabel Celis Breaking News: Child Services Removes Sons From Sergio Celis Care and Placed With Mother
In the latest development in the April 21st disappearance of missing Tucson child Isabel Celis, her father Sergio has been stripped of his physical custodial rights of her brothers.
There has been no confirmation from Tucson Police about the children’s removal and placement, and CPS has only confirmed the boys have been placed with one parent.
Sources inside the investigation have confirmed to www.blinkoncrime.com that evidence gleaned in the investigation has warranted alternative placement of the couples oldest children in the wake of the disappearance of their daughter, Isabel.
The boys, whose names have been reported previously elsewhere but are being intentionally withheld by www.blinkoncrime.com have been placed together, not separately.
Check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for details.
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I need to clarify an earlier thought- I wrote I highly doubt that the Dec CPS call came from the school – what I meant was it would not have been made anonymously. Thanks for letting me clear that up.
I have gone back to review all posts on this thread as well as all of Blinks articles on Isa.
I have the same concerns as others here- but Ill wait a while longer before voicing them…
According to statements given, Isa and her family spent the evening of 4-20 at the baseball game of her brother. At the baseball game it was reported Isa seemed to be by herself at least for a time…- is this correct? A witness remembers having to help Isa because she began choking on a chip.. According to reports, they left the ball game at app 10:30pm …Is this correct?(If anyone can clear up this timeline please do)
Going under the assumption that this is an abduction, and possibly a stranger abduction, has anyone looked into the chance that a predator was scoping out the bbgame?
The reason I bring this up- is in the past there have been abductions from games- Just last year on April 14th 2011 a man tried to take a 5 year old girl from a little league park in Wyoming.
Snipped-
an unknown white male suspect wearing a red cap tired to lure the child into a small gray sedan, but the girl ran off and told a family member
http://www.wboc.com/story/14475658/attempted-abduction
And if we all recall, little 6 year old Morgan Nick disappeared from a little league game in 1995 at the facebook page attached to the article below, you will find a composite of the unknown man suspected of kidnapping her- according to the reports LE was looking for a red truck with white camper.
http://digitaljournal.com/article/293168
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Is there a chance that little Isa was followed back to her home and taken by someone that had been at the game? IDK but even if this turns out to be a family abduction or murder – still it cant hurt to post these cases and the descriptions of the perps in the hopes that someone here on BOC could help Morgan and her family, or help to get the attempted Wyoming kidnapper off the streets.
Thanks for reading, and as the family of Morgan says “Love always Hopes”
Peace AJMO
On the speculation boat, imo there is no reason cps would visit a home without talking to both parents unless it was a school attendance issue that got cured once mother was talked to. It seems to me otherwise contact was required with him. Also, press has spoken to no schoolmates’ teachers/families of these kids have they?
Also, Is Sergio’s father deceased & his stroke-ridden mother living alone up the street? Remember caregiving was why they moved nearby. Is it possible one of Sergio’s family regularly spent the night with her (even the 14 year old)? Maybe a son was doing caregiving shifts that were inappropriate (night) or conflicted with school?
Blink, in the precious article you wrote:
“Mastromarino lived with the Celis family for some time in 2011. The image below was taken in front of the Celis home in June 2011.”
I’ve seen his fb profile pic where he is sitting on a snow covered hill and then the newer one where his jeep is sitting on snow-covered ground with snow on its roof – – – which is a contrast in time to the June/summer photo you showed.
Could of course be nothing and very well I’m over-thinking, but am wondering if the snow-Jeep pic come to be after your posting of the May 3 article with June-Jeep photo . . . as in “I wasn’t in Arizona in December 2011″?
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Snow in AZ is only 3-4 hrs from Tucson. Flagstaff is a huge ski resort. No one would read too much into the snow IMO.
Lukasiewicz said she wanted to clarify two points. The first was that Sergio had never been contacted by Child Protective Services prior to last Thursday.
Lukasiewicz also clarified Sergio went to court three weeks ago to get an extension on dog tags- not animal abuse. She did not take any questions from the media.
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Very interesting the CPS statement. So this is SC’s family stating there had been no prior involvement with SC. I can see this as a real scenario. Possibly CPS had been called on BC.
There are instances where CPS does not see a case when called and not every member of the family is interviewed.
Isa is just not coming home as quickly as I had hoped”…..like she’s away at summer camp or something. Doesn’t Becky have any idea what her little girl might be enduring at this very moment? I agree with you, wpg; I’d be crying my eyes out and begging that the kidnapper release her, not hurt her, have mercy on her, remember that she’s just a baby, that she needs her mama, anything! Ay yi yi….don’t know what to think here.
Can anyone sort of confirm this? Anyone living in the Arizona area that hears rumors?
Chilling comment may have been written in the closet by Isabel “My dad Is bad bad bad”
http://t.co/ptn1xv2d
Found this on twitter. I don’t like lending credence to rumors like this but it is a possibility.
@mom3.0,
To answer your question about ESL. This was my field of expertise. The parent fills out a survey asking whether a language other than English is spoken in the home. If the answer to the question is yes, even if Isa speaks mostly English, the child is given an English proficiency test. They can score from fluent to non English speaking. Isa probably scored somewhere in the middle which is why she was placed in ESL classes. It has nothing to do with intelligence level, it is stricly about language acquisition. They can exit out of ESL classes after meeting certain academic criteria. HOpe this answers your question.
