Isabel Celis Breaking News: Child Services Removes Sons From Sergio Celis Care and Placed With Mother
In the latest development in the April 21st disappearance of missing Tucson child Isabel Celis, her father Sergio has been stripped of his physical custodial rights of her brothers.
There has been no confirmation from Tucson Police about the children’s removal and placement, and CPS has only confirmed the boys have been placed with one parent.
Sources inside the investigation have confirmed to www.blinkoncrime.com that evidence gleaned in the investigation has warranted alternative placement of the couples oldest children in the wake of the disappearance of their daughter, Isabel.
The boys, whose names have been reported previously elsewhere but are being intentionally withheld by www.blinkoncrime.com have been placed together, not separately.
Check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for details.
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About the shredded pillow & shower curtain –
One of the dogs could have shredded the pillow in play or frustration with sharp teeth – starting in the middle, while a shower curtain makes the perfect seat protector for transporting a sick or injured pet to the vet. They make super drop cloths for painting as well.
The dogs did run loose, liable for injury.
I am just not understanding why they would be in a non-operational vehicle.
B
Shower curtain & pillow – Why stuffed in the car ? Maybe for future use. Storage? If neatniks, “germaphobes,” possibly didn’t want them in the house or washed in the family wash machine?
Do we know who reported the dog issue other than a “neighbor”?
B
@ SouthernMom says:
May 27, 2012 at 10:48 am
Does anyone know where the belief Isa usually slept in her brothers room came from. Was this something the media reported? Also, if this was in fact the norm, has it ever been clarified as to why Isa slept in her own bed that night?
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It also appears to be media reported..
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” It has also been reported that Isabel usually slept with her 2 brothers but that she did not on Friday.”
http://lasvegasworldnews.com/isabel-celis-investigation-shifts-to-mexico/324/
Not that I could find, no.
@Blink
“wpg says:
May 27, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Do we know who reported the dog issue other than a “neighbor”?
B”
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About 2/3 of the way down there is an interview with Linda Hulten, a neighbor who heard dogs barking at 2:am.
PDF Celis 5: Allegations of owed money, evidence from home
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/link/563536/pdf-celis-5-allegations-of-owed-money-evidence-from-home
Thank you, I apologize, I was referring to the initial complaints against Sergio Celis.
B
Shower curtains can be washed with soap and bleach in a home washing machine and dried for a few minutes in a dryer. (Stand by the dryer so you don’t forget!)
I see no reason to put a shower curtain in a non-operational car’s trunk, unless it had been there for a long time, used to carry wet and dirty items, as others have suggested.
As a sports mom, I kept a box of garbage bags and a half roll of paper towels under my seat at all times. The bags would slip over the seats, fit the floor wells, and keep a kid warm at the same time. Paper towels were for hands and faces. Yes, they played hard.
Since we went there- thought I would share- I use fabric liners from target that are washable. I want to say that a while back they used to be available as mildew resistant, but I could not find them last time.
That said, I am a TJMAXX and Marshalls fanatic so they may be found less expensively there.
We have a well, so those with a well know that hard water is a pita, and as a result when we re-did our bathrooms, we opted to nix the doors for that very reason.
We agree, I am still not understanding why a demolished pillow and shower curtain- add a white hat, are in the hatchback.
B
Kimberly and Kris (and Pueblo for the question):
I so agree that Mr. T. is just trying to recraft his conversation in case Sergio is found innocent.
Paraphrased/scenario:
Mr. T relays info to the cop at the bagel shop, leading to a detective’s interview where he says he was misunderstood and wants to correct some of those statements. The original cop must have said, no way, he’s lying to Law Enforcement and since he said he has information, he needs to be reinterviewed. By the way, I, experienced LEO that I am, did not “misinterpret” his comments. End paraphrase/scenario.
Was there another interview with LE after this? I know the media jumped at the chance to get him to talk, but did LE?
“Thank you, I apologize, I was referring to the initial complaints against Sergio Celis.
B”
Oh.
No idea then.
@word girl
If only I could touch my toes, I’d be able to insert foot in mouth! ;/
I spoke before I had dug a little deeper and wish I could erase me comment!
I came across a video of him explaining himself, and once I watched it, I was soooo wishing I could have re-canted my post!
Now, where did I put that crow?
There is simply no evidence of that. I am really protective of the little man who I heard more than distraught at his missing sister, running through the neighborhood asking strangers if they saw his Isabel- he had the poise to remember her middle name and sometimes what PJ’s she wore.
