Isabel Celis Breaking News: Child Services Removes Sons From Sergio Celis Care and Placed With Mother
In the latest development in the April 21st disappearance of missing Tucson child Isabel Celis, her father Sergio has been stripped of his physical custodial rights of her brothers.
There has been no confirmation from Tucson Police about the children’s removal and placement, and CPS has only confirmed the boys have been placed with one parent.
Sources inside the investigation have confirmed to www.blinkoncrime.com that evidence gleaned in the investigation has warranted alternative placement of the couples oldest children in the wake of the disappearance of their daughter, Isabel.
The boys, whose names have been reported previously elsewhere but are being intentionally withheld by www.blinkoncrime.com have been placed together, not separately.
Check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for details.
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Kris says:
May 26, 2012 at 12:58 am
I was skimming the report really quickly so maybe I saw this incorrectly, but I’ve got that BC left for work at 6:47. Did anyone else see that or did I misread? Neighbor Alicia heard the dogs barking at 6:30. If this is correct, something was going on outside the Celis house during the 15 minutes BEFORE Becky left for work.
Also, did anyone notice that one of the psychic tips had the name McDonald as being significant. There happens to be a neighbor (Nathan McDonald) living on the street. He was out searching (in the park I think) with a mag lite. Strange coincidence?
Kris says:
May 26, 2012 at 2:04 am
Sorry, I misread Becky’s departure time. Elsewhere I see that she reported leaving at 7:30. Something happened at 6:47. Maybe it was the time she woke up. I need to go back and re-read the document when I’m not so tired.
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I went back and re-read. It appears to be a conflicting report about the time at which BC left for work. Officer Orozo, who was among the first at the scene and made contact with CS and BC, reported that Rebecca left at 6:47.
What I don’t understand is why the police waited this long to release this information. In my view it did not help a thing, in fact, it led people to go off on wild tangents and speculation. Back when we heard that a cadaver dog “hit”on something in the house, I knew we were looking at an inside job. Isa is not in Mexico. Yes we know Isa was “abducted” but the big question remains was she alive or not when that happened?
Trying to picture a complete stranger going over that wall, breaking into her room, then hoisting her back over that wall just seems preposterous to me. The abductor did not go out the front door because they said it was locked! Someone would have to have had a key to lock it from the outside.
This is the third child disappearance where cadaver dogs have hit on something INSIDE the house.
Lisa Irwin—cadaver dogs hit on carpet spot right by mother’s bed.
Ayla Reynolds—cadaver dogs hit on something I believe it was in the basement.
And now Isa. Strange parental behaviour in all 3. Parents that never seem to check on their children during the night or even the next morning. Stories that don’t add up. Fake or contrived grief.
It’s all getting way too old. No arrest yet in either baby Irwin or Reynolds. Why?
It seems to me, and this is just my opinion, that in all these cases that appear to be inside jobs, the bodies are so well hidden as to never be recovered. Yet in many stranger abductions the bodies are just “dumped” in random places without much effort being made to cover the tracks.
I just fear that if we don’t start cracking these inside job cases there will be many more copycat crimes.
Just one more bit of speculation on my part–the removal of the two children from the father. To me this is like the smoking gun of the case. I immediately thought back to the Powell case. The husband was clearly unstable and suspected in the death of his wife, yet allowed to still have visitation, although supervised with his two children, then the unthinkable.
This was still fresh in alot of people’s minds, especially law enforcement and CPS. The two boys could very well have been under threat from the father to keep quiet about what they saw or heard.
Somehow I think this father was up to no good about something, what that is, is anyone’s guess. Those kids are of the age they are talking, including Isa, like talking inside the closet walls. The mother has been working so much of the time she is probably clueless as to what has been going on.
Again, speculation but I think he was up to no good either with this child or she caught him at something and started to talk. I cannot imagine any other scenario. I think we can rule out somebody owing a debt. I don’t think drugs were involved either. There has been abuse of some kind.
I also couldn’t help but wonder when they said SC was singing in church. I thought, hmm, where have I heard that before? Flashback to 1974, Ronald Clark O’Brien the infamous candy killer actually got up and sang at his son’s funeral after he has poisoned him to death, this was before he was suspected in the killing.
I know I am wildly speculating here, but these things just pop into my head and I can’t get them out.
With the release of these documents and the media coverage of selected contents, I can only imagine the amount of chatter, buzz, suspicion, tension and sweat occurring locally in homes, between neighbors, between families, on phones and computers, workplaces, in retail lines, at baseball fields . . .
