Isabel Celis Breaking News: Child Services Removes Sons From Sergio Celis Care and Placed With Mother
In the latest development in the April 21st disappearance of missing Tucson child Isabel Celis, her father Sergio has been stripped of his physical custodial rights of her brothers.
There has been no confirmation from Tucson Police about the children’s removal and placement, and CPS has only confirmed the boys have been placed with one parent.
Sources inside the investigation have confirmed to www.blinkoncrime.com that evidence gleaned in the investigation has warranted alternative placement of the couples oldest children in the wake of the disappearance of their daughter, Isabel.
The boys, whose names have been reported previously elsewhere but are being intentionally withheld by www.blinkoncrime.com have been placed together, not separately.
Check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for details.
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34. nana2 says:
May 13, 2012 at 12:06 pm
When Sergio talked about “how Isa was getting her hair braided, she walked by him & he asked her if she was hungry (pp)” it almost sounded like he was observing from a distance using a handheld device as opposed to being in the same room with her.. iPhones & iPads have that face to face capability for chats..
If the baseball game broke up around 10:00pm according to witnesses & Sergio stayed around to clean up etc then I wonder how he could have done the cleanup detail, drove home & have seen her get her hair braided, have the conversation with her & then meet the 11:00pm bedtime.. Balloon Boy story was my first thought on this because neither parent appears to be outwardly concerned about this child’s current safety & whereabouts.
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Hi Nana, so good to see you posting!
I don’t know what to think about SC anymore. Imho, it sounded like he was in the room with Isa when he described last seeing her. Who knows what the actual timeline was that night? LE is keeping their cards close to their collective chest.
If it is a hoax, I will be surprised, and very few things surprise me. That said, I do sense something is going on behind the scenes, whether it be by design or happenstance.
Judging from Isa’s mother’s reactions, I sense the word hoax is not in her vocabulary regarding her missing daughter. In her public appearances, she holds it together for awhile, then the panic rises in her and becomes palpable. I don’t think she has a clue as to what happened to her daughter.
Here is another one from Friday. Don’t they sound a bit casual for a mother with a missing 6 year old daughter?
Good food, good cause. Let’s eat and bring Isa home.http://www.facebook.com/events/319485718120164/May 11 at Boston Market on Grant, near Tanque Verde
Share · Friday at 12:56pm via BlackBerry Rebecca Celis
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1492540
There’s some interesting comments/thoughts on this website, in case anyone is interested, including the criminal charges. Not saying there’s any connection to what’s happening now, just saying its been reported widely in the news about the old charges and its in police records. Easy to google info these days.
Donnie says:
May 13, 2012 at 11:17 am
@ Littlefish
I suppose that could be possible, but do you think the nun would know the address, little Isa’s height, weight, eye color and what time she went to bed. And also, she would have had to know the the mom was in route.
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I agree, Donnie. Sounds like a rumor to me. Nowadays, nuns go by many different titles – including “Doctor.” Imo, a nun would likely identify herself by her first and last name, leaving out “Sister” unless, of course, she is in the classroom.
#46. Could it be that he holds “the male sex” in higher regard than female?
Not that I agree with this theory. I thnk that ISA saw or heard something that SC did not want her to repeat. It, also, appears that her brothers were protecting her, why?
I think if a nun made the call, she would have made it clear who she was…that is a pretty ridiculous piece of rumor, in my opinion…JMO
wpg says:
May 13, 2012 at 6:38 pm
“Thx wpg (words per gallon?)”
lol! Is this a hint that I write too much? (no one answer that!)
xoxo’s
ROTFL. Definitely not
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Lol! I kindly and respectfully always thought that WPG stood for “Word Pro Girl”!??? Sorry for the OT but I always wonder what the posting name means or stands for. Just my nosey way!
Thank you, Valhall is opting out of the blogosphere for personal reasons, but she is fine.