I am not sure I can forget the ” I mean, she is just 6 years old” comment.
None of my prelims include Sergio or Julian, fwiw.
B
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I hear ya; I’ve teared up more than once listening to his 911 call and even reading Linda Hulten’s statement about her encounter with him Saturday morning. Breaks my heart! Another reason why mom and dad better not be responsible for Isa’s disappearance. It would be inexcusable putting the other 2 children through this!
katts says:
May 27, 2012 at 11:48 am
About the shredded pillow & shower curtain –
One of the dogs could have shredded the pillow in play or frustration with sharp teeth – starting in the middle, while a shower curtain makes the perfect seat protector for transporting a sick or injured pet to the vet. They make super drop cloths for painting as well.
The dogs did run loose, liable for injury.
I am just not understanding why they would be in a non-operational vehicle.
B
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Blink and all just a thought-
but perhaps these items were in the back of an inoperable vehicle because they could be used by the person who was workinfg on the vehicle-
Place the old shower curtain on the ground to prevent the mechanic from getting dusty and dirty- also catches screws etc- and pillow for the hard ground….
Question- Was dad or other family member apt to work on their own cars-change their own oil etc?
Why keep a car that is inoperable unless one hopes to work on it and fix it? Or part it out/?
Brings another question to mind- Did the family ever run an ad for the car to sell or part out?
AJMO
Wishing everyone a Happy Memorial Day weekend- Sending thanks to all Military men and women and their families-
and Praying for Isa
Peace
Question? Was the car locked- could someone other than the Celis gain entry?
adding this info-
Some helpful tips on how best to “recycle” an old shower curtain:
* Keep your old shower curtain in the trunk of your car, along with an old blanket or quilt. Next time you are at an outdoor event and want to sit on the grass, put down the shower curtain, then the blanket on top. The shower curtain keeps ground moisture from coming through your blanket.
*Use it as a drop cloth when working underneath your car on mechanical repairs. Pesky spills and chemicals can be quickly caught and wiped off before staining the driveway or garage floor.
http://www.wikihow.com/Reuse-Old-Shower-Curtains
AJMO
@Blink. Not only do I think boys innocent, they clearly need to be protected from the trauma of this event by removal
ftom the turmoil, and whatever else is going on, staying elsewhere and limitsetting on the last parent with Isa was right.
Imo they should never had been on the street searching at Sergio St’s direction that morning. He is not responsible.
I was speaking to the question generally as to whether an adhd boy could injure a little sister and I felt RC should have inserted “intentionally.” I was not commenting on what these 2 would do. And, Perfectly normal older 14 and 10 year olds injure 6 year old sisters unintentionally all the time, the reason “no left alone” laws with sib ages are there.
I myself wrestle right now on what to do with a neighbors’ boys (13, 10 yo twins) and little sister (12 mos?) whom ridiculous famous rich lobbyist attorney aggressive parents have take her to the park/slide in front of my home without an adult. All 3 boys should be diagnosed if they arent. 13 yr old runs off to beat up younger boys while the 10 yos are putting this girl up on monkeys bars, down the slide alone, etc. They are charming boys. But a 10 yo and an adhd 14 yo have little judgment and it was Sergio and Becky’s job to protect all 3.
It would be good to know if typed human blood was on the shower curtain.
Country girl chimin’ in, lol! I change my shower curtain very often just because I like a new on and don’t wanna wash. So, I can count that there are 3 that I have given my hubby for laying out tools, paint, etc.. They are stored in the truck box of the restored, Classic Chevy Scottsdale, and hasn’t been tagged in 4 years so you can call it immobile! Runs, just don’t wanna gas up the V8! My Dad, God love him, had a pillow in the truck also to lay his arm on after dialysis and I can’t bring myself to chuck it so it’s in the truck too! I can see all the things in that nonworking car if someone does projects/chores/auto-home repair.
Sorry, that is “new one”. Just to add what a sweetie my hubby is, my Dad willed the above truck to him and and he washes it, babies it, says he’s ready to drive it and gets behind the wheel, cranks it and cries like a baby. Brings keys back to key rack, goes back out and polishes the truck some more. I miss my Daddy!
imo parents inappropriately involved boys in all of this the first morning
and now need to let them
be children again.
Of course, in shock, if I often relied on my children to be overly
mature and do adult tasks, ie with grandma’s care, I could’ve said “go search” too.