More tips and information should be forthcoming as a result, especially if pertinent people keep in mind there is obviously a lot that hasn’t been released by LE, and the possibility that this document release could be only the first, with another to come . . . uh-huh.
jmo’s
Sounds like we should all turn off JVM! How are her details so embellished and incorrectly stated by her?! Geesh!
The shower curtain was stated in police report to have brown stains on one end. Police did NOT do anything to it on the scene and stated that they took it and sent it on as evidence to be evaluated later…..
Sorry, I misread Becky’s departure time. Elsewhere I see that she reported leaving at 7:30. Something happened at 6:47. Maybe it was the time she woke up. I need to go back and re-read the document when I’m not so tired.
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I noticed that too. I saw reference to her leaving for work at 7:30 and 6:47 in two separate police reports. I also thought it was odd that PR said, “approximate time 6:47.” That’s hardly “approximate!” Maybe it was typed in wrong by officer?
If the shifts are like most hospitals, 7-3, 3-11, 11-7 the 6:47 time seems like it would be more accurate, depending on which hospital she works at.
Apparently one of the K-9s alerted on a neighbor’s house – resident Min Hahn on E. Cooper St, directly to the south of the Celis house. I wonder how often there are false “alerts” from the K-9 units and if the cadaver dogs also make false alerts? I’ve heard (on Nancy Grace) they also alert on body fluids, not necessarily just the scent of cadavers?
Neighbor Linda Hulten heard a dog barking non-stop for at least 30 minutes at about 2:00am on 4-21. She believed it was a dog belonging to a resident on E. Cooper St. Nobody was home when LE checked but there was a grey Ford Mustang in the front yard.
I’m still bothered by one of the early reports saying that Becky left for work at 6:47. A simple mistake or is Becky lying about what time she really left for work?
Any thoughts about “Margarita Macias”? She claimed she was a sister-in law to the Celis family, that she worked for the same doctor as Sergio, that the doctor loaned Sergio 175,000.00 and that the loan has something to do with Isa’s disappearance. The call was placed from a pay phone. “Margarita” was never found; she does not work for the doctor and the doctor did not loan any money to Sergio. So why would a strange woman make such a call? I’m wondering if Sergio took a loan from some bad guys but told Becky it was from the doctor he worked for. If he told Becky that Isa’s disappearance had something to do with the loan, Becky could have still been under the impression that the loan was from the doctor and she or a friend could have made the call (pretending to be someone named Margarita Macias – an anonymous tipster.)
There is also a discrepancy about a blood spot found on the driver’s seat in one of the cars. On NG they said the blood spot was on the driver’s side of the Toyota Corolla that is parked in the garage. On JVM they said the blood spot was on the driver’s side of the red car that was not running and parked on the side of the house.
Does anyone know which is correct?
Corolla
B
I simply do not understand the rationale of the Tucson Police Department for releasing these reports. I searched on line to see if such a lengthy release of PR was typical protocal—I found nothing. Certainly, TPD did not release them in an attempt to incite a mob riot against the Celis family which would cause one or more of them to “break their silence” if there is a guilty party here? I mean, that would take us way back to the “Wild, wild West.”
The reports, IMO, show a massive effort on the part of LE to block off the family neighborhood for days and “knock and talk” to residents in the neighborhood. There is reference to going to the very FAR SE side of Tucson and then to very far SW side of Tucson and then to the very far NE side–I guess to follow leads; there is no explanation as to why. Tucson is a very LARGE land mass (I believe it is something like 40 miles across E-W) and to read that the police went here, went there, went just about everywhere—well, imo, it reminded me of looking for a needle in a haystack. In terms of their actions, the reader of these reports is really left with the impression that this sweet child could literally “be anywhere.”
The reports had a rather heavy amount of “tips” from psychics and other “crazy people”—virgin sacrifice, satanic cults, sex slaves….If my memory serves me, there were less than 10 black-out spots, which I assume are considered legitmate leads/evidence by the police?
This case is very disheartening: it has been more than a month. The idea that Isa is alive is grim. If she is alive, her circumstances will no doubt be horrifying. Bringing these polic reports to the public’s attention does not strike me as anything other than the police wanting to prove to the public that they “did something.” IMO, there’s really very little (if anything) in the reports that the general public could act on to provide another tip or useful information.