B
Anyone else believe this may be an attempt to seperate the boys from the father to get certain info. not able to be obtained with the father closely guarding the boys?
fyi
http://m.facebook.com/pages/Find-Isabel-Celis/213922955393861?id=213922955393861&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fblinkoncrime.com%2F2012%2F05%2F11%2Fisabel-celis-breaking-news-child-services-removes-sons-from-sergio-celis-care-and-placed-with-becky-celis-and-relative%2Fcomment-page-2%2F&_rdr#!/profile.php?id=213922955393861&v=info&refid=17&_ft_=fbid.213925245393632
In the very first interview, I didn’t want to comment on my feelings about it then, but now I will. Sergio says something like *just look at her, she’s so beautiful*. IDK, but when I was watching that, it gave me the creeps. It did not sound like he was talking about a little girl. That’s all. JMO, just sent chills up my arms. I hope I’m wrong.
Cindy, I did not find it odd that Isa sometimes slept with her brothers. Nor, do I automatically assume her doing so was to protect herself from something nefarious or abusive going on. I have one sister and two brothers, each of us less than two years apart. When we were youngsters and ranged in age from five to eleven years we lived in a very big, older home with multiple floors and bedrooms (and a scary attic). It was not at all unusual for us to crawl into bed with our brothers (or they with us) when we were spooked by noises such as squeaky wooden floors. We did this more often than not for a few years, and now look back fondly on those memories. The fact that my sister and I were somnambulists made things really interesting! The bottom line is that we felt threatened by no one but the ghosts who lived in our imaginations.
Prayers for Isa and all who love her.
@Blink. My reasoning has hit the wall. .To summarize your take was H or an abduction as family outlined, but it’s evolved to H or a non-stranger related disappearance with family fabricating some or all of the story,
but BS had no advance knowledge. Is that it? If it’s nonstranger, that means there is a known collaborator?
a young girl generates a lot more sympathy than an older boy.
And an older boy could defend himself. And her
bed was by the window and she slept alone.
SH says:
May 13, 2012 at 6:46 pm
How can you go to work when your little girl, is missing?
My question is how can she sleep at night?
Beth Holloway seemed to be everywhere, all the time, looking for her
child. She appeared to have sacrificed everything, for justice
and a peaceful conclusion. She did not sleep until she got answers.
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SH, I don’t think I could sleep or work either, but they may really need the money. Beth Halloway had more financial resources, if I remember correctly. If the mom is looking at the practical side of things at this point, like that there is no money coming in, she may see the need to work.
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GraceintheHills says:
May 13, 2012 at 9:02 pm
I agree, Donnie. Sounds like a rumor to me. Nowadays, nuns go by many different titles – including “Doctor.” Imo, a nun would likely identify herself by her first and last name, leaving out “Sister” unless, of course, she is in the classroom.
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It really depends on the order the nun is in. There are many nuns my family has met and they all still go by “Sister”. Just a thought.
Does the school have nuns teaching there?
Happy Mom’s day Blink!!! It’s still Sunday on the west coast….
After talking with my boyfriend about this case, I had to wonder: what does LE know, and what was the family dynamic prior to Isabel’s disappearance? JMO
Off topic Blink.
In a post many moons back, I thought that you may have mentioned that you and Val from hinkymeter were acquaintances. Her site just disappeared without warning. Do you know if she is okay?
She’s fine Starsky.
B
@ Katy.
You cannot do that, it is likely illegal in your area if you can believe it. You need to speak with le on the issue and if I were you, consult counsel.
@rose
Not following your question.
@Blink. I answered the part that meant to ask “what does nonstranger mean?” by reading this
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/child_abduction/4.html
I wondered if you meant a family system member or a friend but you also included
someone in the community who’d seen Isabel in one of her settings?
Also do you mean it is likely the family fabricated the window exit?
Also have you changed from thinking its a H or the unknown perp abduction the family described
TO H or a nonstranger abduction the family has not described?
Rose- the only thing I feel comfortable speculating about in this case right now is this:
If Isabel was abducted, and for me, right now, that is a UGE (jersey for huge) “IF”, it was not random, and it was not through her window.
