Isabel Celis Breaking News: Child Services Removes Sons From Sergio Celis Care and Placed With Mother
In the latest development in the April 21st disappearance of missing Tucson child Isabel Celis, her father Sergio has been stripped of his physical custodial rights of her brothers.
There has been no confirmation from Tucson Police about the children’s removal and placement, and CPS has only confirmed the boys have been placed with one parent.
Sources inside the investigation have confirmed to www.blinkoncrime.com that evidence gleaned in the investigation has warranted alternative placement of the couples oldest children in the wake of the disappearance of their daughter, Isabel.
The boys, whose names have been reported previously elsewhere but are being intentionally withheld by www.blinkoncrime.com have been placed together, not separately.
Check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for details.
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There appears to be some problem ID’ing what Isabel was wearing.
From the Tuscon Police press release dated April 21:
“Isabel has been described as a light-skinned Caucasian or Hispanic 6-year old female. She is 44” tall and weighs approximately 44 pounds. Her hair is light brown and her eyes are hazel in color. She was last seen with her hair braided into two long braids. She is missing two of her front teeth, one on the upper row of teeth and one on the bottom row of teeth.
There is no information available regarding what she was wearing at the time of her disappearance.”
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Can’t link direct to the document . . . the pdf file with the entire media release can be found here:
http://cms3.tucsonaz.gov/police/media-releases
Has any of the video surveillance from many sources been able to detect if anyone was near that window at approx. 6:30 Saturday morning?
Neighbor says voices, but what about the cameras?
Blink, do you know who made the initial 911 call that got handed off to the son and can you tell us? Was it in fact one of the neighbors?
Unconfirmed it was a business manager of an establishment Sergio Jr entered asking if they had seen her/heard anything.
That poor child, tears me up.
B
So . . . either the dispatcher who updated was wrong and/or LE has redacted a portion of the 911 calls regarding Isa’s clothing description for some reason.
And to add, the 911 operator was remiss then also by not asking what color Isa’s top was?
I mean the 911 operator who spoke to Jr and Rebecca.
Seems like a standard pertinent question to ask what color an item of clothing is for a missing person, child.
I think I’ll go with LE redacting a portion of the 911 calls and that LE knows what they’re doing by releasing the audio just yesterday . . . on the heels of the barring of Sergio from his sons announcement.
“Get your butt home” is a harsh thing to say to your wife when she’s just been told that her daughter is missing. That sounds angry, maybe even accusatory to me…….. like he is somehow blaming RC for Isabel’s disappearance.
Coupled with the “she just got home and she is hysterical” and he is cool- I can tell you that sounded odd to me
B
Don’t know about the older boys. Local person says Sergio Celis is the STEP FATHER of Isabel.
He is the bio father of all three children.
B
In the spanish language you would use the word “claros,” which in english means clear, to describe light colored eyes. So the direct translation from spanish to english sounds odd, but he meant “light colored”.
Thanks mosaic, I appreciate that clarification.
B
Could Sergio have been under the influence of drugs when he made that call? He sounds so non-chalant, it’s very bizarre.
LE just search a wash not far from the park where the family was at the game the night before she disappeared. Don’t know what if anything they found…
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18427472/police-searching-wash-for-evidence-in-isabel-celis-case
I am having a very bad feeling today, just awful.
B
SC’s 911 call seems like he’s in disbelief about Isabel really being abducted.
So I guess he called Becky before calling 911, probably to check with mom to make sure she didn’t have her for some reason. He finds out mom doesn’t have her. He tells mom to “get her butt home.” He sends Jr. out to start searching the neighborhood. Meanwhile he calls 911….with a demeanor that seems overly calm, maybe even somewhat annoyed, but certainly not with the expected fear/hysteria a parent would have if they REALLY believed a stranger had their child. It almost seemed like he called 911 to humor Becky or because it was the appropriate thing to do. He didn’t seem to believe his own statement that she had been abducted. BUT….if he was responsible for her disappearance, wouldn’t he have put on more of an act with his 911 call (at least pretending like he was distraught and worried)? Instead he’s so non-chalant about the whole thing, he makes himself look bad. Seems like he would have faked some emotions with the 911 operator if he was really trying to pull one over on LE. Don’t get me wrong, I DO think he’s probably guilty of something; I’m just not sure what it is yet.