Lukasiewicz said she wanted to clarify two points. The first was that Sergio had never been contacted by Child Protective Services prior to last Thursday.
Lukasiewicz also clarified Sergio went to court three weeks ago to get an extension on dog tags- not animal abuse. She did not take any questions from the media.
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Very interesting the CPS statement. So this is SC’s family stating there had been no prior involvement with SC. I can see this as a real scenario. Possibly CPS had been called on BC.
There are instances where CPS does not see a case when called and not every member of the family is interviewed.
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Maybe it’s a case where it is only one parent. But, I wouldn’t put much stock in the sister’s knoweldge of CPS–I mean, it’s not something I would share at the family Christmas party, so it would not surpise me if Sergio did not mention a CPS visit to his sister.
Did you notice that Becky did not take time to address/deny the CPS report from December in her TV interviews at the candlelight vigil last night?
The CPS visit last December is significant to the behavior/back story to this family in some way, IMO.
yep.
B
Kris says:
May 19, 2012 at 6:36 pm
“Isa is just not coming home as quickly as I had hoped”…..like she’s away at summer camp or something. Doesn’t Becky have any idea what her little girl might be enduring at this very moment? I agree with you, wpg; I’d be crying my eyes out and begging that the kidnapper release her, not hurt her, have mercy on her, remember that she’s just a baby, that she needs her mama, anything! Ay yi yi….don’t know what to think here.
Oops, I meant nana2, not wpg.
Katy,
Thanks for the snow info. Boy, I was seriously stretching with that one.
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Rose,
I haven’t heard a word from or anything about SC’s father, now that you mention it.
Media filmed SC pushing his mother in her wheelchair on the way into his performance night venue . . . that’s about it.
I would like to hear from the aunt that was/is very close with Isabel.
SC, “We will never stop looking for you.”—has he started looking? have the parents taken a poly and passed? Why aren’t they screaming that from the rooftops? Why aren’t they on Nancy Grace, and JVM every night? Why aren’t they doing what Mark Klaas did when Polly was taken?
I do not understand why so many of you think this child was kidnapped. I don’t understand why you continue to give these parents the benefit of the doubt. I mean no disrespect to any of you or I wouldn’t come here. I just feel like I’m missing something when I read these posts discussing drug debts, kidnappers and Isa in Mexico. Obviously, the police know more than us and they’re sticking to that 3 mile radius of the family home. I think Blink is right when she says that this is like an FBI case…textbook. Again, no disrespct to any of you. Thank you for the thoughtful comments to my prior posts. Let’s hope I’m wrong.
Monkeybunny, I think their are an equal amount of folks that do not believe some of the “theories” being batted around. I appreciate you stating your dissenting opinion so respectfully.
B
“yep.”
B
A gambit of emotions here.
The CPS visit last December is significant to the behavior/back story to this family in some way, IMO
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I agree to some extent. I also know what its like to have an exhusband who never sees his children try to get at me by calling CPS. Of course there was no case. They did not go as far as talking to my husband/ my older two children’s stepdad. Let me say this as well. Before talking to me they went to my childrens school without my knowledge to interview them then the next day came to me thats when I found out. Had there have been an issue the kids would not have been in fear of telling them because I had no knowledge of their being interviewed.
Something to think about. Children do not get interviewed in front of the parents. The question would be IMO- did CPS drop the case like in this instance or did they give the family recommendations. Yes I called all of my family due to me being disgusted in need of moral support. family= mom dad sister brother
A witness remembers having to help Isa because she began choking on a chip..
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Where was the mother at this point?
At the end of the KGUN9 video vigil-coverage previously posted:
Anchor:
Marcelino, did you or anyone try to speak with Sergio Celis tonight?
Reporter:
Guy, I did not get a chance to speak with Sergio, but a producer from Good Morning America did speak to him. Sergio told ABC News off-camera that having to watch from home was, quote, “unspeakable”.
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Interesting choice of word, imo.
ps
the link again
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/152133115.html
Hi Mermaid14,
Thanks for sharing your expertize, most appreciated- and very informative.
JFTR I was speaking IRT whether or not Isa, as a six year old 1st grader, would be able to write proficiently enough to convey a specific message-
My thoughts on ESL was a question solely about whether or not she WAS in ESL – as a way to garner info on whether or not Isa was fluent in both languages- in my experience dual language students excel in language arts-
My posts were not speaking to ESL students intelligence or Isa’s intelligence- merely my experiences thoughts and questions
Regardless, as I stated, we can not know Isas writing ability etc since we do not know Isa- nor can we know that an unconfirmed “message” on her wall has definitely something to do with this case.
Even if Isa wrote “My dad is bad bad bad” does not necessarily mean her father was hurting her or molesting her or that he killed her- it could mean that little Isa was mad at him for doing his normal parenting duties- like sending her to bed- ya know?
Mermaid14, again I want to thank you for sharing your expertize, and I hope I better explained my thoughts.
AJMO
Katy
Your question about the whereabouts of the mother in relation to the choking on a chip brings up the possibility that the mother did not go to the ballgame. Isa may have gone to the game with the boys and mom stayed home. Someone else who was a mother was doing extra duty to take care of a child that needed help.
This was a weekend. Kids today at age six are often allowed to stay up to all hours during a weekend. In my day and with my kids, when they were six no matter what was going on, bedtime on weekends was 9:00 P.M. Bedtime during school nights was 8:00 P.M. Six year olds need from ten to twelve hours of sleep.