I am reeling at the no contact and removal to a now “bio mom”??
This was orchestrated by detectives based on something they learned that would compromise the safety of the boys to this extent?
That can be only two things, in my mind: they are victims of something or witnesses to something.
B
@Katy. They can’t separate a family on a pretext for that purpose. Imo there’s something “significant” there as LE says. Though, LE’s driving the car because press is full of local cps incompetence in last decade.
Rose says
“. . . And her bed was by the window”
Rose! That’s right, I remember seeing that when the HLN camera zoomed in on the window during the neighbor’s interview!
Sooooo, how long has her bed been there, was it moved recently?
Was it perhaps part of a staging like perhaps the removal of the screen if by all appearances the screen was likely removed from the inside?
Just speculating as usual, but when LE took 3 family members into the home individually, they could have been asked about the placement of the furniture in Isa’s room.
On the other hand, if Isa’s bed has been by the window for some time, then someone who has sight access from the outside could have known this was her room, especially in the evening with a light on in the room.
Another question . . . did any one, any of the neighbors, notice a light coming from that window any time that night or overnight?
And would the infrared Morris camera be able to pick up a light source coming from the direction of Isa’s window?
Rose, ya got me going now.
Apparently the two sons are not Becky’s. They were turned over to their bio mom who is the dad’s exwife
http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons
I have to say, this one has me on the floor. I got the placed with Mom thing right- and you would that factoid would have come up during the interviews.
I am so entirely uncomfortable with this whole mess.
B
you have to have a lot of evidence to have enough to remove children from one parent. basically, the police and cps would have to be able to convince a judge that the boys are at imminent risk of serious danger/bodily harm, etc.. if they are with their father. i believe “imminent risk” is a key word here. At least in PA that’s one of the things we have to be able to show a judge when I worked in this field.
Yes, one article just said “ex-wife”.
How does that fit with date of Becky marriage?
that’s the article I read. Isn’t it possible this reporter got the characterization of Becky wrong because they’ve now separated? Yesterday it was said she went back to the house to get things for her sons. .
Yes, possible, I changed the title of the article to Mother because now that it has been stated that LE compelled this citing safety concerns, either way I don’t like it.
B
Well, that would explain Sergio added “MY son” when the parents were asked who Isabel was closest to.
It didn’t come up Blink, because no one asked about the parentage of the boys . . . the reporters’ focus was naturally on Isabel. No way were Sergeo and Rebecca going to offer up that.
“Go for it” . . . the media obviously took on that challenge.
How is it that Sergio had custody of the boys in the first place . . . did he just TAKE them? – - – or did the biological mother live with them?
Right now, my sources are scratching collective heads on this as we speak. I can tell you their are people close to them that did not know the boys were not Becky’s biologically.
B
I can see “ex-wife” being a boo-boo interpretation, but “the biological mother” not so much a mistake. jmo.
Agreed
B
I’m thinking that this is just a false report and the TV station got it wrong. Maybe because they’re no longer living together, they assumed Becky was an ex-wife? If they say returned to bio-mom…why didn’t they say who bio-mom was? If they didn’t want to release bio-mom’s name…they should have said so so we knew for sure that they weren’t referring to Becky.
I am about 60% and growing it is wrong.
B
Hypothetically, if a mother whose ex-husband either lied and ACTED his way out to get legal custody of her/their sons, OR THREATENED HER BY THREATENING THE SONS and took her/their sons, what might she do if she were in a desperate state and felt no other option?
In this theory, Isabel could be safe and taken care of.
@ Elizabeth says:
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4 hours ago via BlackBerry · Rebecca Celis
Interesting so they do use UTD technology to communicate. Still wonder if SC was using a handheld device the night of his conversation with Isa about her hair, sleepy look, hungry etc. as opposed to standing next to her as he claims ..
Again, hypothetically, if a man TOOK AWAY his sons once, he could do it again.