34. Courtnog says:
May 15, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Just a thought. My husband is a social worker now working for CPS. Something he mentioned once is that many times if someone is on certain anti-depressants and other medications, it makes them come off as “flat” or “emotionless.” Maybe SC is taking medication and/or some other substance that causes this kind of reaction.
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Hi Courtnog, please don’t be offended by this, but in keeping with BOC also being a “teaching” blog, your husband’s statement about medications and flattening of affect is inaccurate. There are no antidepressants currently on the market that make one’s affect (facial expression) “flat” or “emotionless”. The older antipsychotic medication could produce a flattening of a patient’s affect, but so can psychotic illnesses. I am definitely not suggesting SC is mentally ill, just clearing up a very common misconception about psychotropic medication.
I was hoping you would pick this up, thank you Grace.
I do believe some medications can affect demeanor, speech, etc, ( I am not an MD or Pharmacist, but I have launched a few meds in my former career so I have presented in front of the FDA) but having seen Sergio on camera a few times and now heard his reaction on the phone to a highly stressful situation, I am not getting the sense that his issues are “medically reactive” in nature.
B
Cheese & crackers got all muddy! (Ever hear that one Blink?)
“Get your butt home”, I seriously doubt he actually said that to his wife, but he in saying that to the dispatcher, is TRYING TO BE FUNNY. Hence, he laughs at his own joke. Totally out of whack here. Maybe just me, but he also seems to have a hard time saying the word “daughter”. “A child is missing”. WTH?, it’s your daughter Sergio! Then when he’s asked how tall she is and he gives his wife’s height? That was really weird as well. AMOO
A while back, before the Celis’ did the local interview, on one of the Find Isabel site, I read, next to one of Isa’s photos, comments from a woman who said she was Isa’s aunt . . . Citlali Lopez.
She described Isa being a girlie-girl, doing nails, the make-up, and how she loved clothes and would change multiple times a day.
Rebecca in the local interview said pretty much all the same things in describing Isa, except she did not mention anything about clothes.
She sounded like she was about to say something, but stopped and said something else . . . says “loves to put…” and then nothing to finish that thought.
I would give a link to the aunt’s comments, but the comments are gone.
Yep. Something sensitive about Isa’s clothing, imo.
desertbunnee and Blink,
Oh no.
Oh please no.
Let’s hope I am wrong.
B
RE the clothing, SC states the night before she was wearing “little navy blue shorts” and a “pink little tank top type of shirt”.
HOWEVER, he goes on to say that when they got home, “Everyone took their showers and they went to bed”
I am going to go out on a limb here and say that IC did not put the same clothes back on after her shower. SO, who saw her AFTER her shower?? Who did she shower with? My 8 yr old daughter who has very similar hair to IC(length) is just now getting to a point where she can wash her own hair thoroughly. Did anyone “tuck her in”? If she slept with her brothers, they should have an “update” on her clothing wouldnt you think?
The fact that he answers the question, “Do you remember what she was wearing last night when you SAW her?” with: “Uh, before she went to bed I believe…” is alarming to me. I believe he is answering truthfully, and that the last time he “saw” her, she was not fresh out of a shower because that did not happen.
Sorry Blink, here is the link:
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151452855.html
Kris says:
May 15, 2012 at 4:24 pm
SC’s 911 call seems like he’s in disbelief about Isabel really being abducted.
So I guess he called Becky before calling 911, probably to check with mom to make sure she didn’t have her for some reason….
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Kris – those are my thoughts exactly. When I try to put myself in Sergio’s shoes that day – I think my first thoughts would be that my child walked out of the house alone, went with mom, went with X, was hiding. I may be able to remain calm because I’m not sure abduction would be at the top of the list. But he does say to the dispatcher that he believes she may have been abducted….so it cuts both ways.
This is such a strange case. I am still struggling to understand the family structure. Did both parents and their three bio children live together under one roof before this nightmare started? Sorry if this has already been explained. I can’t find it.