The nurture & care of the boys should be Becky’s primary focus, not moving the
Command Ctr for example.
Re: Mr.T — I always get very irritated at LEOs who don’t take notes when interviewing potential witnesses. In such a big investigation, imo, an LEO should never count on his/her memory alone when he/she returns to the station. UGH!
34. Rose says:
May 26, 2012 at 9:35 pm
any adhd early teen lad is capable of harming a little sister as judgment is impaired and impulsivity unregulated, especially tired late at night.
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Rose, with all due respect, why would you make this statement? It simply is NOT true and further stigmatizes any adolescent that has ADHD. If it were true, we would have countless numbers of dead siblings all across America.
Hey ya’ll. From where I sit it would be next to impossible for this to be a stranger abduction. Doors locked, wall around yard, Sergio right next to Isa’s room, three barking dogs, etc…
Lots of vehicular coming and going the night of, people milling about, and activity around the Celis home, per owner of business who’s security tapes were taken by LE.
Justin, shoddy character, may or may not be involved. We know Becky’s brother was there very early on (Silverado truck). Becky’s timeline has changed… hinky. Sergio changed his opinion on the bedroom window being the point of entrance and exit. Why? Was he seen on the security tape removing the window screen?
IMO neither Sergio nor Becky are innocent in this however the two young boys are. Help was given by extended family (the search of the Silverado). IMO Isa’s disappearance is a removal of an injured or deceased Isa having resulted from familial abuse, or this is a staged kidnapping with an intended monetary goal, maybe even a combination of the two. I remember back to LE indicating this was an abduction, ie… a living Isa left the home. If this is a stranger abduction, why were both doors of the home locked?
This reminds me of Kyron’s case except with more family involvement in the actual coverup and disappearance. I’m angry for what has been done to these three children.
#50 – maybe one of the cameras positioned to see the Celis home can tell us who put these in the trunk? I can think of no reason to put them in a non-operational vehicle other than to hide them. You don’t suppose that something happened to Isa while in the shower??? BC said she braided her hair – did anyone confirm that ISA had showered or bathed after returned from the ball game?
http://www.lifetimemoms.com/buzz/q-john-walsh-crowd-sourcing-criminal-investigations
John walsh’ advice
@Rose
“any adhd early teen lad is capable of harming a little sister as judgment is impaired and impulsivity unregulated, especially tired late at night. I would agree with RC if the word “intentionally” were inserted.”
I’m co-signing in blood under Blink’s reply. I have adhd, had poor impulse control as a child/teen/young adult and am a recovering alcoholic (14 years of sobriety) and I have never been homicidal. Man, that’s a huge leap.
Respectfully,
Monkeybunny
34. Rose says:
May 26, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Rose,
Oh, goodness. Sorry if I sounded snippy when replying to your post, but I am feeling so protective of these boys right now that I had an immediate knee jerk reaction. Although what I posted is accurate, I apologize if it came off as personal. I think you have made and continue to make tremendous contributions here and I truly respect your right to post your opinions.
Grace
I wonder if the “dark, red brown” stain on the vinyl shower curtain could be hair colorant?
Kimberly–nicely wrought, but I have no idea why your having crow tonight. Try the other white meat!
@mosaic. That is a good question. It is not blood.
@Graceinthehills. I don’t know who replied I guess because I Thought it was Blink. Didn’t notice your name.
I Thought if my intent had been read correctly, she was quite right.
But, I did not make my intent clear late at night,
which I’m sure you understand.
I had been speaking generally. So I thought I’d clarify my own point of view. And snippy never bothers me; nothing taken personally. Frankly, if an LEO was asking the Mother that question in the first place, he was as competent as mcso and you know what that means to me.
(And to me, that question would lead me to lawyer up for my kids if not me.)
first wouldnt LE ask in the polys if adults remember how it got there?
Also, depends on testing & blood type
* new article with video *
Chief Villasenor: “We will find out”
Tucson Police hopes for that big break in the Celis case
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Officers have scoured every corner of the city, including the Los Reales landfill. And just last week the more than 550 pages of police reports show the tips have come in, but VIllasenor says the right person hasn’t called yet.
“It may be someone with this weighing on their conscience,” Villasenor said. “They may know something or know someone who does and they’re fighting the urge to call us. Stop fighting it and just call.”