Hello pueblodweller
you wrote and Blink responded:
May 19, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Maybe it’s a case where it is only one parent. But, I wouldn’t put much stock in the sister’s knoweldge of CPS–I mean, it’s not something I would share at the family Christmas party, so it would not surpise me if Sergio did not mention a CPS visit to his sister.
Did you notice that Becky did not take time to address/deny the CPS report from December in her TV interviews at the candlelight vigil last night?
The CPS visit last December is significant to the behavior/back story to this family in some way, IMO.
yep.
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Although I agree that your thoughts and Blinks could be spot on I feel I must point out something-
CPS being called to the home is not always a matter of possible child abuse or serious neglect- -nor does it have to be an issue a parent would have to secret away.
It is common now for CPS to get involved when a child is truant from school-
In most districts the truancy law states that a child between the ages of 6 and 16 must attend school regularly- school policy is that all absences must be excused- and the # of acceptable days missed in a year averages out to once a month-
Well if a child is absent more than 5 days in any quarter- a red flag goes up- whether or not the childs parents have called in or not- an “excused absence is one that a doctors note accompaniess-
at 8 days missed the parents either receive a warning letter from the school CPS worker or a letter- if the absences cont- then guess what?
A CPS worker is sent to the home and a formal interview is done- so
Perhaps just such a scenario played out in the Celis situation.
This would account for Sergio not having to be interviewed- and would account for the CPS contact to be on record, as once this happens, no matter how trivial- or easily resolved – and clearly not abuse or neglect it stays on record.
I found this to illustrate- snipped:
The attendance policy adopted pursuant to this subsection shall specify the maximum number of unexcused absences a child may incur before the attorney for the school district, the attendance officer, or the local board of education may initiate judicial proceedings pursuant to section xxxxxxx Calculation of the number of unexcused absences a child has incurred includes all unexcused absences occurring during any calendar year or during any school year.
The general assembly hereby declares that two of the most important factors in ensuring a child’s educational development are parental involvement and parental responsibility. The general assembly further declares that it is the obligation of every parent to ensure that every child under such parent’s care and supervision receives adequate education and training. Therefore, every parent of a child who has attained the age of six years on or before August 1 of each year and is under the age of seventeen years shall ensure that such child attends the public school in which such child is enrolled in compliance with this section.
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—Again pueblodweller, you could be right in your suspicions , sadly you maybe- but I just wanted to share this info to give you and others a differing perspective and to speak up for all those parents out there that have been embarrassed to be confronted by CPS over a simple misunderstanding over their childs absences from school and what constitutes excused absences in the eyes of the law.
Peace AJMO
Hey Rose sorry I missed your post earlier- thanks for saying it-
Rose says:
May 19, 2012 at 5:10 pm
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Monkeybunny- I respect you too and believe it or not I share your concerns- I am just trying to look at every conceivable scenario before centering in on the family or the father- JMO but there are just too many unknowns right now to disregard anythinng.
The way I am looking at this is what good would it do Isa to decide right now that LE need only look no father than her father? What hope would there be?
What if your gut feeling is wrong Monkeybunny? What if this family although not behaving the way we THINK we would- if our child was missing or the way some other parents of abducted children have behaved- what if they are innocent and are facing their worst nightmare in addition to being wrongly accused?
What harm can it do for us – the public to be vigilante and alert for sightings of Isa or be open to entertaining other possible scenarios than Dad did it and they are all covering?
Will our willingness to give the benefit of the doubt curtail LE’s investigation? Will our willingness to give the benefit of the doubt make you any less right if it turns out to be just as you feel in your gut? Will Isa be any less dead? -
But if you are wrong, and we all follow suit immediately, and stop hoping and looking is there a chance we may overlook ISa in a crowd Etc If you are wrong who else suffers? Isas brothers- her mother- her father -her family-
I am not saying your wrong MB- I fear you are right- but this early on- are we all not dealing in mere “theories” Is there enough evidence and info to be certain?
Not yet.
Monkey Bunny you wrote:
I do not understand why so many of you think this child was kidnapped. I don’t understand why you continue to give these parents the benefit of the doubt. I mean no disrespect to any of you or I wouldn’t come here. I just feel like I’m missing something when I read these posts discussing drug debts, kidnappers and Isa in Mexico. Obviously, the police know more than us and they’re sticking to that 3 mile radius of the family home. I think Blink is right when she says that this is like an FBI case…textbook. Again, no disrespct to any of you. Thank you for the thoughtful comments to my prior posts. Let’s hope I’m wrong.
Monkey bunny all we are saying is we dont know- – we are hoping you are wrong- and we are looking at every conceivable angle- thats what we do here- if we didnt whats the point in trying to be advocates and make a difference?
You made this point MB:
Obviously, the police know more than us and they’re sticking to that 3 mile radius of the family home. I think Blink is right when she says that this is like an FBI case…textbook.
–Although your gut may end up being right, and although I may find myself soon on the same side with you- Monkey Bunny- many actual abductions where the child either alive or dead ahve been found have occurred in a 3-5 mile radius-
such as in these sad cases:
Leiby Kletzky
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/13/missing-brooklyn-boy-leibby-kletzky-found-dead_n_896890.html
and
Aliahna Lemmon
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2011/12/27/missing-indiana-girls-body-found-close-family-friend-arrested
and
in these happier cases:
Danielle Cramer
http://missingexploited.com/2007/06/09/danielle-cramer-missing-for-1-year-found-in-home-in-room-under-stairway/
and
Cole Puffinburger
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,440601,00.html
Lets not forget Elizabeth Smart or Jaycee Lee Dugard or Steven Stayner or Briant Rodriguez
Monkey Bunny sometimes new chapters are written in that textbook.