Yes twink.
B
Like so many of you, I wanna know more about “Uncle Justin”. When was he called? How did he get there so quickly? Was he already there for some reason (like maybe going to the baseball game with them)? Was he there the night before? Did he come over that morning to smoke with dad?….. which might explain why dad sounded so calm on the 911 call. What’s his role in all this? So many unanswered questions.
I had to kinda chuckle at the reporter’s description of the newest search area, as he’s pointing to “thick underbrush”. He’s obviously never lived in Oregon, we’d call that traces of scattered weeds in the desert.
NO chuckling aloud.
Kidding, I had to break the tension here for a moment. If only for myself. I can feel that familiar gag building and I hate it.
B
Graceinthehills,
I know someone that takes lamictal for a seizure disorder and,as I understand it, this medication is also used for manic-depressive disorder. They are trying to lower his dose because it sure does make him “flat”. From his face to his voice. Just a change of 50mg has made a huge difference so, I believe that a medication could for sure change someone’s affect.
Not to say that this is the case here but, a possibility.
Katie- I edited your post because I can tell you Grace would have been concerned with the identifying information you provided (being intentionally vague)
B
Blink, Thank you for looking out for me!
What I found interesting is that the son sounded totally *convinced* that Isa had been abducted. One would think that Sergio, especially in his apparent calm state, would have been assuring his sons that Isa was probably just lost, or hiding or had walked to a friends house or relative’s house, and to stay calm. That appears not to be the case, it appears we have an extremely calm Sergio, but somehow, the rest of the family is thinking the worst. Maybe because Sergio, first one up and out of bed to check on Isa, lead them to believe that? If so, his demeanor on the phone doesn’t match his suggested scenario. IDK, it’s just curious.
“If she slept with her brothers, they should have an “update” on her clothing wouldnt you think?”
Slowroller,
Yes, you’re right!
America’s Most Wanted says a blue tank top, but I don’t know where they got that info from. I can’t find anything from LE. Nothing, nada.
Blink,
The possibility of a h_ _x isn’t looking too strong now.
I know how you’re feeling – - my heart is in my throat.
I still can’t get beyond Sergio “chuckling” during his 911 call
…I know that everyone responds differently to grief/fear ….and after all, Susan Smith did a great performance as the hysterical mother …but there is something really weird here ….
Also stating that he told the mother to “get her butt back here” …I beg your pardon, but this in my mind is really stretching credulity.
This – plus now not being able to see or talk with his sons …I’ve got a real bad feeling. I pray that I am wrong …but I fear that this is going to end in tragedy.
I wonder if the confusion on the tank top stems from the Old Navy description which may have been heard by some as an old, navy (as in blue) tank.
I don’t think my father would think of the store but would assume the tank was dark blue.
WTH? They are searching for evidence in a wash area. It seems that it is pretty close to their home. No one seems to know, did the uncle spend the night at the Celis home? Where is his home in relationship to theirs?
@Graceinthehills and Katie,
No offense taken. I may have misunderstood my husband or he may have been referring to the older anti-depressant medication. Either way, we were not talking about it in regards to this case. I just mentioned it more in accordance with Katie’s post that certain medications and/or substances (not speaking specifically to anti-depressants) can change someone’s affect.
I don’t know that I think this is the answer to SC’s demeanor. Not an expert, but it seems that a child abduction would fall far outside the normal everyday circumstance. I can’t imagine that a routine/daily dose of anything could actually have the strength to overcome what I think would be the “normal” reaction to your child’s potential abduction.
Regarding Sergio’s “Eyes: clear” statement:
This makes sense if works in the medical field.
In a medical assessment (SOAP–subjective, objective, assessment, plan) of a patient, during the objective, physical examination ,(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_examination) a healthcare professional will note that the patient’s eyes appear ‘clear’ to him, as opposed to cloudy; other aspects of redness, symmetry, bruising, edema, styes, etc.
@wpg says:
May 15, 2012 at 2:51 pm
So . . . either the dispatcher who updated was wrong and/or LE has redacted a portion of the 911 calls regarding Isa’s clothing description for some reason.