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/154854365.html
May not be much to the shower curtain if we consider how useful it may be in some repair attempt of disabled vehicle. storing it in said vehicle makes sense to me. Call me a hillbilly but that was my first instinct.
geesh…sorry…already visited this I see…broke Blink rule #1
lol. Pass granted
B
@Graceinthehills. I see your post. I simply differ in general terms. I have abutted a school/community playground for 25 years. I have seen many accidents there where unimpaired lads, much less the hyperactive with self-regulation issues, UNintentionally injure same age or younger girls, or younger boys, and especially I have seen 10-13 yo boys unintentionally put in jeopardy or hurt 8 year old and younger boys and girls both.
Some of the boys, I have KNOWN and observed long enough to believe have or should have the diagnosis (and private school expulsions usually hit by intermediate school).
I have barred my girl when young from being outdoors at the same time with a couple slightly older boys guaranteed to hurt her due to having done so to her and others. they were good boys.
The 3 I mentioned earlier I worry about I have observed everymorning hanging out on my corner for 3 years being unintentionally provacative and pugnatious to peers (as adhd lads are unaware they can’t self regulate). When we left home today, my girl and I heard horrible shrieks from the slide, and I joked to my daughter it was the 9 year old twins with the 1 yo and no adult. I was joking but it was. God help her. I am afraid of her unstable father whom I witnessed threatening to fight other playground dads.
My add son when younger fractured his little sister’s wrist horribly, but it was wholly unintentional–just slamming a door too rapidly by impulse. I don’t feel AT ALL it is negative of me to say my son, or the 9 yos, or the 13 yo, or the many other neighbor lads on the playground who have had self-regulation cooperative-play troubles (adhd has jokingly been in the water in my town since the 60s), to say any of them could UNINTENTIONALLY harm a sister, because it’s an adult’s job to supervise, and because any young lad adhd or not could err due to age-expectable judgement.
SNIP>
Strangers are responsible for about one-half of elementary school abductions, and acquaintances, such as neighbors, family friends, and adult associates are responsible for the rest. For middle school children, however, strangers are the most frequent offenders. The offenders in these cases often have a history of previous sexual misconduct, impulsive
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_4_70/ai_75959748/pg_4/?tag=content;col1
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Just posting for all to read, very interesting read
Thank you, I apologize, I was referring to the initial complaints against Sergio Celis.
B
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I looked on the court case search for Pima justice courts where the citation is made, but there are no details as to who made the complaint. One thing I do know is that you cannot make an anonymous call for animal noise in Tucson. I had had enough of my neighbors (7!) dogs and finally decided I would follow through and give my name and file a formal complaint. Seems like it would be a neighbor of the Celis family who was sick of hearing the barking too who made the call.
BTW: when you make the report, you have to give the name and address of the person you are reporting, so whoever called knew Celis by name.
I have been wanting to add this about the wall around the Celis house and the idea that someone would have had to hoist Isa back over it in order to exit the house/yard. Ohhhh………the thought of it gives me chills..
I am quite sure that the wall goes around the perimeter of the entire house (minus garage) and does not “wall off” again at the sides of the house. I hope I am explaining this clearly. In the Southwest, everyone has a wall/fence around the back of the house to keep out critters–but, these walls generally start at the front sides of the house and make a fenced-in back yard area. I do not see the “fenced in sides” on the Celis house. It is kind of hard to get that close up on Google Maps. Can anyone confirm that the wall circles the perimeter of the entire house and does not “close off” the back yard from front yard?
So, my big, long “wall story” later, here’s my thought!
I think that even if someone did enter through the window or EXIT through bedroom window to avoid detection in the rest of the house, they exited the outside property with ease via the front yard. They simply walked through the yard and out that front exterior “door/gate” that provides the entrance into the fortress from the front. There is no need to climb any walls to get out of the back yard.
One more detail on the “door/gate” entrance from front of house. I have been to the house and the door looks like an antique Mexican door. It has a doorknob on it. It’s common here to have that look instead of a metal gate. Maybe it’s not antique, but it looks old and rustic. If it is old, I would say it probably doesn’t have a lock on it. However, there could have been a pad lock or similar installed on the top–I did not get close enough to observe that.
I know we ALWAYS lock the side gate to our back yard. But, some people might not do that as a habit. I did not see anywhere in the police reports that the police asked if the front gate was locked or not. I wonder if they have that info??
Is the hatchback still there or has it be quietly seized and impounded?