Peace
AJMO
It is my belief that LE said that the reason(s) TPD may have gone to the home were “minor”- not the CPS visit in December, as LE stressed that they would not be talking about the CPS issue.
Interesting about cps and missed school days. However’ in this case there were 911 calls that I believe triggered this visit from CPS.
No verification of the origin of the CPS december inquiry or 911 calls.
B
CPS being called to the home is not always a matter of possible child abuse or serious neglect- -nor does it have to be an issue a parent would have to secret away.
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Mom 3.0-
Good point and you are right. In fact, several years ago am acquaintance of mine was going through a very nasty divorce and her soon-to-be ex-husband called CPS on her many times—just to cause problems with custody disagreements they were having. Finally, the police visited this man and told him he would be arrested the next time he wasted the resources of CPS by having them act on his false claims. This was also in Tucson and CPS did visit this woman every time her husband reported her.
My thinking with the Celis parents was that now that their child has gone missing and CPS has removed SC from the children– that this prior report (December) to CPS has more probability of being not only true, but something serious in nature. I guess I am at the point where I am no longer giving them the benefit of the doubt:-(
Just sharing: Today, on my way to the AF base, I drove by the park where the Celis kids played that last baseball game. There were kids and adults there playing ball. It was so sad to think of this vibrant young girl in this same setting and then the tragic day that followed. At the edge of the park is the wash where police were searching again last week. The image of the search was such a chilling juxtaposition to the fun going on at the other side of the wash. The loss of this child–any child–is heartbreaking.
Mom3.0
Is your snip about the CPS and truancy taken from Arizona law and regulations or is this from something that you know to be true from experience?
A Texas Grandfather says:
May 19, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Katy
Your question about the whereabouts of the mother in relation to the choking on a chip brings up the possibility that the mother did not go to the ballgame. Isa may have gone to the game with the boys and mom stayed home. Someone else who was a mother was doing extra duty to take care of a child that needed help.
This was a weekend. Kids today at age six are often allowed to stay up to all hours during a weekend. In my day and with my kids, when they were six no matter what was going on, bedtime on weekends was 9:00 P.M. Bedtime during school nights was 8:00 P.M. Six year olds need from ten to twelve hours of sleep.——————I completely agree with your comment, but just want to add that I question why there is such a lack of information as to whether Becky was at that game that night. I don’t understand why it hasn’t been clarified. Or does anyone know for sure if she was there or not? As far as the weekend bedtime schedule goes, I agree that a lot of kids don’t have official bedtimes BUT, like you said a child of 6 needs at least 10 hours of sleep so if she had to get up at 8 am why go to bed at 11? Granted that would be 9 hours of sleep but still, the only mention of mom being around that night was to braid her hair. Then the vagueness of how she went to bed. I just am so confused. If Becky was at the game that night, you would think she’d want to get Isabel home and not let her linger picking up the field.
@Pak31 says:
May 20, 2012 at 11:26 am
A Texas Grandfather says:
May 19, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Katy
Your question about the whereabouts of the mother in relation to the choking on a chip brings up the possibility that the mother did not go to the ballgame. Isa may have gone to the game with the boys and mom stayed home. Someone else who was a mother was doing extra duty to take care of a child that needed help.
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I too had questioned why another sports mom came to the aid of Isa that night not BC or SC.. This is why I think when SC made that comment to 911 op “I told her (BC)to get her butt home (pp)” it was a dig towards BC that perhaps she wasn’t always at home or nearby when her family needed her.. Most took his comment to be an attempt at a joke but I’m still of the opinion he was being snarky to BC.. JMO
Is SC under some sort of surveillance to ensure he is not having contact with his boys? This voluntary agreement seems a little “loose” to me considering the gravity of the case. Hopefully the Celis’s have retained counsel. This is one strange case.
I would like to know when JM left as house guest from Isa’s home. Was it in December? He has legal issues. The CPS call may have had something to do more with him and not the parents. I do think that CPS should be alerted by unexcused absences. As we see in Kyron’s case when a child is not at school someone better find out why. I think if Isa had unexcused absences it is important to what may have happened to her. All that aside my true suspicion is that the CPS visit in December will more than likely have very little to do with why SC is now separated from his boys. Do they have full day kindergarten in Tucson? I wonder if there were other caregivers while RC and SC worked?
Someone took the boys home first and IMO it was Becky. She had 3 children to get cleaned and ready for bed….if they all had to take showers they went ahead with Mom. RC had to get up early for work so she may have gone to bed as soon as Isa had her hair done. I really believe she did her hair when listening to the 911 call…you could hear her focas on it as if she was remembering the last time you touched your missing child. SC is the one who asked her if she was hungry as she headed for bed. Watching RC in the Today
Show clip, she keeps her eyes down while SC talks, with an occasional side glance. If SC was a controlling “get your butt home” type guy it would not surprise me to see the wife to continue to support him, she would be thinking about what he thinks she saying in public.
Greetings and Salutations
TGF,
In your earlier response, you made mention of there being 2 more weeks of school left before summer vacation in your home state of Texas-
The same could be said for many states- but not in all districts in those states and certainly not in all schools- such as parochial schools etc.