And to add, the 911 operator was remiss then also by not asking what color Isa’s top was?
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I read that parts of the 911 calls were redacted. I’ll try to find the link.
I found following at Scared Monkeys: Hope they dont mine:
in spanish, Latins don’t use “hazel”… we say “ojos claros” clear eyes.
Thank you Flo, please don’t be offended, this is to everyone- I would ask we all read comments before posting, even if only the last 20 on your page.
B
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gCleLbBC9yKXhELuyLiyTDff_AWw?docId=19fd3b6273b84365a73018ffdc3c1b88
O Lord!
“Didn’t leave her home alone” wth does that mean? Absolutely have to have evidence of that to say that.
B
Blink – totally off topic, but I am also a frequent reader of The Hinky Meter and it looks like valhal is selling the site. WTHeck? Know anything? I love that site too. Great writer.
And I totally think Sergio is way to calm, cool, and collected for a father of a missing daughter. Very Strange.
Carol, with much respect, I have answered this like 50 times in several threads, and frankly, as much as a fan I have been of Val’s in the past both professionally and personally, if she did not feel it important enough to alert readers, contributors and mods in advance, or even me, I do not feel fielding such requests is a good and constructive use of my time while I continue to juggle this caseload. I know she would be appreciative of everyone’s concern, and I know she would want drama to fade.
B
@wpg says:
May 15, 2012 at 4:38 pm
desertbunnee and Blink,
Oh no.
Oh please no.
Let’s hope I am wrong.
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Police: Nothing found in search of wash near D-M
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18427472/police-searching-wash-for-evidence-in-isabel-celis-case
Anyone, when Becky says she braided her hair does she specifically say at home after Isa’s return from the ballpark?
You see, I always thought SC returned home without her thinking BC brought her home–that he was just negligent & is now covering up. So I want to know if BC saw her at home.
TRuth, you’re sharp as a tack as always.
SC’s Sadistic too if he “let” SC Jr find that window
& screen deliberately, then planted abduction as the explanation.
“Someone played a part in her disappearance,”
Really? As in, someone “played” a part? Now, WTH does that mean?
And that news comes after the search of the wash park.
Blink, The feeling you said you had/have….was pretty right on…I’m afraid. I hope to God I am wrong.
Nope. That clear eyes comment creeped me out! I can’t figure out why Sergio would have used that term.
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Add http in front of links-won’t post otherwise.
Definition: Adj. 1. clear-eyed – mentally acute or penetratingly discerning; “too clear-eyed not to see what problems would follow” ://www.thefreedictionary.com/clear-eyed
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Also, an eye drop: Clear Eyes® Gels & Eye Drops – Relief for dry, red, itchy, contact ..
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Clear eyes are considered “bright and healthy”.
://www.macmillandictionary.com/thesaurus-category/british/Describing-the-appearance-of-someone-s-eyes
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Why a parent would describe a child as clear eyed is beyond me. Unless it’s a Freudian slip, trying to say his child is “healthy”, not abused or hurt or whatever?
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The other thing I wanted to put out there- has anyone ever heard eyes referred to as clear when asked the color?
B
lyla,
Thank you for the good news.
Davis-Monthan Air Force Base is ringing a bell for some reason, though.
Yes, it is. Saw that immediately.
B
The account of 6:38am, 2 men having a conversation with frantic barking dogs (with each other, not the dogs) is still bugging me.
Blink, how would LE ascertain that the neighbor is being truthful with everything?
Thank you.
My sources say she is legit and her phone checks out. It should bug you, all of us, it is a critical piece of evidence, imo.
B
Sergio saying “get your butt home” is really abusive sounding to me. My sister married an abusive man, and that is exactly how he spoke to her-and worse. Demeaning the woman in any way possible at any time–even serious and critical times. I remember it all too well.
Thankfully my sis got out of that marriage alive!
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Kris says:
May 15, 2012 at 3:08 pm
“Get your butt home” is a harsh thing to say to your wife when she’s just been told that her daughter is missing. That sounds angry, maybe even accusatory to me…….. like he is somehow blaming RC for Isabel’s disappearance.