@ GraceintheHills
Hi to you too & I hope all is well with you.. I usually stay in the background & read & on this case I have so many questions/comments etc I would get Carpal Tunnel typing them all.. I will say if SC has an ex spouse someone in that family makes good money because according to the Pima County tax appraiser site their house was not cheap..
Okay, the cbs article just changed, updated – - the bio-mom/ex-wife stuff has been removed.
http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons
Thanks WPG. Cheese and Rice- seriously.
B
Woops, went in order- still post worthy I believe.
B
@ wpg says:
May 14, 2012 at 10:48 am
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Well, that would explain Sergio added “MY son” when the parents were asked who Isabel was closest to.
Even more interesting that he automatically used the singular form “my son” as opposed to the plural form since he has two sons..
22. Charlotte says:
May 14, 2012 at 9:27 am
Apparently the two sons are not Becky’s. They were turned over to their bio mom who is the dad’s exwife
http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons
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Hi all. It looks like the article has been edited. I think it was a reporting error.
There is nothing in the KPHO story cited here that says anything about an “Ex-wife.” At least, I cannot find the reference. I have read Rebeccas Celis’ FB wall and in it there’s a place she comments about her “baby” becoming a teenager (oldest boy) onhis birthday. There is just way too much love and intimacy expressed on Rebecca Celis’ FB for me to believe the “Ex-wife” reference in anything other than an inexcusable jounalistic mistake. If it does prove true, it will be yet another wild twist to this already strange case.
They fixed it, and you are right about inexcusable. It was up all Mother’s Day weekend no less.
Absolutely, and without delay a correction should be posted and apology for such misinformation- isnt this case bad enough?
B
Off topic:
Just saw a comment from Val on another blog & a cache on Google of her last HinkyMeter message & I’m glad she is finally taking care of “herself”.. Sometimes people forget there are real people behind the blogs & pc screens.. Good health & happiness to Val..
CBS is citing KPHO as the source for their copy on this. How sloppy!
http://m.cbsnews.com/fullstory.rbml?catid=57433616&feed_id=999&videofeed=999
If KPHO editor didn’t fact check, and is wrong, he’s got splaining to do to national (lazy) media.
He is wrong and that is a whopper.
I will say that if a BOC editor missed that in the fact checking they would not be a BOC editor. Then again, I am a control freak OCD when it comes to that so without a name and birth certs I would never have published that. I really feel for Becky Celis on this one.
B
nana2,
He singled out one son not only at the local presser, but also on NBC national, and neither sat well with me at all.
Speculating again . . . possible intimidation or attempting to imply and divert.
The weird thing for me is I (incorrectly) picked on the first day of the case that the older boys were Sergio’s from another marriage….hmm
What to make of SC and RC DUIs–professional, healthcare folks make mistakes, too, but records show SC was in a mess o’ trouble and RC had a child in the car.
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1492540
They were both dismissed, so to be fair, I can’t say.
B
Upon looking at some public records again, some things about the real estate transactions of the Celises “do not add up.” This, in combination with the beingisahome.com Web page that as of last week was reported to have earned nearly $18K (KVOA-Tucson,is making me suspicious abot a financial motivation here:
The public record shows a foreclosure on a property in Rita Ranch (Tucson) in 2009 and another reals estate puurchase in 2006 (the current celis home on 12th street). Both these properties were owned by the Celis from 2006-2009, totalling a real estate transaction price of $600K. See Pima County Recorders Office. The “Daily Territorial” (“search public notices”) will also show the details of the foreclosure and the fact that the Rita Ranch property did indeed go to a trustee’s sale. IMO, 600K worth of real estate purchases requires an income that would exceed that of a nurse and her medical assistant husband. Of course, maybe they had saved a huge down payment–maybe someone gave them money–maybe they had zero other debt and could actually squeeze 600K out of the bank on those mortgages. Maybe–Maybe–maybe, IMO. I’m just saying that the “money trail” that leads to this kind of purchase is puzzling, IMO. Imo, anyone who is local knows that big houses with big price tags in non-desirable parts of town like the Celis’ hood make people say “hmmmm.” Clearly, they could not handle both those mortgages since they let one go to foreclosure. In addition, the current house has been in danger of going into foreclosure proceedings on two occassions (see Pima County Recorder recorder search for “sergio or Rebeccas Celis.”)