It also varies depending on the level of schooling- any parent with a child in preschool and another in middle school, and another in high school and still another in college realizes that each childs calender schedule and breaks often times does not match up-
I would venture an educated guess that this varying of policies etc also extends to each state and each district regarding truancy laws and consequences for such infractions.- In other words, it depends on what state, type of school and what district each child attends.
You asked if I was basing my CPS post on Arizona law specifically- –
No, as I wrote, I was speaking in generalities, and only doing so inorder to share a differing perspectiive and perhaps to pervent anyone from jumping to conclusions regarding any CPS visit to the Celis home–
I do not know who or why CPS was called- it may turn out to be as we all fear, or it may turn out to be something far less severe.
Anything is possible when we are dealing with CPS cases.
As pueblo dweller wrote, it could have been initiated by someone who fostered ill will toward the Celis’s, the call could have been unfounded- – or as Rose opined over something such as too much missed schooling-
and in fact itmay have not had anything to do with Isa, at all as she had two older brothers- we just dont know.
Your question, as well as Constances post May 20, 2012 at 1:21 am and Elizabeths post prompted me to do some research-
Ill post my findings in part two
Thanks for your willingness to discuss and for always asking the tough questions guys- I learn so much from all of your thoughts and I hope you learn from mine too.
I am so glad we challenge one another to try and figure out the facts all inorder to become better advocates .
AJMO
Peace
Part 2
TGF you wrote:
Mom3.0
Is your snip about the CPS and truancy taken from Arizona law and regulations or is this from something that you know to be true from experience?
Constance you wrote:
It is my belief that LE said that the reason(s) TPD may have gone to the home were “minor”- not the CPS visit in December, as LE stressed that they would not be talking about the CPS issue.
Elizabeth you wrote and Blink responded:
Interesting about cps and missed school days. However’ in this case there were 911 calls that I believe triggered this visit from CPS.
No verification of the origin of the CPS december inquiry or 911 calls.
B
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Hello, I did some research and found that it turns out Arizona and specifically Tulsa have some of the strictest truancy laws-
In fact Arizona had the nation’s lowest public-school attendance rate -of 82.6 percent for all grades. Arizona was the first state in the United States to implement and enforce very tough truancy laws.
In fact Arizona law states that truancy is defined with as little as a student s unexcused absence from one class period.
Snipped:
Arizona Law requires parents to send children to school. Failure to send your child to school may result in criminal charges.
ARS 15-802 requires that a person having custody of a child between six and sixteen years of age must ensure that the child is in school full time when the school is in session, unless statutorily excused.
ARS 15-803 has been revised to read that “a student is considered ‘habitually truant’ if truant for at least five school days.” Additionally, “truant” is now defined as “an unexcused absence for at least ONE class period during the day.”
Failure to ensure that a child attends school is a criminal offense. The consequences may include
* A fine of up to $500.00 AND
* A possible jail sentence of up to 30 days
TUSD is committed to students’ success by ensuring that they stay in school!
Stay in school–It’s the law!
Parents of truants may also be charged with contributing to the dependency or delinquency of a minor.
ARS 13-3613 requires that parents not commit any acts contributing to a child’s dependency or delinquency. This includes failing to send a child to school.
Contributing to the dependency or delinquency of a minor is a criminal offense. The consequences include
* A fine of up to $2500 AND
* Two possible jail sentences of up to six months
http://www.tusd.k12.az.us/contents/depart/safety/truancy.html
also snipped:
http://public.findlaw.com/education/truancy_laws_enforcement.html
Once a student has one unexcused absence from school, a letter is sent home to the student’s parents explaining the consequences of truancy. After a third unexcused absence, the juvenile is referred to the Center for Juvenile Alternatives (CJA) which makes a recommendation to the juvenile court. A letter is sent to the juvenile’s parents explaining the diversion program or the alternative court imposed sanctions, and the parents decide which course of action they would prefer.
The diversion program consists of counseling, parenting classes, support groups, etc. Very often parents have no idea that their child is missing school, or they do not seem to care. Support groups and classes teach parents about the value of education and also help parents communicate more effectively with their teenagers. In their report, the CJA will identify which type of intervention is best for the family, and the juvenile and his or her parents will be referred accordingly. Both parents and the juvenile must sign an agreement promising to abide by the conditions of the diversion program. Successful completion of the program results in the truancy case being dismissed.
The ACT Now program has been formally evaluated by the American Prosecutors Research Institute (APRI), and each school district involved in the program has shown a steady decrease in the number of truancies each year. This program and versions of it are financially supported by the Department of Justice and have been implemented in many other states.
Getting Tough on Parents
Many states also hold parents accountable for their children’s truancy, and Arizona was the first state to implement such laws. The rationale behind this movement was to coerce parents into taking an active role in their children’s education and for all parties to take truancy laws and school attendance seriously
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So it seems that the State of Arizona takes truancy seriously and may in fact not consider an infraction “minor”
Who knows if truancy was the reason for CPS involvement?
Who knows why 911 calls were made – perhaps LE could comment on the 911 calls as minor because they did not involve the Celis themselves- perhaps they were noise complaints brought on by barking dogs, or perhaps-
IDK
Guys, I am NOT trying to give these people a pass- and if it turns out that CPS was alerted because of legitimate child protection issues I will be outraged and sad- Ill be right there with you all- wanting answers- same for the 911 calls-
But right now as Blink said– there is No verification of the origin of the CPS december inquiry or 911 calls.