Coupled with the “she just got home and she is hysterical” and he is cool- I can tell you that sounded odd to me
B
Marine Mama and Blink @ 6:33pm
I’ve read and search the article linked and don’t see the quote “didn’t leave her home alone.”
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gCleLbBC9yKXhELuyLiyTDff_AWw?docId=19fd3b6273b84365a73018ffdc3c1b88
Is someone in the newsroom saying “dude, you can’t write that!”?
The article keeps updating, on the third right now.
I had read early on that SC is a dental hygienist and RC is a nurse. RC has all kinds of support from her co-workers/friends at the hospital. Where does SC work? I have never seen it mentioned nor have I read anything about support from HIS co-workers. I find this odd.
Also, I have seen many people talking about Isabel sleeping with her brothers, but I haven’t actually read that in an actual article. Does anyone know where that originated? I find more info sometimes on other websites rather than our local ones.
Question for the locals: if SC was watching the Diamondbacks baseball game, would it have been a re-run at midnight as it appears on the Comcast programming? Or are there a number of other television services available?
If SC was asleep at that hour, in front of the TV, he would also have to be awake at some point, as well.
Those pillows in the trunk really bother me. I gotta say.
The other thing I’m trying to track down is where do we see SC saying that the dogs weren’t barking (opposed to the neighbor’s confirmation that they were.)
And then the FBI dogs again: it seems to me that there wouldn’t have been enough time to develop cadaverine. Other Blinkers might like this article correcting my notion that more time was needed to develop cadaverine (unless someone else died on that bed, in the past).
Even 10 minutes in contact with the recently deceased’s body can give the dogs enough olfactory material to signal an alert.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-csi-death-dogs-sniffing-out-the-truth-behind-the-crimescene-canines-835047.html
Absolutely, I have studied a case first hand that detected in 4 minutes post mortem. NOT THE NORM, I agree, but specific conditions can be present.
Also, in fairness, there are bio substances that can provide false alerts in dogs without certain double blind training certs, as well as other gaps in training.
Disclosure: I am NOT a handler, but I use their results in investigative analysis frequently if they maintain appropriate testing and certification requirements.
Good link Word Girl, thank you.
B
@wpg says:
May 15, 2012 at 7:52 pm
The account of 6:38am, 2 men having a conversation with frantic barking dogs (with each other, not the dogs) is still bugging me.
Blink, how would LE ascertain that the neighbor is being truthful with everything?
Thank you.
My sources say she is legit and her phone checks out. It should bug you, all of us, it is a critical piece of evidence, imo.
B
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Did SC claim to hear the dogs barking? I believe the neighbor gal said his dogs were barking also.
Only referring to the neighbor account.
B
Even though “clear eyes” may be referred to that way in the Celis culture, I still don’t think that’s why Sergio said it that way. It feels like a slip up to me.
From the Tucson news: http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18395759/father-to-911-she-was-abducted-from-my-house
-Dispatcher: Okay. Is she black, white, or Hispanic?
-Sergio: She’s a fair skinned Hispanic with uh, clear eyes and light brown hair.
-Dispatcher: And what do you mean by clear eyes? Like…
-Sergio: Uh, well they’re a little bit green…
-Dispatcher: Are they hazel or?
-Sergio:…green, green, hazel, sure.
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Especially this:
-Dispatcher: Are they hazel or?
-Sergio:…green, green, hazel, sure.
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“Sure” feels like saying “whatever”…like he doesn’t really want to think about that….
Sunrise in Tucson on April 21, 2012 was 5:47AM so it was daylight at 6:30AM. Would someone steal a child from their bedroom during the daylight? Would someone feel more comfortable stealing a child after her mother left for work and the father is still in the house? Would someone come back to the scene that did not live in the home to check things out in daylight? Has any one come forward saying it was me outside the window and it was because of so and so..but had nothing to do with Isabel? The statement I told my wife to get her butt home is so insensitive to Becky at a time that her world is about to fall apart. The use of abducted in the 911 call seems strange as well…stolen taken missing gone seems like something a non LE person would use…not abducted. Frankly I would be screaming for someone to help me, dear God…He never asked for someone to come, someone to help just that he was reporting a missing person.