When I look at this obvious financial strain and the current Web Site that is making money off this tragedy “for the family,” it is all tied up in money problems, IMO. Money problems, desperate choices, balloon boy—IMO, the financial angle is one that cannot be overlooked. And, besides, who talks about a missing child in such a non-chalant way if you really believe that some monster stole her away in the night?! It would be a blessing if this was a hoax motivated by financial gain–I can only hope and like Sergio says, “PRAY” this is so…..
I mentioned this early, specifically, the significantly overpriced “fortress” E 12th st property in that area.
God I hated that Balloon Boy fiasco- I knew immediately it was absolutely fake, and it was shameful. That said, if it meant this little girl is alive and well, I would hope this is a hoax.
B
@wpg
Well I don’t think the one son comment was a slip of the tongue, perhaps a dig at someone(?).. I’m still hanging on to the “LE only brought the older son back to home for the re-enactment” issue.. That bothered me that day & still does.. I wonder if when both boys were questioned by LE the younger son gave up some info unintentionally just like the Balloon Boy did.. Children will be children as I recall.. Just speculating too..
Video of Becky speaking of Isa on Mothers Day. I think she comes from the “heart”.
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151330675.html
http://www.myfoxal.com/story/18369703/mother-of-isabel-celis-deals-with-tragedy-on-motherss-day
(snipped)
Isabel Celis’ mother, Rebecca, was at the family’s home near Broadway and Craycroft on Sunday afternoon to collect items for her sons and check on the house.
Rebecca Celis says walking in the house reminders her that her 6-year-old daughter’s whereabouts remain unknown.
She posted well wishes on her Facebook reading “happy mothers day to all the mamas and god bless you and your families.”
It’s been more than three weeks since Isabel was reported missing, allegedly snatched from her home.
Friday, Tucson Police told Tucson News Now that Isabel’s two older brothers are staying with one parent, and the arrangement is a safety measure. Police would not say which parent has custody of the boys.
Rebecca Celis was unwilling to discuss the matter but described how her sons are feeling in the absence of their little sister.
“They’re having a hard time. A really hard time,” she said Sunday. “They want to be home, they want to be with their sister. They want us to be together as a family and not having her here is just breaking them up.”
(more @ link)
@ pueblodweller says:
May 14, 2012 at 12:23 pm
When you look at the taxes on the current home which were paid out of escrow by the lien holder they total around $ 4500.00 for the year & are current.. That amounts to about $ 375.00 a month just for the taxes, then you need to add the principal & interest to that just to turn the key on the home.. Then there are utilities, upkeep & food for 5 people, not too mention the communication toys like a Blackberry (for how many people).. I guess they must have 2 cars also since SC went home from the baseball game by himself (?).. IDK just thinking out loud again.. Electronic toys expensive to keep up monthly..
first-time says:
May 14, 2012 at 11:42 am
22. Charlotte says:
May 14, 2012 at 9:27 am
Apparently the two sons are not Becky’s. They were turned over to their bio mom who is the dad’s exwife
http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons
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Hi all. It looks like the article has been edited. I think it was a reporting error.
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Reporting error or perhaps released too soon without permission from LE ?
Reporting error.
B
LaurieO says:
May 14, 2012 at 1:03 am
SH says:
May 13, 2012 at 6:46 pm
How can you go to work when your little girl, is missing?
My question is how can she sleep at night?
Beth Holloway seemed to be everywhere, all the time, looking for her
child. She appeared to have sacrificed everything, for justice
and a peaceful conclusion. She did not sleep until she got answers.
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SH, I don’t think I could sleep or work either, but they may really need the money. Beth Halloway had more financial resources, if I remember correctly. If the mom is looking at the practical side of things at this point, like that there is no money coming in, she may see the need to work.