So anything is possible
Still hoping for Isa- still struggling to give the benefit of the doubt-
AJMO
Peace
Blink,
The photo of Isabel you selected for this article, makes me so sad.
Yes, it’s my perception, but I can’t match the look in her eyes to the Christmas gift puppy which should bring a child unabashed delight, and haven’t been able match it since first seeing this photo, prior to you posting it here and definitely prior to any news of CPS involvement.
A Texas Grandfather,
In the local media interview, Isabel’s parents said that aunts and uncles would help out with the kids, taking them to and picking them up from school.
From what I can gather, Isabel’s school’s Grade One class hours begin at 7:45am and with dismissal at 2:15pm.
All 3 children would have been on Winter Break, beginning and including Friday December 15, returning on Tuesday January 2.
When asked who Isabel was closest to, like a confident of sorts, “an aunt” was part of the parent’s response.
Whoever this aunt is, is someone I would like to hear from.
I feel like I should apologize for being a board hog-
My children are out and about so I have some extra time.
Katy , Hi I found the mention about the chip on this thread-
but Here is an article that has the info:
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149341755.html
snipped:
Several parents tell 9OYS they remember seeing Isabel running around, playing, having a good time. One parent recalls Isabel eating some potato chips, choking momentarily on a chip, before a little league mom gave her some water and patted her on the back. The fun continued around the dugout that night. Hours later though, she’d be missing.
I can not find any verification that Isa’s mom was there or not- nor can I verify who left when-.
So its hard to say why Isa’s mom wasnt right there to help Isa.
But as a mom myself- I know it only takes a moment for an active child to get away from your sight- Becky could have been there, but Isa could have had permission to sit with friends or simply could have wandered off.IDK
Also I know that Beckys hours of work were 7 to 7 pm IDK what days she workes? Perhaps she was to meet the family at the park and just hadnt arrived yet? IDK
Nana- I too would like to know the story behind each family members exact whereabouts-
I am still wondering if Uncle was in the home that night as it was reported he was there knocking on doors at 8 am otherwise how did he get there so fast and who called him?
I mean according to the 911 call Sergio went to wake up Isa then woke the boys to help- did they sleep in their clothes also?
Because have you ever tried to wake kids and rush them? ANd basing Sergios demeanor on his call- he was not frantic- so how was all the searching initiated?
It all takes time- and then they searched the house and the neighborhood- and mom was called home- what time were these calls made? Whats the timeline?
As to Sergios comment and attitude of “Get her butt home”- you could be exactly right- but just a thought, his resentment over her “not being around” could stem from the fact that she worked such long hours.
Becky would have been gone early morning barely being able to help get the kids off to school as she was getting ready for her work day- and not returning home until after 7pm at night.
When was dinner? Homework time? Were the kids bussed to school?
Perhaps Beckys hours may have set up a truancy problem – were the kids on their own? Did they frequently get to school late, as in Arizona missing one class PERIOD- would = truancy- and sometimes a students is deemed absent if they are not intime for roll call-
So could the “get your butt home” quip be resentment from Beckys working etc?
IDK
AJMO
Ode very important important points made in both your posts-
Just need to comment on one thing-
You wrote in part:
Someone took the boys home first and IMO it was Becky. She had 3 children to get cleaned and ready for bed….if they all had to take showers they went ahead with Mom.
Becky was not a single mother and she did work outside the home the duties of getting the kids cleaned and ready for bed didnt necessarily fall in Moms lap.
AJMO
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TGF wrote;
This was a weekend. Kids today at age six are often allowed to stay up to all hours during a weekend. In my day and with my kids, when they were six no matter what was going on, bedtime on weekends was 9:00 P.M. Bedtime during school nights was 8:00 P.M. Six year olds need from ten to twelve hours of sleep.
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First TGF,
Respectfully in your day children were not required to even go to kdg- and mothers seldom worked outside of the home-
I think we are forgetting that this wasnt a one parent household with one child to focus on-
Becky worked- and in addition to going to school, all 3 children were involved in extracurricular activities.
Im sorry but it was a Friday night- Isa was at her brothers bb game- –
In every parents ideal world the kids are fed and showered and safely tucked into bed at “appropriate” bed times-
If this is the worst parenting by Becky and Sergio then sorry- but I think you are being way too judgmental.
AJMO
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/justice-jeanine/index.html
This was an interesting show last evening. Even these experts are suprised by some of the happenings in this case. Listen if you have a chance. Mark Furman, Joey Jackson and Dr. Baden are on the panel.
I get a lot of heat over Mark Fuhrman, but outside of the Ramsey case, I find him a talented investigator.
The single most important take away of that show are his two statements about this case:
1. I have never worked a case of a missing child where the parent used the word abducted.
2. In 29 years, I have never seen CPS bar contact of a parent of a non-suspect. (para)
B
What I was trying to point out Mom3.0 was exactly how things have changed in fifty years. Sometimes changes are IMO a backward step in our culture. Yes, all my children are middle fifties to early sixties except one who arrived seven years after the main group.
Thanks for your research regarding truancy in Arizona. The laws probably reflect the culture of the native indians who did not believe in going to school so the state made it mandatory. What I didn’t get was how CPS would fit into the truancy scene unless there were other reasons.
There were special schools for the Indians in Arizona. In Phoenix, for example, a main West to East street is named Indian School Road.
Forty years ago this was a little two lane street that was about four miles long. Today it is four lanes and many miles long.
You are right. Sometimes old guys like me are not so flexible regarding current behaviors.