I think the biggest question in the minds of John Q. Public would be, “why have police not questioned the parents more?” Are the sessions with the parents classified and not included here? Other than questioning the Celis parents at their home, on the day of Isabel’s disappearance, I could find no other reference to questioning them again.
Furthermore, if their had been blood found on the shower curtain, blood identified as Isa’s in her bedroom DNA connections, etc., would that not have been released by the police and reported in the news? Seems to me those are far better tactics for giving a “closing in on you” impression than this recent release of 500+ pages of reports.
Everyone I have spoken to about this since the report release responds with, “they’ve got nothing.” Sad….tragic….Where is this child? And, where is the FBI–clearly, TPD needs assistance.
They are required to release all non-case sensitive as per any FOIA request.
B
Kris, I have been baffled by the different times listed for Becky leaving throughout this whole ordeal. I can’t understand how difficult it could possibly be to have the time correct. Initially I had always read 7:30. Then I heard BC say in the 911 call, 7:00. THen Blink said it’s been verified as her leaving at 6:30. Now you have listed this other time of 6:47. THere are SO many inconsistencies in this case that my head is spinning. Which leads me to believe that the parents can’t get their story straight. I would think that her employer verified when she got to work. Others have said it was a 7-7 shift. It just goes on and on….
@wpg says:
May 25, 2012 at 11:59 pm
re: the neighbor
“If anyone has read the pdfs and found a report of LE interviewing the neighbor Alicia Stardevant, I would be grateful if you can provide where in the pdfs it is or which pdf it is in . . . because I cannot seem to find anything regarding an interview by LE with the female next-door neighbor.
I have read recorded comings and goings of her, including an officer who had arrived to assist other officers that were already on scene Saturday, April 21 reporting, while he was assigned to scene security in the front of the incident location, making contact with her as she was walking in the alley way that was blocked off by crime-tape.
She advised him she lived in the area, and had to get to work and could not get her vehicle out of the area. The time he had made that contact with her has been redacted
Thank you.”
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In one of the PDF’s there is a mention of Alicia Stardevant. I’ll try to find it. I wonder why LE didn’t redact the phone numbers of some of the individuals they interviewed before they released the info to the public.
Below is a transcript from NG interviewing Alicia Stardevant. She provides a lot of information.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/26/ng.01.html
I’m still bothered by one of the early reports saying that Becky left for work at 6:47. A simple mistake or is Becky lying about what time she really left for work?
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Hi Kris–
Me too. Do you remember a news report way at the beginning of this situation where BC’s boss was quoted as saying that BC arrived “very early” for her shift that Saturday? Your comments made me think that she did actually leave very early for work that day and leave me wondering “why?” Hoping the police acted on the discrepencies in her statements about what time she left for work that day.
They are required to release all non-case sensitive as per any FOIA request.
B
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Oh, so this is protocol in a case such as this? I didn’t know that. I don’t think most people assume that either–at least, based on the public comments in the local NP today. I am an avid NP reader–I don’t think I’ve ever seen this before.
They are required to release all non-case sensitive as per any FOIA request.
B
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Or are you saying that someone requested them released under the FOIA? Why were they published–would that have been part of the request?
TPD releases them to the press, and the press published them.
B
@wpg says:
May 25, 2012 at 11:59 pm
re: the neighbor
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There are interviews with several neighbor in this PDF. One in particular her name is Linda heard dogs barking and commotion at 2:am the night Isa disappered.
PDF Celis 5: Allegations of owed money, evidence from home
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/link/563536/pdf-celis-5-allegations-of-owed-money-evidence-from-home
“They are required to release all non-case sensitive as per any FOIA request.
B”
I didn’t know that either, but now seem to vaguely recall one of the media stations saying on a broadcast about the documents “[the station's name] REQUESTED and received … ”
So case sensitive material would be redacted or documents not included at all in a public release. Okay, that makes sense.
Thanks, Blink.
wpg,
I tried an advanced google search and a search at scribd.com but didn’t get the page number for you.
I’m nearly finished with the 500 pages, but I believe it’s in the first 69-96.
pueblodweller:
The Arizona Public Records Law is a series of laws designed to guarantee that the public has access to public records of government bodies at all levels in Arizona. The law was first enacted in 1901.
http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/Arizona_Public_Records_Law
another example is Florida- ie Caylee Anthony
wpg, here’s a note on the date and time alice spoke acc to justice.net
“A neighbor Alicia Stardevant came forward today and said she spoke with police officer and Justin Mastromarino (Isabel Celis uncle) at approximately 8:00am on April 21. She reported at approximately 6:30am on the morning Isabel disappeared that she heard two male voices outside her bedroom window and her dog & Celis dogs were barking, dogs were going crazy.”