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GraceintheHills says:
May 13, 2012 at 9:02 pm
I agree, Donnie. Sounds like a rumor to me. Nowadays, nuns go by many different titles – including “Doctor.” Imo, a nun would likely identify herself by her first and last name, leaving out “Sister” unless, of course, she is in the classroom.
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It really depends on the order the nun is in. There are many nuns my family has met and they all still go by “Sister”. Just a thought.
Does the school have nuns teaching there?
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Hi LaurieO, I am familiar with the various Orders of Catholic nuns. My feeling is that if a nun were making a 911 call, she would likely use her name, then mention she’s a nun— but, my point was that I think this is a ridiculous rumor. The victim is often called the complainant, so if the older brother called 911, the “sister” in question would be the complainant, Isa. Gosh, I just wish we could get a break in this case. I can”t even begin to imagine how hard Mother’s Day was for Becky.
(snipped, more @ link)
“In the course of the continuing investigation into the disappearance of six year-old Isabel Celis, the Tucson Police Department has been in contact with Child Protective Services (CPS).
Recently, detectives became aware of information regarding the welfare of the older Celis children. That information was shared with CPS for their consideration and determination relating to this investigation. Yesterday, CPS personnel responded to police headquarters to consult with detectives as well as the family. Subsequent to their assessment, CPS instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare of the Celis children. It needs to be stressed that is common practice for CPS to become involved in investigations regarding missing children.
However, in keeping with our commitment to keep members of the media and our community informed of changes or developments in this investigation, we felt it important to advise you of the increased involvement of CPS.
Finally, because of the sensitive nature of this investigation, we will not be providing any additional information on this situation at this time.”
Tucson Police tell News 4 the parents are living separately because of this and one of the parents is not allowed any kind of contact.
http://www.kvoa.com/news/cps-involved-in-celis-case/
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No contact at all? I wonder if this has more to do with making sure someone isn’t influencing the memory of someone else.
2 things:
1. In no way would that be enough to strip custody and deny any contact. While it would be a concern, it would not constitute a threat to the safety or continued well being. I cannot even imagine a parent agreeing to that without a hearing- especially if they were coaching.
2. If he was coaching, why would he need to?
LE developed a tie DIRECTLY with a perceived threat to the safety of the Celis boys and the investigation and likely criminal matter of the disappearance of Isabel Celis.
No way around it. He is a suspect in the instant case, or a suspect of some form of criminal activity.
I have more family attorney friends then one should, lol, but all agree this is an extraordinary measure.
B
I mentioned this early, specifically, the significantly overpriced “fortress” E 12th st property in that area.
God I hated that Balloon Boy fiasco- I knew immediately it was absolutely fake, and it was shameful. That said, if it meant this little girl is alive and well, I would hope this is a hoax.
B
Blink-
I have seen so many mis-quotes of the size of the house (being smaller). . .followed by people’s justification of the Celis’income/home size ratio.
The Pima County Assessor’s office records the size of the Celis’ mid-town fortress at 3802 square feet— in a neighborhood of houses built in the 1950s with average assessd values (Pima County Assessor tax records) of $90K. However, there are two houses (the Celis home and the next door neighboor 5601 and 5602 12th Street) that were built in 2005, about 3800 square feet each, identical or near identical architecture: one listed as “sold” at $435K and the other listed as “sold” at $83500. IMO, 1)there’s likely a connection between the transactions, 2)the transactions make no sense in terms of “sale” prices, 3)we are close to Mexico……….makes the locals say “oooooohhhhhhh, now we’re painting a picture.” IMO, there is something connecting the dollar signs and, IMO, the real estate transactions are at least two of the “dots” that connect a financially-questionable picture. How “the road is actually paved” is still a puzzle to me.
If this crime was motivated by a need for financial gain and this child is found alive and well, it will be a great day–and a worthy lesson learned for the people of this community who have given so freely and generously,IMO. I will now make a hoax scenario and a safe return of Isabel Celis my sincere prayer (no sarcasm there).