I think bothering to learn and ask makes you very flexible and wise.
B
I have to say that I see this as a narcissistic father who uses drugs, married to a woman with an alcohol problem. (This has been eluded too in more than one article that I have read.) SC is a man of many faces and I think he may be diabolical at times. I think he may have taken advantage of times when BC may have been drinking and done things to the kids if BC was not able to protect the kids. I don’t even want to go into detail, but I think we can imagine what drugs and alcohol do to someone (SC) who has ‘tendencies’. If we pull this family apart we will see a father who crossed boundaries and got brazen enough to do damage to his daughter in the worst way and poor Isa couldn’t come back from it? Did she sleep with her brothers for protection? Were they victims of his ways? Was BC blind to it because she had problems enough with alcohol that turned off her ‘mommy hinky meter’ when it came to her children? Did she buy what SC sells so much that he was more important to her than her children? Maybe we can’t put BC anywhere on that night because she was passed out? She can’t admit it and can’t speak of details of that night because she wasn’t there? These are JMO of course, but the cover up going on speaks volumes of a casualty due to abuse of Isa and then lack of protection for her also.
Not that I do not think these two have had some substance issues, but it should be noted those charges were dismissed. Just being factual.
B
Ode very important important points made in both your posts-
Just need to comment on one thing-
You wrote in part:
Someone took the boys home first and IMO it was Becky. She had 3 children to get cleaned and ready for bed….if they all had to take showers they went ahead with Mom.
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Mom3.0 you point out that Becky was not a single parent and why it would fall in Mom’s lap. I believe that this is most probable for one reason simply that it was late and if SC was to stay late and clean the ball field there would be little point in delaying getting the children bathed and ready by sticking around unless transportation was an issue. 3 showers in an evening can be taxing on a water heater if not spaced out well, however, in my heart I think that RC is the submissive one in the relationship and normal gender based roles would apply when both parents are around. A man that insinuates that he told his wife to “get her butt home” leaves me to think this. JMO
Mom3.0
Forgot to include the response to your kindergarten comment.
When I was a child ,kindergarten was a private school paid for by the parents. Few except the wealthy could afford it. By the time my children arrived, it was mandatory and was a part of the public school system.
The working moms began during the second world war. Many with children who were grown began to take jobs to help the war effort. Some were forced to take jobs because of the loss of their partner as a war casuality. Employers, other than retail,banks,telephone and the medical profession found that women could do valuable work.
By the 1950′s there were many working moms who entered the work force after the last child was in school. This gradually changed to include working moms with children less than a year old. This has totally changed our culture.
Mom3.0 says:
May 20, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Mom3.0 says, I mean according to the 911 call Sergio went to wake up Isa then woke the boys to help- did they sleep in their clothes also?
Because have you ever tried to wake kids and rush them? ANd basing Sergios demeanor on his call- he was not frantic- so how was all the searching initiated?
It all takes time- and then they searched the house and the neighborhood- and mom was called home- what time were these calls made? Whats the timeline?
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Hi Mom3.0, I know your sweet children always come first, but I truly look forward to your analyses of these cases.
I also have a lot of questions about the timeline. I agree with you about how difficult it is to rush kids out of bed. A piece of this puzzle is clearly missing. I find BC credible and believe she did braid Isa’s hair that night right before bedtime; I also believe she feels a lot of guilt for not checking in on Isa before she left for work. I know I could be wrong, but I suspect the male voices the female neighbor heard at 6:28 that morning, were Isa’s male relatives looking for her. I think Becky had probably already left for work by that time. If her shift started at 7:00 AM she would likely be at the hospital on her unit at 6:45 AM for change of shift report. So, I think Isa was found to be missing quite a bit earlier than was first reported by SC. I am not pointing a finger at SC at all. There are so many things we don’t know about this case, so I am still willing to give SC the benefit of a doubt.
As I wrote before, I can think of so many reason why CPS may have been called in December, but I am not going to speculate, because if these parents are in fact innocent, I cannot imagine the hell they have been living in for the past four weeks.
By the way, does anyone know if the boys are back in school? Didn’t SC and BC keep them out quite a while?
Although I hope this is nothing more than some kooky hoax and little Isa is safe somewhere, the longer she is missing, imo, the closer we are a tragic ending. But, I’m not ready to give up yet. Many prayers are being offered up for Isa and all who love her.
Sorry if my thoughts sound disjointed. My stepson married his lovely fiancee in NJ last night….and we had to be at Newark airport at six this morning after dancing well past midnight last night. Of course, the last dance was Bruce Springsteen’s “Born to Run”.
Yay! My only regret is that you were so close and I could not see you in person. That said I would not wish a flight out of Newark at 6am on anyone- sorry. If it is any concillation, LaGuardia at that hour is worse.
B
Yes Blink – I realize that the charges were dismissed and that is why I didn’t bring them up, but the charges point to a problem that exists and may have been a prevailing problem in the household and in her life enough to cause the demise of her daughter. She hasn’t admitted that she has a problem yet. When she does, she can admit that she wasn’t there to protect her daughter. And I believe that this is the extent of her culpability in this. I believe that is what she is covering up now because of her past problems with alcohol and how it almost landed her in trouble before. Put it all together and you get a mother who ‘checked out’ more than once in her kids’ lives.
I am confused, you did bring up drinking or substance issues and those charges were dismissed for both.
What would you be basing such a firm opinion on then?