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drove by the house less than 2 weeks ago and the broken-down red Acura was still parked outside the house at that time.
IRT the shower curtain, all though I do find it odd to be in a non functioning car, if it truly was something of significance, I feel like it would have been “hidden” better than that. Meaning, if it could be some sort of evidence that would indicate SC or BC were involved in harming Isa, they would surely not hide it on their property, knowing that every inch of their property would be searched. Time could not be a factor (as far as I know) because SC was the one who initiated the first 911 call. I agree w/ Blink, I do not feel like it was blood, and I have no idea why it was there, but strongly feel like it would have been hidden hidden better (off property) if it had anything to do with Isa being gone. Then again, maybe one is not thinking so clearly when faced with that sort of situation….
Rose says:
May 27, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I myself wrestle right now on what to do with a neighbors’ boys (13, 10 yo twins) and little sister (12 mos?) whom ridiculous famous rich lobbyist attorney aggressive parents have take her to the park/slide in front of my home without an adult. All 3 boys should be diagnosed if they arent. 13 yr old runs off to beat up younger boys while the 10 yos are putting this girl up on monkeys bars, down the slide alone, etc.
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Rose, if I were you, I’d call the police and/or CPS every single time you see this. Just my opinion. Some people are just nuts.
More of my babbling on about the perimter wall!
Got a better view with Google Maps. There is NOT side block-off with a wall on the one side of the house. As for the other side (and the side which I believe is next to Isa’s bedroom), it is a WOODEN fence; not stucco wall. Seems doubtful anyone could avoid making a snap, crackle, and pop climbing that fence–not to mention an “ouch” when its pointy tops stabbed the perp in the behind……IMO, that would have alerted Dad to get off the couch and see what the noise was. And, it seems doubtful to me that a stranger would dart around looking for an exit out of the other side of the yard (having to walk ALL THE WAY around to the other side of the house to get to front yard and out of address). Much too risky for being heard if he doesn’t know how to get out of there.
IMO, even if “Daddy dearest” or the cousin-uncle did use the window as an exit (and, I don’t really buy that theory), they knew exactly how to get out of that yard…and on their tip-toes.You’d just have to know your way around and out if you were going to be quiet enough to exit the property from the outside, imo.
This is an interesting article pertaining to CPS.
http://www.chron.com/news/kilday-hart/article/Hart-Voluntary-CPS-plan-has-some-parents-3587923.php
Since they have released non case sensitive information are we to take it that the pillows and shower curtain found in the non operational car are of no significant value to the case??
in the timeline, wouldn’t testing on bloodstain in bedroom and on car objects have come back before Sergio was barred from sons May 17? I think some kind of physical evidence was necessary to achieve that separation
The field tests were conducted onsite, so they were, however, the blood typing and DNA have not been released.
B
Hi all,
I am new to this site. I was wondering what everyone thought about Isa’s brother’s comment, when asked by the woman if she could help in finding Isa, “no, no she won’t be found”. It is in the PDF’s released by the media. I will find which page and which PDF.
Why would he make a comment like that unless he knew she wouldn’t be found? Did he see something? Was Sergio removed from the children because he was stopping the children from talking?
pueblodweller says:
May 27, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Is the hatchback still there or has it be quietly seized and impounded?
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drove by the house less than 2 weeks ago and the broken-down red Acura was still parked outside the house at that time.
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Interesting, pueblodweller. It would seem to me if was part of the crime scene it would have been taken by LE. So glad you are local and can report these little details. I’m thinking it had nothing to do with the disappearance.
It was part of the crime scene in that a warrant for it’s search and processing was issued, but tests within the car did not produce any field findings that would cause it to be impounded as evidence.
I do not know if the same is true about the corolla, however.
B
Here is the PDF regarding the meeting with the brother at the park while he was crying looking for Isa.
http://www.kpho.com/link/563536/pdf-celis-5-allegations-of-owed-money-evidence-from-home
Does anyone think that Sergio made his son go out to look for Isa to make it look like she was taken from the home and maybe her brother did this for his father even though he knew she wasn’t taken?
Sorry. I misquoted the brother. He said, when asked if he wanted help finding his sister, “no, no, I don’t think we’ll find her”.
Susie- thanks for the edit, as I was just about to. Sergio Jr was just about to make a 911 call via a passerby in a truck where it is clear he is despondent- I personally did not attach anything other than that to his comment, fwiw.
Welcome to BOC, I checked, you are the only Susie.
B