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1498122
TPD releases them to the press, and the press published them.
B
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Thanks:-) Sorry if I seem thick! It just seemed odd to me to see all that info. published in the NP. So then– now I understand that there is still other info.–the “sensitive” info. that LE is not obligated to release.
Not at all, their are many variables at play here, and if this is really the first high profile case you are following, I can certainly justify all of your questions and concerns.
I will say this- releasing investigative documents will only ever help a case.
B
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18628999/tucson-man-concerned-police-report-misquotes-him
What to make of this??
I think it is common for reports to be vague, or misinterpreted, and like you yourself mentioned, I think the good citizens of Arizona have not had a high profile case like Isa’s ala Casey Anthony and may not be used to the surreptitious and other boundaries of LE in criminal investigations.
My bigger issue is why is he being interviewed yet a third time?
B
Officer Perkins reports at 18:35 on 4/24 that he responded to Highland Park, following a call from citizen Ralph Comey who noticed some child’s sandals in a garbage can near the pool.
“On 4/23/12 I was asked to respond to Highland Park. Ralph Comey had called advising he has seen a child’s pair of sandals in a trash can near the pool at the park. I responded and located the shoes. I took field photographs of the area and of the shoes and collected them. Also in the can was a carryout bag from “Famous Dave’s BBQ”.
I contacted Sergeant Robinson (#redacted by me)and was directed to place the shoes into evidence at the Midtown Substation. I placed the shoes into evidence at the Midtown Substation.NFI”
Hopefully I’ve copied that statement correctly. Please correct any errors as these sandals may come into the picture later.
Possibley only as a pair of shoes in the trash that children found and tried on–we’ve already been told Isa was a shoe diva (by RC)
correction: 4/23/12 as in the good officer’s report!!*
The above info was from
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/link/563539/pdf-celis-6-sandals-found-in-park-dna-from-family
pdf. 6 approx page 10
Any thoughts on what RC told LE that her son has ______. The LE asked her if she thought he was capable of harming his sister. RC said no.
It’s a small word, maybe an acronym; could it be ADHD? It seemed an oddly placed comment in a very thorough report.
I believe this was the 4 pg. Rizzi report.
That is my belief. ADD/ADHD yes.
B
@pueblodweller says:
May 26, 2012 at 2:33 pm
I’m still bothered by one of the early reports saying that Becky left for work at 6:47. A simple mistake or is Becky lying about what time she really left for work?
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It was in one of the PDF TPD police reports just released. It states she left approx 6:47 that morning for work. Is there a descrepancy?
Also interesting in pdf 6 p.54 is Officer Nobish’s report regarding the clothing found at Sears Park.
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/link/563539/pdf-celis-6-sandals-found-in-park-dna-from-family
“At 2:15p.m. I was approached by Robin Kahlers,…while at 12th st./Van Buren. she stated that she and her husband had been at Sears Park…While there they found a small pair of children’s stockings, large shoe prints, and tire tracks, a cigarette package and a recipt for a man’s cap. Because of the proximity to the scene, I advised her to return to the location, call 911 and to wait for officers. She did so and #…call was created. I contacted and advised Sgt. Mann…via MTC and he acknowledged. I also sent Sgt. Merrill …a MTC message and he acknowledged to dispatch.”
The report was dated 4/24/12, without time given.
A man, DB was looking for empty boxes in a dumpster behind a UPS store on 4/24/12 when he encountered a bag with maggots and hair.
Officers Wilson, Young, and Babenko responded, taped off the area, and removed the bag and trashcan.
They determined that the contents were either a deceased dog or pig and that “there did not appear to be any human remains in the back (sic) whatsoever.”
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/link/563539/pdf-celis-6-sandals-found-in-park-dna-from-family
pdf. 6, page 58
imo–LE has a nasty job to do and this one: c’est deguelasse! (excuse my French.)
For Serious.
I have been to some vomit inducing forensic outings, and honestly, I do not know how some do it that are only in the periphery of the “work”. God Bless those that can.
B
Blink, since this is a learning site I have to ask what is your take on the release of 550 pages of investigation before an arrest and acquisition of a defense attorney and location or ultimate outcome of a crime or victim. Have you ever seen anything close to this before?
Ode, excellent question, I am working on that, and will publish my next piece on it.
B
If you listen to RC’s 911, it sounds like she says, I was at work at 7 or I left for work at 7. If she was at work by 7, she probably left at 647.
No where I have heard her say 7.30.
My bigger issue is why is he being interviewed yet a third time?
B
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Funny you should say that,
UM- soooooo is he being misquoted again about “girls” vs. “girl”
OH MY GOODNES
We were talking in the context of Isabel running away from home or if there was some kind of foul play, and so my remarks were simply centered around I thought it would be odd that the little girls would run away,” Tronziger says.
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18628999/tucson-man-concerned-police-report-misquotes-him
WAIT!
I should have said, “is he being MISUNDERSTOOD AGAIN”
(SNARK)
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18628999/tucson-man-concerned-police-report-misquotes-him
pueblodweller says:
May 26, 2012 at 5:09 pm
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18628999/tucson-man-concerned-police-report-misquotes-him
What to make of this??
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Hi pueblodweller -
I think he either did NOT say those things and is worried about being misrepresented OR he DID say those things and just doesn’t want SC and others in his community to know he said them.
And yes, I do recall something about Becky’s boss saying she got to work early that morning.
any adhd early teen lad is capable of harming a little sister as judgment is impaired and impulsivity unregulated, especially tired late at night. I would agree with RC if the word “intentionally” were inserted.
Rose, I know you are well versed in such issues, but I have to say, I respectfully totally disagree with adhd causing some sort of homicidal episode, or the other subsequent actions that are at play here.
There is simply no evidence of that. I am really protective of the little man who I heard more than distraught at his missing sister, running through the neighborhood asking strangers if they saw his Isabel- he had the poise to remember her middle name and sometimes what PJ’s she wore.
I am not sure I can forget the ” I mean, she is just 6 years old” comment.
None of my prelims include Sergio or Julian, fwiw.
B
my shower curtains get brown stains on one end and it is fungus.
unless analyzed by a lab, imo
inconclusive to date
But do you put it in your non-operational vehicle hatchback?
B
Oh, I just thought of what RC may have said to the officer regarding her son. She may have wanted to get in front of the house search by saying that her son owns a bb gun or pellet gun?
Am I close or far off?
wrong house wg.
B
lyla and Word Girl,
Much appreciate your info and efforts regarding the Celis’ next-door neighbor.
I don’t recall Ms.Stardevant naming JustinM as per the timeline at the JusticeQ site. Maybe there was an assumption or misunderstanding on the part of JQ at the time?
I skimmed through all the pdfs again and found no questioning of Ms.Stardevant included in the released documents – - – I guess it’s case sensitive information one way or the other.
The report has LE arriving first on scene at 8:20.
JustinM is reported arriving much later (gadzooks, I didn’t mark it down.)
He’s not the person who knocked on Ms.Stardevant’s front door, imo.
And I don’t find it possible that LE was at her door at the 8:00/8-ish time she has publicly stated.
lyla, I did read about Linda who lives on E 13th Street and the 2am closing of her window because of the continuous barking of a neighborhood dog that went on for at least another 30 minutes, until she finally fell asleep,
Surprised that the Celis’ female neighbor didn’t hear this dog, considering she told Nancy Grace producer Ellie that she got home at around 1:30am.
Perhaps LE’s search for video from the church at the 1:00-1:30am time frame was in relation to both Linda (pre/at 2am) and Ms.Stardevant’s (1:30am) statements.
As far as the 6:30am frantic-going nuts Celis’ dogs, there are likely other neighbors that can either support or dispute the account.
Probably case sensitive also.
Chelsea Mastromarino (I may have the name wrong) told LE that she thought Justin was a drug dealer. If that’s true, could he have been a middle man using the trunk of the non-operational car as a drop off spot while he was living with the Celis family? Drugs coming in from Mexico might have been dropped off in the trunk for him to sell in Tucson. If he owed his suppliers a lot of money, they may have taken Isa and put a blood stained shower curtain in the trunk as a message. I know, it sounds like something from a t.v. show or movie. It’s a stretch. I don’t know a whole lot about how drugs make it into this country and are redistributed, but I would imagine stuff like this does occur.
Ah-ha. I found the name I was looking for in pdf 5, page 59.
“Using Leuko-Malachite I performed a presumptive test for blood…”
reported Officer Nygren (Forensics ID) in pdf 5, page 59 at
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/link/563536/pdf-celis-5-allegations-of-owed-money-evidence-from-home
Trying to understand how this test works and whether it needed to pick up leukocytes, I turned to Wikipedia. They say:
“However this use is relatively rare. Leuco-malachite green (LMG) is used as a detection method for latent blood in forensic science. Hemoglobin catalyzes the reaction between LMG and hydrogen peroxide, converting the colorless LMG into malachite green. Therefore, the appearance of a green color indicates the presence of blood.”
This is small taters, but it seems that police departments would have standard forms for securing and documenting entrance and egress in a particular area. One officer made a nice excel sheet, others wrote in narrative (and one even said he’d been given permission to do so) and others made up their own sorts of reporting forms. Some seemed fairly chaotic and I would not like to be the guy trying to keep track of all that foot and vehicle traffic as well as all the goodbuddies coming up with their theories or their genuine concerns.
I think the Excel sheet worked the best, but might need a comment column.
Nice job, LE, on a hard task.
I know I sound naive, but I’m still hoping and praying the parents aren’t behind this…….that someone took Isa for non-sexual reasons (debt, revenge, etc…) and that she can still be returned to her family. I know it’s highly unlikely.
@ wpg says:
May 26, 2012 at 10:29 pm
lyla and Word Girl,
Much appreciate your info and efforts regarding the Celis’ next-door neighbor.
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Case sensitive would be my guess also.
Could someone refresh my memory regarding the Celis’s children. How old are they and what are their names? Thanks!
They are 14 and 10, Sergio Jr and Julian
B
On Nancy Grace a while back was video showing LE at the trunk of the hatchback folding a pillow with light green fabric covering and fitting it into a brown paper evidence bag.
The pillow was somewhat “shredded” through in the center area – - the stuffing was falling out from both the top and bottom and strips of fabric torn from the center were hanging and flapping. The LE tech was taking care to hold it all together. It was chilling to see.
Thought it looked like maybe someone took a knife or something sharp to the center and ripped it open . . . maybe looking for something.
What the heck causes that kind of destruction to the center of a pillow, all the way through? Adding the stained shower curtain and hat makes me ill.
Someone on scene reported on Nancy Grace (was it Jean C.?) that a section or sections of carpeting were also taken from the hatchback.
Is the hatchback still there or has it be quietly seized and impounded?
Link for Nancy Grace show April 25, with LE techs at hatchback.
“Cops search missing girl’s family car”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74sIqdJPLGk
Need to do stops and pauses on the video to see the handling of the pillow by the technician and the stuffing from both sides of center area while it is still in the trunk.
The torn strip of fabric is visible when the technician lifts the folded pillow out from the trunk.
Good catch wpg, about the 1:33 mark.
B
35. Rose says:
May 26, 2012 at 9:41 pm
my shower curtains get brown stains on one end and it is fungus.
unless analyzed by a lab, imo
inconclusive to date
But do you put it in your non-operational vehicle hatchback?
B
(insert embarrassed smiley here) I get the same soap scumy/fungusy stains as Rose at a corner of a shower curtain after some use (do men not know how to hose down the soap they leave on the darn thing?!), and we do recycle old shower curtains for outside purposes (covering a chair from rain, splatter mat for painting something). Maybe at some point it was put in the dead car for the dogs to lay on so they wouldn’t get hair in the car (if there were hopes of it being operational again), or putting greasy car parts on. The curtain in the kaput car wouldn’t bother me UNLESS one of the bathrooms in the home was missing a curtain, that would be hinky, IMO.
Ms. B, your forensic outing comment reminds of an original-flavor CSI episode where Sara & Catherine catch a case in a home. The LE by the door hands them an UMBRELLA! as they come in because a dude in an upstairs bathroom IS DRIPPING THRU THE FLOOR! I couldn’t make it thru that scene, bleeech! (yep, I know it’s just TV
)
Hugs from NC
I wonder if LE will tell the media the results of the blood test done on blanket and shower curtain.
Does anyone know where the belief Isa usually slept in her brothers room came from. Was this something the media reported? Also, if this was in fact the norm, has it ever been clarified as to why Isa slept in her own bed that night?
Thanks everyone for all you are doing to help Isa.
Prayers for Isa.
NG ONLY. No named source.
B
@ Blink.
I’m sorry to ask for clarification but I was just wondering what you meant by?
>> None of my prelims include Sergio or Julian, fwiw.
Sergio Jr, that is my bad. I meant that I am not seeing any indications whatsoever either brother could be involved.
B