B
B
Mom3.0, thank you for your thoughtful response. You have a good point. There’s no harm in all of us posting possibilities and theories. Many heads are better than one. Funny that it takes a Mom to take me back to when I was 19 years old. I was 19 when I came to the shockingly painful realization that I didn’t know everything.
Lol, you were an early learner. It took me until the birth of my first child at 28 to learn that.
Going from being the best parent in the world without a child to a parent scared to not know everything to protect your baby in an instant is a real experience. Let’s all say thanks for being open to each other.
B
ATG One cps neglect factor in every State is protracted school absences. I myself went to schools reporting significant absences to CPS to get copies of school records, talk to staff. That said it was never cause enough standing alone to monkey with the family other than warn, caution & assess if support services (ie housekeeper, transportation) was needed to tide the family over. On the other hand if there was great cause to go to Court on more weighty neglect issues with a difficult situation, it was one more subsidiary neglect factor for the Court report.
“Truancy” per se isn’t a cps child neglect factor.
That comes under other juvenile issues not cps related–
“persons in need of supervision.” That is, usually is a juvie issue
not a neglect issue and in a different gov’t
social worker piece of the system.
http://tucsoncitizen.com/pats-bits-and-bytes/?p=128
Scroll down to the bottom of the transcript @ Rebecca Celis. I’m sure most of the readers have seen this document, but the way I read it, BC was pulled over and the officer felt she was driving under the influence with an open container in the car, with one of her children in the car with her. It is indicated that the charges were dismissed, but there is at least evidence that the officer felt she should make a court appearance due to the ‘possibility’ that she was drinking and driving. Usually police don’t push the issue if they don’t feel there is a problem. It shows a past problem with alcohol even though she wasn’t convicted of a crime. I am merely pointing out, and it is my own opinion, that alcohol and substance abuse is a factor in this case.
For me, this is why she is so ‘off’ in her public appearances. Not because she is drinking now, but because she doesn’t know what happened the night Isa went missing. I think she was out of it and missed a lot and is buying SC explanation of things.
hi ATG
Yes my impoverished parents only got me K in TX in the 50s by private.
Yet neither of my kids in the 90s had it mandated in our County, for then half-day, either, so to be in K they were in private too. Public Mandatory K, & full-day, only started in economic largesse here in late 90s or so.
Let’s see if K keeps up under the tea party etc reining in of govt in our hard economic times.
Sergio comes across to me as a die-hard baseball enthusiast, at least in regards to his kids playing. (He mentioned getting them back out to practice, despite the fact that Isa had just gone missing, in order for them to get endorphins.) Becky made a special point to mention that Isa is a “girly girl”. Perhaps Isa didn’t like playing baseball and dad was pushing it on her. Maybe Sergio didn’t sound very concerned in the 911 call because, at that point, he wasn’t really convinced she had been taken. He may have thought she was hiding really well because she didn’t want to go to her baseball game. When he called Becky at work to tell her that he couldn’t find Isa, she may have been the one to insist he call 911. She might have first used the word “abducted” and Sergio repeated it to appease her.
I know it sounds like I’m playing “devil’s advocate” here, but like mom3.0, I’m hesitant to form an opinion about the parents (one way or another) just yet. I think their behavior is strange, but I can also come up with reasonable, possible explanations for it. I’m really on the fence still and would like to have more details.
I’ve been away all weekend so I don’t know if any of the “rumors” about the message “allegedly” written inside Isa’s closet have been confirmed either way, but I gave it some thought throughout the weekend.
If Isa wrote “My dad is bad, bad, bad”…to me, it leads me to believe her words mean more about a sexual attack than a physical abuse one.
I guess I’m assuming anger outbursts and over the top discipline would have prompted a “my dad is mean” more than a “my dad is bad bad bad” sentence.
To me, “bad” to a 5-6 year old means things we shouldn’t speak of more than “mean”…again MOO.
I pray this is rumor and not fact…the idea of a little girl crying out by writing on her closet wall because her father is sexually abusing her breaks my heart into a million pieces.
Prayers for Isa.
Rose
Thanks for your explanation about the CPS and truancy. This was my understanding of it being a juvinal issue. I had no knowledge of how or why CPS would be called for truancy problems. However, you have experience in Texas and other states may be slightly different.
Your county was like many in Texas. They simply did not have the funds to create a kindergarten class for a long time. The large counties like Harris began that program in the 1950′s.
Today, with the help of federal and state funds many counties have pre-kindergarten beginning at age four. The class is helpful to mothers who must work as it provides a safe place for the child.
I was at the LL baseball game April 20th. Isa was having fun that night playing with other children during her brother’s game. The entire family was there and Isabel was closely supervised by her mom. She seemed like she a great time playing and was happy. She ate a nacho chip and choked momentarily and was given a pat on the back and a drink of water. Becky was not far away and came right over to check on Isa. It is quite normal for young children to be at the park that late with their families.
Welcome Glitter sparkle. I agree with you in general, I did not find the “chip incident” noteworthy.
Is there anything else you feel comfortable sharing?
B
Kris
Your comment about Isa being a girly girl and dad trying to make her be involved in sports has merit. He indeed could have thought she was hiding. Girls need exercise as much as boys. Dads often and moms too get them involved in organized sports before they are really ready.
Six year olds play T-ball where the ball is placed on a Tee that is waist high. The co-ordination of some at that age is very poor while others excel for their age. It is funny to watch the bat swings that don’t come close to the ball. Of course, some swing so hard that they